also-manga

[ashen perch]

Like whats the better choice of exorcism here

[native cloud]

[distant vine]

Urouge? Huh?

[ashen perch]

True

[cosmic hamlet]

She can take full control back

After listening to it

[distant vine]

What if Luffy just uses COC to exorcise Imu out of her

[muted hedge]

Brook's awakening could change the tides completely

[distant vine]

Just put the Haki in the bag if we're talking about singing songs man 😭

[cosmic hamlet]

Brook will release haki through music

[distant vine]

Not Conquerors

[ashen perch]

Its kinda random but I've seen people bring that out as a possibility because he has to be relevant somehow soon. His entire theme is religious based so him being a figure that can exorcise a demonic seal out of someone could work

[ashen perch]

But I'd rather it be Brook and his fighting music, makes a lot more sense

[distant vine]

He's not coming. Even Kid has a better shot

[cosmic hamlet]

Can this thing possess another body?

[native cloud]

No, they need to cut her hand like they did with Shanks to remove the mark

[distant vine]

Are they talking about peeping on women in the bottom left panel?

[ashen perch]

I doubt that he won't do anything of significance soon

[muted hedge]

no idea

[ashen perch]

Yeah

[distant vine]

Zoro, Franky and Chopper really are the only good men on the crew huh

Usoppbros are finished. He's a Sanji disciple

[ashen perch]

Franky is a freak

[muted hedge]

possibly, but i think that Imu has a similair ability when they possess someone like Gunko here, what if it's Imu's soul entering Gunko therefor they've taken over control

and what if Brook's awakening will allow him to extract not just his own soul, but another ones as well

[native cloud]

Freaky ass mfs

[muted hedge]

so he could extract Imu's soul from Gunkos body

[cosmic hamlet]

So you saying he will extract gunko soul and place it back in the skulls after her body disintegrates?

[muted hedge]

no, i am saying he'll take away Imu from Gunkos body

if his awakening is as broken as i imagine it to be

[cosmic hamlet]

I don't mind having a female brook

[tawny kraken]

I had the idea maybe with brook's awakening he brings back the rumbar pirates, a boatload of skeletons dancing and singing sounds very one piece

[muted hedge]

and if he even awakens lol

[cosmic hamlet]

Then what happens to the contract?

[muted hedge]

assuming that it's a contract made by ones soul, i imagine that Brook possibly could break it

[distant vine]

1. Thats more cringe RevivePiece
2. Feel like the point of the flashback is the afro is the only renmant left for Laboon

[cosmic hamlet]

That would be broken as he can do it for all contracts so i doubt oda will introduce it

Unless it takes heavy burden on brook and can only do it once

[muted hedge]

i imagine that there would be a drawback to it

it's not like he would jsut be able to break the contract from the gorosei

[tawny kraken]

yea no I'm just spitballing

[native cloud]

No one is extracting anything here bro. What happened to Harald will unfold with her. Brook might have to kill her

Or someone else

[cold steppe]

It's not the same situation. In haralds case it was actually him. This is not gunko it's Imu

[iron oriole]

Gunko is still in there

[distant vine]

Ok so, with Imu's there's Domi Reversi where its the character but evil (Rocks, Harald, Dorry, Broggy & other giants) and the body control where he gets direct control (God Valley Saturn, Gunko). But it seems there's another sort of mind control he used to remove Gunko's memories and former personality, which is gone now because Brook brought up some powerful memories.

[iron oriole]

Its possible that a previous user of Puddings fruit did the messing with Gunko's memories

[distant vine]

Its possible he used some other method, like science, and thats why he just cant snap Gunko back to his side even though he still has control over her in some sense

[distant vine]

That should be permament though no?

[muted hedge]

or Imu's covenant just allows them to hide certain memories and put others on the forefront

[distant vine]

Doesnt seem like she got memories deleted, just pasted over

[iron oriole]

Maybe depends on the memory? Something extremely traumatic or whatever could probably still be brought to the surface

Maybe not remembering full details

But snippets

[muted hedge]

there's also this

[distant vine]

https://youtu.be/OMfeMShlk5A?si=PVMWNjoSo2xZxUFN

This is probably my favorite song from Film Red

[muted hedge]

so somber sweet

[iron oriole]

https://youtu.be/KKM2q4e4n1M?si=WAuSL0_nXR73b4zd

Possibly my favourite altogether

[iron oriole]

For similar vibes though, "Where the wind blows" is so good

[digital spear]

Worst book of all time

[tawny kraken]

"where the wind blows" sounds like a fart joke

[rose rune]

isn't that the nuke book/movie?

[digital spear]

Honestly no idea

[rose rune]

it is!

I have seen the old cartoon

[rose rune]

when the wind blows cover

it apparently is when and not where

[digital spear]

Now I feel bad for calling it the worst book of all time

I think I was thinking of Wind in the Willows and I dont even hate that one I was just saying random shit

[rose rune]

not really, the title is different

[muted hedge]

i've seen this one, it's so sad

[tawny kraken]

to me google said it was a hong kong movie

[grand flower]

Am I tripping

Or was there a scene where Nami went back for the artificial jewels Vegapunk had, and they were gone?

Not a scene but panels indicating so

[subtle dome]

Yes

That’s something, isn’t it?

[hallow herald]

lemme go check

[spice cairn]

Woke up

[blazing depot]

https://tenor.com/view/daniel-larson-danderson-daniellarson-i-just-roke-up-gif-2391630666906756360

[amber lark]

hi nakamaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaas!!!
any Hajrudin fans here?

I wanted to talk about favorite giants

[spice cairn]

Got my gaming pc

on a unrelated niote

[amber lark]

but don't say Loki, that's too obvious 😏

[spice cairn]

thats explaining my wrongful absence from the server yesterday

[amber lark]

oh, I see, welcomeback

[spice cairn]

[prisma yacht]

me mem mem em emem memme

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-hajrudin-hajrudin-one-piece-dressrosa-wait-gif-25228382

[amber lark]

sad

[prisma yacht]

whyy

[amber lark]

I thought it was Hajrudin in a sad or depressed pose

[prisma yacht]

ohh

hes just waiting for his time to shine #soon

[amber lark]

or also sad that there are no fans of Hajrudin 😭

[prisma yacht]

oh we are here and ready

[amber lark]

Yes, I hope so!!

[prisma yacht]

[formal wagon]

exactly

[spice cairn]

https://x.com/i/status/2023894781592535472

Neo Uma 🐈‍⬛ (@Neo__Uma)

Made another little comic since Usopp and Carrot are both great artists 😭
#ONEPIECE

X · Feb 17, 2026, 10:58 PM

[muted hedge]

sure, though it's extremely little compared to what we know of other mythical zoans

https://x.com/BoneheadBuggy/status/2024099677486862379/photo/1

Severen 🍉 (@BoneheadBuggy)

🐊💜

X · Feb 18, 2026, 12:32 PM

[verbal tiger]

I have no memory whatsoever about this scene but I'm still gonna guess york took it

[amber lark]

https://c.tenor.com/Tv_nOaupYmIAAAAd/tenor.gif

I hope to see that duo together again
fighting against a great opponent

[muted hedge]

yeah their team up was a highlight of Impel Down

[amber lark]

you know bro!

[muted hedge]

https://klipy.com/gifs/one-piece-fanart-8

[amber lark]

they made a good team, all that's left is for Buggy to level up !

[frosty hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/mem-mem-hsr-remembrance-mc-honkai-star-rail-mem-honkai-star-rail-gif-6869305969630063732

Mem mem?

[latent hamlet]

Buggy punch equal to luffy punch despite being in prison all this time

Bro got the exp level bonus

[muted hedge]

if Buggy just put his mind to it, he could probably become a great pirate on his own

that's why it's so exciting now when he seems to have gotten a new motivation boost for getting the one piece

[formal wagon]

what if buggy puts something else to it

[muted hedge]

at the end of the day, the greatest power in one piece is ambition

[formal wagon]

like his heart or nose

what might he smell if he puts his nose to it

[buoyant walrus]

or buggys special balls

[blazing depot]

No dreams

And a mother’s love

[amber lark]

peak!

[prisma yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-reaction-honest-reaction-my-honest-reaction-stare-gif-6772618130614339130

[muted hedge]

https://x.com/y5art/status/2023095252983439441/photo/1

Zoro (@y5art)

Loki
#ONEPIECE

X · Feb 15, 2026, 6:01 PM

[signal fiber]

I mean the blugori he punched got right back up and luffys didn't. But yes seeing buggy in the prison uniform was what made me pick up op again all those years ago

[grand flower]

I thought it was Caribou

[frosty hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-bunny-gif-25166815

[grand flower]

You see anything

[grand flower]

Hell yeah

[grand flower]

This reminded me of when his dad said a king “snuck him” into the reverie

[dense pike]

shrink shrink fruit confirmation? 👀

[grand flower]

https://tenor.com/view/luffy-one-piece-thinking-hmm-anime-gif-17275096

Lemony is onto something

[zinc haven]

Wsp guys

I’m new to one piece

Care to explain it to me

[graceful belfry]

Silly pirates go around beating up oppressive monarchies

👊

[prisma idol]

Isnt this already a fruit?

The non canon one given to the giants lily

[brittle basin]

Garbage series, leave before you become like us!!!!

[dense pike]

oh shoot i thought you deleted this reply 😭 i only saw the pop up and then it took me to manga chat

There, now the audience knows

[unkempt sable]

[muted hedge]

https://x.com/Rofta_55/status/2024179287470023143/photo/1

ろふた(Rofta) (@Rofta_55)

TikTok LIVE参加ありがとうございました🐾
今日のリクエストラクガキ
「みんなの推し」

X · Feb 18, 2026, 5:48 PM

[dark nymph]

look up one piece 4kids opening, basically all you need to know

[muted hedge]

https://fixupx.com/NetflixAnime/status/2024136829163733254

Netflix Anime (@NetflixAnime)

Manga readers, stand up!
︀︀ONE PIECE: INTO THE GRAND LINE
︀︀March 10.

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▶ Play video

FixupX · Feb 18, 2026, 3:00 PM

[spice cairn]

Final War matchups....

[muted hedge]

well, no

i think it's just some of the artist faves

[tranquil blade]

It's just random matchups in the form of sketches

[spice cairn]

Too late

[muted hedge]

or i don't know actually

[spice cairn]

Bon Clay vs Daz Bones is happening

[muted hedge]

the caption for it is "Everyone's fave"

[spice cairn]

Thanks Sabaku

I will now cement Bon Clay vs Daz Bones as a matchup

[muted hedge]

that would be sick

Sanji and Zoro's opponents fighting against eachother, lol

[tranquil blade]

Well it already happened didnt it

[spice cairn]

Well a teamup ye

[muted hedge]

i don't think Daz Bones vs Bon Clay has happened

[spice cairn]

Oh right during Alabasta

But that was a scuffle

[haughty saddle]

Did Zoro ever clash with Queen

[spice cairn]

So that doesn

[haughty saddle]

Onigashima is a blur

[spice cairn]

particularly count

[tranquil blade]

I think he blocked an attack from him

[haughty saddle]

Close enough for me

[muted hedge]

damn forgot all about this, lol

[tranquil blade]

Zoro and Sanji briefly clashed with the opposite opponents when they were fighting together

If Oda was goated it wouldve been a 2v2 but

I'll take what I can get

[tawny kraken]

noone remembers what bon clay did on alabasta, and that's for the better

[muted hedge]

huh?

[tawny kraken]

bon clay has done some evil stuff

[muted hedge]

he redeemed himself

[tawny kraken]

yes he did, what I meant to say is people don't remember his past, for a reason

[muted hedge]

you mean the fans or the people in the series?

[tawny kraken]

the fans, like you said, you forgot all about that fight against mr 1

[prisma yacht]

Always be crepared :3

[muted hedge]

well, i don't think i should be accounted as everyone in this case lol
there's plenty of people who remembered it, for example like Avery

[tawny kraken]

yea no I didn't mean "literally" everyone

[dense pike]

@prisma yacht I was prepared

[tawny kraken]

like this one the op chat, "we don't read our own manga"

[prisma yacht]

Lmaooo

[tawny kraken]

and idk why but recent days I keep being misunderstood and at this point im like

[muted hedge]

i mean as long as the misunderstading becomes an understanding, i wouldn't worry too much about it

[dense pike]

yeah its no use
people will do anything to misunderstood you
unless you prepare an answer for every minor detail theyre gonna pick at, theyre gonna find a way to call you wrong

[muted hedge]

i generally think that when someone uses the word "people" i take it as a majority, but it's probably differently used by everyone

either way it's nothing big

[dense pike]

Well thats what ive experienced at least

[dense pike]

i prepared that one too

[tawny kraken]

the majority of OP fans do not remember the evil bon clay did, yes

[muted hedge]

sure, probably because some of the newer ones haven't read before Wano lol
i know a lot who jumped in when gear 5 became a thing and basically gave up on reading the stuff before

mostly people who were hyped for the anime at the time, if i remember correctly

[tawny kraken]

early OP fans too, it's just been so long

[muted hedge]

yeah it's a lot to take into account, plus Bon Clay is one of the character who have changed side multiple times too, lol

[dense pike]

the problem isnt that a majority does it
its that too many people do it
I was not implying that it was the majority

[muted hedge]

oh, i meant it as a reply for what caused the misunderstaing with Lörf

[dense pike]

oh my mistake

[formal wagon]

woah the channel is alive 🥹

can we talk about neo mads

damn and its dead

[clever idol]

Hes only done it once! As much as robin!!

[subtle dome]

Always bet on Sengoku

[muted hedge]

could've sworn it was more times, but i guess i got it mixed up

[tawny kraken]

well technically, when the SH rescued him he was instantly on their side

only when he found out they're his enemies did he "switch sides"

also he kinda betrayed luffy again when he ran away when magellan poisened him

[dense pike]

id love to discuss neo mads

[prisma yacht]

Idk I feel like I missed someone's birthday

[dense pike]

What do you think theyre gonna do next Judge Jr?

[prisma yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/joe-emotiguy-emoji-picardia-rjumen-gif-14325289193163240194

[muted hedge]

i think that the Neo Mads are going to be roped in with Cross Guild

it just feels fitting

[dense pike]

I asked Judge Jr!!

-# But I agree

if Moria doesnt end up knowing how to read poneglyph (cus of that first-born son line), then i could see neo-mads being how Crossguild gets ahold of some means of translation

[dense reef]

Was queen ever captured by the Navy? Only GB visited Wano

[formal wagon]

well i think judge is going to continue his progeny engineering experiments and create is ultimate creation/son. Which he will name after himself and his egg donar. Judge Junior Ceasar (middle name) Vinsmoke. and he will be stronger than adult seraphim and queen will be there as well

[dense pike]

Yes he was captured by GB

[formal wagon]

i think they will get new members as well

[dense reef]

Then if Mads wants him, they could team up with Cross Guild for a jailbreak

[formal wagon]

mayhaps weevil will become judge junior

[dense pike]

exquisite literature

[formal wagon]

metaphorically

[dense pike]

aware

[muted hedge]

i am rooting for an Alber redemption, lol

[formal wagon]

alber is dead

but maha isn't

maha redemption is still possible

not that he needs to be redeemed

he did all he was supposed to and so much more

[muted hedge]

https://klipy.com/gifs/one-piece-kasai-no-kingu-2

let him fight alongside Nika

[formal wagon]

alber for strawhat

[dense reef]

He needs more simps

Like godDAMN

[wraith mantle]

https://x.com/i/status/1895851526179967035

mumu. ✴︎ (@mmmnmmm_)

❤️🩷❤️🩷❤️
#サンジ誕生祭2025

X · Mar 1, 2025, 3:00 PM

[formal wagon]

this reminds me of that one time

[runic dock]

“Let me join you nika , you are who my boss was waiting for after all, plus my hair is already white!”

[muted hedge]

https://klipy.com/gifs/one-piece-king-1

he could also give us some insight on the lunarians as a whole, given he is the last one

[haughty saddle]

I don’t see a world where King doesn’t show up again

It would be a really strange writing choice given how his character is constructed during the Kaido flashback

[tawny kraken]

I had my money on king joining yamato crew, since all he ever wanted was to aid joyboy, but I guess greenbull took him and queen to impel down? don't think greenbull would want to leave empty handed

[buoyant comet]

Who's maha

Is that queens real name?

[rich hornet]

The cp0

[tawny kraken]

queen's real name is scien

[buoyant comet]

Ah

The tall guy right

The one from the longleg tribe

Or is that Joseph

[rich hornet]

How are y’all pronouncing alber? All burr, or Al bear?

[buoyant comet]

I'm bad with names

[muted hedge]

All berr

[steel stirrup]

The former

[rich hornet]

I’ve been doing it too French

[vital heart]

Aloha!

[vital heart]

The romanized form is “aruberu”. Take that as you will

[formal wagon]

wait. scien as in science??????? is queen a scientist????

could this mean he joins neo mads

[rich hornet]

No he’s a dinosaur

[formal wagon]

i hope weatheria guys join neo mads

[dense reef]

Al beer

[formal wagon]

if a gorrila can be a scientist so can a dinosaur

[tawny kraken]

edowado nyugeto ahh

[formal wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/winston-overwatch-no-gif-12721131963828725246

does anyone have the gif of winston bubble strafing?

[rich hornet]

Yeah I can’t trust the Japanese for anything. If you asked them, my name is banobaa

[tawny kraken]

https://tenor.com/view/pootis-gif-17870880483466695137

[hot cairn]

you’re back?

[formal wagon]

never seen this guy

[hot cairn]

is this your new bit?

[formal wagon]

yes stop

[hot cairn]

LOL

[tawny kraken]

https://tenor.com/view/tf2-team-fortress-2-heavy-breathing-gun-gif-13299523985510910761

[muted hedge]

oh, that is mailbox?

lol

[steel stirrup]

Bruh I didnt even realize that was mailbox

[graceful belfry]

I knew it was mailbox

I tapped on the Gash Bell icon and found out

[spice cairn]

Mailbox changes every month

[frigid gulch]

Mailbit

[muted hedge]

i liked their digimon era

[graceful belfry]

The Etemon pfp was iconic…

[dense haven]

break week over yet?

[spice cairn]

No

[dense haven]

how about now?

[grand flower]

You can take a break whenever you want

Longer than a week too

[muted hedge]

wonder when the foreboding sbs question about Hibari being Akainu's daughter will come

[hot cairn]

https://x.com/Corarima1/status/2024106259859812544?s=20

Cora 𒌐 -comms open- (@Corarima1)

I really like St. Sommers

X · Feb 18, 2026, 12:58 PM

[grand flower]

Sommers is a great villain

[formal wagon]

GOT 2

[dapper tree]

Sommers dies in 6 chapters

[formal wagon]

the etemon pfps are still my go to though thats my non server pfp still

in 2027 or when i run out of bits ill go back to etemon

or etemon likes

maybe chuumon actually

[dapper tree]

Mailbox

How could you

[formal wagon]

how could i what

[dapper tree]

Betray etamon

[formal wagon]

im getting deja vu

[dapper tree]

[formal wagon]

i would never betray my goat though

OH actually theres a live action etemon i should put in my pfp folder

[clever idol]

The thorn snake is fun

Hes got a good fruit

He wouldvd been a good early post main villain minus the regen

[muted hedge]

Gunko and Sommers both have very clever paramecias

[tough igloo]

agree , moreso Gunko

[dapper tree]

Hacks paramecias

[tough igloo]

Sommers DF seems pretty simple

[prisma idol]

Why is your name in a special font

[dapper tree]

He's a cool guy

[tough igloo]

Gunko DF seems tricky to deal with even if your stronger than her whereas Sommers DF you can just physically overcome it

[frail kindle]

shut up pasta

[muted hedge]

i think part of it is also that Gunko is generally probably a better combatant than Sommers, given Sommers enjoys the kick on the ones who already are laying down

[formal wagon]

it felt the most vinsmokey

[dapper tree]

HUH

[formal wagon]

actually the digital font might be better because of science

actually no this is the one

[tough igloo]

i wonder if Shamrock DF will have any special/tricky abilities or its just gonna be that it can split his sword into 3 crazy dogs lol

[frail kindle]

idk I just felt like saying something random

[formal wagon]

i bet they're all gonna be hakimen with df swords

[dapper tree]

[muted hedge]

i think Shamrock will have a fruit of his own, seperate from Cerberus
similair to the dynamic of Loki and Ragnir

[formal wagon]

HIPPOCAMPUS GARLING INCOMING

[tough igloo]

I can see that , not including Garling

[dense haven]

garling vs dragon will be the best fight in all of fiction

[dapper tree]

OK sb

[tough igloo]

i can see that but i can also see oda going the route of the only people who using 2 DFs are Rocks & Harald kids

[dapper tree]

Calm down

[dapper tree]

One of them is one shotting the other

[brittle basin]

Garling doing anything useful in the end game will be Big News.

[tough igloo]

Garling getting a actual impressive feat against someone who’s strong will be Big News for him lol

[muted hedge]

i just have a vision that Shamrock would have a bone paramecia, lol

[tough igloo]

bro lost while jumping somebody who was carrying his wife and child lol he gotta a lot to prove

[brittle basin]

Can Garling coat his hair with haki and stab someone with it?

[tough igloo]

lol probably

when vergo went full body i think his hair was included

sadly it didn’t work for him

[brittle basin]

Well, to be fair, Rocks unlocked his Fatherly-Husbandly Instinct Haki™ at God Valley.

[muted hedge]

i think that Garling won't have conquerors haki, unlike his two sons

[tough igloo]

if it was 1v1 i would accept that excuse for garling lol but it was 15v1 and 90% of the 15 were rocks family lol

[muted hedge]

Shamrock and Shanks having it yet Garling not, would be pretty on point when you consider their mother being the special figure for their promise and rise

[tough igloo]

Garling couldn’t of had a bigger advantage lol

[formal wagon]

Shanks has a sword named Griffin , which is a mythical animal tied to Jupiter/ Zeus. Shamrock has the Cerberus sword which is tied to Pluto/ Hades, so i think Garling will either have a hippocampus sword, which is an animal tied to Neptune/ Poseidon or his devil fruit will be one of the creepy scary titan mosters that are tied with Chronos/ idk what the romans called him

[tough igloo]

realistically there hasn’t been a gorosei who doesn’t have CoC so I can’t see Oda starting it with Shanks pops

[formal wagon]

because chronos is their father

[frigid gulch]

Love Haki ?

[brittle basin]

That's Sanji

[tough igloo]

even though i hate garling , im confident he’ll have CoC cause at the end of the day he is a gorosei now and they all have it

[brittle basin]

https://tenor.com/view/huey-lewis-and-the-news-the-power-of-love-back-to-the-future-1985-gif-10085259

[formal wagon]

since he's a gorosei now its probably the latter idea

[muted hedge]

i am confident that Garling's form will be that of Typhon

[frigid gulch]

Would be funny if Imu loans the Gorosei it

[tough igloo]

lol at that point their stocks are completely cooked

they already took a hit this arc when oda revealed imu contract gives them a. insane power boost lol

[frigid gulch]

I mean how much worse can it get

[vital heart]

Aloha!

[tough igloo]

we thought they were this strong on their own before elbaf lol

[frigid gulch]

A significant chunk of their power is def due to contracts

[tough igloo]

now we find out no it’s only cause of imu lol

[dapper tree]

Without out that power boost they actually really jobbers

[muted hedge]

please Oda give Garling the Typhon form

[brittle basin]

Look. Look, brother. I know you quit and all. But, like,.....chapter?

[dapper tree]

Jack sweep

[tough igloo]

legit tobi roppo smh and that’s being generous

[prisma idol]

jack? more like Lack

[prisma idol]

Died witha hole in his gut

[tough igloo]

Ulti was clashing with G4 Luffy without a imu power boost lol most HKs with the power boost probably can barely do that

[brittle basin]

smh that's ace bluko

[dapper tree]

Rip my boy

A bunch of bums those holy knights

[formal wagon]

oh shit 😭

Cronus was also identified in classical antiquity with the Roman deity Saturn.
he'll probably have a cronus related fruit for sure then

[dark nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/push-knocked-over-ouch-it-hurts-falling-baby-elephant-gif-16015842

[muted hedge]

how mean

[prisma idol]

Sorry, I always forget the worst brother of ASL

[formal wagon]

all of them suck

besides that ace guy

worst flashback in the story

[prisma idol]

Ace sucks

Sabo better

[formal wagon]

are you sure

[prisma idol]

yes

[formal wagon]

are you positive

[prisma idol]

yep

[formal wagon]

hmmmm

[tawny kraken]

but what if ace blows?

[formal wagon]

he sure blew it thaat one time

[grand flower]

@hot cairn @ashen perch @stone tulip @alpine trench

A paradigm that interacting with this chat, primarily, has helped me settle on is that there’s a difference between “criticism” and “complaining.”

A criticism evaluates why the story doesn’t work fundamentally. It evaluates what it’s doing and is able to demonstrate why what it’s doing doesnt work. It remains true regardless of subjective or personal perspective

A complaint on the other hand is the complete reverse. It’s something personal or subjective, and that means that patching it doesnt necessarily make the story actually better. It doesn’t address the relationship between “what author is trying to do” and “what the author actually did.”

An analogy, if someone makes you a sandwich and you say “the amount of mustard overtakes the flavor of everything else” vs “I don’t like hoagies.” The latter is a criticism because it’s constructive to making that sandwich period. The latter is just a complaint because it does nothing to inform the person of how to make a better hoagie, or what they did right. It’s just “this should be a different sandwich altogether”

An example with storytelling, if someone is writing a story where the point is supposed to be “love is more rewarding than hate,” but the main character is rewarded for acts of violence and characters who choose peace are punished, pointing that out would be a criticism because it doesn’t matter how you feel about it, that’s a plot that inherently doesn’t work

VS if someone said “love being the winning emotion is lame.” That’s not a criticism, it’s just complaining because there’s nothing about that that actually says how to make the story better

[tawny kraken]

holy git down mrs pwesident

[grand flower]

I guess my main conclusion would be that criticism is inherently constructive on a general level and that “constructive criticism” is a redundant term

[clever idol]

Ok but what about the phrase "unnecessary redundant term"

What about that huh

[vital heart]

Aloha!

[grand flower]

Oh also, that responses to storytelling that boil down down to “this should have just been a different story” are complaints

[stone tulip]

Shuron is this about power of love complaining ?

[grand flower]

If you aren’t fixing the plot line presented but turning it into another one, you’re complaining

[grand flower]

Nah

I was moreso thinking about how

[vital heart]

@grand flower

What was your name pre-Shuron Hakke?

[grand flower]

Every time I see complaints about OP, they tend to rely on either misrepresenting the story entirely

[glacial bear]

PEAK

[tranquil blade]

Well tbh constructive criticism to me was always having critiques about something but providing alternatives and ways said work being criticized could be improved

[glacial bear]

TRUEEEE

[grand flower]

Or it’s just a subjective thing

[vital heart]

We dont care about criticism

[grand flower]

As in, purely subjective

[vital heart]

You need to live your life

[tranquil blade]

Most criticism doesnt actually suggest a method of improvement

[grand flower]

Struggle Messages

[grand flower]

I think that’s the flaw

[vital heart]

As a narcissist.

Fuck critique

[tranquil blade]

It just says what they believe to be wrong without explaining what could be changed to make it better

[vital heart]

I am the most important person in this server

Easily

[grand flower]

Criticism inherently needs it because criticism requires you to point out why the thing isn’t working

[stone tulip]

If that’s the case then yeah I agree and this is huge problem with the fandom especially I regards to gear 5 as a whole

[vital heart]

I am the protagonist

I am the MC

[grand flower]

Oh I forgot to finish that thought

[vital heart]

I am the pirate king of the OP server

GOOD BYE

[grand flower]

The way damn near every major critique of OP I see is a misrepresentation of what’s happening in the story

Has only cemented in my mind even further that OP is one of the masterpieces

I’ve noticed relatively recently, people forget those exist and think, for some reason, that a story being fundamentally flawed is a foregone conclusion

As though you MUST find where it doesn’t do well

People have lost sight that every now and then we get one that just does all of what it’s doint well

[stone tulip]

Yeah it always happens or how the fans expectation is way too high that they expect something out of certain characters that does suit them anymore or want it to happen immediately without a proper build up to it (Usopp and Elbaf)

[grand flower]

The expectation thing is the worst because they’re so hyper specific

[grand flower]

People who think they’ve absolutely figured out where things are going, or believe that a beat or plot line has to follow certain trajectories

[vital heart]

@tranquil blade

why does this server think I'm a bum

[grand flower]

I hate that mindset

[vital heart]

A new bum

Why?

[grand flower]

Nigga make my shit Japanese for the SBS

[tranquil blade]

Well

[grand flower]

Before I get mad

Not asking again

[vital heart]

You didnt give me the full prompt you mother fucker

[grand flower]

Yes I did

[vital heart]

No

[grand flower]

That was the full question

How you gon tell me

[vital heart]

Have you literally never read an sbs in your life?

[grand flower]

SBS for you bouta stand for somebody boutaget smacked

[stone tulip]

Yeah and it always default to something that it isn’t about the character at all, like for example they expect Usopp to wield a hammer let alone Ragnir when that no longer makes sense, and then eventually would end up being mad at Oda for not doing something that he never even set up for.

[grand flower]

Tbh in terms of discourse that’s completely fine

Like just pointing out how a story doesn’t work is enough for a conversation, I think I got too academic-minded

[grand flower]

I wouldn’t count something like that out because Oda is a big utilizer of reincorporation, especially after giving motifs a break for a while

[prisma idol]

You are

[grand flower]

However, if Usopp doesnt wield Ragnir that would be a complaint

Somebody would have to describe how the themes or plot of Elbaph, OP, or Usopp himself don’t work because he didn’t wield it

For it to be an actual criticism

[stone tulip]

Or how it’s opposite where they ignore the actual set up by being in denial because they don’t like that set up only for it to happen so they complain about how it’s “bad writing” when it’s a case of never paying attention of the story, like that’s something that would eventually happen with stuff like Sanji getting conquerors or Vivi rejoins the crew.

[grand flower]

This actually makes me realize

Another flaw people make with criticism

Well we kinda touched on this

But it’s not JUST “the story requires ABC to work”

People do that with Zoro in Wano for example

Criticism has to start from “the story requires itself to NOT have ABC”

[stone tulip]

I mean sure but not everything gets reincorporated so I wouldn’t be surprised if he doesn’t wield a hammer for example

[grand flower]

Yeah that’s exactly true

It could be brought back, some things also just aren’t brought back

[stone tulip]

Exactly

[stone tulip]

Yeah I imagine Wano Zoro was a shit show

Especially from his haters

When he got conquerors Haki

[grand flower]

I thought for the longest he wasn’t gonna have it

Even when Kaido said “don’t tell me you can use it,” I thought it was something else because it made sense to me Kaido would know Hao when he felt it

When it happened, I took the approach of

[tranquil blade]

I didnt think he was gonna have it but when 1010 I was sold

[grand flower]

Okay why is it happening here? Why against King? Why this way?

And the story of Zoro and his Wano heritage clicked for me

[tranquil blade]

but people were still denying it post 1010 saying like "Well Kaido could just be wrong lol" but like why would he say that in a chapter about conquerors haki just to be wrong

[grand flower]

Too many people instead refuse to engage with what’s happening

[grand flower]

I thought it could have been a red herring

And that it was an Armament thing

The swerve being you think the title was about Zoro but then Luffy pops back up and surprises us like he’s surprising Kaido

“Nah it’s actually about me”

Subsequently it’s clear it’s both of them

[grand flower]

I won’t say their name so it doesn’t sound like calling out

But I think having that convo with someone who critiqued Ray/Shakky because “we didn’t see how they met or why they love each other” helped me really solidify this paradigm

[tranquil blade]

I think part of why I was so sure was Luffy saying his armament didnt go deep enough to beat Kaido, and then him using conquerors haki which made me think about how the one attack Zoro did that scarred Kaido was an attack that Kaido felt conquerors haki from

[grand flower]

I remember thinking “that’s not a critique of this story, that’s just a different one”

I think the less you’re breaking down the story in question and the more you’re talking about another one, the more likely your criticism is actually just a complaint

[grand flower]

Yeah it makes way more sense

At that time, I forgot the devil didnt need advocates

[dark nymph]

truth nuke

[clever idol]

That's one of the things ive also noticed in some convos is that theres not enough consideration for author's intent

[grand flower]

Tbh

I think people are becoming less capable of it

I memed it but Jay D Legend saying something is bad storytelling if it’s communicated by subtext is like

Sheesh

If he wasn’t older than me I’d ask what are the schools doing

[hallow herald]

ngl i got distracted

[grand flower]

Probably a consequence in how much anti-intellectual shit is going around. Metacognition is being fucked

People are being less and less encouraged to see evaluating and scrutinizing their own thoughts as a good thing

[grand flower]

It be like that

[hallow herald]

hyd tho twin

[clever idol]

What gets me is this is the same kind of person that would say "its not that hard to understand it's a children's story" and then show they dont understand

[clever idol]

I really do think it also has to do with how so many people aproach one piece as something that's not worthy of a certain level analysis because they only view it through the lense of being a battle manga

The lack of consideration of subtext tends to be a symptom of that plus one piece being very over the top sometimes with oda trying to get the point across and some readers leading with the assumption that oda always writes the story in this way.

[grand flower]

lol yeah people misunderstand what that means too

[grand flower]

Tired mane

Today is our early day at work

[hallow herald]

booooo

[grand flower]

We go in two hours early but leave early too but i gotta get up at 5

[hallow herald]

fuck j*b

[hallow herald]

wack

[grand flower]

I agree but money tho

[grand flower]

Yeah that’s true too

Video essays becoming such a big “genre” too

I think of that RedLetterMedia quote where they say you may not have noticed it, but your brain did

I feel like the worse state of analysis is something like that. A lot of people don’t realize what their brain is missing

[leaden rivet]

It’s a symptom of one piece theorists I feel. When people feel strong about a theory they work to deny anything that can contradict it, as well are shooting shit in the air to see if it lands anywhere.

[tidal ice]

people generally dislike being wrong

[scenic dirge]

Not me

If im right, it means Oda is washed

[grand flower]

Yeah I think that’s the root of all this actually

People want to be correct, or hear “you changed my mind”

Somewhere along the line the exercise stopped being “let me think about others’ ideas so I can see if mine hold up or if I need to adjust or discard em”

Very important to think about the way you think

[leaden rivet]

Especially about something they’re so passionate about

At that point, especially if they’re heavily passionate about debating a specific topic any discussion is pointless

Because it quickly becomes listening to respond not to understand

[grand flower]

People think long debates are non-constructive because their idea of constructive has become “tell me I’m right”

[ornate tartan]

true

[clever idol]

What we know is inherently tied to who we are. You can see that in the language we use. "I am wrong" vs "what i know is wrong" so it makes sense it can be touchy

[hot cairn]

I think discussing OP has turned into "I dont like this" "I dont want this" rather than actual critiques of the story

[hot cairn]

that was ridicoulus lol

[grand flower]

Yeah there’s a fine line between em

A space for both

But a fine line

[hot cairn]

that Dragon and Garp interaction is one of the best parts of the flashback

[leaden rivet]

[grand flower]

People should feel more compelled to go

“I just didn’t like that shit”

Without feeling the need to justify it as “story bad”

[leaden rivet]

Are you referring to the prison scene Jesùs

[grand flower]

I feel like those are two different things and it frustrates me as someone who loves breaking down stories to see that

I remember having to read books in school where I was like

Dawg I do not like this shit

[leaden rivet]

Because I’m a bit confused if you are

[grand flower]

But I still acknowledged what it was doing

[clever idol]

I think a lot of it also stems from readers wanting more from the series in general cuz we r just so used to getting so much content

[leaden rivet]

Because like whole the entire flashback just wasn’t that good to begin with, that scene was particularly dull.

[grand flower]

“Solid theme, didnt care tho”

[grand flower]

I was thinking about this the other day

With characters specifically

[clever idol]

Like my god if op was food we would be fatter than luffy is when hes full and just as greedy

[hot cairn]

yeah, Jay D Legend claimed how using subtext in that scene specifically is bad storytelling

[grand flower]

When people say “I don’t like Raizo, Oda should have cut the scabbards”

[ornate tartan]

that’s a good point
there might be some times where u just don’t like something just because

[hot cairn]

which is completely insane

[grand flower]

Like, on one hand

It make sense to go “I want more of the guy I want”

[leaden rivet]

I didn’t watch the video you’re referring to, but there’s nothing wrong with that statement

[grand flower]

But it’s kinda funny how when people talk about “reducing bloat by cutting characters”

[clever idol]

Its so funny cuz my response to that is give them even more panel time

[grand flower]

They never think

Who said the ones YOU like wouldn’t be cut

There’s SOMEBODY out there that likes smoothie

[clever idol]

Several

[grand flower]

Who said it’s gon be Raizo and not Smoker

[hot cairn]

how is that bad storytelling?

[hot cairn]

many people here do

[clever idol]

I think its the scene with garp and dragon was fine

[leaden rivet]

Because I think there are times where subtext is best, and times where it isn’t. I think that scene would’ve benefitted more with being more direct and much more extended. For the past 1000 chapters we know nothing of what these people are like.

[clever idol]

It conveyed exactly what it needed to about their relationship. Clearly they didnt say much to each other to begin with

[grand flower]

Yeah it’s just funny how people talk about “bloat”(not actually a real thing in OP) as though the solution is cull the roster

[leaden rivet]

We knew that Garp endeavors in the navy despite hating the celestial dragons, and we have a scene where his son confronts him about it, so it’s something the readers have waited for for a while

[clever idol]

I disagree with the last statement we know a decent amount about both of them to understand their motives and ideologies

[grand flower]

That scene is so good because of subtext

[leaden rivet]

But in the scene itself Garp doesn’t explain anything to his distraught teenager, he accepts the verbal trashing and that’s it.

[clever idol]

To me thats realistic

[grand flower]

Garp accepting Dragon leaving AND dragon saying he hates him are both things that take on a lot of meaning because of what we already know

[clever idol]

Bcuz garp is so ashamed he cant say anything to defend himself

[leaden rivet]

Im referring more to their personal relationship. But even then, Garp’s and dragons ideologies aren’t full explained to that point.

[clever idol]

He knows his son is right

[grand flower]

For example, Garp being accepting of Dragon leaving is surprising because of what we’ve seen of him adamantly pushing Luffy and Ace

[hot cairn]

that whole scene explains everything we need to know about their dynamic without dropping us exposition. We're 100% getting more in the future anyway.

[leaden rivet]

I think there could have been several realistic responses to Dragon’s argument, and Oda chose the worst

[grand flower]

Subtext works just fine because the opposite of subtext woukd be showing us a flash of Garp pushing Ace and Luffy to be Marines to say “THIS IS CONTRASTING THAT”

Subtext works fine for Garp accepting Dragons hate because we already know about what happened with Ace

[clever idol]

I would argue given what we know of them this was the most relatable to me personally

[grand flower]

Knowing Dragon told Garp “I hate you” adds to Garp feeling guilty about leaving Ace to his faith

Also adds to what Garp must be feeling with Kuzan leaving

[leaden rivet]

Would there be an issue with exposition here?

[grand flower]

Subtext works fine becausw

Again

[leaden rivet]

I don’t see any reason to take a minimalist approach at this point

[grand flower]

We don’t need the story to TELL us to make these comparisons

[leaden rivet]

Especially with how everything has been built up so far.

[grand flower]

We’re smart enough to remember those scenes and do it ourselves

The opposite of subtext is just straight up being told what to think

Being told what the takeaway should be

[leaden rivet]

You’re saying Jesùs that it told us enough, but why is enough enough? Dragon as a character doesn’t do much up until this point, so it would’ve been a perfect time to flesh out his own ideology.

[grand flower]

A scene like Garp and Dragon is engaging because it leaves you to make those comparisons yourself

[hot cairn]

not really honestly, but I think it works far better having Garp being stubborn about it and Dragon filled with hate because of what he went through. It speaks more about their characters than any exposition could give us. I expect to see them interact in the future.

[grand flower]

The less the writing tells you what to think

The more you’re thinking yourself

Or at least, supposed to be

Nowadays people don’t do that

[leaden rivet]

I don’t think the scene genuinely adds much to these characters at all. Them actually having a real discussion for the first time in the series about why Garp thinks he can change it on the inside vs Dragon thinking working for them is incomprehensible is necessary

This flashback is dragons origin story pretty much

[grand flower]

WHY are we being shown, of all possible things, Dragon resigning

[hot cairn]

maybe Oda decided it wasnt the best time to explore it, but it was the best time to show us their dynamic after a traumatic event

[grand flower]

Maybe instead of complaining that little is said

Think a little about, when has that been something in Garp’s character before

When has Garp dealt with a mentee-figure leaving

And once you identify that, what can you see in common with these two relationships

What’s different

That’s what you’re supposed to do with subtext

Oda could have written them talking about Me Valley in any context

[leaden rivet]

Yea and it’s where our disagreement comes in i suppose. Because it’s the perfect time to show what each others justice means to each other. Especially since they’re making a great split and leaving after this.

It’s a waste.

[grand flower]

It could have just been Dragon saying “did you know about this”

Something else

The shorter a scene

The less varied the dialogue

Tje more it’s telling you what to laser focus on to get the point

[leaden rivet]

It’s something that’s disappointing to me also because I consider Garp the best written character of the series

[grand flower]

Little is said between Garp and dragon becausw more would be either distraction, or less engaging becausw

[leaden rivet]

So it’s like skipping what could’ve been a crucial character moment and taking the most minimalist approach possible

[grand flower]

Well why think about the scene yourself then

It just told you what to think after all

[leaden rivet]

Often times in response to one piece criticisms, people often say, “it could happen later” and I always find these particular arguments especially weak , especially if the criticism is based on a specific timing

[grand flower]

That’s the flaw with Jay’s reasoning

[leaden rivet]

Like imagine if Luffy and Usopp’s big argument in water 7 took the minimalist approach instead of then getting everything out of their system

[grand flower]

Another reason subtext favors that scene

Garp’s brief response gives the impression of a parent who understands his very emotional teenage son is lashing out

Which feeds into knowing, Garp told Luffy he spoke to Dragon at Water 7

It’s engaging storytelling becausw you’re able to put together yourself

Oh yeah they spoke later in laugh

Dragon left Luffy with Garp

Makes sense since

[grand flower]

.

[hot cairn]

I understand wanting more from the encounter, many people (like me) were excited about their eventual talk. But I still think we'll get it eventually. I think Oda just wanted to show us where exactly does Dragon come from and where Garp thinks he's going

[grand flower]

Oda could have just EXPOSITED that

But not doing so means, say it with me now

You had to think about it yourself

You had to remember previous scenes

[spice cairn]

I think its also because Garp knew he couldn't convince Dragon either way. He has seen the dirty part of a righteous system he wanted to partake in.

[grand flower]

Yeah that’s another thing

Following the scene where Garp told Sengoku, passionately, he’s staying

Contrast that passion with how resigned Garp is to Dragon leaving

AND the passion Garp displays in telling Luffy and Ace they will be marines

[leaden rivet]

I don’t think any time after this can really hit like it would’ve at this point in time. And I doubt we’ll really get any scene of them explaining their values at this point.

[grand flower]

It turns that resigned response into

[hot cairn]

I'm one of the people who always drops this line honestly, but One Piece is a story that always builts upon itself and Oda likes to be a tease. He knows exactly what things the readers want to see. And this long journey isnt over just yet, and I dont think Oda will just ignore one of the most important dynamics in the story like that. He just gave us a bite.

[grand flower]

Garp KNOWS that dragon is in part correct

[leaden rivet]

Garp instead gave his explanation to Roger instead of his own son. So silly.

[spice cairn]

Garp is the guy holding on in hopes the system gets better vs his son and his closest pupil, who would rather completely defect to cause meaningful progress in their own way.

[grand flower]

Garp not fighting Dragon on it allows us to go oh

Garp KNOWS that his decision to stay is flawed

[spice cairn]

But I personally side with Kuzan/Dragon.

[grand flower]

He KNOWS there’s valid reasoning to abandon the Navy

That highlights his conviction

The fact that he knows that and stays

[hot cairn]

this is how Oda operates basically

[grand flower]

It being subtext makes this fun to talk to and think about

[leaden rivet]

Well we’ll see. But I doubt it at this point.

[grand flower]

Becausw it gives us the chance to share ideas

[leaden rivet]

Many a times did people say this and in the end it never meant anything

[grand flower]

If Garp just exposited that to Dragon, it wouldn’t as engaging

We wouldn’t be figuring it out by looking at Garp’s previous scenes

[hot cairn]

yep

[grand flower]

We would just be told it and have that much less to talk about

[leaden rivet]

And if Oda never actually has any such conversation like this in the future? What will you say then Jesùs?

[grand flower]

“Yup that sure is what Garp said”

[hot cairn]

I will have some critiques for Mister Oda, but I really dont see it happening because we're 100% getting a Dragon flashback eventually

this was just the start

I view OP as having lots of potential for many storylines

I critique them when they end

I like giving the writer the chance to tell the whole story

[grand flower]

It’s really funny to insinuate that the only way Oda could deliver to us dragon and Garp’s values is that specific scene where they spoke to each other

[hot cairn]

before anything

[grand flower]

You know what’s a trick I love

[spice cairn]

I think this exists to plant the seeds for it later, yeah. I think the short conservation stems from Garp realizing his son is not going to really change his opinion after such a traumatic event.

[grand flower]

When a atory has two characters talking about the same subject

But in two different locations

You cut back and forth between em to contrast and compare what they’re saying

[leaden rivet]

I think by the end, many of the “it could happen later” scenes will just never happen at all. And people will realize it by the end.

[spice cairn]

However, I do wish his pov was a lot longer and not crammed into Rock's portion of GV.

[grand flower]

Oda could literally do something like pay off that tease with a more fun idea like this

[leaden rivet]

He didn’t need to try to change his mind, but he could at least explain his own motives

[spice cairn]

If it doesn't then itll be completely bad writing. But im holding off on it by virtue of Oda constantly teasing stuff like this.

[grand flower]

Oda could draw a future scene where Garp explains to Koby why he stayed

Ans dragon explains to Sabo why he left

Cut them together

But nah it could have only been THAT scene

I’m pretty sure Oda used that framing device in whole cake

[leaden rivet]

At that point then, why is a scene that could potentially never happen a response to a critique?

[grand flower]

Didnt two concurrent scenes converge with Sanji and Luffy both saying “we’re gonna win”

[spice cairn]

Dragon wouldn't had listened regardless. Fairly sure nobody would be convinced aftet allowing something like this to happen with someone deep in the marine complex like Garp is.

[leaden rivet]

He didn’t need to listen at that point

Only hear the words

He can listen to them later

[grand flower]

Advocating for why it had to be that scene

[spice cairn]

He's already made his bed with leading a rebellion.

[grand flower]

And not later

By saying the words can matter to Dragon…later

[leaden rivet]

Well this is just years before Wily

[grand flower]

In other words

Dragon can also just hear them later lol

If they’re not going to matter to dragon in that scene then there isn’t a reason it should have been that scene

That makes it just something Oda could have done

[spice cairn]

I think this interaction could've been a lot more in depth but im sure Oda is planting the seeds with how the dynamic and his resolve when Dragon gets the front seat in the future.

I doubt Oda will skim over it but he has a poor habit of doing stuff like this and sandbagging.

[grand flower]

Not being in depth didn’t stop it from having depth fr fr

[spice cairn]

But I think introducing this during God Valley is a good way for it to Segway into Dragon.

[leaden rivet]

Like I mentioned with Jesus, this could be the case, but I dint think any point after this hits nearly as hard.

[grand flower]

The fact that you can draw relevancy to Water 7, Marineford, and Egghead from JUST that exchange shows that

[leaden rivet]

I do like dragon’s but if the flashback at least most of it

[grand flower]

Three vastly different plot lines for Garp

[leaden rivet]

It was the only thing I liked about rhis flashback

[spice cairn]

The only issue I have with it is was it was crammed into Rock's pov or the "general" pov of GV

Rather than it being its own meaningful Dragon pov.

The concept of introducing it is fine but this goes back to why I hate the Rocks part of Loki's flashback

[leaden rivet]

I don’t actually think that’s a problem at all

[grand flower]

Marx you forgot

Dragon has reason to come to Elbaph

[leaden rivet]

I think it works better that Dragon is kind of a side to this as he is a foot soldier

[grand flower]

Even better than egghead

More time too

[leaden rivet]

Rocks I think was maybe a little too relevant

[grand flower]

[leaden rivet]

And his time in the story definitely should be greatly decreased

[spice cairn]

Which is fine. But there could've been time to at least have a bit more milage with it.

[grand flower]

Also remember

[spice cairn]

But like I said, I have faith in its relevance being elaborated later.

[grand flower]

Dragon goes from the freedom fighters to the Revos

Meeting luffys mom

Dragon has way more backstory

This is a tangent but I really like that Dragon isn’t motivated by le murdered wife or whatever people were theorizing

[leaden rivet]

For me, often times faith ends up in disappointment. So I prefer to take as it is, as it’s unlikely that Oda does anything with it.

[grand flower]

It was as simple as “I saw the CDs in action and decided that shit gotta stop”

[spice cairn]

Well if thats true then im not really afraid to criticize Oda.

But some people said the same thing with the Bonney and Kuma connection that was established like a decade or so ago

[leaden rivet]

People should be more open to criticizing Oda

[spice cairn]

And here we are now.

[leaden rivet]

He is imperfect

[dense haven]

bro fighting ghosts

[grand flower]

Oh dude Oda doomers arent going off any like

Actual reason

It’s pure emotion

Alvida is a Yonko commander

[leaden rivet]

I honestly never seen anyone say that also lol

[grand flower]

I’m supposed to believe he’s abandoning set up? Lolol

The dude that brought back Alvida is gonna abandon stuff about Dragon yeah mkay makes sense

[dense haven]

kumas background was one of the most anticipated things in the series

[spice cairn]

I have never seen someone say it so therefore you are completely crazy.

[leaden rivet]

Well I didn’t call you crazy.

[dense haven]

so many people thought bonney was his mom instead

[leaden rivet]

I didn’t say it never happened either.

[dense haven]

lots of theories around those two

[brittle basin]

.....i did

[spice cairn]

Im talking moreso with Spice.

[leaden rivet]

But I’ve been in the onepiece community for a while and never seen people say it

[grand flower]

Oda made up that carpenter on the fly

To explain a broken door in chapter 1

Like 900 chapters later

[brittle basin]

what is this about?

[grand flower]

“Yeah that dude was from Wano also here’s his fuckin brother”

But yeah

That’s the guy who deserves no “itll come later” faith

[spice cairn]

Anyways what I said doesnt subtract from my point

If he does elaborate on it, then cool.

[leaden rivet]

If he doesn’t he’s a hack

[spice cairn]

But if he doesn't I think itll be a very big point of contention I have with him and how he sandbags characters

[grand flower]

See the problem with entertaining this idea

[spice cairn]

But idt doing this now was a bad thing at all.

[leaden rivet]

Oda’a greatest strength in character writing is backstories. So for him to fumble the end of Dragons is both surprising and not surprising

[grand flower]

Is that just by virtue of finding out what went into dragon forming the Revos

And what Garp thinks will become of the CDs, the Navy and the world long term

[ruby moat]

That wasn’t rly dragons backstory tho he was a side character in someone else’s backstory

[grand flower]

Will give you exactly what them arguing about it would give you

[brittle basin]

That was Dragon's context

[grand flower]

This is guaranteed to happen

And we already have Garp telling Sengoku

[leaden rivet]

But still his backstory as it details his origins

But not HIS backstory

[grand flower]

“Someone has to be here to protect the bottom of the mountain”

[ruby moat]

I’m sure we’ll get a more dedicated dragon backstory

[wraith mantle]

someone needs to protect those who cannot protect themselves 🔥

[grand flower]

Atp literally all that would be left to do

Is think lol

“I know what dragon thinks and I know what Garp thinks but how will I know the difference if they don’t talk about it” like cmon

[leaden rivet]

Like the celestial dragon slaves and not the marines that were killing them 💀

[grand flower]

Not having them just talk about it gives Oda the chance to illustrate their mindsets thru the course of the arc

Communication of a character’s motivation in OP mostly comes from actions and decisions

Not exposition

[ornate tartan]

one piece new volume cover will be shown in a few days

[grand flower]

Exposition tends to be either very raw emotions, or flowery language to encourage deeper thought

[leaden rivet]

It’s a bit disappointing that that was Garp’s reasoning, but it’s not anything heinous, the worst part was him telling that to Roger but not his son.

But he’s still better than most I suppose

[grand flower]

I’m trying to think of a time where dialogue alone painted the full picture of a character

Without need to look at other scenes to make meaning

I think something Oda thankfully and kinda obviously understands is a long-term story that isn’t just random BS happening over and over needa to be piecemeal

Think reading 1200 chapters of a story that’s been fragmented in its delivery the entire time and going “this flashback doesnt hit because there’s no way to deliver this story over parts” is wild

[severe violet]

yo anyone knows what they meant by that

did that alr happen or will it stil lhappen

[buoyant comet]

Final war battle

[severe violet]

or am i sped

[tranquil blade]

What they are alluding to there hasn't happened yet

[buoyant comet]

Not yet

[fallen meteor]

hasnt happened yet

[severe violet]

aight so foreshadow

crazy crazy

[buoyant comet]

Yup

[severe violet]

they prob all be yonko lvl trust

to that time

it said they are getting stronger or sum

[buoyant comet]

King Elizabelo can kill a yonko

With his king punch

[severe violet]

ye but he didnt need training for that nor is he part of the alliance

[buoyant comet]

Oh really

[severe violet]

yuh

[buoyant comet]

I really thought he joined the fleet

[severe violet]

he went back to his kingdom

everyone but him joined + his advisor and shit ofc

wait i didnt know Zou was that short

[grand flower]

Interesting that Elizabello was gonna check on Lulusia

[severe violet]

man its been a loong time since i last watched that part ( i am on a rewatch rn bc i forgor shit)

[tranquil blade]

@formal wagon I found someone in manga called "WAIDO AGENDA" who hates overwatch they're like an evil version of you

[ruby moat]

this is good evidence for barto being alive (altho i dont think anyone rly thought he was dead)

[severe violet]

what has made us think that he died?

[wraith mantle]

https://x.com/yyyeagerrr/status/2024100830144827781

거지 (@yyyeagerrr)

Three apples tall 🍎🍎🍎

X · Feb 18, 2026, 12:36 PM

[ruby moat]

his ship getting blown to bits by yasopp

presumably with barto on it

[severe violet]

happens to the best

[wraith mantle]

remove that react

[severe violet]

Imu saved him

[wraith mantle]

bonney hate is bannable

[severe violet]

heh waht if i dont

[muted hedge]

https://x.com/ArtStationHQ_/status/2024262772163215793/photo/1

ArtShareHQ (@ArtStationHQ_)

#Illustration│One Piece ― "Nami's Elbaf arc outfit" 🖌️🎨

Artist: @ddengart

X · Feb 18, 2026, 11:20 PM

[grand flower]

Barto and Kid both in Davy jones locker mayhaps

Imagine Barto knows Kid

[severe violet]

imagine 😭

why does that acc make sense

[ruby moat]

"howd you end up here?"
"shanks"
"wtf you too?"

[grand flower]

Be insane if Shanks’ crew somehow know how to do that

Send people to the locker

[tranquil blade]

My goat

[severe violet]

nah i think its random

but idk mane

[grand flower]

Kid I think is definitely in Davy Jones’ locker

[muted hedge]

i think davy jones locker is basically hell

essentialy if you're there, you're dead

[grand flower]

His first bounty post-skip says “the Ghost of Jonah”

[severe violet]

https://giphy.com/gifs/garp-kuzan-garpkuzandap-rVPCxpql5Cy4bPJKtS

[grand flower]

So does Blackbeard’s

[muted hedge]

what would being in Davy Jones' locker entale here though

is it that they're dead, or is it a domain beneath the sea?

[severe violet]

ainchent blue prints type shit

and kid making stuff

[muted hedge]

what

[severe violet]

weapons

fuck do i know

[ornate tartan]

😂😂

he’s not there

[severe violet]

?

[ornate tartan]

kid is either alive- washed up on a shore or saved by someone or he’s dead

[severe violet]

last part would make NO sense tho

so yeah

[ornate tartan]

i’d say the first is more likely

[severe violet]

ma man

[inner agate]

davy jones locker is for sunken treasure

[dense haven]

kid will return in elbaf

[severe violet]

we live in the same chromesone

[inner agate]

kidd is defo not a treasure 😠

[ornate tartan]

kidd is cool

idk why he gets so much hate

[severe violet]

ma ma ma maaa mane

idk either

[formal wagon]

take it back

[severe violet]

Kid is literaly so underated

[formal wagon]

[ornate tartan]

yeah he carried in the BM fight imo

[severe violet]

• oda is basicly holding his backstorry for later

[formal wagon]

that was after big mom recovered from her double concussion too

so kid was fighting actual big mom while kaido fought the double mental nerfed one

[ornate tartan]

he’s a likable rival type pirate

who dreams big

[severe violet]

and he is verry underpowered after Wano he basicly got the end boss also

[muted hedge]

don't we already know his backstory?

[formal wagon]

yeah we got it in an sbs

[muted hedge]

about him and Killer on an island with a girl named Victoria

[severe violet]

yes but not rly

[formal wagon]

but oda will draw it too... surely...

[severe violet]

and not to the fullest

[formal wagon]

surely...

surely

[severe violet]

id say there are some tweaks taht are not shown yet

[tranquil blade]

surely

[formal wagon]

i think we got 2 waves of kid's backstory but im not sure

surely

[severe violet]

like we still did not see the whole BB backstorry only a small part

and other info

[muted hedge]

found it

[grand flower]

Maybe that and the anime was foreshadowing

[severe violet]

not that mutch tho

[grand flower]

I still think there’s a chance one or both of Kid’s parents were Davy sent to the South Blue by Kuma

We unceremoniously learned Rocks had a living grandma and father

Aunts, uncles, cousins, siblings

All that is on the table since he said his kin lived there

[severe violet]

meh still id say Kids storry is only 50% shown

[grand flower]

Yeah Oda revealing that in the SBS means that’s the details that’s basically fluff compared to what will be atory impoetant

[muted hedge]

it's hard to pin point how many of the Davy were on God Valley, we just know Rocks grandmother and pops, who he himself later had to kill

[grand flower]

I’d compare it to Zoro’s family tree

[severe violet]

and again shanks vs luffy or law would be the same end as kid vs Shanks only maybe that luffy would have not been completely beatn

[grand flower]

The tree was in the SBS csuse that wasn’t really relevant to the actual story of Zoro coming so far because he’s unknowingly had his heritage with him

[muted hedge]

i'd be down to see more backstory from Kid but i doubt it

[grand flower]

Dw bro

[dense haven]

LOL

[muted hedge]

it feels like Oda is pretty done with him, outside of maybe a possible return in the final war

[severe violet]

Hydrogen bomb VS sleeping baby

[grand flower]

Most real niggas know shanks sucker punched kid

It’s okay tho

Shanks did it with Haki

So he’s still cool

[grand flower]

I think he’s meant to contrast Joy Boy tbh

[muted hedge]

in what way?

[grand flower]

Hold on

[jade rain]

It does add an interesting lore

[grand flower]

I did a write up on this a little while back

I saved it csuse I think it’s pretty good

[ornate tartan]

joy boy and who?😂

kidd or shanks

[grand flower]

Kid

[severe violet]

what if Joy boy is related to Kid

or what if kid is the man marked by flames and he doesnt know

[ruby moat]

Yea.. what if

[grand flower]

When Oda said he always knew what he was gonna do with Kid

I think it’s contrasting what Luffy embodies as Joy Boy

[ruby moat]

This reminds me of a certain “what if the burn scar is Lokis eyes” take

[blazing depot]

Who here hates one piece

[ruby moat]

NOT me.

[blazing depot]

We ESPECIALLY hate Loki

[severe violet]

i think this is all y bro

[muted hedge]

talk for yourself, lol

[blazing depot]

No

We

As in us

[severe violet]

https://giphy.com/gifs/bro-thinks-he-is-part-of-the-team-FRThHQTeFcbDkz1YtU

[ruby moat]

Unfortunately funkemonke has the talking stick right now meaning they do speak for all of us

[muted hedge]

interesting, i'd be keen to hear more about it
though i personally find a more likely candidate for that would be Blackbeard

[ruby moat]

Just as I was staring to like Loki as well…

[muted hedge]

feels like at least 95% of the community adores Loki

[ornate tartan]

more then yamato

[blazing depot]

I am the voice of a generation

[vital heart]

Aloha!

[tranquil blade]

https://tenor.com/view/festthefestivefest-morgone-jones-morgan-jones-tweaking-tweak-gif-14491782401479632016

[blazing depot]

I must be silent, a real ragebaiter arrived

[grand flower]

@severe violet @muted hedge I’m still looking for the full write up

But for now

Consider that Kid’s power debut is him and Luffy both repelling cannon fire

[severe violet]

what full write up?

[grand flower]

Then making giant fists, framed mirrored to each other

To clear out the Navy

[severe violet]

aa

[grand flower]

Kid is about controlling other things, namely hard and rigid metal

[severe violet]

see oda CANT kill him of

[grand flower]

Luffys power is all about full control of himself

Malleable and flexible

[severe violet]

we will see i say Kid will reach luffys lvl

or atleast kaido lvl

[grand flower]

I don’t really think is that much weaker than Luffy between the end of Wano and Egghead tbh

[severe violet]

i think he just got the WORST matchup

[grand flower]

Like, G5 throwing around Kaido’s full body form is really impressive

And Kid did that in chapter 1001

Suplexed that nigga

[severe violet]

like i think Shanks is just too strong