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kaido's longevity needs to be studied
That surpasses top tiers
my fav character easily
let's see what he gonna do here
i mean we've seen so little of the actual Imu, that we can't say anything regarding them without their regeneration, if that's what you're talking about
it's not looking too good for imu
it kind of is
i mean
Nah what I was saying is others need those powers
imu has shown that he's so strong he doesnt even need to fight for himself
To do anything
if actual imu was here i would say the shs didn't stand any chance
ofc people are gonna compare everything to kaido since they always alleges hes the strongest this and that but we keep seeing stronger people all the time
i agree, i think that Gunko will be weak point for Imu here
but actual imu would very obviously no diff the country
that much is clear when they already have an unstable grasp over Gunko from just seeing Brook
the title being "the strongest in the world" doesn't help too much either lol
(we've seen 0 stronger people)
That title is most likely about the mothers
it's about love in general
which mothers
the strongest thing in the world, is love
The leakers as usual had their own agenda
In the chapter
When all of their family members went down with the children
oh
the parents love for their kids
Loki's and the giants love for their country
Luffy and the rest of the Straw Hats love for their friends
yeah i can see that, i thought the strongest in the world was talking about imu but that's a slight stretch since imu was barely focused on this chapeter
sanji's love for every other women🙂↕️♥️
Less specifically familial love
Yep
yeah because road jumped in too
There were many types of parentap figures
Oimo as a grandfather too
Whats her name as a teacher
Ange
Hopefully the Ange traitor theories can finally be laid to rest
yeah i was surprised ange was the one who would serve as the parent figure for johanna
she is owed a lot of apolgies
Wasnt it when we found out harald put the mark there?
Yea but we forget how mucb teachers actually do that especially for orphans
Glad oda did that
Rokaya in shambles...
yeah that made the chapter better even though i wanted to see at least 1 die
Some early elbaf theories were just cooked
Im afraid time dilation theory on elbaf is getting cooked too
Time dilation...
Ur sick
Time dilation is pretty much disproven

oh yeah what was Louise Arnot talking about
He was just saying it's a dangerous place
we spend 30 chapters of oda edging them to fall and literally nobody dies
He was talking about them giant baddies. Look at Gaban, he stayed too long
i thought the final saga would be different
lol
Thats on u for expecting oda to kill kids
Which im glad he doesnt
At least on screen

yeah i trusted in oda killing people off too much after the castle incident
I was preaching that loki would die in this arc when first introduced
Kids should not have been apart of that
And a childs death doesnt add much here anyway
And ive seen others do it too
Now i take it all back
people still do it
Loki is living til EoS
don't take it back yet there is still hope
there is a negative percent chance loki dies in elbaf
theres no way oda gave loki all of this for him to live a happy life
the farthest i can see is Loki being domi reversed and then saved by Luffy
you really want seinen piece, lol
idk this arc just felt a little anticlimactic
we've not even witnessed the climax
it's giving "I believed the raid will fail"
vegapunk "died" last arc but no actually he has a clone and 5 other extensions of himself still alive and the children were about to die but no they get saved just in time by a magical super giant bird legendary fruit user

it makes a lot of sense that the smartest man in the world would have backups in case of his own death, which himself already foresaw
If u acc thought the kids where gonna die ts on u😭😭💔
me when the kids and parents survived
people really underestimate the statement of Vegapunk being the smartest being in the world
and we know he already foresaw his own demise
the tears were just so convincing
of course he'd have made back ups for it, lol
One piece still one piece it has dark themes but oda still himself
I do agree that we need a major death scene
Jarul, trust me
but in no way you thought the kids were going to die bruh😭
Oda knows that he doesn't need to be explicit for people to be able to read between and behind the lines that he makes
for example the Kuma flashback was perfect with this
saul burning in front of robin but this time he actually dies 
i'm used to be proven wrong at this point, i wouldn't be surprised if nobody dies in this arc at all but i wouldn't like it either
Saul burning himself alive to save all the ohara books
I have my bet on dorry brogy jarul
I also want to see saul burn tho 
yeah i think jarul would be a good motivator for loki since theyre friendly
Loki already has all motivation he needs, lol
I'd say Jarul is the only death we'll get this arc.
Saul is a bad fit. Dorry/Broggy or maybe just 1 of them is possible, but I doubt it
Me on my way to kill you
Gyaban death i guess is also possible
but yeah, i don't think that Jarul's death is far fetched to believe
Jarul is 100% dying
at least one of the holy knights bru
I can also believe Gaban dying to an extent
im talking about the good side
Maybe.
ohhh
Kuma is going to die again too
Nahh
Sommers will die but that will be because Imu retracts the contract, not from getting ACoC'd to death though
yeah but he's kinda cocky, so maybe jarul dying will make him take it seriously
I will miss him
Rokaya said that??? I'm disappointed...
we know he took it seriously from back when he had to kill his father
he told Jarul, Shanks and Gaban that the first thing that he had planned was to go to the World Government and destroy it
People said this because she wasnt Ripley or Gerd

Unless shes very committed to the bit.
Ala Kanjuro
But Kanjuro is a very unique case that I doubt will happen again
the exorcism i believe depends on brook
YC and I have been fighting for our lives to defend Ange's legacy
Anyone who thought Ange was a traitor is insane
ok I trust you
So glue
Traitornge
Literally what about her was "traitor"
how did that even begin to circulate?
Poor ange
Who is the traitor then?
Is being too nice a bad thing now?
Nobody
Harald
He betrayed himself
That is your traitor

Harald basically was the traitor he just didnt intend to be one
There is a traitor in current timeline
I dont want ANOTHER traitor storyline
At least let another arc go without one please
She wasnt injured in this panel
Is there really anything implicating there's a traitor in the current day Elbaf
people think the thorns should already be there, or whatever
Ange might be a very good actor like kanjuro 
arc princess and traitor..
I thought it was because she made the children draw their nightmares
Yeah but in a lot of tiny panels characters are seen with no injuries
i guess that too, but that was the specific thing rokaya brought up to me last week lol
Same thing happened with Whitebeard in God Valley
Kanjuro just went along with the other scabbards, Ange went out of her way to die with Johanna
I'm just joking btw
Rokaya def would be pro Traitor Ange
I don't believe in ange traitor theory
Rokaya just hates really cool women
Yeah just wanted to declare
I believe
You could say like Johanna is an ancient giant and Ange needs her for her plan but thats batshit insane lol
there will be a time dilation

Interesting
Sacrificing yourself for the bit
Be ready to die for the bit
Traitor is actually here btw
You either die for the bit or see yourself become the clown
I just hate carrot...
Carrot is the traitor
As predicted by the monsoon
ah ok thanks then, idk it's just because from how loki sees himself as the strongest and how he thinks he can beat the entire WG by himself makes me think he might be overestimating himself and when he's facing someone that is stronger than him it'll be harder for him to accept that he needs to get stronger to beat them
Ange haters vs Ange enjoyers
i think it's more the case of the Luffy mentality, lol
he just believes in himself to the ends of hell and back
just like Luffy does when he fights anyone
ange is too ugly for me not to hate her
what the hell
Bro
See
In front of me?
not cool
Really?
This is what people are like

Go to the corner
Shes awesome
This chapter cemented her as one of my favorite giant characters
its just the chin that breaks the deal for me
so you have to be physically attracted to someone, to decide if you like them as a character lol
uh yes
well im physically attracted to big mom
so
it's not just the weight it's just ange's face that throws me off
Top 10 Elbaf characters
- Ripley
- Ylvas mom
- Skaldis mom
- Mags mom
- Bents mom
- Karins mom
- Ronjas dad
- Oimo
- Ange
- Road the goat
can't believe oda is expecting me to like a road redemption
Ive been saying since the beginning
pov i started reading one piece on chapter 1174
Roademption arc was alway coming
Oda really is insane
Oda saw the server's criticism and decided to give him a shred of humanity
Not that it matters
Because I will still boil him
But again nobody listens to me
Am I insane for thinking this too
Like Oda tends to make dumb characters epic for 1 moment
Woad
When Road said his little brother was there I immediately knew which one it was lol
Domi reversi Ussop?

Oimo? Road??
i think it's a clever move from Oda to show just how much these parental figures really care for their significant other, by literally having them intertwined withing thorns that will hurt depending on how much they love them
Glad you pointed out the 2 biggest goats 
- falling to death
Sommers thorns ability is so sadistic, it would be interesting to see how someone with a gold heart would use it
Luffy just saves the kids and doesnt get harmed because he doesnt love them but doesnt want them to die 
well he did say that they're digging into him, so i imagine that's the thorns he is talking about
how did Luffy survive the thorns
wait wasnt Luffy shot with a gun in Orange town how did he survive
huh
you confusing me
im confused too
how did he survive kaido's wind blades
nono but like that guy is asking questions that
round bullets
idk brah
theres more. How did Luffy survive Crocodiles sand
thats like every bullet in OP exept the ones of don krieg actualy
if the marines had shot luffy with tiny knives instead he would have died
ok now i got it satire
How did Luffy survive drinking disgusting beer from Jaya?
how did Luffy survive the billion volts of Enel
his body behaves like rubber
Oh. Oh wait that explains a lot. haha.
I enjoyed it. very sweet moments and I loved sommers absolute chaos
How did luffy survive attacks of the legendary Helmeppo
in the first marine base
How did Luffy survive this
because Helmeppo sucks
based
We need the names of these 6 people
how did luffy survive the hit on his head of the legendary Alvida in episode 1 or 2
not even a real gun
wdym it literaly is 
gulps
what did I do. I created a monster
his body behaves like rubber
That 4kids thing was doomed from the start
because hammers are dangerous
already was a monster
I beat people with hammers
but like actualy how did buggy survive the attacks of Zorro like how brah
makes no sense
When Ussop uses hammers its epic
same goes for mihawk
But when I use hammers its a violent offender federal charge
Yo guys mihawk or shanks?
If I was a pirate, I would popularize hammers
Shanks
buggy
Ha
would you follow Law or Luffy
Luffy
At a con
Found a loki cosplayer
He had a squirrel plushie with his hammer
U mean u follow law or nami
I would follow Kid
Luffy would get u lost
Its really crazy how fast they are sometimes
Kid would get me killed

HOW did the water survive the fall of Luffy and how did it beat him sometimes even
i am asking the important questions here
well the easiest explanation would be
it's Gunkos arrow ability which caused the children to keep moving, they fell down from the designated path onto Loki's back, Luffy caught them and their thorns dug into him then they got off of him as they are no longer on the designated path of Gunko but still have the thorns of Sommers on them, so the significant others don't hug them as of now
Demon dorry broggy
How did Luffy survive
I mean, how can you not love him
how Did No one get beaten by Buggy
Loki
That was fucking fast
Was there a Sommers cosplayer
I'm ready for the elbaph arc
I wish Sommers was an old man
what do you mean? Buggy effectively beat Zoro
True
He literally is an old man though
no i mean like till now Buggy only got beaten by No one
nah he dont got grey hair unless he dyes it
How is NO one that strong
he might be like late 40s
Every swordsman's weakness is buggy
which isnt that old
Haven't ran into much one piece yet in general never mind sommers
Crocodile and Mihawk are right there
but 0 sword style
Altho those same cosplayers ran into elbaf luffy and nami
Yea true you could just punch buggy or kick him in the nuts
wait yaal does 0 sword style counts as like actualy no sword
or is it like cuts so it is kina a sword
but also basicly punches
and that doesnt answer the question if it counts as a sword
Unfortunately
means does it get countered by buggy
any slashing attack is countered by Buggy's chop chop if that's what you're asking
but its basicly just a sharp jab in that thought
or a hook
combination
what
i just explained to you why no sword style still is a slashing attack, lol
but its still a fast fist
so if he hits with his fist part
it's not a fist attack
then its basicly just a fast punch combination
he uses his fist to create a slash
and he uses his fist in a fast manner
so means fast punch too
?
see
Look at the images
basicly means a fast fist attack
and then means FAST FIST
so punches
that are fast
so punches
whatever man
I dont get it 😭
say ggs i lost
Realllll
I have met up with 3 cosplayer friends as law shanks and kidd
Which means I get to exploit the shanks beating kidd vibes
Its like the same scene just changing the animal and the toothbrush to meat
Bb final villain
Read between the lines
It’s telling us bb is at the top to take down , not imu
BB is a much better final villain narratively for the story

this is a PIRATE manga
Wholeheartedly agreed with every fiber of my soul
both are going to be fantastic villains, period
As long as it's like, "We beat BB on laughtale, he comes back as reinforcements in final war, we work together to take down imu, then betray and try to kill luffy but then Luffy succeeds" which will be in contrast to when Imu and Joyboy worked together to take down the Davy ancestor and then Imu betrayed and successfully killed Joyboy", then it will be peak. 
earl agreed with sb lulw

I agree with good opinions
Vegapunk top 1
danny slicer is top1
i think it's more likely that Davy and Joyboy worked together against Imu and then Imu managed to make Davy lend a ear, which caused Davy to undergo a similair precedure as Xebec and Harald has done, effectively being a pawn under Imu's control and possibly the final piece against Joyboy who dug his grave
or Davy straight up just betrayed Joyboy and had to pay for it later when Imu betrayed him
ngl i hate this guy, hes too evil and despicable for my taste
Vander the first helped too
the only way i can enjoy his character is when he dies
Sommers is dying soon
true, but I love him anyways
Final villain?
Shrimple
Its Ange and her EVIL giant children
Who are doppelganger SHs
Shes the 2nd best character this arc
I love her a lot
Oda writes good women Exhibit A
Good teacher too
can't you see she slam dunked johanna to the ground?
TRUE
Thank God he can do that at least
Could you imagine his designs but ALSO every OP woman is poorly written
😭
Johanna is also in for the bit.
The discussion numbs me in general
I don't think so
has oda ever done a torture scene?
yes, with tama
he is
wait what? i legit cant recall
he did an entire torture arc
its called wano
ooh
Luffy punched the dude out over it
good
OH RIIIGHT
holdem used the pliers
!throb
ange slander has been debunked
There it is
nah
whats the meaning of that command
i mean like a proper sick torture scene

without immediate rescue
I don’t believe so
does robin crushing frankys balls count?
Yeah
whats his problem with pliers
marki pliers the movie director
Is it your birthday
Quick, someone post that one Sanji image
is this the red bean soup panel?
I don’t think so? It’s right after Luffy rescued Tama from Holdem
happy bucday
ah, I was wondering if someone just edited the text
Do you dip fries in ketchup, mayo, or eat them plain?
I dip them in smoothies and milk
i see mfs dip fries in milk shakes
in TV shows
most american thing i ever seen
Im Cuban American
So I suppose im 50% fry smoothie dipper
some people say dragon and Luffy don’t look alike, but on the contrary, they absolutely do look alike. Dragon just frowns a lot, which is why his face looks so serious.
Barbecue sauce.
own sauce at home, anywhere else ketchup 
TRUE
"He looks all black so he'll definitely be black when we get his official colors"
they dont know how Oda does it
I just want Loki to look a bit dumb
Not in a silly way
But moreso "This dragon looks like a dog" way
I think for someone like Loki it'll be really cool
we already got it with momo
He already has the dog tongue meme going on
Momo is a cunt
Loki is all about aura farming like his idolo
Ok that was a bit mean im sorry
I dont want to fall to the same standard as people who hated Bonney during Egghead
They fucked up
bonney haters are idiots
"Are you my Valentine? Because my heart waits a couple kilos"
That could've sold the season to millions
momo used to be a useless idiot but he is good now
Ange pulled through last chapter. big W
Ange is the best part of the chapter.
Granted I think that entire segment was awesome
Its much better than the Loki dragon reveal
I love when Oda is a good writer out of no where
heheheh
i just noticed but is this a toy of the ancient robot
i cant tell if its just a weird viking giant or the robot
Collon Emeth body swap theory
Ye it resembles emeth
yea anyone can make hype battle/aura slop but the writing is what sets op apart
it is the robot. its probably part of the nika lore they have
One piece fights aren't even that great tbh (anime started carrying recently), the majority of one piece fans are invested in the story and not fights
Im invested in everyone in here
fr

it's probably good, but man it looks nasty
is that poutine ?
That doesnt look good
yup but how bad can fries, cheese and gravy be xd
oh wait now that sanjuan is gone i can freely speak negatively about poutine
where did he go?
oh
idk
i think spoiler
he just left
momo in the mud
oda really likes pink dragon
I really like Pink
yeah actually this looks cool
Oda makes the best characters pink
Dragons are supposed to be colorful
Yeah
I really hope Loki's dragon is Oda coded
Oda doesn't have the balls
Lol
It has 4 limbs so its off to a good start
I think this is the one time im down for edgy badass
i'm thinking that it'll keep being black but with a purple shading on top of it, sort of like the animated symbiotes from Spider-man, specifically Venom lol
Since thats basically loki
Kaido tickles your edge pickle
Hes dead
The text says "Hakim Al shams"?
That we know of*
That fits lokis characterization better

Oh hush
Kaidover
Anyways im sorry but you will get dog dragon Loki and you will like it.
He's already Linkin Park coded in regular form
Probably will be in Hybrid.
If i do count your days
I have the calender ready
Good
y'all remember the concept art for hybrid Kaido?
fits the sillhouette we saw with Loki's hybrid against Harald
it will be nice if the dragon color was like his hair tho
well, sure
if Momonosuke wasn't pink
https://x.com/b_sarimbo/status/2022343588068421765/photo/1
this is very cool
fr dope
https://x.com/NadalCaique/status/2021988153658351921/photo/1
this one looks cool too, i like how it incorporates the features of Loki
well, I just realized that, in the end, I don't know which is the best option of all
I liked them all
0% chance this dragon is black btw
i wouldn't say 0%
Jarul's quotation mentioned it as a black blot
wait nevermind
he just said a great beast shall blot out the sky, my bad
yall liked the chapter?
True
Holy edgy
poutine is goated
How do you guys feel that in a year we might get a volume with Loki's dragon form on the cover
we never know. spice is an enigma
i think we'll get it pretty early, if not from a cover it'll be from a magazine or something
I dont have ligma
We may get that later this year cause the latest volume ended with Rocks introduction right ?
Size downscale of doom

Yeah but wasnt the flashback nearly 20 whole chapters? There might be two whole volume covers dedicated to it
At least 1 for Rocks and then 1 for the Castle Incident maybe
Worst cover of all time incoming
You really hate Rocks the way I used to hate Shanks
1165 is p much the end
but now I have no hate (for one piece characters)
I have no enemies..
Well I used to hate Shanks a lot too but my hate for Rocks far surpasses that, it truly is unmatched
We kinda got Roger and Garp
But I guess there’s no rule against a second time
Seems like it will cover GV
But I think it will be a bad cover for other reasons, it will probably just be very cluttered
Considering it's god valley
I really hope Oda sneaks Luffy in, that would be very funny
It could be a good cover if it's just Rocks, Roger and Garp
Probably better for clutter purposes
And Garling I guess
Hate for rocks?
You might be the first person ever to hate rocks
we have an alive and thriving anti rocks union here
They force themselves to hate the goat
Sadly
Build organically
what if you have a Rocks dream like Arisu and Shanks?
D’Fuck 
Sup Penny 👋🏽
if it’s a god valley cover we need Baby Teach & baby Shanks .. since they always on covers togehrrr
better yet just have all the old gen from the flashback with their kids/descendants on the cover
GV centric is good but problem is clutter
There’re a lot of characters
Rocks wit Teach
Harald with Loki & Hajrudin
Garp with Luffy & Dragon
Roger with Ace
I think that would be more of a nightmare
Oda will have to only choose the bosses
I hope I never see him in my dreams
You don’t rock with Rocks’ dreams ?
Hey Smooth
this but the old gen with their kids behind them (like the roger pirates )
I want to throw rocks at him
Rocks, Roger, Garp, Imu
Rocks & Harald feel like shoes in for they will 100% be on the cover
I actually wanna see Eris’ color scheme but
since they were the central focuses of the flashback
Eris will be white haired
are you a eris = olivia truther?
in the future Oda gonna reveal Eris dyed Teach hair black to hide his true identity 😂
besides can’t be “blackbeard “ without black hair
I almost want it to be true that she's related to Olvia simply because it would be funny
lol last time Teach saw his pops he was bodying Shanks pops 🤦🏾♂️
Mint green take it or leave it
The purple for Rocks was a good choice by Oda
light pink
Honestly not bad
oda is not over his pink hair phase
Pink Loki soon
Eris hair color gonna be the same as Vivi’s & Lilys
this looks kinda good
both teach parents gonna have blue colored hair lol
I want to love the Loki panel but it's kinda weirdly drawn
Sonic 
Do yall genuinely like Loki’s design or just pretending??
I'm no anatomy expert or anything but it seems off
Its been a while Smooth.
That shidd ugly than a muug
I think I gotta see more
His right eye shouldn't be that visible
But I prefer Kaido
i don’t like any full zoan designs honestly lol i always just wait for the hybrid and if they have a awakening form
not kaidos , not lucci , not kakau , not marco , not yamato
i hate em all lol
Where have you been lol?
i think its the mouth too
it goes way way way way behind where it should end
hybrid forms is when Oda gets in his bag so I just wait to see those
You lost me at hating Kaido 
Why??
i just don’t like fights with big creatures
That’s the coolest dragon there is
I didn't even notice that
like
But you're right
About
His skull is so long
?
he's like a monster dragon
so that brought kaidos down for me , and even worst that kaido full zoan form is the one he got beat up the most in lol
not a regular one
The eyes dont make sense anatomically
maybe he has 3?
...
not even joking the left one kinda is on the middle of his head
Oda decided to make him island sized so it is what it is 
We gotta wait for other looks at it
like i hope shanks vs loki is loki in his hybrid or awakened or base .. but not full zoan .. fights with regular sized people and giant beings never look good imo .. best we got was Harald & Rocks but Harald was nowhere near as big as Loki zoan
Folks here once said Shanks and em jumped Loki, what you think about that lol??
The legs are weird too
im fine with it honestly .. granted u don’t think that happened cause i know how Oda be glazing Shanks and probably won’t miss the opportunity to do so vs Loki but if he did jump him i wouldn’t have a problem with it
thats i think its an artist choice
he just didnt finish it so we can see whats going on under it
or they are curved
I don’t know man 
lol Loki is in my top 5 favs and i’m all for the shanks slander but i just feel like if I start believing shanks jumped loki , im just setting myself up for disappointment cause it’s Oda 😂
Loki’s cool but Shanks reputation gets questioned if he and his crew jumped him
not really cause Oda told us chapter1 when he had shanks and beckman say they don’t fight fair cause they’re pirates
so it would be consistent with whats been said in the story

Sometimes the enemy just requires jumping
Lol
facts , Luffy jumps people every arc
even as a yonko lol
and will continue to do so even as pirate king lol
Except for Doflamingo
lmao did you forget him & law 2v1
one of the most crucial attacks on Doffy only happened cause Law & Luffy were jumping lol
I don’t regard Law as part of that fight
gamma knife was a HUGE factor so i don’t see why not
He talked too much
without gamma knife everything changes
Yeah
Luffy jumps someone every arc : “ that’s my Pirate King !!! GOAT !! “
Teach jumps only WB : “ oh my god that’s cheating !!! he has to jump people to win !!! Rocks would never !!! “
😂🤦🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️
Hey, how did you feel about that Joyboy Haki scene from the anime lol??
I didn’t like it at all, they made Luffy look p***y
Pitty? Putty? Patty? Potty?
Mfer censored pussy
Look at his face bro
Why would they do that
Idunno what's funnier this or him being upset that luffy is surprised
The robot unleashed an ungodly level haki that repelled 5 unstoppable giant demons
i think
Who wouldnt be surprised
i suck at it but the eye should be there
That might be the most shameless silhouette i've seen from oda
Why is Lokis bounty so low when he was at sea for 6 years
i don't think it's a silhouette i think loki just is jetblack
we're given details and everything
2.6 bil is a high bounty
Who winning the lick off
Loki Vegapunk or Perospero
The lollipop is relative to their size
D’Fuck 

oh i understand thats interesting then, the hybrid form probably looks insane
I guess you might be right but who knows
Ive been here
2.6 billion is low to you ?
On Enies lobby he fought like a fuck ton of people. Like I'm pretty sure he fought half of the army over there.
Also he soloed both Blueno and Lucci
Man he got jumped heavy on Egghead
They pulled a whole ass fleet and bustercall on his ass
They had multiple vice admirals
Seraphims
Cipher Pol agents
An admiral
Pacifistas
And the entirety of the gorosei 😭
Niggas will glaze shanks even tho he told mfs its NO RULES
Even against katakuri luffy said its no rules
This is a pirate show mane its crew vs crew if ya crew is ass you getting beat
Blackbeard is playing the game correctly
I hope and expect that BB has no noble intentions and is not pursuing a grudge for rocks
akainu i dont really care but noble intentions would really ruin bb for me
im more ready for imu to have understandable motivations than bb
im understandable to the idea that being around for 800 years, even if you were a good guy at the start, is bound to fuck you up
how could you not start feeling like a god ruling the world for 800 years
I think id be fine/happy with imu having semi-noble motivations that got corrupted over time but i dont want bb to have intentions that are even slightly noble: no revenge, no davy legacy, just ravenous hunger for power
Rocks would never
Luffy’s first time got the receiving end of what emperors were dealing with 24/7, at least he did good lol
Preach
I feel like that both Imu and Blackbeard are fully evil regardless of their motivations, like even if they began with good intentions or were good people doesn’t change the fact that both ended up being horrible monsters.
I remember that 💀
people clowning on shanks for not doing 1 v 1 with loki
meanwhile luffy vs kaido
nah thats cool

Who let bro cook
no morj, you cannot explain
First of all it's not confirmed Shanks jumped Loki. Y'all gotta remember Loki had a crew with him.
Second of all the majority of Luffy and Kaidos fight was a 1 v 1, if you remove big mom and the worst generation the outcome would be the same.
ok bud
surely all that effort dealing with all those opponent dint reduce kaidos stamina vs luffy
i think it's better to conclude loki and shanks 1v1ed, because loki's crew is full of traumatized nobodys they will never protect him
I'm not saying it didn't affect him, but even in full health Kaido isn't surviving a Bajrang gun to the head
Theres nothing wrong with it if shanks jumped loki.
I still think shanks beat him fair tho
me too
I guess i would like for that to be thier distinction. Cause with how evil imu acts and teach's tragic past it would be less expected case for imu to be the one who once had good intentions. But I think i definitely prefer it to the alternative, (bb had good intentions, imu never did) which feels too simple
I think they appreciate Loki. I mean when Lola rejected Loki a couple of em wanted to declare war on Big Mom iirc
Shanks was introduced having his men fight bandits for him
I doubt shanks would not jump him unless he truly thinks his men outclassed
yeah but its not like they're gonna do much with that, i think loki lost in a 1v1 since his butlers are pretty weak
my take on these "most powerful title" is still just hype words that dont mean anything
cuz oda will just make multiple characters fight em 
He would not jump him if he felt like no one his crew could beat loki, but that he could beat loki
If the opponent is so weak that Ben, Lucky roo, etc could beat them: The crew fights
If the opponent is so strong that shanks cant win alone: Shanks and the crew fight
If the opponent is stronger than the crew, but weaker than shanks: Only shanks fights
its rlly just a matter of who you think is stronger between the two. I still got shanks for now 🙏
Beckman soloed their asses.
They were fighting unfair holding a kid hostage
im more interested in what progress loki achieved during that 8 years
he was suppose to avenge his father
Literally 0, bro never fought a single holy knight yet
my speculation is that he was going against the wg in a really risky impercise counter productive way
one thing we know for certain is he didnt make it far enough to meet the holy knights
bigger question is how was Shanks the first yonko to come across Loki in 8 years
youre telling me kaido didnt hear of loki traveling and be like Im tryna fight him
He wasnt
there was big mom right?
Big mom came across him
well loki got an impressive bounty
so mf did something
Ye
this is just a marriage thing tho
no wb or kaido is crazy
i mean they still met but i see what you mean
whats that again? 2.6 billion bounty?
when did kaido take control of wano vs when was loki rampaging?
2.7
he wandered around the new world for 8 years with no comp until shanks showed up
wb is a bit strange but i don’t think kaido was terribly active was he
Kaido ain't never done productive shit in his life. When he heard WB was about to fight the marines he tried to jump him, but when shanks offered a fair fight he turned tail
Kaido and BM were more concerned with amassing their own forces.
They don't care about small fry.
whats the timeline on this again? Loki was around for 8 years but how many years ago did he get imprsioned? 5?
yeah 5
so we know he was out to get revenge
multiple characters said he was unstoppable
was rampaging out at sea
and got 2.7 B bounty
and thats all in 8 years
loki = small fry?
6
and when did oden die and kaido set up in wano, like 20?
Yeah
ill still headcanon that loki killed some of the former rocks members
Exactly 20 yea
Otherwise it would've been tragic
so true
who is wang zhi
You serious?
he’s the one responsible for god valley
6
This dude doesn't know who Wang Zhi is
if it was 20 years ago then kaido had been set up in wano for like 6 years when loki started sailing
Probably didn't since he experienced his father turning into a demon
whole time Loki alone beats the rocks pirates:
Loki beats rocks, Ragnir beats the rest of the crew
how is that relevant to killing rocks pirates
actually now i’m curious how loki didn’t make it to mariejois
ochoku 🤦♂️ lol
The man behind the slaughter
i feel like he could’ve had a pretty good run
Under that context it seems understandable why they all left Rocks on god valley
wang was living fine until BB came and koby
zoro level navigation skills
you telling me loki knew rocks turned into a demon in god valley
wang zhi got away with everything scot free for 37 years
he was pussying out for 8 years and shanks gave him an excuse to go back
He even retired on the island too
What a chad.
Dude deserves it.
Actually nah he probably didn't know
none of the rocks members even know why rocks went on rampaging
right?
It took a Yonko, Supernova and a Marine upstart to stop him btw
marine upstart
they dint know imu transformed him
wheelchair wang zhi vs blackbeard law and koby
Yeah I was just assuming he'd know. Unless he met up with WB he wouldn't have known
that part was all hush hush
why you angry
Weirdest fight ever, why did oda offscreen it
it turns out we cared a lot more about rocky port than he did
i think garp and roger dint even mention anything about rocks getting cursed by imu
Wang Zhi with a IV bag vs Blackbeard Law and Koby must've went hard.
The baltigo fight was cool too
it’s a bit strange he didn’t expect us to be interested in a conflict that involved law bb and koby
Tbf it feels like a footnote fight that I think we can live without
Compared to say, God Valley
all the best fights happen off screen
Which had to be elaborated on eventually given its the biggest fight of last gen
except luffy vs krieg
yeah it’s not terribly plot important but it’s interesting
Also Mailbox has a point. Its a Teech fight.
So it had to be offscreened
do we even know why koby was in pirate island vs wang zhi
yeah
To decimate Wang
oda gave a summary in one of the qnas
Yeah Oda gave a full sum of the event in an SBS
wait what? the marines sent koby to bring down wang?
what did you guys think of the chapter
was law also there?
cuz the guy took hearts of pirates from pirate island ye?
oh we don’t know why koby exactly was there
but we can assume he wanted to save the people there or something
I assume Koby was tasked to take him into custody
koby was there on holiday
koby was there to liason with
so no we dont know why koby was there
Teech and Koby were unclear but you can put 2 and 2 together. At least for Teech and Koby.
yeah just average bb activities
yeah but the law ship was making dealings with the pirates
its a corrupt nation ye?
whats this just another sword undercover mission
Masquerading as a normal royalty boat
other way around
he wanted to board the ship that was doing dealings with pirate island but accidentally hijacked a passenger ship instead
^
the wording here is weird
is it implying that the passenger ship is actually a smuggling vessel or that he wanted to board a smuggling vessel
He wanted to jump into the smuggling vessel I assume to ambush the island
theres only 1 ship in this story ye?
the first ship oda mention is the same ship that turned out to be currupt
Since he heard there was a glith on it, supposedly.
maybe?
depends on how you read it
I wonder what the poneglyph at Hachinosu talks about that it was so important & we know it’s not a red one





