also-manga

[prisma yacht]

the shamrock and shanks being one

theory

[digital spear]

Yeah I know evil buggys theory

And theyre also Mosa

[prisma yacht]

yeah xD

[ornate tartan]

I think it’s a government man aka holy knight for a couple of reasons

1. A pirate would have no reason to create multiple enemies for no reason just to hold on to a single poneglyph. plus would make no sense to not pursue the other ones

2. Oda said he would introduce a lurking legend in the OP world, one related to Whitebeard. Whitebeard was the guardian of fishman island when the 4th poneglyph disappeared. Oda never specified that this legend was a pirate

[prisma yacht]

i don want that tho

lokki x shira forever

[prisma yacht]

krome the first point

its literally shanks if you think about it

[digital spear]

The lurking legend stuff was all resolved in Wano, hearsay and different translation made people think its a secret character

[prisma yacht]

like forget what i said and just focus on ur first point and what shanks is

[ornate tartan]

shanks is targeting other poneglyphs right now tho

[barren token]

I still think it's Saul (it's saul)

[digital spear]

they guy still could be related to WB tho because he took it from FMI

[ornate tartan]

plus he has a crew and the black ship description wouldn’t match

[barren token]

I don't care that it's not Saul

Its Saul

[digital spear]

okay

[muted hedge]

whoever it is, i hope it's a completely new character

[prisma yacht]

lodestar having cactus wont surprise me

cactuses

[muted hedge]

cacti

[barren token]

Wait

[prisma yacht]

yeah whatever

[digital spear]

would Sunbell be a new character

[muted hedge]

no?

[digital spear]

but we know nothing about Sunbell

[muted hedge]

well, i mean someone who we know nothing about not ever heard of them prior

or seen

[barren token]

You know who a legendary figure we haven't seen in modern day who would have a burnscar is?

[prisma yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/wait-they-dont-love-you-like-i-love-you-teardrop-bfdi-gif-9211814391246024545

[digital spear]

why do people want this tho

[muted hedge]

i don't know, personally i just feel like it's the most exciting

[digital spear]

I think it would be more satisfying it was someone we could deduce would exist and have a burnscar

[ornate tartan]

I agree, it will be a new character for us readers, but at the same time it will be someone who has deep ties to several main players in the story

Whitebeard is one i’m certain of

[muted hedge]

could be someone from Rogers or Xebecs era, yeah

[muted hedge]

that's fair, i guess it's a subjective thing at the end of the day

[digital spear]

we saw a lot of that era by now, why didnt we ever see him

[solid mantle]

fats?

[rain cedar]

Are there any potential candidates even left. Before Elbaf, people said it was Gaban

Granted it may still be lmao

[amber lark]

I would like that

[digital spear]

someone we dont think of idk

theres a lot of people we know the face but not the names of

[solid mantle]

we saw him already

[digital spear]

Nashs theory is peak btw

[solid mantle]

🫶

[rain cedar]

I mean i guess someone from Rogers crew?

[digital spear]

yes...

[solid mantle]

exactly

[rain cedar]

Most likely option if we think it is from the characters we know

[rain cedar]

Who do you think it is

If you have a particular character in mind

[digital spear]

this is gonna be fun

[solid mantle]

let's see if you can guess what I think

[ornate tartan]

I hope we find out 2026

[digital spear]

Well Oda even said we will, but who knows if hes correct

[solid mantle]

Oda is not a reliable source

[digital spear]

Hint its not Sunbell

[barren token]

I know it's far fetched, but what if Saul actually survived Ohara? He would be left with burn scars and his time on Ohara could motivate him to learn about the glyphs and even guard the last red one.

[digital spear]

So glue

[formal wagon]

Hint its not hint guy

glue logia

[amber lark]

it makes sense

[formal wagon]

soon

[digital spear]

soon...

[rain cedar]

Uhhhh

[formal wagon]

how are there so many shoutmon and appmon players

[prisma yacht]

wait

[digital spear]

https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Roger_Pirates

[prisma yacht]

they dont love you like i love you

[rain cedar]

No, I know the crew 😭

Im just wondering who the fuck would it it be

[formal wagon]

what am i waiting for

there aren't many opportunities to foil wait as a command

theres usually no other choice

[muted hedge]

i really wonder why Roger chose that as his jolly roger

his father must have had that mustache or something

[formal wagon]

i don't wonder. thats roger's buisiness not mine.

[prisma yacht]

roger had a nice mustache

[formal wagon]

it used to be his nose hair

then frauda changed it

[solid mantle]

nose stache

[rain cedar]

@digital spear who is it

[solid mantle]

The man marked by flames

[formal wagon]

oda is a hack who can't even stand up for funny nose hair

[solid mantle]

the Hinokizu is...

[prisma yacht]

smh

[solid mantle]

The Oro Jackson

[formal wagon]

scopper just so happens to have a marking on his face that is shaped exactly like a cartoon fire

[rain cedar]

[solid mantle]

The Klabauterman of the Oro Jackson

[formal wagon]

scopper just so happens to be on elbaf

[rain cedar]

Wait hold on

That's peak?

[muted hedge]

yeah but he had that jolly roger before he got his mustache, lol

[prisma yacht]

he knew he will be getting one

[rain cedar]

When was the last time we even saw a klabauterman. Has Oda forgotten if they exist

[prisma yacht]

[solid mantle]

I'm Oda and no I haven't

[digital spear]

they burned the Oro Jackson after they disbanded or the WG did it, thats why the ship is black and the Klabautermann has a burnscar

thats why it can create whirlpools

[rain cedar]

That's definitely like the most unique theory I've seen

[solid mantle]

[digital spear]

yeah its really cool

[solid mantle]

it would be cool ngl

[rain cedar]

Can Oda really cook at that level 😔

[solid mantle]

if it happens I'm sending an edit of Steph curry with my face on it throwing Oda's face from the moon to the earth

[digital spear]

I already wanted it to be the Oro Jackson and the mmbf someone from roger pirates who could steer it, but Nashs theory elevated that

[formal wagon]

New theory: scopper was possed by roger and rayleigh. rayleigh is actually rocks etc

[digital spear]

I just want them find the ship and see if that fuckass egg is still on there or not

[rain cedar]

You cooked regardless if it happens or not honestly

[solid mantle]

thank you

[digital spear]

you cooked and marked us with flames

[solid mantle]

you are a poet and you don't even know that you are doing it

anyways back to me watching volleyball anime

[digital spear]

holy peakyuu

[solid mantle]

for like the third time

[prisma yacht]

lol

[buoyant comet]

You're the coolest mod out there btw

[formal wagon]

This is imu's backstory ^^^^

[prisma yacht]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/738580480437387264/1412073551854440448/Animation9.gif

[buoyant comet]

https://tenor.com/view/losing-video-games-crying-gif-12112554

[dapper tree]

Did you know imu looks like a psyduck?

[buoyant comet]

What's a Psyduck I'm dumb

[prisma yacht]

pokemon

[buoyant comet]

Is pokemon longer than one piece

Ive never watched it before so if it's shorter I might tune in

[prisma yacht]

smh look what u did meek

[dapper tree]

Did you know

[trim lily]

it is

[dapper tree]

That a certain character is the only one to kill an immortal

[trim lily]

if only there was someone who could tell us who that was

[dapper tree]

We may never know

[wraith mantle]

I am gonna manifest some warmth

[prisma yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-hajrudin-hajrudin-one-piece-dressrosa-wait-gif-25228382

[trim lily]

[prisma yacht]

dolfi are u caught up with kgb

[tranquil blade]

A certain character that had the privilege of being offscreened by Shanks 🥹

[rain cedar]

Fact ✅ : He lost on purpose so that Shanks wouldn't feel bad and quit being a pirate

[fast pagoda]

Sorry I didn't forget!

[rancid anvil]

Hi pasta

[dapper tree]

Fact ✅ : Shanks tricked loki into drinking 20 gallons of poison. Shanks asked Magallen for a ton of it, the only way he could make Loki weaker

Yo

[rancid anvil]

[rain cedar]

Always knew something was up with his sake

[dapper tree]

How he also have WB cancer

Magallen poison again

As well as Roger

Shanks and Magallen go way back

[rain cedar]

Benn is just a coverup

The real vice captain was in impel down all along

[grand flower]

Rockstar is a spy

[buoyant comet]

Rockstar is actually the coolest yc ever

I hope we get to see him fighting soon

If he gets powers like apoo I'd be really disappointed

[trim lily]

i wasn’t aware he had such a fanbase

[fast pagoda]

Ok it's done now! my final war prediction chart #autism

@prisma yacht @stone tulip

[grand flower]

You not wrong except for Sanji

[rain cedar]

It's a rare sight. Quite possibly the only one in this server out of the 3 rockstar fans in the world

[prisma yacht]

bravooo

[buoyant comet]

Why would the oni be hostile against the bb pirates?

[fast pagoda]

Cuz Teach wants Pluton

[buoyant comet]

Oh makes sense now

[grand flower]

[fluid cedar]

why sneak enel in he’s on the moon

[fast pagoda]

That's why I put him in the "idk right now" tier lol

[buoyant comet]

A temporary alliance between croos guild and bb pirates is very interesting . I don't think it's possible tho

[fast pagoda]

I just feel i had to mention him

[prisma yacht]

nice work

[fast pagoda]

Blackbeard wants that Garp money

[fast pagoda]

Thank you!

[buoyant comet]

I feel like he'd use him as leverage to gain independence

Wait um I meant make hachinosu a country

[prisma yacht]

hm? u dont think bb will go after pluton?

[buoyant comet]

That's not independence lol

[fluid cedar]

Isnt he sword that won’t work

[fast pagoda]

Yeah that too. I dont think the alliance will last but I just wouldnt be surprised if Teach and Cross Guild work together for a bit

[buoyant comet]

True but they could pressure the WG into folding by using his public reputation of being a hero

The marines though could just give up on him since he's old

[buoyant comet]

Okay well ur arguement makes it seem possible that it could happen so I won't entirely dismiss it

[haughty saddle]

Put me on the list

[haughty saddle]

Rockstar is at bare minimum Franky tier

He has business to attend to. Y’all just aren’t ready to witness it.

NOBODY is ready for Monster being YC3

[digital spear]

hey

[digital spear]

hey

[buoyant comet]

Meeting WB and wanting to throw hands because he ripped a letter afterwards takes BALLS

[digital spear]

nobody is a true Rockstar fan until he knows one crucial detail about Rockstar

which I can tell you now

[haughty saddle]

I got a rockstar sticker at the one piece cafe yesterday. They knew who I fuckin was.

[digital spear]

ROCKSTAR IS A BLACKBEARD PIRATES MEMBER AND HES SPYING ON SHANKS

[haughty saddle]

(They didn’t have any Bepo stickers left 😔)

[buoyant comet]

!nevercook

[tropic nova]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/294551467820580864/1133027499652165743/nevercookk.png?ex=66017b96&is=65ef0696&hm=0956b22048302348dc9364bd3e06f4a7dfac56ed0525d7ba715dd12d12ce7059&

[prisma yacht]

!cookagain

[buoyant comet]

Calling Rockstar a traitor is crazy work

[grand flower]

York should be in Blackbeard pirates

[prisma yacht]

!cook

[tropic nova]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1211111343852228638/1217510693411229746/cook.png?ex=66044a31&is=65f1d531&hm=fda7fc91afb3dda1c7a90192efda3372e268931d0bcc5db2b97d635b65b260ae&

[buoyant comet]

That guy was ready to die because his captain was insulted

I'm not gonna let y'all downplay his character

[haughty saddle]

He’s down as fuck

[buoyant comet]

He's a man amongst men

[haughty saddle]

Haki off the charts

[buoyant comet]

Stop trolling gang I'm being serious Rockstar is a actually a great person

[haughty saddle]

Jean Bart took a shot from Van Augur which shattered a Cracker soldier that G4 Luffy couldn’t shatter. Jean Bart took it to the chest no issue. Rockstar is higher than that.

WHO SAID IM TROLLING?!

YOU JUST DONT SEE THE WEAVE, MAN

[digital spear]

listen and learn
#also-manga message #also-manga message

[prisma yacht]

probably wanted something to spur up between them

omg yc u really have a whole ass theory on it

[haughty saddle]

Yogurt Can is a serious rockstar fan. What can be said?

[buoyant comet]

I promise I'll read it and respond to it later. I'm not at full brain capacity rn I need time to charge up 🧘

[digital spear]

no problem

[haughty saddle]

YC our ship name would be YogurtCam

[prisma yacht]

[grand flower]

I’d make one change

[digital spear]

[tranquil blade]

I just realized miku isnt angry in that pfp

[grand flower]

Wassup

[tranquil blade]

I thought she was just mad for no reason

[grand flower]

Theres always a reason

[digital spear]

Sorry if that made you scared

Shes just a goofy goober yeah

[craggy vapor]

are you playing naming your ship? I would name my ship Raging Heldalf

[digital spear]

Hardass name wtf

[haughty saddle]

I meant like if me and YC smooched or something but yeah that would be cool

[trim lily]

both equally valid interpretations

[digital spear]

Wholesome Viking Yaoi

[stone tulip]

MMBF being a former holy knight is possible or at least god blade, this would prove Shiryu right after all too.

[prisma yacht]

shiryu?

[digital spear]

Shiryu thinks the mmbf is from the WG

[prisma yacht]

oh yeahh

https://tenor.com/view/american-psycho-willem-dafoe-duh-duhh-obviously-gif-16794513

[muted hedge]

i think it's more possible that a holy knight was given this role to carry out and is doing so
i don't think that it can be a former holy knight, except if they were only a devoted blade i suppose

[stone tulip]

This is pretty cool, although I disagree with some of the stuff in this

[trim lily]

though his reasoning was that the WG kept it to themselves so no one else could get it

which we (probably) know isnt true

[stone tulip]

Shiryu theorized that MMBF is member of WG

[muted hedge]

would go along with the idea of a holy knight safekeeping it for the World Government then

granted immortality to make sure that they can do their job eternally

[trim lily]

the problem is why would they parade it around on the sea

just keep it locked up in mariejois lol

[digital spear]

Shiryu is like a bad one piece theorist who guesses something right for the wrong reasons (if its someone from the WG)

[muted hedge]

yeah...

[stone tulip]

It all depends on his aligns, either way it is very possible for that guy to have some connections with celestial dragons

[prisma yacht]

prolly doesnt know shanks and shamrock are the same guy

[trim lily]

silly shiryu didnt consider all aspects of his theory before posting it to main

[digital spear]

Ivankov would never hes a good theorist

[stone tulip]

They aren’t at all lmao

[muted hedge]

it would be cool if it was someone who was forced to do it, almost like to expell a sin they've commit previously

similairly to how Zunesha was cursed to roam the seas etenrally

maybe someone was forced to safekeep the poneglyph for all eternally

[stone tulip]

An equivalent to getting a right answer to math problem despite using the wrong method

[trim lily]

it really does beg the question of how did the WG not get a poneglyph before all this

[stone tulip]

Possible

[trim lily]

where the hell did kaido and big mom find theirs

[digital spear]

Maybe they do and the mmbf thing is just a rumor to get more pirates and people who look for the One Piece

[vital heart]

Kaidos was alr in wano

[digital spear]

The mmbf is some guy who lures in pirates

[trim lily]

oh right

[vital heart]

Big moms the real question

[trim lily]

that’d be fun

[fiery otter]

big mom prolly ate sm1 who had the poneglyphs

[trim lily]

though i don’t think it’s the direction oda will go

[cloud ember]

Where did out road pineglyph go mamma? Suspiciously poneglyph shaped big mom

https://tenor.com/view/big-mom-charlotte-linlin-vs-brook-soul-king-gif-13404911139983691917

[trim lily]

big mom ate a poneglyph being the counterpart to kaido is a poneglyph

[glacial bear]

The snow & ice storm happening across the United States today is an Aokiji Kuzan upscale

[digital spear]

I really wonder where she found it

[fossil nimbus]

Which is Loki upscale

[digital spear]

Its the only unexplained one

[fast pagoda]

What would you change?

[digital spear]

Oh cool I love autism imma read this now

[fallen meteor]

i think those theories are funnier if they are not related to what the character does

like uhh kaido ate a poneglyph

law is one

[muted hedge]

Ragnir being a poneglyph could've been cool, though it didn't make much sense when you take into consideration everything that has been said about the man marked by flame

[digital spear]

Kuma ate the poneglyph devilfruit

[fallen meteor]

the source https://x.com/wwonkoo/status/2015104778599080183

BLUFFY (@wwonkoo)

ONE PIECE x POKéMON 3

"I have my crew!"

X · Jan 24, 2026, 4:49 PM

[muted hedge]

not making Nami a Meowth is criminal

[digital spear]

This shit is so good I could die

[vital heart]

Maybe she got it from Elbaf. Looks like all major VC nations had a road poneglyph: Wano, Zou, FMI (before MMBF)… maybe the 4th was on Elbafs heaven realm and then BM took it while Harald was gone lol???

@muted hedge @fallen meteor @fast pagoda @trim lily

[maiden crystal]

wat is vc nation

[upper rose]

Franky should be a hariyama who converted himself into an iron hands

[fallen meteor]

voice chat nations

void century

[maiden crystal]

oh voice chat

[fallen meteor]

makes sense
idk about the heaven realm part tho

i feel theres a reason oda isnt showing that part

something crazier

[digital spear]

Yeah I thought this too maybe she got it during the Loki wedding situation which Oda retconned out of the manga

[glacial bear]

It’s where Usopp lineage is from

He’s a god and heaven is his home

[formal wagon]

usopp is descended from the pinnochio god

[glacial bear]

[small ember]

Loki’s son…Charlotte Jormungandr

[trim lily]

loki gave it to her as a dowry

[hallow herald]

Shanks’s flag looks like Harald and Shanks is basically the only pirate Harald had a close tie to in this Flashback aside from Rocks. I been saying since 1155 that Harald and Rocks are meant to foreshadow Shanks. Harald is the Shanks to Rocks’s Blackbeard.

[trim lily]

wow they really do look alike

[hallow herald]

the 3 that the scar, the shamrock, and cerberus represent

🫂🫂🫂

[scenic dirge]

I really hate that the RHP Jolly Roger doesn’t have actual hair on its head. More like the red scar pirates amirite??

[hallow herald]

can we finally talk about the number 11 / parallel line symbolism and how it ties everything in the series tgt

[trim lily]

wait till you see the blackbeard pirates flag

[hallow herald]

the number 11 and the hoju are crucial to understand all this imo

[fallen meteor]

maybe its not a scar on the skull

[prisma yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/gohan-its-so-peak-gohan-crying-gohan-its-so-peak-peak-gif-11211568239007237362

[fallen meteor]

maybe shanks isnt even the first captain

[digital spear]

its one of the first ever jolly rogers we saw, so its pretty basic

[hallow herald]

did we see shanks’s flag in the flashback? ion think so

[digital spear]

true they were pretty close, and Xebec and Harald fought too

[trim lily]

i wonder what his jolly roger was before he got scarred

[hallow herald]

the red hair thing ties to Rocks’s JR and then the skull to Harald

it like confirms the parallel to both characters

[formal wagon]

did you ai cereal spit 😭

[digital spear]

LOL

[trim lily]

[scenic dirge]

Google images

But I didn’t realize it was a png

Whoopsie

Dead chat

[hallow herald]

this is why it matters that Harald and Rocks’s stories both end with them under government control begging to die

Loki directly compared Shanks to Rocks

were yall on the Prometheus topic

[prisma yacht]

yeah

lol

[hallow herald]

cuz yea Shanks is fs our Prometheus

[formal wagon]

prometheus snowmetheus she theseus me metheus

(just my opinion)

[fallen meteor]

i was going to post a big message with really cool insight on something everybody isnt discussing and it would flip the channel around to bright topics but i saw the ai cereal spit and decided to delete it

[formal wagon]

ai cereal spit

[fallen meteor]

this message makes me really anxious

[formal wagon]

intended purpose

https://tenor.com/view/pop-smoke-gif-18443829

[distant vine]

I had a thought either earlier today or yesterday

What if Shanks captured Kid and his crew lol

Oda could save Kid that way

[fallen meteor]

i thought about that a few weeks back

what if they just went down on the ocean and got them right after the pov moved away

[distant vine]

You could make the rebbutal that we probably would have been shown Kid when we saw Red Hairs vs Barto

Like how we saw Pudding during Law vs BB

[fallen meteor]

but its not entirely a full deny

oda could just now wanted to show it there to make the reveal better later on

[cold steppe]

Idk it felt like oda got him out of the way

More of a deletion than defeat

[fallen meteor]

i really dont get this when reading that

to me it was more of a 'so their story gets postponed for later' move

basically a 'see they are not ready' and then he introduces their story of how they got ready later on

[warm sierra]

Getting ready for what? I dont think Oda could make it any more clear that Law and Kid are out of the race for the One Piece

[fallen meteor]

i think its a size of the story thing?

like to me we still have a lot to go through even it being the last arc

other people think its like elbaf > last war > finding the one piece

[warm sierra]

Its the last saga and not last arc but the story not being over soon doesnt mean there is space for a lot more of kid and law imo

[ashen perch]

I do think they're essentially out of the race now but we're gonna see them make some last attempts to re enter it

[wraith mantle]

whos excited for spoilers in a few days?

[ashen perch]

Kid is going to get involved with Cross Guild, Law's gonna try to get his crew thats likely been kidnapped by BB

[scarlet nacelle]

i mean we saw bepo alive reacting to vegapunk speech

[ashen perch]

Well I'm excited for chapter

[scarlet nacelle]

and it'd be a weird choice to keep bepo alive

but not law

[warm sierra]

Where did I say law or kid for that matter is dead?

[scarlet nacelle]

fair

[deep chasm]

Kid cross guild? YUCCKKKKKK

[prisma yacht]

i believe we gonna see how the jimbei n gang will go free from the gunkos bindings or whatever

[ashen perch]

Oh no he's gonna try to fight them, not join

[deep chasm]

they may be out of the race but joining cross guild is nasty thats for washed up warlords

[deep chasm]

okay sure, why would he be doing that tho

[warm sierra]

Kid has been humbled before and didnt give up and law has to look for his crew but it feels way too symbolic of a choice to have the three split and have both law and kid lose and luffy succeeding

[ashen perch]

He said Buggy was the one yonko that pissed him off the most, and remember that he has the map to the treasure of John

[deep chasm]

I dont know that Kid goes straight from losing to shanks to trying to kill another yonko, just a narrative thing

[ashen perch]

And with Kid being all but confirmed to be John's son

[fast pagoda]

I think a Law kid joint crew may even be a possibility at this point

[deep chasm]

there's probably going to be something more than just oh I wanna kill this yonko now

[warm sierra]

Well we dont know kids relation to john at all so thats a big reach rn

[ashen perch]

It's gonna lead to him getting involved with Buggy

[deep chasm]

if anything he'd probably train to beat shanks again

[fast pagoda]

That is not hinted at at all lol

[ashen perch]

Well lets be real

[scarlet nacelle]

i'd say the utmost we'll see out of the 2 is them making brief apperances in the final war

[fast pagoda]

Just because they have the same fruit doesnt mean anything

They dont really look alike

[ashen perch]

They have the same epithet too lol

[warm sierra]

Is the baroque works agent also a rocks pirate kid?

[deep chasm]

yea nah I dont think thats his kid either

[ashen perch]

Its been speculated for a while cause of the same epithet and now there's the same fruit, even used a metal arm on the same arm lmao

[prisma yacht]

thats so stupid tho

[deep chasm]

regardless I dont think Kid is gonna nearly die by shanks and be like hmmmm lemme go try Buggy now

[deep chasm]

but it fits his character more

the training part makes sense of it too. if he actually puts effort into getting stronger before attacking again, and I could imagine he wont get the chance to challenge shanks before final war starts

[prisma yacht]

narratively we are far from attacking yonkos tho
like bb is the exception since he is the potential antag

[deep chasm]

but Im saying it wont actually happen

it'd just be his goal

[ashen perch]

He could because ultimately he's interested in taking down Emperors, and again, he said Buggy being one pissed him off the most

[prisma yacht]

i see

[deep chasm]

He starts to train to take on shanks again, but doesnt get the chance before final war

[deep chasm]

Yea and then he got beat by shanks again so theres a good chance thats no longer the case for him

[ashen perch]

That doesn't mean that Shanks disappears from his grudge list, he'll make his way back to it

[prisma yacht]

hm i can see that

[ashen perch]

But I don't think he will immediately

[deep chasm]

well he might not do anything revolving around any yonko immediately

but if he had to pick one that would probably be shanks

[prisma yacht]

shanks will die before kid gets his chance

[maiden charm]

Talking about loki?

[deep chasm]

I do not see Kid actually getting a chance to fight any yonko before final war starts tho, unless its luffy ig, but dunno if we have time for that

[prisma yacht]

yeah he so stupid

[fast pagoda]

None of that hints towards them actually being related

[maiden charm]

Interesting, continue

[wet condor]

There will be no time spent on Kid fighting another Yonko unless it's part of a coaltion or something like that

[ashen perch]

I mean your main argument is their appearances when I don't think that really matters, they have enough in common lol

[wet condor]

There isn't going to be a fight dedicated to him fighting Shanks or anything like that any time soon. If Loki still has a grudge against Shanks, then maybe he and Loki fight Shanks

I remember seeing people say something about Kidd Loki and Blackbeard fighting Shanks

[upper drift]

Aren't kid pirates disbanded? How is he challenging anyone anymore?

[deep chasm]

disgusting take, not worth our time

[deep chasm]

if theyre not dead theyll be back to pirating soon

[wet condor]

Which I was like, that'd be a way to make major characters all relevant. A time saver in a way lol

[wet condor]

I actually don't mind this

I just know that Kidd isn't going to be getting a 1 on 1 fight with Shanks

[deep chasm]

kid loki and blackbeard is a stupid combination I fear. Blackbeard and loki maybe if the strawhats were fully gone or something

[wet condor]

There aren't going to be any panels dedicated to that like the fight with Kidd, Law and Big Mom

[deep chasm]

but kid is not going to be fighting on same side as BB for anything besides maybe Imu

[deep chasm]

yea kid just wont get another chance on shanks

[upper drift]

Hmm sure but would it be the case since the narator said they are cooked? I mean im not against it but if the narstor declared they are over, they eill un-over themselves? It's watering down the story

[deep chasm]

I mean Im pretty sure something similar was said for the strawhats in sabaody

it just says they were demolished or whatever

doesnt mean theyre necessarily dead or cant come back

[upper drift]

Maybe

[wet condor]

Sucks for Kidd

[upper drift]

Idk

[wet condor]

Kidd should get a good 1 vs 1 fight with someone

But I don't see it ever happening

I don't know what he does in the final war

But he will be there

[deep chasm]

I mean id love if he got shine cuz I feel kid and law are underutilized

but like

idk, best possible option for them is probably a gorosei I guess? but even that I dont know if theyre gonna be important enough for

[upper drift]

Kid more than law. Law got plenty of time but thats normal since he is a fan favourite

And he is deffo getting more time due to the fruit he has

[deep chasm]

I would say a holy knight should be a fair matchup for them, even tho itd lowkey be low bar

[maiden charm]

I've seen enough. Kidd will fight fujitora in the final war

[deep chasm]

I think a gorosei or an admiral each would be great, just not sure if theyll be given that level of importance in the final war

[wet condor]

Very low. Kidd should crush guys like them if it wasn't for the regen cheese lol

[deep chasm]

yea

[wet condor]

Let Kidd fight an admiral actually

[upper drift]

Id rather see admirals clashing with SHs tbh

[deep chasm]

we only got so many admirals to fight is the issue, especially if fujitora switches sides

[upper drift]

Yes too few admirals

[deep chasm]

Like Id def be down for law vs kizaru and Kidd vs greenbull but even then if fuji switches its a good chance its fuji vs greenbull

[upper drift]

Who would you have fighting sanji then?

Cause zoro has acoc rn so maybe gorosei?

But sanji?

If not an admiral

[deep chasm]

I mean thats what Im saying it depends

[deep chasm]

hes getting acoc

so if law and kid are on admirals, yea sanji can have a gorosei

[sharp venture]

what is acoc😭

[deep chasm]

advanced conquerors haki

[sharp venture]

Ooooh

Thanks

[maiden charm]

This might sound crazy. But I don't see kidd beating any admiral rn

[deep chasm]

I mean thats fine many people dont

[upper drift]

Zoro would have to get another powerup to be on the same field i don't see what so that's why i hesitate to believe it

[maiden charm]

Greenbull maybe

[scarlet nacelle]

"might sound crazy" most mentally sane statement ever divised

[deep chasm]

I believe his feats with law against big mom make them around the admiral level, but even if not they have time to grow stronger

[maiden charm]

You never know here

[deep chasm]

I dont understand what youre saying. Zoro isnt stronger than mihawk yet, so ofc he'll get another powerup

[upper drift]

Sure sure it's likely. It's just what i can't think of anything "tangible". He has no fruit or special genes or anything. Maybe another grade of haki?

[maiden charm]

Haki is the only way

[deep chasm]

I mean yea probably lol. Im just saying for the sake of this convo theres no doubt he'll get stronger

and sanji gets acoc so we gucci

[distant vine]

I guess Law vs Kizaru could be fun

[maiden charm]

Or enma gets shamrocks cerberus in my perfect world

But the black blade seems the most likely

[scarlet nacelle]

think he'll get all blades blackened?

or only like 1

[maiden charm]

Tbh ,only 1

Emma seems the closest but wado deserves it

[scarlet nacelle]

wado been round since the jump

[maiden charm]

Exactly, day 1s gotta eat too

[scarlet nacelle]

and enma is never gonna truly be all zoro's in my eyes. this is just a feeling thing and not an actual ground though

[muted hedge]

https://x.com/tttaki_taki/status/1803347846349070736/photo/1

takita 🥐 (@tttaki_taki)

here's both of them side by side

X · Jun 19, 2024, 8:43 AM

[distant vine]

It depends on how difficult it is

If you can only realistically blacken one he'll do Wado

I can see him doing Wado first and then the other two tho

[maiden charm]

I see where your coming from. But in a sense, zoro going through that taming process during the king fight would be pointless,no?

[scarlet nacelle]

[distant vine]

Like if everything but Wado gets knocked away from him

Thatd be cool imagery

[maiden charm]

I don't see any reason there should be a limit on how many swords you can blacken. But atp you're arguing quality v quantity

[muted hedge]

Kuina's blade should become his first black blade at least

[grand flower]

Zoro is gonna make all three Blacked Supreme Grades

[muted hedge]

probably

[maiden charm]

Definitely, Wado ichimonji never folded

[muted hedge]

it's also the one who he is most attached to

[timber glacier]

think the wado will get some wacky ass ability like enma?

[muted hedge]

i wouldn't be against Zoro feeding at least one of his swords a devil fruit

[maiden charm]

Emma has an ability?

[timber glacier]

ya the absorbing haki shit

[maiden charm]

That just the nature of the sword

It did that because it didn't recognize zoro

[timber glacier]

well it did the same thing with oden

[maiden charm]

When did Oden do it

[timber glacier]

the sword absored haki with oden as well

it just does that

[muted hedge]

i don't remember but isn't Enma a cursed blade too

[timber glacier]

don't think so

[maiden charm]

Damn,nice pull. Completely forgot about that scene. Reneg what I said earlier. I think the sword just like that fr

I think wado will just end up like shisui

[timber glacier]

ya probably

[tranquil blade]

Yes

[muted hedge]

that could certainly explain why it has the trait of draining the users haki

[timber glacier]

don't think it was confirmed

[trim lily]

i mean it certainly seems very cursed

[muted hedge]

isn't Enma also a demon from hell of some kind

[trim lily]

in buddhist mythology yeah

[muted hedge]

yeah, demon king if i remember right

[timber glacier]

Ya Enma is the King of Hell

[muted hedge]

yeah

[tranquil blade]

Not confirmed but Kozaburo also literally talks about cursed blades during Zoro's little flashback in the King fight, which to me implies that it's cursed

[muted hedge]

it being cursed would be the most logical explanation so far

[fast pagoda]

Enma isnt really a demon hes just the judge

[tranquil blade]

The whole point of his conversation with kid Zoro is that cursed blades are a sign of a quality sword since they're tools meant to kill people

[fast pagoda]

Hes a chill guy

Hes like the afterlife guy in dragon ball

[muted hedge]

makes me wonder if Yoru also is a cursed blade, one which Mihawk managed to tame

[trim lily]

does a blade being cursed even mean anything

[blazing mantle]

Do you think it also sucked up odens arm when he first tried using it

[blazing mantle]

Not really

[trim lily]

how does a sword have a will

[tranquil blade]

A little, it means they're swords that the user has to tame in order to use properly

[blazing mantle]

Kikoku is cursed but nothing ever happened with that

[timber glacier]

Probably then got used to it like zoro

[blazing mantle]

So idc if Oda really cares

[tranquil blade]

Well Law may have tamed his blade offscreen

[blazing mantle]

Fair enough

[ornate tartan]

cerberus 🐶

[tranquil blade]

He's had it for like

A long time

[blazing mantle]

Who else has a cursed sword

[muted hedge]

what's Laws sword called now again

Kikuboto?

[blazing mantle]

I thought it would have been relevant if Oda specifically pointed it out

[tranquil blade]

Kikoku

[blazing mantle]

Kikoku

[muted hedge]

oh damn right

[trim lily]

isnt it ungraded too

[timber glacier]

Kikoku

[blazing mantle]

No grade

Just cursed

[trim lily]

freak sword

[muted hedge]

ungraded cursed sword

[tranquil blade]

Well not really when Law doesnt solely use his sword even if he has some sword skills

[trim lily]

i wonder if we'll ever meet the sword association behind sword grading

are they like the psa

[tranquil blade]

The sword itself is a little less relevant to Law's character than swords are for Zoro

[ornate tartan]

only cursed swords are kitetsus and law sword

[tranquil blade]

It's just Mihawk

[blazing mantle]

Are there any moments of law just sword fighting without his fruit

[blazing mantle]

He’s too lazy for all that

[muted hedge]

i hope we actually get to find out how Mihawk got Yoru

[blazing mantle]

Goodness gracious

[tranquil blade]

[blazing mantle]

Flashback soon

[muted hedge]

it's such an important sword, given it's the world's strongest blade

and the form of it, it's something special for sure

[blazing mantle]

Are there no clips or am I dumb

[maiden crystal]

katakuri got WG propaganda irl

[trim lily]

i dont think that exists

[blazing mantle]

I must have skipped the chapter where he held off a yonko

[trim lily]

if katakuri was in wano he couldve handled kaido

[ornate tartan]

katakuri is scaled so high😂

[trim lily]

oda knew he was too strong so he got beat by oven

[ornate tartan]

just cause of his fight scenes

[tranquil blade]

Katakuri is riding off the hype moments and aura from WCI

It's all the middle aged man has

[blazing mantle]

Are you sure about this

[muted hedge]

Sabo being this slept on is freightening

[maiden crystal]

yea they treat that man like he beat eos katakuri and lost to plot

[blazing mantle]

Middle aged man who still lives with his mother

[maiden crystal]

nigga is 50

[blazing mantle]

But that’s most of big moms kids

[trim lily]

as sure of it as uta coming to elbaf

[blazing mantle]

He got more votes than yamato

[blazing mantle]

Knock it off

[olive sigil]

He’d probably get knocked out by kaido’s aura

[blazing mantle]

Nah

[muted hedge]

by 2% lol

[olive sigil]

That’s a lot of votes

[blazing mantle]

Has a conqueror ever knocked out another conqueror with their haki

[muted hedge]

though it's clear that people just pick the character they think is coolest and that's Katakuri i guess

[blazing mantle]

Sabo lowkey cooler

[olive sigil]

Yeah kat over Yamato

[blazing mantle]

Wow it’s sanjuan wolf

[tranquil blade]

No

[muted hedge]

rarely do these votes have any legitemate thought behind them, people just pick the character who they like more than the others

[olive sigil]

Hi barley

[trim lily]

correct

[blazing mantle]

Has a character without conquerors ever beaten a character with conquerors

And not like round by round

Like just straight up defeat

Kuma let them go

Doesn’t count

[kind sluice]

Is there a break this week

[trim lily]

do you count chinjao

[blazing mantle]

Garp beat him

[trim lily]

yes

didnt lao g beat chinjao

[kind sluice]

Bro

[blazing mantle]

Errrrrr

[kind sluice]

Might as well say its biweekly atp

[blazing mantle]

Let’s ignore that

[kind sluice]

Wtf

[blazing mantle]

We’re not bringing back biweekly piece

[olive sigil]

Does it have to be on screen?

[tranquil blade]

Pretimeskip maybe

[kind sluice]

What difference is there

[blazing mantle]

Nah it’s fine

[ornate tartan]

it’s not

[blazing mantle]

Sometimes Oda locks in

[ornate tartan]

there’s about to be 3 chapters in a row

[kind sluice]

Maybe

[blazing mantle]

Didn’t he drop like 4 chapters that one time

[kind sluice]

How do yk

[ornate tartan]

this is how it is every new year

[kind sluice]

Oh

[olive sigil]

So if a character with conquerors got beat up constantly by a character with none it counts?

[rigid hedge]

G have bet chinjaou

[olive sigil]

Alvida used to beat up Koby

[frozen ravine]

massive alvida upscale

[olive sigil]

Nami beats Luffy all the time

[olive sigil]

That was pre fruit Alvida

[kind sluice]

Wait shouldn't that mean leaks should still be next week

[trim lily]

yeah

[ornate tartan]

there’s a chapter this week

[trim lily]

wait was the chapter this week

[kind sluice]

Idek

I'm lost

[ornate tartan]

the official release is on monday feb 2 in japan and feb 1 in the west

[trim lily]

yeah no the chapter was last week

[frozen ravine]

one piece was an illusion there are no more chapters

[kind sluice]

Ohh

[ornate tartan]

tcb is thursday

[kind sluice]

I got confused cuz i thought 1171 was this week

[ornate tartan]

1171 was last week

[kind sluice]

Yeah

[dense rapids]

Swear these two look related sometimes 😂

[muted hedge]

https://x.com/WaterDraws__/status/2015161045816320029/photo/1

Water (@WaterDraws__)

Garp #ONEPIECE

X · Jan 24, 2026, 8:33 PM

[prisma yacht]

@long basin

[prisma yacht]

lmaoo

[grand flower]

Buss down Lokianna

[dapper tree]

[blazing mantle]

She’s literally just fem Blackbeard

[graceful grove]

chapter week chapter week

[blazing mantle]

It’s taking forever

[graceful grove]

cousins

[blazing mantle]

How do some mangaka get so many breaks and then others don’t

[dense rapids]

They have same blood type so could be

[blazing mantle]

They got the same hat

[dense rapids]

Yea even with the flowers and feathers

Just rotated and different color

[graceful grove]

oda owns his publishers balls

he know he can get away with anything

[blazing mantle]

Their braids kinda look similar too

[blazing mantle]

Could any other jump mangaka do this

[dense rapids]

Ur right

[glacial bear]

Catarina Devon vs Nami confirmed? Top woman of each Yonko crew

[blazing mantle]

Idk any other similarities rn

[graceful grove]

kishi back in the day probably

[blazing mantle]

Nami or Robin

[blazing mantle]

He should have made more spinoffs to keep the ball rolling

Now he’s stuck with Boruto

God rest his soul

[graceful grove]

Devon goes for the best looking female so it will be Robin

[graceful grove]

lol he has disowned it

[blazing mantle]

Rip to him

Kubo could come back

[blazing mantle]

Then we could have the big 3 again

[blazing mantle]

There’s no way they aren’t related

[graceful grove]

im almost done with my 3rd naruto rewatch almost time for shippuden

[blazing mantle]

Damn near twins

Who’s older though

Blackbeard or Devon

[maiden charm]

Nice, I started my second but swapped to dragon ball and jjk for a Lil

[graceful grove]

he just dropped the ball after some pressure

[maiden charm]

Blackbeard

[blazing mantle]

Animes gonna redeem him

I meant like new arc manga

[blazing mantle]

By how many years

[graceful grove]

all the new shonen drove me to another rewatch xd

[blazing mantle]

We don’t even know anything on Devon’s actual past

I’ve somehow reread all of the big 3 except Naruto

[fast pagoda]

I love Devon

[blazing mantle]

Idk what’s the hold up

[fast pagoda]

She has a cool fruit and design

[maiden charm]

Like maybe 6-7 . I think he's the second oldest then laffite being the oldest

[blazing mantle]

Needs more screentime

All of the newer titanic captains do

The ones he got from impel down

[fast pagoda]

Yeah

[blazing mantle]

The mocktown group was fine

[fast pagoda]

To be fair none of them have gotten much screentime except Kuzan and Burgess

[blazing mantle]

But they got new fruits

[graceful grove]

i don't think ill do a Bleach again. if i did it will only be upto Aizen

[blazing mantle]

True

[fast pagoda]

I guess Pizarro was a big deal as well

[blazing mantle]

Yeah but who cares about him

[fast pagoda]

The way they've been treated so far affirms that they aren't Teach's final crew to me though

[dense rapids]

Wait yea her hair is braided like his beard

[fast pagoda]

He's obviously gonna get more members

[dense rapids]

He already did

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-caribou-caribou-one-piece-wano-swamp-gif-10808422904686243308

[fast pagoda]

Kuzan not staying

[blazing mantle]

Even more important members?

[fast pagoda]

Yeah Caribou

[graceful grove]

i have to. we unfortunately share same B'day

[fast pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/kaido-big-mom-rocks-pirates-wano-roof-piece-gif-26752543

[blazing mantle]

What does this mean

He’ll partner with another yonko?

[fast pagoda]

👀

[graceful grove]

BB crew is pretty much set

[fast pagoda]

They not Yonko anymore

[fast pagoda]

Kuzan is obviously not staying lol

I dont think hes a double agent or anything but hes gonna leave soon

[ornate tartan]

2 dead ppl

[dense rapids]

Blackbeard steals powers

Devon steals faces

Blackbeard was crying under a crescent moon

Devon is the crescent moon hunter

[blazing mantle]

The buggy is rocks son theory actually is true and the two brothers make a dual yonko alliance

[graceful grove]

that or gets killed

[blazing mantle]

No way bro

[fast pagoda]

I think a Blackbeard Buggy alliance is possible but it wouldnt last long

[blazing mantle]

Yeah Oda did that on purpose

[fast pagoda]

Teach would only want it for the Marine bounty money

[dense rapids]

My goat snaking Blackbeard first chance he gets

[blazing mantle]

But how exactly will they be connected

[fast pagoda]

But Teach wants to work for the Government the most

[dense rapids]

He doesn’t like him

[fast pagoda]

I could imagine a Blackbeard buggy alliance ending up like Hody and Decken in FMI

[distant vine]

I like how BBP fumbles about

Makes them just like the SH's

So its very believable to see them clash

"Oh they screw around and get wiped but it all works out for them anyways"

[graceful grove]

Buggy have ties to both SH and RHP. he has no reason to ally with BBP since they have 0 chance to reach LT

[fast pagoda]

Who do yall think joining cross guild

I think Moria, Perona, Weevil and Stussy

NOT doflamingo

[graceful grove]

croc would take him

[scenic dirge]

I think the only very likely addition is Moria (and yeah by extension Perona ofc)

Anyone else who knows

[fast pagoda]

Moria makes a lot of sense

[graceful grove]

i can see an alliance with Neo Mads. both will benefit from a deal

[fast pagoda]

Yeah

[graceful grove]

money for weapons

[fast pagoda]

I think Queen will come back for Neo Mads

[scenic dirge]

Even tho he’s my favorite villain, it is quite hard to see Doffy ever being willing to be a subordinate, especially to prop up a fraud like Buggy. At least with Kaido he knew he was out of his depth

[glacial bear]

Wapol perhaps

[graceful grove]

Neo mads alone don't have any place in the story

[glacial bear]

https://tenor.com/view/wapol-wapol-one-piece-one-piece-run-running-gif-14580654626727110956

[graceful grove]

unless they team up

[fast pagoda]

He would just try to kill Buggy as soon as he could. He doesn't care for the balance of the world the way Crocodile and Mihawk seem to

If Queen doesnt come back for Neo mads i would be disappointed tbh

[glacial bear]

Mihawk & Crocodile will keep Doflamingo in check. he’s outnumbered

[graceful grove]

he wanted to work with croc. this won't be much different

[scenic dirge]

So he just wouldn’t join them

[glacial bear]

And when Perona does join. Her ghosts can depress Doflamingo

[graceful grove]

technically he wouldn't be under anyone so it would work for him

[scenic dirge]

He wanted Croc to serve under him essentially

[wraith ingot]

Honestly we still don’t know crocodiles full strength. Who would win him or doffy

[scenic dirge]

I think the translation of that line in Marineford is messy

[graceful grove]

he got a reality check by Luffy

[glacial bear]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-pirate-festival-stampede-one-piece-stampede-one-piece-movie-stampede-gif-12565159576278200833

[scenic dirge]

I’m pretty sure he asks the question to croc in a “hey, come work for me” kind of way

[blazing mantle]

Toei will do anything but make filler episodes about the cover stories

[wraith ingot]

Isn’t this during the stampede movie? Goated movie

[graceful grove]

he would be more open to something like an alliance rn i'd say

[wraith ingot]

Istg 😭

[blazing mantle]

Yes

[glacial bear]

Like getting ganged up by Perona’s ghosts, and then having Mihawk & Crocodile stare you down is a good insurance plan

[blazing mantle]

I think a new one piece movie is coming this year

[wraith ingot]

?

[blazing mantle]

I can feel it

[glacial bear]

YESSSS. I loved stampede. It had so many characters and it was honestly super fun to see them all together

[wraith ingot]

Smokers fit was tuff icl

[blazing mantle]

I wish more characters got to do something instead of being cameos

[wraith ingot]

I heard katakuri would be a cameo there but didn’t see him

[blazing mantle]

I must have missed that

[wraith ingot]

Guys what’s are your top 3 arcs?

Marineford, then wano then dressrosa

[blazing mantle]

Impel down
Alabasta
Marineford

Not ordered

Do people consider water 7 and enies lobby different arcs

[wraith ingot]

Alabasta was too long, especially since it was at the beginning 😭

[prisma yacht]

wano water7/enies lobby marineford

[wraith ingot]

I think so

[prisma yacht]

i dont

[blazing mantle]

Do you consider impel down and marineford the same arc

[wraith ingot]

Enies lobby is like top 5 for me

[prisma yacht]

i dont

[wraith ingot]

Depends

[blazing mantle]

I haven’t met a one piece fan who didn’t have it in the top 5

[blazing mantle]

Interesting

[ornate tartan]

ennies lobby
dressrosa
marineford

[wraith ingot]

Marineford was my top

[dense rapids]

Wait Devon was also born in the south blue

[wraith ingot]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-one-piece-anime-gif-4502646032764566609

[dense rapids]

That’s where the god valley people were sent

[wraith ingot]

Devon?

[ornate tartan]

egghead during weekly and after a reread was ok to me

[dense rapids]

Devon

[ornate tartan]

but i’m really enjoying elbaph and it hasn’t even ended yet

[craggy vapor]

I watched Impel Down during a difficult time where I was depressed 24/7. It was the only thing that gave me a sense of joy in my hopeless existence.

[wraith ingot]

I caught up to onepiece in 3 months gng, then went to manga for elbaf

[blazing mantle]

You all caught up?

[ornate tartan]

arc is just getting started actually

[wraith ingot]

Yea

[blazing mantle]

Devon one of the titanic captains

[wraith ingot]

Titanic?

Is this some sbs stuff?

[blazing mantle]

No it’s in the story

Blackbeard’s commanders

[wraith ingot]

Ohhh

The drunk guy right?

[glacial bear]

Alabasta, Enies Lobby, Marineford.

[ornate tartan]

all of his crewmates are titanic captains

[prisma yacht]

yeah easy top 3 potential

[glacial bear]

I love arcs where everyone has a 1v1 fight

[blazing mantle]

Don’t they have some grunts

[dense rapids]

And we’re in the final act

[ornate tartan]

the goons on pirate island? idek if he considers them crewmates

[prisma yacht]

i dont think so

[blazing mantle]

Oh

[prisma yacht]

i dont want it to end so soon

[blazing mantle]

I mean they do what Blackbeard says

[ornate tartan]

nah this is the final act of elbaph forsure

[prisma yacht]

i want

atleast 35 more chapters

[graceful grove]

doubt it ends this year

[ornate tartan]

yea they feel like the grand fleet maybe they are loyal to blackbeard and he just lets them stay on the island

[blazing mantle]

Anything for the free manpower I guess

[ornate tartan]

elbaph will end this year imo, but around november

[graceful grove]

are u factoring in oda breaks?

[ornate tartan]

even with oda breaks

[grand flower]

Elbaph will be longer than Wano

[ornate tartan]

shouldn’t take more then 30 chapters to conclude the arc

[prisma yacht]

i wld love this

[graceful grove]

think it would be more than 30

expecting one more flashback and cutaways to outside world

[trim lily]

i think we can wrap this up in 30

[ornate tartan]

imu isn’t gonna stick around long

[trim lily]

i doubt we'll be getting a lengthy cutaway until the post-arc

[graceful grove]

there is a long overdue character improvements Oda been ignoring for a long time now and i think this is where he will get to them. since next 2 arcs looks to be BBP and LT

[ornate tartan]

after the main flashback of an arc oda usually wraps up the conflict in no more then 30 chapters

[graceful grove]

https://tenor.com/view/address-me-gif-3314967408153193330

[prisma yacht]

my guess is still next year by feb-march
if we get to see shs development this arc

[graceful grove]

35-45ch

[muted hedge]

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Gunko

X · Jan 24, 2026, 4:57 PM

[dense rapids]

Loki is free and they’re about to go up

We already got the big flashback of the arc

Only thing left is the final battle and saving the kids

[fast pagoda]

Omg

[grand flower]

I’m saying!!!

[prisma yacht]

and shs development

[craggy vapor]

I upgraded a HIMeme

[prisma yacht]

also it feels like theres still more to cover for the plot

[graceful grove]

yup. and the D clan have ties to Elbaf

[dense rapids]

?

[graceful grove]

VP is there so the tech improvements need to come here as well

Sanji, Franky, Sunny and probably nami could use some

[trim lily]

i really hope they destroy that clone box for vp

one of the knights needs to get on that

[graceful grove]

and Robin deciphering Elbaf bible

[graceful grove]

i'd celebrate it

[prisma yacht]

supposed to be an arc where the strawhats get their development

[trim lily]

other than usopp do the strawhats really need any

[graceful grove]

....

[ashen perch]

The only way Elbaf ends early is if Oda chickens out of a real ending here

[trim lily]

they had their respective arcs to explore them more

[graceful grove]

did u not see the state they are in rn?

[prisma yacht]

not really

[trim lily]

maybe luffy reckoning with the whole nika thing

[trim lily]

well power is a whole other thing, i assumed it meant like character development

[graceful grove]

Luffy actually learning what df he has and its actual use would be a start

[prisma yacht]

infact usopp has much more than brook and jimbei

[ashen perch]

Imu and the HKs get sent back, the giants get instantly converted, no real fights and it's more of a combined struggle to drive them out

[prisma yacht]

lets forget chopper for a sec

[ashen perch]

That sort of thing can resolve itself in 30 chapters

[graceful grove]

yea im talking more about developing powers. not back story

[trim lily]

i think we can easily still have proper fights here while also doing that

[prisma yacht]

well im talking about char development

[trim lily]

unless you mean like specific 1v1s (which is a snooze)

[ashen perch]

1v1s with real conclusions basically

[trim lily]

at this point i really dont want 1v1s

since we already know who theyll be going to

[muted hedge]

Elbaph being pretty much taken over, with only Hajrudin and Loki as the remaining giants fighting for their races freedom would make for a very climatic ending in my opinion

though i can see why people want the Straw Hats to rescue Elbaph immediately

[ashen perch]

I think any scenario that tries to end the arc within the next 25-30 chapters can't really involve these sort of fights that people are throwing around

[graceful grove]

it could end up with Imu mopping the floor with all of them and Luffy/Loki barley manage to send Imu back. forcing them to actually take a moment to work on themselves

[prisma yacht]

yeahh

[muted hedge]

i mean, Gaban would be the perfect mentor for them both

[ashen perch]

And to be clear I don't think ending the arc within 25-30 chapters is a good idea at all, not sure what people are thinking

[graceful grove]

he is already upset with how they have treated haki xd

[ashen perch]

But its just not gonna work, it cannot

[muted hedge]

yeah, really got that old man vibe
i adore him

[trim lily]

well you also have a very different vision of how things might end up arsal lol

i cant envision much else happening in this climax (that id like, anyway) so i think we could wrap it up in 30-35

[muted hedge]

i think it would be a waste if Gaban didn't get to share any of his vast experience

[dense rapids]

If Loki kills another holy knight imu automatically running away so either that’ll happen or Luffy will do some Nika stuff and force them back to the holy land

If that doesn’t happen then you’ll have to consider if Imu is even staying or if he’ll get forced back to the holy land due to what’s going on at the other end

Either the holy knights and Imu leave or the Strawhats are about to take a massive L

[grand flower]

Speaking of being sent backwards

[trim lily]

i feel like imu would rather take the chance to deal with loki than run away

the problem with harald dying is imu had no clue what caused it

[ashen perch]

I mean even if things don't play out like my vision exactly, the other visions are not exactly feeling right either

[dense rapids]

Yea in that case I don’t see the Strawhats winning this arc

[craggy vapor]

I agree. We should get BB’s crew jumping Usopp

[dense rapids]

I doubt they’ll be able to do anything with Imu rn besides killing the other knights

[ashen perch]

There are people expecting a full blown arc battle to playout in less than 30 chapters and I do not get what the hells going on for that to be constructed in their heads

[dense rapids]

And if they start killing knights Imu will just leave so he isn’t weakened

[graceful grove]

there is another one where Imu domi Loki and we get the first one where a character is saved from it after a hard battle

[warm sierra]

you think Imu never went possession again on the roger pirates?

[prisma yacht]

i can see the brook and gunko thing happening if imu decides to stay

[trim lily]

whatever the case, brook better be instrumental in beating imuko

its a bit cliche but we got cliches for a reason

[dapper tree]

Strawhats winning

Big Ws

[prisma yacht]

which wld make the arc lengthy

[dense rapids]

Brook and Usopp vs Imu

Luffy vs DR Loki

[dapper tree]

Imu gunko can't carry that hard

[trim lily]

they are kinda one of the final villains

[tranquil blade]

No guys the strawhats will definitely have an overwhelming defeat this time for sure

[dense rapids]

Strawhats not beating Imu this arc

[trim lily]

i cant wait for the grand fleet and dragon to arrive

[ashen perch]

Imu has decided to stay already

[dense rapids]

Someone is gonna be hype tooled

[dapper tree]

Imu is getting booted out

[prisma yacht]

[trim lily]

perhaps the grand fleet and dragon are already in the heaven realm

[tranquil blade]

Luffy could lose to Imu and this still wont be an overwhelming defeat

[dense rapids]

Gorosei scene but with Imu

[graceful grove]

scenario i think will happen is Imu will only get forced back after Gunko dies or somehow brook manage to recover her memories and we get a harald moment where she ask for it

[ashen perch]

Brook has to be the key to driving him out by force, that'll happen

[dense haven]

elbaf will fail

[muted hedge]

Gunko's talk about how Elbaph is a key part in the victors of the final war, makes me think that the World Government will have their forces under their control

only for the stakes to be even higher against Luffy and the others

[dense rapids]

I need to see Elbaph get Lulusiad

[dapper tree]

Yeah, but loki and luffy can actually deal with that

[trim lily]

thats such a waste of an island

[prisma yacht]

another close escape isnt happening

[trim lily]

we dont explore elbaf then it gets blown up so we can never revisit it again

[dense rapids]

We’re in the endgame

Everything is getting sunk anyway

[tranquil blade]

Would it even blow up the whole island

[muted hedge]

probably not

[dapper tree]

Gunko being possessed is not gonna be as strong as Imu really is

[trim lily]

it would hit the top of the tree

[graceful grove]

it has failed with the woke education system of no violence. whole country would be slaves now if SH wasn't there xd

[dense rapids]

There is gonna be some point in this arc where we see the underworld sink

[trim lily]

make elbaf great again

[dense rapids]

Loki will got saved in th nick of time

[tranquil blade]

Heaven realm is lost guys now we cant get a subplot about Urouge in Elbaf

[prisma yacht]

usopp and hajrudin will play crucial role for this

[muted hedge]

i've got a hard time thinking about what role Urogue could play

[dense rapids]

Urouge and Enel will appear during the same arc and we will get a flashback of birka being destroyed and Enel sending Urouge to the blue sea

[graceful grove]

that would be the best way to signal the final war. it don't need to happen in this arc but i hope it does at some point

[prisma yacht]

oh yes theres also the heaven realm

[craggy vapor]

here’s the thing: Maybe the one who got executed was Immortal Roger and after his execution he regenerated and sat behind Imu on the empty throne. Why? Because Imu wanted to start the great piracy era for a reason to be discussed.

[dapper tree]

The SHs gonna win

[trim lily]

finally ill be able to mark off one of my bingo spaces

[tranquil blade]

The heaven realm is the friends we made along the way

[dapper tree]

Would be hilarious

[tranquil blade]

Would this be a Loda moment

[dense rapids]

Ngl it’s either the holy knights and Imu get forced back or the Strawhats lose and escape

I want the L to happen

[dapper tree]

It won't

[trim lily]

the moral of elbaf is being progressive is bad and you should stick to tradition

goda

[dapper tree]

The holy knights are goobers

[muted hedge]

i'd prefer if the Straw Hats lose, until they finally pull through in the end of the final war

though that's probably not a popular take