also-manga

[fallen meteor]

Uhh blind living

[hot cairn]

peak

[fallen meteor]

Planting fake futures on their obs

[tranquil blade]

Mihawk did that

[muted hedge]

damn it this didn't work as i wanted

[mighty roost]

Obliviousness sparing

[muted hedge]

i was thinking something more like observation opening

but i didn't realize that it would be the reverse for observation too

https://klipy.com/gifs/spongebob-squarepants-seriously

anyways my point was that it would be the name of the techinque Shanks used to make a dream for Avery

[fallen meteor]

Advanced-er Observation

[torn stirrup]

oda where is he

[native seal]

heaven realm trust

[torn stirrup]

maybe that's where Birka used to be

[grand flower]

But he’s restored by the time that page happens @olive sigil

[final trench]

“Quit all that noise…im trying to pray”- THE mad monk

Barbell has similar beads to urouge so maybe they’re praying together

[spice cairn]

https://x.com/i/status/2013991963025158400

ほたジャニ (@hotajaniOP)

#ほぼ日ワンピきみにきめた
1.22 ペッツ&ポチエナ
パパたちみたいになれるかな？

X · Jan 21, 2026, 3:07 PM

[sly belfry]

share the urouge

[olive sigil]

Mosa is gone?

[hot cairn]

Urouge coming back is guaranteed fr, I don’t think Oda forgot about him

[hot cairn]

ye

[olive sigil]

My game is falling apart

[final trench]

Urouge went to the moon to rematch enel

[glacial bear]

Imu lulusia’d bro 😭

We are Socratesssss. We carry the flame!! 🔥

Fight for the Loki agendaaa. We’ll honor his name!

[final trench]

NAHHH THEY GOT THAT NIGGA FR??

[glacial bear]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-dolphin-pink-dolphin-gif-7385678

[final trench]

https://tenor.com/view/cakeuis-dj-khaled-gif-24296363

When shanks gets packed im next bro💔💔💔🥺

[rose rune]

https://tenor.com/view/dumb-porpoise-i'm-stupid-dumb-idiot-moment-porpoise-gif-4033995796839847017

[fast pagoda]

Socrates banned?

[gloomy tree]

yes

[fallen meteor]

https://fixupx.com/i/status/2013951248752382204

Pew (@pewpiece)

The government in China revealed that a local animation studio took part in the production of the One Piece remake by WIT Studio, and shared new production materials of Buggy.

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FixupX · Jan 21, 2026, 12:26 PM

The usual "its not cancelled" post

[ionic palm]

damn Socrates actually got purged, Big oof

[upper rose]

cabaji is genuinely pretty cool kinda unfortunate he's just fodder

f

what did socrates do was it just his last straw or

[ornate tartan]

🤣

[hollow ferry]

What were peoples reactions when they saw that imu mark on shanks arm? Cause it gives incentive for shanks to lose it. Kind of makes the scene where he lost it have less impact

🤔

It’s like he got rid of a burden

And not bet on luffy really

[sudden dock]

does gunko devil fruit work like a compass

[regal minnow]

Yo

Is black clover good?

[muted hedge]

why do you ask that in a One Piece server

[regal minnow]

Bc I’ve read onepiece

We’ll I’m reading

I’ve watched the stuff

Bro my school library is so shit they’re shelf is full of onepiece but it starts from BOOK 21

[hot cairn]

it’s taking so long I hope it’s peak

[hot cairn]

you mean to lose his arm or lose his senses like Harald?

[fallen meteor]

Check #other-series

[fallen meteor]

Im sure its going to be at least good

[rich hornet]

Nah it’s the opposite. He’s fully cutting ties with his heritage to bet on Luffy. It’s an upgrade to the symbolic gesture, and also he can’t be mind controlled anymore

[indigo yacht]

I’m so glad they kept the old style nd didn’t try to adapt it to the new style the manga uses

[hot cairn]

how can you tell they’re keeping the old style

[hot cairn]

I hope so

[indigo yacht]

The biggest tell is the gums

Oda doesn’t do this anymore

[hot cairn]

I also hope they get far

East Blue is not the section of the story that needs a revival

it’s anything post Alabasta

The pace sucks

[hot cairn]

ohhh

I see

I didn’t notice that

[indigo yacht]

I feel like it does tbh I’ve seen a lot of posts online that one piece wouldn’t survive in current jump but I think early piece would be just right

People forget how charming east blue is

[fallen meteor]

Maybe they launch it Netflix style and everything up to the timeskip at once

[ornate tartan]

it’s very charming

but the genre has kind of shifted recently

[rich hornet]

Just do the whole thing tbh

[ornate tartan]

to more darker tones

[ashen perch]

they should do the whole thing yea, cause there is no point in which the series has really been "well paced"

[hot cairn]

it is charming but the pace in the anime is good. The pace in the anime gets worse post Alabasta and unbearable post time skip. Those are the arcs that need the remake but I get starting there. Many people don’t like that old animation

[rain cedar]

New jump series are much much shorter as well

Maybe they don't want longer series anymore in the magazine?

[rich hornet]

The themes are consistent with one piece, only the scale has upped

[hot cairn]

I’ve been watching the OP anime with my folks and the anime really has horrible pacing

like even before the time skip it’s ridiculous

[hot cairn]

you think so? Wouldn’t they divided by seasons?

[rich hornet]

It’s always been showing the oppression of a tyrannical ruling class. Garling is basically Arlong, they’re all different flavors of the same evil

[hot cairn]

I hope they do but nothing is confirmed yet

[ionic palm]

I dont think anyone's capable of writing series that long anymore anyways

[hot cairn]

I agree, the pacing issues start post Alabasta

[rain cedar]

Yeah there are no more kishimoto, kubo and Odas lmao

[indigo yacht]

Eh I disagree there’s still a good amount of upbeat stories and one piece would fill that hole. Especially with comedy + adventure

[ashen perch]

Even East Blue has kind of got that old pacing style that isnt really appropriate anymore

also I wouldnt say post Alabasta cause like, Alabasta is kind of a slog too in the anime once you compare it with the manga

[ionic palm]

all of us could probably write a novel with as much content and arcs as One Piece and we'd probably still not be able to reach the length of it.

[hot cairn]

I think the audience has become more fast paced so the authors always try to get to the good stuff quick without the build up

[hot cairn]

yeah I guess that’s true

[hot cairn]

the fights are so slow in the anime

[ashen perch]

yeah there's been a shift since CSM/JJK/MHA, etc, manga tend to be faster paced in the magazine now

[rain cedar]

They're adapting to the brain rotted gen z lmao. Yeah, I think no one wants to invest in really long series

[hot cairn]

long series are better imo, the short ones have felt like they never get to their potential

[fallen meteor]

100% not happening lol i was just making a joke
It would take ages

[hot cairn]

I think OP would survive in the current era but it probably would be shorter

[ashen perch]

One Piece too is very fast paced now, it just doesnt feel that way to people because the scale of the series is just that big

[rain cedar]

I don't think the shift is all bad either. I mean there's not many authors who are capable

[hot cairn]

ah

[rain cedar]

Of writing for 2_3 decades

[indigo yacht]

They do but just not many authors who want to. The weekly grind is rough

[ionic palm]

ye the shift isnt an issue anyways, a majority of authors wouldn't be able to write for that long.

[rain cedar]

Oda is literally a beast

[hot cairn]

I wouldn’t say “fast”

[indigo yacht]

Most shonen last like 5 years give or take

[hot cairn]

but it has picked up the pace post Wano

[indigo yacht]

10+ years are outliers

[ionic palm]

most authors would probably end up dying or forced into early retirement because of the insufferable grind.

[hot cairn]

and then there’s Oda

[rich hornet]

Maybe it’s because we’ve been so used to the old pace, but this post Wano pace feels blazing fast

[indigo yacht]

Young Oda was the LeBron of shonen

[ashen perch]

I would if you compare it to older arcs, You look at Pre Onigashima and realize that its from a world that no longer exists lol

[hot cairn]

he must be very passionate about Op to be doing this shit for almost 30 years

[rich hornet]

It’s the release schedule that makes it not feel as fast

[ornate tartan]

he’s very passionate

[rain cedar]

It's funny because many people said wano had dogshit pacing

[ornate tartan]

and u got ppl calling him lazy when he takes a break😂

[high wolf]

People are dumb

[ionic palm]

Wano only felt dogshit in pacing because the length was just astronomically big :d

[indigo yacht]

It would survive in its own niche. There’s series similar to early one piece that are thriving right now!

[hot cairn]

well entering this fast pace OP does it more good than bad imo

[rain cedar]

Genuinely, like 60% of his life went into one piece 😭

[ornate tartan]

they don’t understand that the jump holiday break wasn’t a oda break

i’m pretty sure oda still worked one of those weeks

[indigo yacht]

Early one piece is more of acomedy adventure not a high octane battle shonen

[hot bear]

Same

[rain cedar]

Good investment

[hot cairn]

yeah that’s fair, but I think this was Oda’s only choice if he wanted to end the story in his lifetime

[high wolf]

[ionic palm]

Elbaph is fast paced and yet its probably still going to end up being the 3rd or 2nd largest arc by length in the end lulz

[high wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/all-roads-lead-to-rome-time-rabbit-gif-9497165517404307883

[ornate tartan]

just noticed the username 🥹

[hot cairn]

could you recommend some to keep them in mind for when I get bored and there’s no OP

[hot bear]

Yes I think , 30-40 chapters more for Elbaf.

[high wolf]

I have been converted for a week.

[hot cairn]

yeah the whole battle shonen era of OP started like in Wano

I think

[ashen perch]

well thats the nature of the series, a ridiculous amount of stuff has happened in these 45 chapters

[ashen perch]

true

[rain cedar]

Doubt Elbaf is going to be allat long considering Oda himself stated that one piece will be even faster this year in pacing

[hot cairn]

I agree

[rich hornet]

Even that feels a bit much

[indigo yacht]

Faster pacing

Slowing pacing

More fights

More flashbacks

Less fights

Slower pacing

Perfect. I hate flashbacks

https://youtu.be/TdPGWEFa6UM?feature=shared

[fallen meteor]

Oda lies every time he does an interview tho

[rain cedar]

He does but you can feel the pacing has been fast

[ionic palm]

and yet based on what we've covered so far, we're likely not even halfway through of Elbaph or what might be covered.

[hot cairn]

I was looking back on the 2025 year of chapters and so much shit has happened and we haven’t even cut away to the outside yet lol

[ashen perch]

I think the current pacing will continue, its already very fast, difficult to imagine things going even faster

[fallen meteor]

To me this just means Elbaf was going to be like 10 years on old pacing

[ionic palm]

in the next 5-10 chaps, the GKs are probably going to be driven out and then we're left figuring what else might be coming.

[rain cedar]

The arc might end up being shorter than you're imagining

[ashen perch]

we're 2 chapters into the year and there's been no difference in the pacing like people thought there would be based off Oda's statements

[hot cairn]

it’ll probably be at least 30 more chapters before the arc ends

[fallen meteor]

I want recommendations too

[hot cairn]

so maybe the rest of the year

[hot cairn]

you think it can end in less than 30?

[rich hornet]

Oh he can get faster. I’m not putting it past him to repeat the end of Wano at least one more time

[ashen perch]

yupp

[ionic palm]

I think you're lowballing the potential length Elbaph could reach. And I don't think Elbaph's ending in 30-40 chaps.

at the minimum, Elbaph based on what might be covered, might end in 50-60 minimum instead.

which would put us at 2-3 more years of this.

[rain cedar]

That's the main conflict. Once that's over, the aftermath usually isn't long

Buddy, how are you coming with those numbers

50-60 is wild

[ionic palm]

because I dont think the GKs are the main conflict. Or just the only conflict.

[ashen perch]

well I guess we'll see, I havent really felt any difference this year as I said

[indigo yacht]

If Oda was given a higher page count we’d probably get better paneling but he has to cram things into two pages and we end up with “wtf this paneling sucks Oda” posts on Twitter lmfao

[rain cedar]

The GK and imuko will be handled together.

[hot bear]

We will have

1. Brook - Gunko flashback
2. whatever Loki did in next 8 years until he was chained up by shanks
3. A teaser of joyboy and IMU flashback when IMU sees Luffy.
4. The whole fight
5. Likely some outsider may pop up during the fight.
6. We still don't know what is there in the heaven realm.

[rich hornet]

No, not yet. I’m mostly worried he will put himself in a position to rush here or there in this saga

[ashen perch]

hell, I would say this last chapter was perfectly paced. Very chill, allowed everything proper room to breathe, paneling and presentation was on point

[ionic palm]

oh wow, someone actually gets the point here

[rich hornet]

1 and 2 don’t need to happen this arc. 6 can very well be post arc transition

[rain cedar]

A lot of that can just be around 1-2 chapters

[hot cairn]

I don’t think Oda meant that the pace will be fast, just that a lot of shit will probably go down

[indigo yacht]

Second flashback

Maybe the illusive third flashback if we get Loki 8 years

[ashen perch]

yeah this is what I think as well

[hot cairn]

what makes you say that?

[pulsar path]

Give me my second Zorro flashback arc tho please

[indigo yacht]

He has no choice if he wants to finish the story within his lifetime

[hot bear]

And third flashback..likely 2-3 more short flashbacks coming.

[pulsar path]

The one that shows him awaken coc when he was a kid

[rain cedar]

I genuinely can't see a lot of content aside from the main conflict

People mention heaven realm

So ig maybe that?

[pulsar path]

I mean Oda will Oda

[hot cairn]

who is then?

[hot bear]

Likely heaven realm has the memorial of legendary sun god of Elbaf. Or it may be a doorway to the sky islands.

[ionic palm]

Elbaph elders, an outsider that comes out of nowhere, so on.

The former being a major plot point because of the old Elbaph traditions that were considerably part of the catalyst of what we've witnessed, especially regarding Loki.

[ashen perch]

we are at minimum 55 chapters away from the end, people are underestimating the arc and taking Oda's statement too seriously

[rain cedar]

Return of the queen

[indigo yacht]

Heaven realm will lead to the Birka arc and emerald city was in birka all along

[hot cairn]

yeah it’s time to stop being shady and reveal everything

[rich hornet]

Maybe, maybe not

[rain cedar]

and then we find Urogue on the sky Islands

[hot cairn]

I think the heaven realm will be like a post fight setting before we leave

[hot bear]

Yeah likely. What was his name. He is coming..the last supernova

[ionic palm]

Urouge giving us that Nika lore drop :3

[ashen perch]

I have posted it before, the evidence, that Oda's statement tend to take like 2-3 years to come true

[hot bear]

Yes Urogue

[indigo yacht]

How could you forget Urogue

[hot cairn]

but what makes you think that Imu and HK’s aren’t the main threat?

[hot bear]

I am bad at remembering names and numbers.

[indigo yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/urouge-one-piece-chad-gif-24955059

[ionic palm]

I did mention that it could also not be the only major threat.

[hot cairn]

might be less tbh

[ashen perch]

we're literally still in the middle of waiting for two of his statements to come true, even before this current one that makes it 3

[rain cedar]

Those are just events that he mentions right. He only talked about the pacing

[hot cairn]

no

[ashen perch]

I mean pacing too, he was off by a whole year about when WCI was going to end

[ionic palm]

Imu is on a timer right now due to what's happening in MJ, so it doesn't look like Imu wants to be there for long or have the GKs remain in Elbaph any longer than should've.

[rain cedar]

He's more likely to be correct now since we are in the endgame

[hot cairn]

but what makes you say that? We’ve gotten no indication of anything different

[ashen perch]

He said we'll exit WCI and enter Wano in 2017 and we entered it in 2018 lol

[hot bear]

Actually i don't have complains about the pacing. I loved god valley flashbacks too.

[ashen perch]

this is in the endgame though

[rich hornet]

The jump festa comments don’t matter. It’s that we are seemingly in the major conflict already

[rain cedar]

Btw what are those two statements? Im not aware

[hot cairn]

nah he’s still has been wrong about anything time related

in the final saga

[hot bear]

I will go with Oda.. whether it is fast or slow.

[ashen perch]

"and last but not least... it will finally happen. The long awaited clash between THAT person and THAT other person might just have an unexpected outcome" - Jump Festa 2024, December 2023
"Meanwhile, there will be tumult in other seas as well! And at last, that one guy will begin shaking up the world!" Jump Festa 2025, December 2024

These two

[rain cedar]

I'll admit that

[rich hornet]

We still have more than 5 years left of publication lol

[rain cedar]

Rightt

[hot bear]

I have said before..one piece will end in 2032

[hot cairn]

of Elbaph you mean?

[rain cedar]

Genuine question, how do you even gauge that they haven't happened yet

Like that person and that person

[hot cairn]

might be more years

[rain cedar]

And their fight. Can't that be referring to Godvalley

[formal wagon]

ummmmm

[rich hornet]

Who’s really been anticipated? The big one that comes to mind is Shanks/Teach

[ashen perch]

I mean none of the fights have fit that statement at all, thats how. GV didnt have any long awaited fight between two individuals.

[distant vine]

We cant forget how the narrator was glazing Rocks cause destroying the Gates of Justice??

[hot bear]

Oda can run it till 2050 if he wants. But I guess 7 years is max I wanna see , i don't want Oda to keep drawing at very old age. He should rest more and enjoy his remaining life

[ionic palm]

Imu's insistence to make it quick is a major part of why I dont think the GKs are the only major threat in the arc. Imu wants whatever the GKs are doing in Elbaph to be quick and not drag out because MJ's under siege, in this case, they might be driven out in a very short time because of Loki and Luffy. After that, it might seem over, but to me not really because in my perspective, they haven't dealt with the root with all of Elbaph's issues which are the elders.

And I want to say Big Mom as well but Im leaving her aside for now cause her fate is unknown etc. She was also a part of the mess Elbaph has been through because its still not public on what she did aside from hints that she hate Carmel and the kids which was how she got Carmel's DF powers.

[rain cedar]

I mean rocks vs roger and garp makes most sense but yeah, that's three lmao

[buoyant comet]

First statement might be Shanks vs Kidd. Second statement should be Dragon declaring war on the CDs

[rain cedar]

It was anticipated though

[ashen perch]

this is after Shanks v Kidd

[rich hornet]

Man there is no shot BM is an Elbaph antagonist

[royal orchid]

Oda when he realizes he's a week late to figuring out who that person and that person will be on the story

[buoyant comet]

Ah ok

[ashen perch]

yea, just not between two individuals

[ionic palm]

still wouldn't rule it out since she might not be dead and alot of the story and troubles regarding Elbaph can literally be traced back to her ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[rain cedar]

The unexpected part makes sense as well

[latent hamlet]

It was rocks vs harald

[rich hornet]

Narratively speaking, she’s dead. There’s no more juice to squeeze

[hot cairn]

we don’t know if Marijois is under seige and also one of the last things Imu said before the flashback was “let’s sit and observe how useful (the giants) will be in battle so there’s really no sense of urgency right now. If anything the arc might be shorter than you expect if the conflict with Imu and the HK’s is over soon.

Also BM as a secret antagonist? I don’t know nothing in the arc has hinted to indicate that.

[buoyant comet]

Coming back for revenge and disrupting the worst gen plans could happen but it'd be an asspull tbh

[haughty saddle]

People who write bad fanfiction believe Big Mom are coming back

[buoyant comet]

Also wait Big Mom might want to rescue pudding

[rich hornet]

It would be moving the story backwards

[haughty saddle]

It would be such a horrible writing blunder I can’t explain how bad it would feel

[ashen perch]

my fan fiction is quite good actually

[haughty saddle]

Holy fuck yeah let her have 3 MORE years of fucking panel time sure yeah

[ashen perch]

but the BM antagonist thing is not really an option, she will have a different role to play

[graceful belfry]

[haughty saddle]

She’s gone, she’s dead, let it fucking go

[royal orchid]

big mom's skeleton will return from the lava

[hot cairn]

yeah like cmon she’s been there enough

[buoyant comet]

I don't write fanfiction but like Oda does this stupid shit

[haughty saddle]

No dude you know who has a shot of coming back in Elbaph??? Doflamingo!!!!! Trust me bros!!!!!

[hot cairn]

I don’t see her coming as an antagonist for the 3rd time

[rain cedar]

She will be riding a lava homie

[haughty saddle]

You know who’s fucking coming back in Lodestar??? Kuro. So much potential bro.

Krieg will return in the final war trust me bro. Too many loose ends.

THE STORY IS ENDING WE’RE MOVING ON, BIG MOM IS DEAD, LAW AND KIDD WON

[hot cairn]

idk…

[ionic palm]

aight we get it Socrates jr

[haughty saddle]

woop slap will come back bro cmon there’s so much we have to see

[rich hornet]

I would bet money she is alive. But she just can’t be a major antagonist anymore or Oda actually is a hack

[haughty saddle]

Blow your own nuts off with a 9mm

[ashen perch]

Kuro, Krieg, Gin and Woop Slap are actually coming back though like

oh you didnt say GIn but still

[haughty saddle]

Gin will be back for sure. So much potential Arsal.

[buoyant comet]

Trust me I don't like her being alive one bit but judging odas track record there's a big possibility she's alive

[haughty saddle]

Oda said so!!!! Oda said so with Gin like 30 years ago!!!

[ashen perch]

Krieg and Gin have that Sanji thread to payoff, like quite literally yes theres a loose thread there

they are in Hachinosu for a reason

[buoyant comet]

Woop Slap?

[haughty saddle]

a flower planted 30 years ago that died 15 years ago has no payoff

[buoyant comet]

What's the mayor gonna do

[sly belfry]

when the hell does the bm bet get resolved man.... it was the first ever srever bet

[rich hornet]

Woop slap is the key to everything

[graceful belfry]

The bet goes on for infinity

[ashen perch]

Woop Slap was said to know the "big secret" behind the birth of Luffy in a databook 2 decades ago

[rain cedar]

After Elbaf, it's dead

[graceful belfry]

Even after the story ends

[buoyant comet]

I wonder if the big secret is his mother's identity or the fact that he was born as an egg

[ashen perch]

I would have agreed if they didnt appear in the island of the 2nd main antagonist of the series

[rain cedar]

Born as a what

[buoyant comet]

Luffy hatched from an egg 🙏

[rich hornet]

Luffy is the egg on the oro Jackson. Everyone knows that

[ashen perch]

of all the places to have Krieg and Gin return, Oda chose the big Pirate Island Hachinosu, its clear he is cooking something up here

[buoyant comet]

Lowkey tho wtf is that egg on their ship

[rain cedar]

I must be a speed reader

[ashen perch]

well probably his mother's identity lol

the egg is going to be a Roc, Morj is wrong

[rain cedar]

As always

As god intended

[ionic palm]

Morj being forever a clown after that raid will fail gibberish :d

[ashen perch]

A Roc with magical blood was central to Romance Dawn Prototype #1, Oda's going to bring that concept back to the series

[haughty saddle]

Im betting on cute cameo more than actual plot line payoff

If Sanji does end up having some sort of loose end tie up there, it would be him single handedly butchering them with one toe like 😭

[ashen perch]

thats what the egg on Oro is all about. Gaban is gonna reveal it this arc, trust

well yeah it doesnt need to be a big thing, Gin and Krieg just need to meet Sanji once and its resolved. Gin can go "hey I made it to the Grand Line like I said" before being pummelled into nothing by Sanji

and we can then move on

[latent hamlet]

Luffy vs koby at marineford type moment

[ashen perch]

exactly

[sturdy steeple]

Ass.

[hot cairn]

the staff is too filled with BM supporters, they don’t want to give up

[sly belfry]

@scenic dirge do something

[ionic palm]

there was a bet? :d

[sly belfry]

yeah 6 years ago

[ionic palm]

what was it cause I wasnt here during that time lmao

[sly belfry]

whether big mom would return as an antagonist

[ionic palm]

ah.

[rain cedar]

Can't we wait till the end of Elbaf

[sly belfry]

no

[rain cedar]

It's been on for so long, just wait another year

[ashen perch]

this is in the egg, Oda actually never addresses what this is all about in the oneshot

[ionic palm]

nah, Im down to leaving it until the conclusion of Elbaph

just for the lulz

[sturdy steeple]

It'd be great if they finally give up and resolve it by the end of the arc.

[ashen perch]

the main antagonist that wants Balloon actually has magical summoning like Imu btw

[rain cedar]

It makes sense because NO one will say "BM will come to lodestar"

[ashen perch]

uh Hachinosu exists

[sturdy steeple]

They might still keep saying she'll come back to WCI, lol.

[digital spear]

Was it really a Roc?

Romance Dawn really makes me wish Nami had a story with a cool bird like that

[ashen perch]

she will

and yea, it was the last Roc ever

[digital spear]

Top 10 Nami moments and its not even Nami

[runic dock]

Nah this is an Usopp foreshadow

Way to misread arsal smh

[ashen perch]

true...

[runic dock]

Really want more on that egg tho…

[ashen perch]

The bird is meant to be Proto-Nami Ann's best friend, this is what she will get to beat Mars btw

[runic dock]

It’s gonna be something important not throwaway

Watch

[runic dock]

hmmm

[prisma idol]

We need to let Nami ride Zeus but Oda locked that away by making it so that only big Mom can...

[cloud ember]

https://tenor.com/view/billy-one-piece-billy-one-piece-strong-world-one-piece-movie-gif-26266229

[ashen perch]

Nami and Balloon will beat Mars, this is meant to parallel Ganfall and Pierre

because Mars is Ganfall's ancestor

[digital spear]

Theres no reason why Nami wouldnt be able to ride Zeus now btw

There are multiple options

[hot cairn]

that bet should’ve ended a long time ago, she’s clearly not going to be an antagonist even if she comes back

[sturdy steeple]

ArsalGPT saves the day

Like dude, who could even come up with this

[ashen perch]

GPT couldnt smh

only I can

[hot cairn]

that’s probably what they’re waiting for yeah

[sturdy steeple]

That's true and I don't know if that's a bad or a good thing lmao

[ashen perch]

you guys simply do not get it, The Gorosei were conceived as SH opponents

they are the main villain group of the series, they will go down to the SHs only

[fallen meteor]

Say it aint gorosei-so

[distant vine]

Meh

[sturdy steeple]

I think it's quite simple though. The gorosei are the top notch of organisation that only the strongest fighters will fight like Zoro and Sanji. SHs have Holy Knights to take care of.

[digital spear]

• Zeus only seemed to not allow anyone but BM ride him but he should allow Nami now
• Namis climatact can create solid Skypiea clouds this is an ability Oda COMPLETELY forgot it seems
• Just stay a stick and be designed like a broomstick so Nami can fly on it like a witch, she is a weather witch after all

[lofty fern]

Eh, I doubt it since the vast majority of SHs can't fight lol

[rain cedar]

Revos sidelined for being filled with bums as usual 😔

[haughty saddle]

They all can fight

What 😭

[lofty fern]

I would give the SHs to some knights or CP

[ionic palm]

major problem is that most of the crew doesnt have Haki or even anything that can properly fight back.

[ashen perch]

Zoro v Nusjuro - swordsmen lol
Sanji v Garling - The blonde, womanizing knight Garling who is serving as the Warrior God of Science now v the blonde chivalrous knight Sanji who is also called the Warrior of Science.
Usopp v Ju Peter - Ju Peter is the evolved version of Merry Christmas and Daruma
Nami v Mars - works if Nami gets Balloon, a Magical Roc that is her best friend in Romance Dawn v1, I think its whats inside the egg on Oro Jackson.
Jinbe v Warcury - Similar builds, I think Fishman Karate could be effective against his defense, also his role being Justice in the Gorosei could be relevant.

[digital spear]

Theres no way Oda and his 20 editors havent thought of any of this, let me take over atp

[cloud ember]

it can create island clouds?

[ashen perch]

why do you guys think the SHs are going to remain the same till the EOS?

[digital spear]

Yes, she used it once on Punk Hazard and then Oda forgor

[ionic palm]

unless you want to give like say Nami a powerful DF, Usopp and Robin more Haki, and give seastone weapons to certain members, they're not going to be able to fight back properly.

[sturdy steeple]

Like how do you even imagine Usopp and Nami fighting the strongest batch. That's never been a thing lol

And how if they don't even have ACoC

[lofty fern]

I was wondering who is going to survive Elbaph? All the HKs or will we lose one?

[digital spear]

[haughty saddle]

They’ve been underdogs in every fight. They’ll pull through like they always do and mfs for some reason will act like it’s something new.

[distant vine]

Dont ask Arsal about Nami and Usopp COC...

[digital spear]

Theyd still need to fight against HK anyway

[distant vine]

[lofty fern]

When's the last good fight for Chopper?

[ashen perch]

???

[haughty saddle]

Erm my headcanon powerscale is ruined!!! Erm, Ussop was supposed to be no diffed??? Oda hasn’t seen the Morh video. What a hack.

[hot cairn]

you dont think at least one revo will get to fight the gorosei?

[digital spear]

Chopper doing that to Queen means he can fight, you said it like they cant fight at all

[haughty saddle]

Choke slamming the second strongest member of the Beast pirates who was a giant cyborg dinosaur

[rare ivy]

Are all Big Mom homies immortal?

[digital spear]

He probably thinks:

Dragon fights Imu for a while
Sabo fights Akainu
Ivankov and everyone else Holy Knights

[ionic palm]

they can fight but not properly cause their main opposition will have Haki or powerful DFs. The former being the actual main roadblock.

[rare ivy]

If no one kills them

[hot cairn]

I think she means that only 2 of them currently have conquerors and the gorosei are immortal

[haughty saddle]

Yeah and a way for them to win will be written around

[lofty fern]

Not a prolonged fight, Oda hasn't done that for them for years. Hitting Queen one time doesn't count. He's there to mostly be cute

[haughty saddle]

Like it always is

[digital spear]

Irene said they should fight Holy Knights tho, you still need to be able to do that for them

[ashen perch]

Usopp beat the #4 of Arlong Pirates, Chuu
Usopp beat the #4 of Baroque Works, literally Mr.4
Usopp beat the #4 of TB Pirates, Perona
Usopp beat the #4 of Donquixote Pirates, Sugar

Usopp's been beating #4s for a long time

[distant vine]

I dont mind Nami and Usopp fighting Gorosei. Just no COC and we're good

[ashen perch]

no

[hot cairn]

Sanji is fighting Mars

[digital spear]

Usopp will beat Shanks #4 ... Yasopp

[cloud ember]

https://youtu.be/s5kZZElToIE

[digital spear]

Isnt Augur also BBs #4

[lofty fern]

Give them to people that have it? There's plenty of other people to give the elders to. It's like in Wano. It's not like Oda gave the SHs Big Mom to deal with them they had to take on the tobi roppo. The elders will go to SH allies, and the SHs can have HKs

[distant vine]

Ooh a technique compilation. Thats a useful video

[hot cairn]

wdym the same

[ashen perch]

yes, Yasopp too is the #4 of RHP, Van Augur is the captain of the 3rd ship of BBP (making him the 4th too because Teach is above that ranking)

[iron oriole]

all i know is Dragon is fighting Garling

[iron oriole]

& Sabo is fighting Akainu

[ashen perch]

same level of strength

[digital spear]

Okay so you mean prolonged fight, but Chopper legit wrestled Queen for like an hour and "Chopper is just a mascot" is not a reason

[formal wagon]

why do poeple want sabo to die so much 😭

[lofty fern]

Which HKs are going to survive Elbaph? I think Killy could still be around for a while

[hot cairn]

I think the strawhats will get some HK's and the gorosei will be reserved for the top tiers of each faction

[steel stirrup]

Kuzan being the 10th Captain is just an evil trap

[digital spear]

BB, Burgess, Shiryu and Augur yeah checks out

[lofty fern]

Guy has had too many fake deaths to die

[ionic palm]

all of them probably.

[lofty fern]

If anyone doesn't die, it's going to be Sabo

[ionic palm]

Gunko might be a weird case due to her confirmed past with Brook

[brittle basin]

So Akainu can live.

[frigid gulch]

Chekhov’s Sabo

[digital spear]

[lofty fern]

I can see that. Oda can't kill anyone modern day these days

[iron oriole]

i'm of the opinion that Imu wins during Elbaf so all HKs survive

[fast pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/son-im-crine-crying-emoji-anthony-mackie-gif-3482393872062328307

[digital spear]

Im vrine

[digital spear]

Hey vrine

[cloud ember]

found it lol

[fast pagoda]

The only character on the good guys side I could actually see dying is Garp

[cloud ember]

Nami fights are so much fun to watch

[rose rune]

though okay

[digital spear]

Yeah this, sorry Id have sent if I knew you looked for it

This was genuinely ERASED from Odas mind forever after this

[lofty fern]

I thought so, though the flashback changed that. I don't think he's going to take over Elbaph, it was too important to Harald and his will. Imu will be driven back or only get a segment of giants to his cause.

[frigid gulch]

Eraseda

[ashen perch]

yes, Dragon v Imu, Sabo v Akainu, Revo Commanders, Robin, Chopper, Brook, Franky and Vivi v HKs

[digital spear]

Forgoda

[fast pagoda]

wouldn't sugar be number 5

but yeah

[rose rune]

dementia is

[digital spear]

Imu will turn Wapol into a HK and he fights Vivi

[ashen perch]

Doffy, Vergo, Trebol, Sugar and Diamante is how I was ranking them, did I forget someone

[fossil nimbus]

Usopp is the real number 4 rather than jinbei

[digital spear]

Why is Sugar randomly over Diamante but under Vergo and Trebol

[lofty fern]

I've said Sabo vs Akainu for years. And with so many other enemies in the woodwork right now, Akainu honestly he's just not important enough. He's like Big Mom. Luffy doesn't need to take him on personally anymore.

[sturdy steeple]

Pre-ts, not every single arc and you just made up Sugar being 4th.

[cloud ember]

where do the eggs from the climatact come from also does it still use dials? lol

[iron oriole]

what i think happens is majority of Elbaf falls to Imu... say 90% & the only Giants that are left are Loki & the New Giant Pirates & we get forced to retreat to the Heaven realm to regroup/replan, HKs & Imu then leave because for as far as they're concerned Elbaf would now be theirs

[sturdy steeple]

PICA????

[ashen perch]

Pica is irrelevant

[sturdy steeple]

Diamanté is also stronger so yeah.

[fast pagoda]

Why is Diamante below Sugar

[ionic palm]

pica forgettable anyway

[fast pagoda]

He is quite literally one of the seats

[ionic palm]

Pica's only memorable for his soprano voice

[sturdy steeple]

Honestly, half of the members are stronger, lol. If not more.

[fast pagoda]

Sugar ranks below him

[lofty fern]

And what about all the SH allies that are all stronger than many of the SHs? who are they fighting? Your Lokis, Laws, Yamatos, etc?

[digital spear]

The 4 seats are Vergo Trebol Diamante and Pica

It doesnt really work there

[golden valley]

Sugar is like above Baby 5 and the spin DF dude

[fast pagoda]

Also forgot Pica

[golden valley]

That’s about it

[iron oriole]

thats exactly how i feel about Luffy vs Akainu, theres bigger fish to fry... at most i think Luffy & Akainu clash but someone (Sabo) interrupts & tells Luffy to go forward etc

[golden valley]

Lao G > Sugar

[sturdy steeple]

Exactly. Sugar also was accompanied by Trebol for protection.

[ashen perch]

well Vergo is the Corazon, the 1st mate but he is a Vice Admiral undercover so Trebol is the de-facto first mate in Dressrosa. Then Sugar is the most important to Doflamingo's operations in Dressrosa and is directly under the command of Trebol.

[digital spear]

I think Arsal wants to say Sugar has a special role within the Donquixote pirates, but in that case she would be No. 2

[golden valley]

Sugar isn’t 4

[sturdy steeple]

Special role doesn’t grant her power to be stronger than most of them though.

[digital spear]

I can see the Trebol part because Usopp actually fought him too so he counts as the #4

[ashen perch]

Sugar is #4, she is working with the de-facto first mate

[lofty fern]

I'd love that, though I'm not seeing that at least with what's been set up so far. Imu's fear of the giants of D, Loki's power, and Luffy's part in this. I can't see him taking the place anymore 😞

[sturdy steeple]

Usopp beating opponents with tricky powers is a thing.

[ashen perch]

Diamante is just a guy, and so is Pica. This isnt about strength.

[hot cairn]

she's right tho @ashen perch what about them

[sturdy steeple]

Diamanté and Pica are just the guy with higher ranks than her that needed no protection to begin with.

[iron oriole]

i just find it really hard to believe Imu loses here

[digital spear]

Well Zoro fights the No. 2 and he fought Pica

[iron oriole]

their first major move in present time... i just cant see it

[golden valley]

Why would Sugar be 4 if thats the line of logic, she would be higher

[ashen perch]

Loki can get Shamrock, Law, Momo and Yamato can get some HKs sure

[lofty fern]

I don't think he loses fully, but he won't win completely either

[sturdy steeple]

You could’ve at least ended with saying Usopp gets to fight number 4s… Sometimes… Pre-ts…

[golden valley]

This is more arbitrary than it is factual in the story. Rank wise, Sugar isn’t 4

[golden valley]

Like what

[hot cairn]

it's one piece

[iron oriole]

that means nothing

[ashen perch]

yeah but Pica is in no way the no.2 lol, Trebol acts as that during Dressrosa

[golden valley]

Pica is the #3

[lofty fern]

You're going to give them the weaker opponents? When its way smarter to give them the stronger ones that you need really powerful haki for?
You do realize that nearly half of the SHs don't even have HAKI at all? Most of them got taken out by 1 HK

[sturdy steeple]

Pica is the strongest among them during Dressrosa.

Because Vergo was absent.

[golden valley]

Doffy
Vergo
Pica

[digital spear]

Yeah but that means the pattern just doesnt work so Usopp also didnt fight the #4

[sturdy steeple]

And that alone makes him number two on the island.

[hot cairn]

Oda isnt going to end an arc with doom and gloom, I would love for you to be right tho it fits

[ashen perch]

it does, like I said, Trebol + Sugar are a duo like Mr.4 and Merry Christmas

Vergo ---> Trebol and Sugar ----> Diamante ---> Pica

[sturdy steeple]

Nonsense

Absolute nonsense

[ashen perch]

Trebol literally made Doflamingo, its ridiculous to say otherwise

[digital spear]

then he kinda fought the #3

[hot cairn]

he's counting Doffy I feel like

[golden valley]

Sugar is not treated as being in the same rank as Trebol

[cloud ember]

Awakened Flower Fruit ideas go

[iron oriole]

the way i see Imu "losing" is Elbaf itself being destroyed by Loki/Luffy, think its possible after the Imu comments about preserving & ruling over it & we get a whole "Elbaf is the people" plot

[golden valley]

Ur just treating them as a pair when in reality, Trebol is the overseer

[lofty fern]

I do have to ask, with how strong Loki is and with him gunning to take on the WG and with his ability to even kill HKs, why wasn't he able to really make any progress in 8 whole years?

[ashen perch]

yeah youre not counting Doffy

[digital spear]

But hes counting Trebol and Sugar as a duo which would make both #3

1. Doffy
2. Vergo
3. Trebol and Sugar

[ashen perch]

Doflamingo - 1
Vergo - 2
Trebol - 3
Sugar - 4

[golden valley]

Yeah why is sugar in this though

[sturdy steeple]

Usopp didn’t fight Trebol, who is clearly the stronger between the two by a lot.

[ashen perch]

he did ?

he fought them both

[lofty fern]

Oh no, that's not happening. He's not going down this arc. What I meant by losing was that he doesn't take over Elbaph

[sturdy steeple]

He lost badly, man. Cool.

[olive sigil]

What’s this?

[digital spear]

Dunno man this weirdly puts Sugar inbetween Vergo and Trebol, and Pica and Diamante

[golden valley]

The logic here is not making sense

[sturdy steeple]

His last interaction was solely with Sugar.

[ashen perch]

because Pica and Diamante are just two dudes

[sturdy steeple]

Putting Sugar up top when there are half of a crew stronger than her is something.

[golden valley]

Sugar is directly under the command of Trebol, theyre not pairs

[ashen perch]

they have 0 real signficance to the operations of the crew

[olive sigil]

1-Senor Pink
2-Lao G
3-Doffy
4-Baby 5

[sturdy steeple]

Hell, Lao G’s old ass is still stronger.

[ashen perch]

this isnt about strength, where did I mention strength

[digital spear]

Diamante is leading the collosseum and acting like his own villain against Kyros and Rebecca

Pica is the Zoro fight

[ashen perch]

strength wise sugar will be dead last, thats not relevant

[sturdy steeple]

But there was FOUR of the officers higher in rank than her.

[ornate tartan]

I don’t think Imu will be there past 1185

[sturdy steeple]

Trebol had three other people below him that included Sugar.

[ornate tartan]

could be wrong but that’s my prediction

[sturdy steeple]

It’s not rocket science. There’s no pattern with Sugar.

[ashen perch]

which is irrelevant

[lofty fern]

You think Imu is dying in 14 chapters?

[ashen perch]

those dynamics shift, like in Thriller Bark

Chopper is the one who fights Hogback, Sanji fights Absalom, Usopp fights Perona, they all are more signficant than General Zombie Ryuma

[iron oriole]

i'm not saying they'd be defeated, i think if Elbaf gets destroyed by Loki/Luffy its after the whole regroup in Heaven realm i said before & after Imu & HKs leave

[ornate tartan]

no way😂 I think Imu will either willingly stop possessing gunko due to the situation in mariejois or the strawhats will sever the connection somehow, I don’t envision a defeat for imu this early

[ashen perch]

also Keeper you mentioned pre ts and like

[ornate tartan]

maybe brook will play a part in this

with his music

[digital spear]

Arsal if its true what you said then it doesnt work for Baroques

1. Crocodile
2. Robin
3. Mr. 1
4. Miss Doublefinger
5. Mr. 2
6. Mr. 3
7. 
8. Mr. 4
9. Miss MC

So Usopp fights #8 and #9 there

[sturdy steeple]

Significant but not stronger, lol.

[golden valley]

All this means for Sugar is that shes special among the non-high officers

[digital spear]

Mr. 4 is NOT the 4th most significant Baroque member

[sturdy steeple]

Zoro still fought number two of the arc.

[ashen perch]

I forgot to reply but you missed the part where I said about the Gorosei that "they were conceived as SH opponents"

[sturdy steeple]

And I mean, fighting Ryuma’s corpse and getting a new sword is kind of a significant thing, isn’t it?

[sturdy steeple]

Yeah, well, good thing Holy Knights exist for that.

[ashen perch]

it doesnt matter cause he's called Mr.4

[lofty fern]

I do wonder about that Heaven realm and how that's going to fit in. We did get that warning that fire and lightning are Elbaph's weaknesses. I do wonder if that will play into things. Also...if Harald is somehow alive and in the Heaven realm, I would also not be surprised

[digital spear]

It works for Thriller Bark because Ryuma is just a zombie and Moria has only 3 normal members

Ryuma isnt really Morias #2

[ashen perch]

Ryuma wouldnt even exist without Hogback

[digital spear]

Okay and Doffy has 4 supreme officers and Sugar isnt one of them

[sturdy steeple]

But somehow the officers in Dressrosa don’t matter despite having higher ranks but in this case it matters.

[iron oriole]

Moria's #2 should really be Oars

[ashen perch]

(and mr.3 is out of the final conflict in Alabasta anyways)

[digital spear]

Theyre called his 4 supreme officer or something

[sturdy steeple]

Do you not see how flawed your logic is lol

[digital spear]

And Vergo out of Dressrosa

So its Doffy Trebol Sugar by your logic

[lofty fern]

Hmm, I don't think Gunko will be separated from Imu yet. We need to see way more from her and from Brook first. Also, the stronger the covenant the stronger the connection. I think we end on Gunko's face being revealed and Brook finally realizing who she is. Perhaps Vivi comes and she becomes Imu's priority. He takes Vivi and tells everyone else to take care of everything in Elbaph while Imuko returns to Marijois with Vivi.

[iron oriole]

i have no idea where Oda's gonna go with it, theres the Urouge is up there cope... i highly doubt Harald is alive up there but i wouldn't be surprised if we see a seedling for an Adam tree that the Giants can take to "rebuild" Elbaf

[runic dock]

This means that Loki’s elemental attacks will be nerfed because he won’t be able to use lightning and fire freely

Or on the other hand , if he’s Domi reversi , it means Elbaf is doomed

[digital spear]

Sugar isnt here

[ashen perch]

Mr.4 cause he was literally numbered that way

Moria
Absalom
Hogback
Perona

Arlong
Kuroobi
Hachi
Chew

Doflamingo
Vergo
Trebol
Sugar

is how I was ranking them

[frail cradle]

NIBURUHEIMU

[runic dock]

Wouldn’t pica be above sugar

[frail cradle]

wazzup

[ashen perch]

as I said, Trebol was

[remote maple]

sugar fruit is op

[ashen perch]

Trebol's special officer Sugar is just below him

[frail cradle]

trebok the evil guy

[hot cairn]

and Diamanté

[frail cradle]

doffy was corrupted but trebol made him worse

[runic dock]

Yeah was about to say that too

[sturdy steeple]

And so are the officers are highlighted as ones.

[digital spear]

Well we fucked up Sugar may just be the No. 2

[runic dock]

A good guy wouldn’t have made doffy any better

On the other hand

[frail cradle]

trebol was the guy who gave doffy gun and ito-ito df

somehow

[ashen perch]

Sugar is more important to Doflamingo's operations than Diamante and Pica, thats my thought process

the rankings are based on signficance

[mighty shell]

bro looks like he's about to kidnap an 8 year old off the street

[latent hamlet]

Doffy was already a shithead tho before he met trebol

[frail cradle]

i know but trebol enabled him

[fallen meteor]

Diamante is like top 2 most forgotten doffy crewmate

[frail cradle]

yknow what i mean

[fallen meteor]

Loses only to bomb guy

[mighty shell]

his NAME is GLADIUS

[runic dock]

Official?

[latent hamlet]

Doesnt matter
If it wasnt gonna be trebol doffy would have probably found his own way

[ashen perch]

yeah but Trebol gave him direction, he is the one who brought him to the world of piracy and taught him the underworld shenanigans

[frail cradle]

machvise

do you even know machvise

[mighty shell]

also it's giolla

[digital spear]

I think its for a card?

[frail cradle]

or the art lady

[mighty shell]

no one fw giolla

[fallen meteor]

Machvise is remembered a lot because of rokayas message

[mighty shell]

maybe kuween

[ashen perch]

Trebol is like the de-facto first mate of Doflamingo, Vergo was less important really

[fallen meteor]

Giolla is very unique

Her df

[runic dock]

Oh nice

[frail cradle]

the art lady

[graceful belfry]

Yes

[ashen perch]

but officially he's the Corazon so it is what it is

[fallen meteor]

Gladius is bomb - again

[frail cradle]

i think diamante is fun

[graceful belfry]

It’s done by one of One Piece’s official character designers

[frail cradle]

diamante has unique way of speaking

you praise him first

like tsundere

[mighty shell]

idk to me saying sugar is that important is like robin is the number 4 because without her luffy can't make it to laugh tale and achieve his goals. it's technically true but no one is really going to think that way

[frail cradle]

gladius uses rupture my dude

[olive sigil]

Hi Marin

[frail cradle]

but yes he is forgettable

[fallen meteor]

Hello

[lofty fern]

Are you guys arguing powerscaling for the Doffy Family? or Just the order in the organization?

[digital spear]

Well, Arsal might say yes to this too

[digital spear]

The latter

[mighty shell]

you're right i should've picked a different character

[olive sigil]

You’re now officially the last Elbaf MVP ranking fan

[sturdy steeple]

That’s like me saying Jack was more of a vice-captain because he was running the important operations for Kaido, lol.

[fallen meteor]

Forgottenscaling

[frail cradle]

did rocks had someone like robin

roger had oden

[runic dock]

I think arsal is trying to fit sugar as 4 to make a pattern out of Usopp’s opponents

[hot cairn]

his fruit is very similar to Mr. 5’s

[fallen meteor]

Mosa gone..so soon

[steel stirrup]

I think Eris

[ashen perch]

Jack brought Kaido to the world of piracy?

[digital spear]

Basically Usopp shouldve fought Jack

[olive sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-sleep-gif-8847630

[frail cradle]

physically yes

[steel stirrup]

No I think she's the one who made the plan

[mighty shell]

mr 5 makes me so damn mad he could make any part of his body explode with zero repercussions and he fires booger grenades instead

[sturdy steeple]

No, but the point stands. Vergo was de-facto the right hand.

[runic dock]

I don’t think Usopp’s opponents need a pattern outside of “op ability everyone has been taken out by /no one is available , Usopp must act”

[frail cradle]

oda makes me mad bcs ganzui did the same thing

cmon you are a big guy in a golden suit of armor

and you arent don krieg

[lofty fern]

Ahh

[sturdy steeple]

And Trebol wasn’t the only one. There was a whole squad of the officers that supported him and brought him into this world.

[ashen perch]

Robin is the Ms.0 of the SHPs actually

[frail cradle]

we will see when BB flashback comes ig

[hot cairn]

yeah that’s lame af. I would do so much shit with that fruit, it’s kinda overpower but the user is a dumb bitch

[ashen perch]

more important than Luffy, the mr.1

[hot cairn]

the gun thing was cool tho

[frail cradle]

both users are dumb

[steel stirrup]

I really believe she may have ties to Ohara

[ashen perch]

yeah I acknowledged that he was the official first mate... just saying Trebol's more important really

[frail cradle]

I wish Ganzui used the bomb fruit in more creative use

[lofty fern]

Considering there's only 2 women on the crew, I'd have to agree

[frail cradle]

but he also flung the booger bomb

[steel stirrup]

The Will of Booger

[frail cradle]

kidd > john btw

[fallen meteor]

If you had Ganzui's df what would you explode

[frail cradle]

everything

[steel stirrup]

That's not a very high bar to reach

[fallen meteor]

I mean like in your body

[sturdy steeple]

But that doesn’t make him number 2 in One Piece terms. In fact, Vergo’s mission wasn’t anywhere less important.

[golden valley]

I dont see how Mr 5 is a bad user

[sturdy steeple]

So there’s that.

[golden valley]

Mr 5 doesnt just shoot boogers

He does a lot

[steel stirrup]

I would probably use it to punch more than fling boogers or other bodily fluids but thats just me ig

[hot cairn]

this all started because Arsal thinks Usopp’s fighting Ju Peter

[frail cradle]

is sabo > ace in terms of using mera mera?

[fallen meteor]

I feel the use of ranged tactics isnt bad

[steel stirrup]

Unless the fruit works in like a way that only your bodily fluids are explosive, in which case I'd have no choice

[fallen meteor]

I guess he would be even better close combat too

[deep chasm]

no way to know but you could probably assume ace is better just cuz he had it longer

[steel stirrup]

Yea in terms of long range I guess its cool

[golden valley]

He uses tht for range

[frail cradle]

would be good to compare the same fruit users

[runic dock]

Oh gosh

[golden valley]

But up close, he’ll suicide bomb yo ayy

[ashen perch]

yeah, because Usopp is the #4 of the crew, who has been fighting the top members of the villain groups

[spice cairn]

Trebol is 100% the right hand

[steel stirrup]

I would just feel bad using my boogers I guess. Feels icky.

[sturdy steeple]

Like people will throw rocks at me but if we’re counting the importance of the crew then clearly someone like Robin would be higher than even number 4. Number 2 exactly.
And that’s not how it works, clearly.
Jack also seemed to do more shit for Kaido than King, lol.

[spice cairn]

He was the main guy grooming him to begin with lmao

[red lagoon]

Man I’d just spit Ona nigga

[ashen perch]

yea I mentioned that, Trebol made Doflamingo into who he is

[spice cairn]

Hes the guy who handed him the tools and said "Erm yes.. do evil crimes and shit my brother"

[steel stirrup]

I also don't know how accurate i would be flicking boogers

Maybe Obs helps

[frail cradle]

Trebol the enabler

[ashen perch]

thats why he is the real first mate really, even if Vergo had the official Corazon position

[keen quiver]

S tier girl on the pfp

[untold latch]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-dog-hug-dog-question-mark-dog-question-mark-gif-14144426802562365039

[keen quiver]

I'll say that much

[steel stirrup]

I thought about that too but damn thats disrespectful

[steel stirrup]

Thank you sis

[red lagoon]

That’s why it’s perfect t

[ashen perch]

literally gave him the gun that Doffy used to blow the brains out of his father lol

[steel stirrup]

LMAO the final disrespect a nigga will ever feel

Imagine getting spat on and getting boomed on at the same time

[frail cradle]

Trebol is the cartel bro

his full name is Trebol Salamanca

[sturdy steeple]

There were other elite officers present when Doffy was found.

[steel stirrup]

Was Diamante there?

[frail cradle]

all were young but trebol

trebol groomed them all

[steel stirrup]

Oh yea he was

[sturdy steeple]

Yeah, all of them.

[ashen perch]

they were like NPCs in that scene, Trebol had all the dialogue cause he was the main guy

and yea, he was the oldest

[frail cradle]

trebol recruits delinquents and make them do evil stuff

[steel stirrup]

Imagine that entire backstory being narrated by Pika instead of Trebol

[frail cradle]

Midka

[sturdy steeple]

And he ended up not even being the number 2… Poor guy…

[steel stirrup]

His fruit was ass

[frail cradle]

lamest fruit was the helicopter guy

[sturdy steeple]

It was fine. He’s a strong individual.

[steel stirrup]

Meh meh

[ashen perch]

Trebol was kinda strong, didnt he pull a battleship with it

with his snot

[frail cradle]

doffy is an example of a very good fruit user btw

[steel stirrup]

True

[frail cradle]

ito ito can easily be super mid

[steel stirrup]

Doffy definitely didnt lack imagination

[sturdy steeple]

I remember his snot being as strong and fierce like a shotgun.

[ashen perch]

also I think he took a couple of hits from Luffy without being affected much

[sturdy steeple]

It was pretty good albeit disgusting.

[frail cradle]

correction, viola fruit is the lamest

[steel stirrup]

Horribly disgusting

[steel stirrup]

Crying whales was... unexpected

[frail cradle]

art fruit good

[frail cradle]

swim fruit good
swim fruit user best

[keen quiver]

Just remembered

That kill means nothing

[hot cairn]

her fruit is really useful

[steel stirrup]

The Draugr?

[keen quiver]

Remember

[steel stirrup]

Yea it'll just reform

[keen quiver]

Its just gonna respawn

[ashen perch]

yea, he was like a sniper with it

[steel stirrup]

Or another will come out of the nightmare hole

[frail cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/remember-remember-v-for-vendetta-happy-guy-fawkes-day-the5th-of-november-gif-12829141

[steel stirrup]

Yea it was just to show off some of Loki's power

And to get us back into battle mode

[lofty fern]

The whale thing was weird, though her power is OP otherwise

[golden valley]

Loki can probably kill the nightmares, but yeah, need to stop the nightmare hole

[spice cairn]

People dont want to admit that 2nd guy in charge looks ugly and thats ok

[frail cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-dressrosa-viola-viola-one-piece-violet-gif-25275847

cannot unsee

[lofty fern]

Yeah, I was wondering about that. Just freezing it doesn't really do anything to it

[golden valley]

Loki doesn’t know that. I wonder who’ll be the key to closing up the nightmare hole

[keen quiver]

Unless killingham is put down he's just gonna keep pumping out more

[steel stirrup]

Yea you gotta close that up otherwise they'll keep coming

Plus Killingham basically says that he's not gonna hold back his power anymore so who knows how much bigger they'll be

The Draugr alone dwarves Loki, who already dwarves Giants

[frail cradle]

killingham needs nerf

[ashen perch]

bro is not ready for Jinbe

[steel stirrup]

Hell no I love this

The HK finally show me something

[lofty fern]

Did he ever mention that even if he's out his power will continue? I thought that was mentioned? Like he was sleep and it still kept going? Or was that the kids?

[keen quiver]

Said it himself

[frail cradle]

he will be mentally nerfed in 2 chapters

[golden valley]

Out of sheer gag and funniness

1. i wanna see Luffy just close up the nightmare hole.

As far as what would be cool and great moment.

2. Usopp somehow causing the nightmare hole to close by influencing the kids beliefs or something.

[sturdy steeple]

Well no, it’s because the ugly guy wasn’t the second in charge. Not only he had the same rank as the other four but there was a clear distinction with “Corazon” being the second most important position.

[keen quiver]

Also this

[sturdy steeple]

You could say he was an advisor, which is fine.

[frail cradle]

remember

[keen quiver]

My guess is they need to wake the kids up

[lofty fern]

I do wonder, what will Loki's nightmare be? We saw that Killy can take nightmares from the adults too

[spice cairn]

Well thats because Doflamingo got closer to him because his asset to him was way too valuable

[steel stirrup]

He has the wives and mothers of the Giant warrior and they havent been asleep yet so I assume he can pull your nightmare without actually having to put you to sleep

[frail cradle]

strong enough haki cancel things

that includes killingham’s MMA

[golden valley]

Pffftttt

Jinbei isn’t doing shit

[keen quiver]

My guess is an abomination that looks like his father or something similar to rocks.

[steel stirrup]

I thought they were awake

Or some of them were

[frail cradle]

MMAs will be beaten by CoC

trust

[spice cairn]

But I think in general Trebol is ultimately the guy in a non-bias manner.

[sturdy steeple]

And that’s what makes Vergo number 2, yeah.

[keen quiver]

They are still sleeping

[golden valley]

Probably

[sturdy steeple]

I mean

[frail cradle]

CoC killed rocks & harald bro

[steel stirrup]

So they got put back to sleep after Ronjas speech?

[lofty fern]

They did wake up. It didn't do anything

[frail cradle]

why wouldnt it work to MMA

[sturdy steeple]

I personally believe that Jack is more of a right-hand than King given what we have in the story. But it doesn’t make it more true.

[keen quiver]

Was it after this ?

[sturdy steeple]

It is what it is.

[ashen perch]

OFFICIAL Elbaf Fights

Loki and Luffy v Imu
Turns into Luffy and Usopp v Domi Loki and Ragnir
Zoro and Sanji v Dorry and Brogy
Jinbe v Qillingham
Robin v Sommers

Putting this out there before it all goes down

[golden valley]

Yeah ur wrong

[spice cairn]

Tbf thats more of a meme rather than an actual thing no?

[ashen perch]

aight youre just not ready

[lofty fern]

Yeah, remember Collun talking to the kids and them being scared and then him getting his dad nearly killed?

[spice cairn]

King has a lot more of a shared history with Kaido even if Kaido's attitude was a bit different

[frail cradle]

jack is the errand boi

[spice cairn]

I just think Kaido valued his men equally.

[sturdy steeple]

Yeah, but we if count what Jack has done for Kaido within the context we have then King loses by a mile.

[steel stirrup]

Did they get put back to sleep? I need to reread

[frail cradle]

king is def 1st mate

[golden valley]

By imu’c coc

[frail cradle]

wrong. king took off big mom whole crew

[sturdy steeple]

King is the right-hand by strength alone too. His crew is based on meritocracy.

[golden valley]

Imu’s CoC knocked them out

[lofty fern]

Stop trying to force Usopp in here

[steel stirrup]

Ohhh

[keen quiver]

The coc zonked them @steel stirrup

[digital spear]

Wait but Peter isnt the No. 4

[steel stirrup]

I forgot Imu let out a Conq burst

[spice cairn]

I mean I suppose?

[steel stirrup]

Yea i forgot about ts its been so long sis

[golden valley]

Usopp being paired with Luffy in a battle against Domi Reversi Loki is funny

He wont be in the vicinity of that btw

[frail cradle]

King definitely did a ton more to Kaido than Jack

[ashen perch]

I need to start screencappin these Usopp deniers

[steel stirrup]

So yea someone's gotta wake them lil niggas back up

[ashen perch]

there needs to be a collage by the end of the arc

[sturdy steeple]

And that’s exactly what I’ve been saying. It might be so but King is still number 2.

[proud pivot]

Start with me

[ashen perch]

of all these deniers

[lofty fern]

True, though we did see that before this, even when the kids woke up the nightmares didn't disappear

[keen quiver]

nika fruit
treasure of elbaf with ragnir
broccoli, beans and tomatoes

[golden valley]

Yeah and each of ur usopp takes are getting put in the “100 things that DIDNT happen for Usopp on Elbaf”

[ashen perch]

eh he probably is

all my Usopp takes are very reasonable

[lofty fern]

Gunko can go in there and knock Usopp out again for us

[sturdy steeple]

Usopp dealing with Ragnir somehow is actually his best time to shine.

[rose rune]

I'm stuffed
please end my suffering

[steel stirrup]

So about this regen

Is the counter AdvConq or not

[sturdy steeple]

He is the guy that deals with tricky opponents.

[frail cradle]

King took big mom’s ship out without order bcs he has the liberty to do things as he see fits

Jack can only be ordered by people

[proud pivot]

Throwing stones would be more effective atp

[digital spear]

His circle says 1 I think, Mars is 4

[keen quiver]

It seems you absolutely need acoc and a fruit it seems

Unless its a specific hax fruit

[frail cradle]

“everything is countered by ACoC” - garp & roger

[steel stirrup]

Thats what I was thinking too

You also need a fruit but it needs to be a god tier fruit?

[sturdy steeple]

What he needs to do is for Ragnir to think he’s worthy.

[spice cairn]

Bonney can just make the kids believe in sunshine and rainbows and make the nightmare manifestations hilariously weak.

[frail cradle]

might be related to the fruit’s specific ability

[sturdy steeple]

King, Queen and Jack all acted according to their status without orders given. Hell, Jack attacked an admiral ship because he wanted to.

[steel stirrup]

But that was overcoming Rocks AdvConq to undo DR

Im talking about these immortals

[sturdy steeple]

You’re clearly not right here, lol.

[ashen perch]

I think the circles are age based, and he's just the youngest or the oldest

[digital spear]

Cant wait for me (one of Usopps biggest defenders) landing on Arsals Usopp hater collage because I argued against his illogical arguments

[spice cairn]

Jack acted on his own too.

[frail cradle]

forget about that stunt

[keen quiver]

Seems to be for the damage ? Because at this point I'm leaning on fruits not being phases out.

[spice cairn]

Its a bit weird to assume they have to 100% always act without their better judgement

[ashen perch]

what have I said that is unreasonable? whats so wild about him fighting Ragnir whilst Luffy is taking on Domi Loki?

[keen quiver]

Which is hilarious

[steel stirrup]

Even with Loki and Harald you still have Loki needing to use Ragnir which is technically using a fruit

[sturdy steeple]

They’re calamities. Of course they act independently. They’re second only to Kaido.

[ashen perch]

your expectations must be in hell if you think anything I am demanding is like illogical

and I get it, people are scared of being disappointed, but I know I wont be

[proud pivot]

Because it would look stupid, imu fighting a squirrel IMO

[deep chasm]

its just acoc

[ashen perch]

HIM

[frail cradle]

even with loki & ragnir & the fruit, harald died bcs he let loki kills him

[steel stirrup]

I think Gaban is only half right

Like he only had half the answers

[keen quiver]

You definitely need some fruit power on your side to reach the highest peaks. Atleast in my eyes tbh, even ragnir by itself proves fruits are a boom everytime.

[frail cradle]

harald was that strong

harald somehow repressed imu’s control

[keen quiver]

Harald was getting bullied

By loki

[tawny panther]

he also stood no chance vs Loki either

[deep chasm]

thats just cuz of strength not immortality. Scopper and shanks couldve stopped the immortal, just werent strong enough

[keen quiver]

Post fruit

Don't get it twisted

[proud pivot]

Ah i thought you meant Imu before you corrected it

Lmfaoo

[tawny panther]

he was getting tossed around like a child lol

[spice cairn]

I mean I don't think its a calamities exclusive trait tbf. Thats like being a higher position of power, next down. But I think the example was just kind of whatever for power structure debating in general.

[steel stirrup]

Shanks and Gaban did fuck all tbh im not considering them rn

[sturdy steeple]

I swear, the ultimate counter to their abilities is just gonna end up being AConq + SO MUCH FORCE

[digital spear]

Im talking about the Doffy family/Baroques etc. thing. I havent even what you think will happen with Usopp in Elbaf cant happen, but I disagree with some of the points that get you there

Im saying I argue against the points of your argument that are illogical (in my eyes)

[keen quiver]

This was clearly one sided when he came back

[frail cradle]

zoan gave massive physical power boost

[rich hornet]

Loki is dead without them

[deep chasm]

well thats not the point. The point is you can kill an immortal with ACoC, a fruit isnt necessary. The fruit just made loki stronger, so it made it easier to take down harald. You dont need the fruit to killa n immortal though

[steel stirrup]

I noticed that only happened when his arm with the mark was severed

[spice cairn]

Power of Love.

[sturdy steeple]

Yeah, I just meant that they have the position of power. And clearly three of them acted independently.

[spice cairn]

Loki used it to kill Harald.

[steel stirrup]

It seems AdvConq isnt enough

[tawny panther]

that’s true , I agree the DFs gave him a massive boost which is why i’m saying Harald stood no chance vs Loki with the DFs

[deep chasm]

how does it seem that way

[ornate tartan]

thank you 💯

[keen quiver]

Rich is right

I dint notice that

[sturdy steeple]

That’s honestly very funny to hear at first but then you think about it and the first immortality user’s death comes from his son who loved him so dearly.

[frail cradle]

i think i saw ur pfp from some manga

what was it

[steel stirrup]

And as his arm regrows thats when he tells Loki that time is up and he needs to swing now

[frail cradle]

haikyuu?

[sturdy steeple]

Haikyuu

[rich hornet]

Shanks and Scopper are very strong and couldnt get it done. Also this is the first time we know a knight has died in combat

[digital spear]

Power of Love is said so often I dont think its a joke anymore

[deep chasm]

needing a fruit because someone is strong isnt the same as needing a fruit cuz they have immortality. If Loki randomly was given a sword infused with joyboys haki he wouldve killed harald the same way. Shanks and scopper had the ability to kill an immortal, they just couldnt kill harald because harald is too powerful regardless

[spice cairn]

Its gonna happen.

[ashen perch]

I mean you dont have to be hung up on #4 thing there when the argument was generally just about Usopp fighting the top ranking members of the villain groups, which is true regardless of whether you agree with the exact rankings anyways

[spice cairn]

These last 2 arcs are heavily focused on love

Literally the first HK kill is between a father and a son

[deep chasm]

yes

[spice cairn]

Like cmon

[steel stirrup]

Maybe I'm overthinking it

[keen quiver]

Harald had regen and the imu power boost

[rich hornet]

Yeah probably but we don’t know that

[keen quiver]

So thats why gaban and shanks wete struggling

[digital spear]

Yeah I said from the beginning I disagree with the Doffy part

[deep chasm]

but we're told that

[frail cradle]

harald had something below domi reversi

[sturdy steeple]

Holy Knights are still the top ranked group within the WG.

[steel stirrup]

But then I have to ask why Gaban and Shanks didn't do anything

Maybe because they didnt aim for his arm?

[sturdy steeple]

So that’s who Usopp will fight.

[frail cradle]

if harald was domi reversi’d loki might be cooked

[hot cairn]

Zoro and Sanji are 100% fighting Killingham and Sommers

[deep chasm]

because thye werent strong enough

scopper literally points it out, no HK he faced had ACoC

[ornate tartan]

no way yall think a fruit is required to kill an immortal when it was told to us in the source material TWICE that Acoc is the answer

You guys are using Harald as a measuring stick but are u forgetting how strong King Harald was already before his Deep Sea pact buff?
U think Loki needs his fruit to kill sommers😂😂😂

[steel stirrup]

Scopper Gaban and Shanks weren't strong enough

[spice cairn]

PoL will probably be the highest hierarchy of Acoc.

[steel stirrup]

I love those words

[deep chasm]

yes, is that shocking?

[ashen perch]

Sugar is still one of the most significant members of his crew though

[rich hornet]

Unless I’m wrong, what we’re told is Loki needs to eat the fruit because it’s the only shot to take him down. Probably for the power boost to outmatch Harald, but thats still an assumption at this point

[steel stirrup]

Its calming

[deep chasm]

due to strength, not because the fruit is what allows him to kill an immortal

[frail cradle]

if we talking power boost

deep sea pact buff < domi reversi

[steel stirrup]

I told yall

SHANKS IS TRASH

[ornate tartan]

Shanks is him

[deep chasm]

and thats not what Im referring to. We're told ACoC is what hurts and can kill the immortals

[ashen perch]

Zoro v Qilingham just doesnt sound right at all and we both know this

[ornate tartan]

• the child of fate

[digital spear]

Yeah I agree Usopp generally likes to fight that specific member that is crucial to the villains operations in a not strength related way that only Usopp can fight against

[steel stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/tony-snell-0-stats-points-gif-25311133090818475

[rich hornet]

And yet we’ve only seen one kill

[spice cairn]

Qillingham and Ussop might be likely.

[lofty fern]

I'd say Harald's contract was above a DR contract?

[steel stirrup]

Shanks in Elbaf

[hot cairn]

yes it does

[spice cairn]

Unironically.

[deep chasm]

right? that doesnt take away from what we're told

[digital spear]

It does because Killingham is the mix of a dragon (Zoro opponent) and giraffe (Zoro opponent) and can create Nightmare Kuina

[sturdy steeple]

Why the hell not

[ashen perch]

Chew, Perona, Mr.4 were all proper fights that he won though

[frail cradle]

im talking about the power boost he got from imu

domi reversi looks like the biggest buff

[steel stirrup]

Bro was taking a bath while Harald was getting mind flayed by Imu

[frail cradle]

so far

[spice cairn]

Nightmare Mihawk

Nightmare Perona

Ayy caramba

[rich hornet]

That’s saying Rocks wasnt strong enough to kill Garling

[ornate tartan]

it’s important to wash ur a$$

[ashen perch]

the nightmare ability seems wasted on Zoro, what fear of his needs to be conquered anyways

[steel stirrup]

Other than an actual Abyssal Pact yea

[spice cairn]

Nightmare Mihawk is going to tell him hes a fat loser

[sturdy steeple]

That’s what we’re gonna find out anyways

[hot cairn]

he doesn’t know @grand flower

[proud pivot]

Nightmare Mihawk would admit to Shanks being stronger

[steel stirrup]

Bro let it happen

[sturdy steeple]

And Killingham can still use other people to materialise nightmares

[deep chasm]

thats saying rocks had other things to do and didnt have the time to waste on killing garling. When immortality is introduced I feel like people forget how fights work. Just because a HK ddidnt die, doesnt mean their opponent couldnt have killed them. Luffy escaped kizaru, doesnt mean kizaru did not have the capability of killing him

[ashen perch]

The nightmare ability seems to be more suited for a guy like Usopp to fight against, or if Oda takes the fishman angle with Qilly then theres Jinbe...

he doesnt even have a sword

[frail cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/nightmare-luffy-thriller-bark-one-piece-luffy-nami-gif-2451773881385691529

[lofty fern]

ACOC is definitely not enough to kill an immortal. With Loki it had to be a combo of everything he did plus Harald lowers his guard. AND on top of that, Harald didn't even have the strongest immortality contract

[spice cairn]

Jinbei is too busy of thinking to do anything this arc

[ashen perch]

the trident doesnt count

[sturdy steeple]

Jinbei gotta think harder who to carry this time

[digital spear]

I didnt say he cant beat them in proper fights, I said that member is crucial to the villain in a special, non strength related way, and Perona is that

[ornate tartan]

yeah thats why he showed a lot of regret in the last chapter for not warning him in time, good character growth

the next time it happened he did warn in time but the guy didn’t listen

[royal orchid]

literally 3 swords

[rich hornet]

Like I said, I dont think you’re wrong, except we shouldn’t parade assumptions around as fact