also-manga

[dense rapids]

Brook in wci doesn’t remind you of a holy knight?

Like how he carried out the mission

[iron oriole]

Not really

[dense rapids]

U don’t see it

[iron oriole]

Lol

[grand flower]

Lolol

[iron oriole]

I think its more likely that Brook had just gone to the reverie a few times with whatever country he was part of the battle convoy for & thats how he eventually met Gunko

[dense rapids]

So either Gunko is adopted or whatever country he came from is like Dressrosa, home island for the Manmayers

[tender estuary]

Is there a chapter this week?

[dense rapids]

Naw

[tender estuary]

Life sucks

[worn beacon]

does robin use haki in demonio fleur?

[dense rapids]

Hopefully we get 3 in a row when the break is over

[iron oriole]

Or Gunko isn't adopted & is a Manmayer by birth & she met Brook as a child in Marijoa while he was there at the Reverie

[dense rapids]

I think so

[worn beacon]

Franky might have haki, cause when he sanji and bonney attakced luffy to attack mars, luffy said 'it hurts cause you guys are using haki'

[iron oriole]

No, Robin doesn't have haki

[dense rapids]

There connection seems deeper than him just randomly meeting her on Marie jois

The reverie is only every 3 or 4 years iirc

[iron oriole]

It can be deeper but their first meeting can still be randomly on Marijoa, she hears Brook playing his music or whatever & it goes from there

[final trench]

Speaking of robin

Is it ever stated how she found her df?

[muted hedge]

don't tell me you think that they exchanged swords with eachother or even worse, they switched their outfits

[dense rapids]

Naw

[final trench]

https://tenor.com/view/lebron-lebron-james-thinking-pondering-hmm-gif-12573284342549953625

I see

https://tenor.com/view/nico-robin-1044-craztic-one-piece-robin-gif-27346135

[muted hedge]

Brook gave it to her on her birthday

[final trench]

Only time will tell i presume

[ornate tartan]

hell no😂

i just think they both have different swords then they did when they were young

[muted hedge]

phew

https://klipy.com/gifs/spongebob-wipe

[ornate tartan]

swapping clothes and switched swords theory was dumb ash😭😭

acting like shamrock isn’t a world noble and can’t get any piece of clothing he wants

why the hell would he be wearing his younger twin old outfit from 15 years ago😂😂😂

[iron oriole]

It probably just appeared on Ohara one day

And since she was mistreated, likely hungry just ate it

[final trench]

Tru

Or it was given 👀

[final trench]

Garling gave them new swords

[muted hedge]

Shanks, Grphon guardian of the treasure on Marijoa
Shamrock, Cerberus guardian of the peace on Marijoa

[iron oriole]

I think thats only like CD type shit ngl, finding a DF is like finding a gold mine for a random civi

[ornate tartan]

robin had her fruit when she was a kid right

[iron oriole]

Yeah

[dense rapids]

Buggy wants The World’s treasure

Shanks owes Buggy

[final trench]

Yea i think the figarlands have magic swords

[final trench]

Perhaps

[ornate tartan]

the red desert in the holy land

what do yall think that could be

[iron oriole]

A barren wasteland

[muted hedge]

a desert colored by blood

just kidding

[iron oriole]

Unless....

[dense rapids]

Just the entire top of the red line

A desolate wasteland

Marie Jois probably the only livable part on it

[iron oriole]

Probably

Like at most i could see maybe like little outpost type buildings with a Pacifista constantly on guard there

[dense rapids]

Ju Peter vs Crocodile gonna go crazy

[frail cradle]

my guess: brook served as a commander in a kingdom where manmayer family used to rule, but they left to marie jois. however the royals are still distant family, unlike the riku who were peasant compared to don quixote

and someday the manmayer just came back and decided to abduct gunko, the then princess

and imu brainwashed her then boom

[dense rapids]

Foreshadowing what’s under Elbaph

[shadow knoll]

what is that?

[dense rapids]

Elbaph and Vacation Island

It’s where the baroque works members were during little garden

The same arc giants were introduced

[shadow knoll]

ohhh, i completely forgot bout that one

[dense rapids]

I think it was shown the first chapter Elbaph was named

Yea

[ashen perch]

Damn that's actually crazy

That's definitely supposed to resemble Elbaf

[small ember]

The more I look at it, yeah

Insane

[dense rapids]

It’s just the tree with one layer

[small ember]

Not 1:1 but I see it

[dense rapids]

That’s why I think sunken below the underworld is a city just like that

I think the Ancient Kingdom itself

That’s why Elbaph is so important to Imu

Miss Goldenweek = Imu

Black Paint Reversal = Domi Reversi

The same chapter clover is shot while talking about the ancient kingdom

Could be foreshadowing the holy knights succeeding and taking a ship with the kids

[high wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/mihawk-one-piece-agenda-piece-mihawk-upscale-mrbeep-gif-4652002396828019758

[remote maple]

golden week peak

[grand flower]

👀

[remote maple]

https://tenor.com/view/miss-goldenweek-miss-goldenweek-one-piece-baroque-works-gif-1781025969431003896

[muted hedge]

Koby is so dope

[final trench]

#relax

I do wanna know koby’s origin tho

[muted hedge]

pure discipline

[calm goblet]

hello

[fallen meteor]

Olá

[olive sigil]

Hi

[remote maple]

witam

[pine ridge]

moi

[iron oriole]

ciao

[frail kindle]

https://tenor.com/view/french-man-gif-13335005780324492778

[vital heart]

Aloha!

[shell sinew]

I’ll be so mad if Koby has some legendary lineage or something. Not everyone needs to be some chosen one.

[mighty quarry]

Would you be mad if Coby has a D

[lucid dust]

Yes

Would ruin it

Ruinininit

[fallen meteor]

At this point I'd feel nothing

[vital heart]

You talking about Eustass Koby?

[fallen meteor]

The whole world can be a D.

[vital heart]

The long lost son of Eustass John?

[olive sigil]

You ok buddy?

[olive sigil]

I think the eustass is from the mother side

[mighty quarry]

I have a D in my actual IRL name which is pretty funny
My father's name starts with a D

[olive sigil]

Kidd is very similar to Sommers when you think about it

They both kept showing up for shanks after being defeated every time

[vital heart]

Lol ikr

Thats funny

Do you think that ever contributed to you liking op more?

[mighty quarry]

Not really. I didn't even realise this fact till after like 8 years I'd started reading

[buoyant comet]

What are the powers of the Loki fruit

[remote maple]

shapeshifting

[mighty quarry]

Undeniable rizz

[buoyant comet]

I've been saying that he got shapeshifting powers since day one 🔥

[buoyant comet]

🥀

[remote maple]

https://tenor.com/view/loki-itold-you-smile-smiling-tom-hiddleston-gif-22253729

[olive sigil]

Cloud logia

[hoary steppe]

Let it go

[remote maple]

cloud logia... so a water logia...

[olive sigil]

I can’t believe how fast all of you turned your back on Marin

A true friend sticks by cloud logia till the end

[buoyant comet]

Who is Marin...

[olive sigil]

Our bald friend

[buoyant comet]

They have my condolences 🙏

[remote maple]

this marin?

[hoary steppe]

Thats a chocked mermaid

[remote maple]

no, his name is marin

[hoary steppe]

How can ppl remember names

[remote maple]

im not kidding

he's one of the slaves in sabaody that was forced to dress up as a mermaid

[lucid dust]

Kozuki d oden

[olive sigil]

There’s literally a D there ready to use

Kozuki O D En

[olive sigil]

How do you not know Marin

[cosmic hamlet]

[remote maple]

I only know the true marin

[royal orchid]

!hackpost

[tropic nova]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/294551467820580864/1235937534870294538/1509499313288.jpg?ex=66363006&is=6634de86&hm=d4ad778d7e81abae44d0841e954aa54624a432055514d201c42045e921998feb&

[lucid dust]

Oden is the most d member

[fallen meteor]

Thats me hello

[fallen meteor]

Fake

[fallen meteor]

Its on the name

[rain cedar]

Do clouds even count as an element

[fallen meteor]

Do swamps count

[rain cedar]

They sound more feasible than clouds

[remote maple]

it's really just water

[rain cedar]

I feel like if there is a cloud fruit

It will be paramecia

[fallen meteor]

They can do both

Its just how its used

[remote maple]

if the cloud fruit had the properties of a logia id be a logia

[rain cedar]

Special paramecia

[fallen meteor]

Its how there's a gas and a smoke logia

[muted hedge]

weather logia

[rain cedar]

What is the spot fruit again

Soot

Logia or para?

[fallen meteor]

Makes no sense if you think about it

[remote maple]

the soot fruit is a logia

[rain cedar]

Was it confirmed

[remote maple]

yes

[olive sigil]

What’s a spot fruit?

[rain cedar]

Oh alr

[olive sigil]

It allows you to help people out at the gym?

[fallen meteor]

The rules for logias is whatever oda feels like

[rain cedar]

Yes, it's a mythic zoan

[remote maple]

[olive sigil]

I have the rule book. He can’t do what he wants

[fallen meteor]

Who wrote it

[rain cedar]

Actually ykw, I take it back. Lightning shouldn't be in there as well

[mighty quarry]

If Mud can be a logia, then cloud can be a logia

[fallen meteor]

Mud like
Prince Grus?

[mighty quarry]

No caribou

[tough igloo]

especially since he hasn’t dove deep into what Logias and their awakenings can do like he has with paramecias & zoans .. he can go crazy with those & will which is why he saving it for the final saga

[rain cedar]

Wasn't that clay

Caribou is swamp

[fallen meteor]

Its uhh swamp

[rain cedar]

Not mud

[mighty quarry]

Yeah that

[muted hedge]

Prince Grus feels like a special paramecia to me

[rain cedar]

Oda forgor about them

[olive sigil]

Yours truly

[fallen meteor]

Special paramecias are an oda mistake

[rain cedar]

Special paramecia was just a very convenient thing Oda added lmao

[fallen meteor]

He fucked up and had to rebrand it as a feature

[tough igloo]

yeah special paramecia will likely be a one time thing .. it only happened due to Oda’s own mistake

[olive sigil]

It’s rule 19.4 A of the devil fruit rule book

[tough igloo]

bro forgot Mochi wasn’t a natural element lol

[rain cedar]

Marin, how do you Justify loki as cloud logia when we have seen his silhouette

[fallen meteor]

Are you related to oda

[fallen meteor]

He can assume any form he wants

Look at Enel

[olive sigil]

Does he have to be related to me to follow my orders?

[proud pivot]

And he chose to be a furry 😹

[fallen meteor]

Animals are like his only friends

Poor guy

[rain cedar]

Like a 0.01% probability of it being a logia

But i respect the vision

[fallen meteor]

Yeah that's how it works

[olive sigil]

99.99% hope

[rain cedar]

Real

[olive sigil]

I’m just his boss

[sturdy steeple]

Pyrobloin logia

[fallen meteor]

Loki will assume this form soon

Its his gear 5

[spice cairn]

https://x.com/i/status/2013633834357592449

ほたジャニ (@hotajaniOP)

#ほぼ日ワンピきみにきめた
1.21 アントニオ&モルペコ🥣
売れ行き順調かと思ったらこいつの仕業か

X · Jan 20, 2026, 3:24 PM

[olive sigil]

My brain hurts

[spice cairn]

Its Antonio's birthday

[olive sigil]

Trying to remember who it is

Who’s Antonio?

[wraith mantle]

Hi

[olive sigil]

The Barman?

[spice cairn]

Hes the vender in Sabody

The guy with the samples

Chapter 497

[rain cedar]

This guy reads one piece seriously

[olive sigil]

I’ll go look it up

[spice cairn]

It was this scene in the anime

[olive sigil]

It’s a vague memory

[spice cairn]

Thats because he only exists for this one chapter

This is his only appearance to my knowledge

[olive sigil]

That’s no excuse

I should still remember him

[hot cairn]

guys what do you think Loki will do after the fight is over

[rain cedar]

Finding the galley la perhaps?

I can't see him being a ruler in elbaf

[olive sigil]

While he had a reason to kill Harald, it’s still a murder and he did other crimes. Tie him back up for another 90 years

[olive sigil]

Franky?

[hot cairn]

yeah me neither

even more after this recent chapter

[hot cairn]

I used to think he sailed out to see for that but it was just for revenge

[spice cairn]

You learn something new every day

[hot cairn]

LOL I don’t think he’s getting tied up again

[spice cairn]

Now Antonio is apart of your brain

[thick mango]

He manslaughtered harald at worst

[hot cairn]

I think he might join Hajrudin’s crew

[rain cedar]

Yk, maybe with Luffy, I think he might continue with that

Especially after Imu himself came to assault Elbaf

[fallen meteor]

Only if he joins as another captain

I dont see him joining anything he isnt the captain/leader

That's why I dont see him on sh or bb

[hot cairn]

with Luffy?

[hot cairn]

yeah me neither

[rain cedar]

The other gallelia

[hot cairn]

itll be two captains

like Dorry and Broggy

[rain cedar]

Technically, even though Luffys goal isn't that

Since finding the one piece is all about disturbing the world order

I can actually picture another crazy combination of dragon and loki since their vision is similar but that's more like a fanfic lmao

[olive sigil]

The galleras?

[olive sigil]

That’s why Harald failed

He didn’t have a brother

[fallen meteor]

Now that's interesting

[hot cairn]

he didn’t have a partner

[olive sigil]

Where was Halland when Harald needed his help

[hot cairn]

that sounds really cool

[fallen meteor]

Even more if Loki is some sort of (cloud) dragon

[rain cedar]

The revos would be unstoppable

[hot cairn]

oh yeah Marin

[rain cedar]

Yep

[hot cairn]

isnt your theory dead after 1170

[fallen meteor]

No why

It got stronger

[olive sigil]

Every generation of giants have their pairs. What happened to Harald’s pair. We need an even further back flashback to find out

[hot cairn]

the fruit is an animal

[olive sigil]

There’s a sad story somewhere

[fallen meteor]

How can you prove that

[olive sigil]

Have you ever looked at clouds?

They can take many shapes

That’s the beauty of logias

[fallen meteor]

Exactly

[hot cairn]

the roar, the running in four legs and the shadow

[hot cairn]

I have yes

[fallen meteor]

Its like karasu(?) doing birds and wings with soot

[hot cairn]

fair enough

[fallen meteor]

He just did that

[rain cedar]

Clouds aren't exactly sharp

[iron oriole]

why does Smoker not make smoke animals

is he dumb?

[fallen meteor]

Yes

[fallen meteor]

They can be if you shape them

[rain cedar]

That's stretching it yk

[fallen meteor]

Clouds can be stretchy too

[rain cedar]

So i guess loki and Luffy are brothers

[fallen meteor]

Yes thats why he thinks hes nika

He looks like what he saw in the mural

White cloudy and stretchy

[rain cedar]

I actually agree because they're two sides of the same coin

Nika was also described to be a figure who might bring about destruction

That's loki

The other version we are familiar with is Luffy

[iron oriole]

we have solid clouds, called Iron Clouds...

[fallen meteor]

Clouds in one piece are crazy versatile

[rain cedar]

I forgot about these lmao

[fallen meteor]

We have all the regular weather clouds + all the Skypea stuff

[iron oriole]

theres lots of variety in clouds

[torn kite]

So like how strong is Kidd without any metal around

[rain cedar]

[maiden crystal]

still strong as luffy physically

[torn kite]

Current luffy?

[maiden crystal]

yes in physical strength kid is probably stronger than luffy

[olive sigil]

For all the doubters out there

Explain milky clouds

How can you see that and not think that COW PIECE IS REAL 🐮 🐄

[iron oriole]

its not milky clouds

its just the section of sea clouds is called Milky Road

[olive sigil]

Yeah and that’s related to cow piece

[iron oriole]

Law Piece >

[olive sigil]

It could have been a brick road, asphalt road, road the giant road but they called it milky road

[olive sigil]

There’s no laws in one piece

The world government do what they want

[hot cairn]

no

[alpine trench]

law deserves to be dead

[upbeat yarrow]

exactly, the same as milky way galaxy implies the existence of a galactic cow

[alpine trench]

let the man #die in peace

[thick mango]

Maybe the sh die at elbaf and law becomes the new main character

[upbeat yarrow]

a bovine of galactic proportions

[iron oriole]

in one peace?

[hot cairn]

drop worthy

genuinely

[rose rune]

"I will carry on your will straw hat... the will of D..."

[hot cairn]

trash

garbage

[upbeat yarrow]

id rather read b*ruto

[hot cairn]

remember guys

Law isnt going to Laughtale with the crew

[muted hedge]

why Law out of everyone

[iron oriole]

SHs die & Tama becomes the MC

[thick mango]

You addedsome extra letters to your "is"

[olive sigil]

You’ve been reported

[hot cairn]

nah that’s exactly how it is meant to be

[thick mango]

I dunno he seemed like he was the topic before I showed up

[hot cairn]

Law isnt going

[muted hedge]

ah

[alpine trench]

best spread of the last chap in full HQ raws

[hot cairn]

he’s not going to get carried by Luffy to the last island

[upbeat yarrow]

although if shs die in elbaf and blackbeard becomes the mc then one piece will finally be good

[hot cairn]

art was so good this chapter

[thick mango]

You need a better reason than "I don't want him there" if you're gonna deny law his dream. Any other version of accomplishing this dream is even more so being carried

[rain cedar]

It's been good since the start of Elbaf. The eye surgery did wonders

[alpine trench]

indeed

[hot cairn]

I think that’s reason enough

fuck Law

[thick mango]

Well story isn't being written by someone who hates law. So it probably isn't

[hot cairn]

yeah fr this arc has had amazing art

[upbeat yarrow]

damn i've been lacking on my hating game

[hot cairn]

there’s other ways of him finding out the will of D, many people besides the strawhats will find out eventually

[olive sigil]

No matter what he does, he’s not going to achieve it without having someone hand it out to him. So might as well just send him a letter. Or have him learn it via Morgans. Him being there on the most important moment of the SH lives is so wrong. He shouldn’t be there and won’t be. Also, not everyone gets to achieve their dreams, law can rot in hell

[rain cedar]

reminder that we actually saw law being saved instead of a certain red haired pirate with no hands and no ship

[olive sigil]

Being on open sea with a hungry polar bear isn’t saved

[hot cairn]

you have

[olive sigil]

It’s a death sentence

[rain cedar]

The polar bear loves him

[tough igloo]

facts , Oda loves that man 😂

[brittle basin]

Sanjuan's hatred of Law is nearing Socrates' love of Loki.

[olive sigil]

The polar bear will get hungry

[thick mango]

Any version other than him going is worse. And oda not gonna pursue the worst option out of petty dislike for law

[olive sigil]

I don’t post dead law art every day

[hot cairn]

other options are not worse

[olive sigil]

Because mods tell me I’m not allowed

[hot cairn]

they’re fine

[tough igloo]

what did Law do to him ? lol must’ve taken some screen time away from one of his fav SHs

[rain cedar]

They hate law because he has swag

[brittle basin]

Not yet.

[rain cedar]

😎

[olive sigil]

From all of the strawhats

[hot cairn]

One Piece became the Law show for far too long

[thick mango]

Something like learning from Robin or the paper or whatever is absolutely worse than going to learn it firsthand

[hot cairn]

he took the attention from the crew

that bastard

[brittle basin]

No idea, but it's entertaining.

[tough igloo]

lol he was more interesting than the ones he took screen time away from though ?

[olive sigil]

Ruined my enjoyment of the story for year

[rain cedar]

Chopper loved law. The crew isn't complaining

[hot cairn]

he aint a strawhat, only strawhats at Laughtale

[olive sigil]

He’s never been interesting. I hated every single second of it

[olive sigil]

And law hated chopper

[rain cedar]

Same vibe as law made up his backstory to make people feel bad for him lmao

[hot cairn]

Law is more interesting that which strawhat exactly?

[upbeat yarrow]

honestly i'd sacrifice law for more usopp

[brittle basin]

But yes, only Straw Hats at Laugh Tale please.

[hot cairn]

the crew is filled of nice people

[olive sigil]

I don’t feel bad for him. I feel bad for Corazon, he didn’t follow his legacy

[hot cairn]

I’m not that nice

[thick mango]

Says who. Law got a new dream. It could have been anything. Oda wouldn't assign a new dream to law he has no intention of letting him achieve

[upbeat yarrow]

and Buggy

[hot cairn]

true

[hot cairn]

100%

[olive sigil]

I’d sacrifice law for the love of the game

[tough igloo]

Law storyline during post timeskip was more interesting than whatever straw hats you claim he took attention away from .. cause i don’t see any straw hats who could’ve played a bigger role in those scenarios if law wasn’t around

[hot cairn]

I didn’t say he wasn’t achieving it

[muted hedge]

Lodestar is a freezone, anyone can reach it
but i agree it would be odd if anyone but the Straw Hats reached Laughtale

[rain cedar]

#gatekeeplaughtale

[thick mango]

The way to achieve it is to go to laugh tale. It's not meaningfully achieved if he learns secondhand. It's like someone else achieved it for him.

[muted hedge]

unironically

[hot cairn]

dawg him getting carried to Laughtale is someone else achieving it for him

[dense pike]

i mean thats essentially Burnscars job

[rain cedar]

Lmao

[steel stirrup]

Hey Lemon

[dense pike]

Hey Rich

[hot cairn]

we’ll never know because Law’s bitch ass took all of the attention

[steel stirrup]

Hru

[dense pike]

im alr

[tough igloo]

so you can’t name any scenarios where Law took attention away from the straw hats but claims he took attention away from the straw hats …. got it lol

[steel stirrup]

Glad you're doing good Goat

[hot cairn]

ruined the story for so many arcs fr

[thick mango]

It's less so than learning from Robin. Which is less so than learning from the paper. It's not a binary thing.
Do you really think oda gave law a new dream planning to write a conclusion panel of him reading the newspaper?

[hot cairn]

Punk Hazard to Dressrosa Law became the main character

fuck Law

[hot cairn]

yes

[tough igloo]

again you keep repeating the same thing but have shown no examples of him taking attention away from the straw hats .. sounds more like something you heard someone else say and just keep repeating it cause you don’t like Law 🤦🏾‍♂️ lol

[rain cedar]

You gotta agree that the virgo fight was hard cmon

[hot cairn]

#onlystrawhatsatlaughtale

[ashen perch]

I think Robin is going to do a big VP style speech once they learn the true history, so Law can get his answers via that

[hot cairn]

true

[thick mango]

This sucks. That's his dream? Watch the tv?

[ashen perch]

yeah

[alpine trench]

his dream is to know what the meaning of the D is

[olive sigil]

Because they weren’t allowed to play those roles. Oda took it from them. How can a character be relevant if they’re not given the time to explore their story. Franky’s relationship with Luffy can’t grow and be interesting if oda doesn’t have them talk for 8 years

[hot cairn]

yeah I don’t like Law, I thought that was clear

[alpine trench]

he will know it later

[ashen perch]

he wants answers man, it doesnt really matter how

[hot cairn]

he’ll be fine with learning it like that

he doesn’t mind

he asked Sengoku straight up

[dense pike]

EoS Law 😭

[ashen perch]

yeah

[hot cairn]

trying to aura farm too hard

[ashen perch]

I mean Robin could directly personally tell him too if that idea feels too strange to you lol

that definitely works as well

[hot cairn]

it does

[ashen perch]

but either way, he is not gonna be there at Laugh Tale, nuh uh, only Strawhats are allowed in

[tough igloo]

“I don’t like law “

“ why don’t you like Law ?“

“ because he took attention away from the straw hats “

“ can you show me some examples where you felt he took away from the straw hats ? “

“ he was the MC for post timeskip , I don’t like him”

“can you show me examples ? “

“ i don’t like Law “

😂😂🤦🏾‍♂️🤷🏾‍♂️

[hot cairn]

cook Arsal

[thick mango]

this is like zoro becoming the WSS by mihawk dying of unrelated colon cancer

[ashen perch]

many want to go to Laugh Tale, they are not going to, they never should

[hot cairn]

Zoro’s and Law’s dream aren’t comparable at ALL

[alpine trench]

its not like zoro's dream because zoro's dream is actually important and law's is not, law is a side character and zoro is not

[thick mango]

its like vegapunk curing every disease and chopping saying... ah well i gues diseases are cured now

[hot cairn]

exactly lmaoooo

[alpine trench]

law can be forgotten, zoro is not

[thick mango]

its like nami finding a map of the world and calling the dream done

[hot cairn]

again

not comparable

[muted hedge]

Law is the cool kid

[alpine trench]

this is not like a strawhat's dream

[ashen perch]

Law's goal is to get answers, what matters is him getting them

[hot cairn]

Nami is a strawhat

[alpine trench]

law can sit and wait it out

[iron oriole]

if theres anyone going to Laugh Tale outside of the SHs its Buggy

[thick mango]

law probably has as much maybe more time hanging with the crew than jinbe

[hallow herald]

one piece

[olive sigil]

Luffy barely interacted with the strawhats because he was occupied being disrespected by law. Law took the second most important enemy of every arc from punk hazard to wano. The others never got that attention. They were pushed to the back. Now if you like that he got that congratulations but for me it was painful to see and I didn’t like it one bit

[rain cedar]

One piece if it was absolute garbage and trash

[dense pike]

True
Law is not a journey > destination kind of guy

[ashen perch]

yeah

[hot cairn]

so? He isn’t a strawhat tho

[alpine trench]

and he still isnt a strawhat, jinbei is

[tough igloo]

it’s only two options for Laughtale

-either only the straw hats go

• everybody goes and it’s a big war/battle there

[iron oriole]

Buggy always falls upwards, only way up from Yonko is....

[hallow herald]

hey idk if anybody has said this but what if Lodestar is at the top of Elbaf like a star on top of a Christmas Tree

[rain cedar]

King of the world you mean

[muted hedge]

it should be only the Straw Hats

[rain cedar]

[iron oriole]

true

[alpine trench]

elbaf is not at the end of the sea

[muted hedge]

if everyone just came to Laughtale all of a sudden, it would diminish the meaning of reaching it

[thick mango]

i hope carrot, yamato, kid, and the corpse of big mom all go to laugh tale too

[rain cedar]

Sneaking in kidd

Wild

[thick mango]

the unicycle guy in buggys crew? Hes going to laugh tale

[alpine trench]

good one but law isnt

[olive sigil]

But he never formed a bond. Ask him and he’ll tell you he hated every second of being there

[hot cairn]

yeah Law is not like Luffy and Robin, if he had the chance to ask Rayleigh for answers he wouldn’t blink twice

[hot cairn]

none of them are strawhats

[alpine trench]

hope that helps, law is not as important as the strawhats, his dream can be fulfilled by some other means

[thick mango]

but why should it be

[ashen perch]

nobody should get to Laugh Tale if they are not the PK and his crew, now that goes against dreams that are hell of a lot more significant than Law's

[thick mango]

all you guys say is 'because i say so'

youre setting up all these gatekeepy ideas that luffy never speaks of himself

[alpine trench]

the story is suggesting with law's defeat that his dream of reaching the end is a failure

[ashen perch]

the whole idea of Laugh Tale is if you get there, youre the Pirate King.

[hot cairn]

yep

[muted hedge]

Robin will probably call him through a den den mushi and tell him what the D means

[hot cairn]

the story says so

[thick mango]

where?

[dense pike]

Essentially, lets say Rayleigh offered to tell Law about the One Piece like he did for Luffy.

• If you think Law would take the offer, then you believe Law values the destination more than the journey, which could very well translate to how he feels about wanting to know the answer to the D's —> he wants the answers, regardless of who finds them
• If you think Law would decline like Luffy did, you believe Law values the journey more than the destination, which could very well translate to how he feels about wanting to know the answer to the D's —> he wants to be the one to find the answers himself

[olive sigil]

The pirate king and his crew, his subordinates. Law would never follow Luffy as his captain

[ashen perch]

yeah

[thick mango]

where does luffy express any intent to gatekeep or express any idea that such gatekeeping is improtant

[ashen perch]

???

[olive sigil]

Law being a pragmatic bitch he’d take Rayleigh’s offer

[alpine trench]

what is gatekeeping about this

[dense pike]

agreed

[ashen perch]

I dont think he needs to gatekeep anything, its just the nature of the title

[alpine trench]

luffy wants to go to laugh tale and law as well, they're both rivals, they literally fought about this

what are you talking about

"i'm going first" is the last thing they did before leaving wano

[olive sigil]

If I achieve my dream and someone tells me it’s gatekeeping not to share it I’m punching them in the face

[alpine trench]

and even when leaving wano they competed with each other

its winners come first

do you think this is a collaborative effort

[olive sigil]

Arsal please

[thick mango]

i think itll come after final war which will be a thoroughly collaborative effort yes

[olive sigil]

Can you share your mod role with me

[hot cairn]

whoever gets to Laugthale first becomes the Pirate King. That is a fact. Law and Luffy are rivals.

[olive sigil]

If you don’t you’re a gatekeeper

[hot cairn]

that's what the story says

[alpine trench]

getting to laugh tale is not going to be a collaborative effort, its a war for the throne

[dense pike]

Ironic since he went to Winner's island and lost

[rain cedar]

Law doesn't have the poneglyph copies anyway right

[olive sigil]

What in the power of friendship garbage would this be

[thick mango]

all i can do is wait and enjoy the day yall crash out about it i guess

[hot cairn]

it's not a search party man lol even if it happens at final war only one person can become pirate king

[hot cairn]

exactly

[olive sigil]

Luffy struggling to get to laugh tale, law, urouge and Stansen show up behind him and together they push until they finally arrive at the island

[hot cairn]

yep

he already lost

[rain cedar]

No point debating then

[thick mango]

law doesnt care about becoming pirate king. He wants the information that we know is on laugh tale. Oda didnt have to give him the desire to have this information. This isnt a stale thing that we need to work around. Very recently, oda gave law the dream to learn the secrets of the D. He didnt make that decision to draw an exciting panel of law reading the newspaper or watching TV

[alpine trench]

crash out about law getting to laugh tale? is that what you believe lol? that law will also go to laugh tale and hang around like a sore thumb while the strawhats actually find it? that would be diminishing the strawhats journey to get there from what we've seen of them from the start to have some rival guy tag along

[rain cedar]

He's out out

How the fuck would law even find his way to laugh tale

[pulsar path]

Ohara saying that possibly Loki has the the god of war elbaf fruit

[rain cedar]

You need the poneglyphs to triangulate the position

[alpine trench]

he made that decision to have law want a new purpose to signal law's moving on from the personal aim of getting back at doffy to the bigger pirate aim of wanting to find out the true history of the name he has been given

[runic dock]

Ohara be saying shit

[alpine trench]

now he can get to law and kid being on the same boat as luffy's true rivals

and then having them compete and win over the older generation

finally putting them out of the race while luffy prevails

law's finding of purpose is not to give him some reason to tag along with the crew

[olive sigil]

Ok so if buggy shows up and says I don’t want the title I’ll just take the money is that ok? Luffy will take everything. Everything that the world has to offer. Law doesn’t get to just show up say I’ll take this little part. That’s one the one piece. It’s one piece, not 0.98 piece

[hot cairn]

it doesnt matter if Law doesnt care, whoever gets first to Laughtale becomes PK. It's not a shared title lol. Luffy and Law are rivals and Law lost. Oda gave Law that dream but that dream is not comparable at all with none of the strawhats. Law is a side charcater and we can already tell Oda is treating him as such with his defeat to BB, he already lost the race to the OP.

[thick mango]

right. hes not racing to be pirate king. He just wants the knowledge. I dont see why he could not tag along after probably working directly with luffy through the final war.

[rain cedar]

Unless he can open a magic portal, i can't see him finding his way to laugh tale

Or you're suggesting he starts hunting the SH like a loser to tag along lmao

[olive sigil]

Guys I’m going to laugh tale!!!!!!

I don’t care about the title so Luffy won’t care, I just want to pick up some rocks and leave while they’re celebrating. I promise I won’t take too much time

[thick mango]

i see him just tagging along, probably with a few other folks as well. I dont have the same feeling that its some sacred thing that only SH can go to. He wont need to hunt the SH down everyone is gonna be mushed together in teh snowball of the giant war

[rain cedar]

See, the entire point of him losing the poneglyphs was that he's officially out

I can't see Oda backtracking

[thick mango]

im not saying hes getting there himself, im saying he gets to go with SH

[olive sigil]

How much does it cost?

I also want to go with them

[dense pike]

> Backtrack to Wholecake
> Shambles into BM's vault
> Copy poneglyph
> Steal a tarte ship
> Go back to Wano
> Make Momo summon Zunesha
> Bepo gets Zou rubbings
> You get Wano rubbings
> Have Sukiyaki translate all of the rubbings
> Make Minatomo build you a ship
> Sail by Elbaph (to laugh at Kidd)
> Wait for Luffy to fight Burnscar
> Trafalgar D. Victory

[upbeat yarrow]

i think theres a very clear reason why shanks and blackbeard (2 emperors) defeated kid and law respectively, i dont really mind law tagging along the crew but in my eyes its pretty evident

[hot cairn]

lmao

[thick mango]

it costs at least a few different arcs of being a useful ally. Vivi wont get to go, of course.

[hot cairn]

LOL

[thick mango]

she doesnt have enough stamps on her useful ally punch card

[olive sigil]

I’ve been here since water 7

[hot cairn]

I can see Vivi going with the crew more than freaking Law

[pulsar path]

All the tubers lately been saying shit I feel like

[rain cedar]

[iron oriole]

well thats because Vivi is actually going to join

[hot cairn]

Law is not part of the crew, why would he tag along?

[runic dock]

Everyone wants to have the cool unique take that is also right

[olive sigil]

Step 1 of that plan leads to him being one shot by freaking charlotte yuen

[dense pike]

Not if hes sneaky enough

[runic dock]

Not as bad as getting one shot by Charlotte Nguyen

[thick mango]

cause its his dream. Hes friendly with the SH. They would have no reason to deny him if he asked. They will be in the same place in the final war snowball and will work together, further cementing that friendliness

[rain cedar]

Hey man, do you know BM will come to Elbaf

[runic dock]

Yes

[pulsar path]

Yeah ever since tekking called the rodo being the " sun god" they been all trying to get that prediction points

[iron oriole]

Tekking the GOAT for that one though

[runic dock]

I feel like the mural also activated something in people

[iron oriole]

bro called out his fucking boots

[steel stirrup]

Absolutely

[dense pike]

i remember before the reveal, I also came to the conclusion that it would be either Rodo or Gerd, but I leaned more towards Gerd given the shoes seemed more feminine

tbf it wasnt a hard conclusion to reach. I just looked at which giants had similar shoes

[hot cairn]

he was friendly with the strawhats because they were in an allaince, the alliance is now over. There’s no reason for the strawhats to just carry him over to Laughtale. We don’t even know if they’re going to be in the same snowball in final war yet. You’re jumping the gun. And again, his dream is not as important as the main character’s dream, he’s a side character.

there’s no denying that

[olive sigil]

I tried reading the mural but as of now none of my predictions have worked

[runic dock]

Reading the mural doesn’t guarantee you good theories

Just guarantees you many

[distant vine]

Law wont be on Laugh Tale

[rain cedar]

Reading comprehension does

[distant vine]

Its funny to think about though.

[olive sigil]

Was he friendly?

[runic dock]

[cosmic hamlet]

Maybe the mural is wrong

[hot cairn]

debatable

[upbeat yarrow]

only non-strawhat allowed is buggy, cause it'd be real funni

[rain cedar]

Let's be real, It was just in character for law to act like an edgelord. It was friendly

[olive sigil]

I remember him being a dick to them, telling chopper to shut up, never smiling, being bitter all the time, disrespecting Sanji’s cooking

[rain cedar]

Zoro low-key does 4/5 of those LOL

[distant vine]

Zoro does all that to some people

[hot cairn]

part of the reason why I don’t like the guy, his whole edgelord shtick

[distant vine]

LOL

[runic dock]

About law and kidd , I’d like to think when they split up at the end of wano when they said maybe next time we might be enemies that they mean that , because that’s more interesting

[dense pike]

Hes a tsundere ❤️
and most of the SHs have good enough people-reading skills to understand that

[rain cedar]

He's genuinely written to be the male equivalent of a tsundere

Just With less cute moments

[opal gulch]

has anyone figured out what the overall purpose/plotline was for the cross guild, are croc, mihawk and buggy just there for a laugh?

[distant vine]

He also deals with a lot of their trouble so they cant complain too much

[hot cairn]

wild cards

[runic dock]

To make mihawk vs zoro feel less random

[thick mango]

I dont think oda would have given him a new dream with no intention of having him accomplish it. And I think hearing it from robin, reading it in the newspaper, or seeing it on TV are all inferior. I cannot imagine oda gave him a new dream with the intention of drawing a panel of him acheving it watching tv. Its in chapter 996.This isnt some stale thread oda doesnt know what to do with like loki marrying lola. Its an idea he recently introduced

[distant vine]

Id say its to consolidate past villians into a group for final war

Rather than them all having individual motivations and stories to lead them there

[rain cedar]

Cross guild is the coolest thing Oda came up with in a while

All it's lacking is doffy

[distant vine]

Law I think could solo half the crew

Well not even think. Just body switch them again

[opal gulch]

if thats the case that whole thing kinda feels forced, in the final war, pirates and civilians band up against common aggressor the world government. Why would they fight?

[olive sigil]

To Sanji. But even then he’s friendly with them when needed. He appreciates being around them. There’s a difference between being stoic like Zoro and being a prick like Law. Zoro doesn’t go around telling chopper to shut up. He has good intentions with his friends.

You can have friendly banter, but law has never said anything positive about Luffy. He’s a bitter prick. Luffy sees him as a rival but also a friend and the feeling is not mutual

[rain cedar]

The pirates have always had reason to fight the WG

It's not forced

[thick mango]

Like put your hate for law aside for a second and be real, do you really think oda drew this panel thinking "I cant wait for him to read it in the newspaper"

[distant vine]

He said something positive about Luffy in Marineford

[opal gulch]

its randmon already unless the sh's and the cross guild actuallly have a beef fighting over the one piece its gonna be lame

[hot cairn]

again, I didn’t say he isn’t accomplishing it. There are many ways and you thinking they’re inferior doesnt mean they can’t happen. Oda gave dreams to many side characters. Buggy wants to be the King of the Pirates, BB wants the world, it doesnt mean they’re getting those things tho, with Law’s case he could learn about it because it’ll become available information by the time everything’s done. Law isnt a strawhat, Law isnt a main character.

[thick mango]

These dreams are mutually exclusive with the dreams of straw hats. Law learning the history is not

[hot cairn]

I didn’t say he’ll learn it from the newspaper, I said he won’t be in Laughtale with the crew

[opal gulch]

then why infighting? The final war is everyone against the world government right?

[dense pike]

To make the race more thrilling
it feels more enthralling to have each racing team have their own attitudes-, strategies- and skillsets when racing
its like Wacky races
or Ratrace
or Its a mad mad mad mad world

[royal orchid]

Law is coming back at least next arc for sure to me

and he's PISSED

[runic dock]

Well yeah buggy seems like he’s gonna go after op now , so they will have beef

[opal gulch]

they could treat it like a race to get rid of the oppressors i guess i didnt think about that

[hot cairn]

it is because to learn the history he needs to get to Laughtale, which is something the Strawhats want to accomplish and they’re enemies.

[rain cedar]

Pirates are not a United bunch unless it's about the WG. They infight for resources but the Marines are the common enemy

[thick mango]

Theyre not really enemies cmon

thats just some shit you say

[hot cairn]

LOL yes they are, the allaince is over

that’s a fact

[thick mango]

whatever we just going in circles on this, only time will tell.

[rain cedar]

We saw it at the end of wano. It was Luffy vs law vs kidd

[royal orchid]

luffy won

[rain cedar]

My goat

[dense pike]

It gives the feeling of watching an ensamble-piece. While obviously the strawhats are our main protagonists, we get to see glimpses of the other competitors on their journies too! Oh how delightfully riveting

[olive sigil]

Buggy wants the money on laugh tale. Luffy wants the title. That’s mutually exclusive. They can come in and share it with him. Do you want a line of people showing up and taking what Luffy doesn’t want from laugh tale?

[hot cairn]

my goat fr

[thick mango]

No I think buggy does want the title.

[opal gulch]

The cross guild could find laugh tale by sheer luck and then encounter the straw hats as they find the last island and have a good old davey back fight

[thick mango]

But this is like trying to talk to socrates about loki its just pointless no matter what i say you already have your conclusion

[royal orchid]

Kidd, Law and Luffy post wano enemies POV:

[rain cedar]

I think the story would implode if buggy found laugh tale by pure luck lmao

Not happening

[royal orchid]

it's like the oldest joke ever

[olive sigil]

He does but he also wants the money. Law also wants the title along with the meaning of D. So you can just come in and tell Luffy you’ll take some part of the treasure and leave him the title? Is that how this works?

[thick mango]

i dont think law does want the title

[dense pike]

In hindsight, its a bit ironic that someone named after someone from ancient Greece is so fond of a character based on Norse mythology

[rain cedar]

Yes, one I pray never becomes real

[opal gulch]

but whenever i think of usurpation i think about the power gap thats going to be left behind, does the world need a construct that runs the marines?

[olive sigil]

Then why is he in the race

[dark nymph]

Yeah that would be crazy, like if shanks had an evil twin or something

[thick mango]

Where does he say that? I showed you the panel where he says the history is what he cares about

[royal orchid]

30 years of story just for buggy to get glazed at the end

[rain cedar]

Shanks evil twin has been a bazillion times more plausible than this

[olive sigil]

Last chapter of Wano

[dense pike]

dunno, im just saying theyre racing for the One Piece 🤷‍♂️

[opal gulch]

i wouldnt put it past oda, the dude has been falling upwards since the start of the story and we still need a purpose for his pirate crew

[dark nymph]

I think multiple people will arrive at laugh tale at almost the same time

[rain cedar]

Surely Oda wont

[opal gulch]

i think so aswell, it wouldnt make sense for us to backtrack

[dark nymph]

Question is will it be the SHs or BBP first

[opal gulch]

when i say us i mean the straw hats ofc

[rain cedar]

There might be an all out battle for burn scar

But not for laugh tale

[opal gulch]

oda kinda hinted at some unknown character getting introduced

possibly the burnt scar character

[pulsar path]

That mural activated me for sure lmao

[pulsar path]

Lol wow close huh

[rose rune]

https://tenor.com/view/neuron-activation-neuron-gif-1455356329209493514

[opal gulch]

rodo can just go away

[dark nymph]

Shanks and Buggy have to reach it

It just seems right cause they couldn’t go before

[prisma idol]

Oh like what

[thick mango]

Unless you mean that he shows a general competativeness that is to be expected, no he doesnt. Theres no line in 1056 or 1057 that indicates law cares about getting the title.

[prisma idol]

I havent been watching them with the latest chapters because they can be a bit much

[opal gulch]

shanks and buggy meeting up at laugh tale and doing the predator hand shanke would be goated

[olive sigil]

Why else are they fighting over who goes to each next island, why are they being competitive about getting off the island, the guy could have done anything after Wano yet he decided to keep going towards laugh tale

[thick mango]

they just are competative thats their personality. Thats why they launch over the edge of the island when taunted about using a safe port. Thats not a strategic decision that is the best way to accomplish their goals. its a petty act of good natured rivalry among semi-friends

[hot cairn]

it’s a competition, there’s going to be losers

[opal gulch]

im happy that we got so many cool characters this arc

last arc we had none

[dark nymph]

Shaka was cool

[rain cedar]

Genuinely, where did this idea of laugh tale being a battle royale island come from

[hot cairn]

you’re right, they haven’t been entertaining to watch during Elbaph

[rain cedar]

Isn't the whole point of them competing that only winners get to the island. Why the fuck would they all be on it

[royal orchid]

winner island
more than one person is in the island
?

[opal gulch]

i think thats most people honestly, how else are we gonna get all the top pirate crews and the imu's private army to meet up and battle... no one is gonna backtrack at this point

[rain cedar]

See, finding the burnscar man is supposed to give you the last poneglyph. Like the whole point is that one guy takes away the key to find the one piece

The final war can come well after the one piece is found

Because that's what we have been told. Finding the one piece destroys the world order

[opal gulch]

oda said the end of the story is when we see the one piece

[rain cedar]

That's the catalyst for the final war imo

[hot cairn]

yeah I dont get it, there's many places that type of fight could happen in

[hot cairn]

yep

[opal gulch]

but then again as people say "oda is not a credible source" so who knows

[keen quiver]

They are all gonna get on that island

Unless oda wants this to happen on lodestar

Very likely

[rain cedar]

There should be a server wide bet

[rain cedar]

I think that's more likely than laugh tale

[hot cairn]

I've been saying this for years

[keen quiver]

I don't gamble

[opal gulch]

at least we know now that pretimeskip shenanigans are over, whatever island we land at after elbaf is gonna be lodestar or laugh tale... wich is sad

[scenic dirge]

nah it's good

[wanton sundial]

gih

[buoyant comet]

Dih

[jaunty flare]

Mih

[proud pivot]

Lih

[tall heron]

Meh - 🗿

[marsh violet]

https://tenor.com/view/crab-dancing-crab-party-rave-cool-moves-gif-15701153

[buoyant comet]

https://tenor.com/view/luffy-backshots-luffy-backshots-luffy-getting-backshots-one-piece-luffy-gif-4323405671947050888

[opal gulch]

maybe some older people that have been following the story for a long time just want it to be over, for oda to get some rest i get it

[marsh violet]

wtf is this gif

[rose rune]

https://tenor.com/view/ad-commercial-one-piece-clean-cleaning-gif-7221079789539622651

[inner agate]

lodestar will be the battle royale

[buoyant comet]

Kureha breaking luffys back 😩

[dense pike]

Tbf, even if it is Lodestar, its probably just gonna be to send the crew somewhere else yk. Might even give lore about a diff island we need to go to before laugh tale or something

[marsh violet]

https://tenor.com/view/eggman-sonic-4000pontos-pontos-gif-19595352

[rain cedar]

Vira theories will never die

[dense pike]

Vira hype

[digital spear]

Vira soon

[hot cairn]

I genuinely think the next arc will be a new island

[buoyant comet]

Viva Vira

[opal gulch]

Right now we are close to the 50th chapter of current arc. I imagine oda and his team have a roadmap, maybe the plan is to end the story within the next 100-150 chapters

[buoyant comet]

(never happening btw)

[dense pike]

okay

[hot cairn]

https://x.com/sk_one_piece/status/2013620091003301900?s=20 @sage temple

かっちゃん (@sk_one_piece)

エルバフ衣装モコモコでかわいい☁️

#ONEPIECE

X · Jan 20, 2026, 2:30 PM

[dense pike]

Aww they even added his animal friends

[digital spear]

Loki joining the crew will make Zoro & Sanji Yonko level

[rain cedar]

Surely Oda wont bait with another fake crewmate

[dense pike]

unless he gets nerfed in the Elbaph climax by somehow being reduced in size

[opal gulch]

just pure guess and my headcannon the series has been going for a while and i can only imagine our poor mangaka is getting tired at this point. He never originally intended the story to be this long. So i think its fair for him to try to plot the exit of the story

[dense pike]

👍

[graceful steeple]

Chat, I'm in Ennies Lobby, how would you rate this part from Water 7 saga?

Please no spoilers :)

[runic dock]

10/10, it made me fall in love with op

[opal gulch]

im not gonna spoil you need to watch the rest

so once you watch both arcs we will talk

[runic dock]

Loki said no

Loki has told his tale and his side of things but as things stand luffy has done and said nothing amazing to convince loki to join him

[graceful steeple]

Yeah, it gets to present Nico Robin (my wife) story and more characthers with sick designs

[runic dock]

He is nobody to loki

[runic dock]

Great fights , great stakes , great story , great moments

[rain cedar]

No space on the ship

[runic dock]

Even if there is , presentation matters , loki isn’t like brook you can’t just walk up to him and expect him to go along , he might need a lot more convincing than that

[hot cairn]

tbf most of the crew memembers said no to Luffy at first

[fallen meteor]

not an issue
loki probably can go tiny with his cloud logia powers
or if he has a (cloud) zoan (logia) chopper can chibify him somehow so we get another mascot character

[rain cedar]

Yeah, it's not odd to deny

[runic dock]

And none of them except Brook just went along happy go lucky right away

[rain cedar]

LORD strike Odas house down if loki becomes a mascot

Actual Nightmare

[runic dock]

The point is convincing needs to take place and if there isn’t they’re viable to not join

[runic dock]

I don’t see loki on his crew anyway , I see bb winning loki in a Davy back fight

[rain cedar]

I think there's definitely chance for loki to be actually convinced. Still no on him joining the crew though

[wraith ingot]

Loki will probably lead the giant pirates or smth

[buoyant comet]

Winning Loki from whom?

[runic dock]

From SH as soon as they obtain him he arrives to scoop him up lol , Loki won’t like it at first , but somehow people still respect the rules of a Davy back fight even cut throat pirates lol , but eventually bb will tell Loki some shit that’ll convince him and make him go apeshit on Mariejois

[rain cedar]

There's another option: grand fleet

[runic dock]

Ah yes the boring option

[rain cedar]

Real lmao

[runic dock]

Pit him in the background with the other losers

[buoyant comet]

If you think that Luffy is gonna accept a davyback from BB then you're out of your mind. Luffys gonna kill him on sight that boy doesn't have time to be playing games 😭

[runic dock]

Their Davy back fight might just be a straight fight anyway and since this isn’t near the end of the series that much yet , bb can win this one to build himself up more (luffy wins their next fight )

[mortal yarrow]

Why would Luffy accept a davyback from BB instead of just kicking his shit in for all the horrible slights BB has pulled against him?

[buoyant comet]

It's just unreasonable for this to even be a thing, Luffy won't sit and listen to the conditions. He'll immediately start throwing hands

[runic dock]

Plot reasons Idk

[buoyant comet]

Exactly!

[runic dock]

I’m not Oda he works his magic there

But that’s my vision for loki

[buoyant comet]

Loki is just not going to join the BB pirates. He's not that kind of man.

[mortal yarrow]

Plot needs to be at lest a little reasonable. Even if BB had something Luffy wanted that bad, there’s simply no way in hell Luffy’s agreeing to play games with the bastard instead of just kicking his shit in and taking it if need be.

[runic dock]

Not on the face of it , but bb can always fill his ear with interesting information considering he’s the son of the man loki looked up to

[buoyant comet]

Imo though if he went with the galley la giants and lost a Davy back fight, that would be more realistic than Luffy fighting bb on a davyback

[ornate tartan]

every single thing in this flashback has been spelling out that Loki is a good person

OP fans: Loki will join BB

[runic dock]

That’s an interesting option

Hell I’ll take that too

Just as long as it ends up like that

[rain cedar]

He isn't suggesting loki is enamored by BB

[buoyant comet]

Loki is a moral man, he won't serve a slaver who backstabs people.

[runic dock]

Yeah but the flashback also CLEARLY spelled out Loki looked up to rocks

Always followed his news too

Etc

Typos mb

[mortal yarrow]

BB is nothing like Rocks though?

[runic dock]

But if the slaver is rocks son

[runic dock]

Doesn’t have to be

[buoyant comet]

Loki joining the BB pirates against his will is possible but Luffy accepting a Davy back fight with BB is impossible imo.

[runic dock]

He’s his blood son

[rain cedar]

I can see Loki making his own way out to the sea to continue his fight against the WG. Just that Shanks won't get him this time

[ionic palm]

Loki's already nerfed rn anyways, he still hasn't recovered from his wounds from Shamrock :d

and according to Gerd in the story, will take months to heal.

[runic dock]

That’s a fair assessment , I just hope it ends with bb obtaining him against his will or not , preferably thru Davy back

Everyone is saying oh Loki gonna be nerfed oh he’s gonna shrink oh this and that what if the solution is just he keeps all his power but goes to bb

[mortal yarrow]

BB barely knows shit about Rocks, aside from what his mother may have told him, who was on an island away from Rocks most her life.

BB is a completely different person from Rocks. I don’t Loki would have any interest in him like that.

[buoyant comet]

I don't think Loki would care that much tbh. He will be interested of course but if he finds out BBs true character he'll just call him a trash person.

[runic dock]

We don’t know what bb knows

Not fair to say

[buoyant comet]

Well even if he knew everything about rocks he doesn't necessarily have the same ideals as rocks

If he did he wouldn't have recreated the horror of god valley

[runic dock]

He can always use that info to convince people of shit

Whether he vibes with it or not , use his pedigree

[buoyant comet]

Blackbeard is basically a pirate celestial dragon

[mortal yarrow]

What if the solution is instead that he stays with his kingdom and prepares them to join Luffy for the final war, like all half a dozen other characters of his type?

[pulsar path]

I mean like the general theory's are really all over the place not bad just really whimsical lol

[buoyant comet]

He's the complete opposite of rocks

[ionic palm]

compared to Rocks, BB is a megalomaniac in every aspect, at least Rocks cared about someone.

[buoyant comet]

He just wants to rule the world like him but for greed

[runic dock]

That’s so lame and boring, and loki seems too strong to be left in the background

This is becoming a cop out solution to difficult characters

[ionic palm]

if Rocks was still alive, he prob be disappointed with BB.

[hearty shore]

BB became that way because of lack of parenting

[runic dock]

That could be fair to say too , Idk , but information is power

[hot cairn]

ye

[buoyant comet]

Loki is gonna join the straw hats, the fact that this is a controversial debate is proof that he's Going to join.

[runic dock]

Yamato flashbacks

[hearty shore]

if rocks and eris were around to raise teach he wouldn't be as tyrannical as he is rn

[runic dock]

I’ll never trust Oda again first off

[mortal yarrow]

People said similar things about Carrot and look where she is.
People said Bonney was too strong and important to not join the Revos. Now her and Kuma are going to live with Lilith and Stella 2 on Elbaf.
Loki will stay to become King of Elbaph.

[buoyant comet]

Luffy ain't never asked Yamato to join him personally

[mortal yarrow]

Oh yeah. Forgot about Yamato too, somehow.

[runic dock]

Carrot isn’t too strong, and bonneys fate we still don’t really know where she ends up tbh

[muted hedge]

people are doing the same dance every arc, lol

[hearty shore]

robin snuck her way into the crew too btw

[runic dock]

People had all these same convos back then

[buoyant comet]

Shes going to do what you said Loki is going to do which is prepare at home and then join Luffy for the f8nal war

[brittle basin]

Yamato definitely made it clear they wanted to join and especially live out Oden's life.

[mortal yarrow]

It is extremely clear that she and Kuma are hunkering down in Elbaph. Best we might get is seeing them come to help in the final war, as all these characters seem prepared to do.

[buoyant comet]

Robins clearly special

[mortal yarrow]

Yerp.

[buoyant comet]

I'm not people

[hot cairn]

the grand fleet aren’t losers fr

[snow locust]

I think Hajrudin will become king of Elbaf

[muted hedge]

i don't think anyone will join the Straw Hats outside of when they reconnect with Vivi

[mortal yarrow]

Vivi too.

[muted hedge]

people have had hopes for Yamato, Carrot and now Loki
i think they're setting themselves up for a disappointment

[ionic palm]

Vivi cant even defend herself properly :d

[snow locust]

Crew’s full

[buoyant comet]

Loki and Vivi are going to join in Elbaf. Yamato is going to join late like how Jinbe did.

[brittle basin]

Vivi will be the last to truly join at this point.

[muted hedge]

i really don't think Loki or Yamato will join, other than be part of the Straw Hats alliance in the final war

[brittle basin]

Yamato was your last chance. And now Vivi coming back into the picture, that is all you have left now.

[buoyant comet]

Not according to Oda. She's already the 5.5th member

[hearty shore]

funnily enough, tama had the highest likelihood of joining the crew because:

1. she wore luffy's hat, which paralleled nami and robin doing so
2. it would parallel roger having children on crew

[rain cedar]

Im finding that theory unlikely as well considering the kuma DF plot line is dead as well

[mortal yarrow]

He’s already part of the Grand Fleet, and Loki already has way too much arc’s main supporting character vibes to not take the mantle that was practically already granted to him.

[muted hedge]

yeah, she didn't even leave funny enough

[brittle basin]

I expect she will be the last to officially join, IF and only if Oda decides someone else needs to join.

[buoyant comet]

Well it's your opinion but I strongly disagree. We'll have to see what the future holds.

[placid rover]

Sabaku what happened to shamrock

[muted hedge]

well Roger was against having children on his crew, Shanks and Buggy were exceptions i guess
given he rejected Pedro if i remember correctly

[muted hedge]

what do you mean?

[snow locust]

Hajrudin has actually said that he wants to be king whereas Loki hasn’t. And I don’t think being a grand fleet member disqualifies him

[placid rover]

The pfp

[rain cedar]

Loki has shown practically no interest in ruling lol

[muted hedge]

i'm busy replaying Majora's Mask right now, so i got the mood for this profile picture
i'll go back to Shamrock sooner or later, i'm sure

[placid rover]

[hot cairn]

why do you want Loki on BB’s team Earl? Curious

[buoyant comet]

Loki being king doesn't make sense too

[muted hedge]

i wonder what Loki thinks of Blackbeard

honestly, i can see him either loving the guy or hating him no in between

[tough igloo]

probably don’t know he exists

[mortal yarrow]

Loki did so in the past. I guarantee you his character development throughout the rest of this arc will be warming up to accepting that responsibility.

[buoyant comet]

Kuzuu

[tough igloo]

and Teach probably don’t know Loki exists either

[fallen meteor]

i feel Loki would 120% hate BB

[muted hedge]

given Teach's extensive knowledge about fruits, i wouldn't be shocked if he knew about the fruit of Elbaph

[mortal yarrow]

Absolutely

[buoyant comet]

Loki is gonna neg diff San Juan wolf

[rain cedar]

He is the least likely character to stay still. I think with Imu assaulting Elbaf, he would be far more motivated to renew his efforts against the WG

[tough igloo]

yeah i jus thought about it plus Loki was on the seas for 8 years and got a 2 billion bounty so Teach probably heard of him while he was with WB

[rain cedar]

Hajrudin can handle the responsibility of the throne

[buoyant comet]

I wish Blackbeards crew weren't fodders

[hot cairn]

this is just a repeat of Yamato at this point

[buoyant comet]

Only strong person there is a double agent

[muted hedge]

don't hate me for saying this but, i could see Blackbeard having his sight set on Loki's fruit
especially if it's connected to defeating Imu and conquering the World Government

[tranquil blade]

[tough igloo]

it depends .. if he talks to Loki the same he talked to Kuzan … Loki wouldn’t. hate him .. Teach was able to even convince Kuzan to not hate him

[mortal yarrow]

Again, I think he’d reach the same conclusion every other character like this has reached. He’ll take the responsibility of preparing his kingdoms to support Luffy in the final war. Same as Vivi. Same as Yamato. Same as Carrot.

[buoyant comet]

It's different but ig no matter what I say y'all won't be convinced

[dapper tree]

so the corner of shame?

[snow locust]

They definitely need buffs. Augur and Devon had a cool aura moment with “The World.” on Egghead but they gotta back it up

[dapper tree]

carrot didn't deserve that

[tough igloo]

please don’t make me stress out lol i don’t wanna even think about that possibility 😂

[muted hedge]

lol

[buoyant comet]

Devon has potential to be Yonko level with her powrs

[muted hedge]

i think that their fruits gave them a certifiable buff

like each of their fruits are tailored for them

[glacial bear]

Devon has a mythical zoan it seems

[buoyant comet]

If she can replicate duplicates powers then she's actually broken

[muted hedge]

i heavily doubt that she can imitate powers

[buoyant comet]

Imagine if she gets Saturn's stats

[rain cedar]

I still disagree. Will just have to wait i guess to see who's right

[tranquil blade]

Yes the nine tailed fox

[snow locust]

She’s a woman tho so Oda won’t gas her too much

[buoyant comet]

If it's just a mane mane no mi copy then odas just lazy

[buoyant comet]

Ah wait why are you making a good point

[hot cairn]

me too

[muted hedge]

i think that Devon's usage out of Saturns visage will be to recruit the seraphims on their side

[snow locust]

Yeah but they still haven’t been that impressive since getting fruits. Tho tbf they’ve been fighting pretty strong characters like Garp, Hancock, Law

[buoyant comet]

They definitely need the manpower

[muted hedge]

though i don't know how long it would last given i think that there are other gorosei whom authority clashes

[tawny panther]

true when BB talked to Kuzan in that bar , that was my first time seeing that side of Teach as Captain/leader .. Kuzan went from being against what he was to by the end of the convo he was convinced to side with him

[muted hedge]

yeah... though Bepo was a show off for sure

still hoping we get to see Chopper enter a sulong state of some sort

[buoyant comet]

It's really crazy if you think about it. The Straw Hats really faced an Admiral + 5 Goroseis + 2 CP0 agents + 3 Seraphims and came out practically unscratched.

[hot cairn]

she did

[muted hedge]

i definitely think that Blackbeard wasn't just buddy buddy with Kuzan because he only wanted him on his side, i think that Blackbeard wanted him so Kuzan can give him his expertise on how the World Government, Marines etc. works from the inside out

[tranquil blade]

she didnt #tbh

[buoyant comet]

Even if you say it's plot armor that shit is admirable

[muted hedge]

Kuzan is information essentialy, coupled with power of course

[dapper tree]

justa hater

[hot cairn]

yes

[muted hedge]

not to be that guy but, plot armor speaks for itself here

[buoyant comet]

Kuzan did not just happen to meet blackbeard at a random bar. Ts was on purpose

[buoyant comet]

Still admirable

[tawny panther]

no it wasn’t lmao Oda literally made sure to show us it wasn’t on purpose what are you talking about

Kuzan nor Teach planned on meeting each other there

[next estuary]

They all lose to Shanks

Carry on

[buoyant comet]

Okay where is your proof that Kuzan just happened to meet BBs crew and decided to freeze his crew out of boredom? Like this is Kuzan we're talking about here, he's a shrewd person.

He planned for this to happen

[tawny panther]

when Teach first arrives he’s literally confused at first on what happened and who froze his crew , Kuzan then tell him that they attacked him first .. that’s very clear that Teach wasn’t planning on meeting him there or he wouldn’t even question what happened and who froze them

[runic dock]

They lowkey are except for Leo and Sai

[tranquil blade]

So true

[buoyant comet]

Yeah I'm not disputing the fact that Teach was unaware of his arrival or that he was going to meet him. I'm talking about Kuzan himself.

[next estuary]

Avery you’ve seen the light

So happy for you

[muted hedge]

did you come up with a name for the new Shanks religion?

[tranquil blade]

No I havent

[buoyant comet]

Kuzan was sneaking around the underground world, gathering Intel and information, and it was all for the greater good.

[runic dock]

He’s better off there if he were to join a crew , that’s too much power on the good guys side , makes it too easy , if loki was influenced tho to attack bb and luffy’s common enemy the celestials , that would be more fun , and he always has a chance to turn back to luffy’s side in the middle of a more finale war

[tranquil blade]

but since I had the dream am I the Shanks prophet?

[buoyant comet]

He intended to join BBs crew because he knew he was up to something and he had to be on his inner circle

[hot cairn]

I see

[buoyant comet]

I had the dream too

[hot cairn]

only lame one in the fleet is Leo

[muted hedge]

i need Leo to get conquerors haki

[tawny panther]

Kuzan himself didn’t know either .. he was just drinking in a bar , Kuzan himself was ready to fight against them .. liteelt nobody expected Blackbeard to ask him to join .. that’s why even Teach own crew called him crazy for that .. Kuzan & BB crew thought Teaxh was gonna try to take his DF & Kuzan response to Teach asking him to join makes it clear it wasn’t something that Kuzan was planning on

[brittle basin]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-leo-leo-one-piece-dressrosa-dwarves-gif-25534741

[muted hedge]

it's so funny when Kuzan said that Akainu probably has scars all over

while he picks up his detached leg

[tranquil blade]

Kuzan says that like he doesnt also have burns all over him too

It was definitely a cope moment for him

[muted hedge]

yeah lol

[runic dock]

At least he’s useful

[buoyant comet]

This isn't conclusive evidence that Kuzan was unaware that Blackbeard was there. I get that he didn't except Teach to give him a spot on the crew outright, but he didn't happen to just stumble upon a yonkos crew and become a pirate on a whim.

[tawny panther]

he did that’s the whole point , that’s why Oda made sure to tell us that they met on a random island in the new world that oda didn’t even bother giving a name

[brittle basin]

This is Tinyism. Shortism?

[tawny panther]

it’s not like it was a island where you would expect a yonko to show up at

[brittle basin]

this dude is racist towards Leo. get him.

[muted hedge]

rise tontatta nation

[runic dock]

Barto got blown up , hakuba is a hospital patient robin victim

They’re losers

[buoyant comet]

• Leaves the marines after losing his dream job
• Discovers the underground world
• Searches for intel
• Saves Smoker and tells him he's the same person he always was
• Meets an evil Yonko crew and freezes them
• Does nothing but wait for BB
• Joins BB

How does this seem to be by chance?

[thick mango]

is there an indication hes searching for intel before meeting bb? Where?

[brittle basin]

i'm a dumbass and thought for a split second you meant Intel the company........

[thick mango]

my impression of him is that he had mostly given up, having failed his best opportunity to make an impact by losing the marines to akainu

and he stumbles across bb who tells him its not over yet, you can pursue your shit under us too

[muted hedge]

i really hope that this crusade of his isn't just to get revenge on Akainu

[brittle basin]

No chapter this week. Pain. Suffering.

[thick mango]

without break weeks, we wouldnt appreciate chapter weeks

[prisma idol]

Time to read something new buddy

Buffy not buddy

😭

[brittle basin]

I'm reading Mistborn and Haikyuu. EZ. GG.

also, I'm a buddy

Buddy Buffy is an apt description

[rose rune]

so rude

[dapper tree]

let there be peace in our times

[native cloud]

Luffy sat throughout all that flashback and didn’t say a word man. I wonder what Oda is cooking here

[dapper tree]

https://tenor.com/view/homer-brain-monkey-gif-11098413

this is what was happening in luffy's head

[native cloud]

Lol

[tranquil blade]

Luffy feels like the kind of person who would need to watch subway surfers gameplay to listen to something for more than like 30 seconds