also-manga

[sage temple]

Too bad his Devil Fruit isn't actually legendary

[golden valley]

Wdym? It made him better

[sage temple]

"Just have a legendary devil fruit" brutal

https://tenor.com/view/mog-statue-mogger-mogging-mewing-gif-4726236665805485045

[dapper tree]

[dense rapids]

Mmmmmm

[golden valley]

“Just get overpowered and carried by legendary devil fruits” brutal

[tough igloo]

Buggy awakening needs to be something other than splitting other things cause that just what Law basic abilities can do without needing a awakening

[dense rapids]

Atom Bomb

Buggy ball foreshadowing

[golden valley]

Buggy’s df is specific to splitting

[dense rapids]

Splitting atoms

[digital spear]

He can split them on an atomic level so he can straight up change the matter of things

[tawny panther]

tbf Law DF is worth 5 billion so it having basic abilities that other fruits need awakening for adds up lol his DF is arguably the most broken in terms of its hax

[shadow knoll]

the thing all the panel time Oda gave cross guild till now, he used it only for gag, so my hopes are getting lower and lower

[golden valley]

I don’t really see why Buggy doesn’t rlly already split his own atoms

[dense rapids]

They’re not ready

[sage temple]

Yeah pretty much

[shadow knoll]

buggy awakening would require a near death experience

[sage temple]

Buggy is also carried by his devil fruit

He's still just weaker

Lmao

[golden valley]

I mean yeah

[sage temple]

Yeah

[golden valley]

If he had a legendary fruit

He’d be stronger than a Pacifista finally

[sage temple]

Yeah if he had one, but he doesn't

So

Yeah maybe but he doesn't

[golden valley]

Ok

[sage temple]

Yeah

He doesn't

[digital spear]

Did you skip 1082 that was the first time Buggy got actually something serious

Cross Guild is the reason FOR Buggy agenda to reach the top

[tawny panther]

i’m loving how the narrative changes with almost every other arc .. during wano it was “ haki transcends all “ now in Elbaf it’s like well you actually need DFs cause haki alone ain’t enough & in Egghead we got Saturn telling Imu he couldn’t deal with Luffy DF powers

[dense rapids]

Finally got his fire back

[golden valley]

Idk what this means really, for the first time, Buggy’s gag hasn’t annoyed me in the cross guild chapters

Oda is giving buggy more character

And they have a pretty cool dynamic

[dense rapids]

Bro found out Shanks was chasing the one piece and said “Naw”

[digital spear]

The moment Kaido said that everyone already made fun of him because he also ate a legendary devilfruit and spends millions on giving all his soldiers fake fruits

[golden valley]

Mihawk croc, buggy

[snow locust]

These are just opinions given by individuals, not necessarily the truth

[tawny panther]

LMAO facts ! bro got the largest DF army in the world talking about haki

[shadow knoll]

I thought that too, but after than Buggy's only shown to get bullied by Mihawk and Croc

[golden valley]

Cmon man

[tawny panther]

and even worst .. Kaido saw all the strongest haki users he knew attack Imu together and it do absolutely nothing and still decades later talking about haki transcends all .. he gotta put down the bottle 🤦🏾‍♂️

[dense rapids]

“Draaaaaagonnnn” 🤓

[shadow knoll]

it means Oda is using him for a comedic purpose right now, while others are dying and shitting their pants from bb, imu, shanks

the "near death experience" he had in chapter 1082 led to the formation of cross guild

[elder kraken]

Prime Garp vs Current Kaido who wins

[shadow knoll]

if oda marinated it a little more

[sage temple]

Yeah Buggy's gotten bulled for the last times we've seen him ngl

[dense rapids]

You guys just have to wait for Cross Guild vs Marines

[shadow knoll]

and make buggy awakening to fight croc and mihawk it woulda been lit

[dense rapids]

Bro doesn’t need to awaken to fight Mihawk

[golden valley]

The gag turned into a character moment for Buggy https://hot.planeptune.us/manga/One-Piece/1082-007.png

[digital spear]

Well yeah hes made them even more mad with that but now hes forcing their hand to actually go after the One Piece. We havent seen them much after that but their next steps will be more drastic

[golden valley]

https://hot.planeptune.us/manga/One-Piece/1082-008.png

[shadow knoll]

#also-manga message

[golden valley]

Like, even in Buggy moments of getting beat up, I don’t see how that takes away from the scene

What after moments specifically?

[dapper tree]

buggy awakens his rocks genes

[tawny panther]

One Piece Tik Tokers need to be erased

[dense rapids]

Naw they have the funniest memes 🤣

[tawny panther]

the memes are fine , it’s when they start making theories that get reposted nonstop and make absolutely no sense 😂

then people take those theories as facts lol

[dense rapids]

Yea TikTok theories are nonsense

[elder kraken]

Memes valid, theories are just bullshit

[dense rapids]

The Runbeard era with the ai had me dying tho 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[sage temple]

Allat to get bullied by Crocodile 😭 this isn't slander it's literally happening currently

[dense rapids]

Bro doesn’t even have his body

Tf he’s supposed to do

Bite them?

[sage temple]

🤷‍♂️ Still getting bullied by croc

If Buggy is Rocks' son he might have an even worse gene pull than Hajrudin

[golden valley]

Dw hes not

[shadow knoll]

so im saying, that was a good character moment for buggy and it coulda let to him standing up against croc and mihawk since it was the perfect time (kidd was fighting shanks, law was fighting bb, it was like secondary characters who are underdogs fighting against the big guys). But, after he had such a good moment, everytime Buggy gets panel time it's him getting bullied

[golden valley]

At best theyre cousins

[sage temple]

That would make sense

[dense rapids]

Or just a Roger and Luffy situation

Tho I think buggy is a Davy

[golden valley]

Maybe but if theyre gonna be related, i would imagine buggy as a davy

[sage temple]

I'm glad Loki is at least part of a royal family of the D.

[elder kraken]

I kinda forgot, is Davy part of D?

[sage temple]

Is Buggy a D.?

[fervent crest]

mihawk so goated

[dense rapids]

Yea

[shadow knoll]

yeah prollu

[sage temple]

Yeah I was asking

I don't think so

[dapper tree]

BUGGY D CLOWN

GOTTEM

[tawny panther]

I still think Buggy is royalty bloodline .. I think Teach is sadly the last Davy 😥 Gunko Vivi Buggy.. blue haired characters with royalty bloodline

[sage temple]

Random bullshit GO!

[elder kraken]

That means teach and Rocks are a combination of 2 clans hmmm

[fervent crest]

1. imu
2. mihawk
3. shanks
4. loki
5. shamrock

Correct

✅

[dense rapids]

Wdym Davy are D

[sage temple]

The Davy aren't exactly of the D. I don't think

[fervent crest]

🐐

[dense rapids]

Literally revealed in god valley

[elder kraken]

Im asking I forgot

[tawny panther]

they are .. his name is Davy D Jones

[dense rapids]

Talking to Socrates

[fervent crest]

they are

[tawny panther]

hes D clan as well as his descendants

[sage temple]

Panel please

I'm confused

[shadow knoll]

if buggy isn't royalty or at least isn't rocks' relative somehow, it would mean he's been solely used for the comedic element of the series

[dense rapids]

What’s confusing about Davy D Jones?

[tawny panther]

Davy Clan is just a special/notable clan within the D clans

[golden valley]

Even in those panels of getting beat up, Buggy is still talking his shit and goals, thats a strong character moment and is supposed to show you that hes strong willed. You’d think the guy who runs away from anything threatening would stop talking but Buggy passionately believes in his own motives. Nothing is taksn away from the scene to me

[sage temple]

Oh ok so both the Davy and Elbaph are of the D.

[fervent crest]

D. is literally named after davy and the clan

[tawny panther]

but they’re all D

[shadow knoll]

which is kinda off putting

[fervent crest]

yes

[sage temple]

Oh ok makes sense

Thanks

[elder kraken]

I wanna know the history of Monkeys

[sage temple]

Yeah lets hope Buggy is a D. for the Buggy fans' sake

[fervent crest]

sun wukongs decendants

O.O

[dense rapids]

Monkey D. Pao

[proud pivot]

Hopefully D is short for Dick, that would be funny

[tawny panther]

same , unless Joyboy is a Davy D , im leaning towards he’s a Monkey D

[sage temple]

Or they've been enduring Buggy getting bullied for hundereds of chapters for nothing

That'd be a shame

[fervent crest]

monkey dick luffy

ayo

[dense rapids]

No buggy fans care about him being D

It’s about him being God

[tawny panther]

Figarlands have officially been kicked out of the top 3 strongest families/bloodlines in one piece .. in 1 arc ..

(no order )

Davy ( Teach , Rocks , Davy Jones)
Ancient Giant (specifically Harald and Loki family)
Monkey ( Luffy Garp Dragon)

[sage temple]

You're pushing the idea of him being Davy so hard it seems like you do

[dense rapids]

What does that have to do with D? It’s for the Davy jones connection

[sage temple]

You said the Davy clan is of the D right?

[dense rapids]

Yea and?

[shadow knoll]

maybe, idc much about what a scene potrays about characters, but i do know a thing or two about narrative regression

[dense rapids]

Nobody cares about him D

[sage temple]

So if you care about him being a Davy that's basically the same as him being a D as well

[ivory sonnet]

Aren't all davy members D as well?

[sage temple]

You can't be a Davy without being a D

[high wolf]

Bum ass of a family

[golden valley]

Pretty sure this is unconfirmed

[ruby moat]

I have a challenge for you

[sage temple]

Yeah

[trim lily]

we dunno

[dense rapids]

You don’t get what I’m saying

[dapper tree]

LOL

[trim lily]

rat shanks memes in the big 26

[elder kraken]

Elbaf D. Loki

[sage temple]

You said all Davy members are of the D.

If you want someone to be part of the Davy clan then you're wishing for him to be a D. indirectly

[dense rapids]

*Warlan D. Elbaph

[high wolf]

Yeah?

[dense rapids]

Because you asked and I answered?

[shadow knoll]

will of d, elbaf of d, descendants of d, imu obssessed with d

[ivory sonnet]

Guys btw what if Loki was defeated by Dragon and Shanks and Dragon told shanks to take credit of this. cause that bum shanks can't even do 50% damage to Loki

[ruby moat]

Provide something showing shanks is a bum from the manga itself and not a fan made edit

[sage temple]

What I said is still true lmao

[ruby moat]

Fail

[sage temple]

Whatever it is though lets hope Buggy is a Davy for the Buggy fans' sake

[high wolf]

No

[ruby moat]

That’s both a fan edit and not from the manga

[shadow knoll]

Buggy being a relative od the D clan in some sort would make more sense than him being immediate descendant

[dapper tree]

Guys what if Shanks got poison from Magallen to beat Loki?

[dense rapids]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[tawny panther]

yeah Rocks said they’re descendants of Davy D Jones

[high wolf]

It's in the anime 💔

Just accept that shanks is a bum 💔

[golden valley]

Shanks hate rlly has no substance smh. I gotta show yall how to REALLY hate on shanks

[sage temple]

Lol

[tranquil blade]

Magellan hype?

[ruby moat]

If u don’t wanna take the challenge that’s fine

[dapper tree]

[sage temple]

They are highkey bums bro

[frozen ravine]

He's a Mary Sue

[sage temple]

The Roger Pirates are like Shanks' sugar daddies

[tawny panther]

this just doesn’t include the ones who married into it like Eris

[golden valley]

we’re starting with substance

[shadow knoll]

says "magellan is more capable than tree admiral"

[sage temple]

"Oh don't worry Shanks we must nurture you don't be mad you will be one of the good ones soon"

[unkempt sable]

Yo

[high wolf]

I already showed you.

You're prolly not even gonna approve anything, even if it's in the manga.

[sage temple]

"Shanks you're a child of fate we will make sure you succeed no matter what"

[ruby moat]

What you sent was
A fan edit
Anime

The challenge was for something from the manga and is not a fan edit

You failed the challenge

[shadow knoll]

what if his mum's name was literally fate?

[sage temple]

Hm maybe

They called him a destined child too tho

[golden valley]

Still no context on why shanks is a destined child

[shadow knoll]

celestial dragon?

[dense rapids]

Probably related to joy boy or they just believe that because he’s a CD who strayed away from the path

[shadow knoll]

son of one of the gorosei atm

[tranquil blade]

Joyboy descendant

[shadow knoll]

if he's joyboy descendant, then they prolly got to know that in laughtale

[dense rapids]

As much as I hate shanks fans this seems the most likely

[dense rapids]

Joy boy red hair

[sage temple]

Garling is a Joyboy Descendant

[golden valley]

NO

if this happens i rage

[shadow knoll]

[sage temple]

GARLING IS A JOYBOY DESCENDANT CONFIRMED

JOYBOY D. GARLING

[dense rapids]

I don’t want to give them fuel but it’s inevitable

The red hair came from some where

[shadow knoll]

shanks top 1 in the verse

[ivory sonnet]

I had talked about it with bit explanation but everyone disagreed

[tranquil blade]

Dread it

Run from it...

[golden valley]

https://tenor.com/view/luffy-one-piece-luffy-one-piece-luffy-cry-liuffy-luffyc-ry-gif-22236495

[dense rapids]

The day it gets reveal shanks fans will be insufferable

[proud pivot]

Shanks one helluva fraud to be joyboys descendant 😹

[tranquil blade]

I will be so happy

[ruby moat]

its funny how ppl make up stuff to be mad at shanks about and then get upset when it doesnt come true

[shadow knoll]

shanks being joyboy descendant is so perfect

[high wolf]

That scene is canon tho? 😭

Also, they just added the text.

[shadow knoll]

but then he dies before he gets the hat back

chef's kiss

[sage temple]

Joyboy name revealed

Joyboy D. Garling

Insane

[ruby moat]

would it have the same meaning without the added text? no.

[distant vine]

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[dense rapids]

It’s either Joy boy is related to shanks or Luffy from the future

[sage temple]

Joyboy -> Figarland's dad -> Figarland -> Shanks

[shadow knoll]

the joyboy descendant is actually shanks mum not garling

[high wolf]

It's up to interpretation.

Anybody that thinks he wasn't there for haki knots is a dummy.

[dense rapids]

Yea

[sage temple]

Garling was the Celestial Dragon family that rebelled against the other 20 kings

[ruby moat]

the "#1 mihawk defender" cant find a single piece of evidence against shanks without using fan made edits (and trolling)

[unkempt sable]

Mihawk stronger and that’s all that truly matters

[ruby moat]

is that what truly matters?

[digital spear]

Do you mean Nefeltari

[dense rapids]

That would also make Joy Boy a Davy if that’s what shanks mom was

[unkempt sable]

Yes

[ruby moat]

bb emote detected opinion rejected

[sage temple]

No bc Shanks is a Joyboy descendant so Garling must be the family name

[proud pivot]

bb emote detected opinion accepted

[unkempt sable]

Atlas>kaido Fr

[shadow knoll]

what if garling is like denjirou, he's actually aiding shanks

tryna be in imu's good books

[unkempt sable]

So he just does not care about Shamrock at all

[shadow knoll]

shamrock is a bum

[proud pivot]

Are we being blind rn 😹

[digital spear]

LOL

[fervent crest]

LOL

[fervent crest]

LOL

[ruby moat]

LOL

[digital spear]

LOL

[high wolf]

Lmao, just because I'm a Mihawk Defender doesn't mean I am against shanks?

Also, I provided you with a canon source where he's a bum.

You're just coping

[proud pivot]

LOL

[ivory sonnet]

yeah you are

[high wolf]

[ruby moat]

your canon source being what, your statement saying "Anybody that thinks he wasn't there for haki knots is a dummy. "

ur gonna have to do better than that

[fallen meteor]

LOL

[digital spear]

Marin have you heard what happened to Avery

You must be informed

[ivory sonnet]

Shanks using Rpger's haki knot is gonna be canon soon 😁

[ruby moat]

and im the one coping

[proud pivot]

Caaapp

[fervent crest]

I joined this server like an hour ago

give me the lore

[proud pivot]

What happened

[ruby moat]

death

[high wolf]

Why're you getting mad over a joke lmfao 😭

Also, trust me he's bum

[ruby moat]

"getting mad"

[fervent crest]

NOOOOO

[high wolf]

You're definitely the one coping

[fervent crest]

you're him

[digital spear]

Read from here
#also-manga message

[fervent crest]

"#1 mihawk defender"

[high wolf]

Why?

[fervent crest]

That's what I like to see

[sage temple]

Bartsky is a Shanks fan too

[high wolf]

Ohh

[sage temple]

Bartsky really likes everyone BUT Koby bruh I'm crine

Such a humble glazer

[digital spear]

Avery is a User who hated Shanks but today she had a dream about Shanks and now likes him and speaks of it as if she found god

[ruby moat]

ah that's called divine intervention

[unkempt sable]

[onyx pasture]

Born again shankistian

[ruby moat]

this made me think of pakistan

[digital spear]

Its either by Shanks himself, or Oda is mind manipulating everyone to love Shanks

[ivory sonnet]

That is gonna be true in case of All shanks haters by the end of series

[onyx pasture]

Glad I could help you do that

[fervent crest]

wow... not even mihawk just shanks?

[onyx pasture]

Oda?? Thats luffy doing that bro

[ruby moat]

this may be the greatest feat of any one piece character

[high wolf]

He's gonna be a BB victim 😹

[proud pivot]

Man I never had a dream about op

[digital spear]

In the dream Shanks fought Kaido, the fight was offscreened (literally Oda fight) Kaido was dead and Shanks said a cool oneliner

[ivory sonnet]

The only thing I am afraid of right now is how is Oda going to show Shanks defeating Loki atm there is no chance that Shanks beats Loki

[fervent crest]

blackbeard is going to awaken against shanks

[digital spear]

Genuinely

[fervent crest]

and kill him

[digital spear]

Show me Mihawk doing this

[ruby moat]

u cant

nobody cares about mihawk enough to have a dream about him

[ancient dune]

Why's that ?

[ruby moat]

what are they gonna dream about, being buggy's lackey?

[fervent crest]

dawg shanks isn't beating mihawk even in a dream

[sage temple]

Loki came to me in a dream as well

[fervent crest]

beating kaido means nothing

[azure wasp]

I think you maybe forgetting something

[digital spear]

This would explain a lot

[ivory sonnet]

Cause Loki million times stronger than Shanks thr rst

*rat

[proud pivot]

Bros lola

[high wolf]

Mihawk defeated Imu in my friend's dream

He's HIM

[proud pivot]

Oh wait

Nvm

[ancient dune]

[ruby moat]

oh shit i gotta feed my cat thanks

[tranquil blade]

SPECIFICALLY a leon kennedy esque one-liner

[digital spear]

Tbh my friend pulled a manga Mihawk card thats also crazy

[ancient dune]

Bro it's canon Shanks whooped that giant ahh

[digital spear]

^

Leon Kennedy esque oneliner

[fervent crest]

I remember reading this

written by oda btw

[fervent crest]

[high wolf]

"Lemme slander Mihawk so that shanks doesn't get slandered"

[ivory sonnet]

Few chapters ago Loki being a bad person was also canon we can't say anything for sure before we see the actual flashback of it but if I haf to guess if Shanks would defeat Loki rn my answer would be big NO

[digital spear]

The Shanks vs Mihawk conflicts is starting to transcend dimensions and breach manga -> reality

[tranquil blade]

Woke up with real tears in my eyes too

[high wolf]

That's crazy

[ruby moat]

dont deal out what u cant take back lil pumpernickel

[tranquil blade]

It's actually the most insane thing I've ever experienced related to one piece

[fast pagoda]

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X · Jan 7, 2026, 1:11 PM

[golden valley]

Smash

[fast pagoda]

Where is Marx

[ivory sonnet]

I would Rip it Cause Shanks > Mihawk !!

[ancient dune]

If you're doubting Gaban as a reliable source, then I don't know what to tell ya

[fast pagoda]

Why did Oda kill the two coolest Donquixote pirates

[blazing depot]

Vergo san

[fast pagoda]

Why did it have to be them

[ruby moat]

LAO G IS DEAD?

[fast pagoda]

It shoulda been BUFFALO man

[tranquil blade]

He forgot Big Mom

[fast pagoda]

He was for like 30 seconds

[ivory sonnet]

They are alive I can bet Chopper on it

[digital spear]

Why wasnt I informed about this

[tranquil blade]

Didnt he die and then come back to life

Like his soul left his body for a moment or something

[vital heart]

Aloha!

[digital spear]

Yes, Shanks haki guided him back to the light

Aloha!

[tranquil blade]

Actually could be true

His haki reached into the subconscious

[fast pagoda]

Yeah

[tranquil blade]

I can never go back to hating Shanks

[vital heart]

@tranquil blade hi

i made a new top 20 ranking after 1171

do u wanna see it :)

[ivory sonnet]

Jooyboy was red haired .What are your thoughts ? I feel it has good chances of being true

[digital spear]

I started talking about this because I wanted Marin to know but he just said 1 word and left

[fast pagoda]

Posting this with no context and yall have to figure out what it means

[tranquil blade]

He's gonna be back in like 3 hours

[ruby moat]

Joyboys hair is red (shanks) and Davys hair is blue (Buggy)

[vital heart]

@digital spear @tranquil blade @ivory sonnet :)

[ruby moat]

Shit list no jupeter

[ivory sonnet]

Dragon of 2 .
Idc about rest rankings

[mighty roost]

huhhh'

[digital spear]

S-Hawk and his 4 parents VS. Shanks and his 4 parents

[ivory sonnet]

*at

[tranquil blade]

I kind of know what it means but idk how the vs would apply here

[fast pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/correct-plankton-gif-14118231

[mighty roost]

oh

bruh

[digital spear]

It was a good quiz

I had to think a little

[vital heart]

Racists vs minorities?

[tranquil blade]

Not even like 4 parents, it's more like 4 mentor figures/people who you learned your skills and powers from

[vital heart]

Oh

I totally misread it.

[ivory sonnet]

Is it prime Rayleigh or old Rayleigh ?

[ruby moat]

Bro

[vital heart]

All current

[high wolf]

Holy wth 💔

[dense rapids]

Yes that’s what I assume

Davy Jones probably based on the Bluebeard legend

[high wolf]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/164971940648321024/1388487860771885158/Garploadofthisguy.gif

[vital heart]

Prime Ray >> Prime Gaban, but Current Gaban > Current Ray

[fast pagoda]

If you included Kaido and Big Mom, where would they go?

[ivory sonnet]

Real heroes vs Heroes made by people's stupidity

[digital spear]

Well people like to say Roger/ Rayleigh / Gaban are Shanks parents and S-Hawk was created or had genes from all those 4 too

[vital heart]

Kaido is between mihawk and luffy... big mom between luffy and akainu.

[fast pagoda]

I already answred it

[digital spear]

New patch is graet. Why did you swap gayleigh and gayban

[tranquil blade]

I mean I guess, but I see them as family in a different way, maybe I could see Roger as a father figure but I see Rayleigh and Gaban as more like uncles to Shanks or something, but it is pretty close

[ancient dune]

6 characters between Akainu and Kuzan is diabolical

[vital heart]

Rayleigh is drunk. Bad liver. Doesnt really stay active. I imagine Gaban is still physically active, lives a healthy lifestyle.

Rayleigh lived a sedentary post-retirement life. Gaban is still active, runs marathons and such.

[vital heart]

This is under the assumption Akainu unlocked ACOC off screen in the timeskip...

[tranquil blade]

If you flip Shanks and Loki's spots and put Blackbeard just ahead of Luffy I think it would be pretty agreeable

[elder kraken]

Yall overglazing Loki

[vital heart]

BB needs the 3rd fruit, but I can respect that. Shanks is not above Loki in any world.

[ivory sonnet]

Nobody is ready for him 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋

[tranquil blade]

You're not ready Meek

[ivory sonnet]

how many 🌋 ?

[elder kraken]

Shanks vs Loki = imprisoned, Shanks vs Kaido = nothing happened

[vital heart]

🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋 🌋

[digital spear]

[tranquil blade]

I mean true, but I do think Kaido probably just left instead of fighting until one of them won

[clever idol]

Current garp doesnt defeat any admiral btw

[ancient dune]

But both were sent home by papa Shanks

[elder kraken]

What reason? Kaido doesnt run he is suicidal

[digital spear]

Well yeah hes imprisoned

[clever idol]

They would all outlast him

[clever idol]

U think ur so funny and u r

[elder kraken]

One imprisoned one isnt

[clever idol]

Now be quiet

[ivory sonnet]

Shanks gave some of Roger's haki knots to Kaido that's the reason Kaido backed from Fight let the rat go to Marineford to get few more haki knots this time of Wb

[high wolf]

Kaido is HIM

https://tenor.com/view/kaido-one-piece-kaido-1048-kaido-vs-yamato-gif-10490106833315333301

[tranquil blade]

because if he won he probably would've made it to Marineford, but if he actually did outright lose to Shanks then I feel like we would've been told that

So I dont think the fight really concluded

[elder kraken]

Win or loose doesnt matter, what Im saying is Loki got imprisoned and Kaido… nun happened

[digital spear]

Ok goodnight

[high wolf]

Kaido and shanks only clashed.

They didn't fight an all out battle.

[tidal ice]

shanks probably bribed him off with some booze

[elder kraken]

Shanks delayed Kaido from going to Marineford

Possibly stopped

[high wolf]

Who knows what happened

[elder kraken]

Wym clashed

[high wolf]

It's stated in impel down that they clashed.

[snow locust]

As in they did not have a full fight

[high wolf]

They didn't fight an all out battle

[fervent crest]

how does one possibly ever find it reasonable to put shanks above mihawk and how is it possible to even put LOKI above shanks when all the information we have points towards him beating loki mostly by himself

[ancient dune]

https://tenor.com/view/onepiece-anime-whitebeard-gif-5971458

[fervent crest]

"shanks was the only one who can stop him"

[high wolf]

Ikr......

For the first point

[weak wedge]

Shanks is good

[fervent crest]

a swordsman is stronger than the strongest swordsman 💀

LOL

[high wolf]

LMFAO

Shanks fans are a different breed

[weak wedge]

[ivory sonnet]

Guys One piece movie recommendations ?
I recently watched Stampede and it was pretty good although I already had spoilers about the end.

[fervent crest]

watch the 1997 OVA

[high wolf]

Strong world, Film Red.

[ivory sonnet]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-akainu-gif-18765784

[ancient dune]

Dead End, Z and Baron Omatsuri

[high wolf]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/989329041192517642/1127766075036143727/WAKAINU.gif

[ancient dune]

https://tenor.com/view/akainu-akainu-one-piece-injured-whitebeard-vs-akainu-marineford-arc-gif-110329034109663270

[high wolf]

Toei....... 💔🥀

[elder kraken]

Shanks prolly clashed Loki too and imprisoned him

[digital spear]

[thick mango]

I really don't get the akainu hype, vegapunk speech panel importance scaling he's definitely in the bottom half

[high wolf]

We don't know what happened there.

But it's stated that they clashed.

A clash is just a brief period of clashing.

Like WB and Shanks.

[elder kraken]

Cuz shanks is known to do that, he is 100% doin the same thing with Loki

[snow locust]

What does that even mean

[ivory sonnet]

Dragon helped Shanks to defeat Loki and didn't take credit for that .
Respect +++ for Dragon

[high wolf]

Yeah

[elder kraken]

Huh?

[thick mango]

I don't think there's any evidence of that but dragon and shanks probably have similar ideas about taking down the wg that may be incompatible w lokis

[fresh silo]

loki's idea could have been more rash, like straight on clashing with them without a widespread plan so that could explain why shanks shackled him

[thick mango]

Yeah I imagine he's impatient and reckless about it

[fresh silo]

dragon and shanks seem more calm and more of plan following persons

[thick mango]

And this is the type of disagreement that might lead to loki considering shanks a coward

[fresh silo]

yea, i could imagine him being wanting to take on WG, he literally had to kill his own father because of it

[fresh silo]

yeah, u r absolutely right

[tranquil blade]

I think Loki was just gonna try to raid the WG with just him and the giants he took with him, which would probably inevitably fail

and Shanks didnt want Loki to throw his life away like that, and maybe Loki is important for some plan

[elder kraken]

He did kinda plan for Luffy to meet Loki

[snow locust]

Probably pretty important based on the Harley Mural and the fact that he has one of the DFs Rocks needed

[high wolf]

True

[fresh silo]

i mean it would have caused great damage but seeing imu's power as of now just means it would have not been beneficial, loki probably thinks he and his amry could have taken on everyone

[sage temple]

Do we know if Shanks was alone vs Loki? No. So current Shanks being stronger than Loki is like a 50/50

[high wolf]

Yeah

[fresh silo]

true, loki plays a key role in the final war, shanks know it too that loki has immense power and is an important card, so it is given for him to stop loki

[sage temple]

Ty

[high wolf]

Shanks prolly jumped him with his crew if I had to assume.

[sage temple]

I can assume the same tbh

[elder kraken]

Loki is a rookie he is 100% loosing. If Shanks wasnt alone so is Loki (he had surviving giants with him)

[sage temple]

Doesn't mean it's a fact though either could've happened

[sage temple]

Loki was a pirate for 8 years and then he fought with Shanks

That's a little more than a rookie

Sure you can make the argument that he was young

But he was still 19

[elder kraken]

With his new powers I meant

Mb

[sage temple]

We see how already formidable he is with his powers

[elder kraken]

Compared to shanks?

[snow locust]

Loki was pretty strong even without powers

[elder kraken]

Nah

[sage temple]

He eats the fruit 14 years ago and fights Shanks 6 years ago

[fresh silo]

i agree with this

[elder kraken]

Shanks has superior haki mastery, Loki is more of a Jack of all trades

[sage temple]

You said Loki was a rookie

He isn't

[fresh silo]

but that fruit was necessary to defeat harald

[high wolf]

Nah

[elder kraken]

Okay that was mb, I meant not that mastered with his niche

[elder kraken]

Compared to shanks yes

[sage temple]

Loki had ACoC at only 16 he's not that far away from mastery. We can assume he has other forms of Haki as well

[fresh silo]

i assume that during his 8 year of being a pirate, he more or less is on a good dlevel of haki mastery

[snow locust]

Yeah but Holy Knight Harald is busted. Base Loki is stronger than Base Harald who was shown to be about equal to Rocks

[elder kraken]

No, Shanks haki was compared to Joyboy’s

[sage temple]

We just haven't seen enough from Loki to know if he has future sight or ryuo

[sage temple]

Anyone can compare their Haki to Joyboy

[elder kraken]

Compred to shanks nah

[fresh silo]

yeah, for sure ]

[elder kraken]

But no one did

[fresh silo]

we haven't seen shanks fight tbh, and loki defeated holy knight harald which truly shocked even imu

[sage temple]

Okay, but it being compared to Joyboy's alone isn't really crazy. Dorry and Brogy haven't even been put in a situation to see Loki's Haki

So

[elder kraken]

Holy knight Harald let himself get killed there was no fight at all barely at best

[sage temple]

There was definitely more to the fight than what we saw

That's illogical

[elder kraken]

I said barely

There was no named attacks

[sage temple]

And Harald came at Loki first and Loki took the hit with ease

[fresh silo]

giants said that is this superior to shanks, this has no hostility to it (because it was hostile only towards gorosei and marines)

[high wolf]

It still doesn't mean that he was a rookie compared to shanks tho?

Loki had his powers for YEARS before he was defeated by shanks.

[elder kraken]

You know damn well Harald let himself get killed, barely wasa fight

[sage temple]

If there were any, Oda wouldn't show it because he was actively trying to hide Loki's powers for the entire fight

[elder kraken]

Yeah basically compared

[high wolf]

He was beating his ass even in the Imu amped form.

[elder kraken]

That was the point, no matter the intention there was barely a fight

[snow locust]

Harald still believed that Fruit Loki could defeat him, and Loki manhandled Harald before the final blow. P much everything abt the chapter implies Fruit Loki > HK Harald

[fresh silo]

kind of true that harald was trying his best to resist but still loki could have won if harald didn't resist

[sage temple]

Yeah but Loki is likely the only one that can kill a Holy Knight and Harald has buffed durability as an Ancient Giant. Killing a Holy Knight alone is a feat

[sage temple]

Exactly

[elder kraken]

Harald was holding back (the inner him) the intention of harald was to die

[high wolf]

True

[sage temple]

So Loki being stronger than Shanks is more of a 50/50

[fresh silo]

thats because they didnt feel hostility from it, i doubt shanks' haki is on joyboy level, it could be close

[sage temple]

The inner him states he has no control of his physical self. So this is debunked

[elder kraken]

There was barely a fight is what I meant Harald wanted to die

[elder kraken]

That wasnt the point

[sage temple]

Harald wanted to die at the end but at the beginning he was coming at Loki with the intent to kill

[fresh silo]

it was due to loki's powers that harald was able to come back to his sense

[elder kraken]

His inner self wanted to die, so when he took control he literally let himself get killed

[placid basin]

bluf didn't realize it wasn't Harald anymore it's Imu

[sage temple]

True this was moreso a result of Loki's powers

[high wolf]

Not really

He himself stated that he couldn't control his thoughts. Imu was influencing him.

[sage temple]

Harald can't turn off his regeneration

At the end he came back because Loki beat the evil thoughts out of him temporarily

[placid basin]

who cares what Harald think when Imu take control

[elder kraken]

Yeah and that's the point he let himsrlf get killed

[fresh silo]

if u see till loki transformed into whatever that df granted him, harald was just rampaging, it was due to loki's powers that the covenant bond was able to be nullified atleast for some time

[sage temple]

Killing any Holy Knight in general is a feat

[sage temple]

He can't turn off his regeneration though so bypassing the regen was more of a Loki thing

Which even Gaban was surprised at after encountering regen users multiple times before with the Roger Pirates

[fresh silo]

it sure is

[elder kraken]

That's loki's df power yeah, but when he took over he let himself get killed

That was the point

No named attack no nothing

It wasnt even an all out

[fresh silo]

he let himself get killed it is true, but he couldn't just turn off his immortal like body and regenration

[elder kraken]

The point was they are all helping each other to kill Imu in his body

[elder kraken]

That wasnt the intention of what Im tryna say

What Im saying is, Loki killing Harald didnt prove anything but his DF ability

[sage temple]

Loki wasn't using his Devil Fruit on the final blow that killed Harald though

[fresh silo]

i mean sure harald was letting himself get killed, but it aint that easy that u r showinh

[gaunt lion]

also prolly why loki has such a massive bounty despite not being a pirate

[high wolf]

Headcanon ngl

[elder kraken]

And? Harald let himself get killed

[fresh silo]

from what we see he was a pirate for 8 years

[sage temple]

Harald can't turn off his regeneration so killing any HK is a feat

[elder kraken]

It is easy he wasnt defending himself

[snow locust]

It isn’t confirmed that his DF is what allowed him to break through the regen though. It’s also possible that it’s just the strength of his haki

[elder kraken]

But Harald wasnt defending himself

[sage temple]

And it's not like Loki's DF is what killed Harald alone

[sage temple]

He can't turn off his regeneration, defending himself or not

[elder kraken]

And Harald wasnt defending himself

[sage temple]

And Harald can't turn off his regeneration

You still aren't getting that

😂

[elder kraken]

Yes I know ts

[fresh silo]

nope, it isnt, the level of regenration and immortal like body he had isnt that wasy to kill even if he isnt defending

[sage temple]

Then killing any HK in general is a feat

[elder kraken]

It was easy because he let himself get killed. Loki DF killed him

[sage temple]

Gaban and Shanks attacked Harald when he wasn't defending himself off guard and they didn't kill him

[snow locust]

That’s not the point, I’m talking abt the regeneration. Rocks could slow Garling’s regen but couldn’t kill him, Scopper could slow Sommers’ regen but couldn’t kill him, Loki just straight up killed Harald

[sage temple]

Loki's DF wasn't used on the blow that killed Harald

So

[fresh silo]

loki literally wasn't even in his df form in the final blow which actually killed harald

[elder kraken]

Not by much like what these galzwrs are tryna imply…. Harald vs Loki barely was a fight is what Im saying

[gaunt lion]

why does this matter again? Loki can cut through his regen with aCoC

[fossil nimbus]

just say loki, why do u have to say lokis ruit

[elder kraken]

Okay Haki and DF wtv it is, barely a fight

[fresh silo]

but harald i believe was stronger than garling and sommers in his holy knight form, he is an ancient giant

[snow locust]

ACOC can slow the regen but doesn’t seem to stop it entirely. Garling still regenerated from Rocks’ ACOC attacks

[elder kraken]

Yeah cuz he was actually tryna fight

[sage temple]

You're trying to say Harald wasn't defending himself so anyone could've killed him which is just not true. Harald began the fight coming at Loki and Loki man handled him immediately. Harald then stops defending himself at the end BUT his regeneration is active and innate durability are still there. Loki kills an Ancient Giant blooded regen user and affects Imu in doing so.

[fresh silo]

maybe if u take damage to an extent even it can't be regened

[sage temple]

So Loki being stronger than Shanks is more of a 50/50

[fresh silo]

i wouldn't mind even if they are on equal footing but i lowkey want loki to best shanks

[elder kraken]

Not “anyone” I may have mistook a lot of shit but I know I didn't say that or atleast wasnt the intention of saying that.

[elder kraken]

The point is mid way Harald surrendered

[shadow python]

Haralds regen is weird. I had thought we were working on Buu rules where Loki obliterated him completely. But it seems like he was just hit really hard

[fresh silo]

from what u were saying , u just meant that anyone could have defeated harald if they had decent bit of acoc

[snow locust]

My assumption is that your conquerors just needs to be way above your enemy’s in order to kill them. Bc Luffy literally like punched Saturn into pieces but Saturn still regenerated. Although ig that could also be bc the Gorosei might have a higher contract than the HKs?

[elder kraken]

Nah you prolly misunderstood

[fresh silo]

u should probably take english classes, u don't really know how to portray what u r thinking]

[elder kraken]

U dont have comprehension

[fossil nimbus]

Or it could be since the gorosei have conquerors, they used it to defend themselves which cancelled out luffys conquerors. Like rocks vs garp and roger

[fresh silo]

i don't think that luffy was using acoc, even if he was it wasn't really that good coz he just got the idea of using it like 1 arc back, so ig there is a lot of room for improvement for luffy, but ur point seems valid

[sage temple]

Yeah and the point is Harald can't turn off his regeneration or the durability he's born with as an Ancient Giant. Loki overcame both of these things and killed him

At only 16 mind you

[snow locust]

Yeah that’s what I mean, that Luffy wasn’t able to kill Saturn bc his conquerors wasn’t superior enough. But I’m not sure, this regen stuff is kinda annoying lol I just hope Oda clears it all up

[sage temple]

So currently Loki being stronger than Shanks is a 50/50 decision

[ivory sonnet]

If yall debating over Loki and Shanks strength I have one scenario in my mind.
The reason for Loki's major strength can be given as Ragnir rather than his df due to which If Loki is unable to use Ragnir he might not be that level of threat which he currently feels and hence Shanks with his immense level of haki and strength can defeat him.(Well this doesn't has to be true its just one of the many possible scenarios )

[shadow python]

Gyaban used Acoc and attacked CoC less Summers but Summers didn't die.

[ivory sonnet]

cause Gyaban isn't him .

[sage temple]

Wdym if Loki is unable to use Ragnir..? That's his weapon? He was still able to completely tank a hit from HK Harald and manhandle him without using Ragnir and just using his Devil Fruit

[shadow python]

Just being a little over the enemy shouldn't be enough. And its hard to imagine Lokis CoC being that much higher than Haralds to begin with

[elder kraken]

I agree with this, I understand it. What Im tryna point out is (stats aside) Harald surrendered at the end, no named attacks, and all of the people in the room was tryna smoke Imu. It wasn't purely a Loki vs DR Harald 1on1 full fight and I’ve seen a lot of ppl treat it that way

[sage temple]

But saying "what if Loki can't use Ragnir" is a weird argument

That's his weapon

[fresh silo]

he will clear it up as now we should get a proper HK fight, but if we speak of luffy his Acoc is no where near the level it should be to defeat HKs as of now, but hopefully he would be better at it by the end of elbaf

[sage temple]

Obviously he'd be debuffed if he doesn't have his main weapon

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[sage temple]

That's the same with Shanks

[shadow python]

Zoro with zero swords was a match for Sanji in Longring Longland

[fossil nimbus]

Ofc if someone isn't able to use their main weapon, they wouldn't be as strong

[snow locust]

This is the part that bothers me most. Sommers doesn’t have COC at all, so even if the regen-user doesn’t have COC, using ACOC still isn’t guaranteed to completely negate the regen?

[shadow python]

The accepted explanation is that Zoro was holding back originally when clashing with Sanji. And later on when Zoro was handicapped Sanji in turn held back for Zoro

[sage temple]

HK Harald was completely regenerated by the time he charged at Loki and got manhandled. So it was basically a Loki vs Harald 1 on 1 fight where Loki was at full health and Harald was fully regenerated

[ivory sonnet]

Ik thats wird but what if a scenario is created where Ragnir isn't with him or probably Ragnir by his own feels that Loki is wrong and she shouldn't go and fight wg one on one or If he believes that in Loki and Shanks argument he thought Shanks was correct and decides to help Shanks in defeating Loki cause getting defeated was actually beneficial for Loki.

[elder kraken]

All out? Nope… definitely not after surrendering at the end

[sage temple]

And saying no named attacks doesn't mean much. Oda was trying to show us as little of the fight as possible so even if there were named attacks that likely wouldn't be shown

[shadow python]

I dont like Gyabans hit them really hard startegy id have preferred if the answer was complete eradication. But this chapter suggests thats not the case

[sage temple]

At the beginning Harald went all out and at the end he surrendered

At the beginning it was evident Harald couldn't do anything against Loki going all out

[elder kraken]

Nah

[shadow python]

Named attacks are awkward when first getting a fruit. We see this with Kaidos boro breath just being called Dragon. And Kakus slicing skyfall technique being called pasta machine

[elder kraken]

There was no all out

What is this

And even if it was, by definition he wouldnt surrender

[sage temple]

It is weird. I can say the same about Shanks not having his sword and Loki going at him with everything. Loki would probably win that. It doesn't even matter if Ragnir thinks he's wrong since it's clear that the criteria to use Ragnir isn't if you're kind or not since Harald as an Imu vessel is implied to be able to use it

[sage temple]

Yes there was, Harald came at Loki at the beginning of the fight with the intent to kill

[elder kraken]

That doesnt mean he's going all out

[sage temple]

And saying it had no named attacks doesn't mean anything Oda wouldn't show any even if there was

[shadow python]

Yarul didnt seem to know about the squirrel take that as you will

[sage temple]

Using that logic I can say Loki wasn't going all out either and was still able to handle Harald

[shadow python]

The squirrels test is probably under a fair amount of hearsay for the giants. Loki didnt know there would be a test at all.

Possessed Imu thinking he just wasnt strong enough doesnt mean he was right

[elder kraken]

It means anything, Oda didnt need to show because the intention of writing that scene was to show Harald's sacrifice

[elder kraken]

Yes

No one was going all out

[sage temple]

The author is trying to show us as little of the fight as possible to keep Loki's fruit in the dark. Even if there were named attacks he wouldn't show anything

[elder kraken]

You thought I meant to tell you that Loki was going all out but Harald wasnt???????

[sage temple]

I mean I guess. But still Loki being stronger than Shanks is 50/50

[sage temple]

Yes because you have been trying to make it seem like Loki killing Harald isn't a crazy feat

[ivory sonnet]

Then what if Loki was separated from Ragnir?
I am just trying to imagine scenarios in which Shanks could defeat Loki and the only thing I am imagining is Shanks having a chance to win against Loki when he is prevented from using Ragnir. I feel like that because Loki+ df + Ragnir way too broken combo and I can bet Shanks cannot defeat this Loki.

[elder kraken]

That’s what Im tryna say, that’s why the fight isnt all out (to show mystery of the ability)

[shadow python]

I can see the justification of skipping Lola but i dont see why we wouldn't at least acknowledge the Shanks Loki encounter 6 years ago

[elder kraken]

🤦‍♂️ I've literally said that I disagree with the people who make it seem that Loki and Harald was a full all out fight. I wasn't saying that

It is a feat 100%

[shadow python]

I doubt loki is getting a 2nd flashback when his first one is longer than all of the non Jinbabe strawhats combined

[sage temple]

Okay well it doesn't really matter, whether Loki is stronger than Shanks or not is still 50/50 based on these past chapters of Loki killing Harald and how strong he's proven to be

[elder kraken]

What were we even arguing about and a lot of people are taking a piss out of me for 😂😂😂😂

[sage temple]

Ok then if Loki was separated from Ragnir it's a 50/50 on who would win since Loki didn't need Ragnir to fight just fine against Harald

[shadow python]

Nothing we've seen suggests Shanks is at the level of power that Loki is inferred to be at. But since we know Shanks captured Loki we were conditioned to believe Loki was weaker

[elder kraken]

My point was : wasnt all out fight that's it

And these people thought I was downplaying Loki

[sage temple]

You said Loki is 100% losing against Shanks and I brought up Loki killing HK Harald as a feat to tell you why Loki being stronger than Shanks is a 50/50 chance for either side

[shadow python]

It doesn't help that Loki has a smaller bounty. And even if we say bounty size doesn't matter we all know it does

[elder kraken]

The 100% is an obvious hyperbole

[sage temple]

We don't know what special bounty means

A special bounty of 2.6 billion could equal a normal bounty of 5 billion

We don't know

[placid basin]

ye look at chopper bounty so underrated 😡

[high wolf]

He has a higher bounty because he is a yonko?

Also, I don't think we know what Shanks' bounty was 6 years ago.

[sage temple]

Okay, well Loki winning or losing against Shanks isa 50/50 chance for either

[sage temple]

True we don't

[shadow python]

We did however see Shanks bounty when he abandoned Uta

[fossil nimbus]

bounty isn't just strength

[elder kraken]

That’s subjective, for me shanks has the edge

Both are mysterious characters

So it is subjective

[sage temple]

And even if we treat Loki's bounty as a normal bounty, he still has a top 4 among the people back then

[sage temple]

Okay, well for me Loki has the edge

[dense rapids]

What are you guys most excited to see during the VC Arc

[elder kraken]

Yeah sure let's end it right here, Ion have anything against you okay

[shadow python]

Considering the govt knows that Loki killed Harald even if they didnt know he wad immortal 2.6 bil seems rather low

[crimson yacht]

Lower than Mihawk

[sage temple]

Alr

[sage temple]

Mihawk's bounty was only established after the warlord system was ended right?

[shadow python]

He probably had kne beforehand but yes his current bounty is recent

[crimson yacht]

Yea

Big mom rlly got a top 4 bounty

[shadow python]

Oh also. Kaido isnt a captain. Thats kinda intetesting

[crimson yacht]

she Cold

[sage temple]

And the warlord system ended later than 6 years ago right?

[crimson yacht]

It ended not that long ago but we don’t know when it started

[sage temple]

Okay so Mihawk's bounty was given later than 6 years ago

[crimson yacht]

Mihawks bounty is off his actual strength anyways n since he was the wss for years I doubt it’s much lower if at all

[sage temple]

So my point still stands, at the time, Loki's bounty was top 4/5 in the world depending on what Shanks' was

[crimson yacht]

His bounty got frozen when he was a warlord

[shadow python]

Mihawk is also allied wiyh cross guild which should play a significant factor

[crimson yacht]

No

[shadow python]

Croc went from 81 mil to over 1 billion due to cross guild

[crimson yacht]

Because we don’t know when Loki was issued this bounty

[shadow python]

At least 6 years ago

Loki has been tied to a tree the last 6 years he didnt get a bounty recently

[fossil nimbus]

6 years + ago most likely

[sage temple]

Yeah but bounties jump between before and after you become a warlord

So this isn't really a point

[crimson yacht]

This has only happened with crocodile

[sage temple]

Hm maybe

[dense rapids]

^

[shadow python]

Boas bounty was also significantly higher

[sage temple]

So bounties can jump between before and after you become a warlord

[dense rapids]

The other warlords bounty still the same except buggy and croc

[crimson yacht]

boa had an original bounty ?

when

[sage temple]

So between before and after you become a warlord, bounties can still jump

So saying his bounty was frozen doesn't mean much

[shadow python]

Actually thats a good point did Law not get a bounty update post dressrosa?

[crimson yacht]

They can but the only exception is two people who did significant things

[dense rapids]

80 mil iirc

[crimson yacht]

Crocodile was at marineford

[ruby moat]

mihawk didnt do shit as a warlord

[sage temple]

Wasn't Mihawk at marineford too

[crimson yacht]

Buggy broke out of impel at marineford started cg

[crimson yacht]

For the marines

[fossil nimbus]

boas bounty wasn't shown until after the warlords ended right?

[dense rapids]

Naw

She had 80 pre ts

[shadow python]

Mihawks marineford appearance would not encourage a high bounty

[fossil nimbus]

do you have the panel?

[sage temple]

Yes but what if his influence or imfamy grew between his enlistment and resignation

Bounties aren't strictly based off strength alone which is why it's illogical to bounty scale

[fossil nimbus]

thanks

[sage temple]

Wow that jumped up a lot

[crimson yacht]

Who knows

[shadow python]

Boa was seen by the navy as a strong enough force to terrify the yonkou Blackbeard

The incident at Amazon Lily will be seen for generations as a turning point in the age of Blackbeard

Although...i don't recall whether Boa got her new bounty before or after this event

[sage temple]

Yeah so Mihawk's bounty being above Loki's 6 years ago isn't really a fact now is it

https://tenor.com/view/staring-at-you-mark-phillips-rdcworld1-looking-at-you-glancing-at-you-gif-13248227540072700931

[dense haven]

loki vs mihawk who wins

[crimson yacht]

I said it was possible

[crimson yacht]

Mihawk bro

let’s stop it

[sage temple]

Loki imo

[crimson yacht]

Loki gotta be the most glazed nigga in opor history for having a single feat

N that’s killing his mindless dad who gave up

[sage temple]

Yeah it is but from what we know Loki was top 4

[shadow python]

Mihawk has no relevant feats we only know hes strong because hes carried by Shanks

[high wolf]

It depends on Shanks vs Loki

If shanks actually beat him in a 1v1, Mihawk is stronger.

But if shanks jumped loki with his crew, then I'm not sure.

[shadow python]

But Lokis feat is more impressive than anythinf Shanks has done

[sage temple]

"A single feat" It's likely nobody else can kill a HK other than Loki and Joyboy himself

[crimson yacht]

Mihawk is narrative carried

That’s why he’s the goat

[ruby moat]

loki shmoki shanks spanks lets talk about EOS Coby instead

[shadow python]

Actually retroactively caltiring Loki is Shanks' most impressive feat

[crimson yacht]

Bro what

[sage temple]

Loki was likely the first person to hurt Imu in 800 years lmao

[crimson yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/steve-harrington-stranger-things-steve-steve-harrington-hand-hand-on-head-gif-11593158090835654468

[sage temple]

Gaban can't even fathom a HK dying

[high wolf]

Mihawk is carried by his WSS title, and being zoro's goal.

[sage temple]

https://tenor.com/view/druski-holding-laugh-holding-laugh-holding-laughter-trying-not-to-laugh-gif-14728402291966348228

[crimson yacht]

Abilities exist bro

Big mom could kill a holy knight

Hax and gimmicks

[shadow python]

Wss doesn't mean anything. Especially when said wss was stalled out by Vista

[fossil nimbus]

its just narrative

[sage temple]

Going off a lot of assumptions here

[shadow python]

Kaido was called worlds strongest creature but Squirrel outperforms

[high wolf]

It's because he's holding back? 😭

[indigo granite]

Oh mam....this chat is active

Hmmm

[tidal ice]

kaido woulld have gotten ragnir if he was there first

[fossil nimbus]

One of Mihawks first lines is that he doesn't go all out when fighting people weaker than him. He saw vista as a strong swordsman, so didn't kill him

[shadow python]

Im sorry repeat that for me?

[high wolf]

Kaido was RUMOURED to be the World's Strongest Creature. Stated by the omniscient narrator himself.

While that same Omniscient narrator never says Mihawk is "Rumoured" to be the WSS, it outright states he's the WSS.

[crimson yacht]

what assumption

[ruby moat]

u can just read the message again its still there

[crimson yacht]

They can’t regenerate their soul

They just die

[shadow python]

He doesnt go after weak swordsmen presumably because he only wants to fight strong ones...but the moment he fights a strong guy in Vista he bounced

[crimson yacht]

Mihawk clashes vista like twice and the whole time he’s focused on luffy

It’s like 2 panels worth

and he tells vista to go away cause Mihawk was done for the day

[fossil nimbus]

The marines were going to raise the walls and shoot canons where the pirates were, so he told vista it was beneficial for them to stop. Because in a few minutes, that whole platform would have been destroyed

[high wolf]

Ikr

People genuinely believe mihawk was using FP in marineford 😭💔

[crimson yacht]

it’s not meant to be a Mihawk downscale

[high wolf]

Because of that mistranslated panel

[sage temple]

They probably can honestly ACoC is their sole weakness imo

[fossil nimbus]

Even if Mihawks feats aren't that good, do people really think the one of the main characters final goals is as strong as vista?

[dense haven]

ragnir > kaido ez

[shadow python]

What about when Mihawk says he wants to see how great the gap is between he and Whitebeard and launches a slash but doesnt even get Wb to react because Jozu blocked it?

[sage temple]

https://tenor.com/view/twolaugh-lordzaga-gif-13053470704677817968

[shadow python]

Mihawk is now Zoros teacher so he is destined to die to someone besides Zoro as a way of surpassing the master

[dense rapids]

Ragnir is metal?

[indigo granite]

Thank god we all agree on ragnir

[high wolf]

He's referring to Prime WB.

Also, Breath of all things Exists.

[shadow python]

Why on earth would he be referring to prime wb?

Old whitebeard is in front of him. He says some line inferring he knows old wb is way above him and he wants to see how inferior he is. He launches an attack and wb doesnt even bother taking it since one of his commanders can handle it easily enough

[crimson yacht]

?

how would they regenerate their soul

😭

big mom kills any knight

unless they arent afraid of her

[shadow python]

Why fear big mom when you're immortal?

[dense rapids]

Every soul manip fruit probably can kill a knight tbh

There’s only Big Mom and Brook iirc

[sage temple]

Imu's powers defy logic

I dunno

I feel like they could regen their souls as well

[crimson yacht]

sommers shit himself seein gaban

big mom could prob scare him

[sage temple]

Especially since the covenant itself seems soul-binding

[indigo granite]

We just need to hit em really hard

[shadow python]

Did Raybae hurt Summers when he rescued Shakky? It seems like even back then he had Acoc

[indigo granite]

Whip out that acoc to beat em

[sage temple]

Oh that reminds me I think Shanks is still bound by the Shallows covenant even after sacrificing his arm

If it was just his arm that needs to be removed then it makes no sense imo

[shadow python]

Its a line that seems to only exist to justify why Shanks can be taken over

[sage temple]

If that was the case then Imu would put the mark on their necks or the place over their heart or smth

I don't see why a covenant can be removed just from removing the body part the mark is on

[shadow python]

Because Shanks has the mark if he were to find the One Piece Imu can pop up and just take it

[sage temple]

Imu wouldn't put it on a nonvital body part if that was the case imo

[sage temple]

Pretty much yeah

[indigo granite]

I guess if its soul binding then it wouldn't be that easy.....but then imu will domi shanks and BB + Luffy must kill him

[sage temple]

[shadow python]

If Imu can domi anyone its a broken power that really should be abused more

[indigo granite]

I mean he did gets rocks....which is kinda one of those pinnacle characters....

[golden valley]

This is why I don’t subscribe to the soul-counter theories because Brook whole thing is effecting the soul, even going as far as attacking it

[shadow python]

Imagine having the power to make anyone you touch your slave. Oh wait isnt that Sugars power? Hax powers are too strong and if Vegapunk had access to Pinks fruit he should have access to sugars

[golden valley]

And guess what? Gorosei regenerate just fine after he attacked one

[dense rapids]

Just realized Hajrudin’s ship is named Naglfar so that can’t be the name of Loki’s

[dense rapids]

When did that get revealed?

[indigo granite]

So we need a new seraphim, S-sweets

[shadow python]

One explanation is Imu can only domi if you're on the island you were born.

[sage temple]

TRUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[shadow python]

Which is useless in most every case fighting pirates but happened to meet yhe criteria for Rocks as well as the elbaf Giants

[indigo granite]

Send s-bear to send imu and the character in question to their birth island, ez

[sage temple]

This falls under the assumption that the Domi Reversi dreams have a homeland on Elbaph

[indigo granite]

Actually ig imu technically doesn't have control

Since the gorosei has the highest authority

[shadow python]

The dreams aren't reversii'd right? they were going wild even before Gunko was possessed

But i would imagine the dreams of the children would also be born on Elbaf

[sage temple]

They were converted into a domi reversi form after Imu arrived

Some of them

[shadow python]

I would think Bonney has the highest authority over S bear particularly

[high wolf]

Because he's infamous for being known as the World's Strongest Man?

[vital heart]

Cover story. Probably during WCI.

[dense rapids]

Sbs

[vital heart]

Cap

[high wolf]

Also, It's exactly why he's testing WB. To see if he got weaker due to his old age. He doesn't know that old WB is weaker than his prime version, without testing him.

Like I said, Breath of all things exists.

[dense rapids]

Naw I looked it up earlier

[sage temple]

I think ice is the first potential counter to Lunarians. Loki puts out the Draugr's flame when he uses Niflheim so the same is probably the case for Lunarians, just temporarily

Also I think the Draugr and Lunarians are related

[azure wasp]

He's not even testing WB. He's asking what it would really take to fight WB.
Same thing kizaru does. Hence marco line

you can't go straight for the king

The conversation os futhur extended in anime to imply the same.
Essentially was just meant to show to reach WB they needed to beat the rest of pirates. It was WB crew hype up

[high wolf]

Yeah

[fast pagoda]

Socrates, how would you feel if Loki ended up becoming captain of the unfrozen Galera giants?

I think at this point. That's the direction I'd like to see his character take the most

[willow pollen]

Loki is NOT joining

[fast pagoda]

Yeah lol

[thick mango]

I feel like the wg needs a little win

[fast pagoda]

They need a lot of wins

[sage temple]

That's what I think he'll do post arc

[fast pagoda]

I'd like that much more than him being king of Elbaph

[fast pagoda]

Starting with Imu right now

[buoyant comet]

Loki is gonna be Luffys subordinate

[sage temple]

Yeah his goal seems to extend farther than leading giants diplomatically

[dense haven]

https://tenor.com/view/essica-monthly-squirrel-18th-gif-10594752853148512265

[eager shell]

i love the ragnir agenda

[dense rapids]

Until Imu pet demon power cliff him in the final war 😭

[sudden dock]

It's so weird how the straw hats never divide treasure equally

[shadow python]

They do. Nami takes 90% gives away 20% of that to the rest of the crew as allowance. Then the remaining is saved.

[sudden dock]

@shadow python classic greedy nami

[shadow python]

"The money is all mine but the deal affects the entire crew"

[sudden dock]

But let's be honest most of them don't even care about treasure. And if Luffy were given money he'd spend it all on food like he did on water 7

Still if I were a member of the crew I would insist on being given a fair share of plunder.

[unique lagoon]

whens the last time the SH got a lot of cash

[shadow python]

When was the last time the crew got money? I guess they could have taken Kaidos treasures

[unique lagoon]

cuz they dint got the diamonds back in egghead

[shadow python]

But i would think they'd return them to Wano

[cold steppe]

Luffy owns wano

[merry bone]

Seeing people complain about one piece fan service is hilarious. It's like complaining that a Mario game is too easy

[craggy vapor]

got a point

[fossil nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-one-piece-admirals-one-piece-fan-letter-fan-latter-akainu-gif-2635560744524872679

[craggy vapor]

waiting for Fujitora to donut somebody with a fucking meteor

[eager shell]

imu a bum huff huff

[ivory sonnet]

I noticed the moment chapter was released and said our donut trio is finally completed

[muted hedge]

https://x.com/Trope_Art/status/2012740279749538138/photo/1

Trope ~comms closed atm~ (@Trope_Art)

X · Jan 18, 2026, 4:14 AM

[placid rover]

What are the elbaf giants going to do to the giant ass frozen draugr

[muted hedge]

it will probably disappear, assuming that Killingham will be beaten

[fossil anvil]

What could Roger and whitebeard have meant when talking about the OP turning the world upside down?

[muted hedge]

the world as people know it, will forever change

[torn stirrup]

this frame

[muted hedge]

Elbaph is 'D' hm

also the architecture beneath Pangea castle seems to be constructed in order for giants to live there

everything is so, huge

[rose rune]

this was annoying

[shadow knoll]

https://tenor.com/view/sea-lion-wiggle-sea-lion-funny-sea-lion-silly-gif-3392151111063749536

[frozen aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/crazy-seal-seal-dance-seal-dancing-seal-seals-gif-17832446272461573261

[placid rover]

Y'all think the Draugr that fought loki solos Jack

[muted hedge]

you're being kind when you say 'fought Loki' lol

[fluid cedar]

The nightmares aren’t strong they go down easily

[placid rover]

What makes you say that
He seems pretty tuff to me

[placid rover]

I like draugr

[muted hedge]

they're very strong against the not so top tier caliber of fighters

like they singlehandedly kept Elbaph under wraps

[placid rover]

[tender harness]

The fact that it takes killingham nothing to create the dream monsters is crazy

[frail kindle]

It probably requires stamina to keep them up

[tender harness]

And the skeleton didn’t explode after 1 hit from Loki says something about its durability

[tender harness]

If there is a limit it seems very high

That’s probably a monster made from brook’s image

[hearty shore]

i mean it's a skeleton

[tender harness]

Giant kids to be scared of tiny walking bone man

[hearty shore]

brook is a skeleton

[muted hedge]

the fact that they keep on coming too, even if you defeat one they'll just start coming back

it's literally a pocket army

[tender harness]

Bro is a walking mob spawner

Also killingham can just put people to sleep by touching them

It’s like discount haki

[twin comet]

loki one shots doffy, jack and the draugr

cant scale

oh mb for replying to msg 30 mins late r

[tender harness]

Killingham seems to be only able to spawn monsters from fear, so he might be useless in a 1vs1

[placid rover]

I mean look that Draugr is so huge
Loki is a good matchup for it

[tender harness]

But as a back line support, he’s literally god tier

[placid rover]

If Zunesha can whack jack then I'd say the Draugr can deal damage

[twin comet]

unless shanks fought loki in a 1v1 no bs, loki is top 2

[placid rover]

Yeah I mean in terms of size

[twin comet]

;-;

[tender harness]

Also killingham almost solos the entire giant pirates while the whole gorosei got like 3 kills?

[rose rune]

strongest holy knight

[icy wolf]

we need to see him actually fight

[craggy vapor]

is this killingham’s real face?

[rose rune]

yes

[craggy vapor]

why does he have his balls in his chin?

[mighty roost]

yeah truly a CD

[rose rune]

a cleft is a sign of masculinity, truly the peak of mankind

[digital spear]

So glue

[iron oriole]

Thats Killinghams brother, Bellingham

[frozen aspen]

https://www.tumblr.com/yjxyjqvelfr/805710552328536064?source=share

ному

-# #one piece #shamrock #shanks #buggy

Tumblr · Jan 14, 2026, 10:11 AM

[frozen aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/belligoal-bellingham-real-madrid-celebration-bellingham-celebration-gif-11738617011189663619

[azure wasp]

If he was a sanji opponent

[muted hedge]

https://x.com/uchiha90229/status/2012427352941175288/photo/1

Cinecrafter (@uchiha90229)

#ONEPIECE #buggy #Shamrock #Shanks

X · Jan 17, 2026, 7:30 AM

@ jialve

[high wolf]

My GOAT Wanji is defeating him trust

[iron oriole]

Literally the same picture

[tawny panther]

Sommers feels more like a Sanji matchup in Elbaf than Killingham

[muted hedge]

definitely

[high wolf]

Yeah

[tawny panther]

but Killingham also doesn’t feel like your typical Zoro matchup so idk

[high wolf]

I take back what I said

I forgot about sommers 😭

[muted hedge]

Killingham does have blades on his trident, i guess

[olive sigil]

Dragon fruit

[rose rune]

he's kind of the "we weaker straw hats have to work together to beat him" matchup

[mighty roost]

i feel like sommers is gonna get bodied by the rest of the SH's. How? idk

[tawny panther]

lol yep that’s exactly what it feels like !

[olive sigil]

The weaker guys can deal with the dreams

[mighty roost]

that goes for sommers ngl

[tawny panther]

with how he fights and just sits back and lets his monsters do all the work ..

[rose rune]

he doesn't really give off that to me

[tawny panther]

even Imu was like “ Killingham is this all you got .. is this the best you can do “

[muted hedge]

well we've not seen him engage in a 1v1

and from what we saw he slammed a giant against the pavement

so i wouldn't count him out

[fossil nimbus]

tbh all the HK except shamrock seem this way. Maybe I downplay them too much

[mighty roost]

defo would happen with sommers cuz he a bum

[tawny panther]

this is also true .. it’s just a HK thing

[muted hedge]

which is crazy since Killingham alone was holding wraps on all of Elbaph at that time

[rose rune]

you downplay them too much.
also, being the one they have to work together to beat is not a sign of weakness

[teal smelt]

What part do you guys think elbaf is at right now if you were thinking about it like egghead

[azure wasp]

Giraffes fit zoro opponent

[tawny panther]

Kuma/Bonney flashback just ended and now we back to present day

[mighty roost]

after kuma flashback

[mighty roost]

https://tenor.com/view/brain-same-wavelength-twins-thinking-cosmic-energy-gif-15106217

[teal smelt]

That's accurate