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Why is it a stupid rebuttal
yh we know gng
this gives the vibes of piratefolk
Read the fucking thing and you know what’s stupid about it
I think ancient giants predate even imu from his dialog
Ok
It even includes transphobia in the meme. See? Lol
could be
You can sniff these people out from people who just didn’t like what Oda did with Yamato so easily
I’m here trying to discuss their character nuances and this dude says “clearly this person needs to stop being what their character is designed for”
self projecting
if they’re ancient even to giants then they must be really ancient
harsh why are you so harsh
Give me a break
how do u know im not trans
Where’s the transphobia?
guys be self projecting sometimes
I've said stuff like this but its still dont have command. I am untouchable
you calling me koya?
Ts ass and its just mainly sexual jokes
Maybe he has a point to make and you are just being dismissive
yamato's biggest service to the story is making her another nami tbh
The fact ragnir is so unknown even to giants with 300+ year lifespans is kinda sus. Makes me think ragnir + Ancient giants might be first world and imu comes from second world
Egh
I would have to reread Wano, but Yamato's personality is heavily influenced by Oden to the point it feels like a detriment.
I assume imu is 800 years old anyway to fit the Saint Imu Nerona narrative so second world stuff
If a major portion of your opinion of a character comes from memes that are 80% LE BIG BOOBEES “he?! 💀” you don’t have an opinion, you’re just reacting to shit like an animal
Yamato was always meant to be wanos protector no matter what. That's literally her only job
only reason Yamato didnt join the crew is because Oda messed up by making the character another character tbh
Because of her df? Yes true
by making the character another character
but its not the be all end all
If his response to my message discussing why exactly Yamato and Loki are similar yet different in their approach to admiring their hero figure has a point then every stupid comment made here without any basis in the story here has a point, read his response to what I said and come back to me
And the fact that nobody else could do it. As they stated kaido being gone leaves a huge power vacuum
Yamato being a rug pull at the end of Wano rubbed a lot of people the wrong way, me being one of them. It was a strange bait and switch. Supposedly, I've heard if you reread, the fact they won't join is more apprarent.
yamato and oden arent real, why would i refer to them as if they were human beings not characters
where did you pull that this is my point from ❓
Lots of crazy arguments being thrown around here lmao
those who nose 👃
Yall are wild
This has nothing to do with the discussion at hand about Loki and Yamato’s respective characterization
maybe im wrong but ur tone suggest so gng 🤷♂️
oh I had no idea Loki was involved. what is the origins of the topic then?
loki is just what yamato should've been
?
characterwise
In what way
Loki and Yamato seem to be very different characters
No you cannot fathom the fact that different people react to and internalize issues in different ways, have you considered that?
I guess they both look up to someone? But hell Luffy looks up to Shanks.
they are very different yeah
Not comparable at all imo
You can idolize someone and not be obsessed with being exactly them
The initial point that started all this was that Yamato and Loki shared some character beats and that they would probably be bros if they met
thats what i was saying but im wrong apparently
That’s the only point that was being made
they have similar traits/story beats but the way they go about them are different
people do, thats not the point. But Yamato is an objectively badly written character
Yamato’s idea about freedom is linked to being Oden, you’re making a non sequitur and then making a whole new deal out of thin air
I think the phrasing is just confusing
I mean, yeah I'm sure they could maybe get along. Though Yamato might be turned off by Loki's brashness.
Yamato isn't objectively badly written, lol
Nobody was trying to say they’re the same character except the bleach pfp who used it to say “no actually they are and Yamato SUCKS”
possibly, english isnt my first language so who knows
Loki would be turned off by Yamato’s affinity for making friends quickly xD
Poor boy has been hurt so often
Interesting
Loki’s admiration of rocks is definitely healthier than Yamatos admiration of oden
But Yamato is a good character still, due in large part to her relationship with Oden
true, subjectively bad written
Yeah I don’t like Yamato but I think he’s like…fine
you can't really say anything is truly objectively bad when it comes to writing, since it's all art.
One of the characters of all time to me
I also dont care about yamato that much
i dont buy it. We should've seen some self identity from Yamato in Wano, especially if Oda really wanted yamato to join the crew tbh
I think so as well. It would depend if his judgement of character is as good as Luffy’s, which I’m inclined to think is pretty likely given how ingratiated he was to Ace almost immediately
but who knows
Your “objectivity” here doesn’t factor in, you thinking Yamato is an “objectively bad character” while others do not agree so and think otherwise makes your point subjective and inherent to your understanding or moreso misunderstood notion of the story
I like Yamato, but they could've been more writing-wise for me. I mostly just like their color scheme and backstory.
Very cool design and powers
why are you pressing on the semantics of meaningless things not the general idea
Severely lacking in emotional attachment
You don’t know what I’m talking about
Yamatos lowk boring
We got that at the end I think
With Yamato declaring she’s the son of kaido
where the hell have you been lately?
Like literally this shit is elementary
I love yamato
The hair is like 20% of why I love him
I like how Oda made Loki an idolizer a lot more than Yamato
Most fun hair in the series hands down
it's really well colored by oda
^what i've been saying
Goda
yamato is awesome but i do agree he was lackluster
“Is this English literature” no this is media literacy
Fuck this character bullshit who cares, best hair????
I love how Oda explores the same trope in like varying intensity levels through different characters
just don't use the word objetively and that's it that word is a rager bait 
complaining abt subjective and objective is his biggest point not Yamato bruh
Yamto's idolization probably also comes from a place of trauma of watching someone get their brains blown out by your own father.
shamrock clears
I think Loki is the only serious answer
It’s only one color. It has shape points for sure.
And it’s a lame ass normal color
loki gets points on the colour
Even shanks was upset
And length
im not a fan of the two tails on the front
Why is Loki getting such massive feat
If you laugh you go to hell
im a braids guy
Do you mean 21 or what
Not ridiculous to say Loki is stronger than Shanks rn
In that point of the flashback when Imu had his little meeting Loki was 16

What am I reading, man
I am starting to think shanks didn’t beat Loki now
I thought he was 19 lowk
People hate the idea of Shanks not getting the feat they want for him but it's pretty possible
bro read in x2
Since this is Oda glazes Shanks so much Shanks 1v1ing Loki and winning back then is probably 60/40 but Shanks needing help is pretty possible rn
Oda glazing loki's df hard this chapter
itd be funny if all of his fruit is just name dropping things from norse mythology
Would be based
Loki’s fruit could be Thor
hes a big nerd
amazing how he can stretch one reveal this long 😭
A literal fucking god
coming back to this, random tangent: this is precisely why it bothers me when people start throwing around words like "objectively" to make their arguments, as if they go beyond this whole subjective lenses they are viewing the story through
that wouldnt make sense considering loki turns into a beast

thor that runs on all 4s
I mean he did wait like 1040ish chapters to reveal the Nika fruit 
given how mythical zoans are oda can just throw whatever at the wall
thor's signature claws and roar
Hi all,
Hope you all enjoy One Piece Chapter 1171: Ragnir!
I helped translate this chapter for TCB. Ping me if ya got any questions, comments, or criticisms.
how he can do... what?
So peak twin
i'm sure objective can be used in cases, just not when it comes to art
how did you get into translating in the first place is there a secret society
hi meek
Good job meek
I started with opscans during Egghead. During the Kuma flashback I left opscans (1090s). I had a slight break and was recruited for TCB during the Vegapunk speech (1117)
He’s half Japanese
HNNNNGGGHHHH 😌
to be honest i'd make an argument against it even there (human experience limitation and all, our "objective" truths in this era as far as science goes are rooted in that when you break it down), but that's more of a philosophical discussion at that point lol
Who even are you
100% red panda
Oda got glazed over Shanks this chapter
I’m warning you that they will switch up on Ragnir
So Ragnir has storm powers
What I think about the chapter is that Gaban is awesome.
oh yeah the niflheim attack was probably from ragnir
I think ragnir has 9 devil fruits!
shanks upscale by the way
Ill still bump this agenda till the day Usopp dies
at least post the credits https://x.com/hellaswag12345/status/2011642414813892833?s=46&t=NmAFw-Me_Sx4utkUh4BzNQ
nice embedding emood
Ragnirfesting season
Need to watermark your art better if you want that
what was the original japanese of Imu saying "elbaf is of the d."?
that was on purpose cause it was already embedded once
Lemme send you this message. Not retyping
You cropped the shit out of it xD
Well yea i saw it from a yt short
😭
Selling

He’s so sick
Oda didn’t have to make him so sick
Remember when people were afraid he’d be silly looking
I remember those times when people used to assume he's gonna be like Orochi
Remember
Hes the sidekick
Ragnir and it's sidekick
Is it it a coincidence that ussop chose a hammer as his bluff weapon of choice vs mr 4
There's always a fan for anything I suppose
And now loki actually using a hammer
-# SQUEAK SQUEAK
Loki looks majestic here ngl
Lokabwe
The eye bandages add aura icl
Aura
loki aura farming will never end
Just get rid of the arabic text + bubbles.
So excited to see Loki in the anime
No its not
Brah added in haki for the lolz
Oh yeaaaaaaaaaa
I like that we can see his sun tattoo better now
We already have
Yup thats definitely a sun
This tattoo looks like imperial japan’s flag during ww2
Wonder who did it for him lol
Road
Ida maybe
Bouta piss off all the Chinese and Korean one piece fans
She dead
Ida's the most likely person to tattoo Loki he didn't trust anyone back then
I never got to know where this is from
Ts is diabolical
Bc you’re right
that flag was also a symbol of a sun lol
One Piece in Love Spinoff
Ida would never
Toei animated it still
them talking about Estridd decades years after her death is funny
like damn it's not like Ida killed her
im still at punk hazard in the anime 
Ceasar dies
oh nooooo ive been spoiled................
True ngl they deserved to die
old news, happened 2000 years ago
That’s one way to put it lol
Aw shucks
Loki going thru it
Loki so much cooler than his dad
Oh, we're just casually dropping spoilers? MODS!
True he's the coolest in the bloodline
Unless the mural Loki looking figure is his ancestor
dropping Real Life spoilers is crazy I'm still on mesopotamia saga
Jarul let Loki be chained to a tree for four years
wait til you hear what will smith did at the oscars
He took that promise to heart
Loki made him
What yall know about the Akkadian Empire
I'm sure you can find the pieces around
Shanks didn’t lose the arm with the seal did he
That EA-Nasir guy huh
Probably all blood splatter yeah
What a dick
euuuuuphrates river
It was the left arm(both the seal and the one he sacrificed in episode 4)
He did
Got it
he treated Nanni with such contempt
Wait till you learn how the rock you’re standing on was formed millions of years ago
So saving Luffy freed him
Also shanks is left handed so he is severely nerfed
nah he's all right now
I wonder if he couldn’t have someone do it when he expected it because it’s scary to do that to yourself
He would probably, almost definitely lose to mihawk if they fought again
Lacked conviction
I do love how even in ancient times we have shitty customer service
Eternal human experience
Given how shanks is characterized i dont think he'd be afraid of getting his arm chopped off
ea nasir would've been sucker punched live for that shit
Shanks was too much of a puss to have someone cut his arm off when he expected it 😔
tbh there's an argument to be made that ea-nasir was a good businessman and he was keeping those bad reviews because it told him which customers were untrustworthy
Yeah but that’s young shanks maybe he really lacked a bit of conviction
maybe the akkadian karens are the real villains here
1000 pounds of copper all of bad quality, withholding funds after a refund request, and then treats the customer and their messengers with contempt
I wonder how Loki completely voided his regen
that guy is a bitch
fuking hell man Ragnir is too cold
Loki so far seems like the only guy able to kill a regen user
what if they deserved it though
it's either ragnir, loki's df, conq haki, or some combo of the above
no pun intended
Also why would they ask Loki to join the HKs after Imu saying we must not have that happen
I don't get it
Usopp becomes my top3 SH if he gets Ragnir 
did his many messengers deserve to all be treated with such disrespect?!! I'm seeing a common denominator here
maybe the messengers were assholes too
playing devil's advocate for a copper seller 
he's simply misunderstood
Imu forgot
Or oda did
Getting hard to discern what might be intentional or a mistake these days

i think it's more likely imu has learned new info about elbaf that means he needs it now and can't leave it alone
Y'all think Draugr could solo Doflamingo
Yes
what did yall make of the Elbaf D line?


It makes sense
Logan Paul decided to hop on the one piece fan clout chase
The island is on top of the A D Am tree
he called the protagonist "Luffy D. Monkey"
maybe something about the war between joyboy vs imu etc
and elepaf was helping joyboy so they got marked as d
The conclusion I’ve come to regarding that , combined with other previous hints , make me think every elbaf giant is a D , or almost every

Imagine every available giant helped joyboy , that means they all got given a D, that means they all passed it down their families
That’s why some random ass giant not even from elbaf wound up with a D, he’s educated and probably traced his family lineage and found his n full name , We aren’t even told giants full names usually
They lost history
i was joking before this chapter how many secret Ds ODa will reveal before OP ends
did not think a whole ass country will come out as Ds
Still a theory tho , there could be holes in it
Like if he’s from the other country of giants , do they have full names?
Are they all D too?
could be a case of Ds originating from Elbaf?
Could be
Maybe at the very least , if it’s not so grand , just the royal line could be Ds, Harald’s line , but it’s so suspicious we don’t even have a family name for even the royal line
Would be nice if Loki was a D.
It’s just Harald , Loki , Hajrduin , no last names , no last names for damn near every giant
It’s odd to me
How is Elbaph of the D. if none of them have anything more than a first name
that would also mean Hajru D in 😭
Yeah there are no family names for some reason
maybe like the minks could be of the d
That could be them missing their own history
Yeah
Maybe they don’t even know their family names lol
make a new theory
Very likely
They have a robot on their own island they know nothing of
Oda loves to give people first and last names but suddenly doesn’t for specific races or characters
Hmmm
if imu was implying the giants are descendents of the D clan probably
I dont think its that odd
If that is true Loki has crazy relation to the past
Different cultures do it differently
Maybe its a little strange he didnt choose the norse way
Loki haraldsson
Hellfire Serpent
Centuries old DF and Hammer that Imu doesn't even know
And possibly a D. monicker
I wish this was the case
-Imu: lives 800s years
-Also Imu: "is something unforseen lurking on Elbaf?"
god imu you fucking [redacted]
why didnt imu send cipher pol to check for things unforseen
he did
they got taken away by road's crow
remember
You can’t visit elbaf if you’re bitch made , you won’t even get passed the creepy fodder guy’s pet crow
dw imu I got you here it is
i can already see it. Usopp smacking Imu in the head with Ragnir
years of lying for this one true moment
I love how oda gave loki's devil fruit half a silhouette
like oh we're only allowed to see the top part

why is there something on the bottom I shan't see?
you’re not allowed to know it’s fenrir yet even tho it clearly is 
use the enhance technique from movies
im gonna use hacking techniques from the movies too
mashing my keyboard until something happens
just break through the firewall to get in to the mainframe
“Creepy fodder guy” rage bait

yo is she single?
Tekking is a fuckin idiot
He thinks that Loki's fruit is an eagle
becasue of the talons
fucking idiot
fuck you
get his ass
That just shows how unequipped most people would be to visit elbaf , can’t get past creepy fodder guy
nothing wrong with that
Irony is very funny
He probably just doesn’t want to settle in on the most popular idea and giving other ideas a chance, that’s how it sounds like at least
tekking slander....
its not an eagle xd
“Do not use my artwork” goes hard , can’t wait to frame this on my wall
So what would u ask daddy garling for
My mother back
bicycle
He’s not fodder. He’s the navigator of the new giant warrior pirates, self proclaimed Nika
Garling: granted.
kidnaps a new woman to call wife
Garling: u have a mother
Wait no-
nasty-ass mf
what if it's a griffin fruit
Garling: you don’t like? Okay I’ll kill her
2 bags of hot cheetos. An xbox 360. And a tub of coconut oil
Wait stop
One piece cards
shanks must've felt like throwing up when he saw where half his DNA comes from
Someone should turn this into the absolute cinema
I would ask him to keep himself safe
Wish granted
He gets u a 100 packs of the "celestial domination" set
They're all celestial dragon / holy land exclusive cards
With an ultra rare Sabo getting stabbed by Imu
Hell yea
And its named "The great one's strike"
I’m hoping to get Shamrock autographed rookie card
Garling: im immortal. No 1 can kill me
Rocks in the afterlife: fuck u
chopper
Shamrock is great at baseball if the ball is slave heads
Wish granted
He gives u chopper
Chopped up into pieces, cooked medium rare
After all his role is emergency food
And the holy land is having an emergency food crisis

they only eat lobster and cake sir
Thats why its specifically emergency food crisis
Loki x Usopp about to be great
and Hajrudin
crickets
Hajrudin not getting an ounce of glaze from me until he does something
i'm so interested to see where oda takes these two with this whole "liar" parrallel they've got going on. Loki has really made it seem like usopp will get his flowers in elbaf.
oh i guess loki did end up being a liar/trickster of sorts
just not in the way we expected
He just freed Loki
Shanks getting rid of that arm really freed him
😐
me after poop
I hope Ussop gets a powerup this arc
Cinema
i still hope hajrudin gets to get one over on loki this arc but it seems a bit less likely now
He’ll get it for 2 chapters then go back to being useless
All that glazing for loki and hajrudin just for both to work under usopp at the end
He should have a permanent popwerup since him wielding Ragnir seems pretty unlikely
WHY IS PUNK HAZARD PURPLE
ourple
iyrple
The first Person Luffy liberated as Nika the Sun God
What permanent power up can he get
Man dressrosa had no business being that long
Unless one of the HKs die and he takes their fruit
Probably to highlight it as being tied with Elbaph
i have a question
Completely undeserved
indirectly yeah, lol
Usopp with the dream fruit would be crazy
are the colors indigo and violet ragebait
no
When you are purple in a world of checkers
then why do they make me mad
indigo i can understand but violet is chill
Observation Haki proficiency
Since he already has it
Dolfius is a Biv hater in Roy G. Biv
but why does purple get two damn spots on the color thing
He can just learn how to use it more
Bro needs more than observation haki that’s not gonna defeat the knights
why can't green get two greens
Why does he have to defeat the knights
He doesn't need to
im a clover M.Y. kuh truther
He clearly isn't expected to be on that level either
Hajrudin will get acoc and a mythical zoan and his own mythical zoan weapon all in 10 chapters
Also he'll grow 100 feet
Average Ussop fan prediction
Maybe his eyes mutate too
okay new roygbiv = royygbp
red orange yellow yeleen glue blue purple
usopp's only powerup being observation is so boring
You're forgetting he'll be recognized by Imu as a god
surely we can do something more interesting than future sight
the deeper underwater you go the less colors there are
Reality: he can punch 20k tons now
He can develop a new power
He can get better ammunition
lots of blue. the superior color.
He can design a new weapon
true perhaps one based off a hammer
did you know
Found the crip gang member
this is relevant
Yeah I guess
Ussop getting proficiency in Observation Haki makes the most sense right now though
this looks like a reverse blackbody plot
Even if it's boring it's not like he'll just become Joyboy level to adhere to what you find boring and pleasing
idk don't know what that is
Bro gonna get future sight just to get low dif by the attack 
whats a blackbody plot
AHHHH NERD CHART AHHHHHHHHH
goatcean
ppl that think this is all he need didn't read Wano
the bends is really scary
its crazy that the deadliest part of scuba diving is going up too fast
and exploding
Sure but I do not think nor want him to use ragnir
Thats too much of a leap for me
im not for it but i do think it could have some fun potential
Tragic typo
niflhrim
leap as in leap frog the game
id rather for any powerup usopp gets here to be one he has to work for but i have no clue how thatd work
it clearly won't be of same level as Loki using it. its like Zeus being used by nami v BM
him just picking up a cool fruit or weapon is eh
Loki having 2 sun tattoos could mean something but I don't know what 
I think he will use it but only temporarily
in leap frog you leap over the titular frog, but in a twist of fate you become the frog to be leaped over. sad
It means hes a supporter of imperial japan
Or it could just be a cool design choice
Yeah it's just unlikely
feburary bit? lmk
Occum's razor or whatever
Yeah maybe
first chekhov's gun and now this
Elbaph is the God War Arc 
Imu
Luffy
Loki
Usopp
is there a third long named bastard whos arming himself
Chekhov's gun vs Occum's razor who wins
actually two syllables isnt that long
Might as well add Road if you're going to add Ussop
gun guy
Would he
Road is a pretender 
Who is occum
yeah because of occam's razor
He's viewed as a god the same way Ussop is
like its bothering me
Unless you're just joking ig that's funny
Franciscan friar William of Ockham
theres the sword of damocles
but thats not as good
There should be a nickname for using the Galileo method
Galileo's telescope
Niflheim & Ice Age both debuted against huge monsters with Luffy being amazed both times in the same panel spot .. i wonder if that was intentional or just a coincidence lmao
probably just to show the power
Could be
okay ngl i chatgpt'd it and the best result was Maslow's hammer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_the_instrument
The law of the instrument, law of the hammer, Maslow's hammer, or golden hammer is a cognitive bias that involves an over-reliance on a familiar tool. Abraham Maslow wrote in 1966, "it is tempting, if the only tool you have is a hammer, to treat everything as if it were a nail."
The concept is attributed both to Maslow and to Abraham Kaplan, alt...
maslow's hammer is good
oh this is where the everything looks like a nail thing comes from
what if the squirrel is a squirrel that ate the maslow's hammer mythical paramecia zoan
oda loves a reaction piece like some self glaze
yeah i've never heard it called maslow's hammer though
Would be funny if someone said Loki has better ice powers than Kuzan and someone sends them this
if we ever see something cool in one piece the first thing we should be asking is what are luffy's thoughts on it
it's also a two syllable name which is great
l*ffy's opinions don't matter and he should die TBH
that someone would be u
This chapter proves that Loki is Joyboy tier
This is why aces fruit sucks dude
theres way too many people with razors
We see people do incredible shit with fire all the time that even ace cant
But then we see kuzans fruit
I guess that one clash with Blackbeard
And nobody can get close
hitchen's razor, alder's razor, occams' razor, grice's razor
Id rather have fire than ice
Also Dragr's have flames on their back and Loki extinguished it when he froze the Draugr
Id rather burn my enemies to deathx if i freeze them , they might be able to thaw out
Y'all think Draugr solos Marineford Luffy
One of those things got one shot by Saul
They’re fodder
Well that's not fully true
calling the 300 foot beast fodder is a little silly
I don't think they're all the same though
occam's gun
HUMES FORK IS ANOTHER ONE
Literally all of them got one shot
A Morton's fork is a type of false dilemma in which contradictory observations lead to the same conclusion. Its name dates back to the rationalising of a benevolence by the 15th century English prelate John Morton.
The earliest known use of the term dates from the mid-19th century and the only known earlier mention is a claim by Francis Bacon of...
wait we found two different forks
Theyre only as strong as the kids can imagine them to be
Killingham just can keep bringing them back
So yeah, they would pretty much be fodder
lmao that would be hilarious .. granted only thing the SH have seen Kuzan do is freeze robin & luffy & a portion (continent ) of the sea
The kids dont have a good representation of their strength
they gonna see more of Loki bag than Kuzan
They can trash on the fodder giant warriors though
morton works better cause his name is two syllabbles
Saul needed CoA to do that though so idk if Marineford Luffy could handle that
This chapter proves that Loki is Joyboy tier
there’s also russel’s teapot but that’s not a weapon
i love phrases and sayings and coined terms
Insane power ngl he's my favorite admiral
Kuzan still has better freezing scale, by a lot really.
he is the ice guy after all
it’d be bizarre for the squirrel to beat the ice guy in freezing
yeah i don’t expect Loki freezing/ice to be better than Kuzan , but the fact that freezing is just ONE of Ragnir abilities is what’s terrifying
Bro froze the whole ocean in between islands 😭
Ragnir’s freezing is still pretty lit
@hazy turret ey gang I’m sorry for everything I’ve been saying behind your back. I drank two Monsters and let em make a third one
The Draugr had a flame on his back and Loki extinguished it. Loki might be able to extinguish Lunarian flames the same way
Fire is supposed to resist ice tho
mpreg loki theory
Yeah I'm saying this could mean Loki can extinguish Lunarian flames
I read that as pregnant
😭 what else would it be
Yeah but Loki turned off the Draugr's flame so
I'm not saying permanently turn it off
The fire obviously melts ice when given time
wait no, pergant is a secret ancient giant that was friends with joyboy or something
real
pergant upscale
But it could be a counter to Lunarian invulnerability
This would explain how the Lunarians all got killed
are you pergant because you're the strongest or are you the strongest becaue you're pergant
Maybe someone extinguished them all
Wtf does pergant mean
Man I can’t wait for the cutaways I need to see what’s going on in the world
lmao nothing i misspelled pregnant you were right from the jump
soccer tease gets it
it is funny
I doubt it’ll be like Wano
Wano was the only arc like that iirc
wonder when Oda is gonna reveal what’s going on in Mariejois
elbaf ends -> vira begins
Because of how they portrayed the whole arc being closed off from the rest of the world
what was dressrosa and whole cake’s cutaways
Worst humor type I've seen in a human being ngl
Think dressrosa had a bit with team zou
Japan’s isolationism
But it wasnt long
Before it was forced to modernize
So it could avoid china’s fate of being humiliated by british/other european countries invading
after this chapter , I can’t see how anybody can see these panels and think this man is gonna become Luffy subordinate and join the crew instead for leading the giants on their own crew
he already led elbaf soldiers out to sea for years
Jinbei cutaway in wci iirc
Or was that a flashback
I can’t remember
The part with him and the sun pirates otw to wci
a flashback i assume
It never existed
when i think of a cutaway i think of like 2-3+ chaps
There’s either gonna be cutaways or more people will come to Elbaph
I lowkey prefer the ladder
Imagine random people just popping up as they’re fighting
I still can’t believe you made a Don marlone sticker
i think thats what id hate the most lol
I think he works better alone which is why he'd do best as a lone ally to Luffy since NGWP is more Hajrudin's thing
i really dont want another egghead
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This chapter proves that Loki is Joyboy tier
Is it just me or did Imu kinda look like a Psyduck in this chapter?
@dense rapids
The egghead chapter that ended with the BB flag was so hype
you already said that meek
i need it to happen
Screenshot
“Wano Act 4”
"hello"
i thought you had a saul one
i used to think that until this chapter .. I originally thought he went out to sea alone so he works better alone but now this chapter confirmed he went out to sea leading a crew of elbaf soldiers .. i think he’ll continue to lead elbaf in that way (plus Harald wanted that too )
It looks like a Psyduck silhouette
I’m not seeing it
its two right
i forever live with the regret of letting "perona cut zoro's eye" besmirch and diminish this board
I don't really think this chapter changes anything. Just him having that type of dynamic with the NGWP doesn't mean much. Road having an early-Sanji type effect on Nami doesn't mean he's going to join the crew. And Loki can just be a pirate and support Elbaph by making it his territory
I think Loki will just retrieve the Galleila and that will be his crew
I think he'll be fit to lead the Galle La soldiers
I think he fact that he led Elbf soldiers out at sea for years , means he’ll continue to do that with Elbaf Giants so he won’t just be going solo since he never went solo in the first place .. only time he was alone was while he was locked up but even then he still had those weird humans who kept him company
Great War Hammer Band led by the man with the Great War hammer
especially if Hajrudin dream comes true this arc and he becomes King of Elbaf …
Garp , Rocks , Harald descendants will all be their own captains imo .. Roger son could’ve been included too but he was a idiot
The people he took with him are basically his servants. The same people we saw with Harald at the start of the flashback. It's not like he wanted them on his crew specifically it's just because they are the most convenient and loyal at hand
yeah i never said the reason why he took them , my point is that he did take them and led them so he has the experience .. and I think Oda will continue having Loki lead in that way since Harald dream was for both his sons to lead Elbaf & we know Hajrudin is gonna eventually be King
i don’t see Loki being a Mihawk 2.0 where he just roams the seas alone
Yeah he took them and led them because they are the most convenient and loyal at hand as servants to him. If anything Loki can just lead the Gallela giants
Top 3 crew in OP
Exactly
nor do i see him wanting to stay in elbaf and just chill .. so its only one other option
His dream was for both of his sons to support Elbaph
well 2 .. either join Luffy or Lead your own crew
Loki leading the Galleila seems like the whole point of the flashback
The giants of Elbaf were artificially created 900 years ago in an attempt to build an army strong enough to oppose the 20 founding Kings.
Vegapunks clone tech is based on what the ancient kingdom did back then, just not that advanced. That's why we have a fruit that can change the size of the user. It was the dream of the people back in time to be able to be big and strong to fight the enemy, so the fruit came to life.
Yeah he can just lead the Gallela Giants
yeah that’s literally my point bruh lmao thats why i said Hajrudin will lead by being King and loki will lead them out at sea
I don't see why Rocks would mention that unreasonably
Hajrudin can lead by being King of Elbaph and Loki can recruit the Galleila giants for his own crew
I think this was the previous Galleila leader
You see how they’re all standing around his body
He’s the only one lying down
yeah it’s possible Galle La Giants can join him too if he can free them but going based off what we know now , him leading Elbaf giants who are already there seem more likely than him only leading. the galle la giants .. he can do both
galle la giants will join elbaf giants anyway since they from elbaf too
I mean ofc they’ll join Elbaph
sucks that we’ll probably never see yonko loki though if he does lead a crew cause i think this is the last set of yonkos in the story with buggy luffy teach shanks
Pirate King Era
don’t make no sense at all to have a Pirate KING while also having four EMPERORS 😂
gotta be one or the other cause it don’t make sense together
He has no real connection with other Elbaph giants though
Other than Hajrudin being his brother
What happened to the giants that went with Loki
Would be fitting for him to lead the Galleila giants as the story has been leading up to
Did he eat them
realistically this is probably gonna be the last and final batch of official emperors cause the WG going down soon anyway
they the ones who appoint all that stuff to the public
Not even probably
plus it makes sense for the last set of yonkos to be these 4 we got now
First the warlord system was abolished next is the Yonko with the induction of the new pirate king
His goal isn't really oriented around fitting that mold anyways though so it's fine
damn that makes sense
didn’t even think about it lol that , i just know luffy buggy teach shanks as the last yonkos feels to make the most sense with how the story started and stuff
Morj is something else bruh
Surely the HK opponents will be random pirates who don’t care about them and not the Revolutionary Army that first told us about them and exist to dismantle their entire society
Actually I can’t even blame Morj
Lot of the fandom too
Rev Army beating them doesn’t support their agenda .. remember the HKs used to be the most glazed before God Valley .: in their minds if their the Revs final opponents , that’s the final nail in the coffin for their HKs are admiral/yonko/top tiers level agenda lol
Any guesses on who knocked the Draugr from the sun realm?
Bro idec, that lineup of characters goes so fuckin hard
Trying to remember who all was free
Obviously he’s wrong but that would go so hard
Ripley, Franky, some random giants, Saul
Jarul Zoro Sanji
Oh wait they are here
Jarul then
Huh
Zoro and Sanji were in the underworld
Was gonna say
Yeah I know
Oh yea forgot about Jarul
Yamato and Katakuri doing a Sovereignty attack on a HK and killing them is infinitely cooler than a rev vs HK fight
Was probably him since that’s who Imu was attacking
It probably just slipped off the edge like a fucking idiot
Crazy thing is Revos are too tiers too
So I support Morji just this once
I guess you could say it was a numbskull
Thank you
I think half the holy knights won’t even be defeated in the final war and will more so just wither away once Imu is defeated
Yo this is fire
Morley was dancing with an admiral an arc ago
We all know who’s gonna demand the most screentime regardless. I think half the holy knights will just be dealt with a variety of the background cast characters like certain rev characters or good marines etc…
Wasn’t the lightning one the first one?
That wasn't named
The HKs will be killed off by Burgress
Wasn’t it?
Lmfaoo
Nope
by this naming scheme the lightning attack would probably be named 'Asgard'
I don’t think the attack was named
I'm aware
We just learned the name Ragnir
Still no
Asgard will probably be a fire attack
Ragnir can just bring any sort of calamity probably. Especially since both the lightning attack and ice attack seem purely from Ragnir
And not his fruit
I think Ragnir is an elemental hammer
Muspelheim would
Loki is so fucking insane lol
Yeah it’s made clear the Revo commanders can fight Admirals
Ragnir will also have fire and wind attacks for sure.
Shamrocks sword is awakened , I fully expect Loki or the hammer to awaken , and also shamrock himself to be awakened c
the avatar 🐿️
speaking of, i wonder what other power Shamrock has outside of Cerberus
For sure yea
Whatever his personal fruit will be I’m sure will have the cool factor up
i hope that it's a paramecia that could go along nicely with Cerberus
something as versatile as Gunkos arrow or the thorn fruit
I might be crucified for this but I can see Loki currently being stronger than Luffy. At minimum they’re the same strength rn imo
I think hes been stronger than Luffy
His strength, especially with Ragnir and the fruit is almost mythical
Loki canonically can best things Luffy can’t
He’s stronger
Loki is cracked by all means but i still think it's too soon to say
Loki absolutely has feats that Luffy doesn't have yet iirc.
Ok good at least that isn’t too controversial then lol
If oda reveals what loki’s DF is, he might be stronker than luffy
Even Luffy is incredibly mystified by Loki's attack. And mind you it was a simple Ragnir attack
Luffy only needs to figure out how to defeat the regeneration, after that he is pretty much up there
He’s definitely already stronger
Imagine once he starts going all out
I just think this chapter especially cements that if Loki wasn’t there, the entire world was in danger. And even Imu simply doesn’t understand how Harald was possibly stopped
Loki is insane
Not really Loki seems a lot stronger
I agree
Yeah Loki basically proved that hes leagues above Luffy atp
guys im new to one piece why is loki fighting brook
i feel like there might be some recency bias, but i understand it
Him killing Harald basically seals the deal
Yeah but at the very minimum Loki is about equal to Luffy
People were saying just before this how luffy isn’t pk level yet
Loki could definitely be leagues stronger than Luffy though
He definitely had room to grow
Luffy wouldn't had been able to kill Harald if he was placed in that situation.
True
I’m not gonna say he’s a lot stronger than someone who’s a definitive emperor lol. But he’s clearly on that level of power. Like no one’s strength has been hyped up as this otherworldly since Kaido and BM
shanks upscale
Bro I’m starting to think Shanks didn’t actually beat Loki and moreso convinced him to return to Elbaf lol
Luffy being super excited over a Ragnir attack sealed the deal for me. Granted, it was against a Killingham dream goblin but still.
Fuck am I turning into Socrates? 😭
Well the title doesn't really mean strength alone. But Loki is possibly stronger than Luffy right now
If you think a ragnir attack was this tough, imagine once he actually starts getting serious
Shanks or somebody better talk about shanks vs Loki real soon, this also proves Luffy isn’t as strong as shanks yet
socrates brainrot is spreading
Luffy has levels to go still
Wouldn’t be the first time. It’s not like Shanks defeated Kaido either
Ragnir did all the work tho
I've been saying it you're just beginning to realize the truth
We can’t overestimate luffy
proof?
Luffy got this
i don't see how that correlates with this, but yeah he isn't a pirate king yet
They’re one and the same 🤷♀️
Nah bruh lmao
Just to mean that being emperor or doesn’t mean you reached a peak of power , just another tier of, because Roger could beat any current yonko
Bro this is the same shit as “Enma carried Zoro”
Loki past Ragnir's little test
Come on
Ragnir’s power*
People try to argue that it isn't strength based but it pretty much is
It’s his hammer
It's almost like that's his weapon
Lmao
You hate to see Loki strong don't you
So that is a testament to his strength

That’s alive with its own power
I’m not even some crazy Loki fan yet as a character. I do like him. But you’re being disingenuous if you can’t acknowledge that his strength is being hyped up as legendary
i agree with that, i never stated anything else
i just think that recency bias is very much a thing but by all means he could be stronger than Luffy
Which he controls
Im not super big on Loki (yet) either but this chapter basically sold his strength.
Ragnir alone can't beat Harald if thats what you're trying to say
You’re grasping at straws to think that Ragnir is a completely separate entity from Loki’s overall powerset
ACoC is clearly a factor
It’s been stated that Loki could only do it with his own fruit as well , so a combo of both the hammer and his own fruit was needed
Ragnir doesn't have Haki
You’re also dismissing his acoc
Its very hard to deny why Loki being a Yonko considered character at some point wasnt just a meme
Ragnir is a tool for Loki to use to kill Harald
He is a Yonko.
I wonder what the word for a tool to kill someone is
Oh that's right
It's a weapon
Who would've thought
Show me Loki using the fruit on the killing blow
🥹
So when slaves picked the cotton, the master gets credit?
You’d be insane to think Harald wasn’t weakened before that blow , when the whole point is the level of power slows down their healing and shit
I’m trying to think about which agenda is hurt by acknowledging Loki’s strength and why some people would feel obligated to denounce it
😭
He looked as strapping and sexy as ever to me
Not appropriate man, chill
Sounds like a whole lotta Loki didnr use the fruit to kill Harald
I mean it’s just clear to me , Loki did something Luffy can’t come close to yet
Shuron I love you man but what the hell LMAO
Good Lord
There’s no argument loki is stronger
😭😭
Am I wrong
Nika D Christ
to be fair, we'll probably see Luffy do the same thing very shortly
You’re wrong to use such an insane analogy yea
Please don’t
As long as he got Ragnir to put in work for him
Bro its such a batshit comparison though man
WE FINALLY OUT OF FLASHBACK PRISON
That might be warnable but idk
Anyways
The method may be completely different , such as if luffy “flips “ pieces
This is the plot of 1984
We got to kneel to Socrates
Without killing
😭
Shuron... 😭
Bro please chill
Why are we acting like Ragnir 1v1ed Harald
THE ENTIRE 1ST PART OF THE FIGHT WAS LOKI NOT USING THE HAMMER 😭
i mean yeah, though Luffy is known to beat people up until they're not in his way
Ts is hilarious tho
Ragnir lightning and acoc from Loki hit as the same time , it’s never just Ragnir alone


