also-manga

[hot cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/wheezy-toy-story-2-giftok-unthinkable-shame-gif-57922241411763117

[thick mango]

one would hope. But youll find people saying well big mom's elbaf connection is unresolved, she needs to come back to give us final answers on all that shit or whatever

[hot cairn]

what if you lie

[fallen meteor]

imagine its the last chapter and NeoKoya @s you about this

[royal orchid]

!rmd 59months one piece ends finally

[hot cairn]

ah you're a year older than me

[fallen meteor]

!rmd 67months one piece ends in a funny way

[royal orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/crowd-cheering-crowd-hype-cheer-cheer-meme-gif-22195506

[hazy turret]

I’m your elder and you will respect me

[digital spear]

!rmd list

[fallen meteor]

just one month left of YC

🙁

[stray prism]

rip

[digital spear]

[royal orchid]

1 month to one piece x fortnite...

[hot cairn]

I disagree completely and really, the BM ship is gone. Elbaph doesnt have the time or the space to fit her in rn

[fallen meteor]

after the reminder name yourself to Ghost YC and change your role to something gray
maybe add skeletons

[hot cairn]

nu uh, one year older is nothing!

[sturdy steeple]

Then you just gotta believe it 🤫

[royal orchid]

that's so crazy to me bleach and Naruto have Fortnite skins but not Monkey D Luffy?

[thick mango]

see you're with me there. Thats the feeling i have. I just have it more often than you. The story doesnt have the time or space to fit in XYZ.

[ashen perch]

Wano Raid is an example of Oda including too many elements in an arc, resulting in many elements not being given the proper time to shine. What it needed was a thorough chopping down of these elements, that is where the "more" story argument is legitimate

[digital spear]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-mad-skeleton-gif-10886506202898815019

[hot cairn]

Arisu will escape the mute it seems

[thick mango]

I dont think if each element had been given more time and the raid was like 200 chapters it would have been better, no

it would have been much worse

[ashen perch]

I didnt say that

[hot cairn]

but what is XYZ in this context tho? How will more Dragon focus or any other final saga character will be bad?

[royal orchid]

let's hope it ends at least next chapter and not oda stretching it out to tease shanks vs loki

[brittle basin]

At this point, most stuff is necessary. Oda has kind of made it necessary. The best you can do is find ways to further trim the fat. i.e. do you need to see so much of the Oden and Rocks flashbacks? Is there a way to stop Oda from continuing to add more details to the story such as Shanks forcibly removing the tattoo and just the Imu tattoos altogether. Every little bit probably cuts down on panel time and overall chapter count, but also limits worldbuildng and lore as a consequences. These are not my opinions, I'm just using these recent events as examples.

[thick mango]

im talking about stuff like reviving big mom/kaido, shiki apearing with his 20 year plan, etc. Stuff that is dormant and not present now but if it were to rejoin/join the story, it would lead to this overcrowding and too much story that i think is bad

[ashen perch]

I said that it needed to chop down multiple elements from the arc, and then it needed to give that time and proper focus to the remainder that was left. Oda's problem there was trying to do too much at the same time.

[hot cairn]

I hope it ends next chapter

[sturdy steeple]

One thing that would genuinely make Wano better is if Oda removed some of the scabbards.

[brittle basin]

A recent example of how Oda can save time is avoiding showing how York was captured. I'm not saying this is necessarily a good thing, just that if he applied this logic throughout the story, there would be chapter count reductions.

[royal orchid]

like kinemon

[digital spear]

I hope it will exactly do that and end in 1172

[ashen perch]

If Oda's not commited to showing Loki's adventures properly yet then he shouldnt even bother anyways, no montages or anything, just move on immediately

[sturdy steeple]

I don't mean death but having 9 of them in the same arc doesn't really help it.

[digital spear]

Another break week before the flashback ends

[hot cairn]

I agree with you, this is why I'm confused by what QBZ deems "unnecessary" cause the things being shown right now are necessary so far.

[fallen meteor]

the scabbards to me were Oda learning he cant make this many cool sword users with different techniques

[muted hedge]

completely agree, i think we should end it at Loki leaving Elbaph

[brittle basin]

are spoilers out already?

[digital spear]

This coming from a mod

[tranquil blade]

I mean it could've worked with like 5 instead of 9 or something, though I would be very sad to see (some of) them go

[thick mango]

again my criticism isnt whats happening right now specifically. Exept maybe the flashback could been cut down a bit

[digital spear]

No, but we know next week will be a break ...

[brittle basin]

It's just the way Oda writes, he wants to expand and go big and there's nothing that can be done about it in retrospect except for Oda to be a different kind of author. Granted, early East Blue is proof that he can blaze through stories, though those stories were smaller and self-contained.

[hot cairn]

ah well, I agree with you on those points specifically but I still think OP will still be around for a while. We're in the final saga and he's still building up to a massive climax. Every arc from egghead onwards will be aboslutely necessary to land a good ending. It being rushed would really ruin the 25+ years Oda dedicated to the story imo

[brittle basin]

https://tenor.com/view/wanna-kill-myself-the-office-michael-scott-steve-carell-frustrated-gif-13414030

[thick mango]

Im not alone in wanting the flashback to end and wanting to return to the present. If you look around youll find other people saying that. So what went wrong here? The flashback had too much stuff jammed into it. It chose to cover too much.

[brittle basin]

yeah i'm ready for the flashback to end

i don't personally need to see Shanks vs Loki

[fallen meteor]

i want at least shanks vs loki to happen

so the chats can be freed of that stupid ass argument

[digital spear]

I need to see Road disguising as Loki to marry Lola

[brittle basin]

goddammit

[tranquil blade]

The problem is that for a while there the scale of the arcs just kept getting bigger but it felt like Oda hadnt realized that he might have to do some things different with an arc as grand as Wano, otherwise we get the result of a 140 chapter arc

[brittle basin]

i don't need Lola and Loki either

[ashen perch]

Yeah this is an example of a bad decision. The way I see it, Oda either should commit or he should not even bother with these things. He either should not have spent that sort of time building that whole plotline if he wasnt able to commit to paying it off or he should have taken his time with it. Simply erasing it entirely from existence is better than him half assing it.

[brittle basin]

I can skip stuff like that if the narrative does not hinge on it

[brittle basin]

i wonder if it was a last minute decision by him or his editor to avoid it 'cause it's not like Oda to skip that stuff

[fallen meteor]

oda needs to show exactly what happened on loki vs shanks or else we will be haunted forever

[digital spear]

Meeks buddying up to Arsal to get into staff as a ... you guessed it ... helper

[tranquil blade]

Please Oda show Shanks beating Loki's ass

please speed i need this

[brittle basin]

Avery just needs Socrates to suffer

[hot cairn]

it's probably just going to be one chapter of it

[digital spear]

Praying to Speed that Shanks jumped Loki with his whole crew and used poison on him

[ashen perch]

??? you couldnt be more off lol, most people who are disappointed feel that way because they think the flashback should have had more stuff lol

[tranquil blade]

Well yes and I want a certain powerscaler to be wrong

[hot cairn]

I agree 100% it really shouldnt have to be 9 scabbards

[digital spear]

Another one than Socrates?

[brittle basin]

this does give me a good chuckle

[tranquil blade]

Yes, except the other guy is a much older user and not nearly as much of an agenda person

[royal orchid]

I would rather be muted for a year than become a mod in this server

[hot cairn]

okok I see

[thick mango]

i dont think thats true. They want to return to the present cause they want to see more things in the past?

[ashen perch]

I think its a last minute decision yeah

[hot cairn]

yeah those stories are not comparable to how big OP is now

[thick mango]

yeah the egghead skip is a great example, i thnk that was a great decision

[hot cairn]

I think the current pace Oda has is great and necessary

[thick mango]

i really didnt need to see people dodging beams and punching york or whatever, that does nothing for me

[brittle basin]

If Oda ended the flashback right now, as if we just went to the present and it's Loki finishing the last sentence of the flashback, I'd be fine with that.

[digital spear]

Its noz that bad, the payment is pretty good, you only have to pay Fats 500 dollar per month (for the first year)

[tranquil blade]

I did find the seraphim fights lame but skipping how york was even beaten might be even more lame

[digital spear]

Me asf

[tranquil blade]

and Robin being injured for

reasons

[inner agate]

unpaid voluntary workers judging other unpaid voluntary workers

[ashen perch]

They want to return to the present because they lost interest in the flashback after it didnt show enough. Did you forget every single complaint about God Valley?

[solid mantle]

I want a half and half

[fallen meteor]

egghead's skip was the worst part of egghead

[brittle basin]

https://tenor.com/view/coffee-coffee-creamer-creamer-coffeemate-coffee-pour-gif-14029879

[ashen perch]

Egghead skip is bad writing 101, cannot even understand defending it

[brittle basin]

I don't fully remember how I felt about the skip. I think in the moment I thought "huh, that's weird."

[thick mango]

This does not accurately descibe my feelings. And I cant really say re other people except via ancedotes which are surely biased in favor of remembering agreement with my own views, as are yours im sure

[solid mantle]

nothing beats this shit tho

[tranquil blade]

Them winning is fine but like how

[iron oriole]

the worst part was the whodunnit

[royal orchid]

half almond milk half coconut milk

[trim lily]

hate on the egghead skip discussion

[fallen meteor]

@trim lily dude are you listening to this

[rose rune]

damn, he should be fired

[tranquil blade]

We should have 1 traitor per arc

[trim lily]

this is impossible

[fallen meteor]

why is NL reading #also-manga

[trim lily]

genuinely how did it pop up at the same time

[royal orchid]

could you theoretically skip wano and just watch the gear 5 scene

[trim lily]

yeah why not

[distant vine]

Oh Egghead skip? Yeah thats terrible

[fallen meteor]

like he did this twice now

[distant vine]

[brittle basin]

Colet sounds like Colon.

[trim lily]

colon is the traitor of elbaf

[distant vine]

According to some here if its boring yeah

[digital spear]

"Robin you got injured so bad you have to rest Robin!"

[thick mango]

Thinking about the egghead day skip I would actually say im happy with the current pacing. I want more egghead day skips basically where we lose nothing but meaningless fluff like fights

[ashen perch]

I didnt say that was your experience, I said most, because most complaints about the flashback came down to "wah wah, why didnt Oda show this or that" lol, again, GV being the biggest example

[distant vine]

I wish I knew that for Skypiea....

[brittle basin]

However, real men - i.e. your's truly - drink black coffee straight from the machine.

[distant vine]

[trim lily]

remember when oda miscoloured her hair so people endlessly debated if it was robin or stussy

[distant vine]

https://tenor.com/view/phoenix-wright-ace-attorney-godot-prosecutor-courtroom-gif-17001133

[royal orchid]

dare I say

[brittle basin]

people wanted fights at God Valley, most other stuff was accounted for

[distant vine]

"Fluff like fights"

This is a battle shonen????????

[hot cairn]

I didnt mind personally but that may be because I didnt care for that plotline and it made the crew look awesome

[vital heart]

Aloha!

[ashen perch]

The One Piece you write would send atleast 5 million Pre Ts readers to their instant deaths

[royal orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/sticker-yung-joc-crying-meme-man-crying-meme-thebeyonderrrr-gif-828328460466032722

[trim lily]

egghead feels like oda got sick of writing a murder mystery half way through

[tranquil blade]

Bro did a Togashi

[solid mantle]

Jesus, it's sounds more like correspondence and let

[royal orchid]

he realized every character would pile on Lilith

[tranquil blade]

Just was like "eh that's kinda lame" and ended it there

[ashen perch]

tbf I think if a pre ts reader was told how Egghead was paced, they'd die anyways

but yours specifically

instant death

[distant vine]

Skipping fights impacts characters btw

[hot cairn]

would you want an egghead skip with what's going on in elbaph rn?

[tranquil blade]

Isnt everyone a pre ts reader because they had to read it to get to post ts

[trim lily]

skip to luffy standing over imu once we return from the flashback

goda

[distant vine]

Wouldnt the crew caring for Robin be so much more impactful if we saw Robin get injured to begin with?

[royal orchid]

some people are pre ts watchers

[ashen perch]

no the idea is that they are from the past and they have no clue how the story will be paced in the future smh

[royal orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/drake-notebook-gif-20708336

[tranquil blade]

Oh you mean people who were reading chapters before pre ts ended

[ashen perch]

they'd die from the shock

yeah

[tranquil blade]

Yeah they'd die from half the shit that happens post ts

Tell them Luffy has a zoan and see what happens

[brittle basin]

correspond deez

[ashen perch]

well we're not even getting into all that

[ashen perch]

here I am, sitting down with a pre ts reader

[tranquil blade]

but yes the pacing has certainly changed

It feels like the fights have gotten more dragged out and everything else has gotten much faster

[solid mantle]

@brittle basin lol I still dk what to do with that sticker yet

[distant vine]

"Yeah Robin's bandaged chest to toe, she's never taken this much damage before.

...umm about that, we actually dont know how she got damaged per se"

[hot cairn]

fights are dragged out?

[distant vine]

Yeah they would just explode

[ashen perch]

the fights arent even like 40% of how long they used to go though, even the big ones

[hot cairn]

yeah

[tranquil blade]

Well I guess not in page count but like

[distant vine]

Fights definetly dont drag

[brittle basin]

what is it from?

[ashen perch]

I was skimming through Alabasta the other day and it actually kind of reallllllllllly shook me

[vital heart]

Yo guys

I really like Alabasta

[brittle basin]

it's Fuji?

[vital heart]

Just sayin

[ashen perch]

when fights would span multiple chapters

[tranquil blade]

Idk the Kaido fight went on for a long ass time, but I guess that was like 5 different fights in one

[brittle basin]

it took me a minute to realize it's Fujitora

[hot cairn]

that's the main fight tho

[solid mantle]

I made it as a "I should've blinded myself" as a reaction to seeing something

[ashen perch]

like chopper and usopp's fight goes like 3 chapters and I couldnt believe that that was happening

[hot cairn]

the other fights were like one chapter long

[distant vine]

Luffy gets long fights cause he likes to waste the reader's time

[ashen perch]

Kaido fight is long but onscreen it goes maybe like 16-17 chapters

[distant vine]

But other than him fights are very quick

[ashen perch]

or less

[tranquil blade]

Was it intentional this time

[ashen perch]

yea

[hot cairn]

but yeah if what QBZ is saying is that we dont have the luxury to have BM, Kaido and Shiki to return I agree

[ashen perch]

ofc it technically starts from ch 1000 but there is a million things going in between

[tranquil blade]

...

[hot cairn]

the egghead skip is a mixed bag for me but I dont mind

[distant vine]

Its just bad to me

[tranquil blade]

Hold on what's this about Shiki

[brittle basin]

NOTHING

Shiki doesn't matter

[ashen perch]

qbz's one piece might not even have the luxury to have Luffy v Imu honestly

[hot cairn]

I asked him what exactly was "unecessary" during the final saga and he comented those 3 returning

[distant vine]

There's not really any positive argument Ive seen people make for it outside of a subjective "Erm I'm bored".

[solid mantle]

yo @digital spear #also-manga message
any thoughts?

[distant vine]

And like writers can realize something isnt working and try to move past it

What Oda did? Nah

[brittle basin]

his idea would be more like probably skipping things like LRLL and moving the Aokiji intro elsewhere
I just dont' remember how absolutely necessary LRLL was ouside worldbuilding

[ashen perch]

I just dont get the point

it was fun

fun things are fun

[digital spear]

lol I keep seeing it its pretty funny

[brittle basin]

maybe to avoid anything not immediately plot relative?

[distant vine]

Introducing Davy Back Fights will be very important. And there were also some character moments that would be cut

[tranquil blade]

LRLL was necessary but idk how to explain why

[hot cairn]

I doubt that tho, that's kinda crazy

[distant vine]

Zoro, Sanji, Chopper

[ashen perch]

yeah I just think thats a ridiculous way to look at stories

[brittle basin]

That was introduced on LRLL? i'm forgetting, is that where Foxy happened?

[hot cairn]

I think he wants the final war to happen right after elbaph

[thick mango]

I had to go do stuff and lost track of this so sorry if you replied me and i ignored you

[hot cairn]

which I really doubt

[tranquil blade]

Well a chunk of people think Dragon will solo Imu

[distant vine]

Yeah thats kind of like, the whole setup

[tranquil blade]

Though that is the minority of fans

[brittle basin]

actually, speaking of which. QBZ might prefer Foxy to be skipped and just have the Davy Back Fight as quick lore

[tranquil blade]

and some think Luffy wont fight Imu even this arc

[brittle basin]

but does it take place literally on LRLL is what i'm asking?

[tranquil blade]

but thats an even smaller group

[distant vine]

Yes

[thick mango]

the snowball should start rolling similar to leaving amazon lilly yes

[hot cairn]

shuron and who else

[tranquil blade]

Uhhhhhhh

People

[ashen perch]

oh this is a decent reference for this

avery I am sorry

[hot cairn]

so like OP ends in two arcs? I heavily disagree with that

[brittle basin]

ok then my memory is just fuzzy. been forever. so yeah, in QBZ Piece, you might skip things like LRLL + Foxy and find more efficient ways to fill the lore gap and character intro likes Aokiji.

[tranquil blade]

NOOOOOOOOOOOO

The fight is RUINED

[prisma idol]

Thats an old list

[ashen perch]

its post onigashima

[thick mango]

more like 3

[hot cairn]

wilding, they're having a convo at least

[prisma idol]

Post onigahsima was like 4 years ago

[ashen perch]

better than BB atleast

[rose rune]

yeah, we need the marriage arc at the end

[brittle basin]

how do you feel about this thought process. i'm not trying to speak for you, rather figure out your way of processing the story effectively.

[ashen perch]

oh I thought you meant outdated smh

[distant vine]

Even this is better than what Oda did, cause this is working with hindsight instead of stopping the story thats already being told

[prisma idol]

No no lmfao

[distant vine]

Fantasizing about Director's Cuts is fine to me

[hearty shore]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-brooks-hatlen-the-shawshank-redemption-is-that-so-disappointed-gif-23667336

[hot cairn]

I think QBZ would be fine with BB killing Imu and Luffy vs Imu doesnt happen

[thick mango]

no I actually like LRLL I think its important. and its only like 20 chapters.

[distant vine]

My personal opinion is Im ok with BB killing Imu but ofc Luffy needs to fight him

[thick mango]

yes assuming luffy fights the BB who ate imu after

[ashen perch]

in QBZ's One Piece, that horrific idea that I saw the other day comes true

[hot cairn]

the snowball started but this time it'll take a little longer than the marineford saga

[brittle basin]

ah then I'm not in your line of thinking at all

[hot cairn]

yeah I'm not a fan of that

[distant vine]

I like the York stuff but even I wasnt that interested in the murder mystery plot. I wonder what I would have done

[hot cairn]

I want to see both Luffy vs Imu and Luffy vs BB

[digital spear]

Luffy vs Imu has to happen yeah

[ashen perch]

the uh "BB is in Marie Geoise fighting Imu right now and Luffy will fight Imu in Elbaf at the same time as him, with it resulting in Imu's loss this arc", idk if I have posted it before

[thick mango]

Im a little hesitatnt to say go ahead and skip the elbaf combat cause it has a mystery embedded into it of how can we possibly stand against revesei that the combined efforts of the last generation couldnt fight.
Vs york its not like she has any special mysterious capabilities that will be important for the future

[distant vine]

Would you tolerate Luffy vs BB vs Imu?

[prisma idol]

This coming week chapter 812 turns 10 years old. Its a zou chapter

[distant vine]

Yeah but it wasnt just about York

[solid mantle]

Luffy and BB vs Imu, then BB takes Imu's fruit then final battle RAAAAAAAAAH

[distant vine]

Its about understanding what happened

[digital spear]

Wano started 7.5 years ago...

[distant vine]

And not having a gash in the story when clearly important things went down that night

[brittle basin]

trying to think of other things that could theoretically be cut without too much loss. Can you skip Sanji's nosebleed in FMI? Is the Yeti Cool brothers necessary? How long was the Birdcage?

[hot cairn]

nah that's pure trash dawg

[thick mango]

god i wish they skipped sanji fmi nosebleeds

[fallen meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/so-old-gif-27277116

[distant vine]

If everyone went uninjured except York I probably wouldnt mind the skip at all

[hot cairn]

fair enough

[digital spear]

Theres a lot of Gladiators in dressrosa you can cut

[fallen meteor]

i need staff to judge a gif for me

[prisma idol]

That sounds absolutely ass

[distant vine]

I just hate having stuff happen that we dont see

[brittle basin]

There was some random spider that was an obstacle on Thriller Bark. Can you skip small things like that?

[ashen perch]

York was a fascinating character to me, the living embodiment of Vegapunk's greed after Oda beautifully builds up that reveal through it being Stella's biggest flaw, the characteristic that could be his downfall

[distant vine]

Brook showed off his abilities there though...

[brittle basin]

Yeah, fuck Hajrudin amirite?

[fallen meteor]

who is available

[distant vine]

I think thats when Robin showed she could fly as well

[thick mango]

blue gilly

[prisma idol]

Just pick one in chat marin

[brittle basin]

she was the funny fat shitter

[prisma idol]

Lmfao

[hot cairn]

no, and it's really just because it'll be too similar to another series if BB and Luffy fight right after. Also I prefer Luffy fights and defeats both

[fallen meteor]

you stepped fowards

[prisma idol]

Guys Marin is about to hack me

[hot cairn]

that's so boring maaaaaaaaaaaan

[ashen perch]

I think thats mainly what I wanted to have Oda explore further, ofc everytime I say this, the replies are always "kek you wanted more of that boring seraphim fight slop" so I dont know why I even bother

[trim lily]

evil marin

[hot cairn]

I would def cut the yeti cool brothers

from PH

sanji nosebleeds too

[brittle basin]

what can be cut from egghead?

[hot cairn]

Dressrosa could've cut many characters

[brittle basin]

like shorten VP's speech?

[royal orchid]

bluko changes names to Regular Bluko | Loki Cloud Logia

[hot cairn]

except the grandfleet members

[trim lily]

the other gorosei

[fossil nimbus]

luffy teaming with blackbeard is something i can't see icl

[thick mango]

egghead was mostly good, id cut a small amount of speech, message reaction and gorosei fighting. Like pick the weakest 10-15%, cut that out, and egghead is perfect

[royal orchid]

Luffy vs BB vs Imu

[brittle basin]

https://tenor.com/view/raspberry-tongue-out-worm-wiggle-tongue-gif-16382097

[solid mantle]

I'd rather have a 3 way fight tbh, it'd be more interesting

[fallen meteor]

!rmd 12months send the funny true gif

[ashen perch]

and really outside the York stuff, it was still very interesting to me, the question of "how did it happen!?" is still raised to this day because Oda leaves us with no clue on how anything is being resolved from here on and then it just gets resolved mysteriously anyways lol

[royal orchid]

👁️ ❓

[digital spear]

In Egghead we were already at a point where Oda had to be fast but if anything we could cut the Vice Admirals (but there would need to be other vice admirals anyway)

[brittle basin]

what can be cut from wano? can something like udon be removed? I know luffy learned from hyogoro from there.

[thick mango]

they punched the opposition and avoided getting punched too much themselves. Thats what happened in the egghead skip

[solid mantle]

@prisma idol are you okay?

[ashen perch]

I think youre gonna have to reread it, because punching was not seeming like a solution at all

[hot cairn]

how would a 3 way fight work

[tranquil blade]

You can probably offscreen some of the vice admiral stuff

[thick mango]

i just wanted fewer people in the raid so it could progress more quickly

[brittle basin]

Oda had to be fast and yet it is a long arc supposedly right? it's hard to find the right balance I guess. and yet it felt fast paced. strange

[ashen perch]

it just happens, the canonical answer is that things just get resolved in the Egghead skip

[rose rune]

same

[ashen perch]

you dont have to worry about it

[brittle basin]

i'm only speaking about wano, not the raid part. i definitely think the raid could be reduced

[hot cairn]

first thing that I would cut from Wano is the amount of freaking scabards

[solid mantle]

exactly my point, it isn't common in shonnen and that's why if anyone can Oda could make it work

[fallen meteor]

its the sticker i love

[thick mango]

then id cut big mom amnesia. But thats just cause i hate amnesia

sabo amnesia also gets cut in my world

sabo might not exist

[prisma idol]

Marin is extorting me for the sticker

[brittle basin]

i reread WCI recently and it's such a perfect arc, but i'm sure there something that can be put on the chopping block?

[hot cairn]

it'll just end up being Luffy and BB vs Imu which is very boring

[solid mantle]

why would it?

[fallen meteor]

how do you feel about cloud logia

[hot cairn]

wilddd

[thick mango]

Ace's death could have been the perfect opportunity for dragon to give a speech about how the overlal goals of the revolution are more important than taking risky moves to save our personal friends. Instead oda slapped a lazy amensia band-aid on it and didnt have to deal with the contradiction

[ashen perch]

qbz no offense

[brittle basin]

full offense taken

[ashen perch]

but never cook again

[thick mango]

its ok, it seems like oda is leaning more in my direction than yours as we progress lol

i dont have to cook, my preferences are being mostly refleted in the work

[hot cairn]

I think both QBZ and Arsal are two extremes about the same topic

[ashen perch]

he is erasing Sabo from the story as we progress??

wow

[digital spear]

It also had a lot of outside world stuff, I think the ideal length would still be around 70 chs

I think from the earlier arcs you can shorten FMI from 50 to like 40 chs, PH from 40 to 30, Dressrosa from 100 to 80, WCI from 80 to 70 and Wano from 150 to 130 or something ... but it hard to say if that much could be cut

[ashen perch]

did someone post this on piratefolk yet

[prisma idol]

No clue

[hot cairn]

one wants things to go way too fast and the other wants things to go way too slow

[prisma idol]

Would be really funny

[ashen perch]

I dont want to taint my hands by posting it there

someone gotta do it

[fallen meteor]

i was writing everything that was on my mind without filters like usual yesterday and i sent the 'luffy - laffy - laugh-y' message but i'm worried oda might explore this

[thick mango]

I would only want things go to like a tiny bit faster than they currently are. im mostly happy with the current pace. Im just worried oda will feel compelled to bring in 1000 different elements like the wano raid that will slow it to a halt

[hot cairn]

there has to be a compromise

[fallen meteor]

like laughtale was always luffy's tale

or some bs like that

[ashen perch]

where have I ever asked for things to go way too slow

[hot cairn]

you wanted wano to be 200 chapters long

[digital spear]

"He is actually named Davy D. Xebec" this really nails it down why did Oda have to do that ...

[ashen perch]

yes and I have explained why

[hot cairn]

and elbaph 100+ chapters with BM included

[fallen meteor]

Luffy was born laughing so they named him Laughy but everyone misunderstood it as Luffy

i shudder at the thought

[hot cairn]

someone who would make things very repetitive and boring if she does

[prisma idol]

He felt a little silly

[thick mango]

Loki and Lola get married after all at the end of elbaf. Everything seems fine until.. from the distance... "WEDDING CAKE!?!"

[hot cairn]

it's too much and was never going to happen

[ashen perch]

I dislike it when Oda does not commit to things, this has been the case since Onigashima now

[prisma idol]

Arsal wanted the raid to fail

[hot cairn]

my worst nightmare

[prisma idol]

Instead Arsal got Big Mom's death

[ashen perch]

when Oda wrote Dressrosa to be this mammoth of an arc, its not like he ran away from paying every single thing off

he commited to the beast he had birthed himself, he didnt run away

[brittle basin]

https://tenor.com/view/kill-me-drink-bleach-gif-22890796

[digital spear]

Except Loki marries Shirahoshi and its Neptune who arrives

[hot cairn]

BM not coming back doesnt mean he's running away from things

if that's what you mean

[digital spear]

Wait we need Bepotrue

[haughty saddle]

[tranquil blade]

Probably the Egghead skipping and GV being kinda mid

[royal orchid]

shakky hater

[haughty saddle]

I have begun a collection

[digital spear]

Shes so 2024

[tranquil blade]

I dont like using the word mid usually but it kind of is

[prisma idol]

I think people overestimated Big Mom's importance to Elbaf. She is important in 2 incidents. 1 that was covered in WCI and the second we havent seen yet, with Lola. But the second isnt important at all now because Lola is married

[fallen meteor]

end of elbaf
loki and shirahoshi are marrying
BM crashes the marriage seeking to marry him with one of her daughters + wedding cake
the shs win vs her and its a showcase of the weaker ones

yes or no

[royal orchid]

can I get a funny one

[ashen perch]

its the most basic example of Oda running away

tbh

[haughty saddle]

[trim lily]

[royal orchid]

the fireproof skeleton of big mom she placed her entire soul on*

[ashen perch]

but I dont mean her specifically anyways, you dont gotta make everything about BM when I havent even mentioned her here smh

[tranquil blade]

Arsal I thought you were gonna say GV being rushed

[fallen meteor]

SKELEMOM comes naturally to all #also-manga users, see @digital spear

[royal orchid]

I've been saying this half jokingly for 5 months now

[haughty saddle]

[runic dock]

True…

[digital spear]

Only 5 months?

[haughty saddle]

I gotta get in the discord with the Kidd one

[royal orchid]

[fallen meteor]

please add to your collection i worked very hard on it

[thick mango]

well actaully being forward looking i think BM returning is a good example of what I dont want to happen. Its a lot easier to use specific examples than to say generally "too long"

[digital spear]

This really is a signal

!rmd list

[royal orchid]

maybe one or two more

[digital spear]

Big Mom returns in July 27th

[runic dock]

Kid would never agree with anyone tho

[ashen perch]

this is one example of it yea lol

[prisma idol]

We should end the Big Mom bet

[fallen meteor]

[runic dock]

No

[prisma idol]

Yes

Because she is dead

[tranquil blade]

Juba made a call for it but Red shot it down

[prisma idol]

Oda told me so

[thick mango]

no dont end the bet, shell come back next chapter

[tranquil blade]

The BM bet is not over

[thick mango]

leave the bet open until the series ends

[runic dock]

BM lives forever

[tranquil blade]

I tried to end the bet

It didnt end

[haughty saddle]

ShakkyTrue has become such a thing in my friend group I made ones for all my friends favs. I need to make TrUssop and I’m done. I need to steal your Kidd one.

[hot cairn]

yes please do it

[distant vine]

Arisu and adood may make it out good

[runic dock]

Calm down wounded warrior

[fallen meteor]

big mom is the big bad of the second arc of two piece

[prisma idol]

Big Mom, Shiki, Urouge. The cope never ends

[brittle basin]

It may be rushed, yet this is ironically the longest flashback with multiple time periods and locales. Oda just wants to have his cake and eat ii too

[hot cairn]

how

[distant vine]

Just give me a bit more time

[fallen meteor]

have you introduced to them

[runic dock]

Why would it?

[tranquil blade]

Rent is due

[runic dock]

People get to be delusional about mihawk

So what

[hazy turret]

They may WHAT??

[haughty saddle]

It would be too powerful….

[prisma idol]

Say NO to delusion

Be sad

[fast pagoda]

Big Mom is coming back lol

And so is Kaido

[royal orchid]

hooh I just held my fingers there

[dense haven]

will shiki have his moment in 2026

[hot cairn]

one here is not like the others

[royal orchid]

what a day today

[runic dock]

Calm down

[thick mango]

big mom coming back i wouldnt like but it would be whatever, id get over it.
Kaido coming back would be fuckin horrible. Like real bad

[fast pagoda]

Doesn't mean they have to have a major role in the story (they probably will though)

[fallen meteor]

Kaido makes no sense

[ashen perch]

Generally speaking, what I am referring to is how different things were in Onigashima from a mammoth of an arc like Dressrosa. You can say Dressrosa is slow or whatever, but at no point does it feel like Oda is changing his mind from things he had setup to pay off. At no point did it feel like he isnt committed to a character or a storyline anymore or that he is under delivering on something he had built up for a while. Everything feels coherent and connected. Thats nice

[runic dock]

I’m not gonna put a deadline on perfection

[thick mango]

it does though, they have too much gravity. They cant help but warp things around them.

[prisma idol]

Urouge is such a funny character because of his absolute lack of plot relevance

[fast pagoda]

Kaido and Linlin vaguely dying makes infinitely less since then Oda not bringing them back

[thick mango]

thats why theyre better off just simply dead

its vague and indirect cause we dont want to embrace our celebrated heroes being murderers

thats all

[digital spear]

Just say it, theyre fat

[hot cairn]

yeah I agree

[runic dock]

It’s when you least expect him that he will come

[hot cairn]

Kaido coming back is awful for the story

[runic dock]

Since yall are thinking about him rn he’s not coming

Yet

[prisma idol]

Is he Jesus lmfaooo...

[runic dock]

The second coming indeed

[fallen meteor]

the last page of One Piece will have a tiny Urouge flying on the sky

[royal orchid]

!urucrew

[tropic nova]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/164971940648321024/631168230958039109/image0.jpg

[hot cairn]

he'll get his moment

[royal orchid]

TRUST IN UROUGE

[craggy vapor]

Luffy doesn’t shave off his armpit hair 😭

[prisma idol]

I dont imagine he would

[hot cairn]

no? why would he be me?

[fallen meteor]

King Elizabello will punch Urouge and Urouge will get really strong to finish a HK

[rose rune]

not canon. Luffy famously shaves his entire body in the manga

[distant vine]

Well, that sounds in character

[thick mango]

the strongest creature in the world, probably the most important combatant if hes around, who wants a glorious death in combat, cant just sit out on the sidelines in the final war. It doesnt make sense. So he either needs a big change or he needs to be involved in a big way. And I think that big change requires a bunch of pagetime for us to understand his new perspective so thats taking up space either way

[ashen perch]

Wdym how. Its quite blatantly obvious that BM's "conclusion" came completely differently from how Oda was initially setting it up since FMI because he didnt want to commit to keeping her around as an antagonist for any longer. This was an Oda, that mind you, wanted to end the series in 5 years, later 3, ofc he is running away from everything, trying his best to mash up everything together so he can move on to the next thing real quick

[brittle basin]

They're fatasses

[craggy vapor]

ye but I have never seen him with hairy armpits in the manga 😟

[digital spear]

Well yeah I agree I just wanted to call them fat

[fast pagoda]

This is a new era though. They aren't yonko anymore, and they don't have their crews

[digital spear]

Kaido will fight the demons Imu summons or something

[fast pagoda]

And you dont need a bunch of pagetime to understand their new perspective

Just a chapter or two at most

[brittle basin]

Laugh at YC, he thinks Kaido is still alive.

[hot cairn]

well

[fast pagoda]

However, people's dreams never end

[brittle basin]

If Kaido and BM are still alive I'll jump off a cliff.

[trim lily]

bm being alive is bad but kaido being alive is a much much worse possibility

[prisma idol]

Laido and Big Mid are dead

[fast pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/tekken-fight-throw-away-gif-8954119

[craggy vapor]

Mr. 5 looks so good

[prisma idol]

Both being alive must be hell

[digital spear]

just like them ...

[brittle basin]

newcomers are going to be so confused when he shoves his finger in his nose

[ashen perch]

Kaido is gone, he could have survived but he used his life to repay his debt to BM

[trim lily]

only kaido being alive would be funny

[prisma idol]

[hot cairn]

yeah it's too much

[fallen meteor]

big mom alive is the easiest write of Oda's life

[prisma idol]

Accept it If kaido is dead then so is big mom

[ashen perch]

its objectively true

[fallen meteor]

she fell down councious, she still had power, she had kaido right there

[fast pagoda]

They're both alive lol

[fallen meteor]

Kaido makes no sense

[thick mango]

listen if pell can live anyone can live in any circumstance. Its not about the logic of surviving a volcano, put that aside. Its about what they would do to the remainder of the story if they rejoined it

[hot cairn]

yeah yeah I know

[fast pagoda]

Why do you think they showed that their defeats made holes that go underground the same chapter it was revealed there are ancient ruins and Pluton hidden under Wano?

Why do you think Big Mom asked "part of it is here too, Roger?" Right after she was defeated by Law and Kid

[hot cairn]

I dont want BM as an antagonist for the 3rd time lets move on

[prisma idol]

She was conscious, bjt then got nuked to high heaven and fell into the same lava pit as kaido

[trim lily]

oda has gaslit us into wanting fake out deaths

[craggy vapor]

difference is Kaido took a magma bath while knocked out. BM was still awake and said this

[fast pagoda]

She doesn't have to be a main antagonist, neither does Kaido

[ashen perch]

yeah I think the "how" is the most pointless thing we can argue on, things happen when Oda wants them to happen

[prisma idol]

Lets not pretend Big Mom is safe

[fast pagoda]

Kaido and Big Mom are both past their prime now

[ashen perch]

if BM has to be alive, she will be alive

[brittle basin]

Oda kill Franky. Just do it. Make me FEEL something.

[prisma idol]

We dont know her condition once she hits the lava pit. She gets nuked to high heaven eight after this

[hot cairn]

then why would they return

[fast pagoda]

As a supporting antagonist for the final saga?

[trim lily]

cheer on from the sidelines

[rose rune]

"we've come to help strawhat!"

[fast pagoda]

Neither Kaido nor Linlin were originally captains themselves

[hot cairn]

yeah no, I'm not a fan of that

and them coming back as allies sucks even more

[ashen perch]

I have already explained my idea for BM's role smh, I think she will be an ally against BB. Trying to save Pudding.

[trim lily]

why would she care for pudding

unless dying gave her a change of heart

[ashen perch]

??

[fallen meteor]

yeah but theres no confirmation that the explosion took her out

[ashen perch]

Pudding is her key to being the PK lol

[craggy vapor]

i think she is dead myself but so I thought about that Alabasta bird when he ate a literal nuke

[rose rune]

kaido looks at luffy. he lets out a sigh and closes his eyes with a slight smile.
"you truly were joyboy strawhat"

[brittle basin]

No. BM's children can save Pudding. If they can't then die.

[trim lily]

does that mean she'll just go back to rejoining the race once she gets pudding

[ashen perch]

and she never said she doesnt care for Pudding anyways, she just called her creepy once

[trim lily]

and we're back to square one

[trim lily]

we know how she treats her kids

[fallen meteor]

and BM was so 'i will be back' on her way down too

[brittle basin]

The only one BM truly hated was Lola.

[trim lily]

she loves them as long as theyre useful to her

[ashen perch]

Pudding wants to be saved by BM

[trim lily]

yeah fair

[ashen perch]

Pudding is hoping for her

[craggy vapor]

she loves Katakuri for sure

[brittle basin]

Pudding is just coping

BM is dead

[hot cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/sleep-sleepy-sleepy-eyes-so-sleepy-good-night-gif-16664401258023829878

[brittle basin]

Moria can save Pudding.....KOZUKI Moria can save her.

[trim lily]

huge

[brittle basin]

Two poneglyph readers

Goda

[ashen perch]

the copers are the goons who are making fun of her

[fast pagoda]

That's Katakuri's role

[ashen perch]

youre no different than BB Goon #112314

[fast pagoda]

Kaido and Big Mom will join Blackbeard if they come back (which they likely will)

[brittle basin]

I'm more depraved than that

[fast pagoda]

Kuzan is not staying with Teach

[brittle basin]

Aokiji is undercover

[fast pagoda]

Them and Pluton will be what makes Teach the most powerful pirate in the world before Luffy

[trim lily]

as long as you dont say kuzan is a spy i can respect your opinion

[hot cairn]

this is pointless

[fast pagoda]

Hes not a spy, he's just lost

[trim lily]

good

[fast pagoda]

Though he will probably join with the revs or form his own organization soon

[brittle basin]

that possibility is high

[fast pagoda]

How is it pointless

[hot cairn]

yeah so like, she saves pudding and then fights Luffy again during the race for the OP? I dont think so

[brittle basin]

I think Kuzan is better than "lost"

[ashen perch]

I have a hard time imagining current BM in a crew that isnt hers lol

[trim lily]

i refuse to acknowledge it on the basis of how boring it would be

[fallen meteor]

idk if this is ai but

[fast pagoda]

She dgaf about her kids

[ashen perch]

looks AI

[fallen meteor]

damn it

[ashen perch]

DOES

[fast pagoda]

She used to

[brittle basin]

This Akainu low diffs Cancerbeard

[fast pagoda]

But she sees them as tools

[fallen meteor]

oda needs to make some muscular women

like top fighters

[fast pagoda]

Yamato should be buffer

[brittle basin]

TRUUUUUUUE

[ashen perch]

Again, that Pudding conversation sealed it for me. The good character will get exactly what she is hoping for, the moronic goons will be proven wrong

[brittle basin]

Give me big muscle mommies Oda

[fast pagoda]

Buff prime Tsuru

[brittle basin]

i'm not weird

i swear

[fallen meteor]

@Oda please

[graceful grove]

https://tenor.com/view/luffy-onepiece-luffy-one-piece-luffyygz-luffy-dissapointed-gif-25171990

[ashen perch]

Oda's biggest mistake with Yamato was not giving him muscles unfortunately

[brittle basin]

You could've got that in the Elbaf flashback but Oda hates us

[brittle basin]

I know what kind of man I am

[ashen perch]

hopefully he can make better decisions with BM's new post lava transformation

[graceful grove]

wdym. got 2 big muscles right there

[fallen meteor]

man

[prisma idol]

No

[brittle basin]

WTF

coward

[ashen perch]

okay

[distant vine]

Hmm...we may need Kaido to be alive as well

[brittle basin]

fat yamato is great

[distant vine]

Because if Big Mom lives it may lead to Law slander

[graceful grove]

BM and Kaido is dead

they will return in hell piece

[ashen perch]

we dont really, Kaido died saving BM's life, its that simple

[prisma idol]

Buffy... that was fetish art...

[ashen perch]

I think both Kaido and BM could have survived

[brittle basin]

wait what?

'cause of the eating?

[ashen perch]

yeah, its inflation art..............

[thick mango]

well yeah cause anyone could have survived anything but that doesnt mean they should have survived

[fallen meteor]

big fetish too

[brittle basin]

see, this is proof i'm not as depraved as the rest of the internet

i'm too innocent to recognize this crap

[thick mango]

anything but decapitation oda can claw back if he really wants to.

[graceful grove]

isn't every art fetish art if you look deep?

[brittle basin]

WTF is inflation art?!

wong is wrong with you all?

[ashen perch]

I am just an innocent soul who was told to look up One Piece Inflation for more information on how Dorry and Brogy's bounty increased so much

[graceful grove]

basically everyone is BM-ified

[brittle basin]

that's funny

[tranquil blade]

Wait you do art and dont know about that?

[brittle basin]

i want fat zoro now

[tranquil blade]

https://tenor.com/view/kevin-hart-kevin-hart-damn-gif-22709278

[distant vine]

I need Kaido to stay alive as well so the Luffy hypebeasts dont get too active

[ashen perch]

no I am kidding I have known for a while

its just

[brittle basin]

I do professional concept design, I don't know about what sounds like some kind of fetish sub-genre of art. I create worlds, characters, props, 3D models

[ashen perch]

when you are on the internet for a while yknow

[tranquil blade]

Oh

[tranquil blade]

Well its like a whole thing on the internet

[brittle basin]

My king delivers

[ashen perch]

you just get to know a lot of things

things you dont ever ask to know

things you never ever try to know

[brittle basin]

Like, I know furry art and the concept of rule 34. that's where my knowledge ends

[ashen perch]

but you just know, you know

does that make sense?

[ashen perch]

I have unfortunately been on some sort of social platform for more than half my lifespan so I just know things that I know

[brittle basin]

I was too busy studying the blade.

[graceful grove]

https://tenor.com/view/kaido-wano-orochi-kurozumi-one-piece-toei-anime-head-boots-feet-step-on-gif-16481134204679890781

[tranquil blade]

I know about it because a youtuber I used to like admitted to looking at it

[dense haven]

speed?

[ashen perch]

did you still like the youtuber after they admitted it

or was it the dealbreaker

[rose rune]

it's what got him into the youtuber

[tranquil blade]

well it was kinda funny when i found out, but it did kinda changed my perception of said youtuber

[thick mango]

i figure its none of my business if someone consumes degen stuff. As long as it doesnt affect whatever primary content im consuming from them

[dense haven]

blatant fatphobia in chat

[tranquil blade]

then they started posting dramaslop and it was all over

[ashen perch]

keemstar has an inflation fetish??

oh wait he has always posted dramaslop

[tranquil blade]

why would i ever watch keemstar

[ashen perch]

LMAO

[jagged notch]

hating chopper should be a crime

[distant vine]

Being an anime fan alone has done a lot of damage to my innocence

[ashen perch]

idk, theres a lot of really horrible yt-ers that people have watched at some point in their lives

[hazy turret]

Didn’t you say before that you think fat people are disgusting?

[hazy turret]

You came to the wrong place buddy

[ashen perch]

true

[hazy turret]

We hate chopper up in here

[dark nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-usopp-tony-tony-chopper-gif-24924124

[jagged notch]

why

[thick mango]

choppers ok but compared to doc q and stronger?

its a little unfair cause hes gotta go against a duo but

[ashen perch]

you guys are not ready for my Year of Chopper era, when I come to the realization that we're mere months away from his big awakening

[thick mango]

i think bb has the winning half of that compariosn

[dense haven]

what the hell is this smear campaign

[ashen perch]

I love Chopper, I never talk about him much, but he is cool

[hazy turret]

He’s a lame animal used to sell merch

[dense haven]

i love them thicc

[graceful grove]

there are a lot of criminals in this chat

[ashen perch]

youre an animal to sell merch

[thick mango]

im an animal to buy merch

[dark nymph]

and ragnir will overtake him

[hazy turret]

Truth

[distant vine]

Gear 5 was made to sell merch

[jagged notch]

cat lover hating on animals btw

[hazy turret]

Cat lover?

[jagged notch]

look at your pfp

[rose rune]

it's a mission in certain games where you smear characters with some sort of goop

[hazy turret]

It’s a seal

[ashen perch]

thats a hamster

what

wait

oh you changed, was it not a hamster before

[graceful grove]

its a wyrm

[ashen perch]

I thought it was a hamster again

[hazy turret]

It was the seal from that Viking colorspread

[distant vine]

Chopper is like the best character with a dedicated haterbase. Other than like Shanks or Garp

[dark nymph]

Shanks has a haterbase?

[thick mango]

shanks might have one of the biggest haterbases

[ashen perch]

ah

[thick mango]

!rat

[trim lily]

have you not seen the countless memes concerning shanks

[ashen perch]

all SHaterbases will be dismantled in due time

[distant vine]

Yeah but idk if its just Agenda Piece or real haters

[dark nymph]

ah you consider that hate nvm then

[trim lily]

i used to dislike shanks but im actually interested in him again

[wraith ingot]

How does garp have a hater base…..besides when he didn’t save ace

[distant vine]

Chopper has real haters other than memes

[distant vine]

They call him a slave driver lol

[trim lily]

mostly concerning his role in the marines

[dark nymph]

the real criminals are Robin haters

[trim lily]

but oda rectified most of the issues near the end of god valley

[ashen perch]

speaking of which, has anyone figured out why this OPLA trailer is like 5 hours long, especially the Robin parts

[thick mango]

id say of all the straw hats i was probably the biggest sanji hater pre-wci. The fmi nosebleed stuff was rough.

[trim lily]

nowadays i tend to dislike luffy the most

[hot cairn]

smh I knew it

[trim lily]

sometimes zoro

[hot cairn]

but yeah Robin is

very beautiful

[ashen perch]

she's so cool

[hazy turret]

They’re making sure the gooners stick around

[hot cairn]

interesting how they dont want to spoil the Vivi twist

[dark nymph]

same but I used to be indifferent to him

[thick mango]

i want to believe shes escaping onto her turtle but i know its probably not true

[hazy turret]

Like dangling a carrot on a stick in front of a rabbit

[tranquil blade]

robin will be the reason opla gets renewed for a 4th season

[hot cairn]

it is probably that

[ashen perch]

well its supposed to be a surprise

[thick mango]

i hope so but i dont think they CGI'd a giant turtle boat guy for like 2 scenes

[hot cairn]

yeah

the biggest shock of the trailer is def the unluckies lmao

I thought they were going to get cut for sure

[ashen perch]

unluckies are kind of important tbf

[hazy turret]

Opla 😴

[ashen perch]

like they are the ones who notice all the SHs minus Sanji

[thick mango]

would you prefer if there were more stomp, clap, hey

[ashen perch]

then theyre the ones to confront Sanji in Little Garden before being beaten up

[hazy turret]

Quite frankly, I would

[ashen perch]

and it all leads to Mr Prince outsmarting Crocodile

[hot cairn]

season 1 wasnt good but it wasnt bad either

it just

[ashen perch]

we're going to 10 atleast with her trust

[hot cairn]

exists

[hazy turret]

Listen

I’ve only seen ep 1

[distant vine]

I liked Season 1

[hazy turret]

But I saw everything I needed to see to know what kind of show it was

[distant vine]

Parts of Baratie and all of Arlong Park got damaged by the 8 episode count tho

[ashen perch]

I have only ever seen first time viewers praise Season 1 so I kind of just put aside my hatred for it as a person who has seen the superior version and just appreciate it for what it is

[dark nymph]

looks like its reverse mountain, whiskey peak and ending with loguetown probably

[hot cairn]

LOL

[hot cairn]

fair enough

[distant vine]

We'll see what happens here. It seems theyre gonna keep most of the plot elements intact

[ashen perch]

its genuinely a pretty fun entry point for those first time viewers

[ruby cape]

Ain’t watched it but after I saw it was like 18 million an episode I’m thinking of doing so

[thick mango]

nah it ends with arlong park, loguetown is the beginning of s2

[hot cairn]

100%

[distant vine]

Unlike S1 where Don Krieg had to be cameod

[distant vine]

Which had lasting effects on the show

[hot cairn]

yeah first time viewers love the live action

I'm always surprised by that

[distant vine]

Dude Sanji's character arc got trashed so hard in the Live Action

[distant vine]

Im not surprised

[dark nymph]

netflix knows something we don't...

[distant vine]

What looks bad and cut down compared to the manga is servicable on its own

Like Sanji in Baratie for example. Him not seeing Zoro vs Mihawk isnt so bad if you dont get to see a version of the story where he does in the first place

[ashen perch]

yea, I think even a chopped up One Piece still ends up seeming special to people who have no idea how it is supposed to be

[hot cairn]

on season 1 they had to adapt 95 chapters but this season they will adapt 59 so it'll probably flow better

[ashen perch]

the series isnt incoherent on its own, no first time viewer's gonna be mad at the decision to make Nojiko not believe in Nami

[hot cairn]

also hopefully there's no Garp/Koby B plot this season

[ashen perch]

so it makes a big difference

[hot cairn]

that sucked ass

[distant vine]

That too yeah

[hot cairn]

yeah the live action I feel like it's just for first time viewers

[ashen perch]

there is, but hopefully just a lesser focus atleaast

[fallen meteor]

dude is 8 pm why is it so hot is brazil hell on earth

[ashen perch]

I am literally dying from cold here

[fallen meteor]

dude i wish

[distant vine]

Yknow what would be an incredible bit?

[fallen meteor]

i have the worst combo, flu + hot

[distant vine]

Garp sending more Warlord's Luffy's way

[ashen perch]

I would take that heat over it, even though I prefer winters cause I feel horrible right now

[distant vine]

Let's get early Luffy vs Doflamingo

[ashen perch]

been sick for a week

[distant vine]

[torn osprey]

No Bogard

[ashen perch]

lmao

[hot cairn]

aw man that sucks, I was hoping they would give that time to Smoker and Tashigi

[fallen meteor]

i had a flu then i was almost over it then i had it again then i was over it for like 3 days then i'm back with it

[ashen perch]

They are just too obsessed with Garp

[fast pagoda]

They just want a top tier

[dark nymph]

ngl what they're covering is pretty meh in the manga in the first place, shits gonna be rough for LA

[fast pagoda]

I think having him in East Blue is fine but not Arabasta saga

[fast pagoda]

Little Garden and Drum Island are great

[ashen perch]

I think it was just a waste of time, I don't think it ends up adding much

[fast pagoda]

Also Loguetown

[ashen perch]

time that they were already short on

[fast pagoda]

What would you have changed Arsal?

[dark nymph]

mainly talking about whiskey peak, little garden, reverse mountain

[ashen perch]

I would have removed it entirely lol, It didnt have a place in the season at all

[fast pagoda]

Reverse Mountain and LG are great

[distant vine]

I understand them wanting a B plot

[fast pagoda]

And Whiskey Peak will probably be just 1 episode, and if they tweak it a bit it'll be fine

[graceful grove]

biggest problem with OPLA xd

[fast pagoda]

The only problem with this season is that Wapol is the final boss

[distant vine]

There's a solution

[dark nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/opla-one-piece-one-piece-live-action-live-action-la-gif-15514931660925986455

[distant vine]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-op-movie-9-one-piece-movie-9-episode-of-chopper-bloom-in-the-winter-miracle-sakura-gif-11034213902378769762

Wapol's brother in LA

[fallen meteor]

whats his name again

[ashen perch]

well Wapol is fun, and apparently the arc has Robin too

[fallen meteor]

Wapeel?

Rupol

[fast pagoda]

Yeah

It's just funny lol

[graceful grove]

my goat survived falling down stairs.

[fast pagoda]

Drum Island itself is kinda weird with how it fits into the Arabasta saga but its also really its own story

Though there are ties to Alabasta in the arc

[dark nymph]

Drum Island is hard carrying

[fallen meteor]

Musshuru??????? what the hell

lame ass name

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-one-piece-movie-9-op-movie-9-episode-of-chopper-bloom-in-the-winter-miracle-sakura-gif-3418265722490503549

[graceful grove]

S2 gonna end with Chopper scene

[fallen meteor]

holy shit Chopper is dead

[distant vine]

It's so funny how this movie was like "Damn we need some hype moments in aura"

So they put in hype Gear 2 sakuga

[ashen perch]

its visually so good

[graceful grove]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-one-piece-movie-9-op-movie-9-episode-of-chopper-episode-of-drum-kingdom-gif-5594459257197906741

[distant vine]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-op-movie-9-one-piece-movie-9-episode-of-chopper-bloom-in-the-winter-miracle-sakura-gif-14412611576984097986

[ashen perch]

but also so pointless lol

[rose rune]

not a fan of these mouths

[fast pagoda]

That Drum Island movie is just the weirdest shit ever tbh

[dark nymph]

og better

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-drumm-island-mountain-luffy-climbing-gif-20585566

[winter oasis]

it's great lol

i wish they made more movies like that

instead of stupid fandom bait or fanservice fests

just weird takes on existing arcs

[glacial bear]

https://tenor.com/view/snl-saturday-night-live-saturday-night-live-gifs-dwayne-johnson-the-rock-gif-9682446

Chopper brother

[spice cairn]

https://x.com/i/status/2010823552694391268

ほたジャニ (@hotajaniOP)

#ほぼ日ワンピきみにきめた
1.13 イカロス&カイロス🦑
このコンビはすいとるをよく使ってくるので厄介ですが、ほのおタイプが弱点です

X · Jan 12, 2026, 9:17 PM

[sturdy steeple]

That's a good one but the Alabasta one is just not it.

So it depends on who's at helm I guess.

[winter oasis]

the alabasta one is just abridged tbh

[sturdy steeple]

Fair enough. Other adaptations that retell the existent arcs are also like that. So I guess they'd rather play it safe, which isn't that surprising.

I wonder how the movie 9 did in terms of success lol

[grand flower]

Oh I should play Pokémon

[fallen meteor]

hows the toe

[dense haven]

bro asking for them toes live in chat

[fallen meteor]

he said he broke it

lmao twitter realized i'm skipping the spoiler posts so now its trying to feed me fake ai spoilers

yeah sure we got raws on a monday

[glacial bear]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-jango-jango-one-piece-michael-jackson-hypnotize-gif-14579297118147724533

[brittle basin]

LA Robin toes in 2 months?

[ashen rose]

Fuckass AI trying to feed you slop

[grand flower]

Fully healed. I might be immortal

[fallen meteor]

nobody can stop you now

[spice cairn]

Me when I see a cow to fucking KILL and eat

[digital spear]

Poor sanjuan

[grand flower]

In the mood for steak?

[spice cairn]

Im eating steak rn

On break

[thick mango]

I ate steak like every day over the holidays now I'm back to cost calorie optimized meal prep slop

[hot cairn]

what happened to your toe

chat is dead

we need the new chapter NOW

[haughty saddle]

What kind

[thick mango]

Let's just put the chapter on hold a bit while we collect our thoughts

We wouldn't want the chapter to arrive before we know what we hope to see in it

So a good 3-6 week break would be ideal I think

[ornate tartan]

coming soon

[hot cairn]

we've been waiting for almost 3 weeks

[thick mango]

But I'm not sure if I want to see shanks fight loki or not

[fallen meteor]

i hope the chapter is a 30 mins video where oda details everything that happened between shanks and loki

[hot cairn]

we're probably not seeing that at all or fully, it's a flashback fight

[thick mango]

I don't think we need another shanks stomp but if loki actually wins and shanks gets saved Socrates won't let anyone forget it for years

[hot cairn]

and this might be the last chapter before we go back to the present (peak)

[thick mango]

i think the disagreement is about the correct approach to take against the WG and if thats the case its probably better suited for the shanks fb

[thick mango]

Just a qr code that takes you to a private video essay

[vapid flower]

ODA RELEASE THE CHAPTER AND ARSALS LIFE IS YOURS

[tranquil blade]

I have (probably) let go of Shanks hate and I dont want to hear all that from Socrates so I'd unironically rather Loki get one shot than Shanks have to cheat/get bailed out against Loki

[thick mango]

Lol so zealous for loki that it semi converts a shanks hater

[grand flower]

Shanks cheated with Haki to one shot Loki

[stone tulip]

It’s probably a high diff battle tbh

[tranquil blade]

I'd actually accept haki cheating over something like poison being used

[dense haven]

is it chapter week yet

without chapter I lose track of time

[thick mango]

If haki is cheating what are we even doing. Is arm wrestling the only legitimate competition at that point

[tranquil blade]

Yknow I said once "oh yeah Shanks used poison" as a joke and Socrates has started to use it unironically ever since then

I worry my jests have consequences

[hot cairn]

it is but there’s a break next week

[thick mango]

Well next week has mlk day so I think it'll be fine

I don't really need a nice thing next week I already got a day off

[hot cairn]

shanks using poison makes no sense

[thick mango]

He had fake poison with barto that one time

[tranquil blade]

The reason is so Loki doesnt legit lose a 1v1 that's the only reason it's brought up

[thick mango]

i think if it really came down to it and poison was the only option to protect his plan to like sve the world bring the dawn whatever big slow cautious luffy joyboy plan, shanks would use poison if he had and he thought it would work. But I dont think he would have to and also poison is a weird tricky choice for a giant, who probably needs tons of poison

[hot cairn]

yesterday I bought all the egghead volumes

[thick mango]

I think ill buy a bunch eventually but i wanna wait for color

[hot cairn]

Socrates is so biased lmao

[hot cairn]

they don’t do in color physical releases I think

[rich hornet]

But about the kind of poison that one dose could kill a dozen elephants (crazy they did the experiment to prove that btw). That should be enough for one Loki

[thick mango]

really? I thought they did it but were just way behaind

[hot cairn]

I’m saving for the box sets so I’ll buy the ones that don’t come in a box set

from vol 91 onwards

I got all the ones from egghead and vol 91 I think

[hot cairn]

nah they don’t, only black and white

[tranquil blade]

I've never seen or heard of physical color releases for one piece, I've seen limited color releases physically for other series but not one piece

[thick mango]

so the official color ive seen is just online?

[dense haven]

colors aren't real

[tranquil blade]

Yeah

[thick mango]

thats diappointing

i wonder why not? Is there no demand? Im demand. Am i the only one

[tranquil blade]

I assume it's more expensive to print with color

Like they probably could afford it but they just dont want to spend the extra money and i guess demand also may not be high enough

[thick mango]

well theyd just have to charge extra but i guess that would also hurt the demand

[tranquil blade]

yeah

[tidal ice]

so based

[tranquil blade]

[thick mango]

one man's biased is another man's based, so true

[dense haven]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-door-sora-sora-2-ai-gif-12515379536713602485

[steel stirrup]

If you read spoilers you would be dealing with him rn

[hot cairn]

yeah, just digital

[hot cairn]

it seems like the limited time only type of product that would be out when OP ends

[thick mango]

id buy it. but id probably expect to spend hundreds

[hot cairn]

spoilers are out? Yuck

[thick mango]

maybe even low thousand

[hot cairn]

that’s why it’s better to buy the box sets

[steel stirrup]

Yes that's why im not in here

Im in the trenches rn

[thick mango]

hey i was randomly googling and this came up

it seems kind of interesting that this is repeated, that a distinction is made

[steel stirrup]

Joyboys clan and Davys clan type beat

[thick mango]

could imu be said to have tamed demons? Probably right. I cant think of anything else

[sleek plume]

the moon people being lunarians

[ivory sonnet]

yeah I feel the same when I read the line forest god tamed the demons .onky thing which comes to my mind is Imu is forest god

[ivory sonnet]

then half moon probably Celestial dragons ?(Mainly because of Garling's hairstyle )

[sleek plume]

i think the half moon are referring to the D clan

[tranquil blade]

There's a theory that either the sea devil and forest god are the same thing, which is Imu, or that the forest god becomes the sea devil at some point, which is of course still Imu

but I dont remember all the pieces of evidence for it

[trim lily]

i could see this, with imu being the first one to really use devil fruits and give them out to their allies

and i guess joyboy somehow got one

[ivory sonnet]

Actually Half moon being D clan makes more sense .Lol Idk for what what reason I thought this was half moon 🌛

[sleek plume]

yeah thats more like a quarter

[ivory sonnet]

Anyways 1138 Has to be in top 5 Chapters of One piece

[sleek plume]

top 3 i'd argue

the hype surrounding it reminded me of gear 5

and it fed discussions for several weeks afterwards

[ivory sonnet]

Yeah. Top 5 would be safe to assume considering there are many things to be revealed which might make few of the upcoming chapters better than it.

[sleek plume]

in the future? oh yeah 100%

i can see a void century chapter or a final war chapter becoming a top 3 or 5 chapter in the series

[scarlet nacelle]

still remember being in manga chat disecting every little piece of the chapter

the day it dropped

[sleek plume]

its moments like these where the community reaches its absolute peak

when everyone becomes a theorist

no agenda nonsense

[ivory sonnet]

I know Oda many time hype somethings and ain't able to do justice with that hype but the end of the One piece which he has been hyping for years I feel he can do that .Idk what others going to react to it but for me its going to surpass my expectations and I am gonna love it.

[scarlet nacelle]

what reveal are you guys most hyped for? excluding the actual one piece

im hyped to finally see what imu truly is

[sleek plume]

joyboy for sure, dying to see his design and i also just want to see him use the nika fruit

its going to be so uncanny witnessing somebody else wielding rubber powers

using luffys moves

[scarlet nacelle]

i'd be so dissapointed if joyboy just looks like luffy

[sleek plume]

i personally wouldn't mind it but i'd also prefer if he had a unique look yeah, it is looking like they're in the same age range though

with his voice being revealed in the anime

he sounds no older than 25

[ivory sonnet]

I am excited to see Dragon in full power 😅.

[sleek plume]

Joyboy was probably like early 20s when he died

a prodigy like luffy

[sleek plume]

same

we prolly won't see that until final war

[scarlet nacelle]

he def top 3 in the verse currently i think

[ivory sonnet]

But I doubt about him being Sea god.I feel posiedon would be the sea god .

[thick mango]

well the thing is the high sea levels of definitely a part of the equation that makes the WG control over the world more practical/easy

so i guess i associate that aspect as potentially being imu related

[vital heart]

did you know the first sentence highlighted is actually the name of a chapter in skypiea

its actually insane

[thick mango]

half moon?

or the full "Those of the half moon dreamed"?

[vital heart]

this

[thick mango]

what number is it? Might be interesting to go poke aroundsee whats in there