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yeah Oda pointed it out for 3 other characters in that arc (Luffy Law Kid ) , feel like he would’ve did it for Yamato too if she was actually awakened
Any early spoilers for 1171?
Hybrid Luffy would probably be Luffy but just white hair or something
P much, the existence of his awakened hybrid means there’s a full zoan awakened form
And ofc full zoan/hybrid in general
pretty sure the scarf has no meaning
Luffy has powers without transforming
Not because it’s a “”human”” fruit but because mythical zoans just do that
He pointed it out with Lucci and Kaku too, as well as with Katakuri and Doflamingo, generally Oda seems to explicitly state when someone is awakened either through a text box or dialogue
Imagine if luffy isn’t even awakened

cuase they stink
Well those are paramecias
even gave the impel down zoans a statement from Croc about them being awakened
so they stink
COC???
but the idea is there that if a character is awakened and is actually fighting with their fruit, Oda will likely make it clear
and he didnt do that with Yamato
yamato talks in the big 26...
Then kept it pushing
Crocs twin brother 🤯
Oda is an insane person
Luffy full zoan would most likely have white skin, maybe even cartoonish accents and literal line art, as well as a complete outfit change
shuron do you know what I hate
Gear 5 pretty much just gives him access to powers he would’ve had if he went into hybrid form
The cartoony aesthetic would exist without awakening
But since he never transformed he never obtained that
That’s a huge reason why gear 5 is a massive buff
@fringe escarp but what if there really is no full zoan or hybrid for Luffy because Nika really was just a human, so theres no aesthetic change for Luffy until he awakens
There shouldn’t be any changes period, awakening is just a variation on normal zoan forms
The real reason for all of this is probably just that Oda did not plan Luffy to be a mythical zoan from the beginning, this is an issue that naturally comes up when you retcon something
If he truly was a normal every day human then luffy would have zero forms
Ideally, I would prefer no hybrid or full zoan for Luffy.
why did Luffy have to be a zoan 💔
he's fine as is
Why did Luffy have to a pirate 💔
Joy
If oda doesn’t go thru with possession? Literally zero reason

other than that
This is when One Piece went downhill
The zoan shit is actively irrelevant
Oda’s said he wanted to do G5 for a very long time
it went downhill when sanji was introduced
I think luffy is pretty much at his peak its just maintaining it for longer now. And he might have some special move at the end where he gets power from others like thriller bark and happens in some other series
Happiness
that's actually a synonym
My bad
Getting bitches
Well I'm sure he did want a gear 5, but I'm sure Oda had to deliberate exactly how he would implement it into the story in a way that works
I like Logias.
The reason gear 5 was a gigantic buff is that he didn’t merely get the benefits of awakening a paramecia and zoan
But the jump isn’t like other zoans, going from hybrid to awakened hybrid
It’s going from BASE to awakened hybrid
Really what wouldve stopped Oda from explaining that the Gomu Gomu just becomes like that when awakened
get your annoying transformation out of my pirate manga
and he eventually came to the conclusion that he should make the gomu gomu a zoan
and not actually the gomu gomu
My favorite type
I think you should lose your pirate ID if you transform into anything
Not just a zoan, a GOD GIGA FREEDOM REDEEMER zoan fruit
From a narrative perspective the only unique attribute to zoan awakenings is that they fuck with your personality
So I’m confident oda only made him a zoan so he could go through with that possession plot
Otherwise no there’s literally no reason to make a series breaking retcon
Possession Backstab piece
Where everyone doesnt have a mind of their own and everyone hates eachother
the reason is to make the fruit connected to nika
which sucks but alas
Irrelevant say he got the same fruit as the first nika
And then he gives Kid a fuckass cyborg form in awakening and Law a spiritual corny ass doctor lab coat or something
Law becomes House MD
Nika is a god they obviously didn't have a fruit power

Bepo: Im too in this episode
We don’t know this
you think gods eat devil fruits
Nika is based on a deity
Gods in OP are a extremely debatable subject because they’re more often than not empowered humans
I feel like you either type really fast or you have observation haki and read my mind
we've literally never encountered a god what are you even basing this on
My brain is always ahead
The several people in OP that are explicitly called “gods” but are just humans with status and power
Enel is a self proclaimed and called god
I think they mean a literal god
There is no confirmed literal god that’s my point bruh
Nika
yeah i agree
Nope
Nika is a devil fruit based on a legend
That is by definition what it is
Nika is a god insofar as ancient people believed he was real. But we have no actual proof of Nika's existence
Whether or not it exists is debatable
the only one confirmed is godking
And if it exists in that same form
Well if devil fruits are simply dreams made reality, then there may not be any god that preceded humanity, at most you could say humans "created" a god through devil fruits
P much yeah
This is my theory personally.
The original nika was probably just a human
The fruit probably was birth by the combine faith of the religion
Maybe a former slave but def a freedom fighter
Across thousands of years the legend was formed around him
Anyways I choose to believe it has existed considering hellspawn apparently exist now.
Doesn’t mean that legend is 100% factual
So theres not really a suspension of belief to not assume Nika wasnt a real deity either.
Legends are inherently based in the desire to explain away or deify human or natural actions
If 4000 years from now the legend of idk Zoro were to exist, it would most likely deify him beyond his actual state
“Oh he was the KING OF HELL”
“A DEMON AMONG HIS PEERS WITH THE ABILITY TO STARE PEOPLE DOWN AND BREAK THEIR SPIRIT”
ah. now that I think about it. Zoro seeing the Grim Reaper was the closest deity we've seen. but since it's all a mink meth hallucination, it can't be trusted
all true in the story right now
“HE EVEN CONQUERED DEATH HIMSELF”
Yeah but give it 4000 years and ppl will think it’s literal that’s my point
Zoro comes back as a zoan in a thousand years and devil fruit possession becomes real
It was all in his head
Ala gag.
So its not really worth taking seriously
None of it is literally true it’s just descriptive shit to hype him up
But he was ultimately a human
See this is why Oda is a hack? Brook was right there. He could've done a Brook gag.
Listen, all ill contribute is that if literal demons can exist now, theres not really a reason as to why a god like Nika couldn't
I explained this to my brother and he said "and then Law gives Big Mom a surgical fat removal and heals her and Big Mom is grateful and wants to marry Law"
brother we all know this the point is that if Nika was just a human what would a gum gum fruit have to do with them
And if it was a normal person, it was the first inhibitor of the fruit that said god past down
Fighting “freely” and in inane ways
I mean there's a million fruits that allow that
Where would law fit in the collection
Ope Ope human?
like what about bonneys fruit
There’s a million fruits that share traits with each other
that allows you to do literally anything
Her fruit ngl is more nika than luffy’s
I’d be more convinced that was og nikas fruit if fruits existed back then
Bonneys fruit isnt that busted
My point is that exaggerated descriptors is the basis of religion
Its very powerful but people exaggerate it
She can basically shape shift
Because it was properly written compared to Luffy getting it.
A fruit of a deity existing doesn’t mean it actually was literally like that
mate it literally encapsulates every other fruit
But thats a semi hot take
Yeah it went from a relatively "regular" fruit to the bustest shit ever lol
I mean im with you, but if anyone else had it, it would surely be stupidly good
It is funny that bonney's fruit is what some people were thinking luffy's was after that gorosei comment
LOLLLLL
Theres just very big limitations given its user is a 12 year old
one could imagine they're so beautiful they make people turn to stone, and that's it you got boas fruit. could imagine youre so strong you can break the air itself and wow you got wbs fruit, etc
Well her fruit was written around specifically Nika in Egghead, whereas Luffy's fruit was not written that way for a long time
it's as busted as it gets
"Show me a future where I'm immortal and I can oneshot everyone" 
Bonney if she locked the fuck in
Like her fruit is written with the purpose of giving her that power, Luffy's fruit initially did not have that and Oda basically had to retcon Luffy's fruit to make it work
Which is why Oda fucked up.
Bonney's Nika form obviously isn't as strong as Gear 5 Luffy
bonney literally just used luffys awakened ass legendary fruit like nothing lol
why not
Wait Ginny got injected with the devil fruit extract no?
other than her being 12
I think she's the best person to have it though
and not having haki
Bonneys fruit is far more than just the nika form
So would that mean both Ginny and Bonney have the same devil fruit?
She does have haki though
The nika form is honestly limiting LOL
We saw her use armament
Bonney has Haki
“no such future exist. Good luck tho”
sure but no on luffys level
Well no because no 2 people can have the same devil fruit.
She still has it though?
luffys with bonneys fruit using the Nika mode would be exactly as strong as current Luffy
12 year olds got haki but 30+ year olds Robin, Franky and Brook don't 💔
The main thing that holds her back is just not having haki on the level of Luffy
and that's ignoring the infinite other possibilities the fruit offers
Its also something she literally got just now
because it's busted
So theres stamina issues
bonny is a bootleg nika as saturn called her
but it's a powerful fruit regardless
I think its fine given the context on who has it.
powerful is the understatement of the century
Bonney's fruit is very powerful but its broken mostly because of its versatility
Yes yes I know it's one of the strongest fruits out there
However she's extremely powerful for a 12 year old
Bonney imagines a future where she can fire haki beams from her eyes
given to anyone who isn't 12 it'd be either completely unbeatable or you'd know oda was holding the user back with the plot
It can also rust swords by just touching it btw
Her fruit is way better than bum ass luffy
it's the best fruit in the story
She's beating Vice Admirals at 12
So its literally multiple fruits in one
Oda really gave us the retcon of the century with Bonney's fruit
Luffy is just the gum gum fruit with a new coat of paint

No one does it like him
Bonney can probably copy any fruit which is what makes it crazy
Nika fruit didn’t do shit

She can also turn people into babies by just shooting them with the fruit attached btw
It's theoretically infinite fruits in one
not even theoretically it is just infinite fruits in one
She did it to Vice Admirals and they were unable to turn back
Meaning she has better haki than vice admirals
“GIVE ME A IMUISH FUTURE”
not how haki works

^^^^
Shhhh
Not all fruit powers can be negated
why didn’t she do it to saturn?
She said she couldn’t
not the point
Most likely because he’s ageless
She literally couldn't.
It is, ppl assume some powers didn’t get negated because of haki interactions
She tried
Some powers just can’t
when you use an ability on someone, it's not a question of who has the better haki, it's a question of whether or not their haki is good enough to stop the ability
it's not a battle of wills lol
maybe because saturn was never a child, but birthed as an old man by Imu
law with a stronger haki than kaido would still not be able to teleport him around
If someone has strong enough haki they can overcome paramecia abilities, as shown with Kaido and Linlin being immune to ROOM and Law overcoming the disease from Doc Q
Haki also doesnt really negate fruits unless the haki user has much more powerful haki than the fruit user, if their haki is relative the fruit likely wont get negated
is there no manga this week?
Mo.
again not how it works
No
it's not a question of who has the stronger haki
2 weeks and still no manga 😔
it's simply does the person youre using the ability on has a good enough haki to stop the ability. your own haki does not matter
This is a topic I won’t discuss further because it’s not confirmed either way
Oda L unfortunately
I wonder if Big Mom turns to her God Valley self of Bonney makes her younger
I mean Bonney can make anyone any age
It'll be funny when bb's yami yami does nothing to imu because imu's haki level is too high
So it just depends on what Bonney chooses
Will he huff and puff or sweat
1 and 3
I do hope Oda explains the Distortion Future stuff more in depth soon
Though it mostly just comes from imagination, but I think traveling the world and seeing all the crazy possibilities will always keep her imagination alive
more proof that skypiea was a prototype for the big story
Skypia is the biggest piece in this puzzle
now you can use stuff there to predict whats happening next
I dont think it really is tbh
I think there are definitely a lot of similarities between Imu and Enel that likely arent coincidence, but Skypiea is trying to tell its own story
Lots of other arcs echo the greater story of One Piece and the final saga
funniest one is guy calling himself god
Revives himself with a DF by restarting his heart
meanwhile dead luffy vs kaido
Enel (baby version) >= Imu (full power + 3 weapons)
It's giving "The Ark Maxim is a prototype/weaker recreation of Uranus"
sure ill take that theory
enel def discovered something big in whatever birkan city he was in
Excuse me trash, where is Mary geoise?
i do wonder if oda will ever go back to enels city of origin
im going all in on urogue being the connection
I feel like people say this because Skypeia is so self contained
the finale will be Luffy punching the big bad with the moon (golden ball) around his fist into the sun (golden bell) creating a sound and the dawn of the world
He's confirmed to be Birkan
One Piece: Kapitel 279, Seite 16
Imus face when Luffy gets hit by his strongest attack and defends it with guts
I still find it silly when they write kami instead of god
I dont even know why
imagine if they replaced cute with kawaii
One Piece: Kapitel 279, Seite 18
The good old days with the white line
urogue is called the mad monk
but i dont remember anything showing that he is "mad"
Mad as in like "crazy" bc he's always smiling
Happy monk
or maybe madly in love
well yeah that theory still going strong
I love scenes like this
urogue went mad seeing his city gets destroyed not being able to protect it
I have some news for yall. The hero saturn died while battling against the horrible pirate Monkey D. Luffy, the same pirate that killed Vegapunk. The other gorosek were there but couldnt do anjthing to save Saint Saturn, rest in peace, Saturn.
One Piece: Kapitel 268, Seite 18
Maybe I really should reread it all again..
gaban's apprentice
so many good info dump in that arc
That makes mu angry
Gaban vs Urouge body count battle
Pagaya is coming back btw
One Piece: Kapitel 267, Seite 18
This is just one of the best pages.. I love it so much
Who do yall think got the bigger body count
!rp
NO ROLEPLAYING
Vasco Shot
Skypia is just peak

found the german
I hope we get explained who Kaien is and what he has done to name the years
aint there multiple ones like this year of (some name)
Yeah I'm doing the reread.. should I continue where I left of my last review? Around chapter 500. Or start new
I think we get Kaien in skypia and in alabasta too
Robin says the year of Kaien whole reading the poneglyphe there
i might have saved that robin translation in alabasta
One Piece: Kapitel 203, Seite 5
You're right
Year of Heaven
I could swear she says Kaien here too
"wtf nico"
so theres year of heaven
then theres age of kaien
people argue that robin was lying to croc here also
Possible
but does that matter if the lie she used was just info from real translations
from actual history i mean
He never trusted anyone
from the start
Crocodile has probably had his trust broken in the past 😢
I dont know why but the "from the start" english bugs me
this one got to be actual history she learned somewhere
This is just a foreshadow that he will betray Mihawk and kill him
as a german you probably want to shuffle the words around
mein fraulein
or would you prefer "in the first place"
Idk why but I'd say something like since the beginning or something like that
YES
Exactly this
i dont even remember that noland log book date thing
I actually put on a german war documentary instead of music once, because I found german soothing
Thats interesting
so what kind of calendar does current time use?
Probably the same
Because of this
But it doesnt have to be
It would mean we're in the year 1504 of Kaien
I remember an old bravestarr commercial in german from when I was a kid, I think that and other childhood memories might be the cause
I somehow remember the name bravestar but have no idea what it was
I've never watched it myself. only seen the intro, and the commercial I mentioned
I never watched it either
neigh
Dey
this gif is so ass, I love it
the other one made me dizzy, so I deleted it
She's just classy
Relax it’s called work smarter not harder
yall think the first chapter of 2026 will be good?
it's been so long, I've forgotten what arc we're at
One Piece: Kapitel 202, Seite 15
Maybe I should reread alabasta too.. so many epic scenes
Meh
How long ago was the beginning of the void century?
If we will see Sanji than yes
902
yes. Hajrudin gonna feel like a bitch now after learning the truth
Man the nefertari family live in average 75 years. Pretty good life
are we assuming each one ruled for 100+ years
900 years ago
Since there’s only been 12 rulers
Only Cobra died early 

75.16 years
wait no alabasta has change dynasty multiple times
4k years wont fit
if its the same family
I’m assuming it’s been all nefertari since the void century since lili
idiot literally rolled to his own grave. lucky his kid didn't end up there with him
ye
You think there’s more before?
so 800-1k years
Well probably
@olive sigil
Family's change in kingdoms that old a lot
Hope oda shows us what’s happening in the outside world while luffy is in elbaf in this next chapter
It's not usually just one family over the entirety of a nations history, especially if it's thousands of years old
He has to, we have to see how VPs message effected the world
Thats actually one of the things im the most interested in right now, how will the world react after VPs message
But for alabasta it’s been the same for at least 900 years
Who do you want?
Same. Tho the world government will prob try to hush things up
so kahira is just another nation alabasta went to war with
I'm most interested in W7 Crew, Kingdom of Prudence and the pirates
Yeah probably, but there's nothing to say that it was Nefertaris before that or anything
They can't
And the navy themselves of course. What will the Sword Unit do about all this
Probably cause more revolts, just like when the revolutionaries went into marie jois
I want to see how Higuma reacts, the effects on impel down and the fishmen
and if Cobra is only the 12th head of the family it would be impossible for them to be the only family to ever rule Alabasta
Oh yea I heard rumors that aoikiji might actually be apart of sword
Don’t fall for that false propaganda
Lord Higuma 
And his brother Ziguma 
Aoikiji was kinda goated tho. Why join BB 😭
I would like to see more of Aokiji's motives and that conversation with BB he had
remember when akainu had the sword tattoo on his injured arm
Because bb is also goated
I wonder how this ties in to pursuing one's own justice
It should be possible, maybe they skipped generations lol went from Grandfather to Grandson
Or is this just a step for Aokiji towards something else
Wonder if Admirals have to join at some point
kuzan scarring that whole area
kinda funny
After this flashback I wonder if aokiji knows that teach is the son of rocks and he heard about god valley and that’s why he joined
Ohhhhh very interesting
Possibly
Guys if zoro could handle his own against nusjuro doesn’t that mean mihawk could also defeat one or two of the gorosei
now who in god valley would have known that was rocks son
How old was aoikiji at the time
One Piece: Kapitel 1124, Seite 6
Brother he says to.him
I was kinda chill with kizaru until he killed VP
Kuma maybe but when would they have talked
I doubt Zoro can tbh, not yet of course
I wanna see their new moves in elbaf. They still haven’t fought anyone seriously yet
i like how kuma is here next to teech
that mf is going to be trouble - kuma
thats all assuming kuma and teech mom taked and told him the truth
One is in prison, one became a yonko, one became a journalist, one is a soulless robot, one became part of a navy hunting organization
yes
also L from deathnote
kinda
Kuma never visited them iirc, just sent them somewhere to safety
Probably
I mean whatever Zoro has done so far you can assume Mihawk can do it better until they actually fight
Mihawk is probably my fav warlord
pie jpg
can mihawk love sanji more?
Mihawk cant even be close to best warlord when Moria exists
mihawk only loves his wine
Isn’t Moria dead anyways
🍷
No he's free now thanks to.perona
We dont know where he is tho
its kozuki moria to you
YES SIR
his farts must be disgusting
no wonder he travels alone
that's why he's so isolated
Never forget, I was the first to say it
Warlords is probably the worst idea the world government has ever had
How
Funniest theory rn is that ragnir conduct so much lightning because the squirrel is so fuzzy
Thats sick
I can't wait to see some named attacks from Loki
Crazy that Ragnir has been dormant for years and is still able to do smth like that
Carrot will wield Ragnir EoS
This still doesn’t feel real lol
I sometimes forget that it is
Kinda crazy that that seems to be the main reveal of the Yamato cover story too which…
lol
Well tbf it does feel a little odd because besides Moria being in Wano that one time there was no direct connection between him and the Kozuki from what I know
Have everyone take turns atp
and I dont really know what Oda plans to do with him being a Kozuki yet
It’s still the 10th silly
Jura has written X character is a kozuki member for every character in the wiki. Then when Moria was revealed he erased every other message. So much dedication
it’d be kind of funny if moria being a kozuki just never comes up again
Oda just wanted to justify the rest of the cover story being a nothingburger

loki fan art eh?
oh look at the time, I need to sleep
“I know the cover story sucked but here’s Moria lore”
Guess who sent it
It’s 75% Socrates, 20% vortex 5% other people
it would be crazy funny if it turned out loki was on par with kid
Kidd is on par with Sommers
i was mainly making fun of toei making animal shaped haki
This isn’t even a squirrel
Yeah it's supposed to be portraying Loki's devil fruit
It would be crazy funny if it turned out Loki is stronger than Shanks
would it tho?
shanks haki is so strong he made kidd hallucinate seeing a griffon made of pure energy
I dunno depends on what you find funny
Ngl where did that even come from
Is his sword named griffon?
toei hype visuals

thats the only reasonable thing i can think of
as if shanks aint hype enough already
thats why i think it was over the top
and ill die on this hill
it's the amount that loki has been hyped and the amount Kid has been slandered.
shanks gets both hype and slander, it wouldn't feel the same
it's more of a "HA! I WAS RIGHT!! LOKI ON TOP"
The fact that Shanks is portrayed as stronger than almost anyone and then Loki comes in after being revealed 60 chapters ago and making him look fodder
I think the only thing was that his last name could be read as moonlight in Japanese
common anime trope
It's more of a "Wow Oda's golden boy has been dethroned
"
Not really especially after people try to act like Loki is sub-Aramaki a few months ago
that's more shocking than funny
The shock is what's so funny to me
Loki being on par with Shanks is more confusing than funny
I can already see all the toadgashi memes and I hate it
Kidd*
For what scenario
loki being stronger than shanks
Oh yeah I can see toadgashi making memes for Loki being weaker too ngl
Dude can make memes out of anything
the funny part is oda has build up hype up buff up shanks all these years
then throws a new character in this arc
and say this guy is powerful than shanks
cant wait for the dumpster fire that will cause
he can, but they're kinda shit
he's like that local newspaper artist that makes political satire, but for one piece
A meme like this would be hilarious where Oda is the mother and Shanks is the hurt kid crying about being weaker than Loki
Yeah most of the time
did oda give shanks a sob story yet?
But that’s not a cloud
yeah. when he had to leave his lover behind
I mean he was born on an island that was genocided
Good enough ig
yeah but he dint experience that by that he dont remember
shanks himself was not sad
the baby was jolly most of the time
Yeah he had no real interaction with anything
Nobody was trying to even kill him either
They were all trying to protect him lmao
Don't worry the Loki hype is just scoop up anyone unaware
It was just about who got him and who didn't
you can barely tell or remember what's going on at that age
And was kidnapped by pirates since a young age and when his family tried to get him they beat up the saviours
atm the sad moments are herald dying
and roger moment where he cried
i cant even tell how sad shanks was breaking off with buggy
now im still thinking where oda will squeeze in more sob stories
why do you think he drinks?
prob in current time not the past
he misses his boy buggy
dont worry they will meet again in laughtale
Buggy x Shanks gay couple is actually so fire
they were meant to be, but destiny tore them apart
anyways, I told chat I was going to bed ages ago. I really should sleep
buggy was right about he was suppose to be the next roger
but roger had other plans
Shanks is the ace of his generation
Could luffy beat gaban rn?
So is makino a surrogate mother?
Uhhh not if there’s no kid
I wish there was no Kidd
Would be such a good manga
Tbf there hasn’t been for a while
And it’s been great
Question
Do yall think Issho will go to SWORD, the Revolutionary Army, or something else?
I think if he were to go somewhere he’d go to SWORD
i could see sengoku saving law
I could see him drowning law
Save him from his sad existence
Maybe, I think if he does he will be the new leader of it and it'll be the part that splits from the main Marines during the upcoming war
😏
Loha!
That is a much better explanation
Its in character for Kuzan to explain it weirdly though lol
just saw the news

Hype
would be based
I don’t think this is allowed
If you want to make a joke about Usopp being kicked by a little girl it has to be Tama
Poor Ussop the most stagnant character in op
i just saw a top 10 with 5 honorable mentions and i nearly died from rage
if sanjuan wolf fights someone and they each get one of the giant swords will chekov be happy
people think he gonna fight franky 
of course that would make sanjuan wolf a swordsman
franky or robin seem like the two options
its not gonna be loki probably cause hes got ragnir
franky cant even reach his knees
mechs with giants swords is a thing tho
yes
acting like sizes matter
what else is there for franky
reuiniting with senor pink
he doesnt even have haki lulw

I mean if you think Franky is too weak to fight anyone theres no point anyway
I do like Franky but he has similar issues as Chopper has
Where his peak was so good and early he fails to every reach it ever again
So you just feel bad for him gradually as time goes on
This server feels so weird because it sort of opened my eyes to how indifferent feel about him here generally
hes above average sh for me
You?
wranky needs more cool moments 🥺
Or the people
I mean I really loved him a lot on first read
What is the subject
Just Franky.
he's the top 5 to me
How I felt that he peaked too early and hasn't really been able to live up to that sort of high since imo
What is the subject here
A word is missing
Idk maybe I never noticed but I don't see many people who are super into Franky here. Or maybe I'm not here often as I'd like.
I always felt he was an extremely popular SH on first read
Oh so you mean the people here
Franky needs not haki
He’s probably the Strawhat people have the most positive things to say about by volume
Only more power
Seastone plating
The only people shitting on Franky are dorks
That too
And those people shit on everyone and everything because they’re miserable illiterate dogs
Am I a dork
So who cares what they think anyway
Yes
Take from Zephyr's book on that
Erase him from history
and also make Zephyr canon
You MAY have a singular bad opinion but 
I mean im just genuinely just probably just underestimating Franky's fandom quite a bit
No
Yes
If its the Yamato Zoro Yonko thing, I'll die on that hill
We dont have to talk about this, Spice just opened this topic to have the chat shit on Franky but we can just close
What thing is that
Yamato and Zoro are low yonko level
Lets just agree Franky fights Sanjuan Wolf or another bb member and the sizes dont matter
I believe Yamato and Zoro should be considered Yonkos even at a lower level
Spice is an irony coated misanthrope 
Spice isn't a real person
I love him. That’s pookie.
But like
When has spice ever had a genuine opinion on anything ever lol
Jesus Burgress vs Franky part 1
spice only ragebaits because he has no original or genuinge opinions
OK, that is bad
I didnt want to sound negative, I just think Im moreso on a opinion that Franky sort of decreased in intrigue for me as time went by.
We’ve had opponent swaps plenty of times before. I could see it for sure.
Only Wranky could have the 2 potentially strongest bb members as his matchup candidates
He was incredible in Dressrosa and Onigashima IMO
They have to pass admiral first
Like dude
Well its hard to really not like Wano Franky
Zoro has to pass Sommers first #tbh
Zoro barely outta the commander level. Yamato is just about nearing admrials
But like, I think I liked the stuff with Brook going on a bit more against Black Maria and such
Sanji will neg Sommers
Yknow I think I like Brook a lot more nowadays
I think its just me switching Franky intrigue with Brook
He doesn't need it to kick him into the sun
Zoro should be there too if he takes Gabans help to heart
Zoro isn't smart enough
He'll see Sanji do it then understand
I definitely want Franky and Burgress showdown before Robin swoops in and fights him head on in a part 2.
Thats why he wasnt there yet and why Gaban scolded him
Sanji will get ACoC this arc but Zoro will learn how to use ACoC better and they'll still end up equals
Sanji isnt getting Acoc. PoL is the meta for Sanji
Why would this logically be the case at all
I still kinda want Kuzan and Saul to swoop in Elbaf and try taking Robin
Sanji has brain
Gaban is going to tell him something about not having coc doesn't matter when love is all you need, blah blah blah its a hurricane
Zoro has neg IQ
Sanji will be better at it and still only equal to Zoro? He's cooked
You see, I can disprove this
The bait is lowk annoying

Zoro is battle smart
Do it adam
Tell me Zoro is dumb again
Patrick Star when he says something smart for once during the early seasons
The entire purpose of the Dressrosa trip from an in-narrative perspective was to destroy the SMILE Factory. Beating Doflamingo and freeing Dressrosa was NOT the plan. The only mission was destroying the plant, and as Law admitted later, he they didnt even have to make it out alive, as Kaido would probably end up killing Doflamingo for the fuck-up anyway. Luffy beating Doffy was completely unplanned. Luffy FIGHTING Doffy even, was unplanned. The ENTIRE crux of Law’s plan and mission was that factory.
But our boy Luffy?? You know what he does with plans. There’s some other shit that needs to be taken care of. But god damn, the factory is still THE singular objective of the alliance at this point. And who does Luffy look to to take care of this mission on their entire lonesome?
Cutty Fucking Flam. Iron Man Franky. He looks at his dawg and asks him straight up. “Can you handle the singular objective of the entire mission for us” “Duh. I got you, Captain”.
Do not talk down Dressrosa Franky.
Either that or Mihawk did a lobotomy
Or he's still just smart
Why did Oda retcon Zoro😔
Yeah I think Franky is probably still cool.
TRUE
Also can't wait for Loki to kill one of the HKs again
But I think I like the Pre TS flavor a bit.
Oda replaced zoro
These people are lowk light work since they don't have ACoC
Maybe im an old fart, what do I know
I liked his proportions more pre timeskip, but that’s really it
All of them suck
I like Franky's pre ts design more
His design was definitely better for sure
None of the HKs right now are good
Okay
but he's relatively the same guy otherwise
But thinking back I think his TS design is more consistently better
Sommers is a chump
I guess bro
He really is
Sanji and Zoro negs Sommers and Killingham
now dorry and broggy on the other hand
That's a fight
Everytime you mention Sommers I feel a dark force within me that says I should bring up an old message of yours
After like, Dressrosa, his actual fits and hair start to look a lot better IMO
The less screen time he has the better his fits got. Ain’t that a shame 😭
Loki and Luffy vs Imu will be so good
They low diffing Gunko Imu
We haven't even seen any named attacks from Loki so this is barely anything of what he has to offer
So peak
I wanna see him fight soon
Against jobbers
sadly for you we won't see him at 100 % he is nerfed
unless chopper do magic
Yeah I know
But we'll see him fight for once which is what I'm hoping for
He'll still neg the knights
Not in Elbaf at least but Chopper may just be the better doctor than Gerd and know something (or Loki gets Imu'd)
True I doubt he has a muscle muscle fruit this is all his natural strength in a different animal form
If the reason he needed the fruit was for base boosted stats. His stats are base boosted no matter what form he has
Chopper is probably a much better doctor than Gerd, maybe he still has some mink meth stored from the Wano days
Guys are there really like 3 different ways how Imu takes control of someone
Yeah
Probably does. Zou was less than a month ago in universe
Just like Nami proved to be the better Navigator than Road (Sanji got cook mogged by the goat tho, Gol D. Berg)
I mean I figure everyone in the strawhats is probably within the top 3 or 4 on the planet at their respective roles
Usopp is top 1 liar
Like Nami is probably a top 3 navigator, Usopp is only really behind Augur and his dad, Chopper might only be behind 1 or 2 doctors as well
Usopp’s ultimate fear of lying will be gaslighting Imu into thinking he’s actually Joy Boy
Doc Q is a cheater
Thats slanderous
he is totally cheating
How can we accuse him of cheating
he has df magic
Hes a 60+ rotting man
Performance enhancing fruit
He was actually a skilled chemist prior
He clearly knows how to make these diseases at least on a very technical level
I'm sure he was but not as good as Chopper
doctor scaling
The Doc Q flashback that shows that he cured the Roger giga death cancer even though Roger died from it anyway
sadly they all lose to the final villain
The only competition seems to always be Redhair or BB pirates, maybe Heart Pirates, so I enjoy the New Giant Pirates offering a few more characters with those roles again even if they already belong to the strawhats and are outclassed by them
king of the doctahs
Oh yeah Franky might be the literal best shipwright around, generally the crew is pretty stacked
is Brook the best uhh musician
Get ready for awakened Plague GOD Doc Q
Well he is famous
Chopper and Franky have to overcome a whole scientist group though
Brook has a whole persona with his music now
Hes the most popular
Brook is an entire ass celebrity
Thought this was Loki for a second
These thumbnails are so goofy
Thats not even his hand
They literally just grabbed Luffy's hand and gave it to him
They couldve literally just used a pic where Doc Q holds an apple and drawn it like a df
it is ai generate
No
You can tell this was made with soul
what software do youtuber use to eidt thumbnails
photoshop, gimp, krita i guess?
I used photoshop and paint
gimp is a good middle ground between pdn and photoshop
Chatgpt
What’s gimp 
@chatgpt generate me an anti-eustass kid thumbnail filled with agenda and slander
ngl i kinda want to see what it does with this
It’s on the way
ok bro chat gpt is on the kid agenda or something
it starts to make something and then just says they cant do it for harassment
at least i can sleep fine that slander isnt something ai can take our jobs over
We crack photoshop bro
Just shows you a regular manga panel
im not an artist, pdn is good enough for like 95% of my art needs and gimp handles the most complex 5%. Im not sure what id even do with photoshop
most of what i make is pixel or placeholder art anyway
This reminds me for one of my classes I have to a project on a fandom phenomenon. I might just do it on Agenda Piece
I cannot wait to introduce my class to haki knots
Peak
Explain the mihawk shanks debate to them 🙏
I did a project on poetry and chose a quote from one piece
I don’t think the teacher realized it came from a manga
It’s the best thing that has happened involving dragon and it’s not even him saying it
Did you pay royalties to Oda
Yall ready for chapter week?
There were some funny Marco memes during Wano
Nigga goes to college
to get more knowledge
Hahah I ain't banned Hapoy news☺️☺️☺️
Staff is frauds
This lowkey would have been a better message than what it actually was 😔
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same as me
😂 😂
🙁 i can totally see someone using this
kid>law
If kid died to shanks he's above law imo
That's the kind of arc I can appreciate
Reckless fighter who keeps getting in trouble never changes and finally encounters something he can't bounce back from. That's a complete story arc
Thing is, Kid is the type of character that you could literally just randomly reintroduce at any point in the arc and it’d probably feel natural lol. I don’t think the expectations for where and how he fits into the remaining story really matters anymore
If he does come back I want significant changes. He needs a new goal or new approach or new something. I'll hate it if he's just pretty much the same as before
I feel the opposite, it will suck if he goes full moria.
Ya getting 1 shot by shanks and not ben Beckman will change his mindset
I think it's important for things to matter. And causing character changes is one way the fight can matter
I don't want the fight to have been hollow and relatively meaningless opportunity for shanks glaze and little more than that
Idk, I want him to reflect but I also think his tenacity and ambition even tho he constantly loses is kind of what makes him who he is. I do think there will be some genuine reflection tho, especially if any of his crew actually died
yeah
I guess it's also a complete story arc for him to continue on despite his cause having become hopeless but I'm not sure how that concludes
kid suffers a major setback
goes on the background while getting stronger
comes back stronger
easy writing
whatever oda has in mind
Well kid only sort of powerup he needs is haki
He wants kop, and he can't get it
Luffy doesn't especially care about the wg
But luffy can get kop
Kid can still try
Sure but what does that amount to? Fighting luffy and losing? Like what conclusion comes out of that?
we know he probably wont get it but if he gets stronger nothing wrong with him trying again
or else oda just stops writing it all lol
no more pirates because in the end everybody loses to luffy
He just keeps trying and failing into the epilogue?
I mean thats whats going to happen to everyone because he's the protagonist
he probably just loses in a way that isnt as flashy as his shanks one
he can be another big pirate on the world, just not kop
thats basically what everyone else will do too
Yeah
Well yeah I guess I could have said become hostile/antagonistic it's not about losing per se it's more about what is he going to pursue and will come of him pursuing that
and he can still find something to focus on
I think eustass is an archetypal rival character who will keep trying even if he loses
Or eventually do his own thing but still butt heads like wb/ roger
typing that made my skin crawl i hate the generational parrallels 😭
But I guess that's a good example because wb at least could pursue his goals yknow
I think he's supposed to be stronger than a character like Bellamy who settles down after they're beat. He'll probably go through the motions like luffy did after marineford, but he'll die with a black flag before he raises a white one.
Wb and rogers goals not mutually exclusive
Once luffy gets kop is he content to go for... second place..also arrived
I think if he loses the race for pirate king he'll just find some other goal.
sorry when he loses
I guess what I'm saying is if that's inevitable I'd prefer he get a new goal after his loss with shanks so that can actually take place in main story a bit
Kidd is dead btw
Im fine with that so long as its not like giving up totally, if he wants revenge on shanks and thats his new thing then well on him
I like kid being dead but I think 60% he's alive
I think 80% he's dead
Oda hates to kill ppl though
chekhov's giant sword needs a wielder and hes the only one that can do it
Not really
yes really
Loki probably can

barely beat the squirrel. Chekhov's second giant sword is for a true pirate
socrates stuck between loki using the sword and giving up ragnir or keeping ragnir and losing the sword to kid
Ragnir is sentient so it can just use itself
1 legendary weapon per customer unless you're zoro
the sword is like 1000x times larger than loki
Barely as a teenager
He was 16 years old
Top tier assumption
I wish I could assume whatever I want like you

low ranked assumer
You wanna spread around the cool. There's diminishing returns on giving someone a secondary weapon
Also he has the legendary fruit
It'd be such overkill he has enough
Yeah
Not really overkill
That's just his return his bloodline and relations to crazy people
As a kid he was arguably stronger than Rocks and Harald after beating Ragnir
Legendary fruit and two different legendary weapons? Bro needs to share some of the exciting powers. Leave the sword for someone else. Or give away the hammer first
Ragnir isn't legendary
don’t forget his cursed magic eyes
I'm saying Kidd isn't the only one that can wield that since Loki can
Idk about legendary as like a a specific grade or verbiage but its absolutely legendary from the colloquial meaning
i mean i think we can assume it’s on a similar level
It's wrapped up in legends that makes it legendary
harald says he’ll take up ragnir and eat the fruit
so they’re equally infamous
well maybe not equally since loki apparently didn’t know it
But yeah you also mentioned the eyes. Point is lokis got plenty. Each additional thing you get suffers increasing diminishing returns. Better to give out to someone else who it'll have a bigger impact on
does anyone know if luffy mentioned wanting to sail the grand line to meet everyone they've seen again? if so, which chapter?
That's not what legendary means
Legendary is an adjective describing the status of something being a legend
i think that objectively is what legendary means lol
That literally isn't
If Shanks tries to guard the Nika fruit does that make him legendary
if he does it for 800 years
the legendary guardian




