also-manga

[ornate tartan]

wtf yall comparing armament to conquerors?😂

[high wolf]

Yo krome

[clever idol]

Yea we should stick to calling ryuo by its own defintion cuz of the vonfusion

But theres no good abbreviation for advanced armament

[cosmic hamlet]

The principle behind ACoA and ACoC

[fringe escarp]

In any case flow being Acoc build up to me is below the bare minimum

[clever idol]

Acoa

Forgot that one

[high wolf]

Yeah fr

ACoC kinda came out of nowhere ngl

[cosmic hamlet]

ACoA

[fringe escarp]

It doesn’t even make sense as Acoc

[pulsar timber]

Cocting

[cosmic hamlet]

Internal destruction is also fine

[fringe escarp]

It’s just worse armament I genuinely don’t know what they were thinking

[dense haven]

yall ready for the first chapter of 2026?

[fringe escarp]

Acoc has nothing to do with coc conceptually 😭

[ornate tartan]

yessir

[high wolf]

It's gonna be Ussop unlocking ACoC

[cosmic hamlet]

Thats true but come on CoC is ass pre ACoC

[rose rune]

eyyyy! I found my old ass animelist profile

[ornate tartan]

crazy take
even fodders have Acoa

[cosmic hamlet]

110 completed wow

[ornate tartan]

i’m not even gonna call the scabbard fodder but Boa Hancock sister is an Acoa user😂😂

[fringe escarp]

And? Having a adv haki doesn’t make you strong

[clever idol]

It actually does. If the baseline is that u can knock others put with it then the next step being actively harming them makes sense sincr it could originally affect thr body anywau

[high wolf]

It was cool.

[cosmic hamlet]

Back then it's hard to find a completed anime and you got 110

[rose rune]

it's more now. I haven't logged in since 2018

[spice cairn]

Not bad

[cosmic hamlet]

What does it even do? Just knockout fodders

[cosmic hamlet]

My emphasis is more on "completed". How did you find that many that are completed

[rose rune]

these are numbers

[scenic dirge]

CoC was way cooler pre ACoC

Coz it was more symbolic

And that’s facts

[rose rune]

shows usually are around 13-26 episodes

some of those are probably movies as well

[cosmic hamlet]

You watch all types of genres?

[alpine trench]

total manga including planning apparently

[fringe escarp]

Conquerors was about overwhelming your opponents so much they can’t even stand in your presence. The logical next step is akin to what shanks uses on greenbull or on film red

[high wolf]

I still thought it was pretty cool.

Luffy Knocking out Fodders on FMI

Doflamingo and Luffy Clash.

And my fav, Katakuri and Luffy's CoC clash.

[rose rune]

when I was young I watched just about everything no matter how shit it was

[cosmic hamlet]

Yes but that power is pretty much useless in an actual combat for luffy and not helping him

[fringe escarp]

Also I would take coc being a aura farming move over what we got with Acoc

[high wolf]

True.

But it was sick asf 😭

[rose rune]

I also like old series, so there are several old gundam series among those that I've watched there

[fringe escarp]

Acoc actively hurts discussions about the story

[cosmic hamlet]

Idk how young we are talking here

[ornate tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-haki-868-blownlee-katakuri-gif-13267208

[cosmic hamlet]

For aura farming yeah but that's about it

[cosmic hamlet]

[rose rune]

I started downloading series after I bought my own computer, so I was around 14-15 at the time

[high wolf]

This shit had me JUMPING when I first watched this 😭

Didn't expect it.

[cosmic hamlet]

I used to use TV Time for tracking but stopped long back

[stray prism]

just a little bit of disparity between anime and manga

[high wolf]

Yeah

[rose rune]

I hadn't updated the manga list at all

[cosmic hamlet]

Isn't that like before 1995?

[alpine trench]

havent seen a lot of anime but i've read a ton of manga

[scenic dirge]

When CoC was purely just the badasses of the series imposing their will and dominance on the bitches of the series, it was so cool. Dude ACoC fucking sucks man

[rose rune]

damn. how old do you think I am?

[dense haven]

stfu evan

[alpine trench]

well, i've seen a ton but still

[cosmic hamlet]

45?

[dense haven]

coc was always lame

[high wolf]

So true.

[novel berry]

we can’t even tell if they’re using it or not

[scenic dirge]

Nah it used to be literal aura

[pulsar timber]

[scenic dirge]

LITERAL aura

[stray prism]

i find manga harder to get into tbh

[cosmic hamlet]

Oh wait i remember now, you are like 36

[dense haven]

knocking out fodder is not aura

[scenic dirge]

It is

[rose rune]

yeeee

[cosmic hamlet]

So it was around 2005

[rose rune]

I find it easier, I've probably read more manga than I have watched anime

[ornate tartan]

observation is the worst haki imo
it’s too similar to its advanced version

[alpine trench]

like every other anilist/MAL screenshot yeah

[scenic dirge]

I knew ACoC was coming too. But I’m still not a fan

[cosmic hamlet]

I need a kick start with anime and then i can continue with manga after season 1 of anime

[rose rune]

2005 was when I caught up to one piece

[fringe escarp]

Acoc genuinely neuters discussions because ppl completely misread the story and spread it like fact

[high wolf]

CoC had AURA.

Now, Every top tier has ACoC and it doesn't feel special anymore.

[fringe escarp]

Ppl still think Kaido said Acoc is the strongest power 😭

Or that Acoc is no touch

[novel berry]

every top tier SHOULD have Acoc

[ornate tartan]

he was talking about haki in general

[novel berry]

“why are there world class athletes in the olympics”

[cosmic hamlet]

Which arc was it when you caught up?

[high wolf]

Yeah, and that's why it doesn't feel special.

[ornate tartan]

but conq is the strongest haki so that’s what people thought he was talking about

[rose rune]

I think it was the end of water 7/start of enies lobby

[fringe escarp]

Conquerors has never been said to be the strongest though

[glacial bear]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-elizabello-one-piece-elisabello-one-piece-king-punch-one-piece-pica-one-piece-gif-24812110

[scenic dirge]

Everyone call thigh old RIGHT NOW

[ornate tartan]

it literally is

[fringe escarp]

No not really

[rose rune]

https://tenor.com/view/back-pain-old-man-gif-9142855911073346397

[glacial bear]

He has color of the supreme king and he’s a literal king!

[ornate tartan]

armament is inferior to conquerors haki

[cosmic hamlet]

Damn, must have been hard reading weekly for enies lobby, such a thriller

[fringe escarp]

Armament is explicitly more relevant in combat than acoc

[rose rune]

I originally watched the anime

[high wolf]

Lightning effect.......

ACoC?

[novel berry]

it already feels special as is just compare that fact to the rest of the verse

[scenic dirge]

Well that’s mostly because more people have access to armament

[fringe escarp]

That’s like glazing Zoro’s gorilla arms compared to gear 2

[alpine trench]

because more people know how to use armament than acoc

[vital heart]

@alpine trench Aloha!

[cosmic hamlet]

Makes sense, back then anime was popular

[alpine trench]

its obviously gonna be more relevant in a combat scenario

[fringe escarp]

But it was never emphasized that armament is a inferior ability despite that bro that’s my point

[high wolf]

I don't feel like it's special anymore.

[scenic dirge]

For those that have ACoC, it’s likely going to be a much more powerful amplifier to their attacks

[vital heart]

@rose rune Let me think.

[scenic dirge]

No

[fringe escarp]

I’m sure it’s higher AP

[scenic dirge]

You’re not allowed to think

[icy wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-blackbeard-haki-evil-laugh-one-piece-blackbeard-haki-gif-8010676475224775922

[glacial bear]

https://tenor.com/view/elizabello-elizabello-one-piece-one-piece-dressrosa-crown-gif-18074159071161643928

No doubt about it

[fringe escarp]

But armament has far better hax

[glacial bear]

Joyboy level Haki

[vital heart]

Luffy beats Gunko in Elbaf

Imu kills Gunko as punishment, she shrivels up like Saturn

In the Final War, Brook awakens his fruit, unlocking a second revive

He uses it on Gunko so they can live happily ever after

The catch? Since she shriveled up, she's also a skeleton!

Two skeletons living together in happiness now that Imu's defeated!

Yohohoho

The Reheated Nachos Theory

[vital heart]

@rose rune @scenic dirge

[alpine trench]

acoc is for sure implied to be the one with a greater damage dealing potential

[high wolf]

BB upscale 🐐

[alpine trench]

that sounds dumb as fuck meek

[fringe escarp]

Being able to negate certain fruit abilities and damage logias and bypassing durability is insanely OP

[cosmic hamlet]

Can we ban meek until he releases chapter

[fringe escarp]

Acoc just has AP and defense

[rose rune]

scans were ass back then, so reading manga was a pain

[fringe escarp]

Literal basic armament 😭

[ornate tartan]

lightning isn’t always conq
sometimes it’s armament

one thing that conq always has is the zzt sound and a thick trail

[vital heart]

!bisoromibear

[prisma yacht]

Imu kills gunko as punishment ✋

[vital heart]

!bisoromi

[high wolf]

King elizabeth upscale or whatever his name his name is 🐐

[icy wolf]

real peak writing is brook awakening his fruit and reviving the 3 characters that have died in the series removing all emotional weight

[vital heart]

!choche

[alpine trench]

!godsofpirate

[tropic nova]

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/NHj-akUMx-UxKF_SYSYvpo735tsfFfcAnz567SIFNno/https/media.discordapp.net/attachments/164971940648321024/426453180621127693/Screen_Shot_2018-03-22_at_18.52.29.png

[glacial bear]

Yessss

[vital heart]

💀

[vital heart]

@cosmic hamlet

[fringe escarp]

Actually armament has the zzt and thick trail too

And Acoc can lack both

[cosmic hamlet]

I remember people saying how worse it was before jaminisbox

[novel berry]

i don’t think imu will just be constantly killing his own. Saturn was killed because he defied imus order from not disposing of the robot that gave him ptsd

[high wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/blackbeard-blackbeard-writing-taking-notes-writing-gif-17583038544116987898

[cosmic hamlet]

Is that really a thing? 😭

[rose rune]

canon

[novel berry]

and for the things that happened in egghead

[fringe escarp]

Acoc doesn’t have a real indicator that’s reliable and consistent

[rose rune]

the biggest issue was everything looking like a scuffed atari game

pixels for days

[alpine trench]

it doesnt, it also doesnt emanate from the user's weapon or fist directly instead its imbued around the user's weapon or fist

[cosmic hamlet]

Don't tell me, this was translated by meek?

[high wolf]

Oda was drawing it in wano. But he stopped it after.

[scenic dirge]

I do think Gunko will die yea, but I think she’s gonna do some final act of defiance against Imu to sacrifice herself

[fringe escarp]

It’s inconsistent in wano

That’s where my most explicit examples come from

[ornate tartan]

the colored manga makes it more distinguishable, i think at least

acoc is just one color
armament has black mixed in it

1010 luffy also had black in his lighting streaks, and Garp also had black in his galaxy impact in hachinosu

either way the shit is just confusing as hell and Oda should have done a better job distinguishing the 2

[cosmic hamlet]

Damn, makes sense why so many prefer anime back then

[fringe escarp]

Ulti had the ZZT sfx and thick trails

[rose rune]

Oda won't be able to kill her off

[scenic dirge]

He will trust

Unless he doesn’t

Then don’t trust

But still trust

[rose rune]

never trust

just enjoy the ride

[alpine trench]

very clearly ACOC because oh how thick the trail is

[high wolf]

Wano has the most consistent ACoC writing. And it's still bad 😭

That's just how you know ACoC is a terrible 😭💔

[alpine trench]

the streaks are coming out of the weapon itself and not around it

[novel berry]

so the squirrel has acoc?

[vital heart]

Debatable. It's a very averaged sized thickness.

[alpine trench]

loki is imbuing acoc to the hammer

[cosmic hamlet]

[high wolf]

More like Loki

[alpine trench]

i'm not debating anything with you meek

[vital heart]

She'll become a skeleton, Brook revives her. Two skeletons living with Laboon

[alpine trench]

its a waste of time

[ornate tartan]

Rocks wasnt even using Hardening when he was cutting up Imusaturn body

I know that base armament and hardening are different but there wasn’t any indicator of him using conq either😂😂

[dense haven]

I hope ragnig has acoc

[alpine trench]

why

[tranquil blade]

Are you trying to debate how thick a streak is for it to be acoc

[cosmic hamlet]

Same as koby?

[vital heart]

well

[scenic dirge]

https://tenor.com/view/image-gif-1432406106788383548

[vital heart]

Did a mod remove my embed perms

[high wolf]

Holy COOK

[vital heart]

why cant I send an image

[vital heart]

Now this is a thick streak.

[cosmic hamlet]

brook revives her

How exactly?

[vital heart]

Awakening

[unique lagoon]

its over for gunko buddy
she will get the life suck out of her
but ruins imus plan first ofc

[glacial bear]

Which means 2 new god knights possibly 3 if Sommers dies since he & Gunko are part of the old guard

[muted hedge]

it's funny that people scale haki based on how thick it is

[vital heart]

Brook's awakening is to either be able to revive himself a SECOND time or to use it on someone else.

[high wolf]

Ikr 😭

[gloomy tree]

Oda is against reviving

[dense haven]

its all in the girth

[vital heart]

Well why did he revive Brook then?

[muted hedge]

that's a real girthy haki streak right there

[vital heart]

Smh

[cosmic hamlet]

[golden valley]

Uhhh, do you realize ragnir is bigger than Roger and Garp right

[unique lagoon]

brook will exchange his soul to save gunko
first ever SH that dies

[vital heart]

It's all relative

[golden valley]

No sir

[high wolf]

He needs to kill off characters first.

[ornate tartan]

when rocks cut up Imu i assumed he was using armament just not hardening. I also have no idea whether he was using coc because oda didn’t make it clear

[cosmic hamlet]

I have seen people scale based on how many exclamations are used in text

[alpine trench]

acoc vs regular armament

[golden valley]

That streak from Loki w/ Ragnir is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay thicker than Roger and WB’s

[high wolf]

😭

[rose rune]

oh lol. I know why I haven't used myanimelist since 2018. it still uses my old hotmail address

[vital heart]

WHAT

2018

THATS 8 YEARS AGO!

[cosmic hamlet]

You weren't born then

[unique lagoon]

is this the same with that

[rose rune]

https://tenor.com/view/2004-years-later-gif-26948265

[remote maple]

2002 was 10 years ago

[ornate tartan]

get ready for the discourse when sanji uses it for the first time

u don’t remember people calling Gaban an armament demon?😂

[alpine trench]

yes, that's acoc

[glacial bear]

https://tenor.com/view/haki-pooh-kingdom-hearts-one-piece-conquerors-haki-gif-14883994394841365437

[scenic dirge]

I don’t necessarily think Sommers dies here. He’s kind of a cockroach. I think if he dies it might come later when Imu is defeated and all these fuckers lose their powers

[high wolf]

That shit was SO BAD 😭💔

[scenic dirge]

And shrivel away

[vital heart]

agreed

[cosmic hamlet]

If sanji kick gets a controversial lightning around his leg in elbaf. This chat will be wild

[alpine trench]

regular armament imbued honesty impact with koby vs garp's acoc imbued galaxy divide

[alpine trench]

but yeah

whatever

[high wolf]

Ik

[vital heart]

sommers is the "Team Rocket" of the holy knights.

shamrock = team magma/aqua
gunko = team galactic
sommers = team rocket...

sommers is giving James Jessie and Meowth. If you know what i mean @scenic dirge

[scenic dirge]

Lmao

[unique lagoon]

guess this is the latest example of CoC attacks

[scenic dirge]

Nice

[cosmic hamlet]

He is so annoying please kill him

[vernal ravine]

koby one is advance armament

[alpine trench]

evan cant

[alpine trench]

no

[vernal ravine]

it literally is how it works

[alpine trench]

it very clearly isn't empirically

[scenic dirge]

I’ll try my best

[alpine trench]

but anyway

[fringe escarp]

BUT THICKNESS IS .2 MM OFF

ITS NOT ACOC HES HOLDING BACK

[high wolf]

I love how Confidently wrong he is 😭🙏

[unique lagoon]

oh so you guys are debating about acoa or acoc?

both?

[alpine trench]

there's no debate

[vital heart]

Koby used ACOC here lmao

[fringe escarp]

How to know Acoc is being used

1. Can they use Acoc

2. Do they have brain cells

If both are true they’re using Acoc

[alpine trench]

that's just armament

[high wolf]

Koby doesn't know any advanced type of haki, if I had to assume.

[prisma yacht]

I think it started with loki using acoc

[vital heart]

Harsh. You think Koby can defeat a Holy Knight/Gorosei without ACOC?

Obviously not.

He needs ACOC. He has ACOC. He used ACOC.

[alpine trench]

shut the fuck up

[unique lagoon]

well it was suppose to be koby unlocking a new ability ye?

[cosmic hamlet]

Sleepy gn 😴

[prisma yacht]

Gn

[ornate tartan]

armament is more creative and protects u from making contact which is clutch, the advanced version of it

[high wolf]

He WILL GET ACoC.

[fringe escarp]

And ofc fruit negation

[unique lagoon]

oda needs to explain whats the difference between CoC defense and CoA defense

[fringe escarp]

Coc defense is aura

[unique lagoon]

why are they basically the same now

i mean in detail ecto

what does it defend from? the same shit?

[fringe escarp]

Yes

Armament defends from anything

[unique lagoon]

got to be more creative than that oda

[fringe escarp]

It’s just a durability buff

[unique lagoon]

surely theres more to it
i guess CoC defense also defends from devil fruits

[fringe escarp]

Acoc is basically a AP and Def buff with very VERY few and niche hax related effects

[vital heart]

Wow guys

Can I mention something crazy?

[fringe escarp]

Armament doesn’t specific defend vs fruits outside of fruit negation

[unique lagoon]

wait no law dint have CoC

so its not even that

[vital heart]

Let's go back 3-4 years in time. Early 2022 or Early 2023, doesn't matter.

Back then, we would have never expected the Holy Knights to be so relevant in the story. Not to mention how strong they are!

Isn't that insane how late in the story new revelations can come?

[fringe escarp]

This is all you need to absorb@unique lagoon

This is the only factual confirmed effects of Acoc

Armament is the only true counter to fruits

[ornate tartan]

the advanced version of conq i think is the least fulfilling because it’s just the ability to use conquerors on an attack

while future sight and internal destruction are steps above the base form

[unique lagoon]

so its plot buff

[fringe escarp]

P much just AP and dura

[unique lagoon]

oda can do whatever with CoC defense on what it can and cannot defend from

[fringe escarp]

Exactly

[unique lagoon]

heh sorry buddy for some reason my coc got stronger mid fight
GG NOOB

[fringe escarp]

IMO Acoc isn’t advanced

It’s way too fucking easy to learn

[ornate tartan]

maybe not

because it’s basically the same thing as coc

nothing changes except the ability to use it on your moves

[dense haven]

is the coc measuring contest over

[fringe escarp]

The only Acoc worth glazing is shanks being able to overwhelm opponents that are top tiers into not using their powers

[unique lagoon]

i much pref the idea that you can combine all 3 haki

[high wolf]

Yes

[unique lagoon]

oda just copy pasting coc and coa kinda ass

[dense haven]

why would you expect anything else from oda

[fringe escarp]

Acoc could be removed and the story is purely improved

[ornate tartan]

Kat for example as now vs King is an argument people have a lot, but if Kat who already has future sight also learned the ability of conquerors coating, who do u think would be superior

between those 2

[fringe escarp]

There’s already advanced forms of coc that are infinitely more interesting AND logical

Instead of “we have armament at home”

[vernal ravine]

literally the hk were just created to give another useful thing that isn't i am stronger with that to the ACOC

[fringe escarp]

And even then it’s the equivalent of the slow slow beam 😭

[tranquil blade]

Well armament is the coc coating at home now

[fringe escarp]

No not really

Armament has more than just AP and dura

Which are the single least unique buffs in the verse

Damn near everything buffs AP and dura

[cunning narwhal]

acoc is just armament but for cool people only

so lame

[fringe escarp]

Acoc isn’t even armament it’s just ment 😭

[dense haven]

what we need is coc haki ghosts

[fringe escarp]

Nah it’s actually arm

[vernal ravine]

to make knots

[tranquil blade]

What does armament have that coc cant do better now?

[fringe escarp]

Hax

[alpine trench]

Real high IQ hours here

[cunning narwhal]

acoc cant do no contact

[fringe escarp]

WAIT INKNOW YOU

[high wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/perona-one-piece-positive-thumbs-up-usopp-gif-2631637930594390476

[fossil nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-paulie-paulie-one-piece-rope-gif-25933386

[fringe escarp]

HOLY SHIT HARSH YOURE STILL HERE?

[high wolf]

Paulie Upscale 🔥🐐

[tranquil blade]

It literally can though

[alpine trench]

Ecto?

[fringe escarp]

YOOOOOO

[alpine trench]

Wait

Holy shit

Damn

[fossil nimbus]

roger and wb clash?

[alpine trench]

You’re back

[fringe escarp]

[alpine trench]

I didn’t even realise

Well

[cunning narwhal]

luffy was thinking about what hyogoro taught him for the final clash with kaido. you gotta use advanced armament on top of acoc for those acoc clashes

[fringe escarp]

Bro I didn’t even realize you were THAT harsh until I checked your actual username 😭

[alpine trench]

Yeah yeah

I’m still trucking along

[pulsar timber]

Wholesome reunion

[fringe escarp]

This server is a lot more different

Way more agenda pilled

I’m all for it

[alpine trench]

Well I’m not as active in this place anymore

[rose rune]

harsh is all about agenda

[high wolf]

What did you expect? We are One piece Fans.

[ornate tartan]

nah this server is cool even if its agenda

[alpine trench]

Don’t lump me in with you guys

[fringe escarp]

Growing up is realizing Usopp top tier jokes aren’t funny 😭

[fringe escarp]

LOL

[ornate tartan]

i’ve heard bda the youtuber server is crazy😂😂

[rose rune]

sorry harsh, it was too tempting

[alpine trench]

It is

[fringe escarp]

I was active there

It’s insane

[cunning narwhal]

now haki knots are the new big thing suddenly

[fringe escarp]

Harsh do I know you from here or BDA

[alpine trench]

https://tenor.com/view/luffy-duck-bird-meat-one-piece-gif-252036752951532494

[fossil nimbus]

The one piece is just a compilation of all the agenda

[high wolf]

They are 😭

[alpine trench]

Here, I have less than 100 messages in BDA

[ornate tartan]

i’ve seen scs from bda law server on twitter

that’s how crazy ts was😂

[fringe escarp]

It used to be way worse

[ornate tartan]

that one sanji fan

that got banned

[cunning narwhal]

whenever i check in its just politics 😭

[fringe escarp]

SUPER racist phobic all the ists 😭

[alpine trench]

Ishy got banned from BDA

[high wolf]

Ohh nah 😭

[alpine trench]

That’s how bad it is

[rose rune]

growing up is realizing glazing is just "my dad is stronger than yours"

[fringe escarp]

Remember when ppl said Acoc was the key vs lunarians LOOOOOOOOOOOOL

[alpine trench]

I mean

It bypassed King’s defenses

[tough igloo]

with his flames off

[tranquil blade]

That might be more a sign on how bad Ishy was

He truly was something

[fossil nimbus]

how did u gwt the captain role

[tranquil blade]

If he can get banned here and there

[alpine trench]

Yeah

It’s that bad

[high wolf]

That was with his flames off.

He still couldn't damage him with his flames on

[alpine trench]

20k messages

[ornate tartan]

i know another server

[fringe escarp]

I’ve changed since you last saw me

I’m anti Acoc pilled now so badly that I’m a fucking encyclopedia

[rose rune]

I applied on a whim and got accepted

oh wait

[fringe escarp]

I know every chapter Acoc was mentioned in

[alpine trench]

I don’t discuss OP as much anymore

[rose rune]

captain, not helper

[fossil nimbus]

i have 20k unfortunately

[alpine trench]

And also, goodbye I’m going to sleep

[fringe escarp]

I have hundreds of panels of haki lightning

[fringe escarp]

Gn bro good to see you

[alpine trench]

Then a mod can give you that role Mihawk stakeholder

[fossil nimbus]

alright thanks

[rose rune]

I just learned that either I'm stupid, or I can't give captain roles

one of these are true no matter what

[tidal ice]

What happened harsh

https://tenor.com/view/essica-monthly-squirrel-10th-gif-15366094121033477354

[fringe escarp]

Yknow a complaint about post ts I never got

The idea that every major fight was won with more haki and not creativity

[thick mango]

Do you think that's not accurate or it's not a problem

[fringe escarp]

It’s not accurate

Like at all

[trim lily]

haki is just one piece's way of scaling characters in a battle shonen

other popular battle shonen had a version, and op is no different

[fringe escarp]

Like let’s just ignore hody and Caesar since those were just ass 😭

Doffy? Bro got a new gear

He didn’t unlock a new haki to win he unlocked the power of uber

[trim lily]

its mostly recency bias

[fringe escarp]

WCI? He worked to gain future sight and then….needed Snakeman to close the gap 😭

[trim lily]

starting with kaido (technically big mom but it had its work arounds there) and being emphasized even more with the gorosei and regen

[fringe escarp]

Wano? Gained a new haki buff in armament…lost twice

Gained ANOTHER buff in acoc…lost twice and DIED the second time

Needed gear 5 to close the gap

[rose rune]

doffy was tired from bird caging

[trim lily]

i think most of my problems with haki stem from acoc lol

future sight is also a bit stupid but oda rarely uses it anyway

[fringe escarp]

The fanbase makes the issue worse because they’re stuck in 1010

They saw luffy in base slapping kaido around and said “oh yeah strongest buff of all time luffy yonko lvl kills everyone in the verse including big mom”

[golden valley]

Future sight is great

[fringe escarp]

“Please ignore luffy getting gaped twice after this and fucking dying”

[trim lily]

the kaido fight came down to both needing haki and a devil fruit

[trim lily]

i still hold only katakuri shouldve had it

[high wolf]

Ryuo is cool.
FS is Great.
ACoC is trash.

[fringe escarp]

P much

[trim lily]

if oda is going to make an ability as strong as it there should be a genuine reason for characters to never use it afterwards other than " :) they dont"

[fringe escarp]

Then what did a newly Acoc born luffy do?

Get molested by Kizaru and begged for gear 5 minutes to close the gap

AND STILL NEEDED UBER EATS 😭

KIZARU AINT EVEN AWAKENED

Bro has ONE adv haki

Luffy is the haki avatar and awakened his fruit

Needed a buffet served by a professional chef

[trim lily]

well you cant deny haki is becoming more and more important as the arcs go on

[fringe escarp]

If it’s haki assume they use it

[trim lily]

you cant do that with future sight

seeing the future is an absurdly powerful ability

[fringe escarp]

It is but it can be overcome by raw speed

Chapter 1001

[trim lily]

then show that

rather than never showing it at all

[fringe escarp]

Yeah I agree btw I’m just saying it’s safer to assume they’re using it than assuming they were all lobotomized

Remember when tashigi cut Monet

She visually showed zero armament

[thick mango]

I think youre right but i think the bit of truth is that its all generic combat stats theres no more like devil fruit rock paper scissors like you saw with croc and enel

[trim lily]

the natural weakness thing with logias can only go so far, hence why armament became a thing

devil fruits are one of my favourite parts of the series so im naturally biased against haki lol

[fringe escarp]

^^^ and fruit match ups still matter

[thick mango]

do they? Whats the most recent time where a fruit matchup really mattered other than the fruit being a generic source of combat stats/fighting style?

[golden valley]

then katakuri vs Luffy wouldn’t have been as cool

[strong junco]

I mean, i dont think speed matters a lot against future sight. For example: Akainu, one of the character with furure sight, if he fights against Kizaru, who doesnt got it. I domt think hes speed would matter

[pulsar timber]

akainu
future sight

[trim lily]

wasnt it a combination of speed and randomness for luffy vs katakuri

[strong junco]

Yeah buddy

[pulsar timber]

I didn’t know akainu had future sight

This is news to me

[trim lily]

anyway oda is introducing anti future sight technology with shanks so it wont be a problem anyway

[strong junco]

He modified his body like katakuri, so marco and vista coulent touch him

[trim lily]

thats not future sight its just seeing an attack coming lol

[strong junco]

Katakuri exactly the same

Did*

[pulsar timber]

One of the very first things kaido does on the roof is almost body Luffy who was using future sight, with pure speed

No katakuri did that because he isn’t an actual logia and thus needed to actually dodge

[strong junco]

Doesnt kaido have future sight to?

[pulsar timber]

He only used it once

[trim lily]

didnt luffy and kaido only use it once in that fight

[strong junco]

You can also touch Akainu, like Aokiji

[pulsar timber]

Luffy used it again, right before the hakai attack

[strong junco]

They both are just dumb. Future sight is way to powerful

[spice cairn]

Admiral glaze is so funny man

[strong junco]

When did i glaze him

[trim lily]

oh i guess he technically did

though zoro says the same so it might not be

unless we say he has it too

[spice cairn]

I mean you can probably overwhelm the senses with acoc anyways

[golden valley]

His body still works like a logia
He just does it against Haki attacks

[strong junco]

Thats why hes a special paramecia

[trim lily]

hes a logia in everything but name

(because oda forgot mochi isnt a natural thing)

[strong junco]

Thats why Akainu got future sight

[digital spear]

!michigan

[tropic nova]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/833428729266438194/928045002821615626/IMG_1858.png

[trim lily]

we should have a michigan logia

[spice cairn]

Florida Zoan

[unique lagoon]

was "Special paramecia" word actually used? or is that a fan thing

[digital spear]

admirals could have future sight who knows

Jinbei used it

[strong junco]

Yeah

[strong junco]

Akainu got it 100%. And i think Aokiji has it to, he needed it to fight against Akainu

[digital spear]

Fujitora could have it

[rustic coral]

https://youtu.be/NdKcDPBQ-Lw?si=6YubtSgGYhjJK-Nn

[shadow python]

Fuji can see the future but it all looks black

[golden valley]

Fujitora has a 100% chance to have it

More than any marine

[rustic coral]

Mihawk fans always make it through this video

[golden valley]

His personality also matches future sight

More than any marine

[digital spear]

so glue fed

[strong junco]

Yeah i think fujitora still has the best obs haki in the entire series

[trim lily]

probably

[strong junco]

Or maybe mihawk and shanks over him

[grand flower]

Fujitora also has crazy good senses

He heard namis thunder all the way in green but

[digital spear]

its Enel

[strong junco]

Huh

[trim lily]

well enel is a cheater

he gets to combine his fruit with it

(i think)

[strong junco]

Yeah

[shadow python]

Sanji heard the sound of a woman crying

[strong junco]

His fruit boosts the "mantra"

[spice cairn]

He did combine both

[strong junco]

Special case

Like even Tama felt kaido

[golden valley]

Sanji sensed Minks hiding their presence, even though Luffy couldn’t

[grand flower]

He did?

[digital spear]

what does this mean

[strong junco]

Blackbeard sensed he was going to lose to Akainu, so he escaped

[strong junco]

Tama felt where Kaido was

[digital spear]

where was Kaido

[strong junco]

Yes

[digital spear]

okay

[shadow python]

Luffy probably felt animals nearby that had no intention of fighting. He's very used to being around animals

[strong junco]

"Animals" ayo bro

Thats like saying Jimbei is a fish

[digital spear]

yes and he takes away our jobs

[strong junco]

Thats like saying Chopper is a deer

[dapper tree]

fishmen should stay below the sea

[digital spear]

Well he is

[dapper tree]

he's a racoon dog

he wants us to believe he is a deer

[strong junco]

Ayo why is Josuke racist with gyojin

[dapper tree]

i'm evil josuke

[strong junco]

Sorry evil josuke

[ocean sigil]

Let me bless you with pictures of OPtok

This is why Enel is peak

[strong junco]

Jack victim

[ocean sigil]

Imu is the first birkan

[brittle basin]

You losers like One Piece?

[strong junco]

Huh who is this

[ocean sigil]

Sometimes

[brittle basin]

Goda. Sometimes.

[strong junco]

Sorry sur

Sir

[dapper tree]

enel with arc maxium staying in the top 10 destruction feats

[ocean sigil]

Easily top 5

[sage temple]

Insane art

[brittle basin]

The Arc Maxim is important, the mural told me so.

[strong junco]

Top 10 dumbass feats (enel)

[dapper tree]

enel is coming back

[ocean sigil]

Yes

[dapper tree]

gonna be peak when he nukes the holy land

[strong junco]

Are you imu?

[strong junco]

He calls himself a god so hes not gonna destroy the god land

[ocean sigil]

Aside from the three ancient weapons only the joint attack of everyone on gods valley was crazier

[dapper tree]

enel will at that point finally be admiral level

[brittle basin]

it is a possibility

[dapper tree]

it's not the moon

[strong junco]

What? Hes not even yc1 level

[dapper tree]

and has no dirt

how holy can it be

[dapper tree]

well yeah

[strong junco]

Can I make you a question Imu?

[ocean sigil]

I gotta said, you are pretty based since you're no mod

[brittle basin]

Enel is coming back with conq-coated lighting. It'll be the most confusing fights ever.

[dapper tree]

I am saying when he returns

[dapper tree]

pretty much

[ocean sigil]

Only for G5 Luffy to climb that lightning up

[dapper tree]

thanks

[sage temple]

Was the arc maxim the one that caused the lazers

[dapper tree]

luffy kicked lightning back in skypeia so he can do that easy

[dapper tree]

no, that was just enel. You mean when he fried people, single targets?

[ocean sigil]

Enel vs Nami refight, nami going to feed Zeus with coated lightning of Enel

https://tenor.com/view/enel-enru-one-piece-enel-enru-god-gif-21109070

[sage temple]

Oh ok I thought he needed the arc maxim to like spread out his lightning power or smth

[dapper tree]

Naw, Enel, Zeus, and Nami combo with Maxim

[golden valley]

Enel isn’t in the top 5 of anything honestly

[strong junco]

Imu, lemme ask u a question

[dapper tree]

no he could just do that

[dapper tree]

well, wrong

[sage temple]

What a tuff power

[brittle basin]

you may

[ocean sigil]

Top 3 CoO users

[dapper tree]

I was about say

[golden valley]

Goes to the guys with future sight

[strong junco]

Who is good Gorosei or Strawhats?

[sage temple]

Ragnir and Loki could probably beat Enel

[golden valley]

Shanks
Katakuri
Gaban
Luffy
Kaido

[brittle basin]

both are evil

[strong junco]

Wouldnt imu say gorosei is good?

[dapper tree]

he still has the best obseravtion range

[golden valley]

No he dont

Shanks clears

[ocean sigil]

Shanks and probably Imu are the only ones probably topping Enel

[brittle basin]

Imu and Gorosei love being evil

[golden valley]

In what

[dapper tree]

compareable

[brittle basin]

Enel's lighting is frightening

[strong junco]

But you are imu

[dapper tree]

shure

[golden valley]

I just named like 6

[ocean sigil]

CoO

[golden valley]

Who clears

[brittle basin]

but Sanji kind of withstood it right?

[golden valley]

No, shanks gaps

[vocal elbow]

Sanji coo is above the verse

[brittle basin]

Imu loves being Evil. Remember Lulusia? Neither does Imu.

[ocean sigil]

Granted Enel maximed his CoO with his DF powers. But still he was among the best of the best in CoO use

[dapper tree]

enel stays with some of the best coo

[strong junco]

...

[brittle basin]

enel never awakened.

just wait

[ornate tartan]

Aisa>

[dapper tree]

soon

[dapper tree]

she didn't have as big a range as him

[ocean sigil]

Finally a proper rival for Imu

[dapper tree]

she had like range compared to his 4 priests tho

[brittle basin]

A clash of the biggest egos on the Blue Planet.

Ego Haki

[golden valley]

His range is all that gets glazed and even then, there are better CoO range feats

[dapper tree]

not really

[ocean sigil]

Enel carried outside the blue planet

[golden valley]

Enel’s most unique thing is his ability to read conversations

And thats due to his DF

Regular coo cant do that

[ocean sigil]

His range was literally over a whole nation

[golden valley]

It is

[dapper tree]

fuji has the best range cause he could see into space if you wanna go that route

[golden valley]

True

[brittle basin]

Enel knew there was nothing left for his power level on this planet and thus sought after Vearth or whatever goofy ass word they used for the moon.

[dapper tree]

followed by shanks and enel

[golden valley]

Upperyard and Angel Island, which is still a finite distance

Shanks literally has the best range

[brittle basin]

Fuji could nuke the planet?

[dapper tree]

huge distance

[golden valley]

Wano can fit multiple upperyards and angel islands

[ocean sigil]

What was his biggest distance?

[wraith ingot]

But is his df strong enough to control such a large meteor

[golden valley]

Sensing Greenbull across wano

[dapper tree]

senseing and pin pointing greenbull

it wasn't all the way across wano

[rose rune]

fuji can pull down enel and throw him at people

[golden valley]

It was near the epicenter while he was outside of it

[ocean sigil]

Thats why I said only Shanks and probably Imu are better. Enel still among the top 3

[brittle basin]

That's what I want to know. Did Dressrosa indicate any limitations, or if he was awakened?

[golden valley]

He covered the wano ocean

And then near FC

[wraith ingot]

He was already on top of the waterfalls in pretty sure

[golden valley]

Fujitora also has better range

[golden valley]

He wasn’t

[dapper tree]

shanks was right next to wano

[golden valley]

Outside of it

[dapper tree]

not like an ocean away

[ocean sigil]

He wasn't on top, he was at the bottom iirc

[fringe escarp]

Shanks def doesn’t have better DC

[golden valley]

Wano has its own ocean

[dapper tree]

not how oceans work

[fringe escarp]

Enel DC slams

[golden valley]

?

[fringe escarp]

Wano is in a glorified lake or arguably a sea

[brittle basin]

Film Red sends its regards

[fringe escarp]

Shit is NOT a ocean

[golden valley]

Its called an sea/ocean

Not a lake

[wraith ingot]

Ur comparing observation haki to conq haki

[fringe escarp]

What the fuck are you on about

[dapper tree]

💀

[golden valley]

its literally interchangeable, the kanji used is either called an ocean or sea

[wraith ingot]

Enel doesn’t have conq haki

[ocean sigil]

Hmm I'm not sure he's better than Enel, Skypia was HUGE, I think bigger than Dressrosa. And if Fuji has to feel a meteor to drag it down that would mean he can sense the half of earth

[golden valley]

So yes, both fit

[dapper tree]

not how that works either

[fringe escarp]

I don’t give a shit about the Japanese brother

[golden valley]

???

[fringe escarp]

I’m calling it a sea I ain’t using kanji

[golden valley]

Ok

[fringe escarp]

It can’t be part of the ocean if it’s disconnected from it

[dapper tree]

depends on if fuji is finding these meteors in space or the atmosphere with haki or if he's just lucky

[golden valley]

Fujitora sensed all of dressrosa + the mist that is stated to be like 3 miles away from dressrosa

[hoary steppe]

Um

[golden valley]

Fujitora definitely has better CoO range

[fringe escarp]

Enel has better obs use tho

[dapper tree]

skypiea still bigger than dressrossa

[golden valley]

Debatable

[fringe escarp]

It’s not just skypeia it’s skypeia AND half of jaya

[winter oasis]

Enel is using his fruit as a steroid booster his OBS is still worse

[golden valley]

What

[dapper tree]

we just talking range

[golden valley]

Skypiea is Upperyard and Angel Island

[ocean sigil]

Just lucky guess or he's so sure that there is a meteor somewhere on the point he's staying and pulls down whatever is on the way

[hoary steppe]

Why yall comparing fuji CoO with dressrosa island

[dapper tree]

fuji is better with obs for sure

[ocean sigil]

Awakened Enel will clear, trust

[fringe escarp]

Upperyard is half of Jaya

[dapper tree]

but enel stays winning with range, only people with debatable range is shanks and fuji

[golden valley]

ok

And jaya doesn’t exist in skypiea

Its on the blue sea

[fringe escarp]

Brother

[golden valley]

Brother

[fringe escarp]

Are we getting into fucking naming semantics

[dapper tree]

he'll be awakened and admiral level upon his return with a perfected arc maxim and robo crew

[fossil nimbus]

Isn't fujis range so huge that he can sense meteors in space? or he doesn't use haki for that

[fringe escarp]

Naming means literally nothing

[ocean sigil]

AND space pirates

[dapper tree]

that depends on if you think that's how he does it

[hoary steppe]

Im guessing he didnt use haki for that

[fringe escarp]

I can call it Zoro land and it doesn’t change that it’s size is half of jaya

[wraith ingot]

Isn’t he logia? That’ll mean that if he awakens he turns environment into lightning, no?

[hoary steppe]

Paramecia

[fossil nimbus]

all that for zeus to eat him and become stronger then nami gets his fruit

[brittle basin]

we don't know if logias awaken. but he's a paramecia

[dapper tree]

logias probs have a diff type of awakening

[ocean sigil]

I think we aren't even so sure what logia awakenings do

[fringe escarp]

Only paramecias and mythical zoans change their environment

[dapper tree]

zeus would just get his fruit if he eats enel

[fringe escarp]

And mythical zoans are just zoans with paramecia powers

[fossil nimbus]

Oda will find a way around it

[wraith ingot]

Wasn’t it hinted in punk hazard that akainu and aoikiji were awakened?

[fringe escarp]

No

[golden valley]

The naming matters cuz it sounded like you were saying Enel was sensing down in the blue sea too bruh

[dapper tree]

no

[fossil nimbus]

what are you guys favourite paramecias (since we are entering the paramecia era)

[golden valley]

Shanks and Fujitora > Enel CoO range

[wraith ingot]

Then they changed the island with just attacks?

[fringe escarp]

Brother I obviously meant the half of jaya in the sky

[fringe escarp]

With large scale attacks across 10 days

Yes

[ocean sigil]

Can't wait for Oda to surprise us that Logias dont exist and it was special paramecia all along and the government hides the name because they are able to destroy the Gorosei

[fringe escarp]

Oda should’ve made tamagos fruit a special paramecia

[ocean sigil]

Fan theory

[dapper tree]

yes and they can just produce infinte of their element

[fringe escarp]

Genuinely no clue why it’s JUST a zoan 😭

[wraith ingot]

What are y’all’s favorite arcs?

[ocean sigil]

Actually true, my guy did a reverse time chicken man

[fossil nimbus]

ennies lobby/water 7

[fringe escarp]

Egghead Marineford Water 7 is my top 3

Egghead is at the top

[ocean sigil]

Skypia clears

[digital spear]

Do we know that?

[fringe escarp]

Yes unfortunately

[wraith ingot]

Mine it probably marineford, then wano then egghead

[fringe escarp]

Oda is scared to use a random fruit type he made up on the fly 😭

We fr need to see Luffy use his full zoan and hybrid forms, then his awakened full zoan form

If he gonna make him a zoan might as well

[digital spear]

Wtf its called Egg Egg fruit but its a Zoan

[fossil nimbus]

the era of paramecias is coming soon. Pre ts was for logias, wano and egghead for zoans. Now we'll see paramecias

[fringe escarp]

Eggs are living cells

[dapper tree]

uhh, a human and a human hybrid is a human and a full human and human combo is human

I hate to break it to you

[fringe escarp]

It’s not the human human fruit

The actual fruit is just the “model nika”

[ocean sigil]

Soon after we find out Loki has a special paramecia

[fringe escarp]

Otherwise by this logic he shouldn’t have ANY transformations, INCLUDING awakening

The same goes for Sengoku

[digital spear]

But not specific to one animal type so I thought it was a Paramecia, really weird fruit

[dapper tree]

but luffy (a human) ate a human fruit

[vernal ravine]

3 posible mythical zoans in elbaph btw

[fringe escarp]

That’s not what the fruit turns him into

[dapper tree]

We did see

G5 is that

[fringe escarp]

If a cow ate the giraffe fruit would he not be able to transform

It’s the ox ox fruit

[fossil nimbus]

we'll get more paramecias, we have gunko, sommers. We'll get more. TRUST.

[dapper tree]

he would be a giraffe squared

[fringe escarp]

😭

[dapper tree]

he would be more giraffe\

[fringe escarp]

That’s a awakened hybrid that’s my point

[digital spear]

But it was a cow before

[fringe escarp]

The existence of that implies a full zoan awakened and unawakened hybrid/full zoan can exist

[dapper tree]

no you

[fringe escarp]

The only part of the fruit that matters is the model

[vernal ravine]

is not confirmed but make sense g5 is hybrid

[dapper tree]

but nika was a human

[vernal ravine]

what we didn't see is his full zoan form

[dapper tree]

and luffy is a human

[grand flower]

Nah Luffy doesnr have any Zoan forms because he’s a human with a human model

[fringe escarp]

As much of a human as a giant golden buddha

Or a yokai onigumo

[ocean sigil]

But wouldn't the fruit be how the people see Nika? As a godlike figure with the power of freedom

[fringe escarp]

Exactly lol

Nika has a specific look

[dapper tree]

yeah, the white form that luffy takes

[grand flower]

If an animal like chopper ate the Gum Gum, it’d have a hybrid and full form

[vernal ravine]

nika fruit is special but i think in essence is similar to a zoan like quite similar

[fringe escarp]

By your logic that shouldn’t exist at all

[grand flower]

It’s not special really

[fringe escarp]

Since luffy is human therefore no transformation should exist

Same with Sengoku

[grand flower]

It’s like a wolf eating the wolf fruit

[ocean sigil]

It wouldnt matter what Nika actually is, the people see him like a god and that would turn him into a god

[glacial bear]

Honestly what can a human even do with the human human fruit

[fossil nimbus]

Choppers human fruit doing every non-human thing possible

[fringe escarp]

No it’s like a human eating a buddha fruit

[dapper tree]

but he isn't gonna change any more than what is shown

[grand flower]

It’d be a waste

[ocean sigil]

Turn more human

[dapper tree]

the white form is it

that's all

[fringe escarp]

By changing at all means it isn’t just “human”

[fossil nimbus]

they can go into guard point, horn point, arm point, etc. The human fruit makes no sense to me

[dapper tree]

he changes color

nika is a human with the white hair

and wacky powers

[digital spear]

Chopper fucked around with it

[dapper tree]

like playing baseball

[vernal ravine]

is the fruit that changes the era obviously is not working like a usual zoan but it is

[fringe escarp]

Then explain Sengoku

[dapper tree]

buddha is a big gold guy

[fringe escarp]

That is not awakened yet he has a hybrid

[fringe escarp]

And it’s unawakened

[dapper tree]

nika is a big white guy

[glacial bear]

https://tenor.com/view/chopper-chopper-one-piece-reindeer-tony-tony-chopper-drum-island-gif-13514119013682697087

[fringe escarp]

Yet he could transform

[dapper tree]

sounds bad

I know

[fringe escarp]

Meaning luffy could too

[dapper tree]

Sengoku could be

you never know

[fringe escarp]

No hagaromo which all known controlled awakenings have

[dapper tree]

it would be funny if he was

[grand flower]

That’s the myth behind the figure yeah but I meant mechanically it’s like other mythical zoans

[dapper tree]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-sadi-sadi-one-piece-impel-down-minokoala-gif-25052120

[grand flower]

It’s an animal with a superpower

[fringe escarp]

Read what I said slower

[dense haven]

name checks out

[digital spear]

Calling myself Minohuman and applying for Impel down

[dapper tree]

never kjniowwwwww

[dapper tree]

there's a waiting a list

[dapper tree]

I believe in you tho

[digital spear]

Thank you

[vernal ravine]

rn you can either state nika is a myth or he really existed we don't really know, that's a interesting part

[grand flower]

Myth zoan = animal with a superpower

Paramecia = human with a superpower

So it was easy to disguise a myth human Zoan as a Paramecia

[grand flower]

Yeah I agree

[dapper tree]

someone dreamed it at some point

[fossil nimbus]

chopper has the forest god fruit, but that's a conversation for another time

[dapper tree]

thought that was greenbull

[digital spear]

Did Nika even have white hair naturally or only awakening

Was Nika even real

[brittle basin]

Oda might've gotten a little lucky with that one

cause imagine if he had made luffy a logia instead

[fossil nimbus]

That's what Oda wants you to think, but it's actually chopper. One day I'll give my reasoning

[digital spear]

Does the white cloudy appearance come from the original Nika, or from Devilfruit awakening?

[dapper tree]

all we got is vegapunk or the giants description

[fringe escarp]

That’s not why luffy could use his powers in “base”

[brittle basin]

well yamato also has clouds

[dapper tree]

I will NOT be waiting

[fringe escarp]

All mythical zoans can use at least a portion of their powers in base form

[fossil nimbus]

But you WILL eventually hear it

[digital spear]

Yeah so where did it really come from

[fringe escarp]

Kaido could control clouds in base form

Yamato could manifest ice in base

[dapper tree]

where's marco's scrarf

he's been left out

[tranquil blade]

He isnt awakened

[spice cairn]

I could control character romantic feelings with a pen and paper

[tranquil blade]

and Yamato has one cause uh

[fringe escarp]

If you’re a mythical zoan you can use your powers in base form

[fringe escarp]

Deity p much

[dapper tree]

go on

[digital spear]

Gear 4 already had a hagoromo, was the awakening "leaking out"

[tranquil blade]

Reasons

[brittle basin]

i'm assuming awakening for now, 'cause it's the only semi-consistent thing? The only issue is people get confused by Kaido (not awakened but still has clouds) when compared to Lucci and Kaku's awakened forms that also have clouds.

[tough igloo]

G4 Luffy had one as well

[dapper tree]

Ahhh perfect

[fringe escarp]

Don’t bring back this theory please

[dapper tree]

what abouit kaido

[tranquil blade]

Is Qilin a diety

[fringe escarp]

I Alr feel my brain cells flaking

[fast pagoda]

No

[tranquil blade]

He's just a chud dragon

[dapper tree]

lmao

[digital spear]

I didnt know this was a theory I just made it up

[fringe escarp]

It is 😭

[fast pagoda]

Kaido is actually closer to a diety

[fringe escarp]

“What if gears are just zoan forms!!!!”

[tranquil blade]

Some people still think gear 4th is Luffy forcing out a hybrid form

[dapper tree]

they crazy

[fringe escarp]

And every time I pray lobotomy gets legalized

[spice cairn]

Kaido's fruit essentially is legendary

[grand flower]

Immediately awakened, that’s my goat

[digital spear]

I was about to say maybe Kaido always was in awakened from then but he immediately had those clouds when eating the fruit and Momo too

[fringe escarp]

They do not need that brain

[spice cairn]

Both in value and generally what its centered around

[tidal ice]

What is luffys hybrid form

[fringe escarp]

It’s not a hagaromo btw it’s just flame rings

[tranquil blade]

I always just saw it as muscle balloon but Luffy also cant hold it for reasons so he has to use haki to for other reasons

[fringe escarp]

Rn we don’t know

He only has a awakened hybrid

[fossil nimbus]

what even is luffy's hybrid and full form?

[grand flower]

He has none

[dapper tree]

the scarf actaully doesn't matter at all

[digital spear]

Robin is gonna casually reveal the One Piece and everyones real parents

[tranquil blade]

He doesnt have either

[dapper tree]

it's black lightning all over again

[brittle basin]

Luffy may not have a hybrid since, i don't know, looking human is fine enough.

[fringe escarp]

I think a full zoan Nika would emphasize the cartoony look more

A true pure white design

[dapper tree]

half human half human

[fast pagoda]

Deity = Luffy, Kaido, Sengoku, Yamato
Not deity = Marco, Killingham, Devon, Orochi, Stronger, Gorosei

[grand flower]

Human on human DFery

[spice cairn]

Urban legends vs actual gods.

[grand flower]

Nothing to transform into

[fringe escarp]

If I transformed into Jesus Christ rn

I wouldn’t just be me but with longer brown hair

If a snake turned into a azure dragon

[dapper tree]

MOTHMAN MYTHICAL FRUIT

[grand flower]

Sengoku has a transformation because his fruit is a golden statue

[thick mango]

i think oda has a finite budget on secret myth fruits before he gets old. he can do like... maybe 3. And bb already has one probably. So i think we give the other one to morgans

[dapper tree]

wrong person

[digital spear]

I mean maybe you would

[dapper tree]

but still

[spice cairn]

Buddha is gold and brings prosperity

Which is very ironic

[fringe escarp]

Nah because Kaidos fruit has a specific look

[wraith mantle]

I am not putting it past her

[grand flower]

I doubt he’s gonna do it again

[tranquil blade]

Is Sengoku's hybrid just him as a Buddha but not fat

[thick mango]

some people think theres like a dozen secret legendary fruits behind fruits main characters have. I dont think that but I do think he could do it one or two more times

[spice cairn]

Hes fat and balding hybrid wise.

[fringe escarp]

Sengoku hybrid would go hard

[digital spear]

But hes a non dragon who ate a dragon fruit

[fringe escarp]

Golden haki

[fast pagoda]

Is the form we saw Sengoku in confirmed to be the full transformation?

[tranquil blade]

No

[fringe escarp]

But my point is that it has a specific LOOK

[tranquil blade]

Nothing is confirmed about it

It could be full zoan or hybrid

[fringe escarp]

If someone else ate that fruit they’d look virtually identical with a few differences

[tranquil blade]

I assume full zoan though because he gets fat

[tough igloo]

i assumed marineford was Sengoku hybrid form but if that was his full zoan then yeah his hybrid would be interesting to see

[fringe escarp]

The only time a full zoan resembles its base is in hybrid

[grand flower]

I expect people with secret names or even secret Akagami hair more tbh

[thick mango]

what is akagami hair

[digital spear]

Maybe its because the dragon is an animal and we as humans often cant tell differences between animals apart

[brittle basin]

it's just a big gold sengoku right? did anything change fundamentally about his default look in the face and hair?

[grand flower]

The shit shanks, shamrock and mama red hair have

[fallen meteor]

Red

[fringe escarp]

But we can tell the difference between two different species

[digital spear]

Sengoku just always looked buddy

[fast pagoda]

Yeah Sengoku's transformarion looks more like a hybrid

[fallen meteor]

Sengoku secret red haired

[fringe escarp]

Nika is as much “””””human”””” as Kaido is a lizard/fish

If a fish ate Kaidos fruit it wouldn’t just be a few aesthetic differences

[tough igloo]

yeah i assumed it was his hybrid because it still looked like Sengoku and every other full zoan form we’ve seen they completely transform into that deity/creature .. but maybe since it’s a hito hito myth zoan like Luffys , every form is gonna look like Sengoku

[digital spear]

Are you saying Nika wasnt a human

[fringe escarp]

If a gecko ate Kaidos fruit he would not just be the gecko but blue accents

[fringe escarp]

Og nika? He prob was human

But the fruit is based on the legend

Not the actual person

Buddha is not a giant fucking gold statue for example

[tranquil blade]

I mean I get what he's saying, Nika is in a humanoid form but he clearly looks different from a normal human

[digital spear]

We really need to know what Nika actually looked like and how much of the legend portrayed through the fruit is real

[tranquil blade]

He has white hair and clothing that normal humans dont have

and other weird stuff like that

[fringe escarp]

And luffy’s clothing should not be represented at all

In a full zoan his entire outfit would change

[tough igloo]

One Piece will end with Nika still being a silhouette lol we only getting Joyboy face who gonna look just like Luffy 😂

[fringe escarp]

Not just aesthetically

[brittle basin]

Nika's DF is probably based on ancient people's desires which I assume came from ancient art they saw of Nika. Like the mural.

[digital spear]

Yeah but apparently this didnt affect Luffy until he awakened so how much did the awakening actually do

[grand flower]

Wym?

[fringe escarp]

Out of universe explanation is oda didn’t plan it

In universe explanation luffy “didn’t know how”

Which is still incredibly flawed since you don’t need to know you’re a zoan to turn into your forms

[dapper tree]

you don't know, Oda could think he was

[digital spear]

Wait do we have any other mythical zoan awakening that we know is a devilfruit

[fringe escarp]

No

[thick mango]

yamato?

[digital spear]

That is kinda crazy

[tranquil blade]

It's literally just Luffy for now

[fringe escarp]

Luffy is the only example

[dapper tree]

MY REASONING

[digital spear]

Yamato already had the scarf as a baby so we dunno

[tranquil blade]

Yamato is ambiguous but I feel like it would've been pointed out if it was

[dapper tree]

So buddha could have just been a giant golden guy

[fringe escarp]

Full zoan luffy would look notably like a different person