also-manga

[torn kite]

But that’s like the biggest I’ve ever seen that explosion though

[sage temple]

Well sure if size is all that matters

Lmao

[torn kite]

And like I’m assuming giant brick is way stronger than normal brick so I guess it makes sense why it didn’t break the wall but it definitely broke the mirror though and I’m assuming giant mirrors are stronger than normal mirrors since nobody else could escape

[sage temple]

Lmao ok but even so, it's sub-gear 4 level

It just isn't that crazy at all

[thick mango]

hey i wonder if we go back to legoland if we'll find hints/suggestions about how elbaf might go

[torn kite]

So I guess size does matter in this case

[golden valley]

size doesn’t matter

[sage temple]

And it's not like Road was like "holy shit Ussop's about to kill me"

Like dawg shut up with that cope

There's no way you're seriously arguing that

The best he could've possibly broken was glass there

[golden valley]

Usopp loses to all the Tobiroppo

[sage temple]

And it's still weaker than a light-hearted gear 4 punch

Literally lmao

[spice cairn]

FATE

[sage temple]

Ussop's explosion was big but couldn't break bricks but apparently it's island level?

Does that mean mini-gear 4 is island level

[golden valley]

This is a sign of gear mastery.

G5 nerf bouta end

[sage temple]

Mini-gear 4 is taking out Dressrosa

Lmao

Be quiet dawg

[sage temple]

Oh true

[torn kite]

I mean, I’m not arguing anything I’m just saying that where would you scale this explosion?

[sage temple]

This was new to me I honestly didn't notice the mini- part

[torn kite]

Like how many people would die in an explosion like that

[golden valley]

None of the Tobiroppo

[sage temple]

1 Person

That lets it happen and isn't using Haki or anything to defend themselves

Because that's what it did against Gunko

[golden valley]

That explosion kills hundreds of normal people

More

[sage temple]

Yeah obv

[thick mango]

i feel like im an outlier in thinking usopp is strong enough as he is and all he has to do is fix his mental

[sage temple]

Everything in One Piece can kill thousands lmao

[spice cairn]

That would probably kill like 10 Mochas.

[sage temple]

Lol

[torn kite]

Yeah, that’s what I’m saying How many people would it kill? I meant normal people not like gods

[spice cairn]

Most OP characters would tank it lmao

[sage temple]

True

[golden valley]

Killing normal people isn’t a feat

[sage temple]

It really isn't

[thick mango]

usopp is easily top 1% strongest people in teh world. He only looks weak cause hes rolling around with the top 0.01%

[spice cairn]

Like Ulti would just brush it off and just kill Ussop afterwards lmao

[sage temple]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-what-wait-what-huh-playboi-carti-gif-17221740

[tranquil blade]

I want him to go one major fight without eating a 3-course meal in the middle of it 💔

[torn kite]

Yeah, but she’s like stronger than half the straw hats except for like three

[sage temple]

If you pack 2000 people into a little circle gear 2 could kill them

Wow super feat right?

Woo hoo

[spice cairn]

What if you used the explosion on Daifuku

How many of them can Ussop kill?

None probably.

[sage temple]

.000001

[tranquil blade]

The genie would survive

[sage temple]

Maybe even less

[spice cairn]

Smoothie would probably eat it.

[thick mango]

based on his smugness in the mini time skip i think we can conclude usopp was a major factor in the egghead fighting

[golden valley]

what did usopp do in egghead

[sage temple]

Ok

[spice cairn]

When I get my hands on Ussop

[sage temple]

Also I don't get how Ussop is the top 1% of people

[torn kite]

I think he helped move the ship

[sage temple]

Just because he's on a Yonko crew he's automatically top 1%

[thick mango]

we dont know what but surely something. Look at that smug aura

[tranquil blade]

I forgot this is her ability

[torn kite]

I mean, yeah, but the straw hats are still stronger than most pirates out there most pirates aren’t even really strong

[spice cairn]

Smoothie kind of lowkey have an amazing fruit

She can also just grow casually

[ruby moat]

imagine the kinda juice a dresser would produce

[sage temple]

Yeah but definitely not top 1% lmao

[ruby moat]

u can juice random things

thats sick

[sage temple]

Every single 13+ y/o giant right now could probably kill Ussop

[golden valley]

Nah, 1% consists of a wide tier

[sage temple]

Giants?

Other races?

[thick mango]

if youre in the grand line at all youre immediately liek top 10%. New world is like top 5% automatically

[torn kite]

Like there aren’t really that many strong pirates in the world maybe like 2000 tops probably way less than that honestly

[golden valley]

What about them?

[sage temple]

How would you assess this if you don't know the population of the world

And if you don't know how many strong people there are that we just don't see

[tranquil blade]

A gifter is probably in the top 1% of strength in the one piece world tbh

[sage temple]

It just seems like extremely needless glaze imo

[spice cairn]

I forgot she juices more people in the anime

[golden valley]

Theres definitely more normal people than there is “strong” people

Its not glaze

[torn kite]

Yeah, probably

[sage temple]

Yeah but top 1% is just something you pull from nowhere

[sage temple]

Normal giants are extremely strong

[torn kite]

The beast pirates are like the majority of the strong pirates out there Cause there’s a lot of them

[golden valley]

But, the vast majority of the world are normal people

[sage temple]

There are other giant countries

We literally just don't know enough of the world to act like he's for a fact top x%

[golden valley]

If film red is anything to go by, 70% of the world population is essentially normal citizens

[tranquil blade]

I get the flag but I wish I understood what it says

[spice cairn]

Me too

[sage temple]

Is film red canon?

[golden valley]

More would’ve fallen

[spice cairn]

She can do this?

[torn kite]

Like a random guy from the beast Pirates could probably deal with most pre-time skip antagonist more or less

[golden valley]

No but it did have Oda involvement

[spice cairn]

It can work even through your weapon

Thats sick

[sage temple]

Okay but it isn't canon

[golden valley]

Okay, but I said if anything to go off of

[sage temple]

Yeah assuming it is

Even though it isn't canon

[spice cairn]

How many people Smoothie needs to drink to get to Loki's size?

[maiden smelt]

Alabasta has a population of 10 million, fishman island has 5 million, the greater world government army has 10s of millions, and god valley had a population of 10,000 iirc
Basically being a named fighter makes u top 1% strongest

[sage temple]

Idk how much she grows but at least a few thousand

[maiden smelt]

Blue prob just has millions and millions of regular ppl

[golden valley]

It’s not like its making up its own world.

[sage temple]

There are giant countries in the blue

[spice cairn]

Can she grow infinitely as long as she can juice?

[tranquil blade]

There's probably at least a couple hundred million people in the whole world

[maiden smelt]

Ik

But theres mostly human ones

[sage temple]

Do we even know that

[golden valley]

There definitely is

[sage temple]

What if it's a split 80/20 of giants and humans

instead of like 99%

That puts Ussop in maybe the top 10%

Can't know enough to say top 1% for people like him

[golden valley]

Why would the giants have remotely this amount of people

[maiden smelt]

Do we even know if giant countries have god valley sized populations

[golden valley]

There would be a consistent amount of them shown if that were the case

[maiden smelt]

Theres prob quite a few developed nations like Alabasta with millions

[sage temple]

Do we know if they don't

[golden valley]

Humans are frequent among damn near every island. Giants are rare

[sage temple]

Giants are rare but it's not like they're 1 in a million, 80/20 is just as plausible as 99/1 lmao

[maiden smelt]

The WG wasn’t even a fan of giants during haralds era (prob didn’t have much giants in the WG) and they still had an army in the 10s of millions

[golden valley]

Thats an absolutely massive number that really doesn’t make sense unless millions upon millions of giants were all localized to one Island (Elbaf) and population that big would get noted

[ruby moat]

also big mom not having a single giant in her family suggests there arent many

[sweet anvil]

I can’t remember but isn’t it said most people have never seen a giant in their life

[sage temple]

The fact that most people can't even enter giant islands can explain this

Lmao

[maiden smelt]

Ya theres other giant nations other than elbaf she could have gotten (unless they all also hate her for what she did 💔)

[golden valley]

What’s likely is that Giants don’t actually have that big of a population

80/20 is literally insane

[spice cairn]

I mean Big Moms infamy among giants is huge

[sage temple]

It really isn't

[golden valley]

It is

[spice cairn]

So her not having a giant can be partially be because of that

[sage temple]

Not really

[golden valley]

And millions is underselling it too

[sweet anvil]

Elbaf is 1 country and houses a majority of the giants no ? So unless you think elbaf alone is like 12% of the worlds population idk

[sage temple]

The fact that most people can't even enter giant islands can explain this

[golden valley]

Because OP can have a population in the billions

[sage temple]

Or in the millions

[spice cairn]

This is such a fascinating topic

[golden valley]

That doesn’t explain what we see currently

[maiden smelt]

Ig she did kill the oldest warrior 😞

[golden valley]

Is what in saying

[sweet anvil]

Elbaf for sure holds like 70% of the giant population at least

[spice cairn]

You guys also got to remember that the population of the world is dropping significantly per chapter

[sage temple]

Exactly, you have no idea what's out there so you can't act like everyones top 1%

Especially for basically fodders like Ussop

[spice cairn]

I mean arc

But I guess chapter works too nowadays

Given the crisis at hand

[golden valley]

A population that big isn’t being visualized in the arc and I think its because its literally not that big

[maiden smelt]

What we know is that humans by far outnumber every other race by numbers 🤷‍♀️

Giants don’t even have god valley sized population so far

[sage temple]

Yeah they're the majority I never contradicted that

[sage temple]

We don't even know their population

[sweet anvil]

If you were saying that 80/20 is plausible then elbaf being 14% of the world population is plausible

[sage temple]

We haven't even seen a village like the place Loki's mom came from until recent

Elbaph could have millions alone

[maiden smelt]

I think it was said to be 10,000
Tho that might be number of slaves I don’t remember 😭

[sage temple]

It just wasn't lmao

Probably slaves though you're right

[maiden smelt]

I remember 10,000 smthing

[sage temple]

Maybe the cost for each race?

[golden valley]

Even then, I dont think this covers 20% of world population

[sweet anvil]

Wasn’t that the amount of points for the Davy clan and other rare people

[sage temple]

Neither do I because this isn't the only giant country on the face of the planet

The fact that there are other giant countries implies more giants

[maiden smelt]

Omg giants don’t even have the numbers of slaves the CDs kill every 3 years on small island counties in terms of numbers 💔

[sweet anvil]

What % of giants do you think elbaf houses then

[maiden smelt]

No it was some kind of count of ppl I think

[golden valley]

Im talking about generally dawg

Just not elbaf

Why would giants have a population that vastly outscale the fishman

[sage temple]

Probably 20% maybe 10

[sage temple]

Because we have no mention of fishman locations except for fishman island

[sweet anvil]

Interesting I always assumed elbaf housed majority of the giants since that’s their homeland

[sage temple]

And if there are any they surround fishman island

[sage temple]

Their homeland?

Since when was that a thing

[sweet anvil]

wait is it

[sage temple]

No it's the homeland for Dorry and Brogy

I remember them calling it homeland

[spice cairn]

Tbf it is their main homeland but that doesnt really stop them for posting shop in other places

But I figured thats getting harder and harder

[sweet anvil]

Yeah but for only 10% of them to be on elbaf would be weird no ?

[spice cairn]

Giants are just fucked in general

I mean.. im sure it has to do with the events of this chapter and the trafficking of them into Marines

[sage temple]

I don't remember it being their main homeland

[spice cairn]

Among other complicated stuff

[crimson yacht]

zoro will sadly kill dorry and broggy

[spice cairn]

I mean... I don't recall any other place that would be there homeland no?

[warm fog]

Was that sillouete some typa form Loki went into?

[sweet anvil]

The marines wanted to recruit giants and were trying to establish ties with elbaf to do so ,so I just assumed it housed majority of the giants

Same with imu trying to turn them into an army

[formal wagon]

yay zoro

[sweet anvil]

Well tbf 10% could still be the majority

[spice cairn]

I think its definitely the main place but the numbers are surely decreasing

[sage temple]

Exactly the fact that the other amount of islands are unknown is exactly why you can't assume anyone below the tobiroppo is top 1%

[sweet anvil]

10% just sounds way too low though

[sage temple]

Yeah maybe to you ig

[tranquil blade]

The vast majority of giants are probably from Elbaf but there are some exceptions like Saul and Sanjuan Wolf

[formal wagon]

poor john giant got stuck with that shit job for like 40 years just cause harald was a total dumbass naive idiot fool dumbass idiot d

[sage temple]

Exactly we already see vastly different appearances of giants

[formal wagon]

😭

[spice cairn]

Theres also this

[tranquil blade]

and idk why the non-Elbaph giants look so different from the Elbaf giants

[spice cairn]

San Juan wasnt born on Eblaf

iirc

So theres also outliners

[formal wagon]

wait how do they look different

[maiden smelt]

Oars is from somewhere else
It was mentioned in an sbs somewhere

[formal wagon]

who do we know about besides ida and oars

[thick mango]

Just considering 170 nations in the WG, i think even an incredibly conservative estimate on just those people is in the tens of millions.
City states at the time of around the tech level of one piece had 20-100k people. And some countries are bigger than that, having multiple cities like alabsata. So 1% is pretty low bar actually

[formal wagon]

ice contient or something

continent

[tranquil blade]

Does someone like Sanjuan Wolf not look very different from most of the giants on Elbaf? Not about his size but the rest of his appearance

[sage temple]

This goes in favor of the argument that there's a lot of giants in the world for this type of diversity to take place

[maiden smelt]

I think he died in an icy land, not that he’s from one

[spice cairn]

You also got to consider the parents too

And those parents

Etc etc

[formal wagon]

are all the non elbaf giants like ugly 😭

[sage temple]

If a giant nation was affiliated with the WG, Imu would have no real use for Harald

[golden valley]

But this is at the result of fishman discrimination, they’re concentrated out of necessity

[tranquil blade]

Well I didnt say that but

[sage temple]

It's safe to assume little to no giant nations are affiliated with the WG

[golden valley]

don’t think that necessarily means much

[formal wagon]

yeti cool brothers aren't ugly though

[sweet anvil]

Wait so why do we think that only 10% are on elbaf again 😭 I would understand like 50-60

[warm fog]

Is there a fishman conquer?

[formal wagon]

counterpoint. they look hideous as well

[sage temple]

Well that's the reason giants would outscale fishmen in population

[maiden smelt]

Will jimbe get CoC before sanji

[golden valley]

Now if we’re talking inter species, I think giants and fishman numbers skyrocket

[sage temple]

That's your answer lol

[warm fog]

Never

Sanji alr has it idc

[formal wagon]

I don't think they look that different actually

[thick mango]

do you mean giant like large or giant like the race? There definitely are large nations associated with WG, most of the largest.

[golden valley]

No? Why would that stop the mating process

[crimson yacht]

there aren't more Giants than Fishmen

idk how you could even

come to that conclusion

theres no evidence behind it

[sage temple]

The race*

Sorry

[sage temple]

What do you mean stop the mating process

[golden valley]

discrimination dont stop fishmen from getting down and dirty

[golden valley]

https://tenor.com/view/flight-reacts-flightreacts-tongue-tongue-laugh-gif-13724048537815479089

[tranquil blade]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-egghead-egghead-arc-monkey-d-garp-one-piece-1121-gif-15872344851538530937

[sage temple]

Yeah but giants could get down and dirtier with a lot more distribution across the world

This doesn't stop the mating process

[sweet anvil]

Doesnt giants having longer lifespans imply that their population would grow at a slower rate considering these guys only reach adulthood at like 70

[sage temple]

Also we're forgetting hybrids like Colun

[maiden smelt]

wtf even is this discussion

[sage temple]

Love transcends all

[golden valley]

yeah you know, i think we end it here. Aint bouta debate who fucks more

[sage temple]

Lmao

[spice cairn]

All started because of Ussop btw.

[sweet anvil]

Unless these guys are having like 13 kids each

[sage temple]

I don't care lmao Ussop COULD be top 1% but that seems really unlikely in my pov considering how many giant countries there are, not even including hybrids which I know are a minority but still

[maiden smelt]

Everything bad comes from ussop 💔

[sweet anvil]

Do we know there are many giant countries ? I can’t remember

[final trench]

Usopp the goat 👎🏾

But only time will tell

[icy wolf]

what does top 1% mean

[sweet anvil]

I need to reread bro I genuinely forgot

[spice cairn]

Theres definitely at least several countries or communities I should say

[dark nymph]

choptir soon

[spice cairn]

Countries is a bit misleading

[golden valley]

%1 of op world essentially being the “strong fighters”

[sage temple]

Giants having longer lifespans could imply that they have a lot more time to have kids. Ripley had Colun at 60, around 20. So there's plenty of potential for giants to have an extremely underlying large population

[icy wolf]

probably top like 10-5% i would assume

[crimson yacht]

yea usopp is probably top 1%

[thick mango]

even if we say theres only 20m people, 1% is the top 200k, thats a lot

[blazing depot]

Usopp gets so much irrational hate here and on reddit it’s kind of insane 😭

[golden valley]

Ehhh

[sage temple]

Yeah top 10-5 is a lot more plausible

Lmao

Top 1% is just an asspull

[grand flower]

Awh yeah Yall talking my language

What’s the discussion

[crimson yacht]

theres not hundreds of thousands of people stronger than

[spice cairn]

1% of people is like

[crimson yacht]

usopp

😂

[thick mango]

and the op world is said to be way way larger than earth so if anything 20m is undercounting

[spice cairn]

Jesus Burgress

Not Ussop lmao

[sweet anvil]

Wait ussop is for sure top 1% in one piece wdym

[golden valley]

you got that gang, go debate socrates on who be in the sheets more

The fishmen or the giants

[sweet anvil]

There’s so many civilians in the world ussop is sliming them

[thick mango]

conservative estimate on pop 1% is like top 200k, you dont think usopp is in that?

[maiden smelt]

Ussop is top 0.1%

[tranquil blade]

Mr 3 is probably in the top 1% strongest people in the one piece world

[grand flower]

You lost me at Socrates

[spice cairn]

I mean... he has a giant body count so..

[thick mango]

you think there are 200k people in the world stronger than usopp? no way

[spice cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-cross-guild-egghead-galdino-galdino-one-piece-gif-3763570635742724740

[golden valley]

Yeah no shot

[icy wolf]

usopp really isnt that strong

[tranquil blade]

Zoro at the start of the series is probably already in the top 1%

[golden valley]

Compared to who we see bruh

[crimson yacht]

if u low ball the one piece world at a 100 million global population that means the top 1% is a million bro Usopp is definitely there 😂

[blazing depot]

Could you beat Usopp in a fight?

[sweet anvil]

Ussop would have a case for top 1k

[blazing depot]

I think you’d win trust em

[sweet anvil]

For sure

[sage temple]

Ida's country
Sanjuan's country
Saul's country
Elbaph has a whole rule that the royals have to breed with Elbaphians and not foreign giants, this implies that this issue has been faced before or at least the amount of foreign giant countries being a little larger than just 3 or 4

[golden valley]

We have not met 200k people stronger than usopp

[spice cairn]

Id say like Start of Series Zoro is like 10~15%

[warm fog]

Ussop experience and endurance he’s packing up 80% of population

[golden valley]

We haven’t even met 10k ppl stronger than usopp

[scarlet nacelle]

i once asked who'd win between enies lobby lucci and current usopp
majority of people said lucci would win

[spice cairn]

I think he starts getting like 1% by like WCI imo.

[crimson yacht]

bro can someone really name me 100 characters

above usopp

😂

[sage temple]

It doesn't matter how many people we've met

This isn't a geography manga

We aren't going to every island

[icy wolf]

everyone with a df is probably top 1%

[crimson yacht]

Lol

[blazing depot]

I mean I can understand that but people saying base Kuro beats current Usopp is fucking delusion

That’s the hatred talking

[crimson yacht]

You can't actually prove anyone is stronger than usopp unless they have proved it

[tranquil blade]

I dont feel 10% of the world could be stronger, if you remove every non-fighter/civilian maybe

[maiden smelt]

I’m top 1% strongest fighters

In a snowball fight

[icy wolf]

some people dont even know devilfruits are real

[scarlet nacelle]

NIGGA PEOPLE BE SAYING WHAT

[thick mango]

but the most powerful people are drawn into the grand line so the sample of characters we meet is heavily biased in that direction

[golden valley]

Ok and if we go by emperor crews where btw 98% of the strong fighters are allied with, Usopp is still stronger than them

[vital heart]

Aloha!

[blazing depot]

People on tiktok unironically say that

[spice cairn]

I think its 10 for him specifically by that point because theres a fuckton of infamous sword pirates and such by this point

[golden valley]

In fact yeah, lets go by Yonko crews

[sage temple]

Yeah but people like Ussop get packed up by any normal giant

[spice cairn]

And hes clearly inexperienced to a degree early in

[vital heart]

Base Kuro is stronger PHYSICALLY than Current Usopp.

That's not a debate

[icy wolf]

can usopp beat water 7 luffy

[golden valley]

Because thats where most strong fighters are

The new world

[blazing depot]

Meek shut up

[vital heart]

PHYSICALLY

not in a fight.

[sage temple]

You don't have to be particularly powerful like a supernova or smth to be stronger than Ussop lmfao

[crimson yacht]

❌

[spice cairn]

As the world starts seeing large casualties and Zoro gets stronger he definitely closes the gap significantly

[vital heart]

Kuro couldnt beat Usopp in a fight

[tranquil blade]

If he's not being stupid yes

[vital heart]

But thats not due to physicality

Base Kuro is stronger PHYSICALLY than Current Usopp.

[blazing depot]

Kuro is skinny as fuck while current Usopp is ripped wtf are you on

[crimson yacht]

Lol

[icy wolf]

usopp is jacked

[tranquil blade]

Usopp could beat a lot of people just with his sleep plant

[spice cairn]

Kuro would be benchpressed by current Ussop lmao

Not even a contest

[tranquil blade]

He's got a sleeper build trust

[crimson yacht]

The usopp downplay is insane

[sage temple]

Okay, still there are plenty of different people in this world and we haven't seen enough to act like Ussop being top 1% is a fact

[blazing depot]

Sometimes yall just be saying shit. I don’t even think your brain can process thoughts

[spice cairn]

Kuro unironically is probably anemic by how fucking skinny he is.

[sage temple]

Notice how I hold my ground

[crimson yacht]

for you to think he isnt top 1% ur basically tryiin to say theres a ( lowball ) million people stronger than him

[golden valley]

Usopp would murder his crew pre timeskip honestly.

Thats where his plant powers would actually do shit

[sweet anvil]

Wasn’t the rule that the they had to breed with someone that had a high % of ancient giant blood I can’t remember too well

[crimson yacht]

wihch is ridiculous

[maiden smelt]

Ussop > jack

[torn kite]

I mean, isn’t he also stronger than Nami and Robin then?

[spice cairn]

Ok buddy lets not get too cocky

[maiden smelt]

If he’s 20km away

[icy wolf]

nami slams usopp so hard its not even funny

[spice cairn]

Jack fucking murders Ussop

[vital heart]

Current nami sure. Current Robin no

[sage temple]

High % of ancient blood was just a perk. Because Harald didn't choose someone from Elbaph himself they had to pick someone for him

[tranquil blade]

If Usopp uses his sleep pop green he could win

but he wont use it

[thick mango]

I dont think so. You think ange the schoolteacher is beating usopp?

[sage temple]

The rule was they had to be from Elbaph

[spice cairn]

Jack eats his beans

[golden valley]

But those “different people” wouldn’t be the thousands or even the hundreds. Its a very very very small group, so much so they all fit in that %1

[sage temple]

I think Ida is

[torn kite]

Yeah, Jack murders like all the straw hats

Except three

[tranquil blade]

If Usopp was willing to kill people he would be cracked

[sweet anvil]

So the pure blood just means elbafian right

[crimson yacht]

You cant name 100 characters that would beat Usopp in a fight

[maiden smelt]

What would ussops EoS bounty be

[sage temple]

Ange is quite literally the weakest proportional giant on the island lmao what type of "normal" is this

[spice cairn]

I mean I think Franky can do well against Jack if we include General Franky

[icy wolf]

yonko level

[torn kite]

I mean, he’s definitely killed people before

[golden valley]

If I truly felt like hating, i probably could

[thick mango]

most people are just schoolteachers, bakers, etc. Warriors are a minority

[sweet anvil]

Ussop is putting most of the civilian giants in a pack

[spice cairn]

Im convinced Nami has PoL

[crimson yacht]

Usopp can literally blow up like 99% of the verse

[sweet anvil]

Popgreen is killing Ida a second time bro what is this 😭

[spice cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/luffy-nami-luffynami-namiluffy-nami-one-piece-gif-27384079

[golden valley]

Like bro

[vital heart]

BASE KURO PHYSICAL STRENGTH > CURRENT USOPP PHYSICAL STRENGTH

[sweet anvil]

No

[crimson yacht]

Bro Wtf

[golden valley]

Usopp disrespect getting a LIL TOO CRAZY

[tranquil blade]

Too soon

[thick mango]

maybe not specifically in elbaf because of their culture itd be a higher amount of warriors but theres no reason to think taht would be true across every giant culture so if we want to say there are a ton of giants out there mroe likely than not most of them are just boring citizens like ange

[icy wolf]

talking bout base kuro bro

[sage temple]

Wolf the P.E. teacher is extremely good looking PHYSIQUE WISE. Ripley could kill Ussop and she's just a random giant

[vital heart]

Physical Strength bro

I'm talking about punching skills

[crimson yacht]

Ripley can't kill Usopp

[golden valley]

Whats kuro physical strength again

[icy wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/bro-just-typing-shit-bro-just-typing-shit-gif-18336060238854257551

[spice cairn]

Meek the slander is so fucking good

[blazing depot]

KURO SLASHES PEOPLE YOU IDIOT

[crimson yacht]

Ripley isn't eve

n

a combatant

[blazing depot]

HE DOES NOT FUCKING PUNCH

[crimson yacht]

like

[sweet anvil]

Kuro is dying to an ulti headbutt

[crimson yacht]

giant doesnt just automatically =

wins fight

[vital heart]

Usopp's score on this would be LOWER than Kuro's. That's what I mean

[sage temple]

YES MEEK

[tranquil blade]

Now Don Krieg (biggest pirate out the east blue) that's a real strongman

[torn kite]

I mean she’s like a warrior though plus she’s a mother so that’s AP boost

[sage temple]

I AGREE 100%

[crimson yacht]

The assumption that

any giant

can beat

usopp

is just headcanon

[scarlet nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/bro-just-typing-shit-bro-just-typing-shit-gif-18336060238854257551

[crimson yacht]

they arent even all combatants

[sweet anvil]

Bro people are just trolling rn

[sage temple]

Being a warrior is giant culture

ACTUALLY

LMAO

[crimson yacht]

😂

ripley is featless

[torn kite]

I mean, not recently

[sweet anvil]

giants are fodder ussop could lowkey win in a 5v1

[tranquil blade]

Ripley got a Gaban haki knot

[crimson yacht]

Usopp can blow up genuinely 99% of the verse 😂

like bro all the people usopp

[golden valley]

He could win a 100v1

[crimson yacht]

loses to

are

0.1%

in terms of strength

theres too many people in the world

[thick mango]

its elbaf's culture. Thats the main giant culture we've seen. Theres no reason to think it would be the culture of every giant youd expect them to have cultures just as diverse as mundane humans

[sweet anvil]

A very high tier giant was going extreme diff with machvise

[vital heart]

@hazy turret WHERE

ARE

YOU

[icy wolf]

he lost to a cat at the start of elbaf

[golden valley]

Sleep gas literally cooks most of the giants

[icy wolf]

a cat bro

[maiden smelt]

“Ussop only loses to top 1%”

[icy wolf]

he deadass lost to an animal

[golden valley]

His plants cook most of the giants

[torn kite]

Like Giants used to be warriors or whatever but they don’t really teach their kids to do stuff like that no more I don’t think

[maiden smelt]

Ussop fans should say that all the time

[golden valley]

He wasn’t locked in

[sweet anvil]

Ussop loses to maybe 300 people in the one piece world

Currently

[tranquil blade]

He was mentally nerfed

[olive sigil]

It’s not even current Elbaf culture

[sweet anvil]

This is me being skeptical as well

[spice cairn]

You think Jabra can still murder Ussop?

[sage temple]

Each island's culture is different. Even Ida accepted the warrior culture. Also Elbaph itself is currently still a very war-based country with random people going crazy against. Elbaph is the WarLand so it's culture is obviously war but whether this is the same or different for other giant countries is completely in the dark. So a normal giant for Elbaph could be completely different for Samuwanai or the place Saul is from

[maiden smelt]

Could ussop beat those animals luffy was training with during the timeskip

[golden valley]

Only current jabra

[blazing depot]

In Usopp defense he thought he was high

[tawny panther]

lmao luffy slowly realizing how trash Usopp is

[icy wolf]

good on luffy trying to be a hype man bro

[crimson yacht]

Luffy ( who can sense opponents power ) concludes that Usopp shouldve beeen able to take out the Cat Lion

Usopp was just

geeked

and thought he was in a dream

[blazing depot]

Or maybe he respects his crewmate enough to know what he can handle?

Have any of you had IRL friends? You don’t just dump them for being weak

[spice cairn]

I think Luffy had confidence Ussop could take it out

[icy wolf]

luffy also thought he was strong enough to take kaido and got one shot

[spice cairn]

Which speaks more like Ussop can destroy the cat had he not been geeked

[torn kite]

Usopp is exactly as strong as Luffy thinks he is I don’t know how strong that is, but apparently Luffy thinks he’s super strong or something

[maiden smelt]

Ussop could have beaten road if he wanted to

[spice cairn]

Which personally is cope coming out of his mouth but I digress

[icy wolf]

luffy is a good judge of character not a good judge of strength

[crimson yacht]

Luffy didnt think he was strong enough he just did it in the moment

[maiden smelt]

If he used that attack he shot at the wall at road

[golden valley]

Ok this is like wrong

[blazing depot]

Cope

[golden valley]

But he has been wrong before

[crimson yacht]

he thoguht kaido killed his whole crew 😂

[spice cairn]

Luffy is a great judge of strength lmao

[crimson yacht]

it wasnt a matter of

if he thought

he was stronger than kaido

he just wanted to get back

[olive sigil]

All my friends are beefed up

[icy wolf]

bro hes talking like he can low diff loki anytime rn

[golden valley]

Luffy prior to Observation Haki naturally sensed who the strongest person he has to fight

He isn’t

[thick mango]

getting into the weeds on various tangents, all im saying is 200k is a lot. I think usopp is easily in there. And i think thats ultra conservative, population probably in the hundreds of millions where 1% would be in the low millions

[golden valley]

He just thinks he can beat him

[sage temple]

This nigga said power

[golden valley]

Which is fine

[icy wolf]

luffy said yeah if loki tries anything ill just beat him up

[golden valley]

Yeah

Not low diff him

[sweet anvil]

Ussop is easily top 1k let alone 200k

[sage temple]

He tried to go against Kaido and got one shot

?

[tawny panther]

he doesn’t seem to know anything which is why he’s asking if Usopp should be able to handle it lol cause he doesn’t know himself .. even his face expression looks disappointed

[spice cairn]

I mean I have faith in Luffys word specifically about Ussop. However I think Ussop is just coping

[golden valley]

Because he acted out of rage

[sweet anvil]

Idk what the reasoning is for ussop being below top 200k is

[crimson yacht]

Haki can sense overall power level of opponents

[sage temple]

Where is his sense of power

[sweet anvil]

That wouldn’t even make sense

[sage temple]

Show me a panel where it says this

[blazing depot]

If you seriously think Luffy is gonna dump Usopp for not beating that cat I have no faith for you

[crimson yacht]

He went against Kaido cause he thought his whole crew died 😂

[golden valley]

He acted out of rage

[maiden smelt]

Didn’t gaban trust luffy to defeat loki if he was freed

[icy wolf]

who said this

[spice cairn]

Nobody said this

[sage temple]

Show me a panel saying Luffy can sense power

[blazing depot]

That’s the insinuation

[crimson yacht]

Basic context clues

Haki can always sense how strong someone is

[tawny panther]

i didn’t say anything about him dumping usopp .. he just was asking if he could handle the cat or not lol

[sage temple]

This is a reaction to Haki

[tawny panther]

Usopp is at that level where you gotta ask those questions

[sage temple]

Not his own Haki searching for something

[crimson yacht]

A reaction to what haki bro kizaru was usin his devil fruit

also with ur logic

[golden valley]

Ok

[crimson yacht]

hes more worried

about kizaru here

than kaido at kuri

does this mean kizaru > kaido

why are we usin kuri luffy bein mad and acting irrationally

to try and say he can't accurately sense power

[sage temple]

This was a reaction to the light coming from below

He has encountered Kizaru before and lost miserably

[icy wolf]

luffy knows he can beat rob lucci after he just took down kaido???? huh???? is he a genius?????

[crimson yacht]

Yeah how is that haki scaling

[maiden smelt]

Omg

[spice cairn]

Luffy just knows Lucci is a bitch

[crimson yacht]

😂 Bro hes worried about kizaru and not kaido

Kizaru > Kaido confirmed 😱

[icy wolf]

a bitch that pushed his right hand to extreme diff

[crimson yacht]

or Luffy just

was acting irrational

theres a simple answer

[golden valley]

https://scans-hot.planeptune.us/manga/One-Piece-Digital-Colored-Comics/0425-016.png

[sage temple]

Or he just didn't know how strong Kaido was compared to him

Because he can't just sense it passively

[crimson yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/solluminati-smile-solluminati-meme-tiktok-solluminati-wave-gif-13040421985693959078

But he can sense how strong Kizaru is

the very next arc

[spice cairn]

Because thats his job

[sage temple]

Nah you right

[spice cairn]

Lucci also got immensely stronger

[crimson yacht]

just felt like it

[spice cairn]

Theres no reason why Lucci wouldnt go for the kill

No, I killed her

[olive sigil]

How do you test if someone is worthy of being your friend if you don’t do the cat kicking test?

[sage temple]

Luffy couldn't even sense this

Lmao

[crimson yacht]

Haki has always been able to sense strength

[spice cairn]

Gaban was able to sense Zoros Haki so like

How is this a debate man

[crimson yacht]

how does rayleigh know how many random ass animals

are stronger

than luffy

[maiden smelt]

Loki has observation killing haki

[crimson yacht]

unless you can scale strength with haki

😂

[sage temple]

From context clues?

[crimson yacht]

Knowing whether or not someone is unconscious is not sensing power

especially since Luffy already says earlier in the arc

that he senses Lokis

strength

[sage temple]

Until Luffy says specifically that Ussop is strong it's dumb to act like Luffy is just asking if Ussop could've done it or not

[crimson yacht]

"I sense"

[tough igloo]

lmao

[crimson yacht]

What do you mean context clues 😂

he literally says he

SENSES

how many are stronger

[thick mango]

Is marco correct here?

[crimson yacht]

than Luffy

[sage temple]

What does he say about Luffy's sense

How come nobody senses Ussop strength

Gunko deliberately let Ussop hit her

[sage temple]

Lmao

[crimson yacht]

"And i sense an insane number of ferocious beasts. Guess how many are stronger than you."

and then he gives an exact estimate ( over 500 )

[sweet anvil]

Probably

[crimson yacht]

How else is rayleigh doing this

without using haki

???

[sweet anvil]

I don’t see why it would be wrong

[tough igloo]

lol Nami would get a compliment like that before Usopp

[crimson yacht]

??

Bro What 😂

[spice cairn]

Do you believe him?

[icy wolf]

chopper getting haki in elbaf

[crimson yacht]

When has Usopp fought someone weaker than him to where they would have to be worried about his power level

[golden valley]

Nami murders usop

[crimson yacht]

Usopp always fights some dude way above him

[icy wolf]

nami ap is crazy

[maiden smelt]

I thought he said killed in action here

[tough igloo]

is Usopp the weakest yonko commander ever in the story ?

[spice cairn]

Nami's AP is much better than Ussop

Its not even funny.

[sage temple]

What is there to question

[crimson yacht]

Characters sensing strength with observation has existed for ages

[icy wolf]

nami ap>sanjis ap

[sage temple]

Yeah no shit

[spice cairn]

Nami can probably blow Ussop's brains out now that we are still talking about him

[crimson yacht]

"I can sense the voice of someone powerful"

[sage temple]

Everyone there is above him

[crimson yacht]

keyword powerful

[tranquil blade]

Idk Whitebeard got 16 of them one of them has to be weak

[sage temple]

Ussop fights them because he's so weak

[crimson yacht]

Bro socrates

[sage temple]

No opponent is weaker than him

[crimson yacht]

You claimed

Luffy

doesnt sense peoples power

[tranquil blade]

One of them could be weaker than Usopp

[crimson yacht]

when he has multiple times

in the series

[unique lagoon]

i thought oda commented on this in one of the SBS

[crimson yacht]

you've already been debunked by the panels

[sweet anvil]

No

[icy wolf]

no

zoro doesnt either

[sage temple]

Yeah I was lowk wrong about that

[spice cairn]

Yamato slams the SHs.

[sweet anvil]

Zoro has a slightly better case

But loses

[sage temple]

But how does Luffy automatically know Ussop is strong

[icy wolf]

hes able to sense him cuz of choppers haki presence

[sage temple]

He doesn't say this

[tough igloo]

weaker than usopp though ? lol

[crimson yacht]

He knows Usopp is stronger

[icy wolf]

we saw choper use observation haki on egghead

[crimson yacht]

than the cat lion

thats it

[distant vine]

I'm sure I said this before but its really funny to me Kizaru fans hyped this panel

[tranquil blade]

Tbf he did sweat

[spice cairn]

Is sweating a sign of weakness?

[sweet anvil]

Ussop is weak asl but 20k people being stronger is insane work

[unique lagoon]

cant blame em
kizaru wanted to go to wano with 2 yonkos there

[golden valley]

I used to debate people on whether Kizaru speedblitzed Luffy here.

[tranquil blade]

Depends on the sweat droplet amount

[golden valley]

Admiral fans were arguing Kizaru was already behind Luffy in that panel

[sweet anvil]

Unless you’re talking strictly physical strength

[spice cairn]

Is he drenched?

[formal wagon]

hot take: S-hawk is stronger than kaido

[spice cairn]

How many droplets has to be on their face in order to claim theyre weak

[tranquil blade]

Yeah this implies Zoro was actually threatening to him somewhat

[sweet anvil]

This whole thing started with the argument that ussop isn’t top 1% in the world

[tropic nova]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/294551467820580864/1133027499652165743/nevercookk.png?ex=66017b96&is=65ef0696&hm=0956b22048302348dc9364bd3e06f4a7dfac56ed0525d7ba715dd12d12ce7059&

[spice cairn]

Like 4 I assume?

[formal wagon]

hot take: S-bat is stronger than kaido

[formal wagon]

what does this mean

[spice cairn]

I mean he was.

[formal wagon]

i've enver hood this before

[sweet anvil]

Which people estimated at the low ball to be 200k

[formal wagon]

how am i gonna eat if i don't cook

[spice cairn]

Zoro absolutely is a master of the craft

[prisma idol]

Not sweat scaling again😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭

[golden valley]

200k is still crazy 😭 😭

[sweet anvil]

You think 200k people are stronger than ussop

Be serious bro

[spice cairn]

Sweatpiece

[golden valley]

200k ngas above Usopp???? Why haven’t they swapped Usopp already

[formal wagon]

shanks-
ob-
sessed
fool

[sweet anvil]

I understood it as fighting ability

[celest mauve]

he was so right for this

[tough igloo]

can current usopp beat any of luffy previous antagonists ? i can’t even remember everybody who Luffy has fought

[sweet anvil]

Ussop is murdering 99.9% of civilians regardless of race

[sweet anvil]

All of the east blue ig

[unique lagoon]

zoro is usually right about those kind of things

[maiden smelt]

What

[tranquil blade]

The pretimeskip ones yes

[celest mauve]

usopp can beat all of the east blue villains

[tranquil blade]

Except the warlords

[spice cairn]

He definitely cant beat any logia opponent Luffy has fought unless he learns armament eventually.

[golden valley]

Still a doffy victim

[spice cairn]

East Blue Ussop easily beats

[sweet anvil]

Enel ?

[prisma idol]

We need to lock him up before he does that

[olive sigil]

He can beat most of them

[tough igloo]

in a 1v1 ? idk if he can beat all of Luffy pre timeskip villains

[prisma idol]

That wont be good

[tranquil blade]

Okay I forgot Enel too

[spice cairn]

Enel completely slams Ussop still.

Not even a debate.

[tranquil blade]

The logias beat him

[sweet anvil]

Enel warlords and lucci he can’t beat

[golden valley]

Usopp obv loses to logias

[spice cairn]

Ussop cannot touch a single logia

[celest mauve]

pre-TS crocodile, enel, lucci, moria etc still destroy usopp

[tough igloo]

Croc stills slams him , Arlong still beats him , Buggy plot armor will get him the W

[golden valley]

Lucci can get onetapped

Pre timeskip

[celest mauve]

nah arlong gets beat

[spice cairn]

So everything from Croc, Enel, Smoker, and Ceasar (Not Pre TS I know) instantly beat him

[tough igloo]

Enel,Lucci , Magellan still whoop Usopp as well

[sweet anvil]

Most of them are genuinely scrubs bro

[spice cairn]

Magallan backshots him too

[sweet anvil]

Ussop is handling them

[sweet anvil]

Oh yeah him too

[tough igloo]

Moria as well

[spice cairn]

Yeah Moria dabs on him too

[sweet anvil]

Anyone meaningful would be like top 1k

[vital heart]

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[sweet anvil]

Ussop is comfortably top 1%

[spice cairn]

Literally everyone that isnt East Blue beats Ussop

[tranquil blade]

Meek ishy has been gone for like 2 years

3

[sage temple]

That isn't crazy at all I've already mentioned multiple times the existence of other giant countries with almost all of them stronger than Ussop makes it equally if not more likely that Ussop's in maybe the top 10% but not 1%

[celest mauve]

the discrepancy between zoro and usopp is hilarious to look at, I would trust zoro against all of luffy's past villains except kaido and kizaru but usopp's only getting past arlong and below

[tranquil blade]

Hold on he can beat pre ts Bellamy

[tough igloo]

is Usopp beating Buggy lol

[spice cairn]

Oh hm yeah

[maiden smelt]

I wish oda did more unique face shapes

[spice cairn]

Bellamy definitely is an easy guy to beat by modern standards

[vital heart]

@gaunt carbon @grand flower

[vital heart]

@digital spear

[spice cairn]

Enies Lobby Lucci too(?)

But that seems like im pushing it.

[tranquil blade]

Now post timeskip Bellamy might beat him up

[golden valley]

Easily

[vital heart]

@dense haven

[tough igloo]

Helmeppo might beat Usopp lol

[spice cairn]

Buggy loses to Ussop

[sweet anvil]

Top 1% is 200k people bro he’s for sure not interacting with them

[vital heart]

No

Probably a couple months

[golden valley]

Usopp disrespect is getting crazy

[tranquil blade]

It's been years meek

[celest mauve]

I haven't seen ishy in far longer than a few months lol

[vital heart]

Fuck

I'm in the heaven realm

Time is dilated for me

Sorry guys

[trim lily]

meek isnt real

[vital heart]

Couple Months Years

[trim lily]

tragic

[spice cairn]

Im not big on Ussop but honestly besides Enies Lobby Lucci and Bellamy idk who else he could beat by that point in the story right now.

[sweet anvil]

Can you explain why giants would be 10% of the worlds population and regardless though he is handling most of the civilians

[tropic nova]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/294551467820580864/1133027499652165743/nevercookk.png?ex=66017b96&is=65ef0696&hm=0956b22048302348dc9364bd3e06f4a7dfac56ed0525d7ba715dd12d12ce7059&

[spice cairn]

Maybe I'm being mean as fuck

[vital heart]

This is a 3D2Y reference btw @tranquil blade @trim lily

[sweet anvil]

Minimum like 20 mil

[spice cairn]

Eblaf Ussop as he is now beats Orange Town Buggy

Like lets not get too crazy lmao

[golden valley]

I mean, Luffy’s matchups were essentially logias and warlords so its fair

[sweet anvil]

Wait the minimum population is surely like 300 mil matter of fact

[spice cairn]

I think its moreso the issue that Ussop is sort of lacking not even in just Haki but the toolkit.

[golden valley]

And i honestly think Usopp has a shot against Moria with his sleep gas, though it probably doesn’t work on fighters of Moria’s caliber

[spice cairn]

Im almost sure Eblaf Ussop can put in work with his old toolkit even if he loses anyways

[tough igloo]

is Elbaf still Usopp arc ?

[sweet anvil]

Wano was good for Zoro wdym

[sage temple]

Because of the existence of multiple giant countries:

Ida's country
Sanjuan's country
Saul's country
Elbaph has a whole rule that the royals have to breed with Elbaphians and not foreign giants, this implies that this issue has been faced before or at least the amount of foreign giant countries being a little larger than just 3 or 4

This heavily implies that there are more giant countries and the fact that there is a giant country in the south blue tells me that they can be found far and wide with heavy distribution. Ida herself is an example of how far giants can come.

[spice cairn]

Wano was perfectly fine for Zoro lmao

[tough igloo]

it wasn’t Zoro centered arc like many zoro fans theorized

[sage temple]

More like Loki's at this point

Also why is Sanji there

[tough igloo]

they thought it would be his “whole cake/enies lobby”

[sage temple]

It's not like he took the arc away from them

[golden valley]

Because he got his own arc

WCI

[sage temple]

Oh

I see

[tranquil blade]

Wano was better for Zoro than most arcs but because he didnt get like a 6 chapter flashback it wasnt enough

[sage temple]

Yeah I know

[spice cairn]

Yeah Zoro fans are spoiled.

[tranquil blade]

Now Franky DID get snubbed in Egghead

[sage temple]

This arc is probably Loki's though for sure

Poor Ussop

[sweet anvil]

So from this you came to the conclusion that giants are 10-20% of the world

[spice cairn]

Zoro got nice lore bits and amazing ass fights AND a big dig in Kaido and that still isnt enough lmao

[golden valley]

Usopp will get his moment this arc

[tranquil blade]

He did do some cool things still but there could have been a lot more for him

[remote maple]

robin arc

[tough igloo]

if it was really a zoro centered arc then oda would’ve put his family and their story in the arc instead of a SBS

[golden valley]

Its just not his arc

[trim lily]

zoro got so much in wano

[spice cairn]

Robins arc was Enies Lobby

[formal wagon]

wait who is franky 😭

[trim lily]

his fans have endless greed

[formal wagon]

yall are making a character up

[golden valley]

Check the wiki

[tranquil blade]

😂😂

[sweet anvil]

From there being more than 4 giant civilisations outside elbaf

[remote maple]

idk some blue guy

[spice cairn]

Yeah who tf is Franky?

[formal wagon]

oh thats...

[spice cairn]

Bro added his OC and thought we wouldnt notice

[sage temple]

I said

"the existence of other giant countries with almost all of them stronger than Ussop makes it equally if not more likely that Ussop's in maybe the top 10% but not 1% "

I'm not concluding anything I'm giving you examples of why it's so stupid to act like Ussop being top 1% is a fact because of how little we've seen of the outside world

[formal wagon]

fucking replyfail

[celest mauve]

I think oda did drop the ball with zoro's desire to kill orochi in revenge for what he saw happen with yasuie and visiting ryuma's grave, but wano was good for him otherwise

[thick mango]

what did he say?

[sage temple]

Yeah just like Zoro got his moment in Wano

[trim lily]

that’s franky of my comfort character…

[tranquil blade]

That's what u get for stealing my ragebait

[formal wagon]

😂 😂

[sage temple]

Loki's basically secured this arc for himself though

[spice cairn]

I think thats an issue of Wano having so much and trying to do everything at once issue rather than a Zoro problem personally, but fair.

I liked giants the moment I saw San Juan

[trim lily]

every giant?

[spice cairn]

You didnt like Ripley?

[olive sigil]

[celest mauve]

it makes me wish oda just never wrote that in because I actually like denjiro, forced to suffer as orochi's underling for 20 years, being the one to land the killing blow (unfortunately at the expense of hiyori looking kinda lame at the end but whatever)

[unique lagoon]

i thought wrong cuz google aint showing any result

[trim lily]

oda should’ve canonized panz fry

then more people would like giants

[olive sigil]

I do. So does Franky

[sage temple]

I liked Dorry a lot

Loki is so much better though

[trim lily]

i think imu could’ve done that regardless lol

[tough dust]

harald and loki are by far the only ones i care about in that country

[trim lily]

it’s not like kaido was the one stopping it

[tough dust]

dorry and brogy are okay

[spice cairn]

I care about Ida

But shes gone

So fuck it, burn it to the ground

[trim lily]

ok loki

[olive sigil]

I like all the giants except Loki’s mom side

[sage temple]

Yeah he's extremely developed already

[celest mauve]

on a related note, why does oda generally refuse to write non-human top-tiers? like I think harald and loki are the first non-human top-tiers we've seen unless kaido is really an oni

[sage temple]

Honestly I see Loki as the fastest developed character so far his story is so beautiful

[spice cairn]

Enel was top tier at some point no?

[olive sigil]

Harald I’m unsure of. The rest I love

[spice cairn]

Like he was pretty ridiculously glazed even after Skypeia

[trim lily]

it’s no coincidence loki and harald are the first non humans in over a thousand chapters with coc

[sage temple]

I forgive Harald

[sage temple]

Oh shoot I just realized

[tough igloo]

Human Supremacy

[sage temple]

[olive sigil]

I’m not mad at him but I also don’t like him

[celest mauve]

oda said he'd only have a 500M beri bounty in the new world, so I wouldn't rate him like that lol

[sweet anvil]

Ussop is lowkey violating giant civilians In a fight idk how why you would think Ida is taking him out bro 😭

[sage temple]

SO THERE IS HOPE FOR JINBE

[tough dust]

yeah i get that, i think the only one other than him is maybe king ? but i wouldn't call him top tier like dat

[trim lily]

we better get one fishman with it

[spice cairn]

I think for its time that is very impressive tbf. Like if we were to talk about like, non human top tiers for their time I think Enel technically counts

[celest mauve]

yeah king is not on the level of the admirals or the yonko

[spice cairn]

But obviously he aged a fuckton

So hes not even in the discussion anymore

[olive sigil]

I’m still mad at the fisher situation

[sage temple]

Any male giant would beat him which is the majority from what we've seen

[trim lily]

i think enel would do fairly good in current time

[sage temple]

Excluding kids I guess

[trim lily]

the main problem with enel is his personality

[spice cairn]

I think he just needs Armament imo

[sage temple]

A good chunk of woman giants could beat Ussop

[olive sigil]

Hopefully as part of the new science group

[spice cairn]

Thats his weakest part of him

[tough dust]

fish tiger is a top tier in my hearts of hearts

[tough igloo]

put Enel with the Tobi Roppo and he would look good .. just don’t have him go above that cause then it starts getting scary for him

[spice cairn]

Cracker is the limitus test of whenever or not you are worth considering

[celest mauve]

pekoms victim

[trim lily]

cracker w

[spice cairn]

So you can start there

[sweet anvil]

He’s blowing them to bits before they close in and grab him

[trim lily]

cracker could probably beat kaido ?

[spice cairn]

Cracker with enough cookie guys can overwhelm Kaido

[celest mauve]

is this bait

[spice cairn]

1 Kaido or 1 million Cracker soldiers

[sweet anvil]

Ussop hasn’t been around 1.1k chapters to get low diffed by a bottom of the barrel civilian

[tough igloo]

FACTS ! bro was talking about Enel 🤣

[olive sigil]

I need sentomaru and stussy to meet up with King and Queen and old stussy and weevil

[sage temple]

He's blown 1 human up in pieces and suddenly he beats every race without Haki

[trim lily]

not if you’re a fan of cracker

[sage temple]

I'm just not even going to entertain that at all

[spice cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/charlotte-cracker-one-piece-gif-12276068140665128545

[sweet anvil]

They’re civilians brk 😭

[celest mauve]

I'm not

[spice cairn]

I clap my hands like this

[sage temple]

You guys take what Ussop did to Gunko like it's insane

[tranquil blade]

Enel still fought decently well after he realized he wasnt invincible against Luffy

[sage temple]

Yeah giants who are naturally stronger than humans

You're acting like I said Otama

I'm aware they are civillians

You don't have to repeat it 2 more times

[tranquil blade]

People act like if you can do any damage to Enel at all you oneshot him

[distant vine]

I've given it time to stir in my mind

[trim lily]

oh speaking of otama

[distant vine]

Yeah I don't think I like how Ida died

[trim lily]

now that loki can turn into a beast otama beats him

[spice cairn]

I never did.

[celest mauve]

even if kaido decided to not just blast cracker from above in the sky where he can't be reached, one thunder bagua and the fight's over

[spice cairn]

Ida's death hurts me a lot

[sweet anvil]

And at the end of the day they’re still canon fodder who in any meaningful battle would get taken out by a stray bullet

[olive sigil]

It is

[tough dust]

the funniest thing about the usopp gunko feat is that shes more than capable of dodging bilizing him but she choose to take it.

[spice cairn]

Its the biggest thing that makes me not like this flashback as much besides the Rocks hijacking of the plot

[olive sigil]

I hate meek for that

[distant vine]

I get why Oda had her die but at the same time, she didn't really need to. By then Loki and Hajrudin are old, she wouldn't get in the way

[celest mauve]

died for the sake of a dead mom needing to be included

[sage temple]

No it isn't

[scarlet nacelle]

a single bullet isn't killing a giant dawg what?

[sage temple]

Gunko would be a normal human who let that happen

[distant vine]

Just felt like crossing a mark on a checklist. Don't like it

[sweet anvil]

Well a stray bullet might be a stretch but with a direct attack ussop is killing them

[olive sigil]

Oda hates moms

[sage temple]

Yeah maybe a bullet that's big enough to do anything to them

[spice cairn]

Oda is just generally obessed with killing mother's for plot

[sweet anvil]

Not possible

[glacial bear]

Usopp is immune to bullets with his advanced armament haki

[sage temple]

But since they aren't humans they just wouldn't be effected

[spice cairn]

He genuinely hates moms generally.

[distant vine]

There is something in that Loki attacked the village for her and Harald talked about that, but that could have been done without her dying anyways

[celest mauve]

moms like chiffon and ripley are genuinely miracles

[distant vine]

Just have the poison wear her down so that Mato still takes over the bar

[celest mauve]

alive and good people with biological children

[olive sigil]

The only villain that were killed by the main cast are Kaido and Linlin, both parents

[sage temple]

No it isn't, the only way a direct attack from Ussop has resulted in something being blown to bits is when the target is standing completely still and not defending themselves in any way

My god

[glacial bear]

Chiffon, Ripley, Makino is good too

[sage temple]

This is about the size of a giant's toe

[glacial bear]

I think they’re the moms that are alive?

[sage temple]

Maybe their foot

[tranquil blade]

Usopp probably can beat some giants with moderate difficulty

[olive sigil]

I’m still confused by the mato thing

[celest mauve]

I think that's literally it for moms who are alive with biological children lol

[spice cairn]

Oda has killed 6 mothers from WCI to now btw

[distant vine]

What Mato thing

[sweet anvil]

Ragebait ?

[glacial bear]

Granny Kokoro js cool

[tranquil blade]

That's a quite a few

[sage temple]

Don't talk to me bro

[olive sigil]

The way she’s treated. Like why is she not considered family

[sage temple]

Not really especially if they can be warriors

[tough dust]

at best i could see usopp extreme diffing saul

[sage temple]

That just doesn't make any sense

Ussop has shown zero success at damaging anyone using Haki

[distant vine]

She probably has her own active mom and dad unlike Loki

She just hangs out a lot

[spice cairn]

If we count BM thats 7

[tranquil blade]

We should count BM

[olive sigil]

Saul is one of the rare giants I would give the win over Usopp. Loki, dorry and brogy as well. Maybe hajrudin

[tranquil blade]

There's a few who wont let it go though

[spice cairn]

Yeah so like 7 moms from WCI to now.

[tranquil blade]

but all good things come to an end

[celest mauve]

I like the idea of usopp being the one to show the courage to inspire the giants to fight back against the domi reversi giants, instead of handing him conqueror's haki and ragnir for whatever reason

[sweet anvil]

The average giant is 20m-30m that’s at least 10m tall you’re just yapping atp bro 💔

[sage temple]

I don't really see how that's 10m tall

[spice cairn]

You think Harald and Linlin could've saved the country if they got married?

[sage temple]

And now you're just assuming almost every giant from every other island is weaker than Ussop