also-manga

[steel stirrup]

I should've trademarked ts

[wraith mantle]

imu's end has to somehow tie in with dragon and shanks

[spice cairn]

Real Teech Final Villain guys foresaw it even before it via Kuzan.

[wraith mantle]

i feel like it will be a massive group effort

[prisma yacht]

Buffy is right

[hazy turret]

The amount of chapters doesn’t matter when you consider that Blackbeard’s story hasn’t been portraying as the actual ruler of the world

[stone tulip]

Would argue Imu has more build up if you consider how he represents WG as a whole who are present since chapter 1

[muted hedge]

i thought it was 2020 but it looks like it was from 8 years ago

[spice cairn]

Yeah hes a fat LOSER

[prisma yacht]

gv fb gave insane potential for bb

[hazy turret]

Imu being the final big bad has more going for it than BB does

[wraith mantle]

good point

[steel stirrup]

Oh...👴🏾

[brittle basin]

I was down with it before the Imu reveal. Then I assumed Oda was going to go hard with Joy Boy come again via Luffy in defeating Imu as the true final villain. But the Rocks flashback has changed my mind on this completely.

[steel stirrup]

Garling being a Nue is better than Fenrir imo

[hazy turret]

#TRUE

[stone tulip]

It’s gonna be group effort with Luffy doing the final blow

[steel stirrup]

But Fenrir seems more thematically appropriate

[quick remnant]

This is definitely a possibility, why would oda write rocks failure just for the same thing to happen to Blackbeard, who’s been a much better planner?

[spice cairn]

Imu existing puts a hammer on things and I've accepted that Imu ultimately is the main villain. He just controlls too much and compasses the pain and suffering of at least 80% of characters within the story.

It is such a story significant part of the lore that it is hard to ignore it.

Whenever you think Teech will be the underdog of it or not.

[stone tulip]

Exactly cause he represents WG as a whole and how they both directly and indirectly harmed so many characters (including the straw hats) and how they are the main obstacle for the crew

[frigid gulch]

BB carries the will of one of two who Imu gets pissy about

Combine that with Rocks’ failure

[spice cairn]

However there is a real possibility that Teech will get there via fatemaxxing

[tranquil blade]

Blackbeard still will kill Imu

[frigid gulch]

He will do proper damage

[brittle basin]

I think they can still be the main villain, with BB being Luffy's personal final villain. But I can also see Imu getting fucked over by BB and taking it all since they desire "the world."

[spice cairn]

York is Teech's spy.

[wraith mantle]

doubt bb will lose to imu

[frigid gulch]

Tho I’m not saying he’ll take over the world and stuff

[stone tulip]

Cause Blackbeard is meant to be more of a tragic character whose goals had clouded him and led him into far more worse path than Rocks

[tranquil blade]

Well BB might not fight Imu

[steel stirrup]

This is so wild

[tranquil blade]

He might just wait for someone else to beat Imu and come in to take his powers

[wraith mantle]

yeah but then he kinda needs to avenge rocks somehow

[urban lodge]

At this point BB will probably be the final villain because he's a nasty little cockroach, but Imu is the main guy

[steel stirrup]

😭

[urban lodge]

And him and Luffy will team up and it will be ass

[steel stirrup]

Fair enough

[quick remnant]

Blackbeard has never meant to be a tragic character up until now

[spice cairn]

#Fatemaxx

Gaban also mentions fate recently iirc

[hearty shore]

blackbeard will kill imu and gain rune rune fruit from extracting his lifeforce

[quick remnant]

Thinking Blackbeard won’t play a role in imus downfall is weird, or just admission that Oda is not a good writer

[stone tulip]

Although regardless Blackbeard will be best villain too

[hazy turret]

Like the game?

[brittle basin]

But until the Ancient Kingdom flashback, which may reveal far more about who Imu truly was, it's hard to get emotionally connected to them like BB. Imu's coolness lies almost solely in the mystery; we don't have enough reason to care about them personally just yet outside connections to Lili and Joy Boy and Davy Jones. But they're still mysteriously cool and I do like them for that and the fact they're just comically evil.

[steel stirrup]

Fatemaxx™️

[frigid gulch]

With the Elbaf fruit being portrayed the way it is, it sorta validates Rocks’ thinking. It’ll be pretty clear how much it can do when Loki fights Imu presumably

[wraith mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/elbaph-rocks-rocks-one-piece-rocks-d-xebec-xebec-gif-7921250111547198384

2 questions

[quick remnant]

We aren’t even sure how imus ability entirely works, everyone he’s controlled he’s only been able to do it in their homeland

[stone tulip]

Except he is plus he represents the best example of what Gaban had been saying about expectations being someone’s downfall and we know Blackbeard may have been following Rocks by achieving the same goal so that checks out

[frigid gulch]

The other fruit idk

Maybe it’s the yami

[quick remnant]

What in the story supports anything you’re saying?

[wraith mantle]

imu would become weak af once the homeland theory gets confirmed

[glacial bear]

And Blackbeard has 2 devil fruits

[spice cairn]

Its the imagine imagine fruit

[frigid gulch]

I didn’t initially think Loki would eat this fruit but here we are

[spice cairn]

[frigid gulch]

[wraith mantle]

this is GODA level foreshadowing

[frigid gulch]

Changes things sorta

[frozen aspen]

chapter next sunday btw?

[wraith mantle]

or something

[brittle basin]

It's very hard to deny that BB will have something to do with Imu and their downfall. At least for me. Oda seemed to be pretty non-subtle out it via Rocks.

I'm not sure we spend that much time on a character in a flashback and then just toss BB to the side regarding Imu.

[tawny panther]

i used to think one of them could be the Nika fruit i until it was shown that it doesn’t seem like Rocks knew about Nika .. so yeah with all the lore we got from Teach about the yami and knowing Eris survived GV with Teach , makes me think the other fruit is the yami

[stone tulip]

We got a whole page about this in last two chapters

[scarlet nacelle]

i wanna see a 1v1v1 between imu luffy and bb so badly
it'd be peak

[frigid gulch]

Ye same as me

[stone tulip]

This is exactly gonna set up Blackbeard’s eventual downfall

[spice cairn]

Yeah Gaban plays sloppa

[wraith mantle]

if the final villain is related to luffy becoming the pirate king, its either bb or buggy

[brittle basin]

There's always the chance that happens via the ancient weapons if each of them has one.

[scarlet nacelle]

which could mean bb going to wano with caribou's direction to claim it's ancient weapon

[wraith mantle]

luffy can probably become the pirate king without interacting with Imu once, but he will need to beat BB and Buggy

[stone tulip]

It’s gonna be Marineford type of shit here

[frigid gulch]

But the key word there is “sometimes” isn’t it

[quick remnant]

A statement from a gaban doesn’t suddenly override a possibility that’s been hinted at for years, that’s ridiculous

You’re also presuming gabans line of thought is inherently more correct than blackbeards

[tawny panther]

isn’t the whole point of BB though is that nobody had any expectations for him at all and that’s what made him so dangerous because he laid low and came out of nowhere and nobody really knew him and seemingly only Shanks knew how big of a threat he actually was

[frigid gulch]

Meaning it doesn’t always occur

[brittle basin]

you could have the Final War, a three way between ancient weapons, BB killing Imu and temorarily having everything. Anything is possible really at this point. Hell, BB could die at Laugh Tale or before for all I know.

[stone tulip]

I was referring to the fact that Blackbeard may have possibly put that expectations on himself and we don’t fully know what actually made him who he is today so this is possible

[steel stirrup]

Nice. I hope BB doesnt have to die in the end tho

[tawny panther]

nah he gotta go lol

his ass can’t be kept alive

[frigid gulch]

BB dies via drowning

[tawny panther]

if he was like Rocks then sure but Teach is too evil to let him remain alive lol (Rocks isn’t good either but Teach is EVIL)

[urban lodge]

Exploding because he ate too many fruits >>>>>> drowning

[stone tulip]

I am just viewing at narrative stand point cause Gaban’s words did come true in form of Ace’s downfall via Marineford with him being Roger’s son so he has a point

[scarlet nacelle]

i think in the end he does gotta die
too strong and smart to be imprisoned
and too set in his ways to be redeemed

he gotta get extrajudicially killed

[stone tulip]

Sure but it could be a Chekhov gun

[quick remnant]

Pretty sure the story implies Blackbeard straight up gave up on himself until he found the yami iirc

Regardless what role you’re thinking Blackbeard will fulfill was already fulfilled b rocks, there’s no point repeating it with Blackbeard because that wouldn’t meaningfully move the story forward

[glacial bear]

Would be hilarious if Shanks kills Blackbeard after all that chasing 😭 would be like a Garling & 1hp Xebec type moment

[stone tulip]

Nah Blackbeard is 100% dying

[brittle basin]

I assume he has to die, him ruling the world does not sound like it has good intentions considering the nature of his character.

[quick remnant]

Aces downfall was a direct result of blackbeards funnily enough

[frigid gulch]

I think it applies to Shanks

As well

[tawny panther]

lol is he really chasing though or just spying on him being nosy .. if he was really chasing him he would’ve been pulled up to hachinosu

[steel stirrup]

It would bring it all full circle

If he does die I won't be sad at all tho I'll smile because it happened on some corny shit

[quick remnant]

And as it was said nobody had expectations for Blackbeard

[muted hedge]

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[steel stirrup]

Yea im prepared for it

But it'll be glorious

Im sure of that

[frigid gulch]

Of course it could be used later

But I believe it’s already been used

[quick remnant]

And I have a good feeling Blackbeard will kill shanks

[glacial bear]

If Blackbeard does that. Garling & Shamrock definitely going after Blackbeard

[stone tulip]

I am just saying just because Rocks lost doesn’t mean it’s guaranteed for Blackbeard to win especially when Whitebeard straight up said he isn’t the one who Roger is waiting for meaning that he is destined to lose regardless.

[steel stirrup]

Luffy as well

[tawny panther]

yeah it does feel like Oda spoiled/teased the ending with this god valley flashback .. talking about Davy and showing Teach & we know who Joyboy is .. now we add Loki to the mix too

[quick remnant]

Sure, but losing to imu? Probably not

Blackbeard being another rocks would be really poor writing

[stone tulip]

Yeah I know but even before that with Ace setting sail was him trying to surpass Roger and how the story portrayed Ace as the “chosen” one when he failed to do that

[stone tulip]

Oh for sure 100%

[tawny panther]

both Roger & Rocks were “ too early “ and now this is the generation that’s right on time

[quick remnant]

Blackbeard was never portrayed as the chosen one though, if anything he was always the one the story wanted you to underestimate, that’s why his wins are off screened or anything impressive about him

[quick remnant]

They would get annihilated

[stone tulip]

I don’t think he would lose to Imu specifically but Blackbeard would be fighting Luffy first which would cause his downfall

[glacial bear]

It’ll be interesting to see how Oda structures this

[quick remnant]

I think he’ll fight luffy after, the yami as a fruit might buff Blackbeard to the moon

[tawny panther]

Garling PTSD from Rocks is too strong .. bro probably have flashbacks everytime he see Teach bounty poster lol

[glacial bear]

Cause Imu, Blackbeard, & Akainu are like the final 3 antagonists in Luffy’s story that he has to directly defeat

[tawny panther]

i can imagine Garling having the worst day of his life watching Marineford on TV and seeing this pirate who looks just like Rocks and can somehow eat multiple DFs lol and claiming this era to be his

[stone tulip]

Chosen one as in how people viewed him as when the story made it clear Ace isn’t that, the same with Blackbeard with how his crew view him as and how special his bloodline is especially in post time skip.

[stone tulip]

I feel like it would be reverse cause it makes more sense for Blackbeard to be penultimate antagonist to me tbh

[tawny panther]

i feel “chosen one” fits more with Shanks since he was the “ child of destiny” whereas Teach is just the last survivor of his clan that got slaughtered so it’s basically all up to him now, he’s the last hope of the davy clan

[glacial bear]

The Lord of the Coast eats Blackbeard

[stone tulip]

Yeah those 3 are gonna be the final Luffy’s antagonists unless you count Shanks too.

[quick remnant]

But it was directly stated nobody had any expectations for Blackbeard, his crew don’t necessarily view him as anything special apart from the first few he recruited, in fact they’re mostly in it for themselves

His bloodline being highlighted as one that got ravaged by imu is if anything implication that he”ll be the one to correct course

[urban lodge]

Blackbeard does everything wrong and still gets rewarded for it, he's just as much of a chosen one, he just looks stupid in the process

[stone tulip]

I think child of destiny is more like how Shanks would be the guide for the new Joyboy

[quick remnant]

What did he do wrong lmao?

[thick mango]

Bb mostly makes good decisions he just doesn't care about looking good in the process.

[urban lodge]

Literally all of his plans

[stone tulip]

Except that people felt something was off about Blackbeard and Whitebeard did try to stop Ace from going after Blackbeard first

[quick remnant]

Name a single plan that was stupid

[tawny panther]

idk cause shanks is the one who was a prodigy since a little kid unlike Luffy .. i think at first they did believe (at least some of roger pirates ) thought Shanks would be Joyboy , which is why Gaban said “ you WERE a child to destiny “ as in he stopped being one at some point

[quick remnant]

All of his plans worked out how they were supposed to work out

[wraith mantle]

what makes me think that Imu could be the final villain is that Imu connects directly to the Void Century, Joyboy, and hes the ultimate symbol of tyranny and a foil to freedom.

[thick mango]

All of his plans have succeeded. Like every one. You can say oh well xyz shouldn't have succeeded but clearly bb more in tune with how things gonna go than that criticism

[urban lodge]

Becoming a warlord to enter impel down when warlords aren't even allowed into impel down and they had to make an exception for Hancock

[quick remnant]

Yes but the whole point was that nobody foresaw him as anything more than white beards cabin boy, Rayleigh even calls him that

[tawny panther]

that’s not a stupid plan though cause it worked the way he thought it would aside from magellan .. but he got in exactly how he planned lol

[urban lodge]

Yeah but because of luck

[tawny panther]

him getting into impel down wasn’t luck though

[thick mango]

The line between luck and a good plan isn't always clear

[muted hedge]

Shiryu is the only reason why he was successful there

[spice cairn]

Infiltrating Impel Down. He literally had no plan and vastly underestimated Magallan as a person. It was successful but that was simply because he has fate on his side. His attraction as a D clan individual allowed him and Shiryu to align interests.

[grand flower]

He’s that lucky

[stone tulip]

Anyways I think Oda may do some sort of marine ford type of stuff going on with all of these key players or how some of them will either be Luffy’s allies or antagonists in a way.

[tawny panther]

shiryu and the antidote was but not him getting into the prison

[grand flower]

Also waltzing into MF, he got lucky shanks shut down the conflict

[stone tulip]

Rayleigh called him that just to mock him now ?

[stone tulip]

Yeah it was due to luck

[urban lodge]

His plans work but that doesn't make them any less dumb, his entire crew are strong believers in fate

[tranquil blade]

He was also lucky that Whitebeard had been weakened just enough to be finished off with bullets

or else he probably wouldve gotten pretty badly injured

or maybe died

[stone tulip]

Blackbeard initial plans were great but he is great at adaptability and how much of an opportunist he is, impel down and Amazon lily raid are great examples of that.

[tawny panther]

the plan to go to impel down cause you know most of marine forces are dealing with WB due to Ace wasn’t a dumb plan .. what was dumb was him not knowing anything about magellan before going

[thick mango]

He engineered the war that weakened wb though that wasn't luck

[grand flower]

I think he wanted to wait till then but yeah

Blackbeard is a master at taking advantage of circumstances

But he’s not a master planner

He’s a gambler

[stone tulip]

Wonder how things would go if Shanks didn’t make it in time

[grand flower]

Truly

[spice cairn]

Teech straight up gambled on Impel lmao

[stone tulip]

More of an opportunist really

[tranquil blade]

Blackbeard has a plan of how things go but the holes in his plans he just supplements with luck

[wraith mantle]

i think the marines would have annhilated the WB pirates, Teech was probably gonna escape in the middle of all the chaos

[urban lodge]

It's crazy to think that he would be dead if Luffy hadn't broken in at the same time which led to them freeing Shiryu

Shiryu*

[quick remnant]

Iirc he was able to access impel down because one of the gate controllers at marineford was hypnotized by his crew mates, and him leaving Marineford wasn’t given any notification at all, so presumably the impel down guards thought it was just another marine ship.

Either that or it was a retcon, regardless becoming a warlord wasn’t even a stupid plan to begin with, there weren’t even any downsides to that.

[stone tulip]

To be fair that wasn’t the initial plan cause keep in mind Blackbeard was going after Luffy instead it’s just so happens that Ace confronted him instead which caused the whole thing to happen so it’s still luck in a since, a luck that Blackbeard took advantage of.

[quick remnant]

Losing to Magellan doesn’t mean he lacks a plan. There’s no correlation with that

[grand flower]

Yeah that’s what I’d call him

[wet condor]

Being a warlord didn't really help blackbeard

opportunist is the best word for him yeah

he's not really a master schemer

[spice cairn]

His plan for Warlors didnt even work.

[stone tulip]

Who knows, either way more unnecessary casualties

[wet condor]

Opportunities arise at the right time and he takes advantage of them

[wraith mantle]

what did he accomplish from being a warlord

[wet condor]

Nothing really

[quick remnant]

Sure, but he wouldn’t call him that if Blackbeard was looked at as a threat to begin with

[urban lodge]

With the new context of him being the son and spitting image of the most infamous pirate who's ever lived it's even more dumb

[grand flower]

Yeah it does because it shows how ill -prepared he was he wasn’t even ready for the warden’s powers

That’s the first thing you should find out

[spice cairn]

They didnt give him the infiltration access anyways. And he just bit the bullet started wreaking havoc

[wet condor]

He got a Marine ship out of it I think, but dudes were telling him he couldn't come in lol

[quick remnant]

There’s no correlation with this and what I just said

[grand flower]

Yeah he bullied his way in

[spice cairn]

They told him he couldn't first thing he walked in

[urban lodge]

I know I'm just adding to what I said

[wraith mantle]

true but the marines barely had any casualties, all 3 admirals were up, sengoku was up, garp if he ever felt like joining was also up

WB was dead

[stone tulip]

I mean Rayleigh was trying to bluff by intimidating Blackbeard which worked

[tough igloo]

him being a warlord it helped a bit cause he was at marineford as a warlord while luffy was invading impel down so that gave him a edge towards his plan that would make it easier for him

he could invade while luffy was there

[tranquil blade]

His plan was "I'm gonna use my warlord status to try and get into Impel Down. If that doesn't work then fuck it we ball"

[spice cairn]

He didnt anticipate Luffy invading though.

[quick remnant]

You can’t be prepared for everything, shanks wasn’t prepared when Blackbeard scarred him, is he dumb?

This is about the only thing you can use to call Blackbeard dumb, which says a lot

[wet condor]

Like if part of you plan is "be a warlord so that you can get into impel down" and the Marines don't let you in, then I don't see how that's a good plan. If you were just going to whoop everyone's ass to get in, you could've done that without being a warlord lol

[urban lodge]

And there is correlation, because he had no idea if they would have ever made him a warlord

[grand flower]

Warlord didnr help with that

They told him to turn around

[stone tulip]

We would have more casualties like Koby is gonna die had Shanks never saved him

[tough igloo]

and him being a warlord also gave him access to the guards who controlled the gates so lafitte could hypnotize him

[urban lodge]

It was a gamble just like all of his plans

And he got lucky

[wet condor]

He could've commandeered a ship for this though is thing lol

[quick remnant]

The situation between him letting Hancock go and getting turned into stone, or fighting Rayleigh with one hand was what intimidated Blackbeard, I highly doubt it was the comment lol

[wraith mantle]

i mean yeah but the marines were on a course to win

[spice cairn]

It only worked because Luffy was causing trouble and the forces were stretched thin enough for Teech to make a proper entrance in after he just scraped his original plan and started bullying the guards lmao

[hearty shore]

if akainu ever gets kidney stones does he just burn them with magma?

[grand flower]

That’s exactly it

[quick remnant]

Turning luffy in would easily have made him a warlord lol what are you saying?

[tough igloo]

i’m talking about before he came to impel down he was chilling at marineford cause the marines told sengoku he was there at first , i’m assuming there is where he found out Luffy was invading impel down cause when he arrived he already knew luffy was there

[spice cairn]

Also had Shiryu and Teech not been in the same room by fate demanded. Teech would've succumbed to the poison without contest.

[urban lodge]

What guarantee did he have

[wet condor]

So that's one of those instances where like, he used being a warlord there to get himself a ship but he didn't really have to and he could've done it another way that's almost as easy

[spice cairn]

He absolutely underestimated Magallan

[tough igloo]

how would he get past the gates to reach the guards who control it if he wasn’t a warlord

[stone tulip]

I meant in general cause clearly Blackbeard might have been traumatized by Rayleigh at some point and didn’t want to fuck with him

[urban lodge]

He just thought it would work and it miraculously did

[stone tulip]

Who knows

[spice cairn]

The prison outbreak also needed Shiryu to participate mind you

[quick remnant]

Turning in a notorious pirate who declared war against the Wg, with an actual bounty higher than a former warlord lmao.

[urban lodge]

Because again, luck, he got something even better than Luffy

[spice cairn]

Which lead to them meeting to begin with.

[quick remnant]

The situation was just hopeless for him and he still got Koby and then garp out of it.

[spice cairn]

Luffy absolutely is the reason why Teech succeeded besides natural intituion as a D.

[stone tulip]

Yeah I know, I am just saying Rayleigh didn’t really underestimate him, he was just bluffing his way out to save Hancock really

[quick remnant]

Teach losing to Magellan doesn’t mean he’s dumb, you cannot have everything go your way

[wraith mantle]

i mean with WB dead, the WB pirates really had no chance at winning the battle

[wet condor]

I'd have to reread, but didn't he just use the ship to make it seem like he was Navy? He could've just commandeered a Marine vessel and hogtied all them boys on board. Then you've got the appearance of being a friendly Navy ship, and Lafitte can still hypnotize them

[spice cairn]

He underestimated him vastly.

[quick remnant]

Oh yeah for sure, but the comment indicates that Blackbeard was viewed as a cabin boy

[wraith mantle]

their best case scenario was freeing ace and leaving

[glacial bear]

It’s impressive how Ivankov has so many face masks

[quick remnant]

Like shanks underestimated Blackbeard, does that make him dumb?

[glacial bear]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-ivankov-ivankov-one-piece-okama-fire-gif-13089672642825107671

[glacial bear]

LMFAOOOO

[thick mango]

I think that sort of flexibility is the mark of a good plan

[wraith mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/joe-biden-cmon-man-us-president-candidate-gif-16967331

[quick remnant]

Blackbeard has gone on to defeat vastly superior combatants to Magellan anyways without luck on his side.

[tough igloo]

Lafitre said before they left marineford to go to impel down they managed to get to the power room to hypnotize the guards . he can’t do that if he isn’t a warlord

[wraith mantle]

enough with this usopp ragnir bullshit

[stone tulip]

I mean Blackbeard was Whitebeard’s apprentice just like Marco was, that used to be his role but it didn’t mean Rayleigh underestimated him is what I am saying cause even he admitted that he wouldn’t win against Blackbeard

[urban lodge]

There are hundreds of pirates with bounties in the hundreds of millions, that's not a guarantee. We don't even know what their process is in choosing them

[spice cairn]

We do not know the contextual situation of Shanks v Teech pre-Yami to even make a statement on whenever or not Shanks felt cocky enough to deal with him though. At least not that I personally remember.

[ashen rose]

Just thought it was interesting, I don't really want it to happen because then my goat Loki would be compared to that bumsopp, but whatever

[stone tulip]

I mean that was more of plan B type of thing

[tough igloo]

if they don’t do this then neither Teach , Luffy , Croc, Buggy , Jinbei or Ivankov able to make it to marineford

[quick remnant]

You’re just cherry picking one thing Blackbeard did to call him dumb, and besides Magellan doesn’t have many antifeats, losing to him early on is not serious downscale

[stone tulip]

He gonna do this

[wraith mantle]

loki will NEVER escape the slander if that happens

[urban lodge]

You're underestimating how much luck plays a factor

[spice cairn]

It shows that he was massively underprepared to deal with him. To the point where it nearly costed his life.

[wet condor]

What chapter you get this from?

[ocean totem]

Blackbeard IS dumb. But he's savvy enough to know when to strike a good opportunity

[urban lodge]

You can't attribute luck to him being a genius

[spice cairn]

This.

[ashen rose]

Launch the hammer

[cold steppe]

Did teach see garling in gv? If so it might be the reason he attacked shanks

[tough igloo]

576 , it’s the chapter where they arrive to marineford

[spice cairn]

Teech is a very reckless guy that knows a good time when he sees it.

[cold steppe]

And yes I do think he remembers

[ocean totem]

He's far from any kind of genius for sure

[spice cairn]

He is definitely not a chess master as some people claim he is.

[ashen rose]

"damn, imagine getting cucked by Usopp"

[thick mango]

The plan was to get a high bounty to be awarded warlord. Whether that's luffy or ace doesn't matter. And generating maximum advantage from whoever it happened to be is a skill

[spice cairn]

But he knows how to abuse an opportunity

[stone tulip]

Exactly, now you are seeing the vision

[thick mango]

It is a plan but it's a plan with flexible gaps and then he usually does a good job of filling in the gaps in the moment

[wraith mantle]

how is blackbeard dumb

[quick remnant]

Shanks verbatim states that he did not let his guard down against Blackbeard, but at the same time he wouldn’t underestimate him

[urban lodge]

BB and his crew themselves know it's luck

They can't shut up about fate

[ocean totem]

He doesn't look into his plans, he just gets an idea and rolls with it and lacks the foresight to see things coming that he should see coming

[wraith mantle]

he might not be a genius but that doesn't mean hes dumb

[tough igloo]

true the original plan was to just find a pirate with a big bounty and luffy was the 1st he ran into but the plan wasn’t about or revolved around Luffy

[quick remnant]

I mean what would support him being dumb?

[stone tulip]

Yeah but my point is that he is more of an improviser cause initial plans don’t always work out for him until something better comes up and that’s where he gonna take the opportunity to adapt and have everything works in his favor.

[ocean totem]

His entire plan to get his crew from Impel Down

[spice cairn]

Shiryu agrees with me btw

[urban lodge]

Let's not forget his grand plan of waiting 30 years for a fruit that might or might not show up and if it doesn't he just rots until he dies

[wraith mantle]

he thought he could handle magellan

[spice cairn]

Lmao

[quick remnant]

I would say he’s arrogant but not dumb, all his plans which are pretty good and have a track record of working prove he’s not dumb

[ocean totem]

He didn't know about the guy guarding the place, he didn't know what traps they may have had, he didn't have any actual clearance to go, and he would've died if not for being lucky enough for another potential crewmate to come around

[tough igloo]

yeah the impel down plan was VERY reckless and risky lol it’s some shit that only Luffy & Teach would plan to do as captains

[ocean totem]

his plans have been terrible and he's lucked into literally all of them

[quick remnant]

The only thing that went wrong here was losing to Magellan iirc

[prisma yacht]

So good

[ocean totem]

Being a warlord doesn't get you into Impel Down

[quick remnant]

Why have his plans been terrible?

[spice cairn]

It went wrong the moment he landed

They LITERALLY told him he couldn't enter

[prisma yacht]

Bb truly is the best

[wet condor]

So Lafitte did this at Impel Down? I don't see why BB needed to be a Warlord to do that

[spice cairn]

Teech did not account for this and simply pivoted to breaking in

[prisma yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/cry-crying-pleure-pleurer-triste-gif-16367595859170279013

[ocean totem]

Let's take the Impel Down plan. Not only does being a warlord not get you into the prison, the only reason he even gets to sailing over is because Marineford is happening and no one could stop him from stealing a ship. The war only happens because he lucks into finding Ace before Luffy.

[spice cairn]

It made Teech's entire line of logic fall flat the moment they said "Erm no"

[quick remnant]

Can it not help? Iirc he was able to access buildings that helped him get there but I may be wrong

Regardless he didn’t seem oblivious to anything when entering

[wraith mantle]

i wonder why marineford was happening

[stone tulip]

Also not everything worked out for Blackbeard, like that one time he requested the ships in post war only for Akainu to pull up instead is rare time Blackbeard straight up gave up and and didn’t take any opportunities out of it cause there were none.

[tough igloo]

no he did that at marineford .. BBP were chilling at marineford (cause we see a marine talking to sengoku about it ) when Luffy first invaded impel down then they left , Lafitte said before they left they did that to the marineford gate

[ocean totem]

Nope, he just steals a marine ship and goes. He could've done that anywhere

[ocean totem]

Because of luck

[thick mango]

Yeah I'm saying that sort of plan with a good overall idea/goal but still has the flexibility for improvisation in the specifics of the moment is the best kind of plan

[ocean totem]

It was happening because he lucked into Ace finding him before he found some other 100 mil bounty

[spice cairn]

Teech is a good improviser

And a gambler

[stone tulip]

Basically he had to use the plan B

[ocean totem]

And then lucking into Ace being the secret hidden son of Roger

Instead of just your general powerful pirate

[latent hamlet]

didnt he need to get past the gates of justice and needed the warlord authority to get through impel down

[ocean totem]

No

Warlords have no authority concerning Impel Down

[spice cairn]

I think his original line of reasoning looks good on paper but he completely overlooked how complex the systems in place the marines is.

[wraith mantle]

Teech realized that Ace could trigger a war so he waited till it was time for marineford to happen to infiltrate impel down

He was sure that Impel down will NOT have any outside help as all the forces were sent to marineford

[quick remnant]

Didn’t one of his crewmates hypnotize someone to open the impel down gates?

[spice cairn]

You cant just simply be granted access as a warlord.

[wraith mantle]

Teech is allowed to pivot his plans

[tough igloo]

he needed the warlord authority to open the marineford gates

due to him being a warlord he was able to go to the power room in marineford and hypnotize the guards

[warm sierra]

What about hancock

[stone tulip]

I guess but yeah that’s pretty much what me and everyone else were trying to say, like Blackbeard isn’t a good mastermind but he is great opportunist and has a talent to adapt and improvise so he could turn the tides for his favor

[ocean totem]

No, he didn't. No one did, Blackbeard didn't know he was Roger's son or that anyone in the military knew. The only reason Impel Down didn't have any outside forces was because of all of that as well, had Blackbeard grabbed anyone else he'd have run into the marines and government agents protecting the place

[spice cairn]

He ambushed her and took advantage of the situation then and there.

[ocean totem]

She was given special permission based on joining the war

[warm sierra]

No I mean when she went to Impel Down

[ocean totem]

And she was clapped in seastone to be allowed in

[spice cairn]

She was given that permission and given specific clauses to enter

[ocean totem]

So even with permission to enter as a warlord you're still depowered just in case

Blackbeard's plan was ass

[latent hamlet]

hancock was basically
"i'll join but ONLY if u let me go to impel down"
"....fuck it we need her"

[spice cairn]

It wasnt a random plan like Teech.

[wraith mantle]

But you gotta give Teech probs for breaking into Impel Down at the exact time Ace was about to be executed.

[cold steppe]

She was handcuffed and it was the condition to participate in the war

[warm sierra]

They could have hidden lafitte under blackbeards coat or whatever

[wraith mantle]

it didn't matter if Ace was roger's son or not, WB was gonna pull up anyways

[spice cairn]

Which is fine. But luck greatly enhanced his plans.

Teech lives by fate

He is by definition a D as much as Luffy is.

[wraith mantle]

if Teech grabbed luffy instead of Ace, maybe his plan of breaking into impel down would be different

[quick remnant]

I’m not sure whether marineford was his original intention anyways, I think he was just looking to build up his crew and bide his time until he could strike Whitebeard down.

[clever idol]

Wouldnt have worked since no luffy break in

[tough igloo]

yeah i wonder at what point did Teach decide he was gonna kill WB and take his DF.. cause his original plan was just to find the yami yami then leave WB once he did but somewhere along the line he said fuck it ima take WB fruit too

[wraith mantle]

Since he captured Ace, he timed his break in with Marineford to make sure Impel down was not gonna get reinforcements

[wet condor]

So this helped him get into Marineford afterwards. I'd say that's where being a Warlord was useful but it wasn't some sort of grand plan. This him being a good opportunist and using what he had

[ocean totem]

He broke into Impel Down before the war even sarted

[spice cairn]

I think Gura is just immensively valuable and started to learn Edward's history as a pirate and user.

[wraith mantle]

werent the forces already gathering at marineford?

[spice cairn]

It appealed to Teech

[ocean totem]

Yeh, Marineford was luck from catching Ace instead of someone else

[spice cairn]

It probably also is going to plan into something we dont know about

[ocean totem]

Yes, that's why he was able to sail in without problem, there was only the guard at the door to meet him

[cold steppe]

He also nearly got destroyed by the knock up stream when he had a raft for a ship

[wraith mantle]

exactly, so he timed it well

[ocean totem]

But that's him being good for seizing an opportunity, he just waited until the area was emptied to go

[spice cairn]

Mind you Gura is a world ending fruit.

So why wouldnt Teech want it.

[wraith mantle]

BB is good at adapting

[spice cairn]

It gives him so much leverage in combat

[tough igloo]

yeah you right it probably just appealed to him over time

[ocean totem]

He sucks at adapting

[wraith mantle]

and thats lowkey smart

[ocean totem]

He's good at going for a risky situation and coming out on top

He's terrible at adapting

[wraith mantle]

he adapted to the chaos Ace's execution was causing

[ocean totem]

The man's motto is literally let fate handle it

[tough igloo]

and he knew once he got the yami he was taking WB fruit next .. but he also said he always wanted Boa DF too meaning this was while he was on WB crew .. bro must have a list of fruits he wants for himself lmao

[spice cairn]

Teech is a great gambler but he sucks getting into the flow lmao.

[spice cairn]

Kind you he studied these fruits for a living

[ocean totem]

Not really, he just sat and waited outside of the crossfire until they spotted him

[spice cairn]

For has to be decades

[tough igloo]

but it all depended on him getting the yami yami first

[quick remnant]

Which I don’t think it rlly makes him dumb, his plans havent really backfired except for the Magellan stuff, which is excusable, iirc I think him being a warlord allowed him to hypnotize that marineford guard to open the gates to impel down, him being a warlord certainly helped in that

[icy wolf]

as soon as he got that quake fruit he was using it like he had it his whole life

[ocean totem]

Everyone being emptied was on a schedule, Blackbeard doesn't have to be good at anything to time that right

[spice cairn]

He probably knows what's good and what isn't good for him specifically

[wraith mantle]

isnt that a good plan?

[ocean totem]

He was on the team that timed it

[latent hamlet]

BB be like

"OI WOLF, HIDE BEHIND THE BUILDING U FAT FUCK"

[wet condor]

I mean everything works out for him whether he plans for it or not. Even if he's not some master schemer or his plans aren't particularly well-thought out, it doesn't really matter because he at the end of the day, he got what he set out to do lol

[ocean totem]

Yeah it's not a bad plan, it's a very safe one. But it's not something you have to be smart to do, you just need survival instinct lol

[ocean totem]

This is him in a nutshell

[latent hamlet]

BB trying to mimic the moves like "i think this is how its supposed to go"

[ocean totem]

He tries to plan, fails at most of it, but stumbles onto something good along the way and comes out on top anyway

[quick remnant]

If Blackbeard wasn’t a warlord laffite wouldn’t have opened the gates @ocean totem

[ocean totem]

He'd have died at Amazon Lily if not for being lucky enough to not be in Hancock's line of sight when she fired

[tough igloo]

yeah i thought WB titling the seas was a vet move then Blackbeard did it like 2 mins after getting the DF 😂

[quick remnant]

Thus entering impel down wouldn’t even be a possibility

[icy wolf]

If

[ocean totem]

Lafitte snuck into Mariejois and slipped by even Mihawk

[latent hamlet]

imagine noticing BB only because this mfer ran out of smoke and dust

[ocean totem]

He would absolutely have still been able to get there

[wraith mantle]

you can only plan so much, sometimes it really comes down to making a high risk high reward move

[prisma yacht]

The read godking

[icy wolf]

Observation haki only works when the plot needs it to

[quick remnant]

Marineford was heavily guarded at the time, fisher tiger snuck into marijois, but I doubt he’d do the same with Marineford

[cold steppe]

He's basically a main character of a story we're not reading

[latent hamlet]

guys they finally noticed us
good it took em fucking forever

[wraith mantle]

if that move fails, it doesn't mean your plan was bad

[ocean totem]

Fisher Tiger raided the place and avoided the admirals

[latent hamlet]

fisher tiger was playing a stealth game

[ocean totem]

Lafitte strolled right up to one and Mihawk and neither noticed him until he let them

[latent hamlet]

somehow hiding with his giant ass body

[ocean totem]

Lafitte is easily still getting past everyone to slip into the guard room and hypnotize folks

[tough igloo]

lmao like how fucking long were they standing there 😂i need Oda to reveal that in a SBS .. yall was fighting that hard that you didn’t notice a big ass giant behind you

[wet condor]

I was gonna say something but I honestly have forgotten a bunch of the details and I didn't want to flood the chat asking questions or going back and referencing pages lol

[quick remnant]

Yes but marineford was heavily guarded before a war, I don’t think it was the same as marijois

[spice cairn]

My resolution this year is a reread being in order lmao

Definitely need to refresh

[ocean totem]

It's literally the force that's usually at Mariejois, admirals included, just with more fodder

And in this instance was that force plus the best Warlord

And Sengoku

And the guard tower was apparently nowhere near them, which makes sense given the gates and its positioning

So it's not even like Lafitte would have to slip past all of the marines

[thick mango]

Yeah I guess I'm saying that mastermind thing isn't actually a desirable trait, the 99 step master plan fails when something unexpected happens on step 4. The flexible improvisational plan is resilient

[solid mantle]

Happy new year Bean! 🥳

[rose rune]

Oh yeah. Happy new year bean

[tough igloo]

a Davy Clan , a former CD, a Kozuki & a Buccaneer having a nice lunch in Mariejois .. lmao what were the WG thinking (I know they probably didn’t know about Teach yet but still )

[stone tulip]

Yah that’s pretty much what we are pointing out here

[ocean totem]

Happy New Yurr

[ocean totem]

Blackbeard isn't even that flexible

[stone tulip]

Don’t forget the marine hunter too

[solid mantle]

2027 is gonna be my year fr

[ocean totem]

Something just always comes along and helps lol

[quick remnant]

Good point actually, I may have to reconsider whether I overestimated blackbeards intelligence then

[warm fossil]

(and mihawk 📈 )

[glacial bear]

I’m surprised they found chairs big enough for Moria and Kuma

[tough igloo]

lmao facts didn’t realize how big they really were until they made Teach big ass look normal size & Mihawk a tontatta

[thick mango]

compared to what? or who?

[warm fossil]

this is the type of posture you can only have as the wss

[quick remnant]

Mihawk literally solos all of them right there I’m crying

[solid mantle]

BlackBeard makes a plan, executes the plan, the plan goes off the rails, and then luck comes in to save him

[warm fossil]

nobody asked

[rose rune]

I was thinking about this exact thing yesterday, but more how the furniture industry must be hell

[quick remnant]

Enjoy this block

[scarlet nacelle]

why doffy sitting like that
dawg use the chair normally

[wraith mantle]

i think Blackbeard is very smart but deliberately reckless

[cloud adder]

why didnt they poison all the cherry pies are they stupid (yes, i know the answer is yes 💔 )

[warm fossil]

i will 🙏

[tough igloo]

bro wasn’t trying to feel short lol

he had to see eye to eye

[wraith mantle]

he knows that if he needs to accomplish his goals he will have to take very very risky moves

[wet condor]

lol, I hadn't noticed he wasn't actually sitting in the chair

[tough igloo]

Doffy used to being taller than everybody around him, he around those big ass people and said nah i’m still see yall eye to eye

[wet condor]

He looks way better than the admirals too even though they should be around the same height

[warm fossil]

its pretty random they got moria sitting in the middle

like out of all those people he'd be my last guess for sitting in the middle of the frame

[frigid gulch]

Chudria

[trim lily]

do you think they got big chairs are are they just stuck sitting on the floor

[spice cairn]

This is very rude

[tough igloo]

Teach fat ass being the only one actually eating makes it even funnier 😂 everybody else seems on guard except Doffy & Teach

[spice cairn]

Mihawk please...

[frigid gulch]

Oda upscaled the chairs

[scarlet nacelle]

mihawk being so disrespectful dawg
Get your feet off the table
was he raised in a barn?

[spice cairn]

People are eating at the table

[solid mantle]

Quick question: if you had the chance to erase one piece from your memory, would you?

[trim lily]

no

[spice cairn]

No.

Thats fucked up

[wet condor]

Oh nvm, those are the VAs or whatever. He's bigger than them

[wraith mantle]

Yes.

so i can experience it again

[spice cairn]

I got very shocking news for you

[trim lily]

i dont know if id be interested enough to read 1100 chapters if i lost my memory of it

[frigid gulch]

Mihawk probably had no respect for any of those guys so

[spice cairn]

I would for Teech

[scarlet nacelle]

nah
i wanna be up to date like i am now

[wet condor]

I'm not

[trim lily]

you wouldnt know about him for over a hundred chaps though

[tough igloo]

you think he knows the fat one eating the cherry pies is the one who scarred his rival . Shanks probably ain’t tell him

[spice cairn]

Love at fight foresight

[warm fossil]

no

[frigid gulch]

He might’ve

Shanks told him about Luffy

[wet condor]

I've never done like half rereads of arcs

[frigid gulch]

Although who knows

[spice cairn]

Yknow what if Teech was the protagonist and his two fruits were Nika and Buggys fruit.

[wet condor]

neve done a full reread of any lol

[spice cairn]

How far would he go

[tidal rune]

Loving Teech while using Bonney’s pfp is crazy

[rose rune]

Yes

[frigid gulch]

It’s possible Shanks doesn’t talk about it much

[spice cairn]

Thighbreaker wants to forget about Sanji

So I understand him, me too

[frigid gulch]

But Mihawk is kinda his friend

[tough igloo]

yeah i remember in the ace novel when he told Ace he got a scar from a WB pirate they said his crew was surprised cause he never really talks about it to even them .. but who knows if Oda is gonna keep that in the manga

[wet condor]

This is how I'll be if Luffy gets married and has kids

Zoro too lol

[spice cairn]

I dont mind him settling down

[frigid gulch]

Ye I just remembered that although I don’t take novels as canon

[spice cairn]

It just depends on who

[frigid gulch]

Still it could be canon

[wet condor]

I do lol

[frigid gulch]

Depends

[solid mantle]

Quick question part 2: If you could erase any scene or character from your memory and it wouldn't come up again in the series, which would you pick?

[trim lily]

im an enlightened reader and consider all spinoffs canon

including one piece academy

[clever idol]

Wanze

[tough igloo]

it would be funny if he did tell that to Ace and Ace just kept trying to snoop around while on WB ship to find out which one scarred shanks lmao

[wet condor]

That one panel of Zoro deleting Kokoro from his memory

[wet condor]

Oh yeah this a good one

[warm fossil]

i feel like if oda wanted an ending like that he would have luffy show a spec of romantic interest more than 0 times ever lol

[spice cairn]

I guess for me specifically if Oda were to do it, I wouldnt mind as long as its in a way that its reasonable and his partner isnt a cunt. Otherwise im in agreeance

[wet condor]

That's the noodle guy yeah?

[clever idol]

Yes

[wet condor]

Shit is gross

[trim lily]

[clever idol]

Nose noodle man

[frigid gulch]

Wang Zhe

[clever idol]

With snail eyes

[spice cairn]

Waynze

[distant vine]

No

[solid mantle]

this guy?

[urban lodge]

Don't compare Goat Zhi to Wanze

[clever idol]

Why the kaku edit

[rose rune]

I also find shit kinda gross. Lets be friends

[warm fossil]

no way you're a fan of bum zhi man

[spice cairn]

Is it gross to eat ramen?

[solid mantle]

cuz that's what I had in hand

[urban lodge]

He's the only winner in this entire flashback

[distant vine]

This is tough

[spice cairn]

Wang Zhi just wanted the bag and nobody should shame him for it.

I think hes in the right

[urban lodge]

And how can I not when his name has so much aura

[tawny panther]

there’s another part in the novel where Ace Marco Thatch & Teach are eating and Ace brings it up about someone on the crew scarring shanks & Teach said it was him and it got real quiet the he was like “ nah i’m just joking “ and everybody started laughing 😂😂

[warm fossil]

that would be imu

[scarlet nacelle]

honestly none

[wet condor]

LMAOOOO

[distant vine]

Whats the most damaging scene

[trim lily]

reminder that wang zhi was the winner of the god valley conflict

[clever idol]

No fucking way

[warm fossil]

W

[spice cairn]

I'd erase nobody.

[wet condor]

That should've been canon man

[trim lily]

what did nobody do to you

[clever idol]

That specifically yea

[spice cairn]

Maybe like... idk Urouge for the funny lol

[clever idol]

It still has a chance

[warm fossil]

one piece without sanji

[spice cairn]

He doesnt really deserve to live

[distant vine]

Erasing Rebecca sounds nice

[spice cairn]

Hes a renown love maker but we havent see any lovemaking feats

[rose rune]

Gaimon

[distant vine]

But Kyros needs her to exist

[trim lily]

soon

[spice cairn]

Yeah honestly why does she exist.

[clever idol]

Oda would never. He'd sooner eliminate a sh

[spice cairn]

Ive never seen anyone like Rebecca

[clever idol]

I like rebecca

[spice cairn]

Albair...

You can't just barge in with this surprise

[distant vine]

There's no moment in One Piece that - actually nvm

[clever idol]

Theres not much to really dislike lol

[trim lily]

oda needed one princess an arc and she was decided to be the one for dressrosa

[distant vine]

I'd erase Luffy vs Zoro

[warm fossil]

there are so many characters in one piece worse than rebecca

[spice cairn]

Doflamingo was right there

[clever idol]

Like what even is the hate outside of her attire

[distant vine]

Thats the moment Id erase @solid mantle

[trim lily]

doflamingo being the princess wouldve been good

[spice cairn]

Doflamingo being the princess in the wano arc would've fixed Wano

[warm fossil]

one piece if there was a single rightful ruler who was a bad person

[distant vine]

I dont like anything about her

But she shows up a ton in the arc

[tough igloo]

LMAO … WB after Teach said he was joking and everybody started laughing

[clever idol]

I dont understand that take lol

[spice cairn]

Lord Tacos?

[solid mantle]

Quick question part 3: If you could erase any current agenda from existence, which would it be?

[distant vine]

No traits, no design elements, no scenes nothing that makes me go "Hey I liked this from Rebecca"

[warm fossil]

first of all whats the beef but also i meant a relevant one

[distant vine]

All I can comment is negative

[spice cairn]

Admiral agenda.

[clever idol]

Yall sound like the corrida collesuem spectators mab

[trim lily]

king bekori

[clever idol]

[distant vine]

Anti-Koby agenda

[clever idol]

Yall were booing rebecca right there with them

[pulsar timber]

Rebecca is cool

[distant vine]

Oda just dropped the ball man Idk what to say

[spice cairn]

Nah I would've thrown Tomatoes at her actually

[pulsar timber]

Zamn saying this after that Rebecca slander

[thick mango]

so how likely is it that when things seem their darkest in final war uta will come in and save the day and there will be a narrator box like 'see? I told you it was gonna matter that shes canon". Are we thhinking like 90, 95%?

[spice cairn]

Not just booing

[trim lily]

96%

[clever idol]

I could see if it was like "oh shes boring" but outright hate i dont get

[spice cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/boooooo-this-guy-stinks-serious-spongebob-squarepants-gif-11981386

[distant vine]

Show me Vivi, Shirahoshi, Pudding, Hiyori, any other princess and I can bring up something positive to say about them

[trim lily]

not even the war, uta will save everyone in elbaf

[tough igloo]

is this before or after Kong comes in and one shots Luffy ?

[spice cairn]

Uta is coming to Eblaf

[distant vine]

Well I hate boredom

[trim lily]

her duet of binks sake with brook will save gunko

[distant vine]

So Id say boring me is enough of a reason to hate

[clever idol]

Rebecca trying to fight for the mera to take out doffy and save her home isnt .... positive?

[thick mango]

not only is uta coming to elbaf, shes joining the crew and luffy's gonna have the rescind the invitations to loki and yamato

[clever idol]

But also staying true to her mother and grandfathers pacifism?

Idk that was kinda cool to me

[hearty shore]

better yet: "see? I told you I was gonna matter, that I was canon the whole time."

[warm fossil]

when you really think about it nothing could make one piece worse so uta joining is fine

[tidal rune]

Foxy. Davy Back Fight is a great concept but it should’ve been reserve to gain a new crew member and on a serious fight. I couldn’t take Luffy vs. Foxy fight seriously. I better forget about him and his mini arc.

[hearty shore]

who do you guys think the narrator is?

[tough igloo]

nothing at all ?!! cmon it gotta be SOMETHING 😂

[hearty shore]

robin? nami?

[distant vine]

I didnt enjoy watching it. I'll say that.

[hearty shore]

yamato?

[clever idol]

The davyback fight is what got me into op not too much

[distant vine]

Well, I dont hate all that. Pretty neutral about it aside from the fit that makes looking at any scene with her in it a pain

[clever idol]

Fair

[solid mantle]

are you sure about that?

[warm fossil]

yeah

[clever idol]

Noooow i get it

[warm fossil]

that's peak

[tough igloo]

not even the shiryu killing mihawk theory could make it worst ?! 😂

[distant vine]

She cried a lot. Idk if this is an anime thing but man after the Colosseum it just felt like she wasnt contributing but also had all the screentime

[clever idol]

Do not get me started

[warm fossil]

that would end my suffering

only thing that could possibly make one piece worse is if nami got coc

[clever idol]

[warm fossil]

not a single other thing

[distant vine]

People DESPISED Shirahoshi and Momo for crying and I never understood it cause imo they locked in

But Rebecca never had that. There was the key and that was about it

[thick mango]

it just gets kinda annoying to have a person whining and crying all the time

[solid mantle]

Luffys VA retires.

[warm fossil]

she deserves it

[solid mantle]

I got you with that one

[clever idol]

I never get it when ppl take issue with someone crying in an extremely emotionally charged and damgerous situation to begin with

[distant vine]

Thats misogynist of you to say

[solid mantle]

any other va would be shit

[clever idol]

Like why do we hate tears so much

[distant vine]

Cause you let Usopp get a pass but not Nami?

[warm fossil]

i got you covered don't worry

[solid mantle]

[warm fossil]

yeah usopp deserves it he's been through enough

[distant vine]

Rebecca's role in the story in my mind purely is to be saved by Kyros

And in that sense I'm glad she's there

[clever idol]

If i was rebecca shirahoshi or momo i would not only be crying but also throwing up and shitring my pants and then passing out from their respective situations

[distant vine]

But her as the individual I could never get behind

[warm fossil]

yeah but they're not writing stories about you

[distant vine]

Also...she's just generic to me?

[clever idol]

Well uh....some ppl are

[warm fossil]

like yeah its very reasonable for momo to be a complete bum his entire life but i'm not here to read about reasonable people

[distant vine]

Maybe Im being too mean, but I used to be way meaner

I'd call her Pink Vivi all the time

[clever idol]

"His entire life" he's 8

[warm fossil]

ok?? that's still his entire life?

[distant vine]

Some of my favorite characters are girlfailures

[clever idol]

Eveyr 8yr old is a bum according to adoodoo

[distant vine]

But idk you have to be an entertaining one

Like, funny or unique

[warm fossil]

well no look at loki

[distant vine]

Rebecca's not unique at all?

[warm fossil]

honestly look at robin

[distant vine]

Momo also has several locked in moments so I never had an issue with him

[thick mango]

i didnt even realize people disliked rebecca i thought she was fine

[clever idol]

Loki who tried to off himself and was in tears when he couldnt die?

[thick mango]

rebecca reminds me of vivi, not that great overall but does a good job in the context of her arc

[clever idol]

Rebecca was locked in throughout rhe colleseum

[warm fossil]

ok vivi had slightly more going on but yeah rebecca is not far from vivi but without any of the clout

[clever idol]

She was so locked in that her observation haki worked

She was canonically locked inb

[distant vine]

This scene...

[clever idol]

How is this a strike against rebecca btw

[distant vine]

Lowkey Toei needs to put out an apology for this frame specifically

😭

[muted hedge]

god her outfit

[clever idol]

Oh for sure

Lmao toei needs to apologize for a lot

[digital spear]

Odas sexism and Toeis animation during Dressrosa was a devious combo

[distant vine]

No Im not hating on Rebecca here, tho her outfit is making it worse. Im bringing up this scene cause Im mad at Toei lol

[clever idol]

Understood

Hopefully wit is much less horny

[distant vine]

It stays on this frame for like 3 seconds with jiggle physics too

Its so cringe

[clever idol]

Its insansity

Its like reading anything by hiromashima

[distant vine]

If Dressrosa wasnt 10/10 writing

That arc would be unwatchable 💀

It damn near is already even with the quality of the story

[digital spear]

what has this to do with One Piece

[clever idol]

Wit studios is animating one piece

[digital spear]

oh you dont know

Wit Piece is cancelled

[clever idol]

👀

When did this happen

[thick mango]

they should let me save one piece. every fight would just get a wano-esque narrator box 'Winner: WinnerName' and we'd get this shit done under 1000 chapters

[digital spear]

last jump festa they announced it

[distant vine]

Albair he's lying. He just hates the series being more accessible for some reason

[trim lily]

they needed the funds for season 3 of the live action unfortunately

[clever idol]

I figured lol

[grand flower]

@hot cairn this reminds me, I’d say what I genuinely dislike in OP is the way Oda executed Rebecca’s battle outfit and Bonney’s adult form

I get how it villainizes Dofy and how it’s about Bonney having to play the role of an adult too early but he didn’t do enough to make it distinct from his ah-oo-gah designs

[digital spear]

thats not the reason

[thick mango]

anyone else getting sunday i havent worked in a month dread

[digital spear]

Wait gatekeeping is based

[distant vine]

If Rebecca had been allowed to change in the middle of the arc I may be able to respect the idea

[clever idol]

YC i respect the desire to spread harmless misinformation

And i will join u

[trim lily]

ive still got a week left so i get to stew in it for a bit longer

[clever idol]

But dont u ever lie to me again

[grand flower]

Yeah but really it had to look completely different

[digital spear]

did Jesus ask you if theres something you dislike in One Piece

[grand flower]

Yeah

[digital spear]

Okay!

🧒🏻

[clever idol]

[thick mango]

I didnt see you were responding to @jesus at first

[distant vine]

Adult Bonney is fine but that topless scene is bad in hindsight, which is what I assume youre talking about

[thick mango]

I was thinking you have a personal relationship with religious jesus where you talk about one piece

[distant vine]

That's real tho

[trim lily]

i wonder if theres anyone who consults their god or priest on one piece matters

[grand flower]

Nah the scene of her upside down spread eagle

[clever idol]

Probably many

[grand flower]

Oda shouldn’t have drawn that

[clever idol]

Probably preist that are op fans

[digital spear]

he is always with us

[grand flower]

I sure as hell didn’t wanna see it

Knowing Bonney is a kid

[distant vine]

How do you think I got all the Shanks hype this year done?

[thick mango]

shanks is a depreciating asset, sell while you can

All these years looking over his shoulder hes finally gonna see bb there and its gonna go bad

[grand flower]

That too

[digital spear]

Oda making SURE to reveal that Bonney is a kid and proceeds to show her in even more sexual angles

[grand flower]

It toned down after that

I think that makes his intentions clear

But it’s like

[distant vine]

I dont remember this

[grand flower]

You gotta make it look different

[grand flower]

When she fired the gun

I’m not looking up the image

[clever idol]

A part of me genuinely wonders if hes trolling or joking

Or if hes actually.....

[grand flower]

I don’t think he is

[clever idol]

I hope not

[trim lily]

probably not

[grand flower]

Children seem to be very precious to Oda

Luffy is his embodiment of a child ans completely uninterested in that stuff

[clever idol]

And granted she has a grown womans body but....

Still very weird

[distant vine]

I think he just doesnt care cause the body is adult

[clever idol]

Editors need to do their job

[distant vine]

I dont think the editors really care either bud

😭

[clever idol]

Then fire them

[grand flower]

Yeah it’s still odd to do tho

[muted hedge]

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[digital spear]

well fire Oda

[distant vine]

Who? The guy that doesnt care?

[grand flower]

Or uncomfortable I should say

[distant vine]

[clever idol]

I gladly will when op ends

[digital spear]

its not the editors job to give Oda common sense

[clever idol]

[distant vine]

Oh yeah I dont agree with it

[clever idol]

Well whos job is it????

Who am i emailing

[digital spear]

Odda

[distant vine]

Yeah once Oda is done from drawing my Zoro hype moment manga, he will have to be fired ngl

[digital spear]

Oda himself? Man is the bar that low that we dont even trust Oda with that anymore 😭 I kinda get it ngl

[clever idol]

Once oda has confirmed mihawk > shanks he can answrr for his crimes

[clever idol]

I simply imagine hes in his own one piece bubble tbh

[trim lily]

we need to go back to blaming oda instead of the editors

theyre innocent

[vapid flower]

I’ve never trusted oda once

[digital spear]

so glue, if the editors had more of a hand in One Piece it would actually be good

[gloomy tree]

i blame the fans

[trim lily]

itd be even better if he accepted my editor application

[clever idol]

I blame chrissy

[digital spear]

I blame Albair

🧒🏻

[trim lily]

something something the creator is a reflection of their audience

[gloomy tree]

its fine, you can blame me

[clever idol]

I just feel like he needs to let me do the story boards

[digital spear]

are you Kumadori

[muted marsh]

Trust me guys Lokis df is just a normal zoan I have insider knowledge

[thick mango]

just a horse.

[grand flower]

Yeah I see a horse too

[trim lily]

at this point its an ink blot test

[digital spear]

thank you weebcentral for providing the page after a billlion years of loading time

[muted hedge]

it literally howled though

this pretty much confirms that it's a wolf at least, to me

[thick mango]

thats just loki being dramatic

[trim lily]

it also has claws

[pulsar timber]

Any nidhogg truthers

[hearty shore]

fenrir

[trim lily]

ill take nidhogg over fenrir

[pulsar timber]

Literally gonna take half a year to get the name of this fruit

[trim lily]

at least nidhogg has some potential to be fun

[hearty shore]

what dooes nidhogg do?

[trim lily]

in one piece it seems to be a lightning dragon

[muted hedge]

Fenrir would be equally as fun in my opinion

[pulsar timber]

There’s a lot of hints mythologically to it being nidhogg I believe.

[trim lily]

the biggest is it being paired with the squirrel

[pulsar timber]

And Loki has been sitting at the base of the tree in elbaf

[trim lily]

assuming oda uses it as a ratatoskr analog

[muted hedge]

Ragnir seems to be the one who unleashes the thunder though, so it would be a bit obsolete if Loki also had lightning powers

[trim lily]

yeah

[hearty shore]

squirrel that ate rumble rumble fruit model mjolnir or a hammer that ate rodent rodent fruit model ratatoskr, call it

[trim lily]

i think it has to be the latter lol

unless oda decides to introduce paramecia zoans

[hearty shore]

how would logia variants work tho

[pulsar timber]

They don’t

[muted hedge]

think we'll get any other characters with a weapon fruit as well as their own power?

[pulsar timber]

Maybe their combo is just the nidhogg inspiration

Oda can actually do whatever he wants and keep things vaguely similar power wise

Mythical zoans are free for alls

[muted hedge]

could be, though i'd prefer if Lokis power was associated more so with fire as that would make for Elbaph's two weaknesses

[pulsar timber]

They did mention that didn’t they

[muted hedge]

like, imagine a fire Fenrir or something

[pulsar timber]

Fire and lightning

[muted hedge]

yeah

[pulsar timber]

Maybe he can fart out fires as nidhogg

[muted hedge]

lol

[pulsar timber]

Loki is so great

I’m gonna be really sad when Oda does the incorrect thing and leaves him here

[hearty shore]

inb4 oda makes up an entire norse creature altogether, i mean he literally told us pterodactyls stretch themselves to reach far prey

and triceratops are helicopters

[scarlet nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/byuntear-lobo-lobisomem-werewolf-lobisomem-pidao-gif-5024427197428066691

loki rn

[hearty shore]

and brachiosauruses are snakes (though queen did do things there to make that work)

[dapper tree]

both of those things are just true

[muted hedge]

definitely a great character and yeah i am probably also thinking that he'll stay behind like Yamato did

[pulsar timber]

I hate Oda

[trim lily]

people wouldnt fall for a crew bait twice surely

[pulsar timber]

I will fall for it

He’s just too cool for me to accept him staying behind

[hearty shore]

slaps "ryu ryu" on every single dinosaur fruit
actual azure dragon
"fish fish"

[scarlet nacelle]

too many things in the way of him joining imo

[pulsar timber]

https://tenor.com/view/blackbeard-blackbeard-writing-taking-notes-writing-gif-17583038544116987898

[muted hedge]

i mean sure, though people said the same about Yamato

[strong wadi]

Aw but you see, this time he isn't doing crew bait so that you think he'll join, unlike every other time, he has done crew bait and they didnt join

[grand flower]

Ragnir will join the crew

[pulsar timber]

He is doing crew bait

[dapper tree]

isn't luffy asking him to join crew bait?

[cloud adder]

luffy directly asking loki to join feels like a guaranteed of loki4nakama

luffy never asked yamato or carrot to join directly right?

[pulsar timber]

Oda continues to blue ball us

[pulsar timber]

Yep

[hearty shore]

"hey sanji, why does this squirrel taste like a hammer?"
"how do you know what a hammer tastes like, idiot"

[cloud adder]

the case is closed

[strong wadi]

tbh his question is so irrelevant to me that i forgot

[cloud adder]

loki and ragnir will miniaturize to hop on the Sunny

[dapper tree]

lol

[strong wadi]

But yeah, i do not believe in loki or bonney 4 nakama

[dapper tree]

very true, this is true

[pulsar timber]

Bonney was never happening

[trim lily]

if yamato isnt joining then no one is

[cloud adder]

Bonney is joing too

[scarlet nacelle]

yea the size thing is a real superficial problem, if oda wanted them on the crew he'd find a way

[pulsar timber]

But Oda. All I ask you is one thing…

[dapper tree]

bonney joins when kuma dies again

[trim lily]

vivi get over here so you can kill him already

[strong wadi]

Kuma’s chance to die has passed. He no longer has any chance of dying.

[pulsar timber]

Oda surely had Luffy ask for a reason

[dapper tree]

but it would be funny to die again

[vapid flower]

imu kills him for shits and giggles tehee

[cloud adder]

finally, someone is working on the right type of theories

[trim lily]

it would be so funny if kuma died here after everything

[vapid flower]

u guys aren’t creative enough tbh

Loki rides on Zeus

[scarlet nacelle]

so many ways he could go along with the sunny
shrinking him
him using his zoan form to fly
the big raft
no raft at all and just keel haul him around

[fallen meteor]

cloud on cloud

[vapid flower]

the ultimate thunder cloud

[scarlet nacelle]

so you gonna give up on the cloud logia thing now?

[dapper tree]

loki can just shrink

side effect of the squirrel

Come on guys

it was right there

the whole time

[cloud adder]

never forget the awakened Biblo agenda

[hearty shore]

he somehow gets bodyswapped with ragnir and ragnir dies in loki's body so now loki is forever stuck as a squirrel

[strong wadi]

I'm sure that ship physics would somehow be fucked up if scaled 1:1, but I imagine someone has already typed up a theory on Biblo permanently increasing the size of the Sunny just for Loki

[cloud adder]

the library owl will join the crew to manage loki's size

[trim lily]

but biblo is the traitor

[hearty shore]

instead of shrinking loki, why don't we just make the sunny bigger?

[cloud adder]

oooh, giantizing Sunny would be the easier answer... kinda

how is jinbe gonna steer when the helm is giant size

[strong wadi]

Don’t worry about it

[cloud adder]

unless loki becomes the new helmsman, im sensing future crew tensions...

[fallen meteor]

no? the chapter cleary shows hints of cloud logia

[trim lily]

wheelbe...

[dapper tree]

loki beats up zoro

then yamato beats up zoro

[dapper tree]

all is well

[wraith mantle]

if san juan can manage to be on that raft

[pulsar timber]

The Zoro clause

[wraith mantle]

loki would be fine on the sunny

[scarlet nacelle]

i think zan juan wolf is just so big he walks across the ocean floor

[trim lily]

or hes just not big

[pulsar timber]

Sanjuan isn’t that big

He just kinda floats

[strong wadi]

Unfortunately for you…

[pulsar timber]

He’s just so big he defies the rules

Trust

[strong wadi]

Sanjuan can make himself big enough to walk on the ocean floor and not get sea sickness.

Don’t be mad at me, be mad at the Vivre cards

[pulsar timber]

What

[dapper tree]

it's true

[pulsar timber]

The vivre cards say that?

That’s dumb

[strong wadi]

not exactly, no

it confirms he has a size changing fruit lol

[hearty shore]

bro san juan is the raft

[trim lily]

i think the vivre cards say his biggest size is like 570ft

[viral magnet]

🍅

[strong wadi]

So that's the only possible explanation 😭

[pulsar timber]

I know he has the fruit but I don’t think he’s can make himself that big

There has to be a limit

[cobalt kelp]

Because the azure dragon is a koi fish

[ashen perch]

pretty sure the vivre cards are assuming that he walks rather than float

[cloud adder]

coi

[scarlet nacelle]

(173 meters for the non-americans)

[trim lily]

floating would make more sense

[cloud adder]

conflict of interest fish

[cobalt kelp]

Koi mb

[ashen perch]

I dont think that is ever mentioned in the manga atleast

[cobalt kelp]

I knew it was one or the other

[pulsar timber]

Which is ridiculous if you ask me. Isn’t the sea several thousand meters deep?

[trim lily]

correct

[cloud adder]

oda said "i dont care"

[pulsar timber]

I just assume he drifts and floats alongside the ship

[sturdy steeple]

It’s a passable explanation

[cloud adder]

its really not

[dapper tree]

sanjuan wears floaty wooden shoes

[cloud adder]

DF users should SINK

[trim lily]

him floating makes more sense than him being 2000m tall

[strong wadi]

devil fruit user
floating

[sturdy steeple]

It is
You shouldn’t think deep about it lol

[trim lily]

[muted hedge]

Nusjuro versus Zoro will be such a cool fight

[sturdy steeple]

His whole body isn’t submerged so he gets a pass. He’s that big
As the for the depth of the sea - yeah, it’s OP

[cloud adder]

actually, ig the main rule is that DF users cant SWIM

[hearty shore]

san juan is a moron so he doesn't think about sinking therefore he doesn't sink

[cloud adder]

the stuff about them sinking like an anchor could be handwaved away based on what we've seen

[pulsar timber]

He isn’t touching the ocean floor…

[ashen perch]

okay so he is standing on the ocean floor here, but it might be fairly shallow

[sturdy steeple]

You get weaker in sea if there’s a part of your body in it but you don’t lose your entire strength.

[pulsar timber]

He’d be way bigger

Like zunesha sized almost

[strong wadi]

the real question is if ive been gaslit by the anime when they're literally said to "sink like hammers"

[cloud adder]

bro is neck deep as a giant and youre saying "might be fairly shallow"

[trim lily]

well shallow relative to him

[ashen perch]

yea lol

[sturdy steeple]

We have more reason to judge Oda for incorrect sizes but it is what it is

[scenic dirge]

Sanjuan isn’t gonna be consistently portrayed

Just how it is

[fallen meteor]

maybe sanjuan gets long

[pulsar timber]

I’m right

[hearty shore]

it's probably the rocky slope of the island underwater

[trim lily]

what if he can make only his legs very big

[cloud adder]

do you have the panel/chapter number for that dialogue - i also remember that bit but i want to see the full context

[scarlet nacelle]

oda has a tendancy to make things absurdly big to get across a sense of grandure
he also sucks at keeping the sizes consistant

[ashen perch]

also "a certain burning island" reminds me of Punk Hazard being two separate arcs about an island of fire and an island of ice initially before Oda combined the two. I wonder if that is connected to this

[scarlet nacelle]

many such cases of him making blunders like that

[trim lily]

hes been pretty alright in elbaf

but it was very bad in egghead

[strong wadi]

"kanazuchi" is apparently the word used, chapter 19

[grand flower]

Mera Mera awakening?

[ashen perch]

sure

[scarlet nacelle]

honestly if it was 1 ice island arc and 1 fire island arc that'd be generic as hell
merging them is much more unique and it comes with the admiral fight backstory

[sturdy steeple]

Ice arc doesn’t even really stick out because we had Drum Island before

[trim lily]

half hot half cold is a pretty popular trope so i think its more likely it was his first idea

[ashen perch]

it does sound very generic but maybe the ice arc was gonna be the original egghead and fire was just Punk Hazard

nah he said he merged the two to save time iirc

[trim lily]

oh did he actually say that

nvm then

good on oda for combining them

[ashen perch]

yea, same with Greenbit and Dressrosa

there was gonna be a proper dwarves arc

[tranquil blade]

I mean he's right next to the island it could only be like 80 meters deep there or something

[trim lily]

i often forget greenbit exists as a mini-arc

[warm fossil]

oda would so anything to save time except adding less characters