also-manga

[iron oriole]

It doesn't matter

[prisma yacht]

Do you realise why they fought and turned away from each other in water7?

[iron oriole]

They're all equally important to Luffy becoming the PK

[shadow python]

Luffy was going to leave Usopp in water 7 if he didn't apologize

[coarse fjord]

No! Why don't you enlighten me..

[alpine trench]

Lmfao

[prisma yacht]

good atleast you acknowledged that you don't understand

[alpine trench]

This is funny if you actually read the end of the arc

[coarse fjord]

perhaps you're right but just out of curiosity

Is ussop a good sniper as a part of a yonko crew

[iron oriole]

He's a great sniper yes

[coarse fjord]

If we use yassop, van augur and Ben as references

[shadow python]

The dressrosa shot with Sugar was a great sniper moment

[coarse fjord]

Compared to those three he's on par?

[iron oriole]

Not many in the world are pulling off the Sugar shot

[shadow python]

I don't think we've ever seen Benn shoot

[elder kraken]

Yassop is pulling that

[iron oriole]

Well Yasopp has like no feats so i'd say he's better than him so far

Augur has the best sniper feat

[shadow python]

Yasopp has feats

[iron oriole]

But they're comparable yeah

[coarse fjord]

[shadow python]

He took down a ship with a single bullet

[alpine trench]

usopp is one of the best snipers in the world

[elder kraken]

But Ussop barely fights like a sniper though… in the majority or most of his fights

[coarse fjord]

In terms of skill and talent he's up there yeah

but ussop is weak

[iron oriole]

Like that matters

[distant vine]

Doesnt get to show it off as much as I want

But yes

[coarse fjord]

Of course it matters

[elder kraken]

I deadass thought Ussop was the shipright before Franky joined

[alpine trench]

bro is sweating in cope

[elder kraken]

It does matter

[iron oriole]

Usopp is also very tanky and shit anyway

[prisma yacht]

his ass didnt want to leave usopp lmaooo

no way u read this and came to that conclusion

[shadow python]

Of course he didn't want to. But he was willing to and knew it was the best decision

[coarse fjord]

"tanky" he can't even handle ulti

[distant vine]

Usopp would have joined the Blackbeard Pirates

[fringe citrus]

I mean without Nami theyd never get anywhere, without usopp they'd.. Not have a sniper? Dressrosa is the only occasion in the show where usopp played a role..

[iron oriole]

Any normal person would have died to Ulti's headbutts

[elder kraken]

And get what? Molested

[fringe citrus]

True

[alpine trench]

he got his skull cracked twice and still stood to fight

[coarse fjord]

Well should a sniper of a yonko crew be any normal person?

[alpine trench]

usopp can take immense amounts of punishment

[distant vine]

https://youtu.be/Q9yuUJlCF88?si=pAHmgoFWWHC6mdYz

And then him and Luffy sing this song

[shadow python]

Compare that to Vivi where he was getting attacked, knew she was probably at the palace giving her speech, and still refused to leave without seeing her

[coarse fjord]

Should a yonko crewmate be a normal person at all?

[shadow python]

Or Sanji where he was beat to hell and still refused to leave the island without Sanji

[coarse fjord]

Scratch that. Should a pk crewmate be a normal person at all?

[novel berry]

he kind of was tho

[elder kraken]

He was bad at it

[shadow python]

Holdem was a yonkou crewmate

[elder kraken]

Hence he's a bum

[distant vine]

I mean a PK crew "should" have more than 10 guys. Its not about optimizing things, its friendship

[prisma yacht]

why what's wrong with it 😂
We have seen usopp stand up whenever he is needed I don't understand why you have to bitch about it

[fringe citrus]

Usopp is very tanky, not compared to the likes kf Sanji and Zoro (yes sanji is more tanky then zoro, bro never gets out of an arc with injuries, despite being in similar level fights)

[novel berry]

yeah no shit he has no experience but still fixing up the ship

[shadow python]

Do we think that Usopp is stronger than Monster?

[digital spear]

You go be a shipwright out of nowhere

[distant vine]

He may be more tanky after Wano

[coarse fjord]

[elder kraken]

That's the point, he's a bum

[distant vine]

Though youre incorrect. Zoro just took more hits generally

[shadow python]

Sanji aside a person shouldn't get more durable

[iron oriole]

Ate it btw

[digital spear]

What? So youre a bum lol?

[distant vine]

Rhino reply "Yes."

[coarse fjord]

Yeah he took it but surely he didn't "tank" it

[elder kraken]

Lmao what

[prisma yacht]

Hm so?

[distant vine]

It'll be the funniest thing ever pls

[coarse fjord]

So?

[fringe citrus]

Yeh they were similar prior to wano, but after Wano I believe he's more durable

[elder kraken]

What yall getting heated for

[digital spear]

Rhino not even listening to what I say

[alpine trench]

what's the problem here

[iron oriole]

Usopp didn't get instantly back up & neg Ulti

[alpine trench]

he survived that and fought page one in the immediate aftermath of that while on the back of komainu

[iron oriole]

Clearly thats the issue

[elder kraken]

I get it, he aint a shipwright. He barely fights like a sniper. He's a bum. That's my point

[alpine trench]

he facilitated the turning of the gifters to their side with tama

[coarse fjord]

Oh nothing! I'm sure ussop would tank any attacks from future enemies that is clearly stronger than ulti, I'm sure!

[alpine trench]

wondering if you guys even read the arc lmfao

[coarse fjord]

[shadow python]

Do you think Ulti wears a mask so she doesn't accidentally kiss someone when she headbutts

[elder kraken]

What you getting heated up for bossman 😂 @digital spear

[alpine trench]

powerscaling is causing a cognitive decline in this community

[coarse fjord]

Ussop doesn't need to neg ulti

[digital spear]

Why do you think I get heated up

[coarse fjord]

It's about you having self defense as a sniper it's as simple as that

[shadow python]

I miss impact dial

[coarse fjord]

Ben would at least put up a fight

Van augur could just teleport, and yassop is yassop

[alpine trench]

usopp was never a close quarters fighter, he even says this

[digital spear]

Ben only exists to auralob Shanks

[elder kraken]

Ussop's a bum

[keen quiver]

Ben literally has nothing

[shadow python]

Benns most impressive feat is ripping off Kidds arm

[coarse fjord]

Yet every fight requires him to fight directly, I've never seen him taking position like a sniper does

[keen quiver]

Plus ussop did the best he could at the time

Idk why we hopping on ussopp for this

[elder kraken]

He did, sometimes though

[coarse fjord]

Is it too harsh of me to expect more from ussop

[alpine trench]

his greatest moments of achieving success in a battlefield is when he achieves something out of left field from a distance or him using his ingenuity, idk what you have been reading so far but usopp's strengths dont lie in combat

[shadow python]

Usopp should stay on the ship and fight from there

[sharp stag]

Yes

[fringe citrus]

Guys who is better written. Not stronger or cooler, better written. Zoro or Sanji?

[alpine trench]

expecting more from usopp is wanting him to be stronger, yeah big deal bro

[shadow python]

Sanji

[coarse fjord]

So ussop is good as is right

[fringe citrus]

THANK YOU

[sharp stag]

Hes not good as is, but i doubt he’ll change

[coarse fjord]

[elder kraken]

Isn't this what you see in one of those newspapers

[digital spear]

Yeah good that we cleared that up

[novel berry]

Sanji has more depth as of now

[coarse fjord]

Give me some examples

[alpine trench]

what?

didn't you read the story?

what examples should i give

[shadow python]

Usopps goal isn't to be the best sniper it's to be a brave warrior. And hiding in a corner somewhere sniping enemies isn't exactly the bravest thing

[fringe citrus]

Imma crash out if Sanji doesn't get conqueror haki

[coarse fjord]

I did

[shadow python]

Usopp did offer sniper support back in Arlong Park with him shooting rubber bands

[digital spear]

Good that he doesnt do that

[elder kraken]

That’s the thing. He excels in a distance yet proceeds to fight close combat in most of his fights for some reason

[shadow python]

He wants to be brave

[alpine trench]

????? he doesnt chose to fight close quarters

[novel berry]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-sugar-sugar-one-piece-usopp-usopp-one-piece-gif-26153337

[coarse fjord]

How do you fight in distance in an enemy territory

[coarse fjord]

[novel berry]

saved luffy and law from becoming toys or atleast one of them

[digital spear]

Being a sniper

[shadow python]

Nami also could be effective at a distance. She probably doesn't need to be at the scene to do her weather thing

[cold steppe]

Usopp's case has been established at enies lobby
Even sanji helped him realize it

[iron oriole]

Saved all of Dressrosa

[fringe citrus]

Yeh they wouldve died in dressrosa if it weren't for usopp but he's far from the most important in the crew

[digital spear]

Who said that

[iron oriole]

They're all equally important, stop being a dumbass

[shadow python]

Usopp vs Luffy was the best fight in Usopps career. It showed that he's more effective setting traps than sniping

[coarse fjord]

So if it's a case like him fighting ulti, what happens?

[novel berry]

Did yall already forget what he did in thriller bark

[coarse fjord]

No

[shadow python]

Look at naked nami?

[novel berry]

the story would’ve ended right there if he wasn’t negative

[digital spear]

That what happened happens

[fringe citrus]

Alr mr aggressive, doesn't it say to be civilised

[iron oriole]

I'm not aggressive

I just call people how they are

[coarse fjord]

Ok

[shadow python]

Robin probably could handle the negative hollows

[coarse fjord]

Equally important?

Are you telling me ussop is equally important as robin

[iron oriole]

Yes

[coarse fjord]

Or nami

[iron oriole]

Yes

[fringe citrus]

Without any of the people in the crew, Luffy can't be pirate king, but in how far they'd get into the story, he wouldn't get that far to say the least

[iron oriole]

Luffy needs them all to become PK

[elder kraken]

Run, dip, play dead or die

[iron oriole]

No ifs or buts about it

[coarse fjord]

A weak combatant vs the only ponegliff reader

[iron oriole]

They all matter the same to Luffy, if thats not equal importance then idk wtf is

[coarse fjord]

A talented navigator that brings the crew to their destination safely vs a weak combatant

[cold steppe]

That just proves even more what usopp is best at. That fight was mostly thanks to him knowing information about his foe, preparing and planning. It had nothing to do with strength

[elder kraken]

If running worked on Joseph Joestar why not Ussop?

[coarse fjord]

Just look at wano

A shipwright is doing more than a sniper

[shadow python]

Luffy was without his crew for all of 5 minutes in Amazon Lily and he almost died to mushrooms

[elder kraken]

Cuz he an easy target bum. Ussop thought some jelly beans will get him ready up for the new world

[fringe citrus]

Exactly

[alpine trench]

just a few examples of usopp's marksmanship and ingenuity at display

[coarse fjord]

A ponegliff reader nerd is doing more than a sniper

A musician is doing more than a sniper

the NAVIGATOR is doing more than a sniper

[digital spear]

Yeah lets dumb down every strawhat to their jobs that definitely works

[iron oriole]

Fr

[elder kraken]

A henchman too dont forget my goat

[alpine trench]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-jump-scare-gif-25853524

[ruby moat]

Y’all expecting a dude with that name to be arguing in good faith??

[digital spear]

Who is the henchman

[alpine trench]

powerscaling rots people's brains folks

dont argue with people like this

its a waste of time

just leave them to their own devices

[coarse fjord]

Is it too harsh for me

[digital spear]

I dont expect anything from opfans anymore

[shadow python]

Powerscaling is fine. But I don't see how it's relevant here

[coarse fjord]

I'm genuinely concerned that's all

[alpine trench]

no you're not

[shadow python]

Usopp is weaker than Franky. But that doesn't mean anything

[elder kraken]

That's smth what my unc would say, unc

[coarse fjord]

I am really

[ruby moat]

🥺 I’m concerned

[alpine trench]

are you having difficulty reading that lil bro

[shadow python]

Speaking of powerscaling though. Loki is pretty strong

[iron oriole]

If it looks like a duck & quacks like a duck... then it's a duck... replace "duck" with whatever you want for this current convo

[cold steppe]

Even if we use power scaling. Do you honestly believe usopp was stronger than the enemies he defeated?

[iron oriole]

[digital spear]

I'm concerned (I looked at bad tiktok memes and they told me its fun to hate on Usopp so ill just shut down my brain and do that)

[shadow python]

Usopp was stronger than Dosun

Who did he beat besides that?

[coarse fjord]

Being a sniper means you're the main fighter of the crew. The front liner, someone you expect to be able to reliably take fights even if it's through sniping within distance

Ussop doesn't fulfill that role whatsoever

[iron oriole]

Lmao main fighter

[coarse fjord]

Only time he does is enies lobby and dressrosa

[ruby moat]

U made that up that’s not what being a sniper means

[iron oriole]

[coarse fjord]

Yeah?

[iron oriole]

Calling Usopp a main fighter

[sly belfry]

so true

[ruby moat]

U just called a sniper the front liner

[coarse fjord]

[digital spear]

Me when im in a just say anything competition and my opponent pulls up "Being a sniper means you're the main fighter of the crew"

[elder kraken]

Snipers are supposed to be on the back line not front line

[prisma yacht]

😭

[keen quiver]

Discussion really degrades this early

[sly belfry]

wtf is this origami stuff

[coarse fjord]

Front line or back line, they're combatants

[keen quiver]

Makes me miss the usual stack

[novel berry]

don’t the main fighters depend on the crew

[alpine trench]

What

[gloomy tree]

???????? no it doesnt

[iron oriole]

I'd rather deal with Socrates spamming Loki every 0.1 second

[coarse fjord]

[shadow python]

Who was Kaidos sniper?

[alpine trench]

So this is all on the basis of a very wrong false idea of what a sniper is

[craggy vapor]

Usopp used conquerer’s haki there.

[iron oriole]

Obviously the front liner, Batman

[alpine trench]

Can’t say I’m surprised

[elder kraken]

Not front line

[gloomy tree]

Snipers in the frontline

[iron oriole]

Bro wants Usopp to run around like its CoD

Quickshotting people

[alpine trench]

Snipers are not the main combatants of any given unit

[rose rune]

360 no scope usopp

[gloomy tree]

truuuuu

[coarse fjord]

They're supports from backlines

[shadow python]

Shanks' crew has 3 snipers

All some of his most notable members

[iron oriole]

Exactly... supports... not main combatants

[digital spear]

By that definition Usopp excelled so well done

[elder kraken]

Yes, not something what you said a while ago

[iron oriole]

They SUPPORT the main combatants

[unique lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/lmao-csgo-counter-strike-global-offensive-awp-gif-13789589

[elder kraken]

Still though Ussop only fights like that…. sometimes

[alpine trench]

They’re back support and utility fighters, the combatants up front are infantry and cavalry, that’s Zoro and Sanji and Luffy, snipers are a highly important support role though and Usopp functions excellently

[rose rune]

Unless you are that one finnish sniper

[shadow python]

Which is all the red hair pirates need. Shanks can be a one man show

[iron oriole]

Usopp in the final war

[coarse fjord]

No they're combatants still

[craggy vapor]

u think Ragnir can transform into a gun for Usopp?

[prisma yacht]

Lmaoooo

[iron oriole]

Ah the white death or whatever he was nicknamed?

[shadow python]

No its a hammer

[unique lagoon]

reminds me of anime auger trying to shoot bepo at melee range

[alpine trench]

Do you guys think Usopp doesn’t have the firepower to overwhelm? Especially in long range?

[unique lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-egghead-egghead-arc-one-piece-1115-one-piece-ep-1115-gif-16788105158798567507

dumbass

[shadow python]

Squirrel is also way stronger than most it's better off just fighting on its own than being used by Usopp

[alpine trench]

What

[elder kraken]

Hell yes

[coarse fjord]

I don't know what to expect if he's shooting green beans gng

[prisma yacht]

that's filler tho

[distant vine]

Fate said he's getting neg diffed 😂

[unique lagoon]

yep

[rose rune]

Yeah

[gloomy tree]

giving support like he is supposed to

[unique lagoon]

its just reminding me how stupid it is

[elder kraken]

He is shooting m&ms or some shit

[alpine trench]

What do you think those green beans do broski

[gloomy tree]

limiting moving, rooting

[distant vine]

Better not see any of these BB YC's on a tier list above Bepo

Except for like Kuzan, and Pizzaro

[shadow python]

Bbs crew says Kuzan is pathetic

[elder kraken]

Give fertiliser to the soil

[gloomy tree]

the only to put on the list if at all would be forced Sulong Bepo

[shadow python]

Bb probably soloed Marcos pirates

[iron oriole]

Green beans that blow half a body away

[coarse fjord]

Explode

[craggy vapor]

reminds me of pistol users sniping players from the back with aim assist.

[unique lagoon]

how many sniper feats has been done in this series anyway
augur shooting a bird
and dresrossa ussop?

[coarse fjord]

I wonder why he never used it on someone like ulti

[gloomy tree]

people always wanting Usopp to be a mainstream sniper, BORING, green pop does exactly what Usopp needs

[coarse fjord]

[novel berry]

Bb would never fight solo as of now

[distant vine]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-animated-gifs-one-piece-one-piece-anime-sulong-bepo-one-piece-sulong-bepo-vs-the-blackbeard-pirates-gif-11553376592853702885

[elder kraken]

She let him hit that shit to aura farm

[shadow python]

Yasopp blowing up the Barto club

[alpine trench]

Usopp at Enies Lobby, Usopp at Dressrosa, Augur in Jaya

[unique lagoon]

has teleporting DF
shoots the giant rock instead

[distant vine]

What people dont talk about is he's doing this to half the SH's too 😭

[shadow python]

Pre payback war its unclear if Kuzan was working with BB but we know that most of BBs crew didn't have their devil fruits

[prisma yacht]

We see yasopp destroying bartolomeo's shop

[coarse fjord]

In everything there has to be comparisons

[novel berry]

ussop blowing up johnny and yosaku

[unique lagoon]

not sure if thats a big deal for a sniper
it was a straight line

it did explode

sooo

[shadow python]

Usopp blowing Johnny is technically the thing that convinces Luffy he'd be a great sniper

[elder kraken]

Yassop hit the jackpot

[unique lagoon]

clearly ACOA bullets

[craggy vapor]

because he is smart. Who would fight solo if your chance of survival is bigger when fighting as a team?

[elder kraken]

Still jackpot, probably no scoped too

[digital spear]

That wasnt what Butter was asking, Yasopp blowing up the ship was more of a firepower feat and less a sniper feat (the ship wasnt that hard to hit)

[elder kraken]

Bb fighting style is all about brains

[novel berry]

Yeah ik he’s the only character in the show who acts like an actual pirate

[shadow python]

He hit a spot on the ship that allowed it to blow up

[coarse fjord]

Why can't snipers have high firepower

[unique lagoon]

yasopp used his obs to find the gun powder inside the ship
then aimed for it

[digital spear]

They can, the question is different tho

[shadow python]

Yasopp is also said to be able to take off the antenna off an ant without killing it. He's a great sniper

[elder kraken]

Damn

[tawny panther]

Robin said Marco side got obliterated , Marco said they stood no chance vs Teach since he had WB DF .. he probably was whooping they ass lol

[prisma yacht]

I thought we just counting all the snipers' feats

[shadow python]

And we saw that Vista and Jozu were capable enough to hold off Mihawk individually. Marco had 12 other division commanders along with himself

[ruby moat]

Usopp sniping seastone cuffs on to caeser

[coarse fjord]

So do you think ussop currently is good as is

No improvements needed, he's a perfect sniper for a pirate king

[prisma yacht]

I mean he is getting ragnir anyway

[tawny panther]

huh lol

[shadow python]

Squirrel is way stronger than he is

[prisma yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/muehehehe-gif-4405977563994366182

[urban lodge]

Why do people want bad things

[tawny panther]

lmao literally

[shadow python]

There is an argument that Squirrel is stronger than Rocks

[prisma yacht]

It's a good thing

[rose rune]

Sadomasochism

[coarse fjord]

L theory

[prisma yacht]

Time will tell

[elder kraken]

Ussop gotta feed his weapon a DF to save him from hate

[tawny panther]

don’t ruin Ragnir by trying to give it to Usopp 🤣 .. that’s literally Loki personal weapon lol even more personal than Enma is to Zoro

[shadow python]

Enma belonged to two other people before Zoro.

[coarse fjord]

Might as well give it to Franky

Much better candidate

[shadow python]

I'd say Enma belongs to Hiyori

[coarse fjord]

[alpine trench]

Why should Ragnir be given to anyone

[coarse fjord]

And hiyori belongs to Zoro

[tawny panther]

it don’t , Hiyori never even used it

[dense haven]

ragnir fans make some noise

[craggy vapor]

I’m saving this for later for laughing at this bad take.

[unique lagoon]

technically true
it was entrusted for hiyori

[ruby moat]

??

[coarse fjord]

[alpine trench]

It’s Loki’s personal weapon, what is this shit about Ragnir going to someone else

[shadow python]

Which is a whole other issue. Hiyori should have killed Orochi with enma

[dense haven]

usopp fans are coping hard

[coarse fjord]

Idk gng these people with their delusion

[tawny panther]

Loki had to fight Ragnir and has been using it for years since he got it , Hiyori never used Enma and just let it collect dust and decided to just trade it for ryuma sword lmao

[shadow python]

But instead she had to get saved by Denjiro against a crippled weakling

[unique lagoon]

but what if it happens tho
what then

[elder kraken]

It started bc of that one front cover art where a squirrel was sleeping beside ussop 😂😂😂

[coarse fjord]

Even if ragnir is to be given to someone, its not gonna be bumssop

[rose rune]

https://tenor.com/view/gollum-smeagol-sméagol-must-have-the-precious-the-precious-gif-13841950807460667248

[urban lodge]

People are desperate to make Usopp strong but him being strong is bad, he's way more interesting if he stays the weakest

[dense haven]

they always though usopp would somehow get ragnir but now they're certain just because its a dumb animal

[coarse fjord]

Give it to Franky is a better candidate

[dense haven]

like the fact its a dumb animal means hes gonna be dumb enough to chose usopp

[novel berry]

Franky would just make his own hammer

[dense haven]

incredibly low standards all around

[tawny panther]

didn’t Oda say Usopp would always be the weakest SH .. that automatically rules out him
getting Ragnir 🤣

[urban lodge]

Which is super stupid because they were all playing with squirrels, that's the entire idea behind that color spread

[elder kraken]

Franky is getting upgraded by Vegapunk 🙏🙏🙏

[prisma yacht]

The "giving" part is not necessary
but consider usopp using ragnir on his slingshot giving it the perfect trajectory to hit imuko

[alpine trench]

Why the fuck would Franky have it

[stone terrace]

I asked for usopp character development but all these people want is hype moments and aura

[tawny panther]

lmao they said fuck his character just give him a strong weapon smh

[unique lagoon]

worst timeline btw
assuming ragnir is needed to build an ancient weapon cuz shipwright stuff

[prisma yacht]

Do you see the vision harsh

[shadow python]

I don't see why squirrel needs to be given to anyone. It's strong enough to be too much for Harald pre powerup

[elder kraken]

Nahhh it was Oda's foreshadowing

[shadow python]

This puts squirrel at stronger than Rocks it can solo Kaido

[prisma yacht]

😭😭😭

My precious

[tawny panther]

that wouldn’t. make sense either since Harald said no giant was ever able to beat Ragnir

it’s implied it’s just always been with the DF

[coarse fjord]

Let's give ussop a hammer stronger than yonkos

[unique lagoon]

100 giant shipwrights use hammers
so it makes total sense that ragnir was meant to be used by a shipwright
but loki dont know how to do that atleast not yet

[rose rune]

Gollum is a good visual representation of usopp fans who wants usopp to get upgrades

[prisma yacht]

Oh he's going to inspire all of elbaf
don't you worry about it

[rose rune]

Instead of a character arc

[prisma yacht]

I just want my precious to shine the brightest in this arc

[shadow python]

Usopp could have had an upgrade of egghead

[rose rune]

Giving him an op weapon would make him shine less

[coarse fjord]

Typical ussop every arc

[unique lagoon]

i think theres more to it
you can force ragnir to work with you
or ragnir works with you willingly

also more backstory for what ragnir is for

[shadow python]

Those bubble guns that dealt with the invincible seraphim? Would be pretty useful

[prisma yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/tom-and-jerry-jerry-laughing-3amskypecall-gif-1225091949170588240

[coarse fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/this-guy-bricky-ghostrunner-this-man-this-person-gif-23693780

[tawny panther]

but if that was the case then the DF would’ve also been eaten if they’re able to work with Ragnir but Harald said no one was ever able to because no one could get past Ragnir and i’m sure he’s right cause we know Jarul used to share history with him and we know Jarul would know cause he knew about the Galle La giants

[shadow python]

Usopp blowing off Gunkos top is actually way more than he typically does

[unique lagoon]

theres also the whole combo idea
that ragnir and the DF user NEEDs to be together

[prisma yacht]

usopp getting destroyed by gunko is also a fuel to his character

[shadow python]

Like Usopp outperformed Jinbabe

[coarse fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/genius-smart-so-many-genius-this-server-has-so-many-geniuses-gif-17960640212511392691

[prisma yacht]

@rose rune ^

[unique lagoon]

thats the best part
ragnir just dint pick anyone worthy
how does it pick which one? who tf knows

[rose rune]

Ass

[shadow python]

Loki is good with animals and squirrel is an animal

[unique lagoon]

im also waiting if lokis special eyes has anything to do with ragnir working with him

[heady smelt]

Gunko x Usopp new ship unlocked XD

[elder kraken]

Realy? No shit bro!!!! 😱

[prisma yacht]

sad that you can't see what I see

[rose rune]

I see it, but I have different taste

[urban lodge]

The full color spread not conveniently cropped ragnir bros don't want you to see

[tawny panther]

Harald believed being worthy enough for Ragnir was based on the users strength … hard to tell if he was right or wrong

[coarse fjord]

Luffy: "I should've left him on enies lobby ngl"

[unique lagoon]

how many squirrel is that

[heady smelt]

Finally someone normal around here ❤️

[shadow python]

Just noticed that Sanji refuses to sleep with men

Instead he reads a book about cocking

[coarse fjord]

Sleep or sleep

[prisma yacht]

It will be an inspiring moment.
I'm sure you will like it when it actually happens

[elder kraken]

The strawhat is killing Loki and stealing Ragnir forehadowing

[urban lodge]

I just noticed it's the cocking color spread lol

[shadow python]

Zoro seems like a bad person to sleep with

Poor Hiyori must have struggled

[unique lagoon]

loki wont join SH
its the freaking squirrel all along

oda did it again

🧎‍♂️

[shadow python]

I was worried about Loki being too strong for the crew initially. But squirrel is probably stronger than Luffy

I wouldn't expect anybody on elbaf to join since the arc was going to get skipped initially

[unique lagoon]

brave take

[stone terrace]

!patterns

[tropic nova]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/486983010025996299/728691851556552744/unknown.png

[pine ridge]

not this again

[rose rune]

We're still skipping elbaf. Trust

[prisma yacht]

Usopp stocks are going to skyrocket soon

[pine ridge]

skipping elbaf is the new raid will fail

[unique lagoon]

haki bombs from luffy

[rose rune]

After flashback it will cut back to the strawhats thanking the giants before they leave

[shadow python]

I would love if the elbaf plot was resolved by everyone up top while loki was giving his long flashback

[unique lagoon]

nami will remember and just convert these to haki then force luffy to store haki

potential funny scene of luffy almost dead cuz haki gets drained

[shadow python]

Nami seems more science than magic but the wind knots look like magic

[pine ridge]

"sounds like a you problem" - luffy

[unique lagoon]

you guys ready for this to be Shirahoshi and Loki?

[shadow python]

Shira is 16 isn't she?

[unique lagoon]

luffy/nika was just suppose to be a mediator all along

[shadow python]

Are we too late?

[unique lagoon]

neptune already tried doing contract marriage

[shadow python]

Shira said Vanderdecken wasn't her type inferring that she had someone else she was interested in

[frail cradle]

loki

[shadow python]

Loki is infact very tall

[heady smelt]

ready!!!!!!

[graceful belfry]

Happy Saturday

[unique lagoon]

do people still think that that wording means they where suppose to be born at the same time

[heady smelt]

No just that they are meant to take part in something together as "queen and king" or "kings"

[unique lagoon]

whatever that means

[graceful belfry]

[heady smelt]

Obviously the plan didn't work well the previous time, could be a reference to Joyboy's promise

[shadow python]

It sounds like the destined time was last year for Shira at least

[unique lagoon]

what if joyboy was suppose to find the loki version of that time but he failed

[shadow python]

But staying locked in her room probably wasn't great for fulfilling destiny

[heady smelt]

Agreed, or Joyboy had to face Imu or accomplish a specific mission that made it impossible for him to fulfill his part

[pine ridge]

I think it's loki and shira but I dont think it's anything more than the leaders of fishmen and giants becoming allies

[rose rune]

"My type is a strong muscular man who's tied up".... this sounds so wrong

Wrong reply btw

[unique lagoon]

[heady smelt]

"I could tie him up as much as i want" hehe

oops

[rose rune]

👁️ 👁️

[unique lagoon]

ancient giant with special eyes using legendary df and hammer

• ancient power Poseidon thats been reincarnated who knows how long
  you sure its not more than just being prince and princess

[heady smelt]

No Imu you didn't see that 🫣

[shadow python]

The reverie is every 3 years right? Could Loki have been trying to go to the reverie 6 years ago?

[rose rune]

Maybeh

[tawny panther]

possibly although idk if Loki would try to go to a reverie

[rose rune]

[pine ridge]

I mean their relationship. a lot of people seem to think it'll more

[unique lagoon]

you guys still think this is nika user?

or joyboy i guess

[gloomy tree]

isnt it every 4 years

[high wolf]

Isn't it already confirmed that "mosa" is shirahoshi?

[tawny panther]

yeah seems to be Joyboy , since he also left a apology letter with them

[unique lagoon]

oh i care more about ancient purpose

[graceful belfry]

Yeah

[pine ridge]

for sure joyboy

[rose rune]

You're right

[unique lagoon]

cuz so far everything is a cycle

[gloomy tree]

no

[rose rune]

It's hinted at, but not confirmed

[tawny panther]

it’s been theorized but not confirmed

[rose rune]

Could be the dad

Neptune

[shadow python]

Come to think of it can't Chopper also talk to sea kings?

[high wolf]

I didn't know

I mean, it's definitely implied in the story.

[pine ridge]

could be one of the brothers

[gloomy tree]

there is a good chance its her, but it also might be a red hering from Oda

[unique lagoon]

loki calls the snail hairy
herald and roger calls neptunes daughter hairy
thats basically the reason

[rose rune]

I prefer imagining neptune dressing up as shirahoshi bwfore he calls loki

[unique lagoon]

recent info also with herald and neptune convo

[pine ridge]

they call her hairy cause she's neptune's child. Neptune has more than one child

[high wolf]

I don't think it's red herring.

[unique lagoon]

no they specifically said the daughter iirc

context

[abstract heath]

who tf is mosa

[tawny panther]

if it is Shirahoshi then I wonder what’s going on in FMI for her to have to end their convo (I don’t think it’s Teach cause last we saw him he was plotting on the Revs & CDs with Lafitte)

[gloomy tree]

fair, im not convinced its her tbh but its very possible

[shadow python]

How fast can Shira swim? I imagine she's way faster than a ship. Could she not be mounted and used to fast travel?

[rose rune]

The phone has pretty eyelashes tho

[unique lagoon]

blackbeard already got poseidon man
its so over

[tawny panther]

i don’t think that’s him

[unique lagoon]

surely BBP changed their plans after hearing caribou info

[tough igloo]

me neither, we saw Teach the day before the straw hats arrived to elbaf and he’s making a move on the Revs

[high wolf]

Yeah, because the person talking was very mature according to the translators, so I agree with you.

[unique lagoon]

so you think Teach wont bother changing the plans after hearing 2 countries having ancient weapons?

[pine ridge]

yeah they called her neptune's hairy daughter. but that's because neptune himself is hairy so it'd make sense his kids would be hairy too. there's nothing about shirahoshi specifically that made them call her hairy

[muted hedge]

https://x.com/Shaku_netsu/status/2003979375214289268/photo/1

shakunetsu (@Shaku_netsu)

#ONEPIECE #Luffy

X · Dec 25, 2025, 12:01 AM

[tough igloo]

he’ll do the ancient weapon stuff after he’s done with his revs missions with Lafitte cause he told him to get ready meaning they were about to enact their plan

[unique lagoon]

the joke is they think shira would be hairy cuz neptune is hairy

but ofc shes not

[tough igloo]

plus he’s also finding out about Saturn appearance from Devon & he just found out he has Garp captured .: don’t see him going after ancient weapons yet cause it’s no rush since only a couple people actually know their locations

[pine ridge]

yes and the same would apply to neptune's other kids

[unique lagoon]

wut

do i need to pull up panels

[tough igloo]

i think FMI being attacked by CDs/HKs

Imu also has Shirahoshi picture with Teach & Luffys

and the CDs tried capturing her before at the reverie

[unique lagoon]

are you still arguing about hairy comment is not shiraoshi?

[digital spear]

hes saying if Shirahoshi is called hairy just because her father is Neptune then Neptunes other kids would be called hairy too

[unique lagoon]

but the context of that convo is about the future daughter ye?

that was my point

[tough igloo]

out of the 3 who Imu had pictures of , Shirahoshi would be the easiest & likely the only one they would be able capture compared to yonkos

[unique lagoon]

neptune only has 1 daughter

whats the debate here

[digital spear]

hes not referring to the convo I think

just in general Neptunes kids would be called hairy because of him

[unique lagoon]

is that even relevant

[digital spear]

yeah I mean the joke doesnt work with the sons anyway

its only funny if its Shirahoshi

[unique lagoon]

i forgot neptune mentioned the poseidon power

[rose rune]

Me and you YC

[elder kraken]

Which race is stronger? Giants or Lunarians?

[ornate tartan]

Loki doesn’t like Shirahoshi

he likes Lola

[unique lagoon]

giants dont have magic buffs and wings

[elder kraken]

But Lunarians got eradicted tho… Giants are still kicking

[elder kraken]

Imagine how strong their child would be

[digital spear]

we couldve had Shirahoshi x Loki art in 2024 already if people listened to us

imagine how I felt when Neptune said to Harald let our kids marry lol

[rose rune]

I could have made it if she was older

[unique lagoon]

i was not riding that shira x loki bandwagon back then
cuz of the snail bit how he got it

well now we know herald and neptune are best buds

• other detail

[digital spear]

the snail thing is a problem anyway we still dont know how it gets there, but Harald probably had Neptunes snail and Loki will end up with it

[unique lagoon]

is this a perfect timeline for when the stone was taken

[digital spear]

yes

next chapter will make or break Harald being burnscar man

[rose rune]

Stone? Did I miss something?

[unique lagoon]

rode stone

[digital spear]

poneglyph on fmi

[rose rune]

Misterious rock?

[prisma yacht]

😂

[ornate tartan]

Ancient Giant> Lunarian> Giant

[unique lagoon]

do we have any timeframe when WB took over FMI
was it just the same year roger died?

during great pirate era

[ornate tartan]

20 years ago

I think

[sage temple]

Off of raw strength I put Lunarians stronger than most AGs ngl

[shadow python]

Lunarians are invincible until they feel like not being invincible. Ancient giants lose to squirrel

[dense haven]

squrriel is HIM

https://tenor.com/view/essica-monthly-squirrel-3rd-gif-2337392730403860255

[tough igloo]

Ancient Giants are physically stronger than Lunarians but Lunarians are way more durable than Giants/Ancient Giants (as long as their flame is on )

[graceful grove]

when you factor in the IQ, Giants fall off a cliff

[distant vine]

Please no

[scenic dirge]

I feel like if Harald was the burn scar man he’d be known as something else 😭

Probably something like

“The big fucker”

Or “the really really big fucker”

[ruby cape]

How many candidates are there for burn scar man?

I only learnt about this recently btw I never caught onto it beforehand

[sage temple]

Loki is still a candidate

[ruby cape]

Does Loki have a burn scar

[sage temple]

His eyes are scarred by the hellFIRE serpent

[graceful grove]

does a really bad diaper rash count?

[scenic dirge]

Oh be quiet

😭 😭

[sage temple]

Glowing eyes
Hellfire Serpent connection on the mural
Awfully poneglyph shaped square at the bottom of weapon

He's def a candidate

https://tenor.com/view/i'll-die-on-this-hill-t-pain-on-this-hill-song-i'll-defend-this-to-my-last-breath-nappy-boy-entertainment-gif-12682591521620434004

[mighty roost]

what is the third one supposed to mean

[heady smelt]

Interesting theory even though I don't see him as the burn scar man at all

[pine ridge]

more like ragnir itself is a candidate

[sage temple]

Well Ragnir itself doesn't have a ship

[mighty roost]

woah what the hell i never noticed that

[graceful grove]

you can make him

[pine ridge]

it sails joyboys old ship

[distant vine]

Ragnir ate a Poneglyph?

[heady smelt]

This is fake

[sage temple]

Ragnir is a poneglyph/hammer

[mighty roost]

possible ragnir is a glutton

[distant vine]

I like him eating one more

[sage temple]

Loki sailed Joyboys old ship 6 years ago

[pine ridge]

the hammer is the poneglyph and it ate a devil fruit

[heady smelt]

Guys the screenshots with Ragnir having a poneglyph shape is fake, calm down!!!

[elder kraken]

Why is it painted black like Mihawks?

[muted hedge]

do we even know what Joyboys ship was

[heady smelt]

I have to verify the volume release

[sage temple]

Just visualizing my theory

[sage temple]

It isn't painted black

[unique lagoon]

oda if he was cool

[elder kraken]

Nah he swims

[royal orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-nodding-nod-yes-fortnite-gif-6620789258176886532

[heady smelt]

Okay not even released in volume so 100% FAKE

[elder kraken]

He's a fraud like Mihawk bro

[prisma yacht]

Lmaoooo

[heady smelt]

Actual screenshot

[sage temple]

It isn't painted black

[muted hedge]

that would be cool but i doubt it

[unique lagoon]

joyboy had the first submarine ship
well technically

[distant vine]

S-Socrates...lied?

🥲

[elder kraken]

Ngl the weapon looks anticlimactic for being the treasure weapon of Elbaf

[digital spear]

Emeth was Joyboys ship

[distant vine]

Mods, grab him for perjury under oath

[heady smelt]

Either you believe me, and the official chapters, or him 😂

[distant vine]

😔

[sage temple]

My theory lowk doesn't make sense anyway

[heady smelt]

As a hammer yes but the real treasure was the fruit no?

[unique lagoon]

what ever happened with the theory that joyboy was ontop of zunesha here

[sage temple]

Loki's hammer is like dark blue and the MMBF has a red poneglyph

[elder kraken]

That's why he painted it black

[unique lagoon]

i swear if emets flashback turned out to be 900 years ago elbaf

there was a bot in elbaf

[heady smelt]

It seems to be blue actually

[muted hedge]

very distinct from Emeth though

[unique lagoon]

im going with the place was making robots for a long ass time

[elder kraken]

Yh, it looks like the one ussop uses to fix merry

[muted hedge]

but i guess that Emeth has Elbaph garbs on him

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-joyboy-joyboy-one-piece-emet-emet-one-piece-gif-4978377000570047372

like the thing which he wore looks like it could be from Elbaph

[digital spear]

it was built in Elbaf anyway

since its Joyboys ship

[unique lagoon]

3000 years

elbaf mountains was tens of thousands of years old

[unique lagoon]

wont even be surprise anymore if joyboy was casually riding an ancient weapon

left it under wano

[muted hedge]

that would be cool

https://x.com/chamsut0905/status/1993764803664658535/photo/1

참숮 (@chamsut0905)

즐거웟지..

X · Nov 26, 2025, 7:32 PM

[prisma yacht]

Is that mihawk and crocodile

[muted hedge]

yeah

[prisma yacht]

they look funny

[muted hedge]

they do?

i think they look cool

[prisma yacht]

yeah they're but also funny

in a corny way yk

[latent hamlet]

They look like the edgy kids

1 smokes and 1 carries a sword

[prisma yacht]

😂

[digital spear]

They look like theyre the MCs in an edgy anime where boys are in a mafia

[muted hedge]

wonder when we'll get their origin

[prisma yacht]

Post elbaf

Trust

Everything happens in post elbaf

have faith

[muted hedge]

yeah that's the safe guess

something i also wonder is, when will we see what's going down on Marijoa

[digital spear]

Well it cant be before Elbaf

[muted hedge]

i'm thinking that maybe we get to see what's going on in Marijoa after this flashback concludes and then return to present Elbaph

[digital spear]

I think we will only see that after the fight against Imu ended, he will probably be drawn back to Mariejois so we learn from his pov what is happening there

[muted hedge]

yeah that's reasonable

[stone tulip]

So kinda like what happened to reverie incident during Wano right ?

[digital spear]

When exactly

Wasnt it kinda the opposite there, we saw Imu and then left the Reverie pov

[stone tulip]

I mean like finding out about reverie incident in general with us not knowing what happened until after Onigishima raid

[muted hedge]

i just wish that Oda wasn't so vague about everything, but i guess that's part of the charm at the same time

though it's quite surreal that we're 1000+ chapters in and still wait for answers, lol

https://x.com/wasaaamr/status/2007427095514014078/photo/1

わさまる🎍クリスタログボ🍫 西３Ｄ59b (@wasaaamr) ...

本誌で描かれなかったのでボツにならなかった冒頭👶ちゃん部分です

X · Jan 3, 2026, 12:21 PM

[digital spear]

I thought they were playing rock paper scissors

And then fell asleep

[muted hedge]

lol

[native cloud]

Lol

[potent pier]

Emeth may be older than the void century

[steel stirrup]

1000+ chapters in and no Buggy backstory yet lmao I hope we get zero backstory or explanation for Buggy whatsoever just to see this fandom rage

[pulsar timber]

People are expecting a buggy flashback?

[hot cairn]

im down

[dense pike]

yeah i could def see that too

[hot cairn]

what type of buggy flashback

[ornate tartan]

cope

[pulsar timber]

Sbs

[steel stirrup]

Just put it in a SBS no one truly cares about Buggy its just a meme

[ornate tartan]

buggy and usopp fans

[steel stirrup]

I just looked this up and bitch wtf

Japan is not a real place😭😭

Wtf is that

[ornate tartan]

don’t even know how to explain that

[unique lagoon]

cant be
dint VP say 900 years old

[steel stirrup]

There is no explanation

[proud pivot]

You just don't know drip bro

[ornate tartan]

and oda himself picks the questions so u can’t say he ain’t a part of it

[unique lagoon]

i guess you can assume there was a lot of robots 900 years and beyond

connects to moon people love making robots also

tho i dont think moon robots require nika energy

i mean nika energy used to power em

[latent hamlet]

How did vp know it was 900 years ago

Vp made it up

[potent pier]

I was wrong.

[unique lagoon]

joyboy just out there with an army of robots with giant laser beam arm

[latent hamlet]

Imu was protecting us

[unique lagoon]

lesser evil imu

joyboy was a maniac

[celest mauve]

genuinely amusing how stupid the mfs at piratefolk can be, and I say this as an usopp detractor

[thorny peak]

the only one with a red nose == Buggy D. Genious Jester

[dense pike]

youve seen that one movie poster where hes posted up in a legally-distinct-bat-themed-superhero pose? 😭

[pine ridge]

"zoro got nothing in wano"

[steel stirrup]

Yes bruh and im seeing where he got VPs brothers design (brother cousin whatever he was)

[celest mauve]

zoro and franky didn't get any particular setup, usopp's been wanting to go to elbaf since little garden and has made friends with multiple giants since then

[celest mauve]

yeah this is a bad take too

[ornate tartan]

nami CLEARS

[dense haven]

zoro got a bitch in wano

[ornate tartan]

he don’t like her at all

[celest mauve]

not a single smile or kind word for her, just talking business at best with her about the raid and enma

[pine ridge]

zoro being a samurai and the whole ryuma thing was a setup for wano and franky finding vp's old lab and using his tech was a setup for egghead, but since lilith came to elbaf and franky finding out about the mural and the old robot and the whole adam wood thing it seems the plan was to have everything take place in elbaf instead

[ornate tartan]

i always wondered where this came from

the basis of it

[celest mauve]

yeah I could've phrased it better, zoro and franky had some stuff but with nowhere as much focus or longevity as usopp

[ornate tartan]

same thing i was saying earlier

where did the loki shirahoshi one come from

loki likes lola

[celest mauve]

hiyori liked zoro (though she never stated how exactly she felt) and she's hot and looked good aesthetically with zoro ig

[celest mauve]

the convo between neptune and harald

[ornate tartan]

Yea that makes sense

but the zoro one is just headcanon

because he just ignored her most of the time

[celest mauve]

also loki calls the person he talks to "mosako" I think and harald called neptune's daughter shaggy "mosamosa"

[ornate tartan]

it’s cope

[celest mauve]

OP fans' standards for shipping never fail to disappoint me personally

he outright told her no and people still think he's obliged to be with her, can't do anything about it unfortunately

[ornate tartan]

she’s 12 years older then him

😂

and sometimes it seems like a gag

[prisma yacht]

it is

I find it amusing

Which is why I like it

[celest mauve]

it's ass

the flat kind of ass too

[prisma yacht]

Nuh uh

[ornate tartan]

lot of ppl don’t like it to begin w

[prisma yacht]

who cares about them

https://tenor.com/view/klasik-clasik-clasic-gif-25398314

[latent hamlet]

Im just kinda wutever about the luffy x boa ship / gag

If I had to pick anything I'd do luffy x nami
But partly cuz luffy needs a navigator

And nami won't ever let him do shit without her

[ornate tartan]

cook

[celest mauve]

I think it's a gag that's bad for both characters personally

[latent hamlet]

Imagine if nami was never recruited

We would be in west blue

[prisma yacht]

😂

[latent hamlet]

Luffy explores all of east north south and west blue first

Then gets lost in grand line for another 300 chapters

[muted hedge]

https://x.com/iamosix2/status/2007476214638817677/photo/1

OSIX /COOMS OPEN! (@iamosix2)

#ONEPIECE

X · Jan 3, 2026, 3:36 PM

[latent hamlet]

By the time we get to new world imu would have nuked egghead

[celest mauve]

speaking of how important nami is to luffy, look at this fan art it's so good
https://reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/1q25kx1/heres_my_drawing_of_luffy_and_nami/

[ornate tartan]

nice work

[celest mauve]

it's not mine lol

[ornate tartan]

I appreciate all types of art

but there isn’t anyway to filter your algorithm to not show bs

[latent hamlet]

Now i do think it is possible that luffy x nami could be a thing but not like "this is my husband luffy this is my wife nami" vibe

[grand flower]

Bro pointing like he know what the fuck he looking at

[prisma yacht]

I was gonna say the same thing no way his dumbass knows whats going on

[latent hamlet]

Like they might pull some fwb type vibe
Either way I think they'd be nearly inseparable

Plus nami wants to chart a map of the entire world

[prisma yacht]

Hmm nami this place right here looks cool

[latent hamlet]

Literally cant do that without adventuring

Luffy dictates where to go, Nami dictates how to go

[pulsar timber]

Oda is very intentional with romance so I simply think this series ends with the og 3 without a reltionship

Especially since all 3 have never shown any interest in a relationship or getting with someone

[latent hamlet]

Oh I dont think oda is gonna make it

I just believe if luffy MUST be in a relationship at the end, nami is the most plausible choice

By merit of their natural dynamic

[ornate tartan]

the only one

rest are just obscure characters

[latent hamlet]

There's people who are single yet almost act like they are a couple just through similar dynamics

[celest mauve]

they'll definitely keep sailing together because they've pretty much said it in canon, idk about romance because oda has been standoffish about it

like he'll say he's afraid of writing romance and then praise a romance spinoff featuring characters named luffy and nami as a couple, so I'd just wait

[latent hamlet]

Ye i dont think oda would do it or confirm it
Im just going off of what seems to be the most plausible

Like luffy x boa feels....eh

[pulsar timber]

I disagree to be honest. Not that I think it’s better or that it’ll happen but I think if Oda is gonna put Luffy into a relationship it’ll be with boa. Mostly because like I said Nami also has never ever expressed romantic interest in anyone. So it would be jarring for both sides

[cold steppe]

If Oda ever does romance and big if. He'll skip through it. No build up, just timeskip, and it already happened

[pulsar timber]

With boa it would probably just be like a Luffy agrees for the hell of it type of thing

[cold steppe]

Of course I'm talking present time

[celest mauve]

I don't get why you think boa is a possibility when luffy has bluntly told her no twice

[pulsar timber]

It’s more a possibility than Nami

And neither are a real possibility

[celest mauve]

no it really isn't

[muted hedge]

i feel like Boa and Luffy fell flat after we saw Roger and Gloriosa

[celest mauve]

it's manga dialogue against an interview

[latent hamlet]

I feel eh bout luffy boa because its extremely 1 sided and luffy lacks a kind of special dynamic with her

Luffy x Nami is literally Captain and Navigator

They almost NEED each other

[celest mauve]

it fell flat when oda decided to use boa's love for comedy and have luffy reject her, no need for roger and gloriosa to show how one-sided shit won't work out

[latent hamlet]

Yeaaa....Roger with gloriosa and shakky kinda established one sidedness doesnt really work

[pulsar timber]

It’s one sided but Luffy and Nami is no sided which is why I feel that if something magically happened the one with any side is winning

If Nami had ever expressed romantic feelings in this 1170 chapter series I’d fully agree with you

[latent hamlet]

I dont think luffy and nami would be a traditional standard couple

[pulsar timber]

But she’s in the same boat as Zoro and Luffy

[ornate tartan]

they are still young

[muted hedge]

i mean if Roger and Gloriosa had a better chemistry given Roger's age being older than Luffy too, then it could be plausible to work out in the end if Luffy let's say matures or whatever but after we saw how their relation ended i feel like it's a 1% possibility over being maybe a 30% before at least

[ornate tartan]

and they definitely are close emotionally

[pulsar timber]

So you mean a sail together forever type of thing?

[latent hamlet]

Plus this is more of a discussion about EOS hypothetical shit

[pulsar timber]

I think the Strawhats will stay together for as long as luff lives

[wet condor]

They'd never be a couple. They'd be sailing with everyone else

[shadow python]

There's a non zero chance the baby Makino is raising isn't hers but actually Luffy and Hancock's

[wet condor]

There isn't going to be a just a Nami Luffy odyssey or whatever

[ornate tartan]

everyone in the crew has ppl waiting for them

[latent hamlet]

Yes
Luffy would undoubtedly continue his adventure after EOS if he doesnt die
But he NEEDS nami.
Nami herself wants to chart a map for the entire world. She needs to sail

[cold steppe]

Also I don't think they care for now minus sanji and brook

[celest mauve]

you say that boa is a possibility and that's contingent on luffy magically changing his mind, so what if oda decided to write nami having a hint of feelings for luffy towards the very end? I mean if one can dismiss luffy rejecting hancock, I don't see why this isn't also a possibility lol

[ornate tartan]

the whole crew not sailing together forever

[hazy turret]

Have we ever seen makino pregnant

[latent hamlet]

Im only arguing that if there must be a couple, luffy x nami is the most plausible compared to boa

[wet condor]

I don't remember

[ornate tartan]

??

[shadow python]

Can boa not navigate?

Navigating in the grand line is easy. You just follow the log pose. But to navigate in the calm belt must take a lot of skill

[pulsar timber]

Yeah he will need her but I don’t think she’s the only strawhat staying with him

[wet condor]

But I still say that kid is Lucky Roux's

[latent hamlet]

She can. She has her own crew
but imo the dynamic is kinda....eh

[hazy turret]

Bro

[celest mauve]

she has never shown she can

[hazy turret]

Hell no

[latent hamlet]

Oh I dont believe they'd just duo it alone
I 100% most if not all SHs would continue the adventure with luffy

[wet condor]

That kid was rolling that ball saying dada

[shadow python]

They got back to Amazon Lily from Mary joa

[ornate tartan]

they aren’t

[wet condor]

That tell me all I need to know

[ornate tartan]

all of them have places to return to

[hazy turret]

ALL BABIES DO THAT

[shadow python]

As the eldest it was probably Hancock that drove

[pulsar timber]

I don’t think Oda writing Nami to have a hint of romantic interest in Luffy is a possibility at this point. I find both ships in a traditional romantic sense completely unlikely but one with a higher probability simply because the other woman has never expressed romantic desire for anyone in this 1100 chapter series

[muted hedge]

Boa definitely had navigators on board

[celest mauve]

btw I'd genuinely take something like luffy x sanji over luffy x boa even with sanji's immense aversion to men, that's how ass I think the latter is

[wet condor]

You're not reading the subtext here Rokaya

[muted hedge]

she's the empress, she has people who do these things for her

[pulsar timber]

I don’t even think boa is the better relationship for Luffy

[latent hamlet]

They do, but whose to say they wouldnt join luffy if he comes knocking and goes "hey I wanna check this place out!"

And they'd be like "....aight gimme 10 min"

[pulsar timber]

I just think it’s more likely if Oda ever did anything

But he won’t

[hazy turret]

Not even 5 minutes in also manga and I’m alr falling for bait 🥀

[mighty roost]

do we know what happened to tritoma

[muted hedge]

no

[ornate tartan]

yeah forsure u right about that, but i don’t think it would be permanent

[muted hedge]

just that she died from love sickness

[mighty roost]

breh

[latent hamlet]

It'd be the equivalent of "Hey wanna go on a road trip for a few days?"

[wet condor]

I'm being serious, about as serious I can be about this lol

[celest mauve]

other shonen series have paired characters that didn't show interest until the very end, and I personally don't value hancock's feelings at all when they're almost exclusively used for comedy and luffy is not only not interested, he's rejected her to her face too

agree to disagree

[wet condor]

Oda subverting expectations. He said something about how Roux's not great with women

[hazy turret]

[shadow python]

Usopp should return to Syrup.

Sanji should open a restaurant and compete with Zeff

Robin should live her life doing whatever

Brook should be with laboon

Franky should probably go back to water 7

Chopper back to Kureha in Sakura kingdom

Nami wants to be a mom. And her two favorite children are Luffy and Zoro. Those 3 can sail together forever

[hazy turret]

Is he a dog or something

[wet condor]

I don't really care who kids baby is though. They uninteresting lol

[ornate tartan]

zoro literally older then her

😂

[latent hamlet]

Luffy?
Kinda

Luffy be like I WANNA DO THIS THING

Nami: MF NO

[ornate tartan]

no he isn’t a dog

[latent hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/nami-nami-one-piece-one-piece-stampede-one-piece-stampede-gif-17548477169167426050

[ornate tartan]

but a lot of ppl treat him like one

[mighty roost]

this looks so goofy

[celest mauve]

that's not really how it is, luffy tends to get his way and nami takes him to wherever it is, like punk hazard even when nami didn't want to go

[ornate tartan]

he’s treated like a child by a lot of fans

[pulsar timber]

Other major shonen series relationships are usually one sided anyways but in the case of Luffy and Nami it’s no sided which is my issue. And we kinda know anyways who they’ll end up with anyways in those other series while it’s still unclear in this manga. I don’t see Oda following the traditional route for romance like other major shonen do but yeah agree to disagree

I’m honestly impressed by odas aversion to making Nami and Robin love interests

1000+ chapters strong

[celest mauve]

there's one major shonen I can name where one of the EOS couples was no-sided until the end, but I won't spoil lol

[ornate tartan]

ppl can’t be hypocrites then
u can’t say robin and franky either
but a lot of ppl still do this

[shadow python]

Wait...has nami ever chosen which island to go to post new world?

She wanted to go to the safest island they went to punk hazard.

They were forced to go to Dressrosa

She was forced to go to Zou

They were compelled to go to whole cake

They were compelled to go to Wano

Luffy lost rps and had to go to egghead

They were compelled to go to Elbaf

[dense haven]

literally the only ship with any positive chemistry is zosan

[celest mauve]

zosan is a meme and dogshit if taken seriously

[dense haven]

so is every other ship?

[frail kindle]

they were compelled to go to punk hazard as well

[wet condor]

Here's hoping he can keep it going

[dense haven]

at least zosan has chemistry like I just said

[celest mauve]

[pulsar timber]

Those are usually the worst. Always wonder why these writers feel compelled to force relationships at the very end

[celest mauve]

they have negative chemistry for a potential romance

[dense haven]

https://tenor.com/view/luffy-y-nami-bachata-luffy-y-nami-dance-luffy-y-nami-bailando-bachata-gif-3855634085723755598

[pulsar timber]

Idk which one you’re talking about but maybe I know

[celest mauve]

they're excellent as a competing duo

[pulsar timber]

My only guess is that it’s from bleach?

[stone terrace]

When the editor forces it so that they can have kids for the sequel

[celest mauve]

shh

[stone terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/speed-shock-scared-scary-speed-covering-mouth-ishowspeed-gif-9313694227637759402

[shadow python]

Luffy going to punk hazard does seem kinda odd. He's not a hero but he still goes out of his way to go help a stranger he doesn't know even after his actual friend Robin tells him it's probably a bad idea

[pulsar timber]

Ok I might know who you’re talking about even though I haven’t finished bleach

[ornate tartan]

I already knew what u were talking ab when u said that terabyte😂

since it’s one of my favorite series too

[dense haven]

didn't toriyama confirm goku doesn't even know what sex is despite having 10 kids

[celest mauve]

oh, my bad then I didn't know you weren't done

[sudden dock]

How strong would be a gun infused with conqueror haki

[dense haven]

oda will just make buffy sprout of thin air

[pulsar timber]

Nah it’s ok I already knew. I know a lot of bleach stuff just by being around the internet

[celest mauve]

kaido gets one-shot

[celest mauve]

fairs

[dense haven]

buffy will be born like animals in minecraft

[ornate tartan]

where did franky robin come from

[sudden dock]

If only usopp awakened conqueror

[ornate tartan]

someone explain this one to me

[sudden dock]

@ornate tartan water 7 arc

[celest mauve]

robin sexually assaulted him once and they hang out sometimes

[pulsar timber]

Luffy x nami this Luffy x boa that, luffys wife is about to be some random woman on a random island

[shadow python]

Franky is the dad of the strawhats and Robin is the mom

[ornate tartan]

that’s it😂😂

[pulsar timber]

Getting the rogue treatment

[celest mauve]

that might be even worse than luffy x boa tbh, can't believe I'm saying this

[shadow python]

You will notice we got far less Robin Franky moments when Jinbabe joined the crew and usurped Frankys role as crew dad

[dense haven]

no its true if there is anything worse than luffy having a wife and kid is him doing it with some rando

[pulsar timber]

It’s happening trust

Oda wouldn’t kill Nami for the buffy series

We know how he does mothers

[celest mauve]

nami'll break the cycle trust

[pulsar timber]

Final chapter is luffys wedding with a silhoutted girl

[shadow python]

Eris already broke the cycle

[celest mauve]

eris should be dead because BB apparently grew up as an orphan

[wet condor]

If Nami does marry Luffy I do hope she dies

Or Luffy dies

[celest mauve]

[wet condor]

One or the other

Better if Luffy dies

[shadow python]

Bb grew up sad not necessarily as an orphan. And living through God valley its no wonder he was sad

[wet condor]

Because what is Luffy going to do with a gaggle of kids?

[muted hedge]

it was said that he was an orphan in the manga

[digital spear]

Chiffon and Ripley did it

[wet condor]

Among other reasons lol

[dense haven]

one thing to note about one piece next generation is that goku was still the mc despite having kids and I dont think thats gonna happen in a sequel

[celest mauve]

what did roger do with shanks and buggy

[ornate tartan]

the point of saving the world is to not have all this suffering and orphans anymore😂

[shadow python]

Chiffon isn't a flashback mom

[dense haven]

if that happens luffy and his wife would get the boruto treatment

[digital spear]

So isnt Nami

We are talking about Nami right

[wet condor]

I'm talking Luffy being a single dad

[celest mauve]

or maybe the bleach treatment with no sequel (for the most part)

[wet condor]

Roger had other men who're actually responsible. He wasn't raising them as a single parent lol

[dense haven]

I doubt oda would kill luffy or nami

[pulsar timber]

Her time draws near

[dense haven]

0% chance

[ornate tartan]

oda won’t leave the fans hanging like kubo i think

[dense haven]

but something would happen to them

[ornate tartan]

kubo health was really bad

and he was forced to speed it up

[celest mauve]

oda isn't going to kill luffy or his SO so we can disregard that

[wet condor]

He is

[celest mauve]

especially if it's nami, oda worships her

[dense haven]

luffy marrying a rando just so she can get killed is something so on brand with oda it hurts

[muted hedge]

didn't Oda say that he doesn't want any romance amongst the Straw Hats as that would diminish their love for adventure or something..

[remote maple]

or idk one piece isn't a romance

[dense haven]

after the series end they don't need to adventure anymore

[muted hedge]

it's hard to imagine Luffy not seeking for another adventure

[dense haven]

he will

that doesnt stop him from laying pipe

[celest mauve]

he once jokingly said they're in love with adventure, then he said there probably won't be crew romance because he doesn't depict romance at all (this was back in 2008), and then he said he's afraid of writing two-sided romance and didn't want any crew romance in the live action

[dense haven]

luffy is gonna be worse than roger

[muted hedge]

yeah that's what i was refering to

[wet condor]

We out here hoping. Let the young man hungry and ambitious do what other people are too timid to do: Make the ultimate sacrifice to achieve his dream in a blaze of glory. This is the peak young masculine vitality that adolescent boys feel in their bones — the demographic that Oda is primarily writing this adventure manga for