also-manga

[blazing depot]

https://tenor.com/view/family-guy-happy-new-year-celebrate-balloons-gif-17514670

[urban lodge]

I knew there was something wrong with you posting ai baby

[fallen meteor]

what did arsal post

[royal orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-sus-i-saw-what-you-deleted-i-didn't-see-what-you-deleted-cat-sus-gif-4370478055631050339

[ashen perch]

yeah I was trying to post the Imu gif smh

[royal orchid]

oh my god why do you have AI baby favorited

[distant vine]

Imagine we go through 2026 and Usopp does absolutely nothing

[ashen perch]

it annoys 1 irl friend, dw about it

[fallen meteor]

oh my god

[ashen perch]

I would never post it here, I hate it

[trim lily]

this would be hype

[distant vine]

I would actually weep for Arsal

[royal orchid]

extremely understandable carry on

[fallen meteor]

!mods please do something about this

[tropic nova]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/486983010025996299/1213179020192256050/image.png?ex=65f48802&is=65e21302&hm=1942e7e0e6e904c758cfcc338a0b3aaf5748f4b88335b8ca669695fcfdc234d1&

[trim lily]

@ grok please rectify this issue

[royal orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-monkey-d-luffy-gear4th-gear-fourth-wano-gif-24118001

[ashen perch]

0% chance btw

[spice cairn]

I feel like Ussop guys are literally just Franky Egghead guys in sheep clothing

[ashen perch]

I would bet Meek's soul on this

not Meeks', relax meeks

[trim lily]

meek's soul is already gone with how many bets hes made

[spice cairn]

On everyone's soul Nami will get Ragnir

[hazy turret]

@pseudo gulch look at Arsal’s name

[trim lily]

very true

borderline factual, even

[royal orchid]

this name thing gets really annoying but you guys hated my other name

[ashen perch]

Usopp is going to do a lot of things this year, you guys have just falled into the classic doomerist trap that many fall into

[spice cairn]

We've had this thing going on for 3 arcs straight

[trim lily]

dont blame me if you live through another egghead arsal

[spice cairn]

Except Zoro was genuinely fine and people are just greedy fucks

[ashen perch]

I didnt really believe in Franky like that in Egghead tbh, not even close

[royal orchid]

wranky

[trim lily]

yeah but in exchange you got the timeskip

[muted hedge]

become the Wario and name yourself Weeks

[vapid flower]

wranky

[ashen perch]

and really, I havent despaired for Franky either, because why should I?

[vapid flower]

no soul

[hazy turret]

Usopp will be getting another god usopp/soge king moment

[spice cairn]

I was more focused on Kuma to even care about Franky lmao

[trim lily]

doge king

[spice cairn]

Doge king?

Bro....

[royal orchid]

egghead will be Franky's arc

[ashen perch]

VP is alive, theres a 3000 years old lab, theres the Adam tree in its full glory, Blackbeard is about to get Pluton

[royal orchid]

how many years old

[ashen perch]

Franky is going to be fine

[trim lily]

please someone destroy the clone box on elbaf

do not let stella revive at all costs

[fallen meteor]

if you say the arc is _ arc at some point you are bound to be right

[ashen perch]

it was 3000

[hazy turret]

[royal orchid]

was it actually 3000

[blazing depot]

No you don’t understand Zoro needed a new backstory where it’s revealed he’s actually a prince of a secret kingdom of samurai

[ashen perch]

yeah

[hazy turret]

3000 you say

[vapid flower]

revive kuma w stellas mind in control

do it oda

[trim lily]

thatd be awesome

[distant vine]

I'll blame WCI and Sanji for this

[spice cairn]

Revive Kuma and put Ginny inside the body

[vapid flower]

traumatize us all

[ashen perch]

Franky has been doing cool stuff already in Elbaf btw, that little exploration journey he was on was great

[distant vine]

Usopp did actually get setup for Elbaph though. Its not a meme

[ashen perch]

we will go back to it soon

[ashen perch]

funny you mention that

[distant vine]

And we have to see his parents die ofc

[royal orchid]

Thy laboratory in thine land of Elbaf was promised to Mu 3000 years ago

[ashen perch]

my name references an Oda Jump Festa statement about WCI lol

[blazing depot]

There’s still stuff sprinkled in too so he’s not a lost cause

Inshallah he will free his masters from the wicked Imu

[trim lily]

sorry thats loki and hajrudins job

[spice cairn]

IM STILL THINKINGbei

[royal orchid]

hajrudin

[distant vine]

Thinkbe

[blazing depot]

Do they know Dorry and Brogy more than Usopp?

[fallen meteor]

Jinbei is on the brink of a breakthrough

[trim lily]

mm maybe

[urban lodge]

He's been thinking for like 8 months at this point

[hazy turret]

I mean I guess

It’s too short

[royal orchid]

on arsal's soul hajrudin top 10 eos

[trim lily]

they serve a similar role dynamic wise

[blazing depot]

Dorry and Brogy were having their duel before they were born

[spice cairn]

Jinbei has been thinking for months

[distant vine]

Bro's gonna get freed by Zoro but his legs are gonna be asleep sitting in that position for so long

[ashen perch]

"Year of Sanji", thats what he dubbed the first year of WCI

[vapid flower]

will jinbe finish thinking or will luffy join the fight first

[fallen meteor]

'what if we deal damage so fast they cant regen fast enough' Jinbei, soon

[distant vine]

He'll have to rest for a couple more months after that

[spice cairn]

"WE KNOW" the crowd will say

[hazy turret]

Sanji wasn’t even the first to have his own arc

It was Nami

[spice cairn]

It was Nami

[pulsar timber]

Jimbei is an idiot kick this guy off the crew

[spice cairn]

Yeah exactly

[vapid flower]

it was nami

[urban lodge]

Good opportunity to post this

[ashen perch]

like I said, we'll go back to it

[royal orchid]

it was me

[distant vine]

Thats semantical

[hazy turret]

Jinx you owe me 400 usd

[spice cairn]

[fallen meteor]

my dumbass tried to react to the message inside the image

[pulsar timber]

Koby was the first to have his own arc

[vapid flower]

usopp will be elbafs arc

[tranquil blade]

“what if we take the holy knights and push them somewhere else”

[spice cairn]

Fuck Koby he doesnt count

[ashen perch]

Sanji is the first and still the only to have it after their 1st arcs

[hazy turret]

Stfu that’s not even true

[trim lily]

anyway elbaf will be nami's arc

lock it in

[ashen perch]

no one's ever had a 2nd arc outside of Sanji lol

[spice cairn]

He was an NPC at that point Zolo

[pulsar timber]

It is bluddy

[hazy turret]

I always knew you were a secret koby fan

[tranquil blade]

It is true but the arc is mid

[urban lodge]

We've all done it at some point

[hazy turret]

No because he’s not a strawhat

[distant vine]

WCI should have been a Carrot centered arc

[pulsar timber]

Hekdcoc n jik#

????

[fallen meteor]

woah

[pulsar timber]

Yes he is

[spice cairn]

Wrf

[vapid flower]

which was jinbes arc

[tranquil blade]

Well its good but not because of Koby

[ornate tartan]

do u folks in here think hajrudin will get conq
after the context of the flashback

[trim lily]

he should

[pulsar timber]

No

[hazy turret]

You will not ragebait me

[royal orchid]

bro tried clicking a book

[trim lily]

if he doesnt oda is a hack

[opal gulch]

there exist still a small community that is rooting for usopp gaining loki's hammer

[fallen meteor]

curse of ra

[pulsar timber]

I’ve never baited in my life

[royal orchid]

!hackpost

[tropic nova]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/294551467820580864/1235937534870294538/1509499313288.jpg?ex=66363006&is=6634de86&hm=d4ad778d7e81abae44d0841e954aa54624a432055514d201c42045e921998feb&

[pulsar timber]

I speak my truth in every sentence

[ashen perch]

`"When will Sanji appear?" Sanji's voice actor, Hirata-san, asks me this question.

"When am I going to appear?" Don't worry. Next year is the year of Sanji!

It's time to finally cut into the secret of his birth.`

[hazy turret]

You’re the master

[pulsar timber]

Nuh uh

[trim lily]

year of usopp will bankrupt oda like year of luigi did

[ashen perch]

sadly, Oda didnt say this in his statement but fuck it, its happening anyways

[hazy turret]

They didn’t invent that phrase

[ashen perch]

Year of USOPP, this is the year

[ornate tartan]

now who will hajrudin awakenen or show his conq vs
if you guys think he will have it

[pulsar timber]

Hajurdin coc

[spice cairn]

Another year of Sanji?

[hazy turret]

1999 was the year of Nami

[spice cairn]

Delicious

[golden valley]

Cope

[distant vine]

Hajrudin COC breaks the power system. Banned.

[ashen perch]

well it was a big meme during WCI smh

[golden valley]

Cope

Holy cope

[urban lodge]

Hajrudin will get coc and Harald's sword

[pulsar timber]

Hajurdin isn’t getting coc

[hazy turret]

Old ^

[trim lily]

hajrudin will wield the sword in the tree

[pulsar timber]

I bet my very soul

[opal gulch]

harjuden doesnt care about haki

[golden valley]

He is

[vapid flower]

god usopp god ussopp god ussopp

[royal orchid]

Hajrudin

[vapid flower]

https://tenor.com/view/arab-joe-biden-jyo-biden-arab-man-biden-gif-20727598

[spice cairn]

Hajurdun more like chudjurdin

[distant vine]

Yall are demons man. You just dont care? I thought we all saw some narrative value in COC

[golden valley]

Wow, you really are reckless

[distant vine]

Not just a stat to give action figures

[trim lily]

not anymore

[golden valley]

Hajrudin is getting coc

[tranquil blade]

He is bluddy blud

[blazing depot]

Pause.

[pulsar timber]

Nail me to the cross if the following characters obtain color of the supreme king haki:
Buggy
Nami
Usopp
Hajurdin
Koby

[golden valley]

Wow

[urban lodge]

You're so cooked

[graceful belfry]

Set yourself up big time

[trim lily]

wow one nail for each limb

[golden valley]

Ok bet

[ashen perch]

it was only like 9 years ago 😭

[golden valley]

Hes literally so cooked

[ruby moat]

Koby is 100% getting conq so uhhh

[warm fossil]

i'm afraid koby's getting you

[urban lodge]

2 of those are getting it

[tranquil blade]

At least two of these characters are

[golden valley]

Like why do you wanna lose so bad

[vapid flower]

!rmd me 12 months #also-manga message

[vapid flower]

hmm

[spice cairn]

Don't elaborate on who

[hazy turret]

Buddy 😭😭😭 that’s like 2019

[pulsar timber]

Koby isn’t getting it

[distant vine]

Koby is probably getting it

[ornate tartan]

but that thing is also too big

[pulsar timber]

No he’s not

[opal gulch]

if harjudin is getting coc you might aswell throw it to the rest of the crew they need to be able to fight agaisnt the regen merchants

[vapid flower]

duality of man

[ruby moat]

Koby is definitely getting it

[pulsar timber]

No

[distant vine]

I wont say its good writing tho

[ashen perch]

this isnt me btw, I have stood unshaken, like a voice in the storm, I have lived for Nerona Mi

[ruby moat]

He’s up there with Bb and mihawk for likeliness to get it

[warm fossil]

garp has it i'm afraid its sealed

[hazy turret]

Oh yeah if koby gets conq haki I’m killing myself straight up

[spice cairn]

Zolo I think even a anti Koby like yourself has to admit hes getting it.

Hes literally Garp's Pikachu

He is 100% getting it.

[brittle basin]

Oh my god......

[pulsar timber]

I’m not anti Koby

[ruby moat]

I’ll send flowers to the funeral 🫶

[opal gulch]

calling zoro zolo is crazy

[golden valley]

When hajrudin and koby gets it, it will be peak writing

[urban lodge]

Koby is guaranteed

[distant vine]

You're stronger than this. You can survive.

[pulsar timber]

I don’t have room in my heart to be full of hate

I could never be anti anyone

[ashen perch]

bro is getting nailed to the cross 5 times

[royal orchid]

https://x.com/yeskiri/status/2006222169261695087?t=vdmMzRbzFT8AiVno2fPAdw&s=19

イエス・キリスト (@yeskiri)

おかまのサンジいたw

X · Dec 31, 2025, 4:33 AM

[vapid flower]

im still in denial about zoro getting coc

[hazy turret]

Koby fans are not invited
Only Akainu fans, kid fans, and Zoro fans

[distant vine]

Well that was based

[warm fossil]

no need for if, but i'm also killing myself

[distant vine]

But no more

[brittle basin]

This means you love and approve of Vasco Shot and his actions

[golden valley]

Byeee rokaya, it was nice talking to you

[spice cairn]

Same I really wanted the Oden stored enma meme to be real.

[ruby moat]

I wasn’t showing up anyways they were getting shipped

[pulsar timber]

Yes

[spice cairn]

We missed out on the biggest slander piece against Zoro ever

[opal gulch]

why is that lol he is the 2nd in command on a yonko crew

[ornate tartan]

why yall don’t want koby to get it
if u don’t mind me askin

[royal orchid]

koby is literally garp 2 rokaya keep up

[blazing depot]

We ALL love Vasco Shot

[spice cairn]

What do you mean yall

[warm fossil]

honestly koby is more fitting for coc than any of the remaining straw hats

[vapid flower]

2nd in command lol

[spice cairn]

Its just Zolo

[brittle basin]

Koby has conq, he just hasn't show it all yet.

[hazy turret]

Oh damn happy new year guys

[blazing depot]

I speak for everyone

[graceful belfry]

I want him to get it

[distant vine]

Yeah Oda doesnt write this series for dumbasses LMAO

[brittle basin]

Happy birthday, Oda.

[distant vine]

[ruby moat]

Koby is garp 2 with a stronger willpower to do good how is he not getting it lol

[spice cairn]

WE LOVE ALL OF THE BBPS

[opal gulch]

is he not?

[vapid flower]

no

[golden valley]

If you think koby isn’t getting CoC, well then you simply don’t know oda

[royal orchid]

oh wow I just saw law fully naked on my twitter timeline actually yeah uhh

[pulsar timber]

I don’t want him to have it + he won’t be as strong as garp when this series ends

[hazy turret]

Starting off 2026 arguing about koby
What does 2027 have in store I wonder

[distant vine]

Ok this is true

[spice cairn]

Gex I understand its hitting close to home but it would be an amusing thought experiment

[pulsar timber]

I know Oda. We hangout all the time

[opal gulch]

okay i guess im not reading the same story

[ornate tartan]

I think koby is going to be a conqueror logically
he meets the requirements whether it’s his personal character + the direction of the story

[vapid flower]

zoro is second strongest yes

[pseudo gulch]

I'm glad someone else opened their eyes

Surely 2026 will be Usopp's year

[vapid flower]

not second in command the strawhat crew has no set command

[hazy turret]

!rmd 365d what is the current argument in also manga

[pseudo gulch]

@ashen perch GREAT name btw

[vapid flower]

zoro cant even command himself

[warm fossil]

oh hellllll no no way we're starting a vice captain argument

[ashen perch]

my eyes have been open for a long long time, I was just waiting for 2026

[spice cairn]

Nami is a good commander

[golden valley]

Wait, who’s year was it this year for OP?

Loki’s?

[blazing depot]

When Usopp gets his moments we must purge the heretics

[ruby moat]

Garps year

[hazy turret]

Waiting for the flashback to end you mean

[ashen perch]

because obviously 2025 was never gonna be anything but a flashback

[pseudo gulch]

Welcome to the fanclub

[pulsar timber]

It’s the year of Imu

[ashen perch]

yea lol

[blazing depot]

Usopp hate will be HERESY

[warm fossil]

vice captain argument might be worse than zoro vs sanji

[hazy turret]

Bandwagon hopper

[spice cairn]

Its the year of TEECH

[golden valley]

I think this was Loki’s year

[pulsar timber]

Vice captain argument isn’t an argument

[pseudo gulch]

We don't gatekeep Usopp's greatness

[pulsar timber]

Oda already shut it down

[vapid flower]

ragnir is vice captain

[hazy turret]

It was Rocks’ year

[pulsar timber]

There’s nothing to argue about

[warm fossil]

2026 will be the year of ragnir

[ashen perch]

the flashback took like, 20 chapters from the 35 that come out every year

[ornate tartan]

koby is almost guaranteed to be a conqueror

[opal gulch]

when it comes to the crew hierarchy i think thats fair to say

[spice cairn]

Are we talking about that one imagine Oda made

[hazy turret]

Was 2025 year of snake or dragon

[spice cairn]

Where Shiryu Bepo and co are on it

[warm fossil]

and the other 15 chapters were all garbage

[native tapir]

Year of shanks

[hazy turret]

24 was dragon right

[spice cairn]

Because I dislike that image personally

[pulsar timber]

Yeah. That sbs

[ornate tartan]

u think the mural ch was garbage

[hazy turret]

Really??

[ashen perch]

false

[pulsar timber]

Oda has an sbs explaining that very color spread

[spice cairn]

That image did a fuckton of damage to discussions

[ashen perch]

2025 was the year of Snake yea

[vapid flower]

year of kong

[ashen perch]

this is the year of Horse

[warm fossil]

name one other thing that happened in that chapter

[royal orchid]

!kong

[tropic nova]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-one-piece-is-real-one-piece-live-action-nami-roronoa-zoro-gif-16253456524065335349

[ashen perch]

so Kurouma is gonna be very relevant soon

[vapid flower]

year of W speed

[hazy turret]

SPEED RETURNS

[pulsar timber]

None can be worse than a certain user believing Shiryu is stronger than kuzan because of it

[golden valley]

I never understood why anyone would wanna debate Zoro was vice captain or not

[warm fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/speed-ishowspeed-speed-stream-ishowspeed-stream-speed-nod-gif-1082323842437565509

[spice cairn]

People want me to believe SHIRYU of all guys stand next to Zoro and FUCKING RAYLEIGH

[golden valley]

Genuinely, gimme shanks vs mihawk over that boring convo

[ashen perch]

well he just isnt vice captain, theres no debate really

[spice cairn]

Let alone even give Kuzan a run for his money

[golden valley]

He will

[royal orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/speed-one-piece-speed-one-piece-wano-horse-gif-26652273

[vapid flower]

shes so perffect

[warm fossil]

i mean shiryu is a future zoro figh

[golden valley]

Speed

[warm fossil]

so he's stronger than zoro right now

[distant vine]

Shiryu > Kuzan but he let the weaker guy do the direct fighting extreme diff vs Garp LMAO

[golden valley]

Speed…IShowSpeed

[spice cairn]

This was my personal 9/11 and im not joking

[royal orchid]

gluest glue it's ever been glued

[ornate tartan]

Confirmation of Shanks going to the Holy land at some point
Cerberus reveal from Shamrock

[pulsar timber]

Shiryu one shots garp

[hazy turret]

Well I mean

[warm fossil]

fought garp for 2 seconds and dealt way more damage to him than kuzan did in an entire fight

[hazy turret]

That is the implication

[sturdy steeple]

He’s probably just trickier

[sturdy steeple]

It’s hell fighting someone invisible that’s at least decently strong

[pulsar timber]

That color spread came out before kuzan was revealed a member

[warm fossil]

i mean sure but at the end of the day he should be winning more fights than zoro

[opal gulch]

there are no winners in powerscaling convos

[pulsar timber]

There is

[sturdy steeple]

Uhhhhhh

[pulsar timber]

Me

[spice cairn]

Shiryu can be on par with Zoro. That I can get behind

[golden valley]

When will we understand Swords damage better than fists

[spice cairn]

Stronger? Lmao

[warm fossil]

i saw how long it took you to answer man you googled this shit up lol

[spice cairn]

Just because he cheap shot farms people?

[sturdy steeple]

I don’t think Shiryu wins more fights than Zoro

[hazy turret]

Damn bruh

[cold steppe]

I caught up in marineford. What I say goes

[warm fossil]

if he was a worse fighter than zoro he wouldn't be a future zoro opponent

[ornate tartan]

I didn’t

[golden valley]

A fist isn’t going through garp unless you’re akainu

[icy wolf]

bro that shit came out like a year ago its pretty normal to forget

[ruby moat]

im not even convinced shiryu is a future zoro opponent

[hazy turret]

[sturdy steeple]

That’s why I’m saying he’s just tricky to deal with

[pulsar timber]

Shiryu killing mihawk is possibly bottom 3 theories of all time

[icy wolf]

same

[vapid flower]

tashigi with mihawks sword soon

[ashen perch]

hmm

[hazy turret]

[ornate tartan]

but you said nothing else happened in the chapter which was false regardless

[sturdy steeple]

Zoro doesn’t have any tools in his arsenal to counter an invisible opponent

[golden valley]

wtf is so funny

[warm fossil]

haki?

breath of all things too

[hazy turret]

[sturdy steeple]

Haki what?

[hazy turret]

Nothing…nothing at all

[sturdy steeple]

What is he gonna do with haki?

[warm fossil]

haki of the observation type

[spice cairn]

Shiryu and Sanji is cooking actually

Like that would be interesting

[warm fossil]

and again breath of all things

[sturdy steeple]

Yeah, we can say that doesn’t work on invisible opponents based on previous interactions

[hazy turret]

Kuzan is going to fight koby so shiryu has to fight Zoro

[warm fossil]

hard to say, coo is extremely incosistent

[pulsar timber]

He’s gonna use his natural instincts

[cold steppe]

The blackbeard pirates fight won't be 1v1s

[spice cairn]

I think its safe to say Shiryu can just counteract the observation in a way lmao

[pulsar timber]

Or take a hit and cut Shiryu at the same time

[sturdy steeple]

Dude, we had enough cases

[golden valley]

He has to yeah

[spice cairn]

Zoro just has to play a game of intuition

And keeping up with Shiryu specifically

[blazing depot]

Inshallah he will avenge his cousin Rocks

[sturdy steeple]

If you could sense an invisible guy with basic CoO the whole fruit would’ve been absolutely useless.

[warm fossil]

have we? garp saved koby from an invisible shiryu

[pulsar timber]

Oda handing Shiryu the second least interesting fruit in the series

[golden valley]

Being naturally invisible doesn’t counter CoO, so there has to be some tweak with it

[spice cairn]

Oda is not introducing a guy with invisible fruit that is meant to be framed as a Zoro opponent and have that fruit be completely useless

[golden valley]

Shiryu should appear invisible from future sight too to make it more difficult

[cold steppe]

Can't zoro sense swords ?

[vital heart]

Yo guys i have a request

[cold steppe]

Or is it just his own

[warm fossil]

like you objectively can sense shiryu in some way cause garp did

[sturdy steeple]

Absalom wasn’t detected by Doffy, Queen wasn’t detected by Sanji, Garp just took the blow by bumping into Koby.

[royal orchid]

Davy D. Foxy

[golden valley]

True

[pulsar timber]

It really is tragic Shiryu has the invisible fruit

[spice cairn]

Like Oda is a troll but he isn't trolling that hard

[warm fossil]

ok come on now

[sturdy steeple]

Sanji wasn’t detected by Page One

[pulsar timber]

Same for burgess and the strength fruit

[vital heart]

Can you guys list out every member on the WG side for the final war?

I wanna make a comprehensive list of all the match ups in the final war.

Thanks.

[royal orchid]

page one is a bum

[vapid flower]

oda closed zoros eye to prepare him for the shiryu fight

[pulsar timber]

And these are allegedly Sanji and Zoro opponents

[warm fossil]

garp did not accidentally bump into koby to save him lol

[golden valley]

He should’ve had Moria fruit

[sturdy steeple]

Who the hell cares what you think about P1

[icy wolf]

sabo wasnt detected by imu😭😭

[spice cairn]

Strength is super on brand though

[pulsar timber]

Literally anything else

[sturdy steeple]

What does accidentally mean lol

[urban lodge]

Burgess' fruit is fine, fits him super well

[sturdy steeple]

I never said accidentally

[pulsar timber]

It’s just stupid with the ridiculous feats of strength we see in this series without it

[sturdy steeple]

He knew Koby was going into a trap so he jumped to save him

[warm fossil]

then if its not by accident why did garp do it

[icy wolf]

i agree, boring ass character boring ass fruit

[spice cairn]

Burgress can metaphorically break Sanji's leg and thats all I need to sleep at night

[warm fossil]

how did he know there was a trap

[royal orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/zoro-gif-24008448

[golden valley]

Burgess should be able to damage sanji

[spice cairn]

Stop being mean to him man he has it rough already

[golden valley]

Break him actually

[ruby moat]

burgess wont be able to hit sanji

[spice cairn]

Demons man

[blazing depot]

(This is what Zoro fans actually believe)

[vital heart]

Can you guys list out every member on the WG side for the final war?

I wanna make a comprehensive list of all the match ups in the final war.

Thanks.

bump

[golden valley]

And sanji will be fine because he can shift his body back into place

[spice cairn]

Leave the Burgress hate in 2025

[golden valley]

Burgess will at least land one hit

[royal orchid]

5 bucks paypal

[icy wolf]

theres better blackbeard pirates to hype up, lafitte and van augur for example

[ruby moat]

burgess was ducked and dodged by sabo who is slower than sanji

[icy wolf]

especially lafitte

[indigo yacht]

Sanji vs burgess

[spice cairn]

Im picking my goat. Ive been with him since I started reading OP and I refuse to let go

[golden valley]

Crazy Sanji disrespects

[tranquil blade]

Disgusting

[sturdy steeple]

Because Koby was about to help a literal pirate?

[golden valley]

Sanji hits harder than Burgess until Burgess gets feats

[indigo yacht]

Has Sanji thrown a mountain before?

[golden valley]

Thats lifting

[spice cairn]

Yeah like I assume Garp acted partially because of Gru's callout

[golden valley]

Haki doesn’t let you lift more

[pulsar timber]

Imu
Mars, topman, garling, Peter, Ethan
Shamrock, gunko, Killingham, sommers

[golden valley]

It amplifies your strikes

[ashen perch]

that mountain was like maybe as large as 2 bananagators

[pulsar timber]

Strictly world government guys

And known alive holy knights

[vapid flower]

gunko will convert

[brittle basin]

Gunko not so sure

[golden valley]

Sanji has kicked mountain sized creatures tho

[spice cairn]

Burgress can probably punch through the Red Line without sweating.

[golden valley]

Wadatsumi

[warm fossil]

tbh i forgor but garp is also just holding him while he's invisible here

[sturdy steeple]

It’s pretty obvious that Garp jumped into Koby to save him from upcoming danger. If he knew exactly that Shiryu was right there he’d be able to dodge/counter it.

[indigo yacht]

That’s still strength though and you can overcome haki with pure physical strength

[vital heart]

OK here are all the matchups we need to address for the final war:

Imu, Warcury, Garling, Mars, Venus, Jupeter, Shamrock, Gunko, Killingham, York, Sommers, + 4 other Holy Knights, Lucci, Akainu, Greenbull, S-Shark, S-Snake, S-Bear, S-Bat, S-Croc, S-Flamingo.

Is this all?

• some devoted blades.

With this all written down - let me assign an ally to fight each one of the WG people!

[golden valley]

Sure but I said hits harder

[spice cairn]

Because hes feeling the blade and his presence

[wraith mantle]

Akainu will definitely not fight for the WG

[golden valley]

Not lift

[sturdy steeple]

Well yeah, after he took the blow

[vapid flower]

S-law

the coleslaw

[tranquil blade]

Burgess may have greater strength but remember

Speed is power

[ruby moat]

are we saying that burgess with his fruit is dealing more damage than Queen is capable of?

[vital heart]

Wait, is it just me or is this like.... not that many people... The final war might be a wash LMFAO

LMAO

[spice cairn]

He took the blow and responded. Shiryu sort of being translucent in the moment also helps. I assume the blade is also not invisible iirc

[spice cairn]

Whats a tennis ball to a brick wall

[warm fossil]

imu alone is probably stronger than the entire side of good guys currently lol

[indigo yacht]

Burgess could hit harder depends on the limit of the fruit

[sturdy steeple]

I don’t think this case with Garp is up to our interpretation but if we assume it is then only this situation is left ambiguous. Any other case of invisibility shows us that there’s no way to track the users.

[pulsar timber]

Luffy vs imu
Zoro, Sanji, 3 others vs goresei
Loki or shanks vs shamrock
Greenbull vs Fujitora
Lucci does whatever wants. Maybe fights Robin.
Seraphim will be taken care of by the fleet and lesser Strawhats + Bonney

[tranquil blade]

but if the tennis ball is moving at light speed the wall is done for

[golden valley]

I know, I said by feats Burgess doesn’t

[spice cairn]

Not if we reinforce the wall

[golden valley]

He could

[sturdy steeple]

Why would you introduce such ridiculous power that is, pardon, countered by a basic CoO?

[ruby moat]

nah burgess is getting stomped by sanji im sorry yall

[tranquil blade]

So a nearly unmovable object vs a nearly unstoppable force...

[spice cairn]

Nah hes him. Sure hes stupid and forgot to hit Sabo with basic Haki

But hes going to lock in

[warm fossil]

well its gotta be countered by something or else shiryu would simply go around killing everyone

[deep chasm]

loki vs shamrock, loki wins but shamrock lives and goes to fight garling, or sumn else idk. Lucci vs robin would be cool if the powerscaling somehow aligns there

[ruby moat]

burgess would pull a muscle tryna hit sanji

[tough igloo]

I always felt Burgess would be Jinbei matchup .. Helmsman vs Helmsman , Fish Man Karate vs Wrestling

[tranquil blade]

Burgess throwing a building at a logia

Genius stuff

[spice cairn]

Just Burgress Things

[urban lodge]

It's either Sanji vs Burgess or Sanji vs Lafitte

[warm fossil]

like with what we know currently nothing is stopping shiryu from coming up to shanks and just slicing his head off

or doing the same to garp

[pulsar timber]

Shamrock betrayal is something I need

[golden valley]

Future sight

[sturdy steeple]

Well, that’s kinda what he does, yeah.
Zoro will find a way to counter him but this is why I’m saying he’s the trickiest one.

[deep chasm]

lafitte is a blade of god buy the stocks now

[deep chasm]

agreed

[golden valley]

Shiryu hasn’t ghosted future signt yet

[spice cairn]

There is a way but I doubt its simply using observation

Is the point

[fast pagoda]

Luffy vs Imu
Zoro vs Nusjuro
Dragon vs Garling
Sabo vs Shamrock
Law vs S-Flamingo

[warm fossil]

i mean its not what he does, there would be no reason to even set a trap in the first place if he could just walk up to garp and take his head off

[pulsar timber]

Or, your observation has to be very good

[tranquil blade]

Could you imagine if one piece ends with Shanks dead but Shamrock alive and turned good

lol

[pulsar timber]

Doffy isn’t some haki master

[spice cairn]

There would be no point in letting go Shiryu having the fruit if that was the case

[tranquil blade]

Doffy is very good at haki tho

Just not a god

[tough igloo]

damn went from god blade to a terrifying sheriff to a yonko commander .: that’s a interesting life to live lol

[pulsar timber]

Zoro could win if he tunes his observation really well

[sturdy steeple]

And the answer is not a simple observation, yes.

[pulsar timber]

Right now it’s average

[spice cairn]

Doflamingos Haki skills should be quite good enough though

[deep chasm]

please dont have laws final battle be a robot

[golden valley]

If you cant use Advance stages, ur not a top haki user

[vapid flower]

law v

[deep chasm]

how we get to sabo vs shamrock though? Sabo vs akainu still makes most sense to me atp

[spice cairn]

Also I feel like Shiryu is a sloppy swordsman

[fast pagoda]

Dont think it will be his final battle

[spice cairn]

Probably using the blade like a butcher machete

[tranquil blade]

Zoro will learn an advanced breath of all things technique where he can sense the breath of "nothing" and cut it, which allows him to see and one-shot Shiryu

It's peak

[fast pagoda]

Sabo vs Akainu doesnt really make that much sense

[deep chasm]

who else he gonna fight in your opinion then?

[sturdy steeple]

Queen would also easily win against Sanji if he kept being invisible. It’s a ridiculous power for a reason.

[warm fossil]

ok then if the only way to actually stop shiryu is some really advanced technique why are we not saying he's stronger than zoro

[golden valley]

Nah hes pretty skilled

[tough igloo]

based off one attack ? lol when he was just a swordsman with no DF he was already equal to magellan wit the DF

[spice cairn]

Coupled by Japanese emo punk rock

[fast pagoda]

The real Doflamingo after that

[pulsar timber]

It might simply not be good enough to detect invisible people. He’s good but not that good. Like sanjis is way better. It could be a way to tune up his observation, while sanjis fight can be a tool to tune up his arnament/coc

[golden valley]

When he cut the jailers

[deep chasm]

he dont rlly got no storylines with anyone besides akainu so far

[vernal ravine]

i think shamrock is stronger than garling even he a gorosei

[deep chasm]

even worse lowkey unless doffy got some huge buff or is a holy knight or something

[vernal ravine]

so dragon must have a better fight

[golden valley]

https://tenor.com/view/shiryu-one-piece-gif-18374250

[warm fossil]

sabo vs akainu is almost guarranteed

[fast pagoda]

Sabo does not have a storyline with Sakazuki though. He never even said his name. And the Revs dont care about the Navy as much as they care about the World Nobles

[pulsar timber]

That Doffy scene is pre timeskip too I believe so I’m taking that with a heavy side eye

[deep chasm]

akainu killing his brother is enough of a connection. And akainu will still presumably be an enemy to the revs here

[ruby moat]

Shiryu vs Zoro seems like it'd be an observation haki check, which is fine, but it seems a bit late in the series for something like that

[icy wolf]

luffy vs imu
shanks vs blackbeard
dragon vs garling
shamrock vs mihawk
koby vs akainu
sabo vs kuzan

[fast pagoda]

Oda doesn't care about consistent scaling, Doffy will come out of prison much stronger just like Crocoboy

[sturdy steeple]

Because I don’t like saying that when Shiryu is very likely worse in haki, physical department and maybe skills overall.
You wouldn’t go around calling Sugar stronger than Cavendish just because she one taps him, right?

[pulsar timber]

I can not imagine this fruit completely making the haki type null when haki has generally been used to counter fruits post timeskip

[sturdy steeple]

What would Shiryu do against King? Slice and cause no damage whatsoever. Matchups matter.

[spice cairn]

Cool but the swordplay can still be completely different.

[vernal ravine]

sabo vs akainu is almost a headcanon

[pulsar timber]

Will it be easy? No. Will Zoro struggle and fail to do it at fist? Yeah. Will better observation be the case? I think so

[tough igloo]

are these final saga fights that will happen ?

[golden valley]

Shiryu is gonna have good stats too

[sturdy steeple]

Well, if it’s observation it has to be an extremely advanced one.

[spice cairn]

Shiryu feels more like a serial killer villain and I hope thats the case.

[tranquil blade]

That's why I think normal observation wont work and Zoro will have to develop some advanced form of it, ideally related to breath of all things somehow

[sturdy steeple]

One that we still haven’t been shown.

[icy wolf]

yes

[spice cairn]

Will you drop OP if Shiryu lands a mortal blow on Zoro

[tough igloo]

right but i’m asking what about that one attack we saw from him gives off sloppy swordsman vibes

[fast pagoda]

If anything, Sabo has far more beef with BLACKBEARD than Sakazuki

[pulsar timber]

Especially someone like Shiryu who is extremely bloodlusted. He could out himself off that alone

[deep chasm]

yea maybe, would be a lil redundant tho unless doffy gets like a god of blade role tho imo

[warm fossil]

i mean first of all sugar has a fruit that allowed her to control an entire country so idk how good of an example that is, but shiryu like you're presenting him seems more similar to boa, where she easily beats anyone except a very specific pool of people, and i would aboslutely say she's stronger than zoro

[pulsar timber]

I will send Oda a strongly worded letter and tickle his toes for 48 hours

[deep chasm]

well thats not rlly on the table rn. Akainu is still a viable fight tho given his brother was killed

[ruby moat]

I could see that, but again it seems quite late in the series for it, unless it's something that he ends up needing to be able to defeat mihawk

[spice cairn]

Its a HC but its a vibes sort of thing that is specifically based on the attack.

[fast pagoda]

Revs vs Blackbeard Army makes more sense than them fighting thr Navy

[spice cairn]

Im not going to beat around the bush

[tough igloo]

he wouldn’t have more beef with Blackbeard for destroying a base compared to someone who murdered his brother lol

[fast pagoda]

They have a lot of beef the Revs fight Blackbeard almost as much as they fight the Government

[golden valley]

I hope Luffy fights akainu

[sturdy steeple]

That’s a good example because she’s tricky in the same way, lol.
Boa is generally stronger in my opinion so I don’t know what to add here.

[fast pagoda]

Blackbeard is the one who was ultimately responsible for Ace's death though

[pulsar timber]

Maybe he feels the breathe of all non living things in his area. Every ripple and movement. So this is how he detects movement of an invisible opponent and his sword

Hold on I cooked something

[deep chasm]

considering the navy is under the WG I dont see how thats true. Naturally youd imagine if we attack WG, navy will be defending them

[tough igloo]

he wasn’t though , Ace escaped from what BB did to him .. which is why even Sabo himself said he doesn’t blame the BBP for Ace death

[tranquil blade]

It could be something Mihawk himself already has, I figure since swordsmanship has some connection to observation and armament, so I feel like both will be important in defeating Mihawk

or at least I hope so

[deep chasm]

this has happened like once though. Yes its a reason they may fight, but this is not the same

[spice cairn]

Doesn't matter because I can see Zoro having some help to fight Shiryu anyways lmao. But I think Oda might keep it specifically 1v1

[fast pagoda]

That's not gonna be the case by the end of the manga though

[golden valley]

Shanks and Mohawk are master of Breath of All Living things

[sturdy steeple]

Wily, I think we’re over team fights.

[tranquil blade]

Zoro doesnt typically like help in fights tho

[sturdy steeple]

If it’s wings then 1v1 is guaranteed.

[tranquil blade]

or doesnt get help

[spice cairn]

Im a firm believer.

[tranquil blade]

Like most Zoro fights are just him and his opponent

[fast pagoda]

It happened at least 3 times (Dressrosa, Zou, Reverie), and will likely happen again soon

[sturdy steeple]

I dropped that after Wano

[deep chasm]

You rlly dont know that. I dont see why we'd assume that by the final war the navy will be completely separate from WG. I dont think that separation will be a big thing until halfway into the war when we'll see some navy characters betray. But ultimately I dont see why navy would not be defending WG at the beginning of the war

[sturdy steeple]

And tbh I don’t mind

Zoro and Sanji are cool that way

[spice cairn]

Wano shouldn't lower your morale

Zoro and Sanji are kissing

[pulsar timber]

Most fights in this series are 1v1s. People got too used to thriller bark for some reason

[sturdy steeple]

Yeah that’d be peak but alas

[sturdy steeple]

Because it’s peak

[fast pagoda]

The war will probably only start after the dark truth of the WG comes out, which is the perfect time for Sakazuki (who hates the World Nobles) to dip

[spice cairn]

I rather Sanji fight Shiryu unironically but isnt happening

[pulsar timber]

Filler park

[pulsar timber]

Ideally Zoro and Sanji don’t even fight those two

[golden valley]

Sanji alr fought an invisible opponent

[pulsar timber]

But we can’t have everything we want

[sturdy steeple]

Yeah, no, why would we have Sanji fighting an invisible opponent for the third time?

[spice cairn]

Would you want a 3v1 against BB

[pulsar timber]

At least we got the goresei and mihawk

[spice cairn]

Teech isnt all that

[sturdy steeple]

That’s too much.

[deep chasm]

So theyre just not going to be in the war at all?

[golden valley]

Honestly i hate talking about shiryu, his fruit is just so mid

[pulsar timber]

Nah. Thats luffys lick and his alone

[tranquil blade]

Sanji vs Shiryu would be worse than Sanji vs Vasco so I say absolutely not

[spice cairn]

Shiryu is cool

[golden valley]

Its so mid but it fits him perfectly

[spice cairn]

Oda is just stupid as fuck sometimes

[fast pagoda]

Wouldn't this mean he doesn't really want to avenge Ace at all though?

[somber flare]

Thriller fart

[sturdy steeple]

At this point I’m praying Sanji either fights Vasco or Lafitte. Begging almost.

[pulsar timber]

I think a monster trio team up would be fire though. For an extended period. Maybe imu idk

[vapid flower]

Thriller fart

[spice cairn]

Sanji will probably fight Vasco

[pulsar timber]

My man (sometimes)

[tranquil blade]

Sanji vs Lafitte would be so good

[spice cairn]

Like no meme

[golden valley]

Vasco shot vs sanji is the worse Sanji fight ever

[tranquil blade]

Vasco feels like a bum

[tough igloo]

lol this is textbook Zoro fans .. as soon as Shiryu starts to look good against zoro all that slander gonna turn into glaze just to upscale zoro 😂🤦🏾‍♂️

[pulsar timber]

I’m glad people see the Sanji Vasco light

[golden valley]

Vasco genuinely sucks

[tranquil blade]

I know he isnt fodder but like

[pulsar timber]

What has Lafitte done

[warm fossil]

we need brook Vs Laffite so brook can get a good fight

[spice cairn]

Vasco and Sanji are both chefs

[tranquil blade]

Be tuff

[vapid flower]

what if vs bb, the shs lose all their 1v1s

[pulsar timber]

Sanji vs Pizarro*.

[warm fossil]

crazy aura farmer

[golden valley]

Stop

[fast pagoda]

No, they will be completely fractured between SWORD and the main Marines, both of whom are against Imu

[spice cairn]

Pizarro vs SHs is happening to even get on the island

Then Part 2 commences

[pulsar timber]

Sanji vs Pizarro would be the only fight in this series id mentally check out on

It’s so bad

Why would you do that to Sanji

[tranquil blade]

His aura is off the charts wdym, he also is the chief of staff equivalent for the BBP so hes clearly really important

[golden valley]

The most disrespectful thing Oda can do is make Sanji fight vasco

[deep chasm]

So akainu and all of the navy will be fighting WG too, and so who is akainu fighting here?

[spice cairn]

Thats just vs Pica sloppy seconds

[tranquil blade]

He has some special role like that

[warm fossil]

pizzaro is genuinely just a worse pika lol why would sanji fight him

[spice cairn]

Like thats just a boring matchup lmao

[somber flare]

Sanji isn’t fighting Vasco

[spice cairn]

Sanji does not deserve Pizzaro

[spice cairn]

Believe it brother

[golden valley]

Vasco does not deserve sanji

[spice cairn]

Beauty vs Beast

[warm fossil]

sanji is fighting aokiji who will be weaker than shiryu

[golden valley]

Vasco is effectively food for Nami

[somber flare]

Pizarro vs Sanji makes literally perfect sense. Like every thing about it matches up, there is no better matchup objectively.

[sturdy steeple]

Excuse me? I’m your man and period. Have you been cheating on me????

[tranquil blade]

Vasco being a fishman and fighting Jinbe instead

[fast pagoda]

Sakazuki will be fighting against both pirates and Imu the final war will be very long

[spice cairn]

Yknow this is possible now

[tough igloo]

Kuzan will already be dead by then when his betrayal fails

[tranquil blade]

He's unfaithful

[pulsar timber]

Pizarro*

[spice cairn]

Why would you give Sanji Pica sloppy seconds

That is just disrespectful

[pulsar timber]

Yes

[deep chasm]

such as who, hes an admiral so youd imagine he'll get a relevant matchup

[sturdy steeple]

I think thematically Pizarro fits a lot but holy fuck his fruit is so bad for big hitters. I thought it would work like Pica’s but nooooope.

[golden valley]

Im sorry you believe this mul

Mik

Mul

[somber flare]

Even if Sanji vs Pizarro was a bad fight Sanji would deserve it because he sucks

[golden valley]

Muk

[spice cairn]

Thats why its a SH vs Pizarro

[sturdy steeple]

Caleb, we gotta have a talk later

[spice cairn]

I cannot see him fighting anyone unironically 1v1

[sturdy steeple]

I think Robin vs Pizarro is cool

[spice cairn]

Hes just way too big of a target and easy to knock down

[somber flare]

SH vs Pizarro? So Pizarro is gonna die in 2 seconds?

[spice cairn]

Robin vs Burgress

[tranquil blade]

Pizarro better have some special ability cause his fruit is Pica's but he gets hurt too rn

[tough igloo]

one thing i’ll give Pizzaro over Pica is he can take much stronger attacks and keep pushing through compared to Pika where if you actually hit him with 1 decent attack he’s cooked lol

[spice cairn]

Specifically to complete her martial art opponent meme

[golden valley]

Pizarro fruit sucks too, I wont lie but still

[sturdy steeple]

She would do the same as Pizarro. Just grow big limbs to fight him off.

[golden valley]

Hes better than vasco

[sturdy steeple]

Shuron, log out

[spice cairn]

IM THE ONE WHO CAME UP WITH IT FIRST

[golden valley]

Plus Pizarro will become better at his fruit

[tranquil blade]

Chopper might end up having one of the better fights lol

[golden valley]

So its ok

[pulsar timber]

Why do you want Robin to die

[ornate tartan]

Pizzaro got one shot by koby

[golden valley]

Are people forgetting the bbp’s are still babies in their fruit usage

[tranquil blade]

Doc Q and Stronger vs Chopper could be peak

[sturdy steeple]

If Pizarro gets better with his fruit then it’s fine

[spice cairn]

Robin fought a big fellow before

[sturdy steeple]

But now he’s an opponent for weaker SHs

[spice cairn]

But shes a lot stronger now

[pulsar timber]

But this guy will punch through mountains

[spice cairn]

I think she can take him

[pulsar timber]

One shot and it’s over

[warm fossil]

brother you joined the server as at least a year after shuron suggested it

[fast pagoda]

It's too early to predict all that but I could easily see him fighting a Gorosei; either way I think he is gonna fight Luffy before the final war

[spice cairn]

I didnt know you were a historian

[tough igloo]

he didn’t .. he tanked a acoc attack from Garp and told him “ that’s not enough to stop me “ then after Koby attack we saw him still standing over garp wit the rest of the crew

[sturdy steeple]

The problem with Burgess is that I don’t see him fighting anyone from weaker SHs. And it’s between Sanji and Jinbei here.

[somber flare]

Whatever your predictions are on SH vs BB matchups are, if they aren't the same as mine they are wrong

Burgess is fighting Jimbei

[pulsar timber]

The problem is that the hypothetical Zoro and Sanji fights are boring conceptually so we just have to suck it up and pick someone

Zoro is easy

[golden valley]

Correct

[pulsar timber]

Sanji not so much

[ornate tartan]

that’s why i believe he won’t be fighting sabo
not saying it’s impossible but as the fleet admiral, im assuming he will get a better matchup then the number 2 of an army
I could be wrong but I believe people let their personal dislike of akainu cloud their judgement sometimes
i’m of the belief that luffy has much more reason to fight akainu then sabo

[warm fossil]

idk after getting embarrassed by sabo I don't think anyone strong is gonna fight him

[golden valley]

Burgess is fighting jinbei

As cool as sanji vs burgess sounds

[somber flare]

that sounds boring to me

[fast pagoda]

The current BBP roster isnt even the final crew anyways

[deep chasm]

yea I dont see none of that. Maybe, but I think its more likely the marines still act as a force aligned with WG until like halfway into the final war. At the end of the day you need fodder and more than just 14 real enemies. it cant just be holy knights gorosei and imu vs eveyr pirate and revolutionary. But we will see

[somber flare]

Sanji vs an island sounds cooler and makes more sense

[fast pagoda]

Kuzan ass is not staying and Teach will likely get a few new strong members

[golden valley]

If jinbei fights vasco, well, it makes sense why that shark aint shit

[sturdy steeple]

But Sabo is strong so I don’t see your point lol

[spice cairn]

Hes definitely stupid.

[pulsar timber]

Sanji vs an island is the worst possible Sanji fight

[somber flare]

The only thing thats changing is Kuzan is leaving

[sturdy steeple]

And that was before he got a fruit

[deep chasm]

I would think so too, but Luffy just has more relevant people to fight in my opinion. Theres always the option of multiple fights, but Luffy should be fighting imu

[somber flare]

He makes it 11 v 10 anyway

[spice cairn]

Burgress was fighting quite well against Sabo before the fruit lmao

[golden valley]

Ehhh

[tranquil blade]

Kuzan is not fighting a strawhat I would bet a kidney on it

[sturdy steeple]

Well

[warm fossil]

sure but shouldn't even be stronger than whatever version of ssnji will reach the bbp fight

[golden valley]

Yes and no

[sturdy steeple]

He was aight

[tranquil blade]

Kuzan is not fighting a strawhat as his main fight at least

[golden valley]

He did get his armor shattered but he was holding his own

So not bad

[spice cairn]

He was holding his own

That is far from embarrassing lmao

[golden valley]

Yea

[somber flare]

Either Kuzan leaves or the straw hats have another ally with them that fights him

[spice cairn]

He only got humbled after 1) sabo got the fruit and 2) Oda specifically decided to turn his brain off

[deep chasm]

woooooahhhh lets not doubt the 3rd brother of destiny

[somber flare]

maybe Garp

[sturdy steeple]

Dude, he got a fruit that makes him lift mountains and he’s a competitive fighter from head to toes. If anything he’s one of the strongest people within BBP.

[tranquil blade]

How does that 2nd one work

[golden valley]

Its funny how people miss Burgess using Haki

[ornate tartan]

true
dragon could work, kuzan again would be a long shot
and koby is very unlikely but who knows
i think sabo would make more sense then koby

[tranquil blade]

Sabo is like admiral level rn

[ruby moat]

he's also stupid tho

[tawny panther]

you know ball

[spice cairn]

I mean youd think as a fighter hand to hand, youd want to use Haki a lot

Especially on a logia guy

[sturdy steeple]

That’s the reason why his fruit is so simple yet effective

[tranquil blade]

Well Burgess has done this before tho

[sturdy steeple]

He’s stupid so he just uses brute force.

[tranquil blade]

I think he's jsut stupid

[spice cairn]

Embarrassed btw

[golden valley]

Invalid, scuffed scan

[golden valley]

Holy cook

[fast pagoda]

I dont like Morj tbh but Teach getting the Seraphim is a possibility

[ornate tartan]

another morj schizo theory

[ruby moat]

Burgess couldnt land a single hit against Sabo, who is slower than Sanji

[fast pagoda]

However if I say who I think his new members will be people will get mad at me

[ornate tartan]

where is the wano analysis

[sturdy steeple]

Like this guy can just make a crack in earth and then sandwich you in between by closing it out

Or whatever you can think of

[ruby moat]

anyone can look impressive if their opponent just lets them do shit

[golden valley]

Before I die, I wanna see Burgess catch one of Fuji’s meteors and throw it back at him

[sturdy steeple]

This is the spirit of OP fights lol

[grand flower]

Dragon is gonna end up getting them

[sturdy steeple]

One stands doing nothing and another one does cool shit

[tranquil blade]

If Burgess isnt comically strong to where hes throwing islands or some bs the fruit sucks

[ornate tartan]

Fujitora devil fruit is so underrated

[grand flower]

Oda foreshadowed it(yeah Ik)

But PX-0 responds to a command from Dragon

Shaka or Stella probably snuck him into the Pacifista hierarchy

[spice cairn]

Now imagine if his fruit can enhance this attack

[ornate tartan]

If Shanks had any Devil fruit (If Gryphon didn’t eat one alr) I would want him to have Fuji Fruit

[grand flower]

It probably does

[sturdy steeple]

Burgess’ power is so comically broken that only the sky is the limit

[ruby moat]

oh thats how this is

nvm yea he will actually probably transcend the story and go on to become a real world WWE wrestler taking down John Cena for his title

[sturdy steeple]

He can flick fingers so powerfully that it alone would destroy the coliseum

[grand flower]

I read this way too fast

[fast pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/kaido-big-mom-rocks-pirates-wano-roof-piece-gif-26752543

[golden valley]

Ok but we don’t really know how it works, like can he get indefinitely stronger? Has he hit his peaked strength? Im curious if it works similar to urouge only that he doesnt need to take damage

[grand flower]

I thought you were losing your mind

[spice cairn]

I think Oda does a poor time conveying how strong characters truly are in a vaccum

Burgress is a good example

[sturdy steeple]

I am losing my mind

[grand flower]

Yeah I didn’t think him lifting that mountain seemed really impressive

[sturdy steeple]

I also think people underestimate that SHs aren’t the only ones getting stronger

[grand flower]

That too

[spice cairn]

Yeah universally I think everyone is lmao

[steel stirrup]

Maybe a few years ago

[golden valley]

The BBP’s are babies in their DFs

[sturdy steeple]

Ok I’m doing too much for Burgess, I have to turn off my brains

[grand flower]

Pre-skip the world underestimated Teach until it was too late

[sturdy steeple]

Fuck him

[spice cairn]

Some of these characters aren't just statically the same

[steel stirrup]

Like before Dressrosa maybe it would've been cool

[grand flower]

Post-skip, the audiences is underestimating thr entire crew

[grand flower]

Nah it’s factually impressive

I meant visually

I feel like we’ve seen bigger

[ornate tartan]

imagine if morj theory comes true
ab the one piece being sent to the future and hasn’t arrived yet

😂🤣

[grand flower]

That theory kinda sucks

[steel stirrup]

Its impressive as fuck but most of the reaction seemed underwhelmed

From others

[spice cairn]

I think him lifting a mountain isnt particularly impressive but its moreso how minimal effort it was for him of his stature specifically is what makes it huge

[grand flower]

The part where morj says “it can’t be that Roger found it and it’s been there because then it’d mean that someone other than who Joy boy wanted would have found it”

[sturdy steeple]

I think it was really impressive

[grand flower]

Like dude

That’s the conflict

[spice cairn]

This guy just increased his power overnight to the point where he was able to just lift the mountain

[grand flower]

That the wrong person can find it

[sturdy steeple]

Because it means that there’s almost no one that can match his strength. You cannot clash with this guy.

[ruby moat]

it doesnt help that the mountain didnt rly do shit in the fight, and then burgess didnt do anything after throwing the mountain

[golden valley]

Its a good lifting feat

[ornate tartan]

physical strength ≠ combat ability

[grand flower]

Yeah it is

[hazy echo]

https://x.com/ascehole/status/2005993524936990987

َ (@ascehole)

X · Dec 30, 2025, 1:25 PM

[golden valley]

But it doesn’t really tell us how hard he hits

[ornate tartan]

burgess can’t fight he’s just a muscle head

[grand flower]

Robin is gonna beat Burgess tho

[sturdy steeple]

I legitimately think even Kaido would feel uncomfortable trying to match him in strength.

[golden valley]

Idk about that but I hope

[fast pagoda]

Yall not ready for them joining BB

[ruby moat]

Kaido, the guy who was lifting an island while fighting a gauntlet

[frozen aspen]

I went to the store yesterday and didn't find any eggs. Fuck akainu

[sturdy steeple]

His clouds were lifting an island for him, come on now

[ruby moat]

It was his fruit yea

[ornate tartan]

kaido will die before he joins anyone else

[ruby moat]

but it was burgess' fruit that let him lift the mountain

[spice cairn]

I mean Burgess can also lift an entire island without clouds

[hazy echo]

Have you asked Baron

[ruby moat]

can he?

[fast pagoda]

Teach will surpass his dad who had Primebeard on the crew

[sturdy steeple]

You know yourself this is a completely different thing

[spice cairn]

If the fruit lets him do it, he can

[frozen aspen]

who

[sturdy steeple]

I don’t know why we’re even entertaining that

[ashen perch]

Burgess with the Strength fruit is still gonna be overpowered by Jinbe, people arent ready for this

[ruby moat]

Lifting a mountain isnt that impressive when the previous arc had a guy lifting an island

[hazy echo]

https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Tamago

[spice cairn]

If he can lift an mountain, what's stopping him from lifting an entire island

[ornate tartan]

thank u

[ruby moat]

well getting underneath it

for one

[spice cairn]

Jinbei is going to have a good fight for sure.

[frozen aspen]

oh him

ok I'll ask him

[golden valley]

Ater

Water

But i see your vision

[spice cairn]

Well of course

[grand flower]

This was a great scene

[spice cairn]

But theorically

[sturdy steeple]

His fruit allowed him to create clouds that would lift the island. It has nothing to do with his physical strength.

[frozen aspen]

he said akainu stole his all eggs 😔

[sturdy steeple]

Burgess can do that with his physical strength alone.

[ashen perch]

the mountain thing wasnt honestly THAT crazy, Sanji lifted Bananagator with one foot in Alabasta and that mountain was maybe 2-3 Bananagators

[spice cairn]

Bananagator scaling

[ornate tartan]

EOS Jinbe can lift up an island
we left that feat in 2021

[ruby moat]

burgess' mountain was significantly smaller than onigashima

[golden valley]

Fishman Island kicked Wadatsumi

[sturdy steeple]

Bro

[frozen aspen]

burgess is a bum

[golden valley]

Who was canonically mountain sized

[blazing depot]

Akainu now has no more friends

[ashen perch]

oh yea, this is better

[brittle basin]

Oh, no. Look who got a card lol

[hazy echo]

https://tenor.com/vSIASBy64aF.gif

[spice cairn]

Oh cool its Law

[tawny panther]

yeah the only 2 options i see for the Devon touching Saturn and its either

1.) they use it to control seraphims

2.) Devon has the ability to see/copy memories (like nine tailed fox) and now she has Saturns

[ashen perch]

Wadatsumi was for sure mountain sized yea

[hazy echo]

Female Law has a bunch of stuff already

[fast pagoda]

She could potentially use it to access the abyss teleportation

[craggy vapor]

ye, I didn’t expect Akainu being capable of apologizing at all.

[ruby moat]

Sanji's kicks launched zoan form Queen up in the air as well

[somber flare]

I know the conversation is kinda done already but I will be posting my objectively correct SH vs BB matchups

[golden valley]

He was bigger than the Kraken when he inflated who was ~300m

[sturdy steeple]

I feel like there’s a difference between hitting something so that it travels certain distance and lifting something up

[brittle basin]

i'm blind, and must've forgot

[ashen perch]

yeah, even at base he was already bigger than even oars iirc

[sturdy steeple]

But I guess we won’t talk about that

[somber flare]

All SH vs BB pirates matchups + reasonings:

Luffy vs Blackbeard:
Zoro vs Shiryu: Swordsman, 2nd strongest
Sanji vs Pizarro: North blue prince vs North blue king. Sanji has the best moveset/abilities to deal with Pizarro's. He is the only one who really can fly for long periods of time during a fight which makes sense when fighting a dude the size of an island
Jimbei vs Burgess: Helmsmen, have the same martial arts/grappler/wrestler/champion type aesthetic, just makes sense.
Chopper vs Doc Q: Doctors
Usopp vs Van Auger: Snipers
Nami vs Devon: Devon is known for killing beautiful women. Only options are Nami and Robin but Nami is the one who flaunts their beauty more
Brook vs Laffitte: Classy dudes with cane swords
Franky vs San Juan Wolf: I think Oda made Franky's bounty poster Sunny for THIS SPECIFIC REASON. Franky is going to turn Sunny into a megazord type thing and fight the giant San Juan with that
Robin vs Vasco Shot: This is only really because Blackbeard brought him and Devon to fight Boa and they are like the "pervert" characters. Devon is already fighting Nami so Robin gets Vasco.

[blazing depot]

Sanji vs Shiryu cuz he stole his dream

[sturdy steeple]

Like I don’t think Sanji can lift up Oars just because he managed to kick him

[golden valley]

The former is superior in most cases, but like, I think bench pressing a mountain is a different type of strength

[tawny panther]

ooo i didn’t even think of that 🤯 since it’s a myth zoan i feel like it has to be a upgrade from Bon Clay fruit (who could only copy appearance )

[golden valley]

Sanji cant do that yeah

[ruby moat]

Hitting something in the air is a single point of contact at one moment while lifting it is a more extended movement

[sturdy steeple]

Different muscle groups yeah but that doesn’t matter

[frozen aspen]

fem law having stick arms is kinda cringe

[hazy echo]

Oh there was this card too

[frozen aspen]

but not suprising giving oda is a loser when it comes to women

[golden valley]

Fem Law is hot

[somber flare]

Definitely number 1

[golden valley]

Fem Law > Male Law

[tranquil blade]

Yes but

[golden valley]

No buts

Shes not a man

[tranquil blade]

Yamato should've been buff

[ashen perch]

https://tenor.com/view/shannon-sharpe-skip-bayless-skip-bayless-sharpe-gif-25485037

[spice cairn]

Yamato is buffed wym

[hazy echo]

https://tenor.com/bS4WK.gif

[spice cairn]

She getting the Ulti buff

[sturdy steeple]

Fem Law is lame

[brittle basin]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/738580480437387264/1449123296984698953/caption.gif

[sturdy steeple]

Could’ve been drawn so much better

[spice cairn]

She uses Ulti as a benchpress

[tranquil blade]

I dont like Fem Law because its Oda behind it

and I know who Oda is

[spice cairn]

Idk if this is Oda or a Doc Q moment

But I guess its a Oda moment

[brittle basin]

Everything is an Oda moment. He's the author.

[spice cairn]

Doc Q had no control anyway

[spice cairn]

Doc Q is the ghost writer

[hazy echo]

Law got the cooties disease

[golden valley]

Being a woman is a disease in OP

[fast pagoda]

[ashen perch]

I forgot Sanji was just ragebaiting Wadatsumi into being bigger than the Krakken lmao

[spice cairn]

I think him making a disease to make you female, that just somehow is suppose to make you "weaker" is just so fucking insane coming from Doc Q

[sturdy steeple]

Oda sucks at applying unique design traits to his female counterparts.
Just look at the fem worst gen again and compare it with original versions. Fem side looks like random NPCs.

[tawny panther]

lmao Toei took it a step further and had Law say he felt weaker as a woman 😂🤦🏾‍♂️

[golden valley]

Aint no way

[sturdy steeple]

The easiest example is that fem Law doesn’t even have the same eyes.

[spice cairn]

Yeah like this was insane

[tawny panther]

lmao toei was demons for that smh

[golden valley]

Yeah, this was great

[spice cairn]

Doc Q literally just made the disease because he thinks women are weaker.

[tranquil blade]

Well except fem Apoo but thats probably because Apoo already looks unique

[spice cairn]

Out of pocket moment from my king

[fast pagoda]

He talkin like Devon wouldnt low diff his weak ass

[sturdy steeple]

Yeah fem Apoo is great

But that’s only fem Apoo

[scenic dirge]

Sanji can be a good shittalker when he wants to be

[spice cairn]

Male Bonney is Shanks

[scenic dirge]

I appreciate that

[golden valley]

Fishman Island Sanji was something else

[craggy vapor]

Does anyone here read manga with an iPad mini?

[spice cairn]

Which became an actual theory meme

[scenic dirge]

wtf is an ipad mini

is that not just an ipod

[golden valley]

Fishman Island Sanji had good moments

[tranquil blade]

an ipad but mini

[spice cairn]

If only Sanji talked like that with me

But yknow

[tranquil blade]

isnt ipod just for music

[ruby moat]

Fem Fujitora looks like a very nice lady

[spice cairn]

Ok so imagine the Ipod right

But its smaller

[craggy vapor]

google is your friend

[scenic dirge]

ipod touch was basically just an og iphone without any celluar capabilities

[ruby moat]

Not quite that mini

[fast pagoda]

I like female Kuzan

[spice cairn]

I wonder how much those go for

[scenic dirge]

SAYS WHO??? I hate that mf

[scenic dirge]

Google killed my family

[craggy vapor]

how

[golden valley]

I want a female luffy

[spice cairn]

Oh huh, theyre actually cheap

[sturdy steeple]

You’re talking rather fast……….