also-manga

[spice cairn]

I mean sure, but its hard to really disagree with some people in regards to how much Rocks took up despite how you feel about him

[sturdy steeple]

But some characters just get popular for the cool factor

[rain cedar]

Rocks is right where he is

[pulsar timber]

Yall need to beat Miami so yall can have another heartbreaking loss to Georgia

[hot cairn]

how would you guys rate this arc out of 10 so far?

[rain cedar]

But he gets glazed to oblivion

[ruby cape]

Sb based take

Can’t hate the guy who intimidates the head of the world

[rain cedar]

So I do agree

[urban lodge]

He absolutely deserves it, he's nowhere near as good as people make him out to be

[sturdy steeple]

Hate is too much, I agree, but you also don’t have to be invested into them

[barren token]

If that's getting off the hook I'd hate to see what being on the hook looks like!!!!

[pulsar timber]

I literally ran across my house jumping for joy when yall missed that kick at midnight

[strong junco]

Xebec IS overrated as a fighter and as a character

[spice cairn]

PERSONALLY all I learned from this flashback is Glorisa being the best Amazon gal and Roger is stupid for missing out on her.

[muted hedge]

i am excited to learn more about Tritoma

[urban lodge]

Poor Gloriosa got nothing and she was the closest person there to Shakky

[muted hedge]

she seems like such a sweet gal

[spice cairn]

But you can argue Portaz ended up being better so

[pulsar timber]

Roger has no rizz

[rain cedar]

Waow ( So true)

[pine scaffold]

I don't think I've seen Oda glaze a character as much as he did with Rocks 😭

Bro's intro was killing an admiral, meeting Imu, clashing with Harald, destroying the gates of justice and getting all his crew from a davy back

[pulsar timber]

Roger literally didn’t pull until he had coc cancer and had like a year to live

[rain cedar]

Shanks is right there

[hot cairn]

Loki and Yamato got insanely popular just by looks alone

[pulsar timber]

He’s just like us

[hot cairn]

but Loki>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yamato

[spice cairn]

Bro probably killed the admiral while he was on lunch break

[sturdy steeple]

The best Amazon gal is actually Tritoma

[spice cairn]

Ain't that tough bro

[pulsar timber]

Let’s calm down

[tranquil blade]

Aramaki could probably do this

[urban lodge]

Loki is a great character at least

[rain cedar]

No one and I mean no character in fiction has ever gotten head from the author on the same level as Shanks

[urban lodge]

So it's not just looks

[spice cairn]

I hope we see more of her

[strong junco]

Oda flaze more Akainu (deserved)

[sage temple]

Obviously ngl

[sturdy steeple]

Yeah these two are the exception

[hasty sable]

I think Harald hypocritically thinking he can purchase peace by outsourcing violence to empire and his downfall being that he’s stubbornly closed off to the moral dissonance there and that he’s selling out his own people for his own martyr complex is really compelling character work. He’s a very complex character.

[sturdy steeple]

jk jk

[pulsar timber]

Yamato is great too

[hasty sable]

And imo you kind of need Rocks in the story as a counterpoint for it to work

[pine scaffold]

Shanks's intro wasnt as glazed

[urban lodge]

If I speak

[strong junco]

Anyone who thinks Shanks > Akainu, needs to read op again

[spice cairn]

Loki and Yamato pale in comparison to Bonney.

[hasty sable]

It doesn’t work unless you have someone next to Harald that firmly opposes empire

[rain cedar]

Careful, they put people on the cross for saying that

[blazing depot]

I agree, Harald is very underrated and ignored cuz he’s at odd with Rocks

[barren token]

Rocks should have set a nursing home on fire

[rain cedar]

Especially here for some reason lmao

[sage temple]

16 year old Loki was more capable than 25 year old Shanks

[sturdy steeple]

Yamato’s story isn’t bad and Loki’s story is great. Deserved

[hot cairn]

we need to start a dialogue

[sage temple]

Let that sink in

[golden valley]

You just lost your op privileges

[hot cairn]

cause Loki is miles better than Yamato

[spice cairn]

Rocks should've comically blackpilled about global warming

[rain cedar]

Sorry, Shanks overall still wins out

[hasty sable]

Rocks should have been a bit more messy but still portrayed as right

[ruby moat]

U getting ignored for a reason

[muted hedge]

Harald let Loki kill him though

[sage temple]

Not really

[pulsar timber]

The call me Jesus

[blazing depot]

Eco terrorist Rocks 😭

[brittle basin]

Shanks>Shanks

[urban lodge]

But yeah Loki is fantastic, he deserves his popularity

[strong junco]

Said by oda Akainu could be pirate King in just a year by his strength

[sage temple]

Harald can't turn off his regen. Loki was the first to actually kill a HK so far

[blazing depot]

So it’s just avalanche

[pulsar timber]

We will

[muted hedge]

if Shanks was Harald's son i'm sure it would play out the same way

[sage temple]

So you can pipe down sabaku

[spice cairn]

Loki deserves a woman like me

If Socrates doesnt mind that is.

[rain cedar]

I think loki is top 1 in Elbaf. He is competing with Harald

But he wins

[golden valley]

The most misunderstood statement in the entirety of OP

[sage temple]

If Shanks were Harald's son he still wouldn't be able to kill Harald

[sturdy steeple]

Socrates would definitely mind that

[strong junco]

Yeah im.not going to say who ignores u

[muted hedge]

we've already been through this, he can just stop attacking Loki letting himself be pummeled like a meatbag

[hasty sable]

I kind of did like the theory that he was out to kill Shanks purely because he’s a CD and that’s why Roger killed him

[pulsar timber]

Messy as in having more evil or morally ambiguous acts or personal life stuff?

[hasty sable]

That would have been a great

[muted hedge]

Harald attacked Loki once after that he just let himself be killed

[sage temple]

Yet the Roger Pirates couldn't kill a HK

[strong junco]

How is it misunderstood? Its like saying 2+2 is 4 is misunderstoos

[sage temple]

But Loki could

Lmao

The desperation'

[muted hedge]

yeah since they probably didn't just let themselves be killed like Harald did

[urban lodge]

Him destroying Estrid's village was so good

[hasty sable]

Rocks imo should be a character who is purely 100% correct but whose truth is difficult to accept because it requires violence and he’s so uncompromising in it

[ruby moat]

Your mother doesn’t. Boom. 🫳🎤

[muted hedge]

there's no desperation, i am just saying the obvious

[sage temple]

Shanks fans can't live with the fact that the Roger pirates can't kill an HK while Loki can

Lmao

[strong junco]

No one is against Loki, chill out

[brittle basin]

I'm trying to figure out if they're

1. A troll
2. An arrogant teen
3. An adult incapable of nuance

[blazing depot]

My only gripe with Rocks is that Oda kind of brushes over the fact he killed hundreds of people and raided tons of villages and towns

[hasty sable]

But I wouldn’t have minded that being twisted into something in the end

[sage temple]

I'm stating the obvious that Loki could kill an HK while the Roger Pirates can't

[strong junco]

Um okay

[ruby cape]

Holy Loki glaze

[steel stirrup]

Better not be

[ruby moat]

1 and 2 most likely

[brittle basin]

Get the gulag ready, Bart.

[strong junco]

Is dhanks stronger than Mihawk?

[muted hedge]

i'm not denying that Loki killed Harald who was an holy knight, i'm saying the way he was allowed to killed Harald

[sage temple]

Wdym chill out I'm just stating facts lol

[brittle basin]

https://tenor.com/view/netflix-mihawk-gif-16017751859179581136

[hasty sable]

I personally really did like that there really wasn’t any moral finger wagging at Rocks

[steel stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/popcorn-guy-relaxing-popcorm-popcorn-gif-26404903

[sage temple]

He was allowed to do what he wanted to Harald. Loki was the only one that was CAPABLE of killing an HK

[muted hedge]

if Harald didn't want to be killed, he wouldn't have been killed pretty much

[golden valley]

No its not. Its about the main character being too strong at the start, if Luffy started off as a top tier, the manga ends in a year.

[knotty pilot]

the HK didn't want to die to the roger pirates

[gloomy tree]

we get it, you are stuck up Lokis ass, can you get out of there for 2026 pls

[sage temple]

I never said Harald didn't let it happen

[spice cairn]

If anything I hope Teech continues to be the ugly side of this concept.

[knotty pilot]

facts

[sage temple]

Oh so it's bad when I state facts about my character but ok when others do about Shanks

[spice cairn]

Again, Rocks existing solely as a anti-thesis to his character is brilliant

[sage temple]

Word2

[hasty sable]

Yeah, I expect him to be a funhouse mirror version for Rocks’ ambition

[strong junco]

Okay Mihawk said that Being the pk is harder than defeating him + akainu could be pk in leds than a year... Akainu > Mihawk

[pulsar timber]

Ah so right message but hard to accept methods. Yeah I can see how you’d want that and how that makes his dynamic with harald better. But I also like the turn his character went with him chilling out and turning more into a family oriented guy.

[spice cairn]

But I do not care about Rocks as a character but moreso as a vehicle for Teech's characterization

[sage temple]

The HK regenerate no matter what. Loki was able to stop that regen and kill Harald completely

[strong junco]

I dont think so, ends in marineford

[spice cairn]

Which is why im bummed this wasn't saved for the Teech stuff

[brittle basin]

I can't read.

[muted hedge]

Teech's ambition should be a twisted version of what Rocks wanted, yeah

[strong junco]

Huh

[golden valley]

What bro

[brittle basin]

This is too fucking easy, you're no fun.

[sturdy steeple]

Ass

[golden valley]

Listen, that Akainu argument is cooked.

[steel stirrup]

Where's your neighbors blind dog?

[strong junco]

What??

[sage temple]

Nobody is refuting this 😭

[knotty pilot]

because harald allowed loki to do that

[strong junco]

Fact

[golden valley]

All it means is Akainu is strong like top tiers

[pulsar timber]

Rocks seems like he wanted to be king because of his family line, Blackbeard wants the same thing because he’s a selfish bastard

[golden valley]

Which we knew

[muted hedge]

right, i just agreed with Marxster

[spice cairn]

Like, his significance for Loki and Harald shouldnt be underestimated but the whole framing of God Valley wouldve worked as a transition directly into Teech's journey

[ruby moat]

Akainu a bitch

[steel stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/it-is-known-game-of-thrones-it's-understood-everyone-knows-we-know-gif-9361879955269503159

[blazing depot]

I think Rocks makes Teach more interesting tbh

[sage temple]

Loki was the only one capable of killing an HK, it doesn't matter if they allow it or not Harald is the most naturally durable HK so far

[spice cairn]

And not arcs apart. But im sure theres a reason for it.

[strong junco]

You dont unserstand how strong akainu is

[steel stirrup]

I agree

[pulsar timber]

I have no doubt we will see god valley from Blackbeards pov when he gets his flashback

[brittle basin]

Had to put him down. He got rabies. 🙁 Thankfully, via a miracle through making goat sacrifices to my lord and savior Satan, I can see again! Praise be!

[hasty sable]

I like his foil dynamic with Harald most of all right now, how his story becomes the seed of revolution and resistance that manifests in all sorts of ways contrasted against Harald showing the price of capitulation

[rain cedar]

It has already sown the seeds for it

[ruby cape]

I agree and it goes both ways too, Teach makes Rocks interesting

[spice cairn]

Considering we get it from Kuma is what makes me hopeful.

[blazing depot]

Like Teach is basically Rocks 2.0 but without the honor or morals. Basically Teach is willing to cross any line

[steel stirrup]

Praise Satan!

Did he teach you how to read?

[hasty sable]

You need to show the consequences of both for Harald’s arc to work imo

[gloomy tree]

thats not a fact, for all we know the Roger Pirates might have just defended them off long enough to just leave without ever needing to kill them

[brittle basin]

For sure; I assume more comes to light if we get the BB backstory, which can further expand on what Eris knew that got conveyed to her son.

[pulsar timber]

Yeah it’s necessary to see how garling even found them out, and the circumstances of his birth considering he’s clearly not normal

[brittle basin]

He sure did! What a swell deity

[knotty pilot]

it does matter if they allow it tho. ofc harald was the most naturally durable HK but he let himself die

[gloomy tree]

this claim that he was the only one capable is just bs, i mean he did kill one but that person asked him to do it, nothing that can be denied

[muted hedge]

i'm really interested in how much Eris contributed in Teech's life, like did she die shortly after escaping God Valley?

[golden valley]

Wrong

[spice cairn]

Like dont get me wrong im all for it. But I guess its just specifically me wanting a bit more Loki and Harald.

And co of course

[knotty pilot]

exactly

[sage temple]

It's pretty likely that the Roger Pirates were trying to kill the HKs lmao

[spice cairn]

But Im assuming we are now shift gearing into Loki directly

[sage temple]

Saying they weren't trying to kill them is illogical

[strong junco]

Okay shanks wins against mihawk?

[steel stirrup]

[knotty pilot]

obviously the HK retreated everytime

[pulsar timber]

Blackbeard was found at age 8 I believe, and god valley happened when he was 2. So there’s like a 6ish year gap

[golden valley]

mihawk beats shanks

[pulsar timber]

Who knows what happened

[spice cairn]

Eris was probably hunted due to infamy

[sage temple]

He can't turn off his regen though. Loki made sure he was killed and bypassed his regen completely

[strong junco]

You know what Mihawk said to luffy?

[spice cairn]

Or you can get darker and Teech killed her off for some gain

[graceful belfry]

Get ready

Prepare

[brittle basin]

https://tenor.com/view/netflix-mihawk-gif-16017751859179581136

[spice cairn]

You never know

[golden valley]

PK > Strongest swordsman

[sage temple]

Yeah, when given the chance. Why not kill them before they retreat?

[pulsar timber]

Prepare for something 18 years in the future

[gloomy tree]

no not really, no need to kill someone if you can just make them unable to follow you

[muted hedge]

i'm willing to assume that Eris will die in some tragic way, which will turn Teech even more heinous

[urban lodge]

Eris dies of flashback mom disease

[spice cairn]

Probably hunted, as I'd assume

[strong junco]

Akainu can be the pirate King in less than a year (real life)

[pulsar timber]

I highkey want Blackbeard to kill his mother

Am I wrong for that

[steel stirrup]

Yes

[ruby cape]

Yeah

[spice cairn]

Yknow people joke about Eris being apart of his body

[hot cairn]

I want the same

[steel stirrup]

But I understand

[sage temple]

The HK came lots of times. Logically there's no reason to leave someone alive if they're just going to keep being a hassle

[spice cairn]

But that could be pretty insane

[muted hedge]

i don't think you're wrong for that, that would be interesting
though it needs to be very much so explained Teech's direct thoughts for why

[steel stirrup]

But you are definitely evil as fuck

[urban lodge]

I want evil mastermind Eris because that would be very funny

[graceful belfry]

Question. Do Teach’s circumstances that came as a result of God Valley already make him a sympathetic villain?

[spice cairn]

Via some weird killing method

[sage temple]

Nobody could kill a HK until Loki did

[steel stirrup]

She was

[spice cairn]

You can feel bad for him but that doesnt dissolve what he ends up doing long term.

But I do not feel sympathy at all

[steel stirrup]

But BB is the mastermind now

[knotty pilot]

yes but harald was the reason loki could do that, although loki did some damage

[ruby moat]

Bb a bitch he went from being something similar to a slave to owning slaves himself

[knotty pilot]

ask oda lol

[brittle basin]

I think the panel of him as a child seeing the CDs as demonic silhouettes adds to some level of sympathy? How much? Eh, not sure.

[spice cairn]

Corazon exists as an example of someone who made something out of his misery

[golden valley]

Because of him being the MC and starting off too strong, beating the vast majority of everyone in his path causing the series to wrap up quicker. Do akainu fans not realize that when you say this, why hasn’t Akainu found the One Piece yet?

[graceful belfry]

I agree. I don’t feel sympathy right now either. I wonder how much that’ll change as a result of his direct backstory and the potential for even sadder stuff to happen to him

[sage temple]

You're acting like the Roger Pirates definitively didn't try to kill the HKs which doesn't make sense logically lmao

[strong junco]

He still has to defeat Big Mom, Kaido, Gorosei, Hk.

[pulsar timber]

In the eyes of most people I guess yes. Personally it’s still a no. Like his actions are too heinous for me to sympathize with him. I can understand how his messed up life led him to become who he is but I really stop feeling bad when he has slaves and shit. Same deal as doffy for me

[golden valley]

Why didn’t he find the One Piece yet

[strong junco]

Shanks, blackbeard, Mihawk

[ruby cape]

But ain’t it different when a HK is willingly wanting to die vs a HK fighting all out

[strong junco]

Cuz hes a marine?

[ruby cape]

I ain’t read up on the convo tho

[urban lodge]

I feel zero sympathy for him because he's probably even worse than the WG and I find it kinda silly if he even remembers anything about god valley

[spice cairn]

Yeah again Corazon exists

[pulsar timber]

Especially since I believe Blackbeard isn’t even revenge and spite driven like doffy is

[spice cairn]

So it's very hard to feel bad for Teech

[fluid cedar]

Not searching for it

[hasty sable]

I don’t think trauma factors into what Teach wants so much as he believes he’s destined for it and wants to take everything. He betrays and murders his friends and rules exactly like a Celestial Dragon. It would be trading one oppressor for another.

[steel stirrup]

Best villain in all of fiction imo

[sage temple]

Loki was able to take care of Harald and break the control of Imu it seems. Harald attacks Loki first and then Loki hits him once, breaking Imu's control and causing Harald to stop attacking him

[golden valley]

The marines want to stop the OP from being found and now theyre currently aiming to get it

[knotty pilot]

the HK are so weak compared to the roger pirates

[spice cairn]

Its shown that his concept of grudges doesnt exist

[strong junco]

What?? Marines are not after the op

[spice cairn]

And it does, its way different compared to the usual

[ruby cape]

Ain’t this downscaling them too much

[golden valley]

The marines are aiming to do that now

[sage temple]

Yet the Roger Pirates have never seemed to kill an HK

[knotty pilot]

yes loki did damage

[hasty sable]

As a kid yeah he deserves sympathy, nobody deserves to go through that, but he’s not that kid anymore

[pulsar timber]

Makes him so much cooler. He really isn’t above anything. Isn’t driven by revenge or spite for the world (yet). Just an asshole with a bad past

[knotty pilot]

from the ones we saw ig

[sage temple]

Yeah and broke control of Imu from the looks of it

[strong junco]

No

[fluid cedar]

Now sure but earlier on they weren’t looking for it

[steel stirrup]

His father was arguably a hero

And now we have a menace

I love it

[sage temple]

Okay then

[golden valley]

The race for OP is happening

[hasty sable]

He is just greed personified. He wants everything. Like a black hole.

[strong junco]

Pirates are on it, not marines

[sage temple]

Loki killed an HK while the Roger Pirates just sent them away after making them hurt a bunch

Not much more to it lol

[blazing depot]

Akainu and Koby are both after it wdym

[steel stirrup]

Shit is soooo peak

[golden valley]

So Akainu should find it and end the series

[blazing depot]

Did you read

[golden valley]

Wrong

[ruby cape]

Marines are on the OP bro

[steel stirrup]

Blackbeard said "I want it all"

[golden valley]

The world is racing after the op

[hasty sable]

I do think he wants revenge for his family too and that he greatly admires his father and wants to be like him. But he is a funhouse mirror of Xebec.

[strong junco]

Really? Can u show proof

[steel stirrup]

And he'll probably get it for a few seconds

[knotty pilot]

yes but harald allowed loki to kill him. ofc loki did good damage

[fluid cedar]

Its been like 2 days since the race started not a year

[golden valley]

Okay, so will akainu find it and end the series

[steel stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-blackbeard-haki-evil-laugh-one-piece-blackbeard-haki-gif-8010676475224775922

[sage temple]

Yeah but Loki could break control of Imu from Harald while both Shanks and Gaban couldn't lmao

[golden valley]

With ur own logic, Akainu will find the OP bro

[golden valley]

How haven’t you comprehended this yet

[ruby cape]

Everyone here is involved one way or another

[muted hedge]

Eris probably told Teech everything about the Davy clans lineage, which made him do anything in order to reach that goal, which has been inprinted on him

[ruby moat]

Coby mentioned 🐐

[graceful belfry]

I think that core aspect of his character definitely takes away from the amount of potential sympathy we’ll have for the guy, yes. Still, you can’t help but feel like his lot in life was ruined. Unless you’re someone who believes that certain characters in the story are predestined to follow a specific path

[pulsar timber]

It is possible he wants revenge but I don’t think it’s a doffy situation where he thinks and seethes about them all the time. Just wants a lick back but is fine waiting to get it

[hasty sable]

I think that for Xebec wanting to be King of the World was his reason to fight empire. And for Teach fighting empire is just how he becomes King of the World. Xebec stood for something more than sitting a throne.

[strong junco]

Does it mean they are looking for it

[brittle basin]

This is my current throught process.

[steel stirrup]

I think Eris told him what plan he should follow but hes definitely doing it his own way

[hasty sable]

Blackbeard just wants his birthright

[steel stirrup]

YESSSIRRRR

[golden valley]

@strong junco Akainu will find the OP, Luffy wont be king of the pirates. Congrats, ur reading ability makes Akainu thr true MC

[brittle basin]

Has Garling shown interest in it?

[ruby moat]

Who y’all got in a fight.
EOS Coby (Coby 4 weeks from now in verse time)
Vs
Loki

[knotty pilot]

shanks barely tried tbh

[golden valley]

Loki beats his ass

[brittle basin]

koby

[cunning narwhal]

eos koby

[proud pivot]

loki one shots him

[pulsar timber]

Yeah his life was ruined from the jump. Pretty much everyone has in one piece. And these backstories aren’t just tragic for the sake of it, it’s the direct doing of imu. He created this system and world and his system and world is creating these people. It’s pretty cool

[sage temple]

cope

[spice cairn]

I think being a D really ties things together.

[muted hedge]

Koby probably

[steel stirrup]

The true King of the World is coming for his throne and I believe he'll get it even if only for a chapter or two

[sage temple]

😂

[strong junco]

I think eevreyones should know Buggy, Blackbeard and Luffy all of them Will be the pk at least for some minutes

[brittle basin]

Haral D. and I D. A

[proud pivot]

loki vs coby is like a lion vs a bunny

[urban lodge]

Buggy W

[knotty pilot]

nope

[golden valley]

But Akainu will find the OP

[steel stirrup]

Nah Blackbeard

[golden valley]

Just say it bro

[ruby moat]

3 for Coby 2 for Loki
Coby wins

[muted hedge]

i don't think it's wise to sleep on Koby, knowing that he is the new Garp essentialy

[golden valley]

Just say Akainu will find the op

[strong junco]

He doesnt want to, its not his goal

[sage temple]

Okay well lmk when Shanks kills a regen user ok

[brittle basin]

https://tenor.com/view/are-you-sure-about-that-gif-17735709754501735355

[muted hedge]

even though Koby might look less impressive now

[cunning narwhal]

loki wont grow much unless theres a timeskip, meanwhile koby gotta grow to be a challenge for luffy in like a couple months

[sage temple]

😂

[golden valley]

It is their goal

[spice cairn]

Kuzan and BB are the only characters I want to see significant focus on during the end game

[knotty pilot]

u think shanks can't???

lol

[pulsar timber]

Loki doesn’t need to grow much he’s already emperor level

[ruby cape]

The panel showed Marine HQ it’s safe to assume the Marines are on the run for it lol

[graceful belfry]

Blackbeard has the best dynamics with other characters. Imu included. Gotta love it

[strong junco]

Akainu's goal is to extenguish the pirates

[steel stirrup]

Buggy can have the King of the World title after EoS when Luffy defeats BB, by that point the title means nothing and it'll be fine

[golden valley]

And now claim the OP to win the war

[sage temple]

If the Roger Pirates could kill a regen user they likely would've already

[ruby cape]

Nah not verbally but as a big part of the WG I’m not surprised if he was

[sage temple]

But they didn't

So they likely can't lmao

[muted hedge]

Buggy will definitely sit on the empty throne just as a gag, lol

[strong junco]

"Assume"

[ruby cape]

Oh brother

[knotty pilot]

they didn't kill HK that were already shown like Sommers

[steel stirrup]

Yep it'll be meaningless but it'll happen

[strong junco]

Youre just making conclusions

[golden valley]

We have a literal statement of marines saying they need to find it

What are you talking about

[muted hedge]

it would be funny if the world sees it and starts to hail Buggy as their new king
though in reality he has no authotirity what so ever

[strong junco]

Then show it and stop talking with nonsense

[golden valley]

It was posted above

[knotty pilot]

HK to roger pirates are nothing

[steel stirrup]

Bro would run from the responsibility before we ever got that far

[sage temple]

So they couldn't even kill Sommers? LMAOO

[strong junco]

Oh god, you mean that marineford panel?

[ruby cape]

Do you need a literal statement of Akainu going I want the one piece or something

[muted hedge]

i mean, it would sort of reflect his current situation

[prisma yacht]

https://x.com/i/status/2006217337087615193

GAMES🐯 (@em3we2)

🍙 84
Personally, I'm not a fan of New Years because I have pets and they *despise* fireworks

X · Dec 31, 2025, 4:14 AM

[ruby cape]

Marine HQ said WE MUST FIND IT

[pulsar timber]

Yeah. And not to get all final villain debate or anything (please) but this is a major reason why I believe imu is gonna be the last guy with Luffy and whoever jumping him. He is literally just the root of this world’s suffering. His systems and people. So much suffering for good guys and bad guys. He’s the one who’s gonna need to be punched to do away with it

[ruby cape]

That’s literally enough

[knotty pilot]

sommers is a coward ofc he would retreat lol

[strong junco]

Those were the buggy crew not marines

[prisma yacht]

Bepo is so cute

[ruby cape]

Bro

[golden valley]

HUUUUUH

[ruby cape]

It says marine HQ

[brittle basin]

He could go for it; I'm hoping the focus is just BB, Luffy, Shanks, and Buggy, however.

[sage temple]

Not that hard to kill one, Loki could lol

[strong junco]

U just cut the image bro

[ruby moat]

https://tenor.com/view/dumb-stupid-brainlet-wojak-meme-gif-17170021

[steel stirrup]

The reverse of Imu

[ruby cape]

I sent the whole scan what are you on about

[golden valley]

I didn’t know Marine HQ was the buggy pirates

[knotty pilot]

bro thinks that loki is above the roger pirates

[sage temple]

Looks like Loki can do what they can't lu you'll have to deal with it

[strong junco]

What was i expecting, having a debate with a shanks fan...

[sage temple]

Not really

[muted hedge]

i mean the current situation where Buggy is hailed as an emperor when Crocodile and Mihawk are the true emperors

[brittle basin]

Dang, what? Fuck, I actually don't remember this panel. I actually forgot the Marines literally said this.

[ruby moat]

🥱

[pulsar timber]

Yall still talking about the roger vs holy knights thing? Lol

[strong junco]

It was not u sorry

[muted hedge]

Buggy would just be the public face outwards and not a real king, lol

[fluid cedar]

Getting the one piece means knowing the truth of the world and imu won’t like that so yes by extension garling is technically going for it

[runic dock]

Killing himself was getting off too easy true

[knotty pilot]

harald let loki kill him

[golden valley]

Akainu fans vs Koby fans

I wonder which one is smarter

Based on this interaction

[strong junco]

Youre not

[golden valley]

Its the latter

[sage temple]

Anyways it's basically concluded. Loki at 16 could do what the RGP can't

[steel stirrup]

Yea i know im saying that would be a reverse of the Imu situation

People think the 5 Elders are the highest authority but its Imu

The reverse would be People thinking Buggy is the highest authority but its actually his equivalent of the 5 Elders or whatever

[pine scaffold]

I think the powerscaling EOS is gonna be nuts

I could totally see EOS Koby being stronger than even prime Garp

Im not even a Koby fan

[knotty pilot]

loki is strong but harald was the reason he defeated him

[muted hedge]

oh yeah, right

[sage temple]

Okay! Loki still killed Harald

[golden valley]

You just said marine hq is buggy pirates

[pulsar timber]

The roger pirates are capable of killing them.

[strong junco]

Are u blind?

[pulsar timber]

They were doing the equivalent of swatting a fly

[sage temple]

Yet Loki is the one who broke the Imu control

When Shanks and Gaban couldn't

[knotty pilot]

i mean garling also killed rocks by that logic

[sage temple]

Lol

[pulsar timber]

No reason to believe gol d roger can’t kill a holy knight but loki can

[ruby moat]

Ngl after this last chapter I wouldn’t be surprised if power levels going forward were just insane

[brittle basin]

I get it, but despite the page talking about who gets it first, I need to see Garling going for it. I would think his time would be taken up being a Gorosei and keeping an eye on York. Granted, Imu can order Gorosei to go to Laugh Tale if they so desire.

[steel stirrup]

I HOPE Koby is stronger than Garp EoS

[pine scaffold]

I think Oda realised he made the villains a little bit too OP, so now he's doing work to balance things out a bit

making stronger characters, etc.

[spice cairn]

Theyre going to pull all the military focus on keeping it away from pirates

Especially if its something huge

[prisma yacht]

He will be

[runic dock]

Roger doesn’t have the special fruit needed , clearly it was the combo pf haki plus fruit that killed him , not just one or the other

[deep chasm]

he'll probably just move the goalpost to "well roger cant kill a HK with ACoC"

[golden valley]

Loki will be in the top 5 strongest oat

[sage temple]

Not really, Rocks was already close to death after being taken out of the Imu Domi Reversi buff. Harald here was near 100% against Loki including an Imu buff and regeneration powers

[spice cairn]

Garling will definitely babysit York though

[brittle basin]

They will. We're already getting soft confirmation that Sanji needs conq bare minimum along with Zoro to take on the God's Knights. We have the insanely powerful Seraphim who only get stronger as they get older.

[pulsar timber]

Chill

[strong junco]

He should surpass Akainu not Garp

[sage temple]

They don't want this to happen at alll lmfao

[urban lodge]

He'll surpass both

[steel stirrup]

No

[golden valley]

No thats a cook

[sage temple]

Loki is dethroning golden boy Shanks

[steel stirrup]

Why not both

[ruby moat]

True I forgot about the seraphim we’re gonna have another mihawk eventually

[graceful belfry]

Good storytelling would say that’s going to be the case

[runic dock]

If he surpasses akainu he automatically surpasses garp

[strong junco]

Akainu is stronger than Garp

[steel stirrup]

Exactly

[knotty pilot]

loki had the legendary fruit and it helped him tho

[steel stirrup]

LMAOOOO Nah

[deep chasm]

Socrates the consistent attacks slows their regen. Even if his body looks fully in tact, the idea is his regen is slowing down. We also see though that his body was npt fully in tact when loki showed back up

[spice cairn]

Wait the Zodiac next year is the year of the horse

[strong junco]

Thats what im saying

[spice cairn]

Oda you motherfucker

[prisma yacht]

Eos koby is destroying akainu

[sage temple]

Yeah no shit his weapon helped him win a fight

[hasty sable]

Year of the honse

[pulsar timber]

I don’t think the fruit will be the only way to kill them or else no one would be able to killl them but Loki

[sage temple]

[urban lodge]

Year of umamusume

[brittle basin]

Now, granted, we may not see the Seraphim fully grown. I'm worried about their true power unleashed because I could swear on Egghead that VP or someone else mentiond they would more or less be the strongest beings on the sea if fully grown.

[knotty pilot]

exactly, shanks and gaban still helped

[ruby moat]

Akainu is just a placeholder in between garp and Kobys reigns as strongest marine

[spice cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/horse-spinning-spin-water-hose-gif-12360101317814386181

[steel stirrup]

This is the dumbest shit I've read today

[hasty sable]

https://tenor.com/view/horse-humble-nefarious-horse-reaction-yes-gif-9282847705724326063

[pulsar timber]

I think Loki just overpowered a harald that was literally trying to die and keep himself from losing his will again

[ruby cape]

https://tenor.com/view/pfft-trying-not-to-laugh-laughing-holding-laugh-covering-laugh-gif-10899551814881068905

[knotty pilot]

u saying that shanks and gaban couldn't, i mean they dont have the legendary df

[sage temple]

There are plenty of ways to interpret this. It could slow their regen as a whole or it could slow their regeneration in response to that specific attack

[strong junco]

Omg please tell me u dont think garp is steonger than akainu...

[runic dock]

Well also, rocks said he needed two fruit, one of them being the elbaf fruit , the “other” way can just be whatever the other fruit is

[urban lodge]

It's scary how many people fall for that fake reddit post that Akainu is the strongest marine in history

[ruby moat]

Yea it’ll be interesting to see the rate at which they grow. Like if they’re young adults the next time we see them then they could be trouble

[pulsar timber]

https://tenor.com/view/michaeljordan-mj-basketball-gif-michael-jordan-no-no-no-no-gif-16220345851539903827

[spice cairn]

Imagine Imagine fruit

[ruby moat]

Mfs will swear by their lives it’s real it’s so stupid

[spice cairn]

[runic dock]

lol , probably just nika

[steel stirrup]

Im not about to debate with you bruh

[prisma yacht]

https://x.com/i/status/2006380106454118781

ぽにお Ponio (@nyaponi)

2026年あけましておめでとう！
今年もよろしくね

X · Dec 31, 2025, 3:01 PM

[steel stirrup]

Just stop

[brittle basin]

Evil Oda: Has fully grown S-Hawk kill Mihawk before Zoro.

[spice cairn]

Yami

[deep chasm]

And one is a lot more reasonable than the other. They wouldnt be mentioning that his regen is having trouble keeping up if the idea was just for one attack. That would be pointless.

And again, we also see he has spears inside of him and is bloodied by the time loki arrives

[ruby cape]

Glazing Akainu cause it’s funny to hop on the bandwagon vs total seriousness he’s the strongest marine

[strong junco]

Okay Shanks fan detectad automatically lost, whos next?

[runic dock]

Equally possibly imo yeah

[spice cairn]

But its definitely Nika

[ruby moat]

Prime garp is a good amount stronger than Akainu. Old garp and Akainu are close in strength.

[prisma yacht]

😆omg luffy

[strong junco]

Tell me how is Garp steonger than Akainu?

[sage temple]

Okay well sucks to be them ig lmao

[spice cairn]

Nika is just "that" symbolic fruit of freedom

And Rocks is a freedom guy

[runic dock]

Yeah

[knotty pilot]

not really, shanks>loki

[steel stirrup]

Read the story and it'll all be explained

[pulsar timber]

He needed a fruit to become king of the world, not deal with these holy knights specifically. I think the fruit is helpful yeah but not the explanation why Loki killed one and roger didn’t. I doubt they were tryin to kill them. Most likely treated them as annoying flies. One shot then sail away

[brittle basin]

Crazy Rocks claims he didn't know about Nika to Loki.

[gloomy tree]

no we wont have an Akainu stan discussion now pls, Akainu is a very strong, but so is Garp and Shanks and others

[sage temple]

They would be mentioning his regen is having trouble for keeping up with multiple ACoC attacks

Lmao

[deep chasm]

this is harald right before loki shows up, he's not 100%, nor would I call this "close to 100%" and thats just if you want to go strictly off what the visuals show us. Again its implied that over time your regen slows

[spice cairn]

Gaslighting

[strong junco]

I think your the one that shouldnt guide his thoughs by tiktok

[runic dock]

To become the king of the world you need to deal with holy knights , it’s kind of all part of the process

[pulsar timber]

Garp is portrayed as an equal to the strongest pirate of the modern era. Akainu is just an admiral

[steel stirrup]

Projecting much?

[brittle basin]

Damn. We're gonna have to count this against Rocks /s
-Hit him
-Stabbed him
-Gaslit him

[deep chasm]

Which wouldnt matter if after each attack, once he regens, he's back to 100% and they have to restart that process for each attack. The whole point is you attack him a lot, and he'll regen, but his regen will get slower and slower to the point he can be killed

[pulsar timber]

It is but that does not mean that specific fruit(s) are the only mean of killing these holy knights

[strong junco]

That was just a mirror of your life

[golden valley]

Hmm yeah good point

[sage temple]

I would call that close to 100% considering how the blades in him aren't a matter to him enough to remove lmao

[spice cairn]

Girl bossed him with God Valley drama

[steel stirrup]

Right right

Anyways

[strong junco]

Fleet admiral* Roger? Roger who was weaker than wb, wb who got Toyed by Akainu?

[spice cairn]

This is bait.

[steel stirrup]

Definitely

[strong junco]

Xebec fan detected automatically lost, whos next

[knotty pilot]

sick WB btw

[runic dock]

I get the implication that’s exactly the case tho , two fruits needed to deal with immortality in specific , a nebulous ability that encompasses all of those including imu himself , an from what we have seen CoC just slows things down , even against rocks , CoC didn’t fully kill him

[pulsar timber]

I’m not falling for this

[steel stirrup]

This nigga corny

[ruby cape]

They baiting don’t waste your time

[brittle basin]

well yeah due. i'm thinking a ban might be necessary.

[strong junco]

Still could use his df and haki

[deep chasm]

Or because theres enough going on for him to not have time to just rip them out? The author puts that in to show you progress is being made. I feel like you need to realize you can still praise loki without being unreasonable in other aspects. Nothing Im saying takes away from the fact Loki was the main piece necessary to kill harald and its an amazing feat, but you add unreasonable points to this

[royal orchid]

W 2019 bait can't lie

[gloomy tree]

i see you are someone who when adding up 1+1 they get apple or like 67

[spice cairn]

I think he needed these fruits to overwhelm them alongside the Haki tbh

[strong junco]

Then dont waste my time

[knotty pilot]

not prime WB

[cold steppe]

Akainu
Kizaru, Garp, Sengoku
Kuzan, Fujitora
Greenbull
Only correct tiers

[golden valley]

I think Roger Pirates can just slow down the regeneration and put them towards the point their regeneration just stops being effective, ultimately killing them with their ACoC. It probably took time hence why they never really went full focus

[strong junco]

Got no diffed

[brittle basin]

can we just ban them? this stuff just gets exhausting and derailing fast.

[runic dock]

Probably , it might be the case that both are needed in tandem and haki alone can’t fully seal the deal

[steel stirrup]

Bro is literally messing the actual conversation we had going up

[runic dock]

Which is what loki shows

[deep chasm]

exactly

[sage temple]

Yeah, once he regens. But ACoC attacks would have slower regen response in this scenario. So if you keep bombarding him with ACoC attacks his regeneration would need to be spread over a large area while regenerating extremely slowly. This is basically what it means to have slower regen in response to individual ACoC attacks which isn't really unreasonable at all lmao

[strong junco]

I see you are somome who needs their parents

[gloomy tree]

there was a time that discussion started like every 20 minutes in manga and we just let it happen so i guess

[spice cairn]

I think Nika specifically is just very good with Haki enough to be the key

As generic as it sounds

[knotty pilot]

[steel stirrup]

Bro has no awareness

[runic dock]

What a coincidence!

[spice cairn]

The attack power it has is just too good and I think Rocks mightve caught on with it if hes a bit if a savvy historian

[royal orchid]

nah ain't no way I just saw that name

[knotty pilot]

happy new year y'all

[steel stirrup]

Happy New Years

[strong junco]

Wow you are dumb you cant even debate smth, you need mods to ban me. Well done, next step: Read the manga

[sage temple]

I think the Roger Pirates can just slow down the regen and make them feel a lot of pain to the point where the HKs just retreat. But they don't show proficiency at all in actually killing a regeneration user so far

[muted hedge]

happy new years

[runic dock]

Happy Christmas , Harry!

[proud pivot]

"toyed"

[strong junco]

Happy new year

[steel stirrup]

Can we at least mute him for the unnecessary insults

[pulsar timber]

We don’t even know if harald died from this specific attack. He could still be alive after this. But I do not think these two fruits will be the only way to kill them. And we have seen that coc can still take them out, they are not truly dead. Oda won’t be drawing death that frequent anyways, and Loki isn’t getting a scene chopping off every holy knights head

[sage temple]

Interesting how you're happy to assume for this situation but not situations that would put Loki in a better light lmao

[brittle basin]

HAPPY BIRTHDAY ODA

[strong junco]

Nose bleed

[royal orchid]

happy new years UTC+5+

[knotty pilot]

hope y'all have a great year

[proud pivot]

LOL

alr

[deep chasm]

Youre not getting it. What youre saying acts as if in a scenario where I cut haralds leg off with acoc, and he regens it, that now his body is at 100%, and his regen is at 100%. Thats not how it works and if it were, scopper statement wouldve been stupid. Whats happening is if cut him with acoc, he can regenerate to where hsi body looks 100%, but his regen is gonna be idk 90% now. Keep doing it over and over and over, he can rgen to 100% in his visual body, but now maybe his rgen is only working 20% as effective

[ashen perch]

Happy New Years folks, we have entered a very special year this year, the year of Usopp! Hope y'all have a great year.

[steel stirrup]

You too

[runic dock]

Nah every holy knight dies

[deep chasm]

until you get to the point where you can just kill him

[steel stirrup]

Bro rebranded

[royal orchid]

usopp is a horse?

[muted hedge]

sick pfp

[graceful belfry]

I didn’t recognize Arsal at first

[ashen perch]

ty

[deep chasm]

it would be ppointless if once he regenerates the wound, hes actually in perfect shape again

[spice cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/horse-tiny-horse-small-my-little-pony-jogo-gif-1795897983790230282

[strong junco]

Bro he litterally said i should get banned, you know who would say smth like that right?

[ruby moat]

Holy based

[steel stirrup]

Where you find that pfp

[runic dock]

Finally we are back to being on the same wavelength

[urban lodge]

Uncanny role color

[knotty pilot]

u too. usopp will come in clutch this year

[runic dock]

God Usopp soon

[cunning narwhal]

they arent ready for usopp's moment

[ashen perch]

Twitter, the account name is kinda gibberish so I will have to look it up

[steel stirrup]

Someone who is sick of being unnecessarily insulted by some random online

[royal orchid]

average japanese artist handle

https://tenor.com/view/what-do-they-mean-random-numbers-gif-10654449

[sage temple]

You're not getting it. Yeah, if you cut Harald's leg off without ACoC or anything he can regenerate to 100%. This would work and it does make sense with Gaban's statement lmao

[prisma yacht]

Nice pfp nice nickname Arsal

[blazing depot]

And when we win don’t forget that they have mocked and slandered Usopp for years. They will start praising him and switch up

[prisma yacht]

🔥🔥🗣️

[runic dock]

When your Twitter handle is an entire short story

[strong junco]

Bro "We should ban him cuz i dont agree with him" thats something Hitler would do...

[knotty pilot]

we will be there no matter what

[deep chasm]

I feel like you actually just didnt read the message or think about what I said

[golden valley]

The regeneration is declining, so I don’t believe this

[gloomy tree]

thats not what he said at all

[steel stirrup]

Say what now?

[fluid cedar]

just for elbaph to be focused on brook

[steel stirrup]

Bro tryna scream victim

Ion wanna hear ts

[strong junco]

"Yeah why dont mods ban him"

[ruby moat]

This is a discord server

Chill out lil pumpernickel

[spice cairn]

Bro called him pumpernickel

[strong junco]

Didnt know, thanks

[gloomy tree]

he said "maybe you should ban him because these discussion just tend to derail the channel"

[deep chasm]

@sage temple they would not be saying this if it worked how you think it works. They visibly see him regen back to 100% visually each time they wound him. If it worked how you thought it worked, theyd effectively be making 0 progress whatsoever. The only way this statement makes sense is if he can rgene to 100%, but still have his regeneration abilities slowing down

[prisma yacht]

😆great start to 2026

[steel stirrup]

Corny ass dude

[final trench]

Welp, niggas who joined in 2025 are already the worst, cant imagine what characters 2026 will bring

[strong junco]

Is that my fault? That people dont even think a bit

[royal orchid]

went to look on twitter for fanart and saw peak holy shit I'm not even gonna post it here I'm gatekeeping

[strong junco]

Thanks, next time i'll ask

[prisma yacht]

more anime watchers

[fluid cedar]

You joined in 2024 thats the same thing

[steel stirrup]

Bro talking like an anime villain now

[final trench]

https://tenor.com/view/homelander-nuh-uh-no-thanks-no-the-boys-gif-14330691688817719732

[sage temple]

The regeneration can't keep up with them once they start speeding up attacks. This is because they're still regenerating from previous attacks that take ACoC and still need to divide attention from those attacks to other even faster ACoC attacks. This scenario is not impossible or illogical at all

[gloomy tree]

see the thing is, there is no discussion everything anyone brings up you just say "no you are wrong" and we get nowhere

[brittle basin]

no. it's because they're clearly trolling. i have a very low tolerance for that kind of annoyingness. and if they're not a troll, they're just a jackass incapable of nuance and non-hyperbole. and that is equally as annoying.

[strong junco]

??

[knotty pilot]

[deep chasm]

except youre literally arguing harald consistently would regenerate back to his 100% form. If so, they are effectively making 0 progress

[strong junco]

I prove why are their wrong, while they just way i should get banned

[gloomy tree]

Akainu hasnt had any feats in like 10 years, he is strong nobody is denying that, but beyond that its hard to compare him

[steel stirrup]

You have a very inflated sense of superiority for someone in a discord server in the middle of the day

[deep chasm]

and if that were the case, scopper should not be acting like theyre making progress

[gloomy tree]

and until you get over that, you arent really a good presence

[ruby moat]

I agree with queen buffy.

[golden valley]

Can you explain to me how this even addresses what I said

[strong junco]

I just answer the people who is answering me

[steel stirrup]

No you immediately insult people who dont agree with you which shows that you let ego rule over reason

[gloomy tree]

your comparissons of characters just dont often work, like comparing Prime Wb vs Roger to Akainu vs old sick Wb

[strong junco]

I was so chill talking with some people until they started

[gloomy tree]

and its the same thing every time

[sage temple]

You said the regeneration is declining is basically the reason you don't believe that. I just showed you that them saying the regeneration declining doesn't go against what I said at all

[ruby moat]

Sigh… Akainu fans…

[strong junco]

I just called dumb to somone who couldnt even understand wht i was writing

[gloomy tree]

no u werent at all, you immediatly started confronting someone because you believe they thing Garp is stronger than Akainu

[steel stirrup]

No you were being ignored so you started spamming the same question over and over

[deep chasm]

how is the regeneration declining if by your own words Harald is regenerating back to 100% or near that at the very least

[final trench]

I KNOW you ready for dat akainu koby teamup

[strong junco]

It makes sense once you realise if u no diff somone who is old, you could high diff his prime version

[steel stirrup]

Not realizing that people didnt want to derail their conversations just to entertain you

[final trench]

They bouta fight the strawhats

[gloomy tree]

you were literally the reason this discussion started int he first place

[ruby moat]

Oh brother

[final trench]

Aye man

[strong junco]

False i said "Please tell me you dont think Garp is stronger than Akainu"

[gloomy tree]

see here is the problem, there was no no diffing at all

[prisma yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/bleach-homer-bleach-on-eyes-hurt-self-gif-12354183

[ruby moat]

Coby never teaming up with that baby back bitch

[gloomy tree]

and you went on about it

[final trench]

Akainu is the only other marine with the power and mentality to stop luffy from achieving his dreams 👀

[steel stirrup]

You came in here with main character syndrome and now you're claiming victim because everyone is sick of your shit

[final trench]

Well damn

[spice cairn]

This was intentionally bait from the start lmao.

Thats why you should disengage

Theres no point.

[sage temple]

I'm arguing that Harald would consistently regenerate back to his 100% form slowly. And they realize what they're doing is ineffective so they just stop it altogether

And let Loki handle it

[strong junco]

Akainu double donut and erased half of his head, + he just got some nos bleed from an attack that destroyed half of marineford and after rhat could battle the commanders

[steel stirrup]

He wanted attention and now he got it and is crying because its not the attention he craved

[ruby moat]

Akainu lost the fight against old wb and u were tryna compare him to prime garp

[strong junco]

Nope, i just said "Shanks fan, automstically lost, shos next" i said rhat to somone who was laughing

[steel stirrup]

Which is crazy

[deep chasm]

You literally are ignoring what ive said. Them saying loki is their best bet doesnt change my point. Loki is their best bet because this is a strong opponent and they alone cannot do it. It doesnt change that they literally say theyre making progress despite seeing Harald consistently regenerate back to his 100% form. If it works the way you think it works, they were never making any progress at all

[final trench]

Holup he kinda spitting

[strong junco]

Learn to read

[steel stirrup]

See?

[gloomy tree]

sure dude

[steel stirrup]

You just reply with insults instead of actually havinf a conversation

[strong junco]

I can see why Bonney is ur fav character

[steel stirrup]

Perfect example

[golden valley]

The regeneration is declining, it can regenerate from ACoC attacks if it’s not being sustained, but keep adding more and the regeneration should reduce and reduce until the immortal essentially cannot keep up and regenerate, effectively stopping the regeneration. Unless you think the regeneration reaches a limit to where it can be reduced to via Haki, I don’t see how your argument works

[steel stirrup]

The problem is you

[ruby moat]

🪞

[prisma yacht]

☝️

[sage temple]

Harald would slowly regenerate back to his 100% form not instantly. So as he regenerates back to 100% slower it's obvious that it's not able to keep up. I'm just not ignoring anything

[knotty pilot]

we don't agree with ur opinion. u can disagree with us but no need to insult anyone

[spice cairn]

Yeah I think the general idea is that you need to keep up with the regen with the Acoc/coc

[strong junco]

Okay you have the truth, and im wrong. why? Because you say so

[spice cairn]

Enough to where you can sever it.

[strong junco]

Did i insult him?

[knotty pilot]

goated tho

[strong junco]

Maybe

[steel stirrup]

No you're wrong because Akainu lost to a 70 year old cancer ridden WB so how could he beat a Prime Garp?

[proud pivot]

she's a good character she aint goated...

[prisma yacht]

funny how this is coming from you

[strong junco]

"Lost" cant you see we are on manga Chanel? Get out of here and go to anime

[ruby moat]

Prime garp curbstomps Akainu

[steel stirrup]

He lost

[knotty pilot]

both

[strong junco]

Source: Yes

[deep chasm]

It doesnt matte rif its slow or instant. Your logic is that once he regenerates to 100%, hes good, and his regeneration is now back to its max efficiency. If thats how it works, whenever harald gets back to 100% visually, hes back to 100% in general.

WHAT IM SAYING, is that he can regenerate to where he visually appears to be 100%, but due to the acoc attacks prior, his regeneration is now less efficient. If you dont believe it works that way, then you must think shanks and scopper made 0 progress

[ruby moat]

Glad you agree

[strong junco]

How did he lost?

[gloomy tree]

he lost yeah

[cold steppe]

He did lose tho. What ?

[proud pivot]

they lost to each other. Akainu was buried in the earth and whitebeard lost his head

[ruby moat]

He lost

[steel stirrup]

He got his ass whooped

He lost

[sage temple]

That is not the case. Gaban said you could just make it go slower and slower until you drive them into a corner. Not stopping their regen altogether

[ruby moat]

Akainu was out and wb was up. Akainu lost

[strong junco]

How can you come to that conclusion

[urban lodge]

Whoa been a while since I've last seen this topic

[knotty pilot]

arguing and disagreeing with people doesn't mean i don't respect their opinion

[steel stirrup]

You realize without his DF he would've fell to the middle of the earth

[deep chasm]

which he wouldnt be saying if once they regenerate to 100% they have their max efficiency. Because harald was doing that and hes still saying teyre making progress

[urban lodge]

It used to happen every day

[steel stirrup]

He lost

[strong junco]

Wb couldnt handle akainu so made a hole underground and put him there

[steel stirrup]

So you agree he lost

[proud pivot]

fair enough its one thing to say that akainu lost and its another to say 'he got his ass whooped' by a guy who lost half his head

[prisma yacht]

I remember you and kratos calling me stupid for it

[strong junco]

Has 2 advanced haki and if u think he doesnt has conquerors ure delusional

[fluid cedar]

Akainu was so kind he let himself lose to cancerbeard as his make a wish gift

[gloomy tree]

so you agree with us he lost

glad we came to that conclusion, lets move on

[ruby moat]

So you agree he lost

[strong junco]

Nope after that wb died and akainu went to fight to the commanders

[ruby moat]

U can use ur make a wish thing to cope but u agreed he lost

[sage temple]

"once he regenerates to 100%, hes good" but this takes time to do and the more they attack him the slower he would be able to respond to it all since the regen is being divided all over the place. Meaning Shanks and Gaban did make progress but Loki was more efficient

[knotty pilot]

i never called u stupid? i literally thanked u for ur time talking about WB character in GV

[steel stirrup]

See? I never said shit about Conq haki

You clearly have an agenda and have no intentions of having an actual conversation.

Im gonna ignore you now

[fluid cedar]

wrong person im not the guy glazing akainu

[strong junco]

Nonsense

[prisma yacht]

[knotty pilot]

i literally said i wasn't mad at you

[golden valley]

https://temp.compsci88.com/manga/One-Piece/1170-007.png

[knotty pilot]

cmon

[steel stirrup]

Have I said Happy New Years to you yet

[strong junco]

Did i say you said he doesnt has it? No

[ruby moat]

Dsmn y’all look the exact same

[iron oriole]

Akainu glazer in chat?

[ruby moat]

I’m not sure but happy new years to you as well

[spice cairn]

I think Socrates is simply trying to convey that Loki would make the most progress all things considered

[unique lagoon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/193278651020738561/1453998099885326400/brainless2.gif

[steel stirrup]

You too

[iron oriole]

People care about this glorified delivery boy?

[golden valley]

I don’t see how this only means “you’ll drive them away”

[gloomy tree]

yeah

[hearty shore]

EOS akainu will be chained with kairouseki and given a job at krispy kreme donuts

[ruby moat]

Future sabo victim 😴

[steel stirrup]

Happy New Years Kie

May the Tama Agenda bloom in 2026

[knotty pilot]

akainu has drip tho

[prisma yacht]

Yeah well I was just playing

[iron oriole]

You too Rich

[steel stirrup]

True I can't deny that

[brittle basin]

the actual, real converstation concerning these two can happen, but rarely does. They are both clearly extremely powerful with broken devil fruits. but multiple things have to be taken into account.
-Haki was not fully solidified at the time
-WB was stabbed and sick and was fighting more than just Akainu
-Was WB even capable of going all out and did the fight even last long enough for both to showcase what they're fully capable of?
The fighting was awesome to see and both fighters did a great job.

[unique lagoon]

akainu would have drip if he removes that coat

[deep chasm]

Brother you keep saying your own point instead of acknowledging what Im proposing to you. Your logic is once he reaches 100% he will have his peak regeneration efficiency back. If that were the case, then scopper and shanks never made any progress, because no matter how slow they got his regen to be at any point, if he regenerated back to 100%, they would have effectively lost all of their progress. So they would be stupid to act as if they were making progress..

What Im telling you is he can regen to 100%, but his regeneration capabilities still be slowing down. So Harald can look great, but next time you hit him, he'll regenerate even slower thsan the last time

[strong junco]

Glad to see everyone who was talking with me ended up escaping

[steel stirrup]

The Hawaiin shirts are pretty drippy ngl

[knotty pilot]

sry. is everyhing between us well? sry if i said something that offended you

[proud pivot]

exactly. akainu was worse off at the end of their battle but there was absolutely no 'getting ass whooped' on either side. It was mutual destruction

[unique lagoon]

shame he hid it under 2 layers of clothing

[steel stirrup]

😭😭so wholesome

[brittle basin]

One thing to be taken from the fight is that both DFs are frightening: the ability to sink locales and the ability to melt you down to the bone.

[steel stirrup]

And then the bones melt

[knotty pilot]

even if i disagree with someone doesn't mean i don't respect them. i try my best

[steel stirrup]

Lmaoo

[sage temple]

If they let up, they lose their progress. Gaban was just pushing him into a corner but knew that wasn't effective since it wouldn't kill him, which is what Loki did

[golden valley]

Oh no, he’s dedicated in making this about Loki and him being better than the Roger Pirates, even though no one is really taking it this deep

[steel stirrup]

You're a good person

[iron oriole]

Go fetch more lobster for the CD like a good doggy

[final trench]

Blue flame sabo will put hands on that boy

[unique lagoon]

if shanks captured loki with trickery
does that mean loki was too stoopid to get tricked?

[final trench]

https://tenor.com/view/canaryprincess-canary-princess-beapercolator-lucious-lyon-empire-gif-14625071728581604196

[runic dock]

If it weren’t for all these DAMN pirates hed be sipping mojitos on the beach , but as long as one pirate exists he cannot go to that sweet dawn

[spice cairn]

Thats just Socrates for you

[prisma yacht]

https://x.com/i/status/2006366112586609113
thank you for ur hard work this year

𝕒𝕤𝕒𝕟𝕠 (@osushi002)

X · Dec 31, 2025, 2:05 PM

[spice cairn]

But I think he means well

[knotty pilot]

u too

[golden valley]

Where does Gaban imply it wouldn’t kill them

[prisma yacht]

So cute

[unique lagoon]

kinda ironic guy named loki gets captured with trickery

[steel stirrup]

😭😭how have i never seen this lmaoooo this is great

[deep chasm]

So they never made progress right? Because as much as theyd have liked to, each time he regenerates they are starting back over from the beginning. Rather than the idea that they slowed down his regeneration a bit for loki

[fossil nimbus]

Akainu is sacrificing his peace for the good of the innocent civilians

[sage temple]

Here?

[runic dock]

Loki Lowkey got loki’d

[unique lagoon]

[deep chasm]

what does driving into a corner mean here. Why would it be relevant if they couldnt kill him

[iron oriole]

Tbf pushing them into a corner implies that if you kept going even further you'd ultimately defeat them

[golden valley]

Being driven in a corner that can result in their defeat or death…

[brittle basin]

it's been a long time since i last posted it

[knotty pilot]

can we talk about other marines like fujitora instead of akainu

[steel stirrup]

I wish I had seen this 2 years ago lmao

[golden valley]

Socrates, driven into a corner doesn’t have one meaning

[ruby moat]

https://media4.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExc3o5Z3RranVvMnQyNnQzc2gzYWtvZG11MXpid3lsY245ZjJuZG9vMCZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/8n0niPRCOoDt0omABf/giphy.gif

[steel stirrup]

My Marine Goat

Him and Koby are great

[sage temple]

"each time he regenerates" As they attack him more and more it gets slower and slower for him to regenerate back to 100. So they aren't starting from the beginning mid fight, they're just not actually killing him and making it slower for him to get to 100% as they stall for Loki

[fossil nimbus]

we can talk about kizaru or kuzan

[proud pivot]

Happy new year to everyone

[deep chasm]

socrates sees driven into a corner relating to a possessed immortal and thinks it just means making him play nice

[runic dock]

This argument got Socrates driven into a corner

[knotty pilot]

fr. corazon was goated too

[steel stirrup]

Nika rest his soul

[knotty pilot]

hell yeah

[deep chasm]

....so youre saying that even if his body hits 100% visually, his regen efficiency has still lowered?

[knotty pilot]

fr

[urban lodge]

All of Sword are goats. Except Drake. But I have faith he'll cook in the future

[proud pivot]

too late

[iron oriole]

He's saying the opposite

[brittle basin]

Socrates, if you ever play the stock market, I want you to diversify your assets, don't just put everything on one company.

[sage temple]

Driving into a corner could just mean that you can't find a way out so you have no choice but to take the hits and feel pain

[steel stirrup]

I think X Drake still has time to be great

[ruby moat]

Yes it wasn’t very cool when drake was like fucking up poor ppl n shit on Wano

[steel stirrup]

He is the leader of SWORD

[proud pivot]

is there even enough time for shanks + buggy + croc + mihawk + akainu and so many others to cook? Drake had a chance many arcs ago

[deep chasm]

hes immortal why would this matter here

[prisma yacht]

Wise lessons from buffy

[ruby moat]

Akainu sneak

[cold steppe]

No more supernova. Let's get urouge out of the way and be done

[deep chasm]

usually people back off or run because otherwise theyll die yknow

[steel stirrup]

He was committed to his role

[deep chasm]

if they cant kill him, making him "feel pain" literally wouldnt matter

[proud pivot]

absolutely? Akainu, like him or not, has alot left to do. he has to fight luffy and sabo. even u agree

[sage temple]

He would've been contained

And they would stop him from running wild

[deep chasm]

omg what does this respond to in my message 😭

[deep chasm]

okay so they contain him by making him feel pain...and then waht

[ruby moat]

“Has a lot left to do” and you just mention a single fight where he’ll lose

[steel stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/hell-no-oh-no-hu-what-popcorn-gif-12325900934325026511

[sage temple]

He would've been contained and they would stop him from running wild He would've been contained and they would stop him from running wild He would've been contained and they would stop him from running wild

[untold latch]

HE bodies both of them

[brittle basin]

love her

[steel stirrup]

Me too

[ruby moat]

Luffy may fight him for a little but not long, he’s not important enough to be a real luffy fight

[proud pivot]

The fleet admiral has alot left to do. if ur a one piece fan, u agree

[steel stirrup]

Carried the franchise

[sage temple]

The whole thing here is to wait for Loki to finish the job

[deep chasm]

yes Im sure the immortal guy will be nice because hes feeling pain

[golden valley]

Thats not what this necessarily has to mean either. 😭 Plus, we know Gaban wasn’t talking about saving Harald atp, Shanks suggested it.

[deep chasm]

okay socrates

[sage temple]

You're acting like the only way to interpret what Gaban said is the way you interpret it

[fossil nimbus]

Akainu was in that panel with the people who said they'll claim the one piece, so no matter how you look at it, akainu still has a lot to do in the story

[ruby moat]

Fr all those papers he gotta sign

[sage temple]

You're acting like the only way to interpret what Gaban said is the way you interpret it

[deep chasm]

@sage temple ?

[proud pivot]

I believe that you are disagreeing just to be a contrarian? not that i can't relate. u do u tho

[iron oriole]

When you get driven into a corner, fight or flight activates like for example they say a dog driven into a corner is dangerous because it'll snap etc because the fear mechanism in everything makes them behave this way, scared for their life etc

[steel stirrup]

He's definitely gonna die

[golden valley]

But reason was given as to why they can be killed

[cold steppe]

The way I see it. Is when harald broke out momentarily from Imus mark, he also momentarily lost his immortality

[untold latch]

socrates always finds himself in situations where it's a 1v5. What does this mean?

[steel stirrup]

A zealot like him

The only option is to kill him tbh

[ruby moat]

He has bad takes

[golden valley]

Anyway socrates, Gaban never planned on saving Harald originally.

[iron oriole]

Sabo is killing him

[untold latch]

maybe its a bad audience

[fossil nimbus]

"definitely", oda couldn't even kill kinemon.

[golden valley]

So what was the alternative? Holding him captive?

[steel stirrup]

Beautiful

[proud pivot]

he probably bodies sabo, ye. But undoubtedly, he's someone who like buggy and blackbeard has alot left to do

[steel stirrup]

Kinemon wasn't a zealot

[sage temple]

I'm saying that his regen speed lowers in response to ACoC attacks and, since Gaban and Shanks are barraging him with quick ACoC attacks, Harald takes longer to eventually get to 100%. But once they stop attacking him, he's basically regenerated to full health and they lose all their progress which is why Gaban said don't let up

[cold steppe]

Not sure if harald did it himself or the hammer or DF helped

[untold latch]

Akainu isnt evil idk why ppl think Akainu needs to die anyway

[steel stirrup]

Gr8 b8 m8

[proud pivot]

evil? yes. irredeemable? not a chance

[steel stirrup]

I r8 8/8

[untold latch]

not evil

[deep chasm]

So they made no progress then. because you think he regenerated to 100%

[untold latch]

he just has a very extreme view

[brittle basin]

Akainu is an extremist is his problem.

[iron oriole]

Guy who ordered a bunch of innocents to be killed on his own back, not even ordered to order it... isn't evil

[untold latch]

but that doesnt make him evil

[shadow vault]

I think you perfect to be saint Charlos bodyguard

[sage temple]

Reason was given as to why they can be hurt and driven away. Not killed. If it were about killing them then Sommers would've been dead, but the Roger Pirates arguably can't do that

[fossil nimbus]

just saying, oda barely kills people in the manga. like even during situations where they should have died

[ruby moat]

He just has an extremist view tjat results in the death of innocent ppl but he’s not evil

[proud pivot]

he can be redeemed ngl because even Robin was aiding crocodile to abuse the people of Alabasta. if she can make a turn around, so can akainu

[ruby moat]

For sure lol

[untold latch]

Akainu is a pure rationalist thinker

[steel stirrup]

Nah

[unique lagoon]

is this just what loki did all those 8 years?
just rampaging for the sake of rampaging
surely he had plans/goals

[deep chasm]

unless of course theres this thing where sometimes enemies run when theyre about to die

[untold latch]

exactly

[golden valley]

We just went over why this doesn’t have to be true.

[steel stirrup]

No redemption is possible for Akainu

[deep chasm]

Why do people think just because a character is immortal that everyone who has the potential to kill them would have killed them

[steel stirrup]

Stop it

[untold latch]

Akainu has probably the best view given the one piece world

[brittle basin]

With Akainu, there seems to be little wiggle room for discussion or nuance that is needed to give him a different point of view.

[proud pivot]

i wanna see if u can be fair. Do u believe that robin was always good?

[deep chasm]

summers being immortal and fighting the roger pirates doesnt mean theyd have actually gotten the perfect chance to kill him

[shadow vault]

Oh look I see Akainu bombed innocent people in O'Hara but no one ordered it to bomb it wow he's so great and cool

[sage temple]

When you get driven into a corner it doesn't mean you'll get killed it means you're just trapped and contained. Which was their goal. Gaban said he couldn't let Harald run wild.

[knotty pilot]

facts

[cold steppe]

Akainu destroyed that civilian ship by his own will. It wasn't the gorosei and it was no one's order

[brittle basin]

Robin seems good at first glance, but then you always have to battle internally with the fact she aided Croc.

[sage temple]

We just went over why this doesn't have to be false

[proud pivot]

And who told robin to be an enabler and supporter of crocodile, a guy who abused an entire nation? People turn their lives around

[ruby moat]

Akainu is gonna leave the marines to join the strawhats 🫶

[golden valley]

No actually, we didn’t

[spice cairn]

Robin was about to ditch her employer too...

[sage temple]

The fact that we don't know specifics about it means we shouldn't act like only your way is right

[unique lagoon]

im a firm believer akainu can be an enemy of pirates and WG at the same time
he just might go full rabid

[spice cairn]

The tragedy

[shadow vault]

Oh look akainu tried to kill his own soldier because his soldier that time tried to stop the war ending more innocent life loss wow

[untold latch]

Is it tasteless? Yes, but its also very reasonab;e and logical

[fossil nimbus]

I almost forgot he did this, but is this the reason people dislike him so much?

[golden valley]

I agree

[sage temple]

I just gave you reasons on why it doesn't have to be false

[sage temple]

Ok

[deep chasm]

Socrates could be happily talking today about how Loki was the main player to beat harald and scopper and shanks felt loki was the key to it and Loki beat a hammer that all the past kings couldnt. Instead we're doing more mental gymnastics for extra glaze

[shadow vault]

Are you serious?

[unique lagoon]

but i also like demon mode akainu with the help of imu

[urban lodge]

Akainu dies like Ace protecting Luffy from Imu

[ornate tartan]

questionable

[fossil nimbus]

is that a yes? or there are other reasons

[steel stirrup]

She was an assassin so no not completely but there's a difference between doing what you have to do to survive and knowingly killing a ship full of innocent people unprompted.

He didnt even get an order from the Gorosei or anyone else to do it he did of his own volition where as I seriously doubt that Robin took any joy in any of the crimes she had to commit to survive

[prisma yacht]

[untold latch]

the only reason ppl hate Akainu is because we watch one piece for multiple perspectives. If you were the regular civillian in the op world you'd wish for more people like Akainu 🤷‍♂️

[golden valley]

Ur just gonna go back to saying “Roger Pirates couldn’t kill Sommers lmao”

[steel stirrup]

Thats because they have no knowledge of his atrocities

[golden valley]

Even though reasons were given as to why that is the case

[shadow vault]

Did you forget that the man also tried to kill his own soldier? Did you forget in Red film (even though it's non canon) he order the Navy to shoot the innocent people in order to stop uta?

[proud pivot]

'have to do to survive' that's a fallacy. She didn't need to abuse an entire nation just to survive. If u re-read or rewatch the alabasta arc you'll see that she was angling for poneglyph secrets the entire time. Thats not about survival thats ambition

[sage temple]

That could happen or the Roger Pirates just couldn't actually bypass regen

[deep chasm]

and you have 0 reason to think the latter

[distant vine]

No lmao?

[unique lagoon]

you think akainu has any idea someone is sitting on the throne
surely with his intel he heard some bits of news going around

[spice cairn]

Blowing up a ship filled with innocent people? I sleep
Killing deserters who don't want to keep fighting in Marineford? REAL SHIT

[untold latch]

many people in the marines have knowledge of it

[sage temple]

I do

[shadow vault]

Like cmon why the fuck you have to ask if Akainu evil or not

[sage temple]

Sommers is alive

Which is why I think theym couldn't kill him

[deep chasm]

do you think every character whos fought someone who can kill them, was actually killed?

[prisma yacht]

Kuzan sure did
Look how he turned out to be

[ruby moat]

Socrates forgetting this is one piece lol

[distant vine]

The only reason the general populace would wish for Akainu is if theyre given a good presentation of him

[spice cairn]

Robin is pretty

[proud pivot]

like, u honestly only need to rewatch or re read alabasta she wanted poneglyph secrets and she made no secrets of it in the end she thought that siding with crocodile would get her that

[steel stirrup]

Robin only followed the path that was available to her

[dense haven]

https://tenor.com/view/essica-monthly-squirrel-1st-gif-6550491256203721241

[spice cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/essica-monthly-squirrel-31st-gif-15304701108609121224

[steel stirrup]

Akainu didnt have to do any of the things he has done

[golden valley]

Yeah its such bad logic

[proud pivot]

There's more options than abusing an entire nation. Again, ur allowed to concede some things u dont have to stick to ur guns all the time

[shadow vault]

Even akain doesn't care about innocent people all he care is the face of Navy just like what happened in dressrosa

[sage temple]

Reasons were given as to why it could happen

[proud pivot]

agreed. Fk akainu

[deep chasm]

Luffy is alive, Kizaru cant kill pre timeskip luffy. Law is alive, guess BB cant kill Law

[golden valley]

Sommers would be written as getting away every time

[distant vine]

"Oh yeah I want a guy thatll blow up civilian ships. Shows he's dedicated"

[untold latch]

dont forget kuzan and Saul's are exceptions. There are hundreds of marines that took Akainu's orders

[ruby moat]

Ppl who are pro Akainu are just trolling and baiting. Likely very young as well

[shadow vault]

Still what? What are you trying to justify here? A innocent man murdered by the one so called justice?

[sage temple]

You said I had zero reason to think that and I gave you a reason why I thought it

[deep chasm]

wait....x character didnt die??? that must mean his opponents were entirely incapable of killing him

[ruby moat]

Lots of TikTok use

[proud pivot]

thats the beauty of it. ppl can change!

[ornate tartan]

does vice admiral doberman deserve forgiveness
he believes in the same absolute justice as akainu

[spice cairn]

I mean I like Sakazuki quite a bit but I think you can like someone and not agree with what they think is good course of action for marine operations

[untold latch]

yall arent good at thinking logically and concerningly, a lot of you are above voting age

[unique lagoon]

[ruby moat]

You’ve gotta have a pretty rotted brain to be justifying the stuff Akainu does

[deep chasm]

No I just explained to you how shit of a reason that is. A character being alive does not mean everyone theyve come across was incapable of killing them, it just means no one was in the right situation to kill them

[spice cairn]

I think Oda making the admirals complex views of justice individually is great

[steel stirrup]

Im not saying she is justified

Im saying that if the King of that very country didn't hold ot against her i dont see why we should.

Akainus victims arent here to have the opportunity to offer their forgiveness and thats the issue

[brittle basin]

King of the jesters

[deep chasm]

The reason you gave is entirely stupid

[shadow vault]

Your take is so shit and the bait is trash

[sage temple]

Time after time and they still couldn't kill them after fighting them is what raises the question of if they can actually do it in the first place

[spice cairn]

Sakazuki and by extension exist to create that discussion for the marines so I think in a narrative sense Sakazuki is very cool

[deep chasm]

have you heard of running away before

[spice cairn]

Only problem is Oda is sandbagging him till the final arc.

[proud pivot]

Many alabasta victims exist too under a regime that robin supported. Ur argument that she needed to support crocodile in order to survive is false. Only difference between robin and akainu is that Robin has turned her life around. if she can be afforded that grace, so can akainu should he choose

[ruby moat]

Sure narratively Akainu is a cool character. People saying “Akainu isn’t evil” “Akainu did nothing wrong” are idiots

[spice cairn]

So its not like theres much going for him besides the basis.

[untold latch]

Sakazuki is an incredibly realistic world

[steel stirrup]

Another reason is I doubt he will choose that

[prisma yacht]

yeah well many marines are corrupt and ass
I don't get your point?
There were marines in gv watching civilians die??

[sage temple]

After going against them for so many times you shoud logically just prevent them from running away which is why I think they can't kill regen users

[unique lagoon]

oda already prepping akainus tragic villain arc

[sage temple]

Especially after going against Gorosei/Imu

And Xebec vs Garling as well

[proud pivot]

on that we are agreed (altho id be very happy to see him change)

[sage temple]

He had no ACoC

[deep chasm]

Yea theres a lot of characters who logically should be dead and arent, will you have an excuse for all of them

[ruby moat]

Only if it upscales Loki

[spice cairn]

Well yeah nobody is going to justify it lmao.

[distant vine]

Nah Id say his actions are quite hyperbolic

[untold latch]

there were at most 300 marines on gv. How many marines are in the world. 85% of the marines are good bro

[deep chasm]

pretty much

socrates will slander anyone if it gives any chance to somehow upscale loki

[distant vine]

But the idea of an authoritarian police that uses any means necessary? Thats real

[deep chasm]

but everyone else is just loki haters

[spice cairn]

Its just one of those things where his abolutism is a extreme form of justice

It exists

[brittle basin]

I don't want to say Akainu is evil in the same way I say Sommers is evil, since Sommers seems to take joy from cruelty for its own sake. But there is no forgiving Akainu for his actions, especially, Ohara. It's like a different kind of evil, one perpetuated by his twisted sense of Absolute Justice. So, like, they're both evil in different ways, I guess?

[steel stirrup]

It would definitely be interesting to see if Oda could pull that off

[spice cairn]

That is a fundamental thing Oda wants to convey with Sakazuki