also-manga

[thick mango]

I dunno when the proper final war is going and say luffy is like hey can you take care of ethan i guess the answer technically can be 'nah i gotta duel mihawk' but it really shouldnt be when we're trying to save the world here

[minor cloud]

Mihawk only hangs out in the east blue cause that’s where his black paint supplier lives

[thick mango]

at that point they just say, we'll find out after this yknow

lets meet up and settle this after the war is over

which i would call the epilogue case

[buoyant comet]

The thing is Luffy might not even drop the One Piece search to fight on Mary geoise

[azure wasp]

Zoro vs mihawk will happen in top of redline

[buoyant comet]

But ya know it's really hard to think of a situation or an appropriate circumstance for Mihawk and Zoro to duel

[thick mango]

I dont think he will, but i think at some point the war will be on bb and/or mariejoa and if thats underway it becomes weird to itnerrupt such an important time that desperately needs good strong people with two good(ish) people attacking each other

The finale of a davy back fight is one of the few ways that a proper honor duel can have an appropriate place imo

Mihawk's expected dominance is part of the reason why buggy/croc might want to pursue a davy back fight

[buoyant comet]

If a davyback were to happen Buggy would have to be the one intiating it

He'd probably davyback for Robin

[thick mango]

yeah but the final battle doesnt have to battle of the captians

buggy can challenge them and make the final game a sword duel

[azure wasp]

Zoro vs mihawk can't be initiated by someone other then themselves

Just doesn't hold the weight

[thick mango]

part of their problem is the lack of good officers, they cant go toe to toe with rhp or bbp on a direct fight cause even on their best day its like 4.5ish v 10

[buoyant comet]

Buggy doesn't know about Zoro and Mihawks rivalry so I doubt that. He'd probably ask for a death fight and nominate Mihawk as his combatant

[azure wasp]

Thier fight has to be because either zoro or mihawk decided its time to fight.
No outsider should determine when they fight

[thick mango]

But a davy back fight lets a mihawk 1v1 be 33% of the outcome. Its a way to negate their numbers disadvantage and pursue their goals more cautiously (since croc didnt really want to be on the path for the op anyway till buggy forced it)

[buoyant comet]

I agree but most likely it'll be circumstances that push their duel to happen

[stray pulsar]

Chances Mihawk punches Buggy to death to steal his fruit and uses it to win against Zoro?

[thick mango]

I think it can be the case that they just decide to fight but if it goes that way I think its in the epilogue

[spice cairn]

Mihawk punching is crazy

I mean I understand why but thats funny

[thick mango]

basically cause they shouldnt be deciding the right time is in the middle of the war with dark satanic forces for the fate of the world

[azure wasp]

I'm of opinion mihawk will seek out zoro during final war because he wants to settle thier duel before the new dawn
It will bean amazing parallel to zoro starting poimt where he was looking for mihawk. Mihawk seeking zoro be 1st establishment that zoro is ready

[azure wasp]

Zoro vs mihawk will not be an epilogue

[stray pulsar]

Do the SHs care about the fate of the world? I know they are good and helpful but that tends to be just with the people they are with at the time

[buoyant comet]

We're going to get a long flashback similar to sanjis wci flashback exploring what happened to Zoro at his timeskip training

[minor cloud]

Considering how hard Mihawk struggled against vista I’d be shocked if he could even beat buggy

[trim lily]

i imagine they would care a little if you mean the world flooding

[buoyant comet]

I assume we're going to get Mihawk lore alongside that

[thick mango]

what about fights with shiryu and ethan though? Isnt part of the honor duel idea that it should be perffectly clean with folks reseted and not interrupted or anything? How we gonna fight the dark forces sword users and mihawk at the same time without ruining the honor duel concept

mihawk wouldnt even want a zoro fight if zoro just got done with shiryu

[stray pulsar]

I’m of the opinion that whatever they learn of Laughtale will make Luffy mad enough to save the world.

[buoyant comet]

Yeah they do especially since their friend Vivi is directly affected, and Luffys family (Sabo mostly) are fighting the WG.

[azure wasp]

Zoro will fight mihawk after beating nasjuro

[thick mango]

again i feel like that ruins the sanctity of the duel

unless ethan is gonna be an easy time (which he shouldnt be) mihawk wouldnt want to fight zoro when hes tired and damaged

[celest mauve]

they'll care for sure when they find out the history of the world (void century and all) if they don't already after vegapunk's message

[azure wasp]

Zoro at his best when injured

[buoyant comet]

Zoro Nusjuro and Mihawk will have a three way battle for WSS 😭

[thick mango]

that just pushes it to 'meet me up after the war' type shit

[azure wasp]

Nasjuro not invited

[minor cloud]

And vista

[buoyant comet]

I'm ngl he has a case to make to be the WSS

[buoyant comet]

Lost all of his aura when he couldn't get his get back

[stray pulsar]

Isn’t Vista likely dead by Weevil?

[thick mango]

vista might be dead

[minor cloud]

Mihawk was sweating bullets while fighting vista

[azure wasp]

Bro had 900 years to forge a black blade and still couldn't

[thick mango]

well no payback war not weevil right

[buoyant comet]

No?

[azure wasp]

[thick mango]

but yeah he could be dead from the payback war

[buoyant comet]

He's alive... Probably

[golden valley]

The timeline will fit, this is not an Oda issue and just because we don’t understand the sequence of events doesn’t mean it’s unrealistic or unreasonable X won’t happen.

[minor cloud]

Vista is admiral level at minimum

[stray pulsar]

Oh yeah, I know it was something

[golden valley]

There’s about a hundred reasons why Zoro vs Mihawk is happening regardless

[buoyant comet]

Again sweating doesnt mean he was stronger gang like Mihawk sweated against East Blue Zoro and he still neg diffed him 😭

[thick mango]

its 100% happening the question is just where. there are a lot of options

[minor cloud]

He’s not stronger but he’s on par with him

[golden valley]

Ok, to be more specific, its happening in the main timeline

[buoyant comet]

How 😭

[minor cloud]

Mihawk only sweat against zoro cause it was hot out

[golden valley]

Not after

[buoyant comet]

Agenda piece bro ts frying my brain

[minor cloud]

He held his own against Mihawk

[golden valley]

Zoro isn’t obtaining a black blade anywhere else but from Mohawk

Yknow, the guy with the actual black blade

[minor cloud]

Everyone knows Mihawk painted his sword black

[dense haven]

any squrrel fans in chat

[stray pulsar]

Yeah, they are cute

[spice cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/cute-squirrel-cute-squirrel-sombrero-squirrel-with-sombrero-gif-22107902

[azure wasp]

Please stop falling for edited panels

[blazing depot]

https://tenor.com/view/squirrel-dance-gif-2781536421969053210

[hazy echo]

https://fixupx.com/OPAmbitionNews/status/2003896431632105494

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FixupX · Dec 24, 2025, 6:31 PM

[celest mauve]

I liked the theories about the legendary elbaf DF being dark nika

warrior of destruction like some giants were claiming

after seeing that silhouette though, idk

[frozen ravine]

nidhogg could be dark nika, we dont have the lore yet

[sage temple]

After seeing Luffy's unawakened fruit you wouldn't know if it were Nika at all so I'll still wait tbh

[frozen ravine]

i think blackbeard is going to have the evil version of nika tho

[sage temple]

Until we see Loki awakened and everything we can't rly say for sure

I just wonder what exactly allowed Loki to kill a Holy Knight

[frozen ravine]

or maybe imu is someone who failed their awakening like the impel down jailer beasts

and they have evil nika fruit

[sage temple]

The Roger pirates couldn't kill the HKs yet Loki did I wonder if it's a technique or smth

[frozen ravine]

harald ran out of mana haki after regenning too much

[outer flax]

I think one piece final arc about to be trashed by many because it's gonna have so many fake out deaths

Get ready for the hate

[sage temple]

Sommers can't defend himself with ACoC yet Gaban couldn't kill him, neither could any of the Roger pirates

[outer flax]

Herald snap out of imu power and that's why he died

[sage temple]

If Harald could do this I don't think the incident would've even happened in the first place

[frozen ravine]

i dont think they need acoc specifically, probably just haki in general, with acoc being helpful as armor but not entirely necessary

[outer flax]

That's what happened.
That's why Herald said "before imu take control over me, kill me "

[sage temple]

Sommers didn't defend his body apparently here

[outer flax]

It's obvious

[sage temple]

Yeah, he was still regenerating lol

Loki fully bypassed the regen and killed him

[outer flax]

So what?
Immortality is imu power which come after imu control Herald

If he snap out of it, he could die

[sage temple]

Imu doesn't need to mind control Harald for him to be immortal

[outer flax]

I don't think so.
My point on Herald snapping out of it and his death on the same time is evidence

[sage temple]

Harald isn't mind controlled here

Yet he's still given immortality

Lol

[outer flax]

Yes but character can control immortality

Like character can bypass domi reversi

[sage temple]

Wdym by character

[dense haven]

chapter soon

[golden valley]

No harald legit couldn’t stop his immortality

He straight up implies it

https://scans-hot.planeptune.us/manga/One-Piece/1169-007.png

[outer flax]

He killing his own men.
He can't control his body unlike with Loki where he was still

Not the same

[golden valley]

He couldn’t control his regeneration, even when he was actively resisting his body getting overwhelmed

Thats not how that works

[outer flax]

Not the same. He was killing his own men

Against Loki, he was standing still

And talking to

[golden valley]

Ok and he still can’t control his regeneration

He naturally regenerates

[outer flax]

Who knows
We don't know
Maybe imu power waver from coc haki attacks

[golden valley]

We do know

[outer flax]

That's why Loki could bypass immortality

No we don't

[sage temple]

Mfs hate to see Loki do something nobody else can

[golden valley]

https://temp.compsci88.com/manga/One-Piece/1170-014.png

Harald gains his body back right there

As you can see hes damaged

[outer flax]

Yea but then he died and it didn't regenerate

[frosty jasper]

the giants look more like vikings than pirates

[golden valley]

No, look again https://temp.compsci88.com/manga/One-Piece/1170-016.png

This is him still in control of his body

And he regenerates

Naturally

[outer flax]

Dialogue make it seems like Loki wanted to be killed before he is immortal again

[golden valley]

What

[outer flax]

So yea what I said could be correct

[shadow knoll]

The WSJ break is till 2nd, no?

[sage temple]

No?

[golden valley]

What are you talking about

What are you even saying

[outer flax]

You think he will regenerate next chapter?

[sage temple]

The dialogue is saying Loki should kill Harald before he can defend himself with ACoC

[golden valley]

No???

[sage temple]

No* 🙄 , because they aren't immortal

[shadow knoll]

Can't even type right

[outer flax]

Dialogue clearly state "before he control me again "
Where the fuck is coc

[sage temple]

Autocorrect 😭

[shadow knoll]

[outer flax]

Y'all making shit up

[shadow knoll]

Bro, Harald is fucvking dead

How do you still believe

[golden valley]

It was just showed to you that Harald naturally regenerated even when he had control over his body

[shadow knoll]

He alive

[golden valley]

You didn’t even counter that

[shadow knoll]

When they had a fuckign emotional moment

Oda ended the chapter with a Harlad flashback

WHy would he do that

[sage temple]

Yeah because if he gets controlled again, he would be able to defend himself which would prevent himself from dying

[shadow knoll]

If harald didn't die

[outer flax]

That was the last time Regenerating

[sage temple]

Harald cannot stop his regeneration or immortality

[outer flax]

Before he died form Loki attack

[sage temple]

Yeah because Loki killed him

[outer flax]

From *

[golden valley]

He wouldn’t have regenerated if he could control it

[sage temple]

That's because Loki bypassed the regen

[golden valley]

What is this cope

Harald is in right state of mind here

[frosty jasper]

is this talking about conq haki?

[outer flax]

Last time regenerating while he snap out of imu control
And ask Loki to finish him before imu control him again

[golden valley]

Hes damaged and then regenerates later on still in his right state of mind

[golden valley]

This addresses nothing

[outer flax]

Address something atleast unlike your coc claim

[golden valley]

“Last time regenerating” is not addressing anything, yeah, he regenerated, because he cant stop it

[outer flax]

Because gaban and shanks coc did nothing to Herald

[golden valley]

I didn’t make any CoC claim

Though its correct

[outer flax]

Incorrect

[golden valley]

No it slowed his regeneration

[outer flax]

Yes but it didn't kill them

[golden valley]

Ok

[outer flax]

Like holy knight.
Roger pirates couldn't kill them

[golden valley]

Yeah

And Loki did

Now what

[sage temple]

Harald breaking free from Imu mind control doesn't mean he can stop his regeneration

[outer flax]

Loki stronger than Roger

[sage temple]

Okay and Loki could

[outer flax]

Nonsense

[sage temple]

I guess so lmao

[golden valley]

Not how that works

[sage temple]

You can cope but Loki killed an HK when Roger couldn't

[golden valley]

Yamato can counter regeneration better than Akainu can, doesn’t make them stronger

[outer flax]

Non sense

[golden valley]

Ok ig

[outer flax]

Akainu 100% have coc

[golden valley]

Sure maybe

But we’re talking now

From what we know

[outer flax]

You saying Loki coc better than Roger when he just got it against Herald

[sage temple]

16 year old Loki killed a HK when Roger's entire crew couldn't you're just going to have to live with that

[outer flax]

That would be stupid

[sage temple]

Well Loki did kill Harald

[golden valley]

Its reality

[sage temple]

Lmao

[outer flax]

Then again
Haki power system is stupid

[sage temple]

Argue with Oda

[golden valley]

It happened

[outer flax]

Maybe you are right
We will see

[sage temple]

I'm crying dude genuinely hates Loki

[dense haven]

ragnir killed harald

[sage temple]

Can't wait for Loki to kill some more HKs

[outer flax]

Now we are talking

[sage temple]

Loki's the only one who can do it so far

I wonder if he teaches Luffy

[outer flax]

Can't wait for loki to get domi reversi

[shadow knoll]

[sage temple]

I'm sure

[golden valley]

If the cope hurts you that much, you can just say Roger never went all out with his Haki against them

[sage temple]

Doesn't change the fact that Loki killed a HK when Roger's entire crew couldn't

[golden valley]

Because I don’t think he would’ve

[sage temple]

Loki haters when he shows very obvious strength here

[golden valley]

And Roger needed critical mass Haki to deal with someone like DR Rocks

[outer flax]

Roger don't hold back against people who dare touch his crew.
Roger definitely went all out

[sage temple]

Oh well

[outer flax]

He turn into demon

As per garp
Unless he was capping

[sage temple]

Looks like Loki when he was 16 could kill a HK while Roger going all out couldn't

[vital heart]

Hey guys! Whats the current convo topic

[golden valley]

I don’t think this means roger goes all out but ok

Roger just be wasting his haki on fodder ig

[outer flax]

Then again
Mythical zoan was supposed to be rarer than logia but it's got retcon

[outer flax]

As per garp not me

[golden valley]

Uh no, Garp doesn’t say that either

[outer flax]

He said

[golden valley]

Just that Roger gets really upset

And destroys countries for that

[outer flax]

He said Roger turn into demon

Himself

[golden valley]

Ok

And by demon, it means cruelty

[sage temple]

Someone's coping against Loki killing a HK while adult Shanks and Roger's entire crew couldn't

[golden valley]

Not hitting fodder with divine departures

[outer flax]

It's also show his seriousness

[outer flax]

Who knows what Roger did in his life

[golden valley]

It shows how he gets when his crew is involved yes

[vital heart]

What? When did this happen lol

[sage temple]

I mean obviously not in your world since you think Harald is alive

[vital heart]

Never said that

I think either Harald or Rocks is alive - the one being alive is MMBF. If both are alive then the order of the flame mark theory is true

[sage temple]

Oh ok

[sage temple]

Roger's crew couldn't kill them, they could only make them feel so much pain that they run away.

Loki actually killed an HK

[vital heart]

Oh thats what u mean

Yeah

No one is disagreeing with that

But you gotta be fair

The Roger Pirates never fought the HKs with the intent to kill, just to get them to leave

[sage temple]

I don't see why they would send them away knowing they would come back again

Why would you leave slave owners and killers away to roam?

[unique lagoon]

yeah it sounds like pirate shit
hit and run dint bother to look deeper into it

[sage temple]

The Roger Pirates not intending to kill the HKs is an extreme stretch just to make it seem like everyone else could do what Loki did if they tried

[unique lagoon]

i dont remember roger pirates being smart
rayleigh said something similar

prob the wrong translation but you get the point

[sage temple]

It seems like common logic to kill the bad people though, especially ones who kill people you care about

I see why people don't really want Loki to do things people like the Roger Pirates couldn't but it is what it is

[golden valley]

Roger and them probably need to pour all their haki to do that

Which we know is a risk

[sage temple]

Not really if you have everyone on your crew to back you up

Lol

[trim lily]

it’s still super up in the air how it works

[sage temple]

Yeah now it's up in the air when Loki can do something nobody else can

[trim lily]

like did rocks lose domi reversi cause of the haki roger and garp put out or is it cause it got turned off

[golden valley]

I mean, thats if there’s not multiple holy knights

[golden valley]

Rocks said they broke the curse

[trim lily]

didn’t he just say it got lifted

[sage temple]

There was only one HK from what we've seen. And you only need to pour in all of your Haki if they have ACoC.

None of the HKs back then had ACoC

Domi Rocks having crazy ACoC was the only reason they needed to pour everything in

Lol

[golden valley]

Maybe depending on translation

[golden valley]

One HK calling out for Shanks yeah. We don’t really know the specifics.

Also, it shouldn’t be specific against CoC users. Its legit the same principle as using overwhelming haki to break DF’s

[sage temple]

Loki went against the strongest HK and still killed him while the Roger Pirates were basically just going against CoC-less regen merchants

[golden valley]

More Haki = more overwhelming

That concept has been established

[sage temple]

Yeah but you saying "they need to pour in all of their Haki" hasn't been established at all

That's more of an assumption

The fact that none of the HKs they went against had CoC shows that there just wasn't much risk that you were talking about

[golden valley]

I said probably, not factually. It still ultimately boils down to more haki

[golden valley]

What

If theres more than one HK, theres more risk

[golden valley]

yeah

[sage temple]

They don't have CoC though, so they don't logically need to pour in all their Haki to do that

Lmao

The only reason they needed to pour in all their Haki before was because the person they went against had crazy ACoC

[golden valley]

Why do they need CoC when the principal is just breaking/overwhelming the powers

Overwhelming Haki overpowers the abilities

[prisma idol]

The haki

[golden valley]

Do you think DR regen is the same as HK regen

[prisma idol]

But if it was just imu cutting it off that would be hilarious

[golden valley]

Because we have examples that shows they really aint

[sage temple]

Because the only reason Garp and Roger needed to pour in everything

Was because Rocks had crazy ACoC

Lmao

[golden valley]

Cool and they’re facing something different here

They need to break the contracts abilities atp

[unique lagoon]

that only works for people who dont regen

[vital heart]

You fw This?

[golden valley]

Wow

[sage temple]

Making up reasons for why they wouldn't intend to kill the HKs is just going through hoops to say Lokis feat isnt crazy

[unique lagoon]

the whole roger pirates cant kill HK
is just another new gen is better than old gen trope

or stronger i guess

[golden valley]

You be dickriding Loki so hard you’re oblivious to the fact idc about this being some Loki circle jerk

[dense haven]

loki >>>> roger + garp

[golden valley]

And its not making up reasons, DR and the contract grant different types of abilities seemingly

Holy Knights seem harder to kill than a Domi Reversi victim

[sage temple]

Then why are you acting like the Roger pirates had some imaginary reason to not kill the HKs

[golden valley]

In fact thats demonstrated on panel

[formal wagon]

[golden valley]

Apparently we can’t speculate now?

Am I arguing this as fact?

[sage temple]

Okay then why could Loki break the ability but the Roger Pirates couldn't? It's a skill issue atp lol

[golden valley]

Either they weren’t capable, the roger pirates didn’t try or whatever other reason that might be plausible

[sage temple]

Every time I prove one scenario's unlikeliness you try to find smth else

[sage temple]

Oh ok

[golden valley]

I didn’t need to try

[sage temple]

What reason is that then

[golden valley]

I asked why CoC was necessary for them to pour all their haki in

Thats what we got stuck on

[outer flax]

Oda retcon so many shit since early one piece
It's not worth Arguing

[sage temple]

Yeah

[outer flax]

"Luffy don't kill people but crush their dreams "
Luffy killed kaido

[sage temple]

Because that's the only reason we've been shown that you need to pour all your Haki into

[outer flax]

Acoc and acoa are the same

[golden valley]

You dont need to answer what was already addressed

[sage temple]

Rogerbros gotta cope

[golden valley]

Im telling you what we were debating

[outer flax]

Acoc wasn't foreshadowed like acoa

[unique lagoon]

is scorates shadowboxing again

[sage temple]

Okay then so the Roger Pirates have no real likely reason to not kill the HKs

[outer flax]

Acoc was nonsense oda came up with in wano

[sage temple]

Alr

[outer flax]

[golden valley]

We don’t know whats likely, but neither interpretation is inherently wrong

[unique lagoon]

heres a panel for u about surpassing the old gen

[golden valley]

And you made it circular

Loki will be above Roger in about 2 weeks

[dense haven]

loki is the only person to kill a holy knight so logically that means hes the strongest character in the verse

[sage temple]

Yeah there's no apparent reason for them to not to kill the HKs

[unique lagoon]

does imu killing saturn counts

[sage temple]

It does

Loki is the 2nd strongest person in the verse then

[unique lagoon]

in what we have seen? sure

but MC is MC so luffy is stronger

[sage temple]

https://tenor.com/view/kathlol-happy-emoji-goofy-emoji-happy-face-happy-face-emoji-gif-2728078433471062380

[unique lagoon]

or will be

[sage temple]

Yeah will be

But not rn

[crimson yacht]

Just a reminder that theres people out there who didnt thikn zoro had conquerors prior to chapter 1010

One Piece Community is cooked

[golden valley]

We know

I hate op fans

[unique lagoon]

reminds me of wano when people talked about yamato being stronger than zoro

[dense haven]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-fans-gif-27627815

[crimson yacht]

Zoro gotta be like

the most

[golden valley]

Stop

Hes not

[crimson yacht]

weirdly

downplayed character in certain aspects

bro when rooftop was releasing weekly there were genuinely people mad that

Zoro was performing the way he was

like how can u be mad that luffys right hand is comp

[vital heart]

I think Garling has also killed a HK too

[golden valley]

Oda will continue to debunk the op fans

[sage temple]

Ngl I think people just hate him for not having an obvious gag he needs to be more goofy

[golden valley]

Next thing hes gonna debunk is the sanji wont get coc takes

[unique lagoon]

also shanks capturing loki seams to be not enough
to even consider he is stronger than loki 6 years ago

[crimson yacht]

but if zoro was just goofy he'd be like other straw hats n i just don want that

[dense haven]

harald let loki win

[golden valley]

Then he’ll debunk the garling is weak takes

[sage temple]

Yep, nothing really says Shanks capturing Loki proves Shanks is stronger

[crimson yacht]

bro this whole loki shanks thing is probably gonna

be answered

within a chapter or 2

[sage temple]

I hope so

[crimson yacht]

cause

[unique lagoon]

like theres no chance like its impossible that he was stronger

[sage temple]

I need to get some bets in soon

[crimson yacht]

i still dont understand

why shanks would even come to conflict

with loki

even tho he knows loki dditn do

anything wrong

didnt*

[sage temple]

It's possible he was stronger but it's also possible he wasn't

https://tenor.com/view/think-thinking-thoughts-person-all-the-time-gif-1836332222206272183

[crimson yacht]

shanks did say he wanted to save

harald

this chapter

[golden valley]

Shanks didn’t seem stronger than Loki in this chapter (or even close to his level really) but we’ll see

[crimson yacht]

and loki straight up just blows up his body

so maybe shanks wouldnt be happy ab that idk

[unique lagoon]

gotcha

atleast you got your options

[crimson yacht]

this version of shanks no

him and gaban together couldnt even do much to harald

[golden valley]

Shanks would’ve have to have gotten way stronger

Which is reasonable

[sage temple]

For sure. Ngl Loki seems more like a rival to Shanks than Mihawk imo

Like narratively speaking and whatever

[crimson yacht]

yea it was 14 yrs ago

[crimson yacht]

i dont see it at all

[golden valley]

Thats bc we haven’t seen mihawk fight all out

[sage temple]

Yeah so it raises the question

[crimson yacht]

but the thing ab Mihawk is that

he was rivals with shanks

like

[formal wagon]

🤔

[crimson yacht]

a decade ago

hes now the strongest

out of every swordsman

so is there even a rivalry anymore

[unique lagoon]

shanks and loki improved their power in those 8 years
and then shanks captured loki
so it just depends how you look at it then
if loki got more powerful than shanks or otherway around

[sage temple]

Not much ngl

[unique lagoon]

also oda loves shanks theres that

[crimson yacht]

shanks and loki is just too ambiguous right now

ill just have to see

what happens

[sage temple]

Loki surpasses Oda glaze

[golden valley]

This shanks doesn’t even seemingly have future sight

[unique lagoon]

oda is exploring shanks more now who knows

[sage temple]

Shanks fans realizing Loki is unbound by Oda Shanks glaze

[unique lagoon]

it might be another roger point of weakness again
when garp punched roger and the slander slop happened

dint last long tho

[frosty jasper]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IZE7JSLJU0&list=RD-IZE7JSLJU0&start_radio=1

[sage temple]

True true

[frosty jasper]

Pledge allegiance to the hip-hop

[golden valley]

Gaban looked more confident in that fight than Shanks 😭

[unique lagoon]

cuz shanks dint want to kill his buddy

[golden valley]

Loki > HK Harald > Gaban > Young Shanks > Jarul in that castle

[unique lagoon]

mentally nerfed as they say

[sage temple]

My package arrives this saturday, Loki > Shanks becoming more and more possible, Loki is confirmed to have the legendary fruit, AND Loki killed the strongest HK while Roger's entire crew couldn't kill Sommers... God you've heard my prayers

https://tenor.com/view/vince-carter-emotional-vince-carter-nba-coach-crying-nba-coach-hands-out-nba-coach-waving-hands-gif-13283660107289129739

[unique lagoon]

[sage temple]

We've seen Shanks struggle for the first time as well? 🥹

[golden valley]

Loki has a fruit that rivals the Nika

I hope we get a statement like this

[sage temple]

Same

[unique lagoon]

what happens to the yami DF then

[golden valley]

Surpasses all DF’s

[sage temple]

I feel like Oda was doing his thing when giving Loki and Luffy's fruits the "legendary" title out of all the fruits in the series

Gosh I can't wait

[unique lagoon]

hold up

[golden valley]

Hey bb did say its the strongest

[unique lagoon]

yami df will have a crazy unlock huh?

[shadow knoll]

@rose rune give him two ponytails

[golden valley]

In Elbaf too. They’re meant to be rivals imo

[sage temple]

16 year old Loki is stronger than 25 year old Shanks btw

[golden valley]

Yeah the original concept of yami was legit the most broken df

By far

[unique lagoon]

what was it again?

i remember seeing that just forgot

[golden valley]

Impervious to all damage

[unique lagoon]

awakening

wait aint that basically regen

[shadow knoll]

yeah but 35 y/o shanks is stronger than 26 y/o loki, granted they actually fought

[sage temple]

Yeah, also assuming Shanks had no help against Loki

So

Not really a strong one

[formal wagon]

💀 naaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

[sage temple]

We've seen weaker people capture stronger people plenty of times in the series

Gonna have to put Loki into uncomfortable conversations

[unique lagoon]

since loki is not a cool first awakened logia
back to teach then having the first awakened logia

no hope for the admirals atm

[shadow knoll]

If you wanna ask me, Oda isn't inclined to portraying Loki being stronger than Shanks

It's just a plothole in powerscaling

[sage temple]

Yet he did it this chapter

So I wouldn't be surprised to seeing it later on

[shadow knoll]

But, that's cuz Shanks wasn't who he is now

he got way stronger later in the game

[unique lagoon]

you just need to ask which one is more powerful atm

[sage temple]

Shanks fans try to hold onto this same glaze in saying Shanks > Loki

[shadow knoll]

It's true though

[unique lagoon]

oda even gave shanks observation killing
first one to have it i think

[sage temple]

Yeah but Loki was only 16 back then, he's barely even finished puberty. Loki is logically a lot stronger at 19 there against Shanks

[shadow knoll]

I am a Shanks fan and even I don't think he's stronger than Loki

[sage temple]

Assuming it was even a fight

[shadow knoll]

But, it's just soemthing Oda might do

[sage temple]

This is what he said and he tried to say Shanks would be the main focus against Harald this incident

[shadow knoll]

He was locked up for a long time

[sage temple]

I'm talking about from 14 years ago to 6 years ago when he got captured

And even with him being locked up

[unique lagoon]

ngl i doubt that will matter being locked up

[sage temple]

Durability training

[golden valley]

Im open to either or but id bet shanks is stronger atp

[sage temple]

And this time is literally nothing to people like Loki

It's not like he lost all his muscle mass or smth

If anything I expect him to be smarter with a more disciplined brain

[shadow knoll]

See, it's kind of difficult to assume anything until we get a full Shanks past lore insteadd of Oda milking him so much

[sage temple]

After spending years in the cold

[sage temple]

Yeah but right now it isn't ridiculous at all to say Loki > Shanks if others are going to say Shanks > Loki

[unique lagoon]

dont worry we will get more vague dialog
so we have all year to talk about it

[golden valley]

I think the fight is contextual, has to be imo

[shadow knoll]

What the fuck happened that in the beginning of OP, Shanks was the man with strongest haki

[golden valley]

But

Oda can still make Shanks superior

I don’t think Shanks or Loki fought to kill

[shadow knoll]

it's not, who's saying it's ridiculous, there's a 70/30 chance fo Loki>Shanks

But considering Oda, he won't do that

[sage temple]

https://tenor.com/view/predator-arnold-schwarzenegger-hand-shake-arms-gif-3468629

[shadow knoll]

He salivates over Shanks powerscaling

[unique lagoon]

loki cant be > shanks
Cuz shanks still needs to fight BB possibly imu

[sage temple]

I've seen some Shanks fans including Arsal act like Loki is weaker

[sage temple]

How does this conflict with him fighting BB and Imu

Loki needs to fight Imu as well

[unique lagoon]

cuz BB and imu are the top contender for villains

[sage temple]

Loki is foretold to fight Imu specifically

[golden valley]

You can be really confident in this take tho

[sage temple]

I know but why does it matter if he's weaker than Loki

[golden valley]

Which arsal is

[unique lagoon]

cuz that would mean the top villains would just shove shanks around

[sage temple]

I can be really confident in saying Loki > Shanks

[golden valley]

You can

See how that works

[shadow knoll]

exactly my point

[unique lagoon]

its so over

[sage temple]

?

No?

[unique lagoon]

going to be a shitty death

[sage temple]

Loki is not weak lmao

[shadow knoll]

it's just a plothole in powerscaling

[unique lagoon]

im talking about shanks

[sage temple]

Yeah, if he's weaker than Loki that doesn't mean he loses to BB

[unique lagoon]

but how do you scale how powerful BB and Imu is when the time comes
im talking about peak form

[shadow knoll]

Shanks looks realistically weaker than Loki, but, all the build up from the beginning of OP ould be irrelevant if Loki is stronger than him

[sage temple]

How though

[golden valley]

Huh, he’s losing to Bb

[sage temple]

I mean I'm not taking either side of that debate

[unique lagoon]

this aint even real imu loki about to fight this is just proxy

[sage temple]

I'm just saying Loki being stronger than Shanks isn't like a debuff for Shanks

It's just how it is

Loki is abnormally strong

[unique lagoon]

i dont even know if gunko imu can summon the giant blob monster

[formal wagon]

what if jinbei ate the pika pika no mi: model red

[golden valley]

I think you know what side you want to win though

[trim lily]

that’d be awesome

[formal wagon]

yeah

visualizer

[trim lily]

what if jinbe was blue

[golden valley]

Hot ass

[sage temple]

True I do love to see Shanks fans cry

[unique lagoon]

ngl i want gunko to summon this thing somehow

maybe imu combines all 3 HKs to summon it

who knows how that shit works

[trim lily]

oh i didn’t notice you could still see saturn’s head

[unique lagoon]

yep

[trim lily]

imu acting like some kinda jockey…

[unique lagoon]

liquid ish stuff also
ink man

[shadow knoll]

then he should be the one to defeat imu

which is really unlikely

[shadow knoll]

wait you changed your usrname

[sage temple]

Well it's on the mural

[unique lagoon]

shit looks like the last of us infected

https://tenor.com/view/the-last-of-us-gif-26642511

[shadow knoll]

idk, there's room for speculation

[sage temple]

Loki can defeat Imu along with Luffy like the mural depicts

[unique lagoon]

loki will have another unlock soon also
when oda reveals how relevant the eyes are

[shadow knoll]

he's got a spear-ish kinda weapon

[golden valley]

Also, I remember people speculating that Loki would fight Gunko and Shamrock simultaneously only that its half true but wont be as onesided as people believe Loki vs Gunko is

[sage temple]

Just saying Loki bieng stronger than Shanks doesn't create any plot holes at all

The popular consensus with Dragon is that he's stronger than Shanks

That isn't a plothole event or anything

[shadow knoll]

yeah it won't, it's just a plothole in powerscaling

[trim lily]

i’m pretty sure the mural implies it is a team effort

[unique lagoon]

i wonder if loki still hold a grudge towards gunko when he gets the whole story
gunko was mind controlled like herald

[trim lily]

oh wait maybe i misread

[shadow knoll]

it's what happens when you milk characters for 1000 chapters and expect everything to be perfect

[blazing depot]

Why did Sony make these gifs 😭

[shadow knoll]

In reality OP most important issue is the powerscaling

[shadow knoll]

everyone says how great the story is

[unique lagoon]

loki be like i can kill gunko
brook and luffy will try stopping him
luffy use another nika unlock to help gunko

[shadow knoll]

but it's really not that when you consider other factors

[trim lily]

gunko could probably beat loki

they’d have to save him from himself

[shadow knoll]

nostalgia bait kind of atp

[unique lagoon]

surely thats going to be part of the plot
trying to save gunko

[sage temple]

Almost definitely not

[unique lagoon]

somekind of redemption for not saving herald
this time gunko will be freed
will she survive the process? prob not
but she will be freed?

[sage temple]

I mean Loki is just an anomaly. Just because Shanks has been portrayed as super strong doesn't mean a new character being stronger than him is a plothole

[trim lily]

i feel like gunko will go the route of being freed this arc

whether she dies after that is up for grabs

[golden valley]

Yes

[unique lagoon]

im betting on she dies in brooks arm
oda drops more depression flashback

[shadow knoll]

It is...he's been set up as the chosen one for god knows how long

it's the narrative of him being the main character

of the verse

[formal wagon]

I feel like gunko lost her pants at some point and its part of her backstory

[shadow knoll]

highly likely

[dry hamlet]

Top 1 worst death in fiction

[sage temple]

Looks like things are gonna have to change then

🤷‍♂️

Loki dethrones the golden boy

[shadow knoll]

i would definitely like that

[trim lily]

genuinely a non zero chance we get some explanation for brook’s stupid panties joke with this

[sage temple]

Like the Eagles winning against Patrick Mahomes

Or Wemby winning against Shai

[unique lagoon]

after GV yeh
also she has a uniform while serving imu in da garden

[formal wagon]

its honestly like 30% chance imo 😭

[shadow knoll]

i can bet on gunko dying with more confidence than Oda revealing Loki's df in the next 4 chs

[unique lagoon]

clearly a sob story tool for oda

[sage temple]

Can't wait for her mom to have been a slave that has alzheimers and every disease imaginable

[shadow knoll]

yeah, the pants joke definitely sounds like it's got some relation with gunko

maybe gunko used to say that

[sage temple]

And suddenly I'm supposed to like her 😩

[shadow knoll]

istg we can't just have villains as villians nowadays

[unique lagoon]

oda made you sad now you need to like her

[shadow knoll]

everything needs a justification

victimizing antagonists is such a trope

[unique lagoon]

whats you call those again?

tragic villains?

[shadow knoll]

yeah somethign like that

[unique lagoon]

eitherway gunko was already cool after this

that DF is something

[vital heart]

Its refreshing to see other DF users be so creative with their powers outside of just Luffy ngl

[sage temple]

I hope Loki kills her before she can redeem herself

[vital heart]

This is why I like kid too

[unique lagoon]

sadly gunko glitching out already in the plot

which ruins imus plan

[shadow knoll]

usopp upscale

[unique lagoon]

surely imu got more plans if gunko proxy fails

[shadow knoll]

Imu doesn't care about casualities

the way he disposed saturn off

is enough proof he wouldn't hesitate to kill another one of his pawns

[unique lagoon]

just imagine what desperate imu will do when 3HKs fail

will imu send a gorosei?

[sage temple]

Hope Loki has a DF where he can do the same

[unique lagoon]

maybe shamrock will actually return

[shadow knoll]

if it was upto me, I would progress the plot in a way that Imu disposes off another gorosei

maybe cuz he lost a fight against bb

[unique lagoon]

BB Pirates already fighting HKs offscreen

[shadow knoll]

or didn't manage to mitigate the damage from the revoluntionaries

[shadow knoll]

are they?

[unique lagoon]

wont be surprise if they just reveal HKs tried killing teach

that kinda fits with shanks meeting teach and injuring his face

[shadow knoll]

50/50

cuz teach gained prominence only after marineford

he laid low for the longest time

[rain cedar]

Tbf Saturn was horribly incompetent and caused the biggest PR disaster for the WG in the last 800 years

Imu was quite right to off him

[shadow knoll]

not his fault, Oda hyped them up, just like GKs

the others were equally incompetent

One Joyboy knot took all of them out

Infact, I would say nusjuro was even more incompetent than saturn

he got diffed by zoro

[hearty shore]

zoro is top 15 in verse

[rain cedar]

He just got pushed back by zoro 😭

power scaling is wild

[unique lagoon]

zoro was prep for round 2 clash but emet bomb happened

[strong wadi]

It's not his fault Oda turned off his power to just stop Sanji level characters from moving

[unique lagoon]

we will never know what that is

[rain cedar]

Yeah

[unique lagoon]

some say its just strong CoC

or his force push that knocks head off

[rain cedar]

I don't think i will ever understand how it works

[unique lagoon]

or just part of the DF i guess

its actually invisible spider webs thats attacking people and holding them down

[rain cedar]

If only Oda could've thought of something cool like that

[unique lagoon]

reading this again yeah saturn was one smug mf

[buoyant comet]

Yeah but I feel like he killed him for the wrong reasons.

Like I think killing Saturn was validated as he allowed Emet to be handed to the scientist which thus resulted in him coming back when he could have disposed him

[unique lagoon]

did saturn die after or before punk records went flying away

[buoyant comet]

But Imu killed him for letting Luffy escape which imo want entirety his fault

[maiden charm]

It was around the same time

[unique lagoon]

safe to assume imu dint realize that?

[buoyant comet]

Especially if you consider the fact that Imu and the Gorosei allowed Sabo to escape

Luffy escaping was circumstantial, Mu just took out his anger on Saturn tbh.

[unique lagoon]

you forget about the VP broadcast which they failed

[maiden charm]

I think so. Main faults Imu had with Saturn was letting Luffy escape, disobeying order to destroy emit. And making a nika clone probably doesn't help

[unique lagoon]

since it was saturns job dealing with egghead he took the blame for it

• the other failures

[maiden charm]

Yup

[buoyant comet]

Saturn called for backup so it was technically a collective failure

[maiden charm]

Plus he did a whole group summon without any prior discussions

[unique lagoon]

the main point is saturn was the science and defense guy

[buoyant comet]

Oh yeah I forgot he was head of the science branch

[maiden charm]

Saturn rested on his laurels too long and let the authority go to his head

[buoyant comet]

Kay but like Imu was more concerned with the fact that Luffy escaped rather than the world knowing about the void century

Especially since he got a taste of joyboys haki

[unique lagoon]

thats his whole thing
which he clearly failed
imagine if york dint work for WG
could have been worst for them

[maiden charm]

And wasn't that mercury who organized that whole thing ?

[unique lagoon]

wait maybe not
york not working for WG
might have stop VP broadcasting

[maiden charm]

The York betrayal

[buoyant comet]

Bro I fucking hate York if not for her we would have known who the D traitor was

[unique lagoon]

wait which one is this? bird guy?

[buoyant comet]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-mars-gif-2338512830559878199

[hearty shore]

there's no implication that vegapunk was gonna say traitor, was he?

[maiden charm]

Nah because she was working with the WG she was able to let them know where the snail was. They probably would've found it eventually but the broadcast would've finished. Yea I remember it was his voice when she first snitched

[buoyant comet]

Didn't he say among you D clans there's a traitor?

[hearty shore]

we don't even know what D do so if anything we could just assume this person would help CD's do their slavery gig and all if there was a traitor

[hearty shore]

no it got cut off right before vegapunk said who was among the D

[shadow vault]

No he didn't say anything about traitor

[buoyant comet]

I see must have misremembered

But it's probably a traitor tbf

[tidal onyx]

Yea the gorosei or more specifically the god head of science controls Uranus so garling now has it plus the motheflame

[maiden charm]

If Uranus was what destroyed lulusia, I don't think they have a say. Only Imu

[buoyant comet]

Aw hell naw he's about to nuke sabaody to get his get back on Rayleigh 😭

[maiden charm]

Saturn more than likely commissioned the mother flame tho, but I highly doubt he has jurisdiction over it

[tidal onyx]

Yea my biggest theory is that we are going to see it in elbaf now sort of like how the god valley flashback was teased in egghead but we got the full thing in elbaf

[unique lagoon]

i mean VP wont have done these preparation if york dint betray them in the first place
they still be chilling in egghead studying the void century gorosei wont know
now will VP still do a broadcast if that happened?

[maiden charm]

All the Gorosei seemed to have something to say when Imu ordered it's use on lulusia

[unique lagoon]

yeah they still give their insight

imu dint care tho

[maiden charm]

Fair fair fair, honestly it's tough with someone like VP. Like he probably wouldn't have done the broadcast as a main course of action but he definitely seems like one to make it as a contingency given how aware he is of the dangers with researching the void century.
They probably would've made much more progress if York didn't switch but the buster call was inevitable imo

[unique lagoon]

yep his life being in danger forced him to do these stuff

[maiden charm]

Vegapunk just seems like a plan b,c,d,etc kinda guy so betrayal or not I think the broadcast was going to happen eventually

York just fast forwarded everything

[unique lagoon]

you can argue he would have done a broadcast eventually
but not this early

[vital heart]

Real question

Why was the science and defense guy the one on God valley overseeing their hunting competition?

[unique lagoon]

it being a sudden thing in this time now is important

[maiden charm]

No definitely not this early. This was a fail safe whereas it would've been a reveal if things went right

[vital heart]

I feel like the godhead of justice would be most suited for the hunting competition, imo

no?

[tidal onyx]

Yea I felt like oda didn’t have reason he just wanted a grosei there more specifically Saturn

[unique lagoon]

see cuz saturn is the god of science and DEFENSE
HKs are under that
and HKs are participating in godvalley

[maiden charm]

Good point. I think it's the same as having a sponsor/overseer. Just needed one Gorosei to keep the families in check I imagine. Plus it's probably a huge security risk to have multiple there as well

[unique lagoon]

makes sense?

i agree that justice should be there dealing with the davy clan

[maiden charm]

No Gorosei there, and I could imagine the tensions would be high given the similar status between the 13 families

[unique lagoon]

but saturn was already there so they was like whatever

[muted hedge]

i find it strange that we didn't see a supreme-commander on God Valley

[tidal onyx]

I just want to know how they destroyed God valley because it wasn’t with Uranus

[muted hedge]

that implies that Garling is the only one who reached that rank

[unique lagoon]

im starting to doubt oda will give other gorosei the same spotlight as saturn
not counting garling ofc

[maiden charm]

Didn't it say from the battles was what cause gv to sink

[tidal onyx]

Nah we never got an answer to it really

Probably Imu

[unique lagoon]

maybe its fair to assume saturn is the longest running gorosei

[maiden charm]

Same. Saturn was us stepping into the real deplorable behavior of WG, now there's no reason to give that kinda exposition because we know what we're dealing with

[tidal onyx]

Nah I definitely think it’s jupeter

[vital heart]

what makes you believe hks to be under defense and not justice?

[muted hedge]

i think Topman and Nusjuro are the oldest gorosei

[unique lagoon]

thats the funny part they overlap

[tidal onyx]

We as the community for a long time thought he was the youngest and his name is really special

[vital heart]

i think thats warcury

[unique lagoon]

HKs can deal justice
and also act as soldiers for defense

[maiden charm]

Same or topman

[vital heart]

i think it was

warcury first, at the beginning of the vc

then nusjuro & mars around the same year or so, give or take a few

then it was saturn

then ju peter

then saturn got cut

now we have garling

[maiden charm]

Juu peter def the newest

[unique lagoon]

also garling the former HK commander became god of science and defense
aint that good enough reason that HK is under that position

[vital heart]

Warcury ~800 years ago
Nusjuro & Mars ~400 years ago
Saturn ~250-300 years ago
Ju Peter ~100-150 years ago
Garling ~Today

@unique lagoon @maiden charm thoughts?

[unique lagoon]

want to see more gorosei acting independently within their field

[tidal onyx]

Jupiter is 100% the oldest and here’s why

[vital heart]

This assumes there were other gorosei present at these different centuries, but it was just rotated

[unique lagoon]

i dont know how you got these numbers

[vital heart]

guesses

intuition you could say

[ruby moat]

they're hidden messages within the translations. the japanese language is very complex.

[tidal onyx]

Not only is jupeter name significant because Imu throne is based off St. Peter basilica he knows specific void century I for when the nika fruit awakened

[muted hedge]

i think that both Topman and Nusjuro stem from around the same time

[vital heart]

nah

i think u wrong

[dense haven]

any squrriel fans in chat

[unique lagoon]

if you think about if their ranks would have been relevant 800 years ago then science/defense and justice would be first ones cuz it was war time

@vital heart

[vital heart]

fair

[unique lagoon]

what is this warrior god translation

[cosmic hamlet]

Would izo and ashura death be more impactful if oda didn't do fakeout deaths? Atleast in wano

[vital heart]

so environment / agriculture / finance are not as immortant

[unique lagoon]

is that viz?

[muted hedge]

will Oda ever reveal the order of the gorosei

[vital heart]

this is tcb

viz did godhead

[unique lagoon]

seams very different

[dense haven]

godhead sounds funny

[vital heart]

The japanese for warrior god/godhead is 武神

[pulsar path]

I love how the throne kinda looks like it's the Grand line with the island spread all over

[vital heart]

This kanji translates to this:

So TCB wrote it as Warrior God

and Viz wrote it as Godhead

[unique lagoon]

warrior god makes sense i guess
since they are warriors

or fighters

all gorosei are former HK commander theory
kinda like that idea now

[muted hedge]

why didn't we see a supreme commander on God Valley

[cosmic hamlet]

Idk if this is AI or not

[muted hedge]

totally ai

[unique lagoon]

mf looks like a wizard staff

[tidal onyx]

Yea it’s supposed to show that as well for sure the grandline or laughtale. It also meant to refer to japans emperors Chrsythaneum throne

16 petals as well

The wg has a wierd thing with flowers

[dense pike]

you mean chrysanthemum?

[unique lagoon]

anime made it look like those are text writings

[tidal onyx]

Yea

[unique lagoon]

could have fooled me thinking this is a language

[tidal onyx]

I’m be real those are just scribbles

[muted hedge]

they kinda look like the infinity symbols but broken

[unique lagoon]

they look more like engraving in the manga

[muted hedge]

it's eerie how similair those weapons that Imu summoned looks like Yoru

like, even the dagger there looks like a miniature Yoru

[unique lagoon]

[tidal onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-monkey-d-luffy-thinking-think-interesting-gif-20107311

[dense haven]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-door-sora-sora-2-ai-gif-12515379536713602485

[rose rune]

I thought it was the guy saying "sora" at first.

old weeb gets attacked by exploding dog

[cosmic hamlet]

Holle

[shadow knoll]

don't let snod see this

[celest mauve]

AI

[stray prism]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-caption-gif-20205451

[iron oriole]

Is the dog okay though?

[ruby moat]

I don’t like the color of his insides.

[muted hedge]

blood

[tidal ice]

logia

[dense pike]

mmmm chicken nugget paste 🤤

[muted hedge]

https://fixupx.com/CourtneyEmmet/status/2006092116049432825/photo/2

emmet (@CourtneyEmmet)

Sketches

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FixupX · Dec 30, 2025, 7:56 PM

[rain cedar]

There's a lot of great Shamrock art

[muted hedge]

yeah

[rain cedar]

Seems to be popular among the artists for some reason

[muted hedge]

has a banging character design

[rain cedar]

It's the hair

[muted hedge]

https://fixupx.com/Eris21471224/status/2006056593306108177

Eris_ (@Eris21471224)

This was my first time drawing a mechanical arm, and it was fun!
︀︀Hope you like it even if it’s not exactly like in the anime
︀︀
︀︀@SanchezyBoi

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FixupX · Dec 30, 2025, 5:35 PM

[rain cedar]

Peak!?

[muted hedge]

https://x.com/MTcore_0201/status/2006261216042434991/photo/1

Might (@MTcore_0201)

Gunko
#ONEPIECE #Gunko #myart #fanart #artmoots

X · Dec 31, 2025, 7:08 AM

so much great art

https://fixupx.com/y5art/status/1999882025784975601/photo/1

Zoro (@y5art)

#ONEPIECE

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FixupX · Dec 13, 2025, 4:40 PM

[vital heart]

@frail kindle @rose rune Yo

I'm gonna head to bed now

See ya later

Thanks for chattin'

is what I would say if I chatted with you guys, decided to hop off the call, and head to bed right now.

[frail kindle]

anytime

[rose rune]

it was lovely hearing your beautiful voice

[craggy vapor]

It’s a travesty Sogeking didn’t show up post TS.

[craggy vapor]

does it matter if it’s AI or not? Y’all need to appreciate what AI can do for humanity.

[blazing depot]

https://tenor.com/view/terminator-game-face-robot-shoot-gif-5155042

[cosmic hamlet]

I don't like AI art

[muted hedge]

there's no one to give credit when it's ai

it's soulless

[craggy vapor]

ye but it’s not like people care

[muted hedge]

a lot of people do care

[cosmic hamlet]

I also care

Also its not about whether its good or not. There is no innovation or uniqueness in AI

Each artist have their own style of art

[craggy vapor]

that’s headcanon. As if people see art and research who made it just to send them an appreciation email.

[latent hamlet]

Ai is ruining the gaming industry and tech for useless trash slop

Ai is convincing people that actual artists arent worth anything

[blazing depot]

AI is gonna be shorthand for low quality real soon. Like the average person thinks that AI Coke ad was low quality trash. Not to mention the trash flooding Facebook

[cosmic hamlet]

You don't need to send mail if added credit? What are you talking? Some people follow them in social media if they know where the art came from

[cosmic hamlet]

Tbh, AI can be used in good ways but the society seems to care about stuff where the AI is not needed

[craggy vapor]

ye but that is like a super tiny minority. No “regular” person looks for art on the internet and goes out of their way to look for the artist and thank them.

[hearty shore]

AI needs to replace sue from HR

[latent hamlet]

I use Ai at work for database excel sheet stuff
The workplace wants me to so...
Saves time and effort for me as long as they arent getting rid of me

But Ai is also getting rid of jobs cuz its making people stupid enough to think Ai is capable of replacing people
So.....thats another issue

[craggy vapor]

Also AI is only as good as the person prompting them. I could never make good AI art because I suck at prompting.

[cosmic hamlet]

Its always better to share the link which directs it to the original artist post, but if you don't follow it atleast credit it

[latent hamlet]

Even if u dont credit the artist at all
Its better than accepting Ai art

[cosmic hamlet]

I mean, that is fine. Its not wrong to use AI on excel. Its just junk work

[muted hedge]

there's a reason why people ask if it's ai or not, given they want to have someone behind it who can recieve the credit for the art or whatever it is

when it's made by ai it just lacks soul and character, since you know that it's just someone who wrote a prompt and got the result there's no actual talent behind it, it's just writing a message for the computer to execute

[cosmic hamlet]

This is wrong thinking.

People can use AI to save time, doesn't mean AI should replace people. There should be manual intervention.

[warm fossil]

moustache has clearly been portrayed as gandhi's equal (if even that), he shouldn't be older

[ashen perch]

(I have been building a PC, trust me)

[latent hamlet]

Damn, few months too late

[ashen perch]

yeaaa lol

[muted hedge]

scalpers should be the bane of your existance

[latent hamlet]

There was a point I was like "....do I want 64 gb of ram? Seems unnecessary"

fast forward to now
"I should have bought it on principle"

[muted hedge]

it's impossible to find a graphic card at this point

at least at a reasonable price

[cosmic hamlet]

Is this post edited by AI?

[ashen perch]

no

its a classic poor photoshop job smh

[latent hamlet]

Im still rocking 32 gb of ddr5 which is perfectly fine but I should have anticipated this

[cosmic hamlet]

Its a joke 🥲

[ashen perch]

I atleast had secured one already, also got my ram but at double the price it was just a month ago

but yeah, its horrible

[latent hamlet]

Also lets not forget
Ai is what gets people thinking they should show off all the Robin x 5 elders stuff

[cosmic hamlet]

I don't have pc 🙃

[latent hamlet]

And those deserve the

[muted hedge]

i'm glad you got the foresight, lol
my friend is stuck in the market for a graphic card as they've all been scalped to hell and back

[cosmic hamlet]

Thats bad, you should make originals like this

[ashen perch]

well I was still too late unfortunately, the price hikes were already well underway when I ran to buy it

[urban lodge]

All this so they can make videos of old ladies dropping boulders and breaking glass bridges

[latent hamlet]

I think gpus havent increased in price too much but ye its getting rough

[ashen perch]

but atleast, I got it before they are going to get EVEN worse

[latent hamlet]

Wait what part of that Robin was that from?

Console development has also been slowed down i hear

[cosmic hamlet]

Its where sommers used his df and it turns out to be robin clone

[craggy vapor]

I don’t know anybody in real life who cares about giving artists credit. People are selfish, they take take and take because at the end of the day, what use is there for them to use time and effort just to credit artists? People in this discord/internet claim they care about giving artists credit because it feels good to convince one’s own self that you’re a good person. But when it comes down to it, when you need a piece of art for a project of yours or for whatever, you will just google it, take the art and leave tje artist uncredited. That’s unfortunately how it is. I have seen it with me and I have seen it with others.

[ashen perch]

and this is with a fictional character, which is ofc disgusting nonetheless but there's been horrific stories irl about this shit

[latent hamlet]

He actually did that?
Maybe i should reread elbaf ngl I kinda blanked out on the content

[cosmic hamlet]

The text is edited ofcourse

[latent hamlet]

Oh ik that i meant the origin of the Robin image

[latent hamlet]

Deepfakers deserve to get bonked
There is no room for discussion on this

[ashen perch]

yeah she was trying to take Sommers out of the fight, she jumped all the way from the Yggdrasil with her clone

[untold latch]

has bro been online for the past 12 hours?

[ashen perch]

Sommers being just able to hang on with one vine was kinda BS but whatever

[ashen perch]

no lol

[latent hamlet]

I gotta look at the fights again im drawing blanks

[ashen perch]

I just slept a good 6-7 hours and woke up

[muted hedge]

it's clear that we've got different views on it, so let's agree to disagree

[untold latch]

how many hours?

[craggy vapor]

btw, AI can also do music. I have a song that I listen to evey day that is based on a real song but AI made it better.

[untold latch]

https://tenor.com/view/pot-of-freak-pot-of-freak-freaky-gif-9356702538874188968

[hearty shore]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-67-scp-67-funyuns-funny-gif-75413186200073602

[ashen perch]

bro

[urban lodge]

Ai music lmao

[ashen perch]

WE ARE-

WE are Eustass Kidd hello

[untold latch]

good bait my child

[latent hamlet]

I swear you have to be one of those guys who sees anything and goes I cAn CoRRecT iT!

[hazy turret]

we are eustass kid
We carry poneglyphs

[untold latch]

we loose poneglyphs too?

[craggy vapor]

I don’t even know what you mean by that.

[cosmic hamlet]

Did you know that shanks mother is from eustass family?

[untold latch]

makes sense as to why Kidd is a fruad

[muted hedge]

such an underrated part of Elbaph

[latent hamlet]

Oh its completely upside down
Huh. Neat

[hazy turret]

Eustass is his first name wdym

[untold latch]

😭

[ashen perch]

we fight for the uh, harley
we honor his name

[hazy turret]

We fight for Victoria
We honor her death

[ashen perch]

true that works better

[craggy vapor]

That’s not bait. Y’all wouldn’t be able to distinguish AI music from real music. Spotify if full of that stuff.

[cosmic hamlet]

What no?

Japan go by Lastname Firstname basis

[hazy turret]

That doesn’t make sense why would the first name be last

[untold latch]

nah i would, dk abt these guys though, they're drones

[hazy turret]

It’s called first name

[cosmic hamlet]

Are you saying luffys first name is monkey?

[untold latch]

??????

[latent hamlet]

frieza would have a field day if he found out theres a whole family with the first name Monkey

[untold latch]

LMAO

[tidal ice]

True, are they stupid

[cosmic hamlet]

The first name and last name culture was introduced by americans i think.

Others follow given name and family name basis

[latent hamlet]

YOUUUUU MONKEYYYY

Luffy/Garp/Dragon: who? Me?

[hazy turret]

You get it

[untold latch]

dont drag the joke too much lil bro

[warm fossil]

oh brother

[ashen perch]

just you buddy

[hazy turret]

It most certainly is not an American thing

[muted hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/lol-freezer-frieza-freeza-laughing-gif-11930602

[untold latch]

family name comes first in a lot of east asia

[cosmic hamlet]

AI can do music?

[warm fossil]

unfortuantely yes

[untold latch]

yh pretty good too

[ashen perch]

it can steal music

[urban lodge]

It can certainly regurgitate some monstrosity

[cosmic hamlet]

idk i just gave it a guess because it sounded like american thing to do

[warm fossil]

i mean you ever hear of julius caeser

[untold latch]

there was a song awhile back that was like top 50 until ppl realized it was ai

[latent hamlet]

Americans probably would wanna take credit for first name last name

[craggy vapor]

Luffy D. Monkey has a different ring to it, hasn’t it?

[untold latch]

the New York financier?

[untold latch]

Luffy D. Monkey sounds like Luffy is a Monkey

[latent hamlet]

The guy who made the salad?

[hazy turret]

Fools

[warm fossil]

yeah

[craggy vapor]

exactly