also-manga

[ashen perch]

WCI was a solid adaptation in comparison to the other post ts arcs, but we had already accepted the status quo, that this is the best it would ever get.

[maiden saffron]

yep

[brittle basin]

https://tenor.com/view/monster-hunter-monster-hunter-wilds-palico-palico-mh-gif-11436515167386947176

[cloud adder]

leaked loki's DF form

[maiden saffron]

WCI was where it started shifting with the new character designer on board

[spice cairn]

Is this Loki?

[maiden saffron]

and some stand out animation sequences

but then Wano happened

[ashen perch]

yeahh

[brittle basin]

Sure, why not.

[rose rune]

yes

[ashen perch]

Wano was just a total shift

[placid shadow]

and it was just a weekly show

[ashen perch]

and then now here we are, the anime is going fully seasonal yea

[brittle basin]

for a split second I thought you said "total shit" and was going to reply with "Spice?"

[spice cairn]

The anime being seasonal is such big news, and if im being honest, the best thing to happen to the series going forward

This is such a big improvement for everyone involved.

[rose rune]

https://tenor.com/view/big-neck-meme-gif-2978739765351806216

[ashen perch]

I remember when I was like a baby anime watcher and I would ask fellow fans "um why doesnt it just go seasonal like XY&Z??"

and I would be hit by well, very justified answers about how it would never happen

[spice cairn]

I mean tbf this is the final parts of the story

So theyre going to amp it up by going seasonal

[brittle basin]

"Final"

[ashen perch]

well this still wouldnt have ever happened

[brittle basin]

10 years later....

[placid shadow]

even when it was weekly the staff schedule was healthy and the animators were having fun

[spice cairn]

Tbf I think its such a good thing regardless

[buoyant comet]

I'm lowkey disappointed. I don't think i can wait till 2027 to see rocks. At this rate one piece anime might end at 2040 if they keep adapting 1:1

[ashen perch]

worldwide popularity is the biggest factor here, the series just blew up so much and they realized that such a model is still sustainable and they dont have to keep it running every week to keep the lights on for themselves

[brittle basin]

real fans choose the manga

[spice cairn]

I mean I understand being disappointed but being a One Piece requires you to be resilient to long waits.

[ashen perch]

The remake is even crazier because even the idea of a One Piece "Kai" was ridiculed at one point

[placid shadow]

they will just catch up to the manga faster and then what

[maiden saffron]

yeah

[spice cairn]

I mean you also sort of consider how successful the seasonal route is.

[maiden saffron]

they got a taste of newfound popularity worldwide and especially among more young people

[placid shadow]

real fans do both

[brittle basin]

Well, that Kai has been demonized 'cause of DBZ. But they never actually remade the damn thing just tried to officially tone the run time down.

[spice cairn]

To the point where long term weekly productions like this couldn't just ignore it.

[buoyant comet]

Wdym and then what 😭 I'm not asking them to move at the speed of light I'm saying that the gap shouldn't be this large

[maiden saffron]

and they decided to greenlight such projects

the live action, despite mixed opinions was extremely successful too

[buoyant comet]

The one piece will get animated 5 years after it's reveal at this rate

[brittle basin]

https://tenor.com/view/disgust-disgusting-puke-vomit-eww-gif-19262390

[spice cairn]

Me watching vs me reading

#RelatablePieceQuotez

[trim lily]

oh the lillith stuff was this ep too

[spice cairn]

Yeah

[buoyant comet]

My god bro why is ussop so white 😭

[brittle basin]

When is Lilith bringing her Vegastein to life?

[ashen perch]

yeah but the idea of it even happening at all, we werent against it, we just thought it wouldnt until atleast long after the series is already over. But now theres a full ass modern properly paced remake in production!!

[spice cairn]

Cyborg Punk to save Eblaf?

[pine ridge]

It's genuinely uncanny

[placid shadow]

he has always been light skinned

[pine ridge]

he looks weird

[buoyant comet]

Sure

[ashen perch]

they considered the weekly to be more successful, that was the biggest obstacle

[brittle basin]

He's my favorite African character.

[ashen perch]

the weekly model consistently running every week, that was ideal to Toei. They did DBS like that for the same reason.

[spice cairn]

That feels a bit stubborn though yeah? Im not an anime nerd so maybe that was tonedeaf

[placid shadow]

fuji tv was also part of it, they couldn't take off the tv slot

[spice cairn]

But im moreso coming from what feels a bit more structurally better considering some of the more popular series got a very good run out of seasonal

[ashen perch]

they were being stubborn for a while, this whole move is kind of coming out of nowhere

[maiden saffron]

from the interviews with WIT it also implies that its a long term thing

[ashen perch]

like no one really felt it coming, but they finally let go of it

[maiden saffron]

instead of just trying to siphon people into the manga or the main anime

[spice cairn]

It was about time personally

I think its to catch new audiences I presume

Or partially the reason

[ashen perch]

it is yea, they mentioned that in the stream

[spice cairn]

I personally don't mind this.

[ashen perch]

to keep up with modern times or whatever

[spice cairn]

I think itll work out very well

[trim lily]

the weekly model is pretty outdated for non-kids anime nowadays

[ashen perch]

oh for sure, I think they will go all the way with it

[spice cairn]

I assume they kind of wanted to keep it on a TV timeslot

But I guess theres stuff coming that'll occupy it.

[trim lily]

it is a bit surprising they’re giving up their sunday morning time slot

[placid shadow]

only pokemon and detective conan are still weekly 💔

[maiden saffron]

the fact that toei is also involved with the production does also matter

[ashen perch]

I dont think the seasonal shift for Toei is going to majorly increase the pace, so WIT will continue to be much faster in comparison.

[spice cairn]

Pokemon will save the Sunday timeslot

Get ready for your weekly dose of Charizard slop

[trim lily]

the one piece fan to pokemon fan exodus

[ashen perch]

Luffy's VA mentioned that the pace was so fast that she felt really different working on it lol, so thats one indicator

[maiden saffron]

yeah that's both good and bad for me

cant say much until we get more info about it but i was hoping for a new VA

[trim lily]

so is she reprising it or is she not

[maiden saffron]

its good that the pace is fast that she wanted to work on it

[trim lily]

i feel like we got two very different answers recently

[ashen perch]

well, she never said that she worked on it as Luffy, sandman made some assumptions

[maiden saffron]

but i hope its not as luffy still ...

yeah

[ashen perch]

we will see

[maiden saffron]

cause it can also sound like "oh it was just a nice fast little proejct where i won'

have to work for a long time"

[spice cairn]

Didnt she say she doesnt want to be involved with Wit or am I confusing that for something else

[maiden saffron]

which can imply that its a shortsighted project atm

[ashen perch]

like what if she is just like, uh, Alvida or something

the OG VAs cameoing like that would be fun

[trim lily]

she will be playing the role of captain morgan

[ashen perch]

hype

[trim lily]

a brand new take on the characters you love

[hazy echo]

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[ashen perch]

she said she wanted younger VAs, and that it was an interesting and different experience working on it

its hard to say what exactly she meant

its a very vague line

[cloud adder]

whats the source for Tanaka talking about WIT?

[ashen perch]

jump festa

[cloud adder]

oh

[hazy echo]

This JF I think

[ashen perch]

`Luffy voice actress said that she had hoped young people would get involved in the new onepeice remake, and when it actually came to doing it, she found it very interesting.

From the way it looks, she should have participated in the voice acting for the remake, but she did not directly say that she voiced Luffy.`

[cloud adder]

hmmmm sounds like they might have casted VAs in their 30s or something instead of completely fresh VAs

[ashen perch]

What Mayumi-san said was, "I had hoped for the use of newcomers, but when it actually came to doing it, the pace was faster than usual animations, and it was fun to perform. I thought it was good that I did it."

and here's what she exactly said

[trim lily]

30s is fairly young

[cloud adder]

ok yeah, so they probably casted some well known VAs that arent super young but arent super old

[pine ridge]

not if the series lasts 40 years

[cloud adder]

WIT Piece should only go for like 15 years max right?

[ashen perch]

it could take 30 years

[brittle basin]

WIT can get done even faster by removing filler such as Law and Kidd.

[pine ridge]

if it's weekly maybe

[vital heart]

wit piece shouldnt start production til the manga ends, imo.

agree?

[trim lily]

no

[pine ridge]

nah

[trim lily]

actually i dont care either way

[cloud adder]

they can condense quite a bit tho, and arc lengths range a fair amount

[trim lily]

i probably wont be watching it anyway lol

[brittle basin]

Meek translates the manga. I take his opinion as gospel.

[trim lily]

meek is single handedly responsible for your one piece reading experience

[cloud adder]

ive become stephen-paul-pilled

[red lagoon]

why

[vital heart]

lowkirkenuinely

[ashen perch]

Lets say 26 episodes is adapting like 78 chapters, with a 3 chapter per episode pace
if they go at that pace every year then yeah 15 would be enough

[vital heart]

bad

[wraith mantle]

meek is imu and stephen paul is joyboy

[blazing depot]

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X · Dec 28, 2025, 11:18 AM

[vital heart]

its better

[blazing depot]

Zoro LA knows ball

[wraith mantle]

meek always tweaks out when someone mentions stephen paul

[cloud adder]

he's a W yapper tho

[red lagoon]

how

[cloud adder]

this is like $5k

[blazing depot]

Stephen is the teacher, Meek is the student

[ashen perch]

but there's probably going to be breaks between each seasons, which could stretch it to atleast 20 years

[dapper tree]

Meek is just always tweekin

[scarlet nacelle]

just had a thought
mark hamil would make an elite joker voice actor for the english translation

[maiden saffron]

how many episodes for a remake covering up to chapter 1170

[wraith mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-imu-imu-one-piece-world-government-crown-gif-11226116781559785824

bitch ass gunko

[red lagoon]

oh fuck no

[ashen perch]

like 400

[cloud adder]

about 501

[red lagoon]

i forgot op long as shit

[trim lily]

if we do 3-4 chaps an episode then only around 330

[maiden saffron]

my guess is around 360 - 400

[pine ridge]

over 500 I'd guess

[dapper tree]

Under

[maiden saffron]

i think a 4 chap average is too much

probs

[vital heart]

hopefully like 150-300 eps. i want each ep to cover ~5 chapters, personally.

[trim lily]

its not that bad

[vital heart]

5-6 chapters

[cloud adder]

do yall think WIT Piece will adapt cover stories?

[maiden saffron]

can we mute this guy?

[ashen perch]

I think they could do East Blue in a whole first season of 26 episodes, with a 4 chapter per ep pace, but later chapters start to get too dense

[dapper tree]

I wish

[placid shadow]

2 chapters MAX, one piece chapters are too much dense in information

[red lagoon]

nigga u the one wit perms

[dapper tree]

Not all

[maiden saffron]

true ...

[blazing depot]

I think the reality is that One Piece is specifically a non-union dub, so a lot of “big names” probably wouldn’t act in it or think it’s “beneath them”

[vital heart]

no

[thorn vigil]

So will all the 2025 chapters be adopted into the 2026 anime season?

[dapper tree]

Average 3 chapters per episode

[red lagoon]

2 chaoters is no point of readapting it

[dapper tree]

Some more, some less

[maiden saffron]

you know honestly

[scarlet nacelle]

damn too bad

[blazing depot]

Like Bryan Cranston doing dubs in the 90s was more of a thing you get out of doing before finding success

[cloud adder]

i hope WIT piece isnt too rushed tho, its nice to let certain scenes and dialogue breathe

[maiden saffron]

300 episodes isn't a WHOLE lot ...

[ashen perch]

4 chapters per ep in East Blue, Alabasta and Skypiea
3 chapters per ep in all the later arcs

that would make sense

[cloud adder]

the one piece fan energy is crazy

[ashen perch]

post Skypiea is where each chapter gets REALLY dense

[thorn vigil]

Anime is 15 months behind where the current manga is

[maiden saffron]

we're basically looking at 3 runs of my hero academia ...

[cloud adder]

15 months??

[maiden saffron]

Possible i think

as long as they make a shit ton of money

which they will if its decent

[red lagoon]

idk how it cant be decent its just op but better animation and faster paced

its a recipe for success

[thorn vigil]

I'm guessing the 2026 season could end with the start of the Rocks flashback.

[pine ridge]

yeah. like seeing water 7 for the first time. I dont want to just see 2 seconds of it and be forced to pause to really take it in. cause at that point you might as well read the manga

[maiden saffron]

Hopefully yeah but

[vital heart]

post timeskip*

[maiden saffron]

it needs to have good direction, the manga adaptation needs to be on point for some of the big moments

good voice acting performance, good music and all that

[vital heart]

I can see 5-6 chapters per ep until timeskip

Post timeskip: 3-4 chapters per ep.

Thoughts?

[maiden saffron]

otherwise it'll just be compared to death with the original with some people saying don't watch it

which... i think will happen anyway

[ashen perch]

Meek have you even seen a 2nd anime

[maiden saffron]

but if its not good, that's gonna happen a lot more lol

[red lagoon]

5-6 is crazy amount

[vital heart]

Not in a while. I watched JJK and Demon Slayer with my mom though, if that counts?

[ashen perch]

"5-6" this isnt Tokyo Ghoul

[thorn vigil]

Guessing the flashback ends in 1171 and we return to present time.

[ashen perch]

which btw, massacred the manga

[placid shadow]

law vs blackbeard was 1 chapter, and they made the whole episode about it, more action if it was more chapters the fight would've ended in 5 minutes lol

[red lagoon]

jjk adapts 2-3 chapters per episode

[ashen perch]

the normal pacing is 2-3 chapters, 4 in some cases

[placid shadow]

because dont get me wrong, literally all that matters is the fights really, its a shounen

[ashen perch]

4 is the standard for Jojo's and they did like, 800 chapters in 200 episodes

but thats rare

[red lagoon]

true more chapters per episode leaves less to be added

[vital heart]

Yeah we should do 4 for OP then too. Get 1200 chapters in 300 eps.

[thorn vigil]

How many of SBR will air in March

[vital heart]

Anything slower than that and I wont accept it

[red lagoon]

raf u making me think now

if they have more chaps per episode u have to stay more true to the manga

[ashen perch]

gotta be 4 cours, like 48 episodes

[ashen perch]

this is a terrible idea for any arc after Skypiea

[native tapir]

So how many episodes yearly now

[blazing depot]

My thoughts on Wit Piece is that it’s largely unnecessary. Like just recut One Piece like DBZ Kai with animation corrections and new animation if needed

[ashen perch]

and even worse after post ts

[blazing depot]

One Piece getting a remake before more deserving anime is insane tbh

[maiden saffron]

one piece deserves an anime more than most

a remake

[blazing depot]

Greed

[ashen perch]

One Piece is the biggest anime on the planet at the moment, that is what they are thinking of

[native tapir]

Only issue is VA

[red lagoon]

the pacing of the anime

is abysmall

[placid shadow]

one piece fans really are greedy lol

[native tapir]

And pacing

[red lagoon]

i see why they doing it

[maiden saffron]

do you have any idea how frustratingly bad one piece is after a certain point?

[ashen perch]

Oda gave it away in his statement lol, they are making this for the worldwide audience

[maiden saffron]

in terms of pacing its everything after alabasta

[blazing depot]

Yes and a recut would solve it! You don’t need to remake!

[maiden saffron]

and in terms of art, its everything after sabaody

[dapper tree]

A remake is better

[maiden saffron]

nah i dont think its possible to just recut the anime to save it lol

a modern remake is 100% better

[blazing depot]

I don’t think you know what a bad anime is

[tranquil blade]

Yes but there's this thing called making money and toei loves it

[red lagoon]

a recut will end up being half of it cut might aswell give it some new animation

[maiden saffron]

i know what it is

and its the one piece anime

[native tapir]

Icl, I can’t imagine remake pre time skip being as funny as the original

[maiden saffron]

its great early on

[placid shadow]

wdym about this

[blazing depot]

Watch OPM season 3 then com back

[maiden saffron]

and has been better as of recently

[ashen perch]

someone already did a recut anyways, and its not exactly an ideal way to experience the series

[blazing depot]

You’ll be grateful

[vital heart]

This is why you have no input on WIT Piece but I will, some day.

[red lagoon]

u think the op art is bad?

[maiden saffron]

how about i don't compare trash vs garbage and say they're both bad

[vital heart]

We need faster pacing

[maiden saffron]

Fishman Island is where it's completely apparent

[ashen perch]

they gain nothing from just making an official One Pace, this is different

[vital heart]

Faster pacing directly correlates with higher viewers due to poor attention span of society nowadays.

[vital heart]

We need 5-6 chapters per ep.

[placid shadow]

sabaody up to marineford was the best art wise

[maiden saffron]

the artstyle of the one piece anime was completely lost at a certain point

[dapper tree]

might be too much

[red lagoon]

5-6 is too much

[maiden saffron]

and they've only fixed that as of recently

[tranquil blade]

2 chapters an episode should still work throughout the series aside from some very dense parts of the manga

[ashen perch]

Meek again, please watch a single episode of anime

[vital heart]

1200 chapters in 200-300 eps would be chefs kiss smokes a cigarette in the rain

[maiden saffron]

oh yeah i meant the timeskip in general

[dapper tree]

not enough

[rose rune]

true

[maiden saffron]

not sure why i said sabaody

[red lagoon]

5-6 is double the average anime speed

[dapper tree]

3-4

[ashen perch]

2-3 is the anime standard

[maiden saffron]

1200 chapters in 200 episodes

[placid shadow]

67

[vital heart]

@ashen perch

[maiden saffron]

are you insane

[ashen perch]

4 is supposed to be WILD

[dapper tree]

We can do 4 for chaps that are mostly fights

[tranquil blade]

At this point just watch a youtube summary

[placid shadow]

what about the people that don't have poor attention span

[vital heart]

Bro most one piece chapters in pre-timeskip are nothing burgers. Reread thriller bark for example.

Post timeskip I guess we can slow it down to 3-4 chapters though.

[placid shadow]

wikiread atp

[vital heart]

Dressrosa is an amazing arc but also so slow.

[tranquil blade]

"slow it down" "3-4 chapters"

Now that's something

[vital heart]

You guys should re-watch Onigashima to really understand how bad 1 chapter per episode is. That's absurdly slow. Painfully slow.

[dapper tree]

meek doesn't understand things

[ashen perch]

dude I dont think you realize how fast 3-4 chapters already are lol, how much gets cut from the manga when they do 4

[tranquil blade]

Yes 1 chapter per episode sucks

[red lagoon]

5-6 is dummy fast

[dapper tree]

I was abouta say, you can't be telling people to reread

[tranquil blade]

2 chapters per episode maybe 3 is fine

[placid shadow]

i think you dont know what is 2 chapters of one piece lol

[dapper tree]

2 is too slow

3

[ashen perch]

One Piece fans have only known the issue of "they are stretching everything out"

they dont know the pain of "they cut so much"

[tranquil blade]

4+ can definitely start to be problematic

[red lagoon]

i think it should be 3 chapters per episode

[placid shadow]

1015 was less than 1 chapter and guess what

[ashen perch]

I think if you go past 3, the cutting problem starts to show up

[dapper tree]

3 is the best number

[ashen perch]

you really cant go past 3 without really cutting down on stuff, usually

[vital heart]

Let's take a look.

Chapter 1169 and 1170 of Elbaf really cover 1 event: the Castle Incident. Does this really need 2 episodes? No. I think this can be fit into less than 1 episode.

It all flows really quickly because ultimately its just Harald throwing a tantrum, some dialogue between Shanks, Gaban and Jarul. And Loki fighting at the end with a nice side-story with Ragnir for a couple minutes.

Is this really worth one FULL episode?

Come on.

@tranquil blade

[red lagoon]

3 chaters woukd be fine cause u have to account for op having more episodes by the time ts even come out

[tranquil blade]

I think this is worth a full episode yes

[red lagoon]

not every episode is gonna have action itll still be a long anime even with more chapters

[placid shadow]

you can adapt less chapters and it still have good pacing, in terms of how the episode runs from start to end

crazy right?

[vital heart]

1170 literally had 2 conversations + a fight montage + a brief interaction with the hammer. That is not worth half an episode @tranquil blade

[ashen perch]

meek, I want you to explain how you adapt the last 5 chapters into one episode

[vital heart]

Well

[tranquil blade]

HALF?

[vital heart]

Let me check 1165 out

[dapper tree]

Meek, don't make a fool of yourself

[red lagoon]

if op did 5 chapters per episode at 1170 op would be the same length as og naruto

[dapper tree]

again

[red lagoon]

i cant even imagine that

[rose rune]

are you counting the fillers?

[tranquil blade]

Meek you could maybe fit part of 1168 in there, but like let's be honest

[ashen perch]

yeah no its ridiculous and meek doesnt believe it at all

[red lagoon]

ye

[rose rune]

I still have nightmares of the smelling beetle

[ashen perch]

but yea, 3 is the ideal number

cant go wrong with 3

[placid shadow]

fillers are like 10% lol

[dapper tree]

Meek be like "I can read the chapters in 3 mins so 5 chapters will be a 15 min episode"

[rose rune]

in naruto?

[maiden saffron]

its like 45%

[red lagoon]

ts like 50% filler lol

[placid shadow]

i was talking abt op

[red lagoon]

oh

ye op is like 10%

[rose rune]

probably

[placid shadow]

op 10% naruto 50% lol

[blazing depot]

5 chapters per 20 minute episode is a breakneck pace

[rose rune]

we chose the correct anime

even tho I don't like the anime all that much

[red lagoon]

idek what id prefer tho

[blazing depot]

Also not all chapters map to the same pace. Like denser chapters filled with dialogue are gonna take longer, while chapters that are mostly action are gonna be quicker

[placid shadow]

back in the day we had filler ARCS

[red lagoon]

some naruto fillers would be like over a year long

[blazing depot]

Filler arcs lol

[tranquil blade]

Filler arcs are luckily mostly dead now

[red lagoon]

im glad i wasnt around for those weekly times

[rose rune]

oh boy, I sure wonder what the horsefish is up to

[royal orchid]

I haven't actually watched one piece anime apart from randomly popping in rob streams here in a while

[red lagoon]

i have the choice to skip filler or just wait like 1 week

[tranquil blade]

Truly an atrocity on anime

[blazing depot]

I remember seeing a video where a lawyer brought up Bount Arcs in her defense case since they “lead to nothing”

[dapper tree]

The bount arc?????

[red lagoon]

i think that was young thugs

[dapper tree]

the best filler arc

[placid shadow]

bleach had filler arcs too right?

[dapper tree]

yes

[red lagoon]

yes

[dapper tree]

the bounts were one of them

lol

[blazing depot]

https://youtu.be/6jUWTBfXUys?si=D4eCV4TewMAtal0f

[red lagoon]

thug was getting hit wit a rico case and his lawyer talking about bleach

[tranquil blade]

They all had filler arcs back then, even one piece has a handful but they werent nearly as long

[royal orchid]

bount arc was the best skip I've ever skipped

[rose rune]

I watched up until I caught up in water 7, watched some of enies, quit one piece for several years because of the pacing and a random filler

[blazing depot]

Remember in OG Naruto where the back half is 99% filler

[red lagoon]

i never felt op had bad pacing till like after timeskip

[rose rune]

then I started reading the manga

[dapper tree]

same here

[tranquil blade]

Genuinely this is the best time to watch anime unless you're an opm fan

[blazing depot]

Imagine being a kid watching Cartoon Network and seeing these Naruto fillers airing wasting your time

[dapper tree]

the timesskip hurted

[royal orchid]

you missed the egregious dressrosa experience?? nahh you gotta go watch it

[red lagoon]

im glad the filler arcs got abandoned

but i guess long animes in general did

[stone terrace]

Op and bleach have opposite philosophies

[rose rune]

I'm glad I missed it

[red lagoon]

its all seasonal so now space for filler

[placid shadow]

i never felt op had bad pacing at all

[stone terrace]

Bleach has like several filler arcs over 15 episodes in length

[placid shadow]

i really enjoyed everything

[red lagoon]

fr??

[stone terrace]

One piece bakes in the filler by cooking its pacing with reaction shots and flashbacks etc

Which is much worse in my opinion

[red lagoon]

i think in dressrossa is where i said fuck no ts is slow

and i read the manga and watched the fights

[odd rune]

luckily?? smh

fake fan

[dapper tree]

I did that during fmi

[odd rune]

real fans know the filler arcs are actually fire

[tranquil blade]

I did not watch G8

[red lagoon]

then when i caught up during wano i just started fully reading the manga

i dont watch filler im ngl

[rose rune]

I did try to watch from Zou, but the episode where a boy tried to yell at an elephant for the entirety of the episode duration made me give up again

[royal orchid]

when I skipped a handful episodes and they were somehow still fighting pica I knew it was bad

[odd rune]

okay the pre-ts filler arcs are fire

[red lagoon]

before i knew what filler was i watched too many ass filler i didnt have to

[odd rune]

everything post-ts is just a movie tie in

snore

[ashen perch]

with 26 episode seasons, and somewhere below 4 chapters per ep pre ts could look something like

Season 1 - East Blue
Season 2 - Alabasta
Season 3 - Skypiea + LRLL
Season 4 - Water 7 + Enies Lobby
Season 5 - Post EL + TB + Sabaody + Amazon Lily
Season 6 - Impel Down + Marineford + Post Marineford

Which could work I think

[placid shadow]

that one dragon filler arc 🔥 post loguetown

[red lagoon]

then when i learnt what filler was i said fuck ts

[ocean totem]

no no arsal

Season 1 was the last 1146 episodes

[ashen perch]

lmao

[vital heart]

Arsal

Tell me this

[tranquil blade]

Season 1 really has everything doesnt it

[vital heart]

How many chapters was just adapted in the most recent OP ep that came out today

[odd rune]

season 1 is finally ending after 26 years

[placid shadow]

that one filler in loguetown where the bar old dude sees roger in luffy

[ashen perch]

gonna tell my friends to just watch ONE season of One Piece

[royal orchid]

gender me this arsal

[placid shadow]

that gives me the chills

[cloud adder]

oooh, so this is the angle, i understand now

[red lagoon]

no excuse now

[ashen perch]

I believe less than 2

[red lagoon]

fuck telling them 1000 episodes just gonna say 1 season

[rose rune]

80% of anime onlies think it's canon to this day

[royal orchid]

oh I forgot about that scene

[cloud adder]

oda would probably make it canon, its peak filler

[red lagoon]

as soon as i learned what filler was i been skipping ts

[placid shadow]

ask d. question was also filler and he's iconic

[cloud adder]

50/50 chance on your loss

[royal orchid]

G8 was funny

[cloud adder]

babysitter zoro filler was cute

[rose rune]

I managed to skip most fillers because I could smell them the moment the episodes started

[red lagoon]

man idc sitting through ass filer thinking i had to watch it done something to me

[ocean totem]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-g8-g-8-g-8-marines-gif-14366033670255886591

[royal orchid]

I skipped every filler originally though

[ashen perch]

the Loguetown filler is kind of weird because theres stuff that Oda had to cut because he wanted to get to the Grandline by Chapter 100. Daddy Masterson is kinda canon, so maybe the old man is too

[cloud adder]

i watched all the filler on my first watch

[red lagoon]

the amount of hours i spent on shit i didnt have to watch...

if only i knew...

[blazing depot]

Ok granted it’s a cool scene

[tranquil blade]

Idk if I'm ever gonna end up watching G8

[blazing depot]

Not all filler is bad tbh

[red lagoon]

i heard g8 is peak

maybe ill watch it

[blazing depot]

Like a very slim percentage but you know what I mean

[cloud adder]

there is some REALLY atrocious filler tho

[digital spear]

You dont "have to" watch anything

[tranquil blade]

I actually thought this was canon for years

I was sad when I found out it wasnt

[vital heart]

Its not canon avery

[red lagoon]

i rarely ever skip shit tho so to me it felt like i had to

[odd rune]

G8 is good but johnathan thinking he is the smartest man in the entire universe got kinda old 😭

[tranquil blade]

Yeah thank you sherlock meek

[royal orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/inspector-sheperd-onepiece-g8-condoriano-gif-9616276939384561671

[blazing depot]

Also doesn’t Loguetown have the unique situation where it was rushed in the manga to get to chapter 100, so some filler might be canon?

[rose rune]

you get a sense for it if you've watched enough anime. the characters suddenly become a lot more simple, reduced to their gags, and start suggesting random shit to start another adventure

[odd rune]

it got weird after the fourth contingency plan

[cloud adder]

yes

[vital heart]

what contingency plan

[blazing depot]

Like Daddy the father is technically canon cuz it’s cut content

[red lagoon]

now i can tell filler instantly

[odd rune]

you'd think he just does something himself at some point

[red lagoon]

i lwokey blame bleach and naruto for me skipping filler

nah highkey

its all there fault

[placid shadow]

they actually show how where the ship lands from the fall from skypiea

in the middle of the base of g8 lol

[blazing depot]

Honestly the canon episodes of Naruto are paced fine, you just skip the filler

[cloud adder]

i think some of the Shanks and Yasopp stuff from the Daddy episode isnt Oda's writing tho so its an extra weird filler-canon mix

[rose rune]

oh fuck. I just noticed how late it was

I need to sleep

[cloud adder]

its only 7pm brah

[red lagoon]

bruh

[rose rune]

it's 1:30 am

[tranquil blade]

Naruto is fine now that it's over, I could not imagine watching weekly and hitting a filler arc

[cloud adder]

still pretty early

[red lagoon]

fr

[cloud adder]

4am is when you gotta call it

[red lagoon]

im so glad filler arcs are basically dead

[royal orchid]

this is literally the same as the Nami Vivi gif I keep posting lmao

https://tenor.com/view/nami-vivi-namvivi-one-piece-jadestash-gif-17386765783379609205

[red lagoon]

everything is seasonal

[cloud adder]

i wish toei invested in good filler

[rose rune]

maybe if I worked night shifts

[red lagoon]

the hting about op

[cloud adder]

whats your wake up time?

[red lagoon]

it has the material for fillers

the cover stories

[rose rune]

when I'm going to work I wake up at 6:15 am

[cloud adder]

those ramen highschool AU commericals were cooking too

[royal orchid]

you want shanks filler?

[red lagoon]

ts so cold

[tranquil blade]

Isnt that just Uta stuff

[cloud adder]

NO LMAO film red made it clear shanks filler cant be trusted

[tranquil blade]

[placid shadow]

if you count added action as filler

[royal orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/two-people-laughing-on-table-laugh-laughing-lol-gif-3006610283817764608

[tranquil blade]

If we all forget about Uta she wont exist anymore

[placid shadow]

extended action

[cloud adder]

Uta is showing up when we return to present time

[royal orchid]

I think we need an uta filler arc for this toei break guys

[cloud adder]

Uta one-shots Imu

[unique lagoon]

so how does this explain how this former gorosei took the FMI red stone

kinda late but might aswell ask now

[cloud adder]

omg actually tho, Uta starts playing a song and lures the Gunko shell into her sing-sing world and traps imu's soul as a result, ez work

[ashen perch]

just like anyone would

[tranquil blade]

I wouldnt mind Uta if they didnt try to include her so much into Luffy's childhood life but also the movie kinda necessitates it

[royal orchid]

oh no canon sing-sing fruit

[unique lagoon]

thats always been a big question
if neptune or any FMI character knows how the final stone was taken
hey good thing jinbe is with luffy guy might know something

[royal orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/uta-uta-one-piece-one-piece-one-piece-film-red-halloween-gif-27014214

[cloud adder]

we've got vegapunk on elbaf to hijack all the dendens again, the setup is so obvious

https://tenor.com/view/uta-christmas-uta-christmas-anime-happy-gif-27297274

[royal orchid]

the final battle happens on sing sing fruit world

[cloud adder]

just replace tot musica with imu

[tranquil blade]

If Uta appears in the manga we're gonna get people saying to replace Brook with her as crew musician

It'll be so cooked

[cloud adder]

me ong

[unique lagoon]

brook uta and apoo will be having a concert ontop of redline

EOS

[cloud adder]

but she could just join shanks when shanks and luffy reunite

[royal orchid]

she'll have to get past the shanks crew musician

Monster.

[tranquil blade]

Uta is the graggle simpson of one piece

[unique lagoon]

wait is that real? thats rogers musician?

[cloud adder]

whos talking about roger 😭

[tranquil blade]

No that's Shanks' musician

[royal orchid]

the famous Roger pirates crew members bonk punch and monster

[tranquil blade]

Who was the musician for the Roger pirates?

[cloud adder]

oda said we're not ready for Roger musician, just his torturer

[royal orchid]

Jackson Banner

[cloud adder]

I CANT FIND THE MONSTER GIF

[tranquil blade]

That sounds like a fake name but thats probably a real guy

Wow

[royal orchid]

this is an awesome image btw

[ashen perch]

yeah its the g5 guy

[cloud adder]

oh, didnt realize we actually got that info

[ocean totem]

"Torturer"

[cloud adder]

spencer is too pretty

[ashen perch]

hmm

[tranquil blade]

I see the inclusion of a very specific man

[ashen perch]

🐘

[cloud adder]

BULLET SNEAK 😭

[royal orchid]

bean look down

[tranquil blade]

Look at the bottom right of the image

[royal orchid]

that's the first result image

that's so funny

[ocean totem]

Ah yes, Cook, the bullet of the Roger pirates

[royal orchid]

you can tell it was high effort

[tranquil blade]

It would be really funny if Oda just snuck movie characters in the background sometimes

[royal orchid]

he did that on god valley

[tranquil blade]

Please Oda sneak Zephyr in there somewhere

[royal orchid]

with the strong world guy

[tranquil blade]

I hate you

[cloud adder]

MOON Isaac JR
be ready for THE moon isaac in a future flashback yall

[tranquil blade]

Dont talk on the Golden Lion like that

[ashen perch]

https://x.com/nobuchi0503/status/2005284988628115651?s=20

ノブチ (@nobuchi0503)

#今週のアニワン #大海賊時間
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X · Dec 28, 2025, 2:29 PM

[cloud adder]

shiki was peak comedy, at least shikibros will always have that

[ashen perch]

they have done it again

its so peak...

I like how Saturn has a reaction shot to Saturn burning alive

[tranquil blade]

It's because he's alive

[cloud adder]

garling smoking the saturn pack while everyone is grieving lmao

[royal orchid]

his soul already in hell watching that shit

[tranquil blade]

Count the teeth fellas

Venus aurafarming still

[royal orchid]

the teeth don't forget about the teeth

https://tenor.com/view/dont-forget-the-quarter-dutch-vanderline-arthur-morgan-lenny-summers-quarter-gif-4826802247129632050

[ashen perch]

wait they are a Garl v Sanji believer too

because I swear Sanji has the same pose in that double spread

lemme check

[tranquil blade]

I dont think it means anything about matchups

[ashen perch]

it does actually

[tranquil blade]

I think whoever made it just put those guys in those spots because it felt right idk

[cloud adder]

HUH??

[tranquil blade]

It does not 😭

[ashen perch]

because Nusjuro is doing the Zoro stoic gimmick

[cloud adder]

garling v sanji?? why do you want sanji to die 😭

[tranquil blade]

Well because he's a swordsman

and swordsmen are stoic assholes half the time

[ashen perch]

yeah, they are a Garling is the Gorosei Sanji believer

based.......

[stone terrace]

Too?

[ashen perch]

I believe in it

[grand flower]

Can you imagine if we think we’re seeing Devon and it’s just him fr

[ashen perch]

there are atleast a dozen of us

[cloud adder]

pls explain

[tranquil blade]

Except he's like crashing out now because he lost his job

[grand flower]

Had to read this like four times I’m so fuckin dumb

[tranquil blade]

He isnt getting paid anymore so he doesnt like Imu

[ashen perch]

lmao, i should have added quotes in there

[grand flower]

It would be so funny if Oda wrote a character motivated purely by a paycheck

[cloud adder]

does that char not exist?

[tranquil blade]

I was gonna say Kizaru but he actually does have morals

[ashen perch]

Well it goes back to Oda's favorite dynamic, a dynamic he almost made an entire series about: the Knight v the Samurai. I believe Nusjuro and Garling are going to have that dynamic too.

So with Zoro obviously being Nusjuro's opponent, Garling naturally fits in. The blonde, womanizing knight Garling who is serving as the Warrior God of Science now v the blonde chivalrous knight Sanji who is also called the Warrior of Science.

[wraith mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/world-cup-russia-world-cup2018-fan-happy-smiling-gif-12002896

world cup soon

[ashen perch]

as for the strength part, it really doesnt matter, this is EOS Sanji

he can take Garling

[steel stirrup]

Premier League going brazy rn

[tranquil blade]

I mean yeah, if Gaban can put up a fight against Harald then Sanji should be able to beat Garling

[wraith mantle]

damn fr? dont really follow it closely anymore

[royal orchid]

but sanji would be on gag duty

[wraith mantle]

is liverpool still on fraud watch

[red lagoon]

Yes

[steel stirrup]

I watch because I like sports but yea I dont really follow follow it like I used to

[red lagoon]

Liverpool washed

[steel stirrup]

LMAOO

[red lagoon]

united still suck (ima united fan)

[steel stirrup]

Man U?

[ashen perch]

Samurai/Knight
Ryuma/Romeo
Zoro/Sanji
Nusjuro/Garling
Mihawk/Shanks
Oda's favorite dynamic

[ashen perch]

well Garling is stronger than Harald

but I get what you mean

[steel stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-hysterically-gif-23860185

[sturdy steeple]

First time I see Arsal talking about it

[ashen perch]

about what

[sturdy steeple]

This theory

[cloud adder]

because of the imu blessing right?

[ashen perch]

ah I mentioned it a couple of times before

I really think its gonna be Sanji v Garling now, EOS

[ashen perch]

0 doubt about it after that yea

[cloud adder]

and... before that?

[sturdy steeple]

I don’t really get what changed but ok

[cloud adder]

when would you say garling initally surpassed harald

[wraith mantle]

rocks humiliated pre elder garling

[sturdy steeple]

I assumed the same thing back when Garling was introduced as a Gorosei

[clever idol]

Why garling

[wraith mantle]

and since harald = rocks, it applies to harald as well

[ashen perch]

I explained it smh

[clever idol]

So u hate me

[ashen perch]

pre HK Commander Garling, pre HK Supreme Commander Garling, 38 years ago Garling

it truly is irrelevant

[cloud adder]

real

[wraith mantle]

??

[cloud adder]

ppl love to talk about pre-prime feats 😭

[wraith mantle]

garling was commander during GV lmao

[ashen perch]

no he wasnt lol

he was just a HK

[sturdy steeple]

I do think Gorosei either get access to Imu’s haki or just generally all conq users anyways.

[steel stirrup]

Commander of the Ground

[sturdy steeple]

So Garling should be a lot stronger now.

[red lagoon]

100% is

[tranquil blade]

I mean I suppose they do have a lot of authority and if Imu trusts them to handle those positions (mostly) then they probably are the type of people to have conquerors haki

[ocean totem]

This would be interesting

[cloud adder]

Oda went out of his way in the special Q&A to state Garling is very strong and for a reason so yeah, current Garling should be the peak of his strength

[ocean totem]

Like they all just siphon off of Imu's power

I like that actually, would explain why they get more powerful too

[red lagoon]

True

[tranquil blade]

Idk if I'm too into Imu lending out haki in that way yet, but it could be possible

[tidal ice]

i like to imagine imu vetted the best coc users around and made them minions

[tranquil blade]

The mark already makes them stronger

[sturdy steeple]

That’s my primary take.

[red lagoon]

What if at the end imu just cancels every contract tho and gets all his power back to be full power imu

[sturdy steeple]

Because it does feel like their evil haki is the result of Imu’s influence.

[red lagoon]

Super saiyan mu

[cloud adder]

If HKGs siphon from Imu, it seems like an easy setup for Imu cancelling the pact with all of them to pull in their max haki when they get desperate

[tranquil blade]

He will do that

[steel stirrup]

How deep is the well

[red lagoon]

To slow

Agagaga

[cloud adder]

NOOOOOOO

[clever idol]

Honestly insane if imu has that massive of a haki pook

Pool

Not pook

[red lagoon]

Wouldn’t be surprising

[tranquil blade]

pook

[cloud adder]

youre my new opp 💔

[steel stirrup]

Pookie

[wraith mantle]

oh true, wonder why i thought he was commander

[red lagoon]

[cloud adder]

the aura, dw i understand

[wraith mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/btweers-treyreloaded-gif-9565399869601644926

[steel stirrup]

You did something right

[wraith mantle]

what aura BRO 😭

[cloud adder]

https://tenor.com/view/garling-one-piece-holy-knight-figarland-garling-young-gif-2804233660470310075

[sturdy steeple]

They have the best type of the mark I suppose. And we still don’t know what it does.

[red lagoon]

We saw that emoji fail

[cloud adder]

COMMANDER AURA APPARENTLY

[steel stirrup]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/164971940648321024/848654780973056031/ezgif.com-gif-maker.gif

[tranquil blade]

I mean he does vaguely kinda try to tell the other knights what to do if I remember correctly but I guess he wasnt their leader officially

[wraith mantle]

bro couldn't get his son back

[cloud adder]

garling was strongest knight at GV so he had command authority

[ashen perch]

God Valley
24 years ago
Pre Elder
Elder

he legitimately climbed the ladder smh

[steel stirrup]

I was afraid of that

[wraith mantle]

yeah he was mini modding

[sturdy steeple]

No worries. I was also gaslighted into thinking that, lol.

[tranquil blade]

lol

[cloud adder]

insanely wholesome how much roger pirates fought for baby shanks i loveeeee it (but i personally doubt garling himself went, at best he made the final attempt maybe)

[wraith mantle]

lmao must have been the fucking leakers

[steel stirrup]

You know what comes after L?

[red lagoon]

I wonder who was commander

[ashen perch]

legally I am not allowed to talk about this

[tranquil blade]

His performance in GV probably helped him get the commander position

[red lagoon]

M

[cloud adder]

ill sign the NDA, trust

[tranquil blade]

Yes I know he got his ass beat but he did also kill Rocks

[vital heart]

Lol what? Its supposed to be Nusjuro/Mars. Garling is his own thing my guy

[steel stirrup]

Yes sirrrrr

[red lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/dont-get-quiet-now-calvin-payne-house-of-payne-s10-e1-dont-stop-talking-gif-9794882179805547592

[wraith mantle]

they really went to bat for a random ahh ginger

[ashen perch]

no it isnt

[wraith mantle]

W Roger W Rayleigh W Gaban

[cloud adder]

current Garling shouldnt get lumped in with lorosei, so true meek

[steel stirrup]

Sounds like an excuse to me

[sturdy steeple]

I agree that Mars seems more fitting but the samurai vs knight angle isn’t bad.

[cloud adder]

he was a babyyyyyyyy, W roger after all the GV nonsense

[red lagoon]

I think darling will be the strongest gorosei

[ashen perch]

No I think he surpassed Harald before being an Elder and I dont think the Elders get a real power boost

aside from the yokai thing

[tranquil blade]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-looking-up-monkey-bbc-america-bbc-america-monkey-bbc-america-monkey-rising-gaze-gif-5305200365448378989

[steel stirrup]

That's not a very high bar

[cloud adder]

darling garling, if only i could say that in a non-mocking manner

[red lagoon]

Why not

[ocean totem]

Perk of immortality maybe?

[wraith mantle]

the yokai thing is a big power boost

its a whole DF

[red lagoon]

Aye man it’s something

[ocean totem]

Endless haki

[sturdy steeple]

But at the same time, as much as I love that theory and Sanji, Garling seems to be a character that should play a bigger role and be dealt by another character.

[wraith mantle]

its like kaido with vs without the fruit

[steel stirrup]

That sounds ridiculously overpowered

[cloud adder]

dragon and shamrock+shanks

[tranquil blade]

I feel like Garling needs a fight connected to one of his two sons, not uhh Sanji

[ashen perch]

I think each tier has its own perks, the HK seal grants them the strength and invulnerability already, the highest seal grants them mythical forms and eternal youth

[tranquil blade]

I feel that Sanji has no place fighting Garling

[cloud adder]

sanji might not even witness garling

[steel stirrup]

Give me Sanji vs Sommers

[ashen perch]

his sons are Joyboy's descendants, they have bigger fish to fry

[steel stirrup]

Here we go with ts again

[ashen perch]

its true

[wraith mantle]

i wonder who dragon will fight, akainu or garling

[red lagoon]

Shanks don’t got time for garling he busy bouta get packed by bb

[cloud adder]

who do you think shamrock is meant to fight

[ashen perch]

redemption

[cloud adder]

akainu is a sabo victim

[sturdy steeple]

There is Shanks, there is Dragon, etc etc
There are quite a lot of characters that can deal with Garling.

[red lagoon]

Shamrock? Redemption?

[steel stirrup]

HA!

[wraith mantle]

can sabo get like get his own story line

[ashen perch]

yep, I think Shanks is speaking on this stuff from experience

[cloud adder]

to what extent? sacrifice redemption or he-goes-to-jail-forever eos after betraying his side?

[wraith mantle]

bro steals everything from ace

[ashen perch]

Shamrock may not even want to do all this

[steel stirrup]

Just kill the entire Figarland family atp

[wraith mantle]

sabo should beef with imu

[cloud adder]

HE'S CARRYING ON ACES WILL IN THE MOST DIRECT FASHION he's luffy's big bro at the end of the day

[ashen perch]

maybe Shamrock is what a "completed" Harald would be like, completely subservient to Imu because of the seal

[cloud adder]

im so worried for shamrock

[steel stirrup]

But with half the fighting capacity yea I can buy that

[ashen perch]

man

I am not even gonna address it actually

[wraith mantle]

this seal kinda weak cause gunko broke it easily

one look at brook and boom

[steel stirrup]

The power of Love

[cloud adder]

she didnt break the seal

[ashen perch]

I wouldnt say easily, and she just got one brief flashback, thats all

[steel stirrup]

Nah but she came close

[ashen perch]

well here is some maths actually

Loki>Harald
Shanks>Loki
Shanks = Shamrock

[cloud adder]

shanks > shamrock imo

[wraith mantle]

ngl agenda piece influence is strong on me when it comes to sabo

[steel stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/attention-attention-meme-attention-seek-attention-seeker-benjammins-gif-9112814477384329476

[ashen perch]

make your own calculations based on this

[wraith mantle]

bro is an OC as far as i am concerned

[cloud adder]

whatchu mean nvm lmao

[tranquil blade]

Everyone's take on Harald and Rocks is either them being stronger than Prime WB or them being weaker than Egghead Luffy

[ashen perch]

you keep doing this man but this is literally what hte series has told us

[ashen perch]

you can just say "I disagree"

[wraith mantle]

change that to the power of music and i am in

[steel stirrup]

Where's the fun in that

[ashen perch]

I am not baiting, its just the reality

[tranquil blade]

Unfortunately Loki did kinda beat Harald's ass this chapter

[steel stirrup]

[tidal ice]

its true, that is precisely what oda showed us in the manga so far
this is why you shouldn't take oda as your source

[wraith mantle]

idk but it seems like harald was kinda mentally nerfed

[tranquil blade]

Normally Loki hype would be fine until a certain user starts speaking

[ashen perch]

pretty clearly yea, didnt evne let Harald breathe

[steel stirrup]

What a time to be alive

[wraith mantle]

so we cant draw any conclusive powerscaling arguments based on what happened this chapter

[cloud adder]

do you think shanks and loki had a proper 1v1?
and now that ragnir is revealed to be a zoan DF user, do you think we'll get a reveal of shanks' sword having a gryphon zoan against loki's hammer zoan?

[inner agate]

kizaru fans love the mentally nerfed card

[steel stirrup]

I thought that was an Admiral only excuse

Times have truly changed

[tranquil blade]

I mean he did like slam him around and pick him up by his head

It was pretty bad for Harald

[wraith mantle]

mental nerf is canon

[steel stirrup]

💀

[ocean totem]

Except that Loki and Ragnir are powerful enough that they can kill the strongest Holy Knight in one blow

[tranquil blade]

Which means Loki is stronger than Gaban and Shanks of that time too

Probably

[ocean totem]

Which means Loki probably is strong enough that if he were a pirate he'd be an Emperor

[ashen perch]

I think they had a real 1v1 fight yea, not sure about the latter though because I think Shamrock got his sword from Imu and Shanks probably never met him

[cloud adder]

mental nerf has been established since w7 at least (likely much earlier but w7 had a direct line from nami that ill never forget, W scene)

[wraith mantle]

i mean, did harald use any armanent haki to defend against the blow?

[steel stirrup]

At this point in time?

[tranquil blade]

How strong did Shanks get over the years leading up to him fighting Loki

[ashen perch]

yea, it was like he didnt even stand a chance, thats the vibe I got

[ocean totem]

Back then, so Loki's probably stronger now

[steel stirrup]

Do you think Harald is the strongest in this flashback or the strongest HK period

[wraith mantle]

if harald was going 100% i think the outcome of the fight might have gone either way

[ocean totem]

Honestly, maybe the strongest period

[cloud adder]

ah, i really like the idea that Shanks "stole" gryphon from the holyland
i need to get to work on my re-read but i think theres a lot of panel evidence that shanks has switched between two swords across all the times we've seen him

[ocean totem]

When he died he should've been stronger than Xebec was

[steel stirrup]

I'd have to agree rn

[tranquil blade]

If Shamrock is like as strong as Shanks I might reconsider but currently Harald seems to be easily the strongest

[steel stirrup]

Yea that seems clear

[ocean totem]

This is counting the power up and all, but Harald was ridiculously strong

[wraith mantle]

yeah, i think oda is overusing the mental nerf card recently to avoid making any grand powerscaling statements

[cloud adder]

shamrock is shanks-level

[wraith mantle]

except for kidd's one shot

[ashen perch]

ooh that can work yea, he may have stolen it. Also thats based on stuff that could be art errors tbh, I'd wait on the volume release for that

[steel stirrup]

[ashen perch]

he is

[tranquil blade]

he is what

[cloud adder]

almost him

[ashen perch]

as strong as Shanks

[tranquil blade]

Yeah he might be

[steel stirrup]

I disagree

[ashen perch]

Garling>Shanks=Shamrock is just what makes the most sense

[stone terrace]

I dont think id like shamrock being brainwashed

[tranquil blade]

I mean hey Garling said they have similar potential

[stone terrace]

That really would feel like oda is planning to kill shanks so he has a second one ready for deployment

[ocean totem]

I mean technically he was born into it

[cloud adder]

its quite silly to think that two identical twins at basically the peak of their sides of the WG v pirates situation arent gonna be very relative in terms of strength

[steel stirrup]

Lmaoo assuming he would have the willpower to resist it

[clever idol]

[ashen perch]

I feel like that was gonna be the case even without the seal

[cloud adder]

no reason for shanks to have shown his full potential to garling at the time, he just needed to show enough

[ashen perch]

like he was a Celestial from day one pretty much

everything he knows, everything he has been taught, its been from them

[steel stirrup]

One has a Shonen one arm buff and the other doesn't

[tranquil blade]

Yeah but they're like twins and stuff

[cloud adder]

shamrock has immortality buff... did you forget?

[tranquil blade]

They're like the same guy

[latent hamlet]

People are gonna want the "he killed your mom u need to betray him" story beat

[tranquil blade]

but with different upbringings

[steel stirrup]

That means nothing to an AdvConq user

[stone terrace]

Nah its still useful

Acoc just means you can fight not beat them

[cloud adder]

oh yeah, sorry i went into my mode of arguing shanks > shamrock 💔

[latent hamlet]

Acoc just levels the playing field lol

[dapper tree]

The Holy knights as a whole sold their souls and free will for enough of a power up to beat up Jack

[ashen perch]

how did this turn out with Shanks and Gaban against Harald

[latent hamlet]

Its not "wow they take extra 69420% damage from acoc and explode so hard they went to a dead series"

[cloud adder]

it does when rocks v roger and rocks showed us you need to have greater haki to beat another conq's user with imu hacks

[steel stirrup]

Then how did Loki kill Harald because the last strike was only Ragnir buffed.

[cloud adder]

shamrock will definitely have conqs on par with shanks (shanks has better conqs ofc tho)

[stone terrace]

By being really strong with strong acoc

And after gaban and shanks were wittling harald down

[ocean totem]

The fact that he kills him should tell you it was also conqueror's

[tranquil blade]

The holy knights seem to be okay but they keep trying to fight legends

[dapper tree]

Shamrock is getting scaled to shanks and he's done nothing

[steel stirrup]

You think Shamrock has Conq? Lmao. Only because of who his brother is al i not disagreeing

[tranquil blade]

and they should know they're not like that

[latent hamlet]

Something something loki has acoc

[steel stirrup]

Clearly

[ashen perch]

well Gunko did beat Gaban, with shenaningans but still

[stone terrace]

Acoc is just haki

[ashen perch]

its not been all bad with the legends, theres been some success

[stone terrace]

Just like having armament doesnt mean sanji can beat kizaru

(Yet)

[tranquil blade]

That does not count she literally had a hostage situation

[stone terrace]

Just because you have acoc doesnt give you an auto win against immortals

[ashen perch]

ehh she did still succeed

[cloud adder]

hostage is the ultimate mental nerf

[tranquil blade]

Well she did succeed

[steel stirrup]

It makes sense that the people who gave away their willpower in exchange for strength would be more susceptible and vulnerable to attacks from people who have indomitable wills

It makes perfect sense

[tranquil blade]

Gunko also seems a little stronger than some of the other knights

[steel stirrup]

Pretty sure Haki is the full counter

[ocean totem]

They aren't really more vulnerable and susceptible to it

Arguably they're even less so than people usually are

It's not like conqueror's only works against them I mean

[cloud adder]

unless the ppl that "gave up their willpower" are fully aligned with their leader
its similar to zoro and all the other SHs willing to die for luffy, doesnt mean theyre weaker for upholding luffy as their cpatain

[hazy echo]

Watch the mark be the Achilles heel

[steel stirrup]

Conq users definitely hit harder than the average Armament user

[cedar timber]

She is, cause look at her devil fruit.

[keen quiver]

I feel that was mostly acoc though ngl

[ocean totem]

But this applies universally

[keen quiver]

Since its mostly coated in acoc

You get hit by the haki more than anything

Not the weapon

[steel stirrup]

Im just going off of Gabans words that Conq is the key to beating them

[keen quiver]

The hitbox is crazy on weapons for acoc users

[ocean totem]

Like yeah it is, but conqueror's beats anyone

[cedar timber]

Acoc still needs to stronger than the opponents or it will cancel out or get overpowered

[runic dock]

“These immortals seem to only have one weakness!”

“So just keep doing what I’ve always been doing?”

“y-yeah…”

[keen quiver]

I explained how dumb it was that acoc is their weakness btw. That's everyone's weakness when it does more damage and it also hurts any df users through their defense.

[steel stirrup]

Yes that's where Haki Mass comes into play

But if the HK regen user doesnt have Conq to act as extra defense, what do you think works then? Do you think Armament would be enough?

[keen quiver]

Like gee thanks gaban

[ocean totem]

Yeh, all this really does is just cement conqueror's haki as the strongest single ability in the series

So nothing changes

[dapper tree]

How many more branches to the haki tree can we make

[cedar timber]

And why do you think they won't have acoc all of them are from royal blood

[keen quiver]

This being gased up in hindsight

Was not it

[stone terrace]

Dont be surprised if joyboy had a special variant that luffy needs to unlock

[wraith mantle]

which really makes all these top tiers reactions to luffy unlocking it in marineford reasonable and satisfying

[cunning narwhal]

wait till theres conquerors observation

[tranquil blade]

It needs more but I wish that more of the branches werent conqueors haki

[cloud adder]

shanks haki training bootcamp soon

[ornate tartan]

good evening

[steel stirrup]

I find it hard to believe that all 8 of the current HK have Conq

[ornate tartan]

is the troll gone

[runic dock]

Gaban: These immortals only weakness is ….

Luffy: please say Haki please say Haki please say haki

Gaban: Haki

Luffy:

[tidal ice]

it could still be it, trust

[cloud adder]

for now

[ocean totem]

This worked out even before we figured out that it can be imbued

[cedar timber]

Fair point

[dapper tree]

what did kaido say "haki trancends all"

[wraith mantle]

ngl prior to wano it was kinda just knock fodders out

[ocean totem]

'cause back then all we knew about it was that people who had it gathered people to them naturally

[dapper tree]

He's still right

[runic dock]

Transcends deez

[ocean totem]

It was just super charisma, but that's huge on the sea

[tranquil blade]

Well it said more about Luffy as a character at the time

[cloud adder]

[keen quiver]

All it ever did was knock fodder out

Till wano

[wraith mantle]

oh yeah that too as well

[dapper tree]

If only that was the only thing coc did

[ocean totem]

It did yeh, but the big part was that it basically guaranteed that Luffy would have armies under him at some point

Even more so than being able to knock out weak people, it was like the sign of being a big name

[steel stirrup]

I'll give you The Figarlands and thats about it.

And atm the only Figarland in the HK is Shamrock since Garling has been promoted.

So thats potentially just one Conq user and he only gets that consideration from me because of the Shanks tax

[tranquil blade]

I wish Kid got his army...

[keen quiver]

Haki situation reminds me how much acoc apes from advanced armament.

[dapper tree]

he got the drowned army

[keen quiver]

Just with conquerors flavor

[wraith mantle]

kidd is now the drowned god

[ornate tartan]

kidd was him ngl in wano

[maiden charm]

https://tenor.com/view/swimming-coral-reef-manta-ray-our-planet-coastal-seas-gif-17120337

[wraith mantle]

bro thinks he is in GoT

[tranquil blade]

Kid rolls a 1 every time

[steel stirrup]

A Nat 1 is crazy

[cedar timber]

Yeah, you are right.

There was a dialogue in recent chapter, where gaban was saying that when the ppl on par with holy knights used to come to get shanks they would pack them every single time, lol.

[keen quiver]

Like projecting your haki is basically what advanced armament is.

[steel stirrup]

Like Team Rocket coming for Pikachu getting blasted away

Every time

[keen quiver]

But oda just went, "spice that with conquerors salt"

[ornate tartan]

Haki is overhated

[cedar timber]

Fr fr

[ornate tartan]

the power system would be ass without haki

the only problem is its the solution to almost everything

but haki in itself is good

[keen quiver]

You basically went the exact opposite direction

From no solution to dfs

To it being used for everything related to dfs

[tidal ice]

bro thinks he's poseidon

[keen quiver]

Now we have conquerors force fields, and acoc for immortality with a side of Haki Mass.

[ornate tartan]

the biggest problem is haki being able to nullify fruit powers

[steel stirrup]

Without Haki every Logia user would effectively be invincible

[ornate tartan]

that’s supposed to be teach special thing

even law did that shit vs doc q

[ocean totem]

It is

Haki doesn't nullify fruit powers

[tranquil blade]

Wasnt haki mass kinda always a thing just not mentioned much

[ornate tartan]

it neutralizes them

[tranquil blade]

or like amount of haki used

[keen quiver]

It still is if teach touches you its over

[ocean totem]

It just shields against them

[ornate tartan]

Teach completely turns it off i think

[ocean totem]

It does not

[tranquil blade]

because that's what gear 4th is basically

[ocean totem]

Yeh, Teach removes the fruit entirely

[cedar timber]

It does bro

[ocean totem]

Haki doesn't neutralize powers, it just shields from them

[keen quiver]

Bean about to say his piece

[cloud adder]

law using a haki burst to "undo" the feminization disease is more of a neutralization than a shield imo

[keen quiver]

It does kind of neutralize imu stuff

Considering joyboy and domi reversi with rocks.

[tranquil blade]

This reminds me of when I was asking why couldnt luffy put Kizaru between his two hands and crush him like a bug

I guess he did kinda do that tho

So it worked out

[cedar timber]

Bruh, remember the scene where garp punches Luffy, what do you think happened there.

[ocean totem]

It undoes the teleportation, but it's not like it cleanses the domi reversi

[ornate tartan]

the biggest problem with haki is sometimes the reader is confused as to when it is used

[ocean totem]

Luffy didn't stop being rubber.

[ornate tartan]

it should be more clear

[keen quiver]

That we know of for now

[ornate tartan]

specific hakis

[ocean totem]

I actually had an idea that the only way to cleanse it would be the Nika fruit

[red lagoon]

💯

[ocean totem]

The drums of liberation gain new meaning

[keen quiver]

If thats the case everyone is fried bean

[cedar timber]

For the part where Luffy got hit it stopped being rubber

[red lagoon]

It already seems like the drums have some sort of power or release an energy of sorts

[ocean totem]

No, it hits beneath the rubber, it does not stop him from being rubber

[keen quiver]

I feel its likely to be something else for that.

[ornate tartan]

like the colored manga makes it more clear

when the lightning is armament it has black inside, like ulti

but when it’s acoc it’s a pure color

the only time acoc was shown with black color in the middle was 1010 luffy vs kaido first time acoc, i think every other time it’s distinctively a single color in the colored manga

[cedar timber]

🥀

[cloud adder]

wdym beneath the rubber? luffy after his fruit is completely rubber...

[cedar timber]

Bro is onto smth

[ornate tartan]

this is why a lot of ppl thought galaxy impact from garp was armament too^

[ocean totem]

Spiritually, I guess? There's a "substantial" body beneath fruit powers, Rayleigh tells Luffy about it

[gray tapir]

I'm bored 🥱😴

[tranquil blade]

Well its kinda like how with logias haki lets you touch their actual body