also-manga

[iron oriole]

fetching lobster

[prisma yacht]

Desk merchant

[iron oriole]

like a good doggy

[sage temple]

Shanks has established that he doesn't play by the rules. This opens up a plethera of possibilities honestly an poison is one of them. Shanks is always offering drinks left and right so Shanks COULD have poisoned Loki to pay homage to how he doesn't play by the rules. How? Well Shanks has ties to the World Government. Magellan has ties to the World Government. Them meeting once or twice in the past on one of Shanks' "Blade of God" quests isn't that farfetched. Also I made a mistake in saying this possibility is likely. I meant this possibility is just as likely as Loki and Shanks fighting imo

[sweet anvil]

Lobster merchant akainu

[knotty pilot]

yeah, shanks knows the wg so he didnt want loki to go there yet

[wraith mantle]

and imu had to personally show up to defeat him

thats the ultimate glaze

[frozen aspen]

akainu is either gonna be a hype tool or have someone like sabo fight him bc Luffy got more important ppl to beat up

[red lagoon]

LMAOOOOOOO

shanks done spiked Loki drink im crying

[wraith mantle]

rocks is a joyboy level threat

[sage temple]

Chrissy ask and you will recieve

[spice cairn]

Socrates this is beautiful cope

[prisma yacht]

Socrates pulled up history on shanks

Lmfao

[red lagoon]

LOOOOOOOOL

[knotty pilot]

you think shanks and loki sat and drank together as buddies or what

[spice cairn]

You should've added the Barto example but you went with Magallan

[sage temple]

I don't know what cope is

[red lagoon]

LMAOOOOO

[wraith mantle]

socrates really does consume the story via tiktok memes

[wraith mantle]

shanks used poison 😭

[frozen aspen]

Loki will loose regardless and then we'll make fun of him

[red lagoon]

We need ppl like Socrates to make this discord interesting though

[knotty pilot]

how would shanks even poison loki😭

[sage temple]

Loki hangs out at taverns frequently as a kid. Shanks doesn't have to be your friend to offer you a drink. Loki could think Shanks is a coward because of how underhanded this strategy of subduing someone is

[ornate tartan]

so far the only admiral with clean rapsheets are Kizaru and Fujitora

[sweet anvil]

Don’t jinx it

I need Loki slander

[frozen aspen]

my bad

[spice cairn]

Kizaru with a clean rapsheet?

[iron oriole]

so did Shanks also poison WB?

[knotty pilot]

u think shanks has drinks for someone as tall as loki?

[sage temple]

https://tenor.com/view/i'll-die-on-that-hill-rose-matafeo-on-and-on-and-on-stand-up-comedy-i'm-all-in-gif-4042426927115436192

[spice cairn]

[sweet anvil]

Mentally convicted man

[prisma yacht]

We get to decide a new nickname for Socrates btw if shanks is stronger

[frozen aspen]

real and I never wanted it before

[distant vine]

Lemme start by asking this. Do you think Loki pre Ragnir and DF > Shanks?

@sage temple

[sage temple]

Shanks had a drink for someone as tall as Whitebeard

[frozen aspen]

"Loki is a bumass loser"

[shadow python]

Fuji did nothing to stop Doffy, couldn't beat Sabo, and was anti helpful at the reverie. Sure he could be strong but we haven't seen anything to suggest he's above Green bull

[pine ridge]

damn loki must be dumb af to fall for this

[knotty pilot]

whitebeard is not as tall as loki lmao

[sage temple]

No, these are his main abilities

[distant vine]

Ok

[spice cairn]

Anti helpful by sticking to his belief system?

Isnt that on brand?

[shadow python]

Loki was above Shanks pre fruit

[ornate tartan]

yeah he didn’t really do anything to Luffy but he kinda brushed off Luffy attacks

not even gonna use the mental nerf excuse for him, he got put down and didn’t look to be in severe pain at all

[sage temple]

Yes I'm using this as an example that Shanks accomodates drink sizes for the person he drinks with

[strong wadi]

If I had to rate the possibilities of how Shanks got Loki, it'd be like 50% fight 1v1, 20% fight with his crew, 29% chance they planned it in some way, 1% underhanded method like poison, trickery, etc

[prisma yacht]

I had a particular one in my mind

• 6 years of no wiping (suggested by thigh)

[distant vine]

Falling seriously for the poison gimmick is funny

[red lagoon]

Ye

[shadow python]

Gyaban said Loki eating the fruit was their only hope. If Shanks was stronger Shanks could have eaten it himself

[distant vine]

Btw, Shanks haters should have kept that up. That was the only funny Shanks joke they had

[spice cairn]

I dont want to partake in that matchup discussion since its a beaten to death sort of thing but ultimately Kizaru failed his mission.

[distant vine]

It was clever at least

[spice cairn]

Thats all it boils down to.

[pine ridge]

could be true as shanks was still young and growing

[knotty pilot]

loki is like 60m+ tall tho

[sage temple]

At the time?

[sweet anvil]

Loki slander and dragon upscale for 2026 🙏

[brittle basin]

He has been wiping. Or rather, his little minions in the masks have been doing that dirty work.

[ornate tartan]

oh forsure
i’m not disagreeing with that

[knotty pilot]

dragon agenda peak

[spice cairn]

Kuzan/Fujitora are the only guys that deserve my respect for their own reasons

[iron oriole]

Oda knew exactly what he was doing with this when he did the Barto scene

[shadow python]

Shanks doesn't have much room to grow here. This was 2 years before he would lose his arm and no longer be worth Mihawks time

[sweet anvil]

I will be there no matter what

[sage temple]

14 years ago I think it's possible Loki could be stronger than that Shanks without a DF and just his normal hammer

[prisma yacht]

Minions😭

[knotty pilot]

same! he in GV was goated

[brittle basin]

We can call them Pooper Scoopers if you prefer.

[wraith mantle]

holy shit imagine wiping giant turds

[sage temple]

But 14 years ago, Shanks gets absolutely dog walked by Loki with his abilities

[prisma yacht]

LMAO

[sage temple]

[sweet anvil]

I can only pray he kills garling for good

[shadow python]

Shanks probably couldn't handle the squirrel

[spice cairn]

Is there any gacha nerd in here to confirm if Nika Bonney is in the mobile games yet

[wraith mantle]

benn beckman handled the squirrel

[brittle basin]

https://tenor.com/view/are-you-sure-about-that-gif-17735709754501735355

[abstract heath]

Yeah lokis genetics are fucking insane

[iron oriole]

OPTC she is i believe

[sweet anvil]

Loki is a genetics merchant

[iron oriole]

at least my app icon has updated

[spice cairn]

NOBODY TOLD ME

[iron oriole]

and has her

[ornate tartan]

dragon is the only character in the series who’s actually featless btw

ppl say mihawk is featless but he has a title and we’ve seen small glimpse of him fighting

Sengoku is called featless but he has statements of being equal to Garp and we saw his fruit power vs BB pirates

Dragon tho? No statements, no feats, no nothing just headcanon and prayers

u ask a dragon fan why he will be strong his first answer is he’s the mc father or garp son😂😂

[spice cairn]

Its over

[sage temple]

🤷‍♂️ No problem with being a certain race

I'm not racist

[spice cairn]

Is she still summonable

[sage temple]

Are you?

[prisma yacht]

😭😭

[knotty pilot]

fr

[shadow python]

Dragon has a feat he stopped Smoker

[ornate tartan]

the only thing dragon has in the entire series is a doberman quote hinting he might have conq

[abstract heath]

im crying they saying dragon is a nepo father

[strong wadi]

Damn, I must be slow because I finally put it together how Mihawk fans must be punching the air after this chapter because they can no longer deny common sense because now they can be provided direct evidence about Shanks' growth in power.

Mihawk/Zoro fans take yet another L

[ruby moat]

No their first answer is narrative not his genealogy

[sweet anvil]

Stop being sour because mihawk is stronger than shanks 💔

[iron oriole]

@spice cairn

[shadow python]

When was Mihawk stronger?

[wraith mantle]

tread carefully.. dragon no diffed pre ts smoker

[iron oriole]

Idk if the banner is out

[spice cairn]

Is she still summonable?

[ornate tartan]

what does that have to do with anything i just said

[spice cairn]

Check for me pretty please

[ornate tartan]

😂

[spice cairn]

Ill do a flip

[iron oriole]

2 mins

[red lagoon]

LMAOOOOOOO

[abstract heath]

we always end up at a shanks vs mihawk debate lmao

[ornate tartan]

prove to me dragon is strong without headcanon

[knotty pilot]

at least dragon wants to change the world, he's goated

[prisma yacht]

LMFAOOO

[spice cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/dogs-tricks-jump-flip-excited-gif-3429005

[shadow python]

Because if Shanks beats loki 6 years ago that would infer he's stronger now than he is here. Like way way way stronger

[ornate tartan]

he’s a great character

[red lagoon]

dragons only feat is being a father of a strong man and the son of a strong man

[clear rose]

technically he has a feat, sneaking up on Smoker

[prisma yacht]

he's talking about how strong he is

[sweet anvil]

Critical thinking skills

[distant vine]

When someone said Gaban said only Loki can beat Harald, did they mean this panel?

[knotty pilot]

agreed, revolutionary army is goated

[strong wadi]

Sabo learning martial arts from Dragon. You think he can't at least replicate what Sabo did?

[knotty pilot]

dragon is a top tier obviously

[thick mango]

It's such a brain rotted take to be like, sure it's the most serious and effective resistance against the wg. But can the leader punch hard??? Prove to me he can punch hard.

[shadow python]

When were the duels between Mihawk and Shanks? They stopped once he lost his arm but Shanks probably got stronger not weaker since then

[sweet anvil]

There isn’t concrete evidence we can just tell if you don’t think dragon is strong you’re illiterate

[red lagoon]

Dragon is obviously a top tier but it’s just funny

[ruby moat]

Dragon, so far, is carried by narrative. But he has some of the strongest narrative going for him

[shadow python]

Assuming of course that Shanks did beat Loki which is far from the only option now.

[ornate tartan]

yes of course he can
but top 2 in the entire series
that’s a fuckin ridiculous take

i bet money he’s not stronger then Luffy

[sweet anvil]

Fr

On my soul dragon is stronger than shanks

[red lagoon]

It’s the same way Mihawk is the wss despite what fans try discredit him

[sweet anvil]

And mihawk

[red lagoon]

Oh my

[shadow python]

Dragon should be as strong as prime Garp

[sweet anvil]

Kill me and @red lagoon if shanks is stronger than dragon

[red lagoon]

Bro

[digital spear]

So glue

[sweet anvil]

Gun to OUR head

[red lagoon]

WHY ME?

[iron oriole]

@spice cairn she is

[prisma yacht]

😭😭😭

[abstract heath]

he fucking wishes looooll

[brittle basin]

New Bon Clay card.

[strong wadi]

Based off Oda's writing style, it would not surprise me if Dragon is Top 5. Top 2 is too much because Imu is a clear #1 and Oda's golden boy Shanks would be #2 until BB surpasses him.

[spice cairn]

Till when

[clear rose]

I notice it alot but even when it comes to some other new gen manga people no longer go by what the narrative is implying and just talk about "well they're featless tho"

[knotty pilot]

dragon is prob shanks level currently

[abstract heath]

revs have no reason to be this sorry if dragon is as strong as prime garp

[sweet anvil]

They aren’t sorry

[red lagoon]

Revs not sorry

[shadow python]

The revs were handling 2 admirals at once with half their main forces

[sweet anvil]

They’re the best organisation in the verse

[ornate tartan]

where is dragon getting this supposed power from

your haki gets stronger in the heat of battle and challenging strong opponents

where is his haki blooms coming from a cubicle

[spice cairn]

Dragon being an D is all there is you need to know to have faith in his character.

[abstract heath]

They aren't sorry under sabo

[knotty pilot]

someone that knows ball

[shadow python]

Kuma was under Dragon inferring he was stronger

[spice cairn]

Whenever you like him or not.

[ruby moat]

Dragon’s underlings underlings (the dudes below sabo) were going equal with admirals

[red lagoon]

Dragon being Luffy dad and Garp son is all u need to know😂😂

[stone terrace]

People who shape the world in one piece are strong

Thats how it goes

[red lagoon]

The mcs dad is always him

[spice cairn]

The Ds are in the forefront of destiny

[sweet anvil]

He doesn’t need haki blooms he’s just goated

[wraith mantle]

i mean

[shadow python]

Momo literally never did anything for 20 years and his body was incredibly strong once he grew up

[wraith mantle]

he can probably punch hard lmao

[digital spear]

Opfans when the 3rd member of the Monkey D. family is also strong

[distant vine]

Ok, I gave it some thought. I have my defense of Shanks

[stone terrace]

In a world where people at the top are walking nukes you need to be a walking nuke to be taken serious

[golden valley]

Dragons DF is def really strong

[shadow python]

Which in hindsight kinda makes me wonder why Hiyori was so helpless

[ornate tartan]

i never said he isn’t strong

[distant vine]

https://tenor.com/view/ace-attorney-phoenix-wright-phoenix-wright-read-reading-gif-3885369798469954526

[golden valley]

He might be carried by it

[ornate tartan]

he’s just not as strong as ppl say he is

[sweet anvil]

People aren’t ready for dragon

[strong wadi]

Who did Katakuri fight to get his haki bloom

[sweet anvil]

He’s the current strongest after imu

[wraith mantle]

dragon's resistance will go up in flames if he doesn't enough people with strong conq to defeat the WG's immortal army

[ornate tartan]

at best he’s prime garp level
and that would be upscaling him

[knotty pilot]

like u said, we will be there no matter what

[iron oriole]

probably sparred with family members

[digital spear]

You said Dragon never was in the heat of battle and challenged strong opponents

[abstract heath]

This would be crazy

[golden valley]

Welll, Prime Garp strength aint no joke, so isn’t that just validating the dragon fans?

[abstract heath]

I think he would be relative to the yonko

[shadow python]

There's no reason to assume Dragon is weak. He's featless but we have precedent for genetic strength and we know he's inferred to have both trained Sabo and have CoC

[strong wadi]

Then why didn't all his family have haki blooms. Basically the point is, people can have whatever haki Oda gives them. Dragon has likely fought many opponents over the years, it's not like all his time was spent hiding on Baltigo

[abstract heath]

yeah all jokes aside there is no reason to think he isnt very strong

[golden valley]

Any sabo feat is a dragon upscale

[abstract heath]

Its jsut being facetious

[sweet anvil]

Us after the dragon investment works out

[ornate tartan]

compared to the marines and pirates in the story? no and wouldn’t make sense for him to be

i think he’s just naturally strong

[clear rose]

Dragon is for sure top tier and I'm willing to bet he's stronger than even Garp

its just we have to see it I guess

[ruby moat]

Sak and I been on this shit for years we’re gonna be RICH

[digital spear]

Why wouldnt it make sense

[abstract heath]

bro invested in the mc's dad. thats like investing in blackrock

[knotty pilot]

so true

[abstract heath]

Its not a hot take that dragon is strong

[shadow python]

It'd be rather odd if Dragon in the prime of his life is weaker than his old man

[wraith mantle]

is dragon stronger than loki?

[shadow python]

No

[tranquil blade]

Yes

[strong wadi]

He used to sail around. Could have easily came into contact with vice admirals, admirals, or holy knights

[clear rose]

probably

[knotty pilot]

yes

[sweet anvil]

It’s a hot take that he’s the strongest apparently though

[ruby moat]

Better than some agendas… (main character, main antagonist, etc)

[distant vine]

We see that when Garp and Roger fight Rocks, their COC attacks cant do much because Rocks is also using COC to defend. Garp reasons that they need to put everything into one attack to destroy the defense and essentially one shot.

Considering Gaban and Shanks actually did better vs Harald in that they could damage him, I think I can argue that if they had knowledge of that principle they could replicate that and defeat Harald.

[iron oriole]

idk i'm not Oda, but he also has a big bounty so presumably he was out doing shit for BM too, probably fought some VAs and shit over the years

[distant vine]

Gaban and Shanks probably know this now

[sweet anvil]

The final war hasn’t started because dragon , the strongest hasn’t made his move

[golden valley]

Speaking of which, this is a Prime Gaban upscale this chapter

[strong wadi]

Yeah, he probably did. Again, the point is, it's not hard to imagine Dragon has been put into situations where his haki would bloom. Much easier for him to imagine for than Katakuri

[golden valley]

Prime Gaban was weaving attacks from amped Harald

[shadow python]

Downscale

I don't think this is prime Gaban but even so he and Shanks together were no match

[ornate tartan]

because dragon position in the revolutionary army as the leader is similar to the Fleet Admiral, I don’t think he actually goes out himself

but unlike akainu who was an admiral first Dragon was the leader of his organization from the beginning

maybe when they were the freedom fighters it was different though

[distant vine]

Thats not true?

[iron oriole]

oh i dont doubt he didn't, Dragon probably actually had run ins with Garp in the early days of the Revs and shit

[distant vine]

They were hurting Harald

[pseudo gulch]

That is NOT Usopp

[frigid gulch]

So 25 year old Shanks = Prime Gaban?

[brittle basin]

what did they do to Shakky?

[clear rose]

nah I disagree, I think all this showed is that Shanks and Gaban's combined might couldn't replicate an attack as powerful as what Roger and Garp did at this point in time

[sweet anvil]

All roads lead to mihawk

[golden valley]

Even if it isn’t (I think it is), still an upscale

[spice cairn]

Why is Rayleigh Ishowspeeding

[shadow python]

Usopp did as much damage to Gunko as they did to Harald

[spice cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-meme-trying-not-to-laugh-laugh-homeless-gif-9458928528704746136

[frigid gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/mihawk-one-piece-agenda-piece-mihawk-upscale-mrbeep-gif-4652002396828019758

[distant vine]

Well its not really about might. Its about use of Conquerors Haki

[brittle basin]

crap now that's all I see

[strong wadi]

I'm pretty sure that is 1:1 from a panel

[spice cairn]

Im not crazy right

[distant vine]

Garp and Roger had the power but they were getting wiped until they could use it right

[spice cairn]

Its literally the same face

[shadow python]

I had thought that the man who claimed the immortals weren't immortal would do a bit better against an immortal opponent

[clear rose]

conquerors haki is just another word for attack power at this point

[golden valley]

Shanks and Gaban actually effected the regeneration…

[scenic dirge]

I mean the “this server has so many geniuses” scene is almost a speed face

[clear rose]

you add it to your attack to make it even buffer that is how it works

[golden valley]

Usopp didn’t do jack that would count as “damage”

[strong wadi]

Harald is built significantly different than Sommers

[distant vine]

Shh, Oda's trying at least a bit to diversify it

[clear rose]

it just also happens to take away the regeneration

[ornate tartan]

if dragon was really out in the front lines like yall say he was why is he worried about the holy knights

especially if he himself is as strong as what yall sayin😂

[spice cairn]

Its the midway into it that gets to me

[frigid gulch]

It’s “mass” which is basically going full throttle with haki

[spice cairn]

Like before the tear wipe

[frigid gulch]

It’s a super risky move

[strong wadi]

Because 2-3 holy knights if Shamrock is included, would beat the entire organization just based off the fact that only Dragon can currently hurt them.

[frigid gulch]

So it’s not common to use it I’m sure

[spice cairn]

I miss when we talked about Dragon seeing Sommers in boxers.

Now its this once again

[sweet anvil]

Shamrock is probably yonko level don’t sleep on him the rest are fodder though

[prisma yacht]

ain't no way bro is top 2 😭

[rose rune]

you can barely see his arm

[ornate tartan]

and the revs currently are the weakest faction in one piece

unless yall count sword seperate from the navy

[sweet anvil]

What ?

[ruby moat]

Same reason Akainu was scared of samurai

[heady smelt]

Makes you wonder if they're body doesn't become easy to "destroy" once they're immortal

[sweet anvil]

The revs violate the SH

[knotty pilot]

dragon and sabo are 2 top tiers lol

[sweet anvil]

Badly

[shadow python]

Half of the revs relevant fighters took on 2 of the 3 admirals and decisively won that interaction

[ornate tartan]

no they don’t😂😂😂

[shadow python]

Rev army is legitimate fighting force

[distant vine]

Basically my point is that Shanks had a win condition vs Harald. And he wasnt losing btw, it was a stalemate

[strong wadi]

I wouldnt count the strawhats as a faction, unless you mean the whole fleet. If the whole fleet is included, they'd beat the revs unless Dragon is that far above Luffy

[wraith mantle]

the two admirals in question were fighting each other 😭

[sweet anvil]

Bro what difference is their fleet making

[golden valley]

Shanks and Gaban wanted to save harald tbf

[ruby moat]

Ya sabos underlings, two positions below dragon, were able to go equal with admirals during reverie (yea yes I know the admirals couldnt go all out but accomplishing your mission to hold back admirals is impressive regardless)

[shadow python]

Harald dealt with Shanks and Gyaban then went on to Loki

[brittle basin]

New Buggy.

[golden valley]

No, Loki just interrupted

[spice cairn]

I like to believe sometimes that his entire crew is inside the suit

[frigid gulch]

Nah, they ended up standing back at some point

[ruby moat]

He looks like a crab

[spice cairn]

Like a Trojan horse attack

[golden valley]

Shanks and Gaban weren’t dealt with

[distant vine]

Huh? He moved away lmao

He didnt even hit Shanks

[sweet anvil]

Put the SH without Luffy on mariejois in that position and they get violated

[strong wadi]

The commanders of the fleets would be useful to fight vice-commanders or even the commanders of the revs minus Sabo/Dragon.

[iron oriole]

that would be hilarious

[brittle basin]

What's that crab theory? About how everything ultimately becomes or evolves into crabs? Or am I misremembering it?

[knotty pilot]

they aren't ready for the RA

[ruby moat]

I feel like I remember something like that but I don’t know the specifics

[distant vine]

Harald raced after Loki while Shanks and Gaban went to Jarul

[sweet anvil]

The only one that can really put in work is hakuba the rest of them haven’t really shown anything tough

[ornate tartan]

Zoro>Sabo

[brittle basin]

What if we're dual mandela effecting ourselves?

[spice cairn]

Seeing Croc ripping through it before Buggy gets hurt as a line of defense would be peak

[iron oriole]

the only crab theory i know is the crab bucket, whenever a crab almost makes it out of the bucket another will pull it back down

[ruby moat]

I’m immune to that

[frigid gulch]

Mythical Crab zoan

[strong wadi]

Sai, King's punch, Cavendish and/or Hakuba, Bart, and Leo's devil fruit would all be useful in a fight.

[digital spear]

He is the "fleet admiral" now, he wasnt always tho, and just like the marines or pirates he had to work up and get stronger to get this position, even more he created a faction of his own. The Revolutionary Army didnt just sprout from the ground and declared Dragon as the leader. Yeah we can see that with the freedom fighters thing

[distant vine]

I'll also argue this line is more about Loki speaking to Harald and getting him back to sanity, rather than Loki beating Harald. After all, they say this after Shanks saying he wants to save Harald

[brittle basin]

That describes this place

[iron oriole]

S-Gecko/Bat attacks Buggy & he just tanks it because 12 of his men eat the attack instead

[brittle basin]

New Croc cards.

[prisma yacht]

😭 that boy is meant to defeat akainu

[sweet anvil]

The king guy didn’t join the grand fleet no

[spice cairn]

The first one is very soulful

[ornate tartan]

i have no idea who’s gonna beat akainu

because even tho i hate that guy

[iron oriole]

humans do the same shit yeah, we rarely like to see other people make it

[spice cairn]

Crocodile and Mihawk will

[sweet anvil]

Nvm he did

[shadow python]

Sabo

[ornate tartan]

he’s strong as hell

[grand flower]

def sabo

[brittle basin]

This will be Croc in the coming chapters, but with black sand.

[spice cairn]

Its very obvious

[sweet anvil]

Sabo is putting bta

[spice cairn]

Mihawk using Croc as pocket sand

[knotty pilot]

sabo will have CoC

[ornate tartan]

yall are underrating sakazuki

[iron oriole]

@spice cairndid you pull bonnika btw?

[sweet anvil]

You’re forgetting we’re dealing with oda here he’ll just make sabo stronger for no reason lmao

[spice cairn]

I gotta download the game once I go home from work

[golden valley]

Sabo is set to surpass dragon

[spice cairn]

I gotta work soon

[iron oriole]

oh lol

[spice cairn]

I would prefer if shes in Bounty Rush

But this will do for now

[iron oriole]

i can check BR

[sweet anvil]

Let’s not get ahead of ourselves now

[strong wadi]

He's an honorary member and would fight with them anyway. He just has a nation to take care of and is apart of the WG so he obviously cannot openly ally with him. Point still stands regardless

[formal wagon]

FUCK I MISSED THE STREAM ARE YOU SHITTING ME

[ornate tartan]

if akainu has conquerors I think the sabo theory is dead

[sweet anvil]

Apart from him and hakuba they really aren’t all that imo because a lot of their stuff come from dressrosa when the opponents were much weaker

[formal wagon]

EGGHEAD ENDED AND I MISSED IT

[ornate tartan]

luffy gonna have to beat akainu

[formal wagon]

bro luffy isn't strong enough coby is gonna have to do it

[stone terrace]

It was like 4 hours ago

[brittle basin]

*Koby

[formal wagon]

i was sleeping i did christmas 2 and i was tired

[digital spear]

WHY DIDNT YOU SET A REMINDER

[spice cairn]

Mailbox...

Cmon man

[brittle basin]

Deadbox

[trim lily]

you had one job mailbox

[ornate tartan]

if koby gets acoc
a lot of ppl won’t like it

[formal wagon]

i didnt think it would be this goddamn early

[sage temple]

I'll argue this line is more about Loki getting the fruit being implied as the "power that can solve this" meaning more strength-wise about Loki beating Harald. This entire chapter's context is about how to beat the knights. Shanks understands that it's impossible to disobey Imu as a Holy Knight. "Loki's our best bet" here, combined with the context of the actual situation would be referring to how exactly you stop this, which is why Shanks and Gaban stopped fighting Harald because they don't have the power to beat him. If they did have the power to beat him, it's extremely ridiculous that they do all this and just stop, allowing multitudes of innocent giants to die.

[ornate tartan]

but i think he should

[strong wadi]

Oden could not cut through the barriers from Bart's fruit. Sai is powerful.

[sweet anvil]

You’re thinking way too literal bro sabo will somehow just end up strong enough to beat akainu similar to how koby is going to rapidly grow to fight someone like Kuzan possibly

[sweet anvil]

Bart is dead

[digital spear]

I hope he gets it then, some opfans dont deserve to get what they want

[strong wadi]

You're funny

[trim lily]

except for me

[steel stirrup]

When the promised hour finally arrived, you weren't there.

False prophet

[brittle basin]

Can Barto's barrier protect against Uranus?

[trim lily]

probably

[prisma yacht]

he is talking about sai bruh 😭

[sweet anvil]

All of my agendas are going to be right

[brittle basin]

At this point, if you use enough haki, Barto's shield goes away

[formal wagon]

[digital spear]

https://tenor.com/view/mind-blown-the-simpsons-bart-simpson-im-dead-spirit-gif-14579283

[knotty pilot]

what do u think of lafitte agenda

[strong wadi]

Potentially

[trim lily]

i really hope some devil fruits can survive irrespective of how much haki is used

[iron oriole]

@spice cairn looks like Bounty Rush has a Kuma/Bonney unit coming soon/is released now (i'm looking at the discord) so Bonnika not long away for that game

[trim lily]

just let some devil fruits be very powerful with their gimmick oda

[brittle basin]

Potentially.
And with that single word, I'm shaking in my boots.

[sweet anvil]

I always thought of him as bbs right hand man ngl

[rose brook]

like the barrier fruit

[strong wadi]

Theoretically, the Oden that attacked the barrier should have had top 10 haki in the verse and the barrier still worked

[sweet anvil]

He’s always up to some shit

[steel stirrup]

Potential Man strikes again

[knotty pilot]

fr, lafitte my goat

[sweet anvil]

Oden didn’t have acoc 🥹✌️

Wait did he

I can’t remember

[trim lily]

probably

[digital spear]

The bareer is supposed to be unbreakable

[knotty pilot]

the gates of justice opened thanks to lafitte

[brittle basin]

He didn't have Knot Haki™ though.

[rose brook]

barrier protected against kings punch which is yonko level

[frigid gulch]

He should

[ornate tartan]

barrier isn’t affected by haki

[steel stirrup]

Bro is an MVP candidate for sure

[ornate tartan]

just like sugar and boa fruit

some DF abilities are just final

[tranquil blade]

Shanks somehow got around that barrier

[trim lily]

sugar and hancock should be able to one shot kaido

[ornate tartan]

that barrier cannot break

[distant vine]

Well this is them 1-2 pages before being completely willing to fight

[steel stirrup]

How tf did Shanks get past it then?

Did he ask nicely?

[knotty pilot]

agreed. cant wait to know lafitte's df

[distant vine]

And nothing happened between then to change their mind

[ornate tartan]

no

he got blitzed

[trim lily]

we wouldnt know since the fight was offscreened

[strong wadi]

I'm going to assume so, especially with how he scarred Kaido

[steel stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/meonly-gif-19710542

[ornate tartan]

even imu can’t get past that barrier

[distant vine]

So rather than accept defeat I would say they were willing to continue but Harald sped away to Loki

[iron oriole]

probably was fast enough to hurt Barto enough before the barrier came up or just walked him into a corner & forced him to just release it

[sweet anvil]

If he didn’t have acoc that can’t have been top 10

[steel stirrup]

Blitzed???

With a barrier fruit???

[wet condor]

Those barriers are peculiar. They get harder the harder you hit them or something

[ornate tartan]

i don’t think he used it even rich

[trim lily]

yeah

[strong wadi]

Well if you look at the attack Zoro did vs the one Oden did

[wet condor]

No telling how Shanks got past that

[sage temple]

The fact that Gaban compares Harald to previous Holy Knights he's beaten implies that they literally don't have the ability to beat Harald here

[ornate tartan]

are u talking about when the ship got blown up

[wet condor]

but it's probably Haki related

[sage temple]

Yet Loki does

[trim lily]

barto still has to react fast enough to put it up

[stone terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/jumpscare-gif-22480071

[steel stirrup]

Shanks moves faster than it takes Barto to do this🤞🏾????

[wet condor]

But Oden couldn't get past them which is already p crazy

[stone terrace]

What barto saw

[tranquil blade]

Shanks pulled out the ancient haki teleportation tech to hit Barto inside his barrier

[prisma yacht]

lol

[sweet anvil]

Zoro isn’t a top tier , a top tier using acoc would be stronger though

[tranquil blade]

That fucking cheater

[iron oriole]

tbf even if Barto go his barrier up... what then?

you're surrounded by Shanks crew

[strong wadi]

I'm saying that if you think Zoro used ACoC, then Oden must have

[ruby moat]

“Benn… walk behind him”

[distant vine]

Kill? No, I would agree they dont know how to do that. But beat? They do think they can beat him

[tranquil blade]

Well he can waste a lot of time

[iron oriole]

so can they

[prisma yacht]

how long he's gonna stay inside lmao

[steel stirrup]

Haki negates the majority of Devil Fruits i doubt Barrier would be the one exception

[iron oriole]

they're not the ones holding up a barrier

[sweet anvil]

Great point

Ngl I’m not sure

[tranquil blade]

I imagine that Shanks actually has shit to do tho idk if he'd wanna be stuck waiting for Barto to turn off his barrier

[stone terrace]

Shanks could probably make barto drop the barrier with coc alone

[digital spear]

Well just having acoc makes you like a top 30 elite in One Piece

[iron oriole]

Shanks' crew could just start having a party while waiting for Barto to drop the barrier

[steel stirrup]

"He's gotta come out soon! Fuck it lets get drunk until he gives up"

[strong wadi]

The lightning is smudgy enough for me, and logically he would have ACoC, and logically, he did more damage than Zoro, so logically + logically = He has ACoC, QED you're welcome

[distant vine]

Shanks simply shattered his barrier like a glass window is all

Simple

[steel stirrup]

🐌

[frigid gulch]

I doubt that

[sage temple]

They literally express their helplessness

[iron oriole]

dont snail me, it was before your message on my end

[sage temple]

This is going to great lengths just to take away from Loki's feat lmao

[steel stirrup]

Your end

[tranquil blade]

Barto just needs to hold out until Blackbeard happens upon the island and Shanks runs away again

Obviously

[brittle basin]

Did just no one but Rocks and Harald have conq back then?

[iron oriole]

Barto should have just called him

[brittle basin]

Roger too I guess

[steel stirrup]

Bruh Destiny keeps dropping new characters when I'm broke and can't afford it

[strong wadi]

he meant holy knights

[sage temple]

Harald was the only HK with Conq

Plenty other non-HKs did though

[tranquil blade]

Barto dials in Blackbeard and Shanks instantly leaves the island

[steel stirrup]

Harald is the first HK that Gaban faced who had it i believe

[brittle basin]

https://tenor.com/view/oops-whoopsies-adam-de-vine-gif-7976025

[iron oriole]

only one Gaban fought*

[brittle basin]

damn and I read the chapter yesterday......

[hearty shore]

this is the meta for bari bari no mi

[stone terrace]

This is like the most people odas killed at once (in combat)

[sage temple]

Ok

[stone terrace]

113 soldiers all dead at the hands of harald

[brittle basin]

literally fodder

[trim lily]

none of them will see their families back at home

[knotty pilot]

true

[strong wadi]

Shamrock will definitely have conquerors, gunko is a maybe, and there will probably be 1 more holy knight with it excluding those 2

[frigid gulch]

Jarul’s helmet was too strong

[steel stirrup]

I forget that these dudes are the skeletons in the present.

Sucks to suck

[red lagoon]

Quiet sad

[brittle basin]

everyone will have conq the closer we get to the big final battles

[steel stirrup]

Git fucking gud

[red lagoon]

Quite

[frigid gulch]

Imu loans them haki

[trim lily]

thanks to chopper's patented acoc drug

[tranquil blade]

Didnt Lucci kill like a couple hundred guys in a flashback

[frigid gulch]

[steel stirrup]

Lmaoooo

[trim lily]

how else will the strawhats fight the knights

[heady smelt]

He did

[steel stirrup]

What's the interest rates on ts

Slavery?

[strong wadi]

I assume Marineford had at least a thousand deaths, it's just not talked about

[frigid gulch]

It’s part of the contract

[steel stirrup]

😭

[distant vine]

Fair enough. I'll still maintain they had a win condition that they just didnt know about, but they did doubt victory

[strong wadi]

And the wano raid should have had quite a lot from both sides

[sage temple]

Well it's clear Loki could handle Harald a lot better than either of them could

[tranquil blade]

If you pretend fan letter is canon then it feels like thousands of people shouldve died just from strong characters clashing

[iron oriole]

but... if Gaban has only fought 1 HK with Conq.... that being Harald, but has fought multiple HKs presumably.... does that mean Imu doesn't have Conq

[steel stirrup]

Imu: "Says right there in the fine print, 'your soul is mine', see?"

[distant vine]

Well we clearly see he does

[sage temple]

And Gaban himself doesn't prove capability to kill a Holy Knight

[fossil nimbus]

the gorosei have coc, so Imu does

[frigid gulch]

He does ofc

[distant vine]

Unless that was Saturn's lol

[tranquil blade]

Well Imu isnt lending out coc haki

[heady smelt]

There's no way Imu doesn't have it, and as Imunko he unleashed it if I remember well

[trim lily]

unless...

[iron oriole]

okay i didn't expect serious replies

[ornate tartan]

there are new HKs probably
maybe a couple old ones like sommers still remain

[tranquil blade]

He just makes them physically stronger is what I figured

[distant vine]

Imu maybe didnt take over those guys then

[steel stirrup]

How did you arrive at this conclusion?

[strong wadi]

you can just argue he only loans it out for deep deep sea if you want to slander saturn

[distant vine]

He probably didnt care to save Shanks

[tranquil blade]

maybe boosts their armament

[distant vine]

Its just one kid

[iron oriole]

i wasn't being serious smh

[frigid gulch]

Accepting a contract with Imu seems to change the quality of your haki

I don’t know if it’s far fetched that he could loan it in some way

[tranquil blade]

Yeah your haki has evil aura

[steel stirrup]

Throw an emoji on that bitch or something I thought you were being deadass

[frigid gulch]

Especially if

[iron oriole]

[ornate tartan]

conq really has this community in a chokehold

[frigid gulch]

The abyss always spawns with haki

[distant vine]

I do wonder if Loki's DF has any special properties other than just boosting strength

I feel like it has to

[strong wadi]

it does we saw this chapter

[trim lily]

probably

[frigid gulch]

Or rather when they’re travelling

[tranquil blade]

Some fire ability I feel

and maybe an abyss counter

[trim lily]

im guessing it just happens to counter regen/abyss or whatever

[tranquil blade]

If Oda is good

[iron oriole]

that was part of the bit but i didn't think people would be serious about it

[fallen meteor]

Cloud properties

[distant vine]

Fire? Like...enough to leave a scar?

[tranquil blade]

...

[hazy cypress]

holy cook

[trim lily]

harald is the burn scar man

[steel stirrup]

I gotta try to remember that because I was like "How tf"

[sage temple]

Probably

[tranquil blade]

It depends on what his fruit is but Oda hid it

[sage temple]

Considering how Roger's crew couldn't actually kill a HK

[steel stirrup]

I know Kierran is smarter than this

[sage temple]

While Loki can

Interesting to me

Honestly

[iron oriole]

[trim lily]

is it

[steel stirrup]

I almost spazzed out

[iron oriole]

mb mb

[vocal fox]

crazy take

[sage temple]

This fruit is also labeled legendary like Luffy's

[trim lily]

i wonder if loki could beat sommers

[tranquil blade]

The castle is partially on fire so yknow

[fossil nimbus]

They most likely killed some holy knights

[sage temple]

Not really

[spice cairn]

His blood is flammable

[sage temple]

Gaban said they send the Holy Knights away

Not kill

[tranquil blade]

Why does Sommers have invisible thorns

[trim lily]

harald lives on a diet of pure oil

[sage temple]

I doubt they even could kill the HKs

[tranquil blade]

Like I get having thorns but why are they invisible sometimes

[steel stirrup]

I still dont get how Shanks was able to take down Loki without some trickery or some

[cloud adder]

absolute cinema

[sage temple]

Loki, in contrast, killed Harald

[trim lily]

for fun i guess

[sage temple]

Yeah, considering that a fight isn't even confirmed, lots of other possibilities are capable of happening

[trim lily]

there is no consistency to paramecias

[prisma yacht]

he got strong daily drinking buff

[steel stirrup]

This nigga just ate a Legendary Devil Fruit and killed an Immortal but somehow he lost to a nigga in Capri pants???

[fallen meteor]

Because love hurts you without being obvious sometimes

[fossil nimbus]

Then how did he know that conquerors haki is what kills them, I think they had to atleast kill one to know

[distant vine]

What's the second one guys?

In your opinion

[spice cairn]

Its poetic for love being hurtful when you least realize

[sage temple]

A 1v1 isn't confirmed at all

[fossil nimbus]

Yami yami

[spice cairn]

Gonna add to your theory.
What if Thatch is apart of Teech

[sage temple]

How do you know Shanks didn't team up with Whitebeard to do this

We don't know

[iron oriole]

Yami

[steel stirrup]

Bro must have had a 4 year time skip or some shit because how tf

[distant vine]

Calling the editors to confirm it rn, dont worry

[sage temple]

It could've been a lot of interconnected factors

[strong wadi]

Moria's is a decent guess imo

[spice cairn]

Teech, Thatch and Eris all in the same body

[sage temple]

Oh well I got an email from Oda today

[trim lily]

i feel like its nigh guaranteed to be yami or nika

[spice cairn]

[tranquil blade]

Oda has been pushing the limits of fruits more and more

[blazing depot]

My personal theory is the Op Op Fruit, since Doffy said he needed it to fully utilize the holy land’s treasure. Since Rocks end goal is becoming king of the world, he needs to become immortal

[knotty pilot]

oda will probably change bb fruit💔

[fallen meteor]

Idk about that
The theory is that Eris went there willingly - they are a duo working together

[spice cairn]

Thatch is the forced one

[sage temple]

Oda just told me Loki went against Shanks & Whitebeard, and almost won but Kaido joined in and saved Shanks and Whitebeard from getting killed by Loki

[tranquil blade]

Since he didnt seem to know much about Nika until Loki told him I think it's probably the yami yami

[spice cairn]

Only as a vessel for the 3rd piece

Hes also the stepping stone

Thatch and Teech are soulmates

Literally

[steel stirrup]

Still using email outside of the workplace in the pre-order for 2026 is wild

[sage temple]

My bad my bad

[iron oriole]

i think its much more likely for it to be the Yami as the 2nd DF Rocks was after

[prisma yacht]

what

[sage temple]

I should've used Linkedin

[trim lily]

oh wow i forgot about that

its not nika

[prisma yacht]

hellhole

[iron oriole]

nah its just gonna be the Yami Yami imo

[strong wadi]

Yami yami is definitely the obvious answer, but Moria's fruit, assuming its applications in the way Moria used it were wellknown, would create a way to revive the Galley-La.

[brittle basin]

But what does the treasure have to do with immortality? Or is Imu the treasure and thus immortal?

[knotty pilot]

the fruit can be retconned just like luffy's. who knows

[tranquil blade]

Istg if Yami Yami is secretly a zoan

[iron oriole]

who says they're actually dead though

[knotty pilot]

i hope

[spice cairn]

Might as well be lmao

Theres a reason why its "the strongest"

[prisma yacht]

yami yami too goated to be changed

[knotty pilot]

what i thought too

[trim lily]

dogshit

[iron oriole]

i doubt it'll be another renamed fruit

[spice cairn]

There's a very clearly an hidden factor to it.

[steel stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-blackbeard-marshal-d-teach-teach-teach-one-piece-gif-9498110310179648498

[spice cairn]

Not just for the fruit nullification

[strong wadi]

I would assume that Xebec would assume they'd dead considering they havent been seen in like 500+ years or whatever

[iron oriole]

it can turn off other DFs

[distant vine]

Harald tears down the world with his legendary Elbaph fruit, then Rocks presumably eats a fruit that lets him rule the ruins

[brittle basin]

So, Moria is coming back to accomplish this task?

[iron oriole]

that alone make its above all else

[distant vine]

[tranquil blade]

Just let a logia be a logia that happens to special not another mythical zoan 💔

I've had ENOUGH

[strong wadi]

Well Oda has been keeping him relevant.

[spice cairn]

It allows Teech to have multiple fruits.

[fallen meteor]

Deep down its all Zoans

[distant vine]

Isnt the Shadow Fruit a bit complex for Rocks to want?

[strong wadi]

Hand on shoulder meme...

[prisma yacht]

really need a bb centered arc

[iron oriole]

idt thats what does it

[blazing depot]

My assumption is the treasure Doffy is definitely connected to Imu or IS Imu’s existence. Also Doffy did mention he needed Law’s fruit to fully utilize it. Evidence is sparse but it makes sense to me

[iron oriole]

he had a weird body long before the Yami

[knotty pilot]

fr

[steel stirrup]

WELL THAT'S TOO DAMN BAD

[distant vine]

Ik he could revive Galleila giants but Hogback was part of that. Feel like it would take a lot of leaps in logic for Rocks to make that plan

[blazing depot]

The way this pages are framed makes the treasure 100% connected to Imu in a way

[fallen meteor]

thats from Eris being grafted into his body

[spice cairn]

Yeah, its from Eris being stitched to his back

[strong wadi]

Maybe that's why he let Stussy be apart of his crew hoping she would be useful in that way, but instead we just got Weevil out of it

[brittle basin]

lol this just made me think he needs to be immortal to control the hat

[blazing depot]

I mean I don’t fucking know it’s vague as hell 😭

[distant vine]

That boy BB fumbled his dad's dreams even with the power of Offscreen Haki then

[steel stirrup]

This is just Imu pulling out the hat she stole from her ex bf before he died and reminiscing

[blazing depot]

Doffy is literally this

[distant vine]

Bepo crushed his inherited will? Maybe Imu has some hope of doing so too

[strong wadi]

It depends on what you think the better assumption is:

The giants are alive despite being frozen for 500+ years

The giants are dead and their bodies are intact after being frozen for 500+ years

[prisma yacht]

[steel stirrup]

How did you arrive at this conclusion?

[tranquil blade]

The first one

[fallen meteor]

i assumed its some kind of magic ice thats lets you live
temporal ice, soul ice, idk

[stone terrace]

Ill take the first one

[scarlet nacelle]

oda after making loki's df yet another silhouette

[strong wadi]

Y'all only saying this cause of Saul

[fallen meteor]

mythical zoan ice

[strong wadi]

and y'all know it

[steel stirrup]

Give me that first option

[iron oriole]

i think its the former, Caesar was presumably using their DNA on his experiments to make Giants, he had to extract it somehow

[tranquil blade]

Well blame Oda for that hackery

[blazing depot]

Oda I’m begging you please make new logias

[prisma yacht]

all he did was run away after that surprise attack lmao

[distant vine]

If Rocks wanted the Ope Ope no Mi, and Blackbeard is the inheritor of his will, Blackbeard failed in getting it from Law

[tranquil blade]

That's on him for bringing Saul back

[steel stirrup]

Nah you need to let Moria go, Adam

[strong wadi]

I mean, the 2nd one doesnt stop that from being true

[brittle basin]

Wozuki Woria

[iron oriole]

i guess yeah

[steel stirrup]

Who in the FUCK said that the Ope was what Rocks wanted?😭

[distant vine]

FunkeMonke

[steel stirrup]

Well he's as wrong as a fish getting fresh air

[strong wadi]

People are just trying to come up with something other than the Yami yami, since it's the most obvious conclusion

I am people

[ornate tartan]

i don’t think what he wanted will ever come up again

plus one of the 2 fruits he wanted was already confirmed to us

[strong wadi]

Now this take is crazy

[ornate tartan]

and is in the hands of loki right now

[steel stirrup]

Bro is too Shanks pilled

[ornate tartan]

plus his own son has a fruit completely unrelated

[prisma yacht]

we need to know the dfs which are needed to defeat imu

[ornate tartan]

who clears him btw

nope rich

Teach is clear of Rocks

[strong wadi]

The yami yami is extremely obvious because he was likely taught the davy clan lore, which would be the same reason xebec would want certain fruits

[steel stirrup]

Wym

[ornate tartan]

he’s just a better character

[steel stirrup]

BB?

[ornate tartan]

way better imo

yes

[strong wadi]

Thinking he's a better character is fine

[steel stirrup]

Ah I see

[tranquil blade]

Well it's kinda hard to beat Blackbeard's Jaya moment

[ornate tartan]

i think teach has his own distorted plan

which doesn’t align with xebecs

the only similarity is the dream to be king of world

[strong wadi]

"only" he says

[ornate tartan]

why the hell would yall want a repeat of the same exact plan

[prisma yacht]

krome

if teach knows about imu

[strong wadi]

it's obviously different in some regards because Xebec was not aware of the existence of laughtale, so that on its own is enough of a difference

[steel stirrup]

To see if ts would've worked

[prisma yacht]

why wont he decide to go after the dfs his dad wanted

[strong wadi]

(Since Lodestar was only discovered after Xebec's death)

[ornate tartan]

us as the readers alr know that shit ain’t gon work

[steel stirrup]

Its not about the destination

[ornate tartan]

so it’s better for teach to have his own unique spin as a antagonist

[steel stirrup]

Its about the journey

[ornate tartan]

their methods are completely different

[strong wadi]

Having the yami yami is different. Going after one piece is different. Whatever plan he's cooking with "joining the WG" is different.

[ornate tartan]

Teach is currently trying to become a recognized king with a seat at the reverie

plz don’t tell me yall think that was in rocks plan

[steel stirrup]

No one said ts

Hold on now 😭

[strong wadi]

Arguing against his own demons

[ornate tartan]

i’m starting to lean towards Teach final villian
my preference anyway

[prisma yacht]

maybe but taking help from what his dad already found out wld only benefit bb

[steel stirrup]

He has seen the light

[brittle basin]

BB is the final villain. He will kill Imu.

[prisma yacht]

[steel stirrup]

Praise Nika

KROME HAS SEEN THE LIGHT

[cloud adder]

this plan is still goofy as hell, oda might burn the whole meal

[steel stirrup]

Mimi

Sybau

[urban lodge]

It's already completely charred

[ornate tartan]

Imu is annoying asf bro
ngl😂

[steel stirrup]

Mimi and Penny oh hell nah

[brittle basin]

I just learned what sybau means the other day. We need to make acronyms illegal SMH.

[strong wadi]

Obviously joining the WG is some sort of cover plan, and BB probably knows the WG will realize it's a cover plan. He's probably trying to get something out of how the WG will react to him.

[steel stirrup]

The two biggest haters ive ever met joining forces

Its like Kaido and Big Mom joining forces in Wano

[prisma yacht]

bb is actually the guy oda has been building up since the start he isnt going down before finale lol

[steel stirrup]

Bro Is the finale

[steel stirrup]

"Such eyesores"

[prisma yacht]

truu

[strong wadi]

There are definitely manga out there that have done this and they're still good.

[cloud adder]

yeah of course, im just saying i think its terribly cooked for the overall plot because why tf would the WG ever allow rocks' son to join, im still not over BB being a face-twin of Rocks and the Navy not clocking that when he was made a warlord

[steel stirrup]

Shanks can look like his daddy but BB can't?

See the double standards?

[ornate tartan]

shanksmas

🔥

[strong wadi]

They won't. and BB knows they wont. The point im making is the WG will make some sort of move because of this proposition and BB will take advantage of that move

[steel stirrup]

Chess not checkers

[ornate tartan]

rich fw the profile pic

wonder how many ppl remember that show

[steel stirrup]

How can u forget Shego

[strong wadi]

Call me beep me if you wanna reach me

[prisma yacht]

i did not recognize it

[cloud adder]

youre so dumb its crazy

[steel stirrup]

Thank you

[ornate tartan]

needa watch more

[brittle basin]

https://tenor.com/view/buffy-the-vampire-slayer-sarah-michelle-gellar-warning-beep-me-gif-8280930

[ornate tartan]

wb mines?

[steel stirrup]

If a Shanks fan is calling me dumb I must be doing something right

[ornate tartan]

uncalled for twin

😂

[steel stirrup]

😂

[prisma yacht]

lmaoo

[cloud adder]

yeah, ig letting garp die will cause more chaos for WG/navy

[ornate tartan]

damn bro doesn’t know😂

it’s easy too

[steel stirrup]

How easy is it

Garp huh

😂

[strong wadi]

I mean, just spitballing here, let's say this plan of having a hostage to join the WG is proposed. What if that leads to the navy sending a major force to Hachinosu. Well where is that navy force no longer? New Marineford.

So BB launches a surprise attack against a New Marineford with significant diminished forces or attacks Marejois because it's right there.

That's just 1 example of how BB could take advantage of a potential move the WG will make because he proposed this "Joining the WG" plan.

[frozen aspen]

WG suddenly loosing 90% of its manpower

[steel stirrup]

LMAOOOO

This is funny but true

[ornate tartan]

they good now
they got akainu

[steel stirrup]

LMAOOOOO

Lost to a 70 year old Cancer patient

"They good now"

Bro couldn't even stop 1HP Kuma from flash stepping away

[prisma yacht]

bruhhhh

[spice cairn]

I mean you can also consider he can sweeten the deal by giving out sensitive rev info

[prisma yacht]

i was saying

[ornate tartan]

sonido

kuma not human atp

[spice cairn]

Its clear that BB also has his sights on the revs.

[strong wadi]

They is no sensitive rev info atm

[spice cairn]

That we know of so far*

[cloud adder]

i hope and pray Akainu isnt dumb enough to leave New MF with poor defenses, but fair spitball

[spice cairn]

But its clear that BB is gathering as much as he can

Especially with Latiffes existence

Who is clearly preparing for something

[steel stirrup]

Bro was shooting 1 for 5

[strong wadi]

It's just 1 example. I'm sure people could theorize a dozen more.

[shadow knoll]

yo are we deadass

[cloud adder]

i just think WG/navy making any negotiations or attempts at fighting BB on his terms is too dumb

[shadow knoll]

there's a 3 hr vc going on right now

[cloud adder]

like, plspls navy/WG learn your lesson

[shadow knoll]

what are they even talking bout

[steel stirrup]

Well they are some dumb mfs so it'll work

[cloud adder]

VC goes into random yap, sometimes its not even one piece related

[strong wadi]

I mean, they arent known for making the best decisions. We saw Fullalead like 41 years ago. We saw how the WG handled Luffy

[steel stirrup]

Idk ask

[cloud adder]

i can cope through WG failing to deal with luffy in pre timeskip tbh

[shadow knoll]

oh it's been a while since you were here

[steel stirrup]

@keen quiver what yall talking about sis

[strong wadi]

"We will pay pirates to take over this land rich in resources or whatever"

[steel stirrup]

!me?

[tropic nova]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1010993473098354830/1013039429406969866/last_final.png

[stone terrace]

Was that nusjuros fault

[cloud adder]

is nusjuro the finance godhead?

[shadow knoll]

mimi alone is enough to subdue all the shanks slander that's been going on for a few days now

[stone terrace]

Yeah

[cloud adder]

what slander???

[keen quiver]

The world govt being pirates before

[cloud adder]

new chapter had nothing to lead to shanks slander

[shadow knoll]

[strong wadi]

it only leads to 14 years ago shank slander which is, in actuality, mihawk slander

[steel stirrup]

Holy peak

[cloud adder]

nah fr, whats the slander

[shadow knoll]

there's at least one shanks slander debate every 2 hours in this server

[cloud adder]

sheesh

[strong wadi]

I should no longer have to debate Mihawk fans about how Shanks of today is somehow weaker than the Shanks that lost his arm to Lord of the Coast

key word: should

[cloud adder]

poor shanks 💔

[shadow knoll]

the loki stocks are so high

[cloud adder]

Woki era

[shadow knoll]

even shanks stocks seems to hv crumbled

[cloud adder]

wtf are you talking about 😭

you keep saying shanks slander, shanks stocks down HOW BRO

[shadow knoll]

oh its abt whether shanks actually fought loki and beat him back then

[frozen aspen]

zoro victim

now that I think about it

zoro fighting akainu would be funny af

[cloud adder]

loki v shanks isnt happening until years later from the current flashback 💀

[strong wadi]

ATM the higher Loki stocks go, the higher Shanks stocks go until proven otherwise

[shadow knoll]

yeah that's not the point

[strong wadi]

The majority of fans are going to assume he lost a 1v1 to Shanks until proven otherwise. The vocal minority giving other possibilities does not matter in terms of stocks

[stone terrace]

Yeah thats why this is in no way shape or form a bad look for shanks lol

[frozen aspen]

next chapter is back to the present again

[strong wadi]

The shanks stopped Kaido leads to most people thinking Shanks whooped Kaido despite other possibilities; for example

[cloud adder]

man ppl hating just to hate during holiday season, crazy

[frozen aspen]

we will see what loki dod in the sea again at some other point

[shadow knoll]

that's what slander means dawg 😭

nah shanks vs loki getting off screened

[strong wadi]

If Oda isn’t a hack, the flashback will continue so we get an explanation of Lola

[cloud adder]

nah

shanks v loki will be onscreen because itll be quick

[shadow knoll]

[strong wadi]

It’ll be quick because he’s not gonna show Loki’s fruit in a flashback

[ruby moat]

Shanks will one tap using the move roger used on domi rocks

[cloud adder]

lola and things after harald's death arent relevant to what loki is supposed to be telling hajrudin about tho

[ornate tartan]

akainu isn’t a zoro victim that’s crazy hate😂

[strong wadi]

Neither is half the flashback

[ornate tartan]

he’s the fleet admiral

[cloud adder]

we needed harald context tho

harald flashback in loki flashback made sense

[strong wadi]

We didn’t need that much, Harald wasn’t even there for god valley

[cloud adder]

loki will get a second flashback later

[cloud adder]

but we needed rocks context for harald

and all these imu powers and stuff

[strong wadi]

We could just get rocks killed during god valley

[shadow knoll]

i mean go say that to oda then, he only said from 2026 the pace will increase

[strong wadi]

Harald reading about that would have sufficed

[cloud adder]

i disagree

we needed to see the domi-reversi-ing

[spice cairn]

Hes cuter pre betrayal

Y/N?

[cloud adder]

your name 😭

[strong wadi]

Ugly vs ugly so it doesn’t matter

[steel stirrup]

My glorious black King

[cloud adder]

everytime i see y/n....

[spice cairn]

Ok hes not THAT ugly man

[cloud adder]

he really is

[steel stirrup]

I think of Young Niggas

[spice cairn]

Beauty behold the holder or something something

[ruby moat]

He is quite ugly

[cloud adder]

source? i dont remember him specifically saying 2026

[spice cairn]

He looks chippier here

[ruby moat]

Both in looks and personality

[strong wadi]

He doesn’t even have a full set of teeth

[shadow knoll]

alright tjat doesnt sound good

[steel stirrup]

Wah wah nigga

[spice cairn]

Thats not a bad thing particularly

[shadow knoll]

are we deadass?

stop ragebaiting

[ruby moat]

Bb when he looks in the mirror

[strong wadi]

It is for most people, including me, beauty standards

[cloud adder]

was this in the most recent jump festa message?

[spice cairn]

You can still lack some teeth and still be gorgeous

[cloud adder]

who is another one piece char with missing teeth

[shadow knoll]

yes dawg 😭

[strong wadi]

Luffy lost it for a few chapters

[shadow knoll]

weren't you there when the jump festa was going on?

[cloud adder]

damn my b, i gotta do some re-reads of it, i just remember the stuff about meetings, laughtale, etc

[ruby moat]

Orochi hydra form

[cloud adder]

yeah but i mean permanently

[spice cairn]

Like he looks pretty wholesome

[steel stirrup]

And hes still pulling bad bitches

Maki and Tori thinks he's great

[cloud adder]

is BB the only char with permanently missing teeth?

[ruby moat]

Who?

[shadow knoll]

your standard in men is questionable

[ruby moat]

Dawg I don’t think u wanna get into the “women” Bb goes for

[spice cairn]

HE DOESNT LOOK AT BAD GUYS

[steel stirrup]

The girls on Hachinosu who were next to him

[cloud adder]

ace

[steel stirrup]

Why wouldn't I?

[spice cairn]

Cmon this is the same series with FUCKING Orochi and Charlos

And you are meaning to tell me hes on par with them look wise?

[strong wadi]

https://preview.redd.it/my-theory-of-one-piece-end-pls-rate-it-out-of-0-included-v0-2lbp2q119hwa1.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=8128117f094fd4dc1504e4261415017c5bbaae7d

Damn just more reasons for buggy and bb to be related, god damn

[spice cairn]

Thats very bad slander even for anti-BB standards

[ruby moat]

Bc he’s been showing grabbing a 16 year old girl crew kidnapped and asked Bonney to be his girl

[cloud adder]

buggy looks fine with missing teeth

bb is just uglyugly

[shadow knoll]

buggy's missing teeth adds character

bb's missing teeth is cavity

plus he looks like a creep

[steel stirrup]

He didn't know how old she was

We literally didn't know how old she was back then

Doesn't count

And what 16 year old girl?

Pudding?

[cloud adder]

BB was still coercing Bonney in that scene

[ruby moat]

[shadow knoll]

yo rich are we deadass?

[ruby moat]

Yea pudding

[shadow knoll]

doesn't count cuz he didn't her age?

[strong wadi]

Bb is a creep, yes, regardless of knowing or not knowing Bonney’s age. That part literally doesn’t matter in terms of him being a creep

[desert nest]

🥪

[trim lily]

most of his crew are creeps in some way

[ruby moat]

It’s interesting how Bb fans are cool with him having child slaves, as that’s just a pirate thing to do, but will try to defend against him being a creeper

[shadow knoll]

yeah this chat's cooked

bluko was right after all

[steel stirrup]

He didnt know she was 12 and she was in her age 20s form so no I dont count ts as weird I count it as "ignorance"

[desert nest]

Wha did bluko say GF

[shadow knoll]

yo

[spice cairn]

Not even going to partake in this discussion anymore but also I must work my chud job

[desert nest]

🤙

[unkempt sable]

Villain doing villain stuff can I say

[cloud adder]

what kind of job

[spice cairn]

Im a pharmacist

[strong wadi]

That just stops him from being a pedo, not a creep

[ruby moat]

I need a refill

[shadow knoll]

she said we all gotta get euthanized 😭

[trim lily]

imagine working a job instead of contributing to the also manga chat community

[steel stirrup]

Idk why Mimi tryna react to shit like her goats freaky ass father isnt the reason for Bonneys existence in the first place

[cloud adder]

very cool, hope its a chill day for you in this holiday season

[desert nest]

Why do you discriminate against pharmacies

[ruby moat]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/onepiece/images/5/54/Pudding_Held_Captive.png/revision/latest?cb=20240915150810 (16)

[cloud adder]

???

[spice cairn]

Contributing by diluting the concept of beauty

[desert nest]

😭😭😭

[cloud adder]

youre saying this like i like garling like that

[distant vine]

So now the son is guilty for the sins of the father?

[cloud adder]

i just glaze garling's design and shit

[ruby moat]

Deflecting to headcanon smh rich

[steel stirrup]

Like father like son

[cloud adder]

wtf

[shadow knoll]

[cloud adder]

shanks slanders are so weird

[unkempt sable]

[shadow knoll]

rich is ragebaiting

[steel stirrup]

[desert nest]

Im going to manga 1 🤙

[steel stirrup]

Shhhhh

[ruby moat]

“Like father like son” isn’t valid in one piece

Since Bb is a massive bum and rocks was rocks

[distant vine]

Its what destitution looks like. Losing so hard you got nothing left to slander with

[ruby moat]

Clearly “like father like son” is not the case

[unkempt sable]

Top 5 btw

[steel stirrup]

Massive Bum?

What does that make everyone who lost to him then?

[cloud adder]

rocks wasnt top 5

[ruby moat]

U Tgink I was talking about powerscaling

[pulsar path]

BB?

[shadow knoll]

only if socrates was here...

[ruby moat]

[pulsar path]

A super bum

[cloud adder]

rocks had top 5 potential tho, like ace 💔

[unkempt sable]

In general

[distant vine]

Victims of plot sword I guess

[steel stirrup]

Sybau