also-manga

[wraith mantle]

Does Roger lose to kaido?

[sacred timber]

In a 1v1 always bet on Waido

[shadow python]

Lokis feat here is insane

[dapper tree]

Rocks was Roger's first and strongest opponent. For that Roger during that that, clearly after that everyone got stronger and surpassed rocks. The few who mattered anyway

They both do

[pine scaffold]

bro no

[dapper tree]

Yes my guy

[blazing depot]

You dummy

If it’s 1v1 always bet on Kaido

[wraith mantle]

Does Roger lose to kaido?

[trim lily]

famously

[dapper tree]

Rocks fought a much weak Roger and Garp

[blazing depot]

1v2 however idk

[dapper tree]

Well Roger on the other hand got older and much much stronger

[shadow python]

Roger got so strong he was even with Whitebeard Rocks' underling

[dapper tree]

That's a good fight. I still probably give it to roger

[sacred timber]

Still it was a 1v2 which makes a big difference

[shadow python]

Roger probably got stronger but there's not much reason to assume Garp did

[tranquil blade]

Regular Rocks idk really

[shadow python]

God valley Garp was prime Garp

[dapper tree]

Sure that's fine. But prime roger would one shot his god valley version of himself

Like

Same with garp

[frigid gulch]

?

[tranquil blade]

Domi Rocks is killing Kaido tho

[dapper tree]

Nope

[tranquil blade]

W Headcanon

[wraith mantle]

Do we really have anything to go of off here or is it just vibes

[dapper tree]

Not even close

[brittle basin]

smh imagine getting low diffed by something you can't even see with the naked eye. -1 for humanity. return to monke.

[tranquil blade]

Pasta can you admit that this is all headcanon from you and you cant prove it

[wraith mantle]

Like

[pine scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-all-folks-the-end-its-over-gif-21774675

[tranquil blade]

Can you just admit it now

[wraith mantle]

Rocks, Roger, harald, WB, kaido are all in the same tier

[dapper tree]

It's kinda crazy to think he was either at his peak or like 2 years away from his peak at God valley

[tranquil blade]

The second you started talking about one shotting I knew you were making shit up

[frigid gulch]

I don’t think they were too far off from prime

[pine scaffold]

are people trying to make Rocks and Harald weaker cuz of Loki

IS THIS WHAT THIS IS ABOUT

[sage temple]

Harald compares his post-buff to his pre-buff from Imu

[frigid gulch]

They seemed to be pretty knowledgeable and proficient in haki

[wraith mantle]

Niggas really taking this whole ragnir thing being harald level too seriously lol

[sage temple]

This means Harald without the Imu buff couldn't wield Ragnir

And to wield Ragnir, you have to beat it

Loki did

[distant vine]

Prime Garp > Domi Reversi ACOC Ragnir Loki

[sage temple]

So it's not that farfetched to say Loki at that time is stronger than base Harald

Honestly

[wraith mantle]

Yeah like what power ups did Roger acquire post gv??

[sharp isle]

a moustache

[frigid gulch]

I think it would just be stronger haki

Nothing else

[brittle basin]

was Harald powered-up by the abyss mark similar to domi reversi?

[dapper tree]

If you think Roger was at his peak at God valley thats on you

[tranquil blade]

Yeah

[dapper tree]

How many more years was roger around after god valley

[frigid gulch]

But he is already quite proficient in haki by that point

[tranquil blade]

Can you prove this

Prove it

Please I want you to prove this right now

[dapper tree]

I mean, y'all can't do the same

[wraith mantle]

The abyss mark gives you a power up but idk if it’s as big of a power up as DR

[shadow knoll]

these guys are having a full blown meeting in manga discussion

[sage temple]

"Prime Garp > Domi Reversi ACOC Ragnir Loki"

[wraith mantle]

And like how much of a diff is that

[frigid gulch]

We saw him use conq coating and I think ryuo years before

[dapper tree]

We know years later WB got the world's strongest title and roger tied with him. Garp never stopped training and getting stronger. He had to train to beat chinjao. All after god valley

[tranquil blade]

You just pulled the "ah ah you cant prove it isnt true" card, but the burden of proof is on YOU 🫵 not me

[frigid gulch]

Oda hasn’t really detailed fs for the old gen

[shadow python]

We see domi Rocks one shot Whitebeard. Lose to Garp and Roger combined and later on see Whitebeard draw with Roger.

If anything one could argue Roger got weaker

[frigid gulch]

But he coulda had it

[sage temple]

Top tier headcanon

[frigid gulch]

There’s not too much to go up from

[dapper tree]

Not really

[sage temple]

This is almost as good as saying Shanks will give Loki openings and be a massive help in killing Harald

[distant vine]

How many years passed between GV and the year of Roger's death?

[dapper tree]

Multiple characters got stronger and progressed after god valley

We are told this

That included garp and roger

[tranquil blade]

To an unknown degree yes

[frigid gulch]

Well it’s unknown

[dapper tree]

Otherwise garp would never have to train

[ancient dune]

Like 13 ?

[dapper tree]

WB would have already been the strongest

[sage temple]

How do you know they got stronger by maybe 1 percent

[dapper tree]

Tied with Roger

[shadow python]

Roger probably got stronger but I don't see any reason to think Garp did

[dapper tree]

Since God valley

[dapper tree]

Garp kept getting stronger

[frigid gulch]

Garp gets stronger doing whatever he did

?

[dapper tree]

He was constantly training

[frigid gulch]

Fighting Roger

Training

[dapper tree]

He trained to beat chinjao

[frigid gulch]

Fighting pirates really

[sage temple]

You said Roger was getting buffed

[shadow python]

Garp was already at his prime in God valley arguably past it

[distant vine]

Them being equals means they increase at similar rates

[tranquil blade]

Garp did his like 8 mountain punching training

[sage temple]

He did?

[prisma yacht]

Chinjao> harald?

[frigid gulch]

Garp was 40

[wraith mantle]

Maybe big mom got stronger too and now she’s stronger than rocks

[sage temple]

Interesting

[dapper tree]

Yes

[frigid gulch]

Roger was 39

[distant vine]

No no no

[dapper tree]

Garp says that himself

[wraith mantle]

Fuck it

[hot cairn]

WHAT lmaooo

[sage temple]

Chinjao > Harald

[wraith mantle]

Sengoku is stronger than rocks too

[frigid gulch]

Not much of a difference

[dapper tree]

Yeah man

Like

[shadow python]

But Garp wasn't an equal. The only man said to be equivalent to Roger was Whitebeard.

[prisma yacht]

😭

[pine scaffold]

no stop

[dapper tree]

Sengoku was

Like

[pine scaffold]

Sengoku is a bum

[prisma yacht]

Fraud

[shadow python]

Garp cornered Roger constantly but you can say the same for Smoker and Luffy

[wraith mantle]

But they lived past rocks and trained a bit more 🥺

[urban lodge]

Garp wasn't Roger's equal because he was actually stronger

[sage temple]

Yeah just ignore the other entire human being that said it first

[dapper tree]

Idk why its so hard for people to accept that people surpassed rocks.

[prisma yacht]

[dapper tree]

Like rocks died way early on

[sage temple]

Pay them respects too you farud

[dapper tree]

Amd everyone kept growing

[distant vine]

Garp >= Sengoku > Roger = Base Rocks

[frigid gulch]

It doesn’t mean they surpassed

[prisma yacht]

Rocks kinda gave us crazy feats

So it's understandable

[shadow python]

The one we know who surpassed Rocks is Loki

[dapper tree]

The like 5 people who mattered did

[sage temple]

This is kinda crazy though

[grand flower]

Link?

[shadow python]

And maybe the squirrel

[frigid gulch]

Based on what

[dapper tree]

Oh boy

[sage temple]

Loki at 16 with no DF or Ragnir was able to beat the being Harald couldn't beat pre-Imu buff

Insane

[tranquil blade]

I've never seen a single statement say any one pirate surpassed Rocks, the only ones you can arguably say this for are Roger and Whitebeard

[shadow python]

Harald was even with Rocks and was unable to beat the squirrel. Harald got a power up and immortality and was killed by Loki

[wraith mantle]

And I doubt they surpassed him by much

[shadow python]

From what we've seen Loki is above Rocks

[tranquil blade]

Since they are the two highest bounty pirates in recorded history by the current day

[dapper tree]

Roger, WB, Kaido, BM, Garp, all got over whatever rocks used to be

[pine scaffold]

Yall make it seem that because they surpassed Rocks/Harald, they would just get one shot by Roger...

Which cannot be the case

[frigid gulch]

There’s nothing really concrete enough to say it one way or the other id say. However Kaido still considers Rocks someone capable of fighting him

So it’s a close matchup at min

[wraith mantle]

Big mom 😭 😭 😭

[sage temple]

Loki is the only man that can kill a regen user other than Imu so far

Craazy

[wraith mantle]

This nigga is seriously unserious

[pine scaffold]

BIG MOM IS NEVER BEATING ROCKS

[dapper tree]

Stop trying to pivot to hyping loki

[shadow python]

I don't see where Roger fits in here

[dapper tree]

She is

[pine scaffold]

there is no reality where she beats Rocks

[tranquil blade]

We're gonna get people saying Kid can beat Rocks soon

[sage temple]

Stop trying to ignore the facts

[tranquil blade]

and I like Kid but I wouldnt say that

[dapper tree]

Kid is close probably

[frigid gulch]

What about Kid vs Shiki

[dapper tree]

But he's losing rn

[pine scaffold]

RAGEBAIT

[tranquil blade]

Pasta I might slime you out

[prisma yacht]

😭😭😭

[frigid gulch]

Bait

[pine scaffold]

guys this is ragebait

everyone ignore

[dapper tree]

It's not even ragebait

Lmao

[wraith mantle]

Bogard also surpassed rocks

[dapper tree]

Kid isn't winning

[pine scaffold]

Pasta thinks Kid is roughly Rocks level

[tranquil blade]

Shiki actually does solo him unless it's movie Shiki

[dapper tree]

[pine scaffold]

ROCKS IS NOT GETTING ONE SHOT BY SHANKS

Get out of here

[wraith mantle]

Actually good rage bait

[sage temple]

Needless glaze

[grand flower]

Why did Kaido and big mom stalemate for multiple days?

[sage temple]

That ragebait was ass

[dapper tree]

The kid thing is unique

[shadow python]

Shiki was a rival of Roger's and on level with prime Whitebeard

[tranquil blade]

I dont feel like Rocks would be treated as such a big deal if he's kinda just not shit in the current era

[shadow python]

Please respect the dead

[dapper tree]

Also Shanks has haki comparable to Joyboy according to dorry and broggy

So

Like

Come on man

[wraith mantle]

I honestly think they didn’t fight to actually kill each other

[sage temple]

Everyone has Haki comparable to Joyboy

[dapper tree]

Rocks ain't beating shanks rn

[sage temple]

If I compare my lack of Haki with Joyboy's huge Haki

Look now im comparable to Joyboy

Wow

Hot dog

Stfu

[prisma yacht]

[shadow python]

The haki in joyboys leftover string surpassed Rocks Whitebeard Garp Big Mom Roger and Kaido combined

[dapper tree]

Touched a nerve did I

[tranquil blade]

I think what I've gotten from this is that everyone's powerscaling opinions but mine are bad

[grand flower]

Well we’re told they were, including by them

So that’s not on the table

[dapper tree]

Sorry, let me hype loki to get on your good side

[prisma yacht]

this is so funny

[sage temple]

Yeah sorry

You full on just stepped on a neve

Punctured it

[pine scaffold]

@steel stirrup people here think Rocks is near Kid's level in power

WHAT IS GOING ON

[sage temple]

Just chewing on it as we speak

[dapper tree]

You've reached powerscaling nirvana. I took am at that level

[shadow python]

This is why you should use feats rather than opinions

[sage temple]

True

[tranquil blade]

I still remember what you said about Sommers vs Jack, and then you switched up....

[sage temple]

Last time we've seen them together, Loki was stronger than Shanks

[shadow python]

Lokis feat though is the most impressive in the series

[steel stirrup]

They're rage baiting

Thats sounds like something a dumbass would say

[dapper tree]

Other way around

[shadow python]

The thing is we know that Shanks beat Loki. I just don't see how given this

[dapper tree]

Kid is approaching Rocks

[sage temple]

Loki was stronger than Gaban and Shanks combined only 14 years ago

Just letting yall know

[pine scaffold]

You're trying to downplay Rocks/Harald to make Loki look like a bitch

[sage temple]

Loki could handle Harald while Gaban and Shanks have never killed a regen user once in their lives

[dapper tree]

I mean, Jack loses to Sommers. Jack has no coc but Jack is still gonna kick his ass

[pine scaffold]

I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING

[sage temple]

[prisma yacht]

Oh makes sense

[steel stirrup]

As Kid sinks into the bottom of the sea yea he probably is getting close to Rock's body

[dapper tree]

Also very true

[prisma yacht]

LMAOO

[pine scaffold]

Kid is never going to have a haki clash which wipes out everyone from 5km

Harald and Rocks did that

[dapper tree]

Ehhh

[pine scaffold]

No they did, read the manga

[dapper tree]

I mean, I guess that's cool

[urban lodge]

Traitor

[neon citrus]

so how did loki end up in chains?

[tranquil blade]

I mean Luffy never did that technically

[knotty pilot]

they did but new gen will surpass the old

[sage temple]

@neon citrus

[pine scaffold]

its like everyone just hates Loki

[steel stirrup]

"Ooh you lied to me"

Looking Ass

[sage temple]

Shanks winning a 1v1 with Loki is not confirmed at all

[dapper tree]

I like loki he's like top 15 in the verse rn

[sage temple]

Them 1v1ing in the first place isnt even confirmed

[prisma yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/hand-on-shoulder-akakichi-no-eleven-everything-will-be-ok-my-brother-in-christ-we're-gonna-beat-you-gif-16692013677699419935

[tranquil blade]

I mean it is true that eos Zoro would be able to low diff half the old gen but you have to respect them a little

[distant vine]

I'll formulate my defense once VIZ comes out

[sage temple]

It might not have been a fight

[distant vine]

Letting you know in advance

[shadow python]

It looks rather unlikely right now that Shanks beat Loki legitimately

[dapper tree]

Naw, shanks could have

[tranquil blade]

Shanks used poison

[shadow python]

I wasn't expecting Shanks to get involved with Harald but since he did it looks pretty clear cut

[tranquil blade]

I saw it

[dapper tree]

Not really an issue

[pine scaffold]

people are gonna tell u its likely since Harald and Rocks lose to akainu

[sage temple]

So once Loki is hyped it's a problem about translations

[pine scaffold]

WATCH

[steel stirrup]

I'm having trouble buying ts after this last chapter

[sage temple]

Loki could have won and someone else saved Shanks last minute

We don't know the specifics

[dapper tree]

Ehh, that one is much closer

[neon citrus]

but why take loki down in the first place?
does he go berserk?

[glacial bear]

Is discord nitro worth it?

[sage temple]

So you can't really talk like you do know specifics lol

[dapper tree]

OK pal

[lofty fern]

It was 8 years later, Shanks can grow a lot, and giants canonically grow slower

[pine scaffold]

Rocks was literally killing admirals

[sage temple]

Nobody knows

[pine scaffold]

hes not losing to akainu

[urban lodge]

No

[sage temple]

Yeah agree with me because I am right

[tranquil blade]

Magellan let Shanks borrow some of his poison which allowed him to beat Loki obviously

[distant vine]

I didnt say TCB is wrong

[sage temple]

Loki and Shanks fighting not being confirmed is a definite fact

[prisma yacht]

no

[sage temple]

This isn't confirmed at all

[distant vine]

I just want all the cards on the table is all

[sage temple]

Okay

Well I'm just saying

If Loki was this much more capable than Shanks 14 years ago

[knotty pilot]

who would save shanks

[frigid gulch]

Domi Rocks vs HK Harald who wins

[pine scaffold]

Domi Rocks

[sage temple]

Whitebeard? Other Roger pirates?

Literally anyone

[wraith mantle]

yeah they did say that, ig good point
i just cant see kaido and big mom on the same level of strength based on their protrayal and onscreen feats, but if thats what Oda is trying to convey, sure i will accept it

[pine scaffold]

I was expecting HK Harald to start doing solo sky splits

[lofty fern]

Imu

[sage temple]

Maybe it was a Kaido situation where it was an 8v1 against Loki

[tranquil blade]

It's kinda crazy that Mihawk really would kill both of these guys

[pine scaffold]

or something on that level

[knotty pilot]

6 years ago?

[frigid gulch]

I actually do wonder what the strength boost is

[sage temple]

We don't know

[pine scaffold]

but he didnt really

[sage temple]

Yes, 6 years ago

[steel stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/luffy-zoro-brook-one-piece-gif-5376805

[sage temple]

Whitebeard existed 6 years ago fyi

[frigid gulch]

At least in comparison to the other

[wraith mantle]

has shanks surpassed roger?

[knotty pilot]

old btw

[pine scaffold]

if u compare HK Harald and Domi Rocks, Rocks is clearly the stronger one

[steel stirrup]

Hell no

[tranquil blade]

I dont want to say yes

[pine scaffold]

in terms of feats

[frigid gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/dracule-mihawk-mihawk-one-piece-shocked-drinking-gif-16734192470485005389

[dense rapids]

He’s not Pirate King

[tranquil blade]

They have swords

You know what that means

[sage temple]

Yet clashes with Shanks in the current story

[steel stirrup]

No one has surpassed Roger yet thats one of the points of this story

[sage temple]

That would be like 1.8 Shankses against Loki if Whitebeard and Shanks teamed up against him

[sage temple]

I don't hear "old btw" when Whitebeard does this

[knotty pilot]

i dont think anyone would save shanks 6 years ago not including the crew

[pine scaffold]

we seen none of this from harald

[sage temple]

Well you can think that

But it isn't impossible at all

[knotty pilot]

bro whitebeard didnt even save oden

[sage temple]

Yet Whitebeard clashes with Shanks

[steel stirrup]

Thats a solo split imo

[sage temple]

Roger didn't even save Oden

Does that mean Roger is a fraud

No

[pine scaffold]

it 100% is

[sage temple]

What are you on about

[tranquil blade]

I mean it's like trying to compare powerups that are equally vague

[prisma yacht]

😭

[frigid gulch]

True but I think the battle was supposed to be confined to the castle

[knotty pilot]

whitebeard considered oden a brother tho

[sage temple]

Okay?

[frigid gulch]

Realistically that castle shoulda been gone

[alpine trench]

the victim complex is CRAZY

[pine scaffold]

ngl Harald barely used acoc here, only until later in the chap

He was using it all the time in base

[tranquil blade]

because if it wasnt Loki wouldnt have ever been framed for Harald's death

[pine scaffold]

wtf is Harald doing bruh

[tranquil blade]

At least not on his own

[steel stirrup]

He did fuck all to save him

I know Wano is closed off and their news doesn't reach the outer world but gah damn

[sage temple]

You're acting like Whitebeard attempted and failed miserably in a 1v1 or something

Whitebeard not saving Oden doesn't make him weak

[frigid gulch]

The most he used seemed to be the big blast

[tranquil blade]

He's fighting like regular giants for the most part

[frigid gulch]

That alerted Shanks & Gaban

[tranquil blade]

and he is immortal

[pine scaffold]

There is ONE panel of Harald using acoc in this entire chapter

[sage temple]

This doesn't deny the fact that he clashes with Shanks recently

[pine scaffold]

like are u shitting me

[alpine trench]

everytime you use "ngl" i think you're lying through your teeth

[sage temple]

This is kind of similar with Egghead Luffy in g5

He didn't really use much

[pine scaffold]

This is a big Oda problem, since it happened with Big Mom too

[frigid gulch]

Shanks already had conquerors coating by this point

[sage temple]

True I am just a petite boy

[sage temple]

True

[pine scaffold]

why give these abilities to these characters if u decide to make them not use it

whats the point

[sage temple]

Yet he couldn't handle Harald like Loki could

[knotty pilot]

i didnt say that lol

[frigid gulch]

Indeed

[sage temple]

Then whats the point of saying Whitebeard didn't save Oden

[frigid gulch]

But he also was trying to save him

[knotty pilot]

like kaido was his crewmate once but cmon

[alpine trench]

do you think he'll use it willy nilly on people he thinks are beneath him

[knotty pilot]

if he didnt save his brother, imagine shanks

[tranquil blade]

Do you think Shanks got such a high bounty so quickly because he's considered to be a traitor to the WG or did he just get involved in so much pirating stuff he was that huge without the CD stuff being a factor

[sage temple]

Imagine Ace

Whitebeard risked his life to save Ace

[pine scaffold]

Domi Rocks used it against everyone

[sage temple]

Although not really initially

[pine scaffold]

why wouldnt HK Harald whos also brainwashed

[sage temple]

Whitebeard saving someone is not that farfetched

Lmao

[alpine trench]

yeah because rocks was fighting people like whitebeard, roger, garp, big mom and kaido

why do you think he would use it against people like some bumfuck marine

[frigid gulch]

He actually did use it on the giants

[knotty pilot]

ace was his son

[sage temple]

Oden not getting saved doesn't equate to Whitebeard being incapable of trying to save anyone

[frigid gulch]

But maybe not every time

[pine scaffold]

Harald was facing Shanks and Gaban tho

they arent slouches

[sage temple]

Maybe Whitebeard likes Shanks more than Oden

Maybe Whitebeard helped Shanks because he is "the destined child"

[tranquil blade]

The giant guards were basically just trying to stall him and probably werent strong enough to warrant haki that powerful

[pine scaffold]

Harald DOES use acoc haki later in the chapter, this gets confirmed by Gaban

BUt he only uses it super late in the fight

[alpine trench]

they're not but the majority of people fighting him were those fuckin giant guards

[pine scaffold]

why not use it as soon as he faces them

[upbeat yarrow]

im pretty sure robin getting a 80m bounty on her head as a 9 year old answers that, but could be the latter

[sage temple]

So was Loki

And he stood ten toes against Harald

[frigid gulch]

Was he

[frigid gulch]

The tiny panel

[pine scaffold]

Harald then stopped using acoc when Shanks and Gaban left

[frigid gulch]

He blasted them with it

[pine scaffold]

btw

[steel stirrup]

Hold this One Tap you lil Rodent

[pine scaffold]

he goes back to not using it against the guards

[hot cairn]

https://x.com/pewpiece/status/2005291323629388087?s=20

Pew (@pewpiece)

SCOPPER GABAN

X · Dec 28, 2025, 2:54 PM

[red lagoon]

Fuck he need acoc for them bum ass guards anyways lol

[frigid gulch]

I would say

Harald is fighting like a brute

[alpine trench]

the reason i posted that is not related to what you did

[frigid gulch]

So he’s just doing whatever

He could decide to use it

Decide not to

[sage temple]

How do you know that harsh

[alpine trench]

my point is that harald is being a brute and of two minds, fighting internally

[sage temple]

Maybe I read your mind

[steel stirrup]

All that for a leg

[frigid gulch]

He exchanged weapons several times

[sage temple]

Took the words right out of my mouth

[tranquil blade]

I almost forgot he threw away his sword and was just using whatever

[sage temple]

Anyways Loki was able to kill a HK while nobody else could so far

[pine scaffold]

we know Harald regained control over his body thanks to Loki mauling him

[frigid gulch]

Rocks technically was also fighting like a brute

[sage temple]

True

[frigid gulch]

But maybe to a lesser extent

[sage temple]

How so

[tranquil blade]

I mean Rocks was kinda always like that tho

[frigid gulch]

He used haki a ton still

[sage temple]

Harald was fighting pretty normally

[frigid gulch]

Was he

[sage temple]

It's an internal battle

He can't control his body

[pine scaffold]

I feel like if Harald was able to use acoc 24/7 the situation would be a bit different imo

[frigid gulch]

Harald fighting normally uses a sword but he shuffled the weapons in his hands many times

From sword to axe to spear to punches

[tranquil blade]

Well because the sword is in Jarul's head

[alpine trench]

haki is a finite resource

[sage temple]

Pretty similar

[frigid gulch]

He can use a random sword tho

Like Jarul’s

[pine scaffold]

ik haki eventually runs out, but Rocks seems to have a big reserve of it as Domi form

[tranquil blade]

I would say Harald was just fighting with more brutality than he normally would

[pine scaffold]

so HK Harald should too

[sage temple]

Well Loki fighting normally uses a normal hammer that's cylindrical and he just ate a devil fruit

[frigid gulch]

Yea I would say this is the same. Harald is going ballistic in that second panel too

[sage temple]

Saying this makes his fighting any less effective is pretty headcanon-ish I'm ngl

[frigid gulch]

Yes but Harald shuffled his weapon many times

In a short span

[sage temple]

Okay

?

So does Gear 5 Luffy

[frigid gulch]

And is swiping at anything in his way

What

[red lagoon]

Bruh

[sage temple]

Yeah because he's trying to kill them

[frigid gulch]

This isn’t about that

[sage temple]

Once he fights Loki, nothing is in his way

It's literally a 1v1

[frigid gulch]

Yet again youre acting like I’m tryna downscale Loki

[grand flower]

Big Mom is every bit a monster as Kaido idk what Yall mean

[sage temple]

By that point

[frigid gulch]

Always with you

[sage temple]

oh mb

[muted hedge]

https://x.com/trungroi2/status/2005269221547360375/photo/1

有害無罪 (@trungroi2)

🍶&☘️

X · Dec 28, 2025, 1:26 PM

[sage temple]

[pine scaffold]

do u think if Harald used acoc vs Loki it would be different

[sage temple]

I think Harald did use ACoC against Loki yet we couldn't see enough of it since Oda's hiding Loki's fruit

I don't see any reason not to

But ofc at the end Harald let Loki hit him

[pine scaffold]

Oda showed other characters in the chap use acoc

but never Harald in that last spread

[frigid gulch]

He got like one attack in

Then after he just took a beating

[pine scaffold]

no acoc on it

[sage temple]

Well Harald barely uses ACoC period ngl

[sage temple]

That one attack?

[pine scaffold]

He used it in the whole rocks vs harald fight

[sage temple]

I mean in this chapter

Bruh

[frigid gulch]

I mean I doubt one takes him out

[pine scaffold]

and in mary geoise

[frigid gulch]

[pine scaffold]

oh yeah thats what I meant

[red lagoon]

I think we at a point where we have to realise oda doesn’t always draw the haki

[pine scaffold]

Yeah but Loki aint gonna be able to no sell an acoc slice to the chest like he did

that slice had no haki on it

😭 😭

ofc loki would tank it

[sage temple]

He barely even uses ACoC on Gaban and em

[pine scaffold]

thats what im saying

[sage temple]

Oh yeah I forgot

[pine scaffold]

if Harald did use acoc, I think this whole thing would be different

they'd be facing a way stronger opponent

[red lagoon]

Shi maybe

[sage temple]

I think it would be about the same honestly

Since Loki gave Harald no chance to attack

[iron oriole]

i'm of the opinion that if someone has X haki unlocked, they're always using it when possible, it just makes things easier than arguing over shit like "did Luffy use Conq on Egghead"

[sage temple]

In their bout

[pine scaffold]

Shanks and Gaban literally gave up fighting Harald after he pulled out acoc

[red lagoon]

That’s what I do now Aswell

[pine scaffold]

but then Harald stopped using it after that

[grand flower]

It really is this simple

[red lagoon]

Oda shows a character having the ability to use acoc once I just assume they always using it when using haki

[iron oriole]

Oda should just outright say it in an sbs

[pine scaffold]

there was one chance

[iron oriole]

yeah this is what i think

[frigid gulch]

I’m sure it depends on the enemy too

[pine scaffold]

no later

let me get the panel

[red lagoon]

Oda uses sbs to talk about namis and robins boobs he never 💔

[sage temple]

Every character in One Piece doesn't use ACoC every chance they get

[pine scaffold]

look

[sage temple]

And I doubt that would've even made a difference

[sage temple]

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[grand flower]

Oda is very much a “ima depict this so you get the picture and can assume that’s what’s gonna keep happening”

[frigid gulch]

Like last chapter Gaban and Shanks didn’t automatically use it

[sage temple]

That is ACoC

[frigid gulch]

And they used it this chapter

[pine scaffold]

u see the haki lightning on Harald too

[sage temple]

True

[frigid gulch]

To make a point to us

[frigid gulch]

I guess you could say it’s different but

[iron oriole]

to me it just doesn't make sense for someone not to use their strongest haki possible when possible, so if someone has conq/acoc etc, i just believe they always use it

[pine scaffold]

they werent really trying here, but this chapter they 100% were

since they started using haki

[red lagoon]

Like how he told us sanji and zoro got haki during the ts but doesn’t draw it on

[frigid gulch]

We already technically knew anyway

[sage temple]

Why wouldn't they be trying

[pine scaffold]

no haki on it

[sage temple]

They know he's a Holy Knight

[pine scaffold]

read the next msgs bruh

😭

[sage temple]

Bruh ok

[pine scaffold]

I said this chapter they were trying

just not last one

[sage temple]

This chapter we only see 1 attack from them

[frigid gulch]

I don’t think Rocks’ big attack against Garling was drawn with lightning

[sage temple]

And then they let Loki take over

[frigid gulch]

But it had conquerors for sure

[sage temple]

Trueeee

[pine scaffold]

Gaban and Shanks literally give up after this

They just decide they cant win

[frigid gulch]

Also I guess Rayleigh attacking Sommers

[pine scaffold]

next time we see them they are with Jarul

[frigid gulch]

No visible haki

[pine scaffold]

maybe he didnt actually bypass regen there

he just sent him flying with no haki

[frigid gulch]

Rocks was the same

His attack

But we didn’t see Sommers past that point

Until the end so it’s hard to determine that stuff

[pine scaffold]

we didnt see a lot of chars ngl

GV was messy

😭

[red lagoon]

Do u think they just gave up fr

[spice cairn]

https://x.com/pewpiece/status/2005289611543904545?s=46&t=cPXMZvr1mzJF4W4U5oDjlA

Pew (@pewpiece)

new Chopper key visual for onepiece live action season 2

X · Dec 28, 2025, 2:47 PM

[frigid gulch]

I remember people tryna slander Kaido for this “new” conquerors application

[frigid gulch]

Turns out it’s nothing new

As expected

[barren token]

Guys can I be honest

[spice cairn]

He looks like a chihauhau

[barren token]

I think live action chopper is really cute

[spice cairn]

Cunk is about to lie

I mean yeah hes cute

[pine scaffold]

yes, we never see them again in the chapter until the end

[spice cairn]

Id hope so

[pine scaffold]

Shanks looks sad as hell

[spice cairn]

Cause making him ugly would make me unreasonably angry

[frigid gulch]

Shanks is crying ?

[brittle basin]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-live-action-chopper-dancing-dancing-chopper-tony-tony-chopper-dancing-chopper-wiggle-dance-gif-5646562366854074446

[frigid gulch]

[pine scaffold]

Wasnt strong enough to win

[sage temple]

Shanks realizes the glaze went to Loki

[iron oriole]

Shanks knows he failed

[spice cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-live-action-chopper-dancing-dancing-chopper-tony-tony-chopper-dancing-chopper-wiggle-dance-gif-5646562366854074446

[pine scaffold]

and also his friend died

[frigid gulch]

But yea

He’s hearing Harald speak

[pine scaffold]

I think we just need to accept that acoc is very inconsistent

[frigid gulch]

Knows he has to be killed

[pine scaffold]

even in this chapter

[barren token]

Probably mostly because of what happened with harold but also yeah shanks js crying because hea a fraud

[frigid gulch]

Makes sense

Fraunks

[sage temple]

True

[spice cairn]

Shanks failed hence the crying

[sage temple]

Loki lend me your power this is your dad I'm going against!

[spice cairn]

Did Shanks cry when BB butchered his eye

[iron oriole]

how would we know

[tranquil blade]

Maybe a little

[iron oriole]

we never saw it

[barren token]

He did yeah

[sage temple]

Asking us like we're google

[frigid gulch]

Tears of blood

[spice cairn]

I mean listen its most likely the case since yknow

That fucking hurts

[pine scaffold]

I just realised Loki/Harald never used haki in their final fight 😑

[iron oriole]

'tis but a flesh wound

[pine scaffold]

this is so dumb

[tranquil blade]

Zoro wouldnt cry if it happened ot him

[wraith mantle]

they pulling a big mom

[spice cairn]

Teech probably told him "CAT GOT YOUR EYE" or something equally cheesy

[shadow python]

Harald realized Loki was a conqueror mid fight meaning he was using Acoc

[pine scaffold]

this shit doesnt even make sense cuz they used haki at other points in the chapter

LIKE COME ON BRUH

[shadow knoll]

damn you guys be yapping so much

[spice cairn]

At least we know Shanks can actually shed tears

Thats good at least

[wraith mantle]

would you belt your own child with a haki coated belt?

[iron oriole]

Shanks stopped crying after this

[wraith mantle]

vice cersa for your dad

[barren token]

We have seen shanks cry before

[spice cairn]

Hmm well I doubt those fake tears

[heady smelt]

This panel just shows how great Roger and Garp are as fighters, they reasoned and thought what had to be done to counter it while fighting Rocks, but it was risky

[barren token]

This is not the first time shanks has shed tears on page

[spice cairn]

This was genuine crying methinks

[barren token]

Leave with your baseless shanks slander

[sage temple]

This cracks me up ngl

[shadow knoll]

larp and loger

[spice cairn]

OK BUT STILL

[shadow knoll]

go hand in hand

[sage temple]

Shanks was crying Oda glazed Loki instead of him this time

[spice cairn]

This was Shank's moment

[knotty pilot]

i guess, altough shanks needing help (except his crew) seems unlikely

[spice cairn]

Im glad Oda gave me a peace of mind

[tranquil blade]

It's not even slander for me anymore it's just hate

[barren token]

L

[knotty pilot]

shanks will be glazed more in the future

[spice cairn]

Isnt slander and hate an synonym

[sage temple]

Well regardless. Nothing confirms or makes Shanks fighting Loki in the first place overwhelmingly likely

[shadow knoll]

avery hates shanks

[sage temple]

Okay

[shadow knoll]

[sage temple]

So will Loki

[barren token]

Slander is what you do when you hate something

[sage temple]

Loki was stronger than Shanks 14 years ago

[spice cairn]

And hate involves slandering someone

Usually unfairly

[sage temple]

Factual btw

[thick mango]

Sometimes slander is just fun

[tranquil blade]

slander is not truthful

[iron oriole]

i actually like Shanks however, a BB victim is a BB victim

[tranquil blade]

hate can have truth to it

[spice cairn]

Hating can also be untruthful

[knotty pilot]

ur not wrong, but it could have still happened

[shadow knoll]

shanks stocks rose up after mihawk fight

[spice cairn]

And slander can be appropriate depending on one's actions

[shadow python]

When was that?

[knotty pilot]

oda loves to glaze shanks tho

[thick mango]

Yeah you know someone's stronger when they lose a fight resulting in them getting chained to a tree

[barren token]

Nope!

[strong wadi]

slander can be a half-truth

[sage temple]

Yeah, Shanks getting saved last second could have also still happened

[spice cairn]

Like I can say you smell like apples but what if thats true

[sage temple]

"fight"

[spice cairn]

Then what

[sage temple]

Headcanon

[shadow python]

Shanks is going to lose his arm soon there's not much time for his clashes with mihawk

[spice cairn]

He already lost an arm

[sage temple]

Them fighting in the first place is not confirmed you bloke

[tranquil blade]

Well then I guess I smell like apples

[knotty pilot]

seems unlikely but ig

[shadow knoll]

this is why Oda should start killing characters, if they ain't alive there's not gonna be slander

[sage temple]

Shanks winning a 1v1 seems unlikely too but ig

[barren token]

You can slander dead people

Whitebeard didn't wipe his ass

[red lagoon]

Why

[barren token]

See

[shadow python]

Like Oden

[prisma yacht]

Wise words

[spice cairn]

Oda made people believe this is normal behavior

[shadow knoll]

[tranquil blade]

That actually could be true tho he was old

[spice cairn]

So we should put Oda into a boiling pot

[vernal ravine]

is almost a fact that shanks became much stronger with 1 arm rather than with 2 which can lead to uncomfortable conversations

[thick mango]

Call it whatever you want one of them is roaming free as an emperor one of them is chained to a tree.
Maybe his fighting skills are off the charts but evidently his avoiding being chained to a tree skills are lacking

[iron oriole]

Unc quota filled for the week

[spice cairn]

Who did it thougu

Did he just not wipe?

[shadow knoll]

[sage temple]

Because Loki was stronger than Shanks 14 years ago and this was with an brand new, unawakened fruit that he has no real mastery of

[shadow knoll]

newgate was a bidet user after all

true brit

[knotty pilot]

gaban stated that shanks crew was the only one to stop loki bcs no one else could, we dont even know if it was 1v1 but shanks became a yonko after that

[spice cairn]

Bidet dont exist in OP right

After all idt we've seen one

[barren token]

Where are you getting the Loki being stronger than shanks thing

[spice cairn]

Especially on an old gen pirate ship

[tranquil blade]

He's got uhh caretakers, it's kinda like a retirement home

[thick mango]

If you don't use a bidet you're throwing your shitting experience for no good reason

[knotty pilot]

i wonder why too

[iron oriole]

his head ofc

[strong wadi]

The best thing about Loki's strength being confirmed is that 99% of Loki4Nakama posting should end

[spice cairn]

So I suppose it was one of those ladies with him on introduction

[red lagoon]

Loki could have gotten stronger but what’s to say shanks didn’t get stronger too

[wraith mantle]

not shanks crew, red hair, singular, only shanks himself

[spice cairn]

Would that be an honor? Or embarrassing?

[tranquil blade]

It's possible

[red lagoon]

There’s more pointing to shank putting belt to Loki than not

[shadow knoll]

i mean there's always gonna be inconsistencies in terms of power scaling

can't do anything abt it

[sage temple]

Oh no Loki doesn't look good enough for qbz while being chained to a tree!

[wraith mantle]

its possible loki was a good boy and didnt put up a fight

probably foresaw the terrible belting he would get via FS

[spice cairn]

Yeah you can

[prisma yacht]

Gaban didn't mention shanks' crew btw

[knotty pilot]

ty bro shanks>loki

[shadow knoll]

but Oda will still prolly make Shanks incredibly strong

since he is the child of destiny

[spice cairn]

You mean Shanks IS strong right?

[red lagoon]

Oda makes characters as strong as he needs them to be

[heady smelt]

"reign of terror", this is crazy how they frame Loki for literally anything

[knotty pilot]

iirc he did when talking of loki 6 years ago

[brittle basin]

we definitely need to know what and why it all went down

[shadow python]

He is strong he one shot Kidd

[prisma yacht]

Only shanks

[sage temple]

Gaban stated that nobody could stop Loki UNTIL Shanks. He doesn't say it was a 1v1 and we don't even know when Shanks became a Yonko relative to that interaction

[red lagoon]

Croc went into impel down and came out 1000x stronger cause oda needed him to be adding logic to characters strength is pointless

[spice cairn]

Its because prison makes you harder

[iron oriole]

@knotty pilot

[wraith mantle]

loki must have done some truly terrible for shanks to hunt him down, especially with shanks knowing everything that went down in the castle

[sweet anvil]

Loki is probably like top 5 rn

[spice cairn]

Its commentary on the prison system

[sweet anvil]

Mihawk dragon and shanks the only people stronger fr

[spice cairn]

So obviously Crocodile got stronger

But it also made him a hardened criminal. Worse than before.

[red lagoon]

U don’t go in prison pre gear Luffy lvl and come out clashing with doffy and Mihawk

[craggy vapor]

there has hotta be a variant of this meme for Urouge

[spice cairn]

Good thing Prison makes you come out clashing with Doffy and Mihawk then

[thick mango]

What good are fighting skills if they lead to you chained up to a tree. I'm an outcome oriented person

[sweet anvil]

Oda is just drawing shit atp

[shadow python]

Mihawks feats are relatively non existent he's helped a lot by his Shanks comparison

[sage temple]

Viz:

[vernal ravine]

in this case it was the opposite he nerfed crocodile in arabasta cause we know he fighted with whitebeard before even he lost

[sage temple]

Use officials next time you bloke

[sweet anvil]

0 reasoning just straight bs 🥹✌️

[red lagoon]

That’s what I’m saying ur as strong as oda what’s u to be

There’s no logic behind it

[sweet anvil]

The impel down training routine must have been devious

[brittle basin]

Something is up. the worst thing we've seen Loki do is to the village, which was to get vengence for some of them murdering his true mother

[sage temple]

Good thing I'm an income oriented person

[heady smelt]

"FOR US" this was basically Elbaph's request!!

[blazing depot]

Always read Viz

[prisma yacht]

😭mihawk but no bb is wild

[red lagoon]

If oda needs someone to be a certain strength he will with no logic behind it

[sweet anvil]

bb is the strongest I just don’t have proof of it to say it

[blazing depot]

Viz > TCB >>>>>>>> Google Translate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OPScans

[frigid gulch]

Croc realistically shoulda known haki by that point

But..

[wraith mantle]

yeah its weird

[frigid gulch]

It wasn’t really established by that point

[thick mango]

It's like talking about your passing yards in a game you lost. The point of fighting skills is to prevent outcomes like being chained to a tree

[knotty pilot]

yeah i checked the panel and only stated shanks, ty

[vernal ravine]

the proof is he likes cherry pies

[blazing depot]

A real man ALWAYS speaks ill of OPscans

[wraith mantle]

if loki were to rampage, he would rampage against the WG/marines and former rocks pirates who abandoned rocks

[shadow python]

Crocs will was broken. He also didn't particularly need it for Luffy

[red lagoon]

Think bout it after seeing what happened with his daddy he probably started wildin against the wg

[shadow python]

A single scratch with the poison hook was enough to kill him

[brittle basin]

[sweet anvil]

Oda when you ask him how crocodile got stronger by being locked up and malnourished for a couple months

[knotty pilot]

ty 🫶

[wraith mantle]

but why would shanks have a problem with that

[iron oriole]

too soon

[wraith mantle]

look at that ragebaiting grin lmao

[shadow python]

Loki is the hope or the future he can't be allowed to die yet

[iron oriole]

Nika isn't back

so he locked Loki up to wait for Nika to come

[strong wadi]

Oda when you ask him how PH Smoker will be Admiral level in his next appearance

[sweet anvil]

Oda is lowkey a hack but we aren’t ready for that conversation

[sage temple]

What?? You don't even know if these people witnessed it. The translation itself suggests the giants weren't even there when Loki was captured.

Also, saying "red-hair" here doesn't necessarily mean Shanks did it alone.

I could say "Strawhat Luffy beat Kaido!" when in reality it was a 20v1 sequence of repeated battles.

And again, you used TCB for this

[brittle basin]

Oda makes no mistakes.

[knotty pilot]

it makes sense for shanks becoming a yonko after that incident with loki 6 years ago tho

[red lagoon]

Loki could have tried to free galley la or fight against the wg and shanks know Lokis power is needed and didn’t wanna risk him dying

So he had to stop him

[tranquil blade]

Smoker will be stronger than any Zoro opponent (besides Mihawk) so far when he comes back

[sage temple]

Loki could genuinely mean that Shanks is a coward

[stone terrace]

Gaban has like 2 chapters to explain his snake behavior

[sweet anvil]

Without any good reason as well btw ✌️

[shadow python]

Gyaban is just weak all there is to it

[red lagoon]

This could also be why he thinks shanks is a coward for stopping him from fighting the wg instead of helping him

[sage temple]

Okay it also makes sense for Shanks to have already been a Yonko and Elbaph sought out this emperor to catch Loki for them

[iron oriole]

snake behaviour?

[red lagoon]

Especially after he saw what happened with harald

[sage temple]

So nothing is definite at all

[heady smelt]

Future couple ❤️

[sage temple]

I don't get why you're trying so hard to make it seem that way

[tranquil blade]

I need more interactions between her and Franky

[prisma yacht]

Lying about loki

[strong wadi]

I'm assuming Loki went off the deep-end and started killing innocents/ruining the giant's reputation, destroying everything Harald had helped build, leading to why Gaban/Shanks had to capture him despite knowing the truth.

[stone terrace]

Leaving loki locked up in a prison for a crime he in fact did not commit

[sweet anvil]

Everyone in one piece is a fraud snake or a bum

Apart from dragon

[iron oriole]

they probably all collectively agreed to lie to protect Haralds image

[wraith mantle]

well, you can argue that maybe its shanks or maybe its shanks + his crew

but the literal text so far says its red-hair, no mention of his crew. And it's Gaban saying this so its possible he got the full scoop from Shanks himself

[prisma yacht]

Wanna see a future couple ?

[prisma yacht]

[shadow python]

Loki was locked up for something that happened in the next 8 years not necessarily this

[knotty pilot]

shanks beating someone with the strenght of loki and being recognized as a yonko seems more likely tbh

[stone terrace]

We know loki still wants to be free so there needs to be a better explanation than them colluding

[frigid gulch]

That should be covered next chapter

[prisma yacht]

[red lagoon]

Deffo to me

[heady smelt]

100% APPROVED

[shadow python]

Maybe Loki was trying to marry Mosa but Shanks knew how old she was

[wraith mantle]

wait was it gaban

or some giant

[glacial bear]

If One Piece had social media. It’d be so messy lmao

Big News Morgan will be TMZ

[iron oriole]

people ragebaiting Kaido on twitter

[clever idol]

"Oh look at me. Im loki. Im the strongest giant. Hot. Have two dfs and i get to be with the mermaid princess."

[strong wadi]

If Oda had been peak, the explanation would have been that Loki was never chained up in the first place, just pretending to be, or Shanks had let him out of the chains because he knew it was time for Loki to go into action.

But I'm sure we will get an explanation, even if it was worse. (Yes, I realize we wouldnt get the gunko/shamrock moments if this occurred)

[frigid gulch]

I’m pretty sure the consequence is that Loki would be locked up but he escaped and was out at sea for 8 years. Then he was caught by Shanks and shipped to Elbaf which gave them a chance to lock him up

[glacial bear]

LMAO

[frigid gulch]

It’s all for the same “crime”

[sweet anvil]

Shanks would be talking crazy about Blackbeard but ghosting when he says to run the fade

[glacial bear]

Sommers would definitely be the incel

[prisma yacht]

Woooohhooooo

[frigid gulch]

That they probably all decided to cover up

[sweet anvil]

Real

[clever idol]

Is loki really cursed?

Cuz its not looking like it

[brittle basin]

Loki is not cursed

[sweet anvil]

He is

[brittle basin]

unfortunate, sure

[sweet anvil]

He has weird eyes

[brittle basin]

Ida would never call Loki cursed. Be more like Ida.

[clever idol]

He has everything a pirate dreams of

[iron oriole]

"his eyes are weird, he must be cursed"

[clever idol]

Fame power wealth

[shadow python]

That's just a guess and doesn't really line up. Shanks knows the truth of this incident there's no reason for him to want Loki arrested for this when he and Gyaban were relying in Loki to do this very thing

[red lagoon]

Idk why I sense a paragraph coming

[sage temple]

I can argue that it wasn't even a fight at all.

And it doesn't really matter that the context said "red hair" and no mention of his crew or anyone else.

Law, Zoro, Luffy, Minks, and plenty of other people worked together to beat Kaido in the grand scope of things. But if I say "Strawhat Luffy beat Kaido" this doesn't automatically mean it was only Luffy who went up against him even though I didn't mention the specific names of everyone that pitched in to do this together

[sweet anvil]

You’re starting to get it now

[frigid gulch]

Is Ida Oda

[wraith mantle]

is it possible loki wanted to go back to elbaf to protect it, but he couldn't come back as the person who killed the king, so he allowed shanks to capture him?

[frigid gulch]

[brittle basin]

She's better than Oda.

[frigid gulch]

Loda

[shadow python]

If Loki wanted to be here he wouldn't ask Luffy to free him

[strong wadi]

I would have liked this if it was like the message I had just posted, which is Shanks would have released him on his most recent trip to Elbaf since he knew the time is now

[clever idol]

Keep on fighting brother

[red lagoon]

I think Loki wanted to fight the wg but shanks stopped him because it’s not the time yet

He probably knows Loki power is key to stopping the wg

[clever idol]

Can u be quiet

[sage temple]

Not really. it being a fight isn't any more likely than it not being a fight. This is literally 50/50 we are given no specifics on the situation except Loki thinks Shanks is a coward because of it and Loki was captured

[heady smelt]

People from Elbaph are stupid, as a people they're not very cool. The ancients refused to let Harald marry Ida, when there was a famine they also targeted poor Ida because she was a "stranger", they all despised Loki based on his reputation...I'd almost say they'd deserve to become Imu's slaves if there weren't the good giants who are friends with the straw-hats

[strong wadi]

No

oops wrong reply

[clever idol]

Like shut up with that logic shit

[knotty pilot]

fr, and loki wouldn't listen to shanks's words so it was for sure a fight

[heady smelt]

I was like omg this is blazing fast 😂

[sage temple]

It wasn't "for sure" a fight at all

[sweet anvil]

No one deserves to be a slave bro wtf 😭

[red lagoon]

This how I see it ye

I don’t see Loki going down without a fight

[knotty pilot]

shanks stopped loki. how would he do that

[sage temple]

You can't get this into your head dawg

[knotty pilot]

same

[clever idol]

Everyone who disagrees with this is ashy

[knotty pilot]

how the hell would shanks poison loki

[heady smelt]

Ofc not, I mean my point was that they're not like all good anyway, but yeah ofc no one deserves slavery

[sweet anvil]

Our society is worse than elbafs do we deserve to be slaves

[clever idol]

Loki let shanks win

[gloomy tree]

oh god Socrates on his favourite discussion topic again

[ornate tartan]

why would he tell luffy he’s just kidding
and why would he call shanks a great pirate to shamrock

answer those 2 questions

[red lagoon]

Lmao

[clever idol]

Some of us do

[knotty pilot]

loki would NOT agree with shanks lol

[sage temple]

You're acting like there's no other possibility but Loki and Shanks fighting

[iron oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/big-trouble-if-i-speak-if-i-speak-i-am-in-big-trouble-speak-big-gif-23519858

[sage temple]

There are plenty of them

[red lagoon]

I’m not saying there isn’t but the most likely one is shanks whooped Loki

[sweet anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/what-do-you-mean-by-that-gif-10559980082154008380

[knotty pilot]

exactly

[stone terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/gif-gif-5954507867062176869

[gloomy tree]

thats not an option for Socrates

[shadow python]

We also know that at least 14 years ago that Shanks was considered weaker than Loki pre fruit. With Gyaban viewing Loki as their only chance to beat Harald rather than either of them

[wraith mantle]

yeee.. i am starting to really think this capturing thing is probably not what it seems to be

[red lagoon]

😭😭😭

[clever idol]

Many ppl deserve to be my slaves

[pine ridge]

Lend me some lightning ragnir, this is 1 armed shanks we're up against

[gloomy tree]

even though ia gree with him that its not clear and there are other options for sure

[sage temple]

But when I said "Loki ate the legendary DF of Elbaph" back then people couldn't help but say "maybe it was someone else" or "maybe it was Nika"

[shadow python]

Pre fruit Loki was superior to Shanks 2 years before he lost his arm. Since then Loki gained the fruit, gained the squirrel and Shanks lost an arm

[sweet anvil]

Any people specifically 🤔

[red lagoon]

Why does shanks being weaker than Loki now mean he can’t surpass him

[shadow python]

Assuming Shanks 1 v 1'd Loki considering this is now much more suspect

[sage temple]

There are always different possibilities when you think Loki gets a win but it's all of a sudden ironclad once there's a chance Loki loses anything

[knotty pilot]

the shanks downplay is insane

[frozen aspen]

calm down charlos

[clever idol]

The anti loki crowd for one

[thick mango]

Shanks is on his way to a bad collision with bb imo. Maybe loki will help

[stone terrace]

I would enslave oda and only i would be able to read the chapters and then id drop hints like redon for every chapter but only the hints

[sage temple]

"Loki loses Ragnir"
"Loki lost to Shanks, no way it wasn't a fight"

[sweet anvil]

Because I don’t like Loki 🥹✌️

[clever idol]

Its saint charlos to you, flea.

[frozen aspen]

half of the server

[sage temple]

https://tenor.com/view/homelander-gif-27532263

[sweet anvil]

Not me though right ✌️

[heady smelt]

A way Shanks would've been able to win against Loki is thanks to his future sight imo

[ornate tartan]

i hope the flashback doesn’t end until this event happens

[thick mango]

Lokis OK. I like him more than kinemon. But i like vp more

[red lagoon]

Why do u take it as people going against Loki like people haven’t been thinking ussop would world a powerful hammer since before Loki

[gloomy tree]

definitely possible

[sage temple]

Why does Shanks capturing Loki mean it couldn't happen any way other than a 1v1 where Shanks won

[prisma yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/right-natalie-portman-star-wars-rd-btc-gif-24051918

[sage temple]

You're acting like there's only 1 possibility

[heady smelt]

He didn't seem to have trained it to an extreme point in the flashback

[sweet anvil]

Vegapunk and rocks probably the best characters we got in a while

Vegapunk was flawed but I liked him

[knotty pilot]

poison, agreement and hostage seem unlikely imo

[red lagoon]

I never said it’s one possibility bruh

[ornate tartan]

loki is a better character then rocks

[red lagoon]

U take any other opinion like a war against Loki 💔

[sage temple]

poison, agreement and hostage seem likely imo

[distant vine]

We're gonna be locked into war the next couple of weeks Socrates. I hope youre ready to duel

[sweet anvil]

No

[pine ridge]

so loki got out smarted

[distant vine]

For our GOAT's honor

[thick mango]

I'm not saying it couldn't have been an Nv1 or some kind of sneak, I'm saying the goal at the end of the day is to win, not be good at 1v1s. And there's no question loki lost in an objective sense

[gloomy tree]

poison seems likely, how and why

[prisma yacht]

😭

[red lagoon]

How is agreement likely when we seen Loki dislike shanks

[shadow python]

There's a very strict timeline here. Shanks stopped fighting Mihawk post luffy. So the next two years is as strong as Shanks is going to get unless we assume he's stronger post losing his arm

[knotty pilot]

loki would definetely not listen to shanks words so yeah

[knotty pilot]

and loki doesnt want to be imprisioned lol

[ornate tartan]

rocks really accomplished nothing when I look back at this flashback

[sage temple]

I'm not saying Loki won or lost in a 1v1 against Shanks. I'm saying there is no way to know for sure meaning that entire situation is inconclusive

[shadow python]

We also don't know where Lola fits in anymore

[heady smelt]

Future sight, just like Shanks vs Kid I bet

[red lagoon]

What kind of agreement could shanks have with Loki to lock him up when Loki wants to be free

[iron oriole]

Shanks probably did try to talk to Loki first & come to reason with him but it probably did break out into a fight

[quiet ice]

Did anyone get a message request for some Google play game

[shadow python]

Shanks could promise to bring Lola back to elbaf

[wraith mantle]

fair enough, its still up for interpretation ig, looking forward to a definitive reveal in the manga

[knotty pilot]

exactly

[pine ridge]

"I won't kill you if you surrender"

[prisma yacht]

krome that's not a very nice way to look at it

[sweet anvil]

He didn’t accomplish his main objective he still accomplished other things bro

[red lagoon]

😭😭😭

[thick mango]

I think the disagreement is going to be over the pace and means of going against the wg.
I think loki was recklessly going against them ASAP in a way shanks views as destined to fail and potentially causing risk to his long term more cautious plans. This would also square with loki viewing shanks as cowardly

[knotty pilot]

loki would NOT listen to shanks advice

[red lagoon]

He saved his family on gv

[ornate tartan]

what are those things

destroying 5 towns

[red lagoon]

That’s bout the extent of it

[spice cairn]

I think you hit the nail on the head.

[frozen aspen]

he killed the admiral agenda

[red lagoon]

This is what I think as well

[wraith mantle]

kuma did lmao

[shadow python]

Rocks had a whole resume listed of his accomplishments at sea

[prisma yacht]

Nopw
did you

[wraith mantle]

rocks was about to kill said family

[shadow python]

But the big thing is he was the strongest

[red lagoon]

Ik but u have to give him 1 w😭

[quiet ice]

Yes

[tranquil blade]

Admirals were weaker back then

[knotty pilot]

fujitora goated tho

[spice cairn]

Admiral bar was very low yeah

Thats probably the only cope I can offer

[ornate tartan]

oh yeah he’s a good character

[wraith mantle]

i mean he killed an admiral and humiliated a holy robbo commander

[prisma yacht]

What game

[sweet anvil]

• taking out an admiral
• forming the strongest crew we’ve ever seen
• was the catalyst for a new era like Roger and wb

[wraith mantle]

bro is the ultimate WG hype killer

[iron oriole]

especially with it being 6 years ago...

Shanks: listen Loki... this isn't the time to go against the WG etc, soon Nika will return you just have to wait

Loki: I AM THE SUN GOD NIKA WHO WILL DESTROY THE WORLD, I DO NOT NEED TO WAIT FOR ANYONE

[knotty pilot]

fr

[brittle basin]

Holy Robbo lmfao

God's Robbos

[prisma yacht]

Garp is better btw

[spice cairn]

Not to be that guy, but people will sing a different tune once Sakazuki does something

[frozen aspen]

yeah he singlehandedly killed any and all garling hype

[brittle basin]

Should we call them the God's Roppos?

[shadow python]

Sakazuki is about even with Kuzan and we see what Kuzan can do

[spice cairn]

The Celestial chefs

[prisma yacht]

Sof mega boooo for you

[frozen aspen]

Celestial frauds

[shadow python]

Sakazuki is about as strong as old man Garp he's not at the level of past legends

[iron oriole]

he's at the level of delivery boy