also-manga

[warm fossil]

I hate zoans

[tranquil blade]

I've heard fox I've heard horse I've heard dragon

[clear rose]

another zoan instead of a paramecia that can like bend gravity or some shit

[warm fossil]

zoans are the cause of all wrong in one piece

[brittle basin]

I definitely thought I saw a horse in that silhouette at first

[strong wadi]

mythical creature would need something about affecting the mind in its lore

[rugged sinew]

Bend gravity...

[brittle basin]

We'll never escape the shadow of Wano.

[rugged sinew]

[wraith mantle]

wano, egghead, and elbaf

[warm fossil]

enies lobby is the problem

[wraith mantle]

this is mythical zoan piece now

[lofty fern]

That's what I saw too

[tranquil blade]

Soon: The legendary mythical zoan of Lodestar

[brittle basin]

Oda gave loki this fruit 'cause he just wants to draw a cool creature as an excuse

[thick mango]

If oda really wants to lean in, make the one piece a mythical zoan

[clear rose]

I mean I hope its cool who knows if he'll fumble the design or not

[unique lagoon]

awakened logia is our only hope
to stop this zoan obsession

[rugged sinew]

Mythical Zoans give the chance for cool transformation while still having paramecia powers

[warm fossil]

animal transformations gotta be top 1 worst powers ever

[wraith mantle]

nidhogg special hax is that he is immune to CC

cant be domi'd

[brittle basin]

that fruit better be very unique with all this "it's special for giants" thing

[frigid gulch]

Zoan Piece

[hot cairn]

why do people hate mythical zoans

[warm fossil]

i hate zoans in general mythics aren't the issue

[rugged sinew]

Contrarianism is cool

[hot cairn]

thoughts? @fallen meteor @fallen meteor

[wraith mantle]

oda got the silly out of his system with the squirrel, he should be locked in and serious with loki's DF now

[tranquil blade]

It makes user bigger and stronger but if user is a giant its even bigger and stronger

[frigid gulch]

If you see something relatively frequently, it can get stale

[digital spear]

I think we officially have more mythical zoans than logia now

[wraith mantle]

they were cool at first

[tranquil blade]

Nah technically not yet

[frigid gulch]

Just like all the Hakimen

[desert nest]

I love the squirrel so much

[wraith mantle]

but now its just a bit overused

[tranquil blade]

Unless you count the gorosei

[rugged sinew]

Cloud logia sounds like it would overlap with Smoker already. Even more than CC did

[lofty fern]

Harald feels like he shattered like Rocks. Though his body will probably be in one piece in the next chapter

[wraith mantle]

wano, and egghead were overloaded with mthical zoans

[desert nest]

I just need dragon to have the Quetzalcoatl fruit and we gucci

[tranquil blade]

If you do then there's absolutely more myth zoans than logias

[warm fossil]

if dragon doens't have a logia i'm dropping

[tranquil blade]

Pleaseee Dragon be wind logia

[digital spear]

Yeah im saying there might be even without the Gorosei now

[tranquil blade]

Please Speed I neeeed this

[warm fossil]

its insane how much lamer it is to transform into a creature than into an element

[urban lodge]

Dragon will be a quetzalcoatl zoan and you know it

[digital spear]

Lets pray to Speed he will

[tranquil blade]

I think there's still more logias than confirmed mythical zoans but by like maybe 2 or 3 at most

[cold steppe]

Wait until it's revealed there's no such thing as logia

[wraith mantle]

is qillingham's a mythical zoan as well

[tranquil blade]

Yes

[urban lodge]

Yes

[rugged sinew]

It's way less hard to find mythical animals for power than it is to find elements

[warm fossil]

its really really not

there are so many elements

[hot cairn]

they still are lowkey

[hot cairn]

LOL

[urban lodge]

They're still cool

[desert nest]

🙏🙏🙏

[muted hedge]

https://x.com/NadalCaique/status/2004568192774222151/photo/1

NadalCaique (@NadalCaique)

Ragnir - One Piece

#onepiece #onepiece1170

X · Dec 26, 2025, 3:01 PM

[rugged sinew]

Oh yeah, because Oda will go the element table and say let's make a sodium man, a aluminum man and so obn

[hot cairn]

Dragon is probably a wind logia

[tranquil blade]

Logias: Akainu, Kuzan, Aramaki, Kizaru, Caribou, Smoker, Crocodile, Monet, Karasu(?), Ace/Sabo, Enel

[warm fossil]

not those types of elements brother

[desert nest]

Give them a rumble ball

[distant vine]

People really like Ragnir

[warm fossil]

forest and swamp are both logias

[wraith mantle]

mythical zoans are lowkey paramecias in disguise so i am not too mad about it

[warm fossil]

no

[rugged sinew]

Where as, for mythical zoans, you can literally take a mythical creature out of many mythcal creatures that there are in one of many folklores

[warm fossil]

imagine if instead of some bum ass fox yamato had the sauce logia

wano would be a 10/10

[tranquil blade]

logias are generally based on elements seen in like fantasy stories like earth, wind, fire or are based on biomes like desert, woods, swamp

[pulsar path]

The squirrel is a mythical fyi

[tranquil blade]

Well I guess Crocodile is just sand but same shit

[clear rose]

https://tenor.com/view/the-rock-confused-gif-6671145833913723201

[rugged sinew]

Forest is the only interesting logia that has popped up of late

[digital spear]

@rugged sinew

[clear rose]

did you just say bee and glue

aight man

[unique lagoon]

well at least they gave an alternative answer for this one

[wraith mantle]

pee logia

[tranquil blade]

Bee is a special logia

[digital spear]

peak right

[tranquil blade]

Where you turn into bees

[warm fossil]

sauce logia is missing

[unique lagoon]

bee logia? real

[digital spear]

sorry

[hot cairn]

yeah like

[rugged sinew]

Oh yeah, the krill element

[clear rose]

wendy's 4by4 paramecia

[muted hedge]

a blood logia would be cool

[shadow robin]

I think we need to revise the prophecy mural one last time. Looking at it, there too many inconsistencies. Luffy weilding a sword and sheild. Loki holding not a hammer but a spear. The iron Giant. It's not a prophecy mural, but a record of the past

[hot cairn]

literally what's the difference

[warm fossil]

i'm completely serious when i say a pee logia is better than every zoan except maybe 5

[shell scroll]

why is the squirel even proteting the df fruit

[potent pier]

Perfect

[stone terrace]

It honestly does but if loki breathes fire im gonan fucking lose it

[distant vine]

Ok chill out adood

[warm fossil]

not chilling out zoans are a plague

[craggy vapor]

why blood logia specifically?

[distant vine]

Duty

[wraith mantle]

probably some ancient kingdom lore, because who else can infuse a df into a weapon

[pulsar path]

That's been the speculation I disagree it's a prophecy things like weapons don't need to line up really.

[wraith mantle]

doubt its vegapunk's doing

[rugged sinew]

Zoans are cool, you are just lame 🗣️

[brittle basin]

You might even say it was his
Call of Duty.

[digital spear]

Wdym specifically

[shell scroll]

wdym df into a weapon

[wraith mantle]

nigga has trump themed name calling people lame

💔

[warm fossil]

as opposed to other body fluids of course

[tranquil blade]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-early-stream-ishowspeed-mouth-ishowspeed-lol-gif-8933552898013389101

[brittle basin]

Objects can be force-fed DFs.

[rugged sinew]

"trump themed" K

[clear rose]

?

[pulsar path]

I actually don't think it's that but it could be I find it just interesting that they both have weird mouths. It also kind a looks like imus form I actually think Imu might be a dragon lol

[digital spear]

Blood is the only one Im allowed to list...

[wraith mantle]

like this

[pulsar path]

A Celestrial dragon

[warm fossil]

sweat logia?

[clear rose]

how would blood be useful in a fight tho

[craggy vapor]

wrong wording. Idk who made that list but why should there be a blood logia?

[shell scroll]

isnt it squirel who ate a hammer fruit cuz when it got worn out it turned back to default is what im assuming at least

[clear rose]

drowning people to death?

[golden valley]

It was never gonna be 1:1…

The point is we get the concept

[warm fossil]

you know how much garbage there is in blood?

[tranquil blade]

Prime Merry would've listed all of them with no fear

[pulsar path]

Na they did it on wano by accident so it can't be that difficult to put drill fruits into objects

[wraith mantle]

huh it happened in wano??

[clear rose]

a blood logia would have clear pristine blood

[brittle basin]

I think people had the thought that it was the hammer that ate a mythical squirrel zoan because it has existed for a very long time. And a squirrel who ate a DF would be dead by now I think.

[urban lodge]

We'll never find out how they're made

[digital spear]

I did it and while making the list I just added random things people in chat told me like krill and gravel so idk why blood is the one that confuses you

[pulsar path]

Tanooki fruit was ate by a teacup some how

[craggy vapor]

so what if Loki is the forest god since he became Nidhogg?

[stone terrace]

Logias cant be animal derived

[pulsar path]

It may be as simple as putting the fruit inside the object or slicing it even

[wraith mantle]

oh interesting

[shell scroll]

i read about this but does that make them immortal for as long as that

[distant vine]

It'd be funnier if it was an immortal squirrel

[warm fossil]

(Which is why they're so good)

[distant vine]

Just saying

WAIT

[pulsar path]

Idk about that

[digital spear]

Its living for 800 years

[brittle basin]

There is a decent chance we will learn how DFs are made, along with their origins. They only way to avoid that is if it's all just "desire" that never gets explained beyond what VP posited.

[distant vine]

Squirrel that had the Eternal Youth surgery done on it

[pulsar path]

What I'm trying to say it seems to happens from time to time even without knowing vegapunks secret lol

[rugged sinew]

The closest to a liquid logia is Caribou's swamp and, even then, that would be a considerable reach

[tranquil blade]

The Squirrel probably lives for however long the hammer is still intact

Which is like

A long time

[wraith mantle]

yeah but thats just kinda ass

[ruby moat]

They did surgery on a squirrel

[heady smelt]

Like Biblo

[shell scroll]

theres one in the movie but movies dont count..

[digital spear]

why do we need this if its just a hammer

[wraith mantle]

i would hate that as an explanation

[brittle basin]

i don't know about immortal. Maybe it lasts as long as that hammer doesn't fall apart/break. I'm guessing the hammer can last a long time via material, creation method, etc.

[urban lodge]

It only ages when it's transformed

[pulsar path]

It also probably mythical Ratatoskr

[distant vine]

Wouldnt an immortal squirrel be more fun than a hammer that can turn into a squirrel

[urban lodge]

That's why it stays as a hammer most of the time

[wraith mantle]

also

[quick remnant]

How the hell did Loki break Harold’s seal but he still regenned it makes no sense

[wraith mantle]

is the squirrel normal sized or giant sized

[trim lily]

giant

[quick remnant]

Can someone answer this

[unique lagoon]

which one would have more personality
the zoan inside the DF
or an actual squirrel animal

[quick remnant]

How the hell did Loki break Harold’s seal but he still regenned it makes no sense

[wraith mantle]

is it human level squirrel

[ornate tartan]

squirrel is same size as WB and Kaido

[tranquil blade]

The squirrel is like Kaido sized

[heady smelt]

Harald

[digital spear]

So a squirrel

Or a squirrel that can turn into a hammer

I wonder which one is more fun

[wraith mantle]

big ass squirrel

[quick remnant]

How the hell did Loki break Haralds seal but he still regenned it makes no sense

[craggy vapor]

Maybe sea god, forest god, earth god and so on are the ones who eat specific DFs in their era.

[trim lily]

loki dealt enough damage to temporarily weaken the hold on harald’s mind

[frigid gulch]

We’ll have to wait

[ornate tartan]

question for yall

are we leaving rocks in 2025

[trim lily]

the he dealt a final blow

yes

[pulsar path]

I'm guessing the hammer ate the squirrel fruit mythical model Ratatoskr

[frigid gulch]

The fruit can’t stop regen

[quick remnant]

This doesn’t make sense, I think it was either the seal or emotions like brook gunko

[sharp isle]

no the squirrel ate the hammer fruit

[trim lily]

we will never acknowledge rocks again after this year

[ornate tartan]

2026 will be the greatest year for One Piece manga

have faith

[shell scroll]

tbh the hammer does look a bit simple

[digital spear]

They said this about 2025 ...

[tranquil blade]

Until Blackbeard flashback happens

[heady smelt]

I guess the seal can't be broken, after all Usopp blasted Gunko's upper body and she was about to regen, looks like this mark can't be erased once it has made you immortal

[tranquil blade]

and then he returns

[quick remnant]

No her left arm was intact

[craggy vapor]

if you lower your expectations you can’t be disappointed

[quick remnant]

But in haralds case it’s different

[pulsar path]

My hypothesis against this is they would be in squirrel form rather than hammer form while waiting

[ornate tartan]

2025 was on track
right before we got into it boom 6 month flashback

[sharp isle]

march 19th 2026 will be an interesting day for oda

[trim lily]

we know it can be broken somehow given shanks but i doubt it’s as simple as destroying it

[frigid gulch]

I don’t imagine that the fruit being hyped up as being able to do something can’t actually do anything..

[pulsar path]

Why?

[digital spear]

I mean I was just joking One Piece in 2025 was great

[trim lily]

unless shanks was able to remove it because he was just an intern without regen

[ornate tartan]

yeah ik😂 i liked it too

[sharp isle]

https://tenor.com/view/spin-record-cat-gif-21749933

[tranquil blade]

I mean Shanks had no regen so

[pulsar path]

Thats the same date as enis Lobby basically

[prisma yacht]

It was great

[tranquil blade]

If he just loses the mark even if he has to lose the arm with it why wouldnt the connection be severed

[frigid gulch]

It makes me wonder if Shanks and Gaban could do the same with an attack using all their mass

[quick remnant]

It comes back with the tier 2 seal though

Harald was regenning when he lost it

[trim lily]

yeah i guess it’s as shrimple as that

[prisma yacht]

It's only gonna get better

[frigid gulch]

But Harald seemed to be guarding against them using conquerors

[quick remnant]

It doesn’t make sense at all

[prisma yacht]

[heady smelt]

Hm true I just verified, partially intact. But we can take Sommers case as an other example I guess

[sharp isle]

shanks cant regenerate i think so
destroying arm destroys seal or smth

[quick remnant]

Gaban simply states he possesses it, not that he’s using coc barrier shielding

[ornate tartan]

next year will end around ch 1205 or 1206

1206 Imu face reveal
300 chapters after he is introduced

[sharp isle]

but tier 2 will just regenerate the seal

[shell scroll]

yes

[trim lily]

saying he has it implies he was using it

[shell scroll]

cuz harald has a higher tier seal cutting arm still doesnt sever the bond

[frigid gulch]

How would that help against them in any way

[trim lily]

why else would harald comment on the problem of fighting someone with it

[frigid gulch]

?

[heady smelt]

You mean what happen to Shanks with Luffy? Yes I mean apparently, as long as it's not the full plan covenant, you can get rid of it

[quick remnant]

No it doesn’t because fodder stabbed him after that panel

[prisma yacht]

@ornate tartan u ready for shanks to whoop Loki's ass 😂

[digital spear]

Wait did you not realize its a hammer that ate the squirrel fruit, im just wondering like why are you trying to give it immortality when its already living for 800 years

[ornate tartan]

i’m almost certain imu face will be revealed this arc

[quick remnant]

Why else would he get stabbed by fodder right after gaban said it

[trim lily]

i don’t know

[frigid gulch]

He doesn’t need to guard against fodder

[quick remnant]

He’s just attacking with coc

[shell scroll]

not until luffy sees him

[trim lily]

god i hate haki

[quick remnant]

Or he doesn’t have a barrier and the comment is about his offensive prowess

[sharp isle]

i mean didnt people in god valley flash back call imu a black monster

so they either really are a black blob
or oda is racist

[ornate tartan]

Oda has been building up Imu as the main antagonist of Elbaph

[frigid gulch]

Sure that’s your take

[prisma yacht]

Hammer forged by the ancient giants from the void century

[ornate tartan]

interesting

for a supposed final villian

[quick remnant]

Shanks and gaban don’t even hit harald after that comment so there’s no way to prove there’s a barrier

[shell scroll]

how do you know that

[frigid gulch]

But specifying that he uses conquerors is as good as saying “he’s too strong” unless conquerors is used in a way that makes it more difficult to do anything

Which I can acknowledge

[wraith mantle]

was it unreasonable to assume that the counter to regen was more than just "use acoc lol"?
gyaban made it seem lik to counter regen you just need to apply your haki in a special way

[golden valley]

I think its about Conquerors Haki making the regeneration difficult to appropriately slow down, because Harald Regeneration isn’t really slowing down similar to the way Sommers was.

[wraith mantle]

and loki was like, yeah gyaban you right i didn't realize it before

i didnt realize you can just coat your punches with haki

[frozen aspen]

Well we know from roger and garp fighting rocks that u can counter xoc with coc

[frigid gulch]

They seemed to slow it down

[wraith mantle]

like wtf was that

[frozen aspen]

harald is countering them probably

[frigid gulch]

But afterwards they highlighted conquerors

[golden valley]

He regenerates in no time

[frigid gulch]

So he may have started using it after

[frigid gulch]

Nah

[digital spear]

No I dont but it seemed like Indigex didnt consider that at all? When we meet something like this its almost always the weapon that ate a zoan, because if its an animal that ate a weapon fruit, the weapon fruit automatically gets redundant by Baby 5s fruits existence

[frozen aspen]

and since his haki gets amplified by imu they can't get through

[frigid gulch]

It was slowed

[frozen aspen]

its that simple

[quick remnant]

The panel right after he uses coc to attack guards

The barrier thing was a spoiler that was wrong

[tranquil blade]

My assumption is either Harald having coc makes him so strong that keeping him down is way harder compared to other gods knights or that his coc haki is making it hard for them to do enough damage kinda like Domi Reversi Rocks

[frigid gulch]

Indeed he does. Doesn’t say anything about what he does when Gaban and Shanks attack him

[shell scroll]

she could become a sword and theres a df that gives u swords for arms it can still be considered i think but yeah i see

[frigid gulch]

As I said, specifying that he uses conquerors is the same as saying “he’s too strong”

If all it really is is him using it

To attack

And if it is that so be it

[golden valley]

It can be slowed compared to its peak recovery, it doesn’t change the fact Harald regenerates his leg in a relatively quick time compared to Sommers

[frigid gulch]

But it could also just be something else

[quick remnant]

He doesn’t do anything because his leg gets cut off

[heady smelt]

Roger and Garp were saying that since Rocks has CoC, he was defending against their attacks with it, and that's why Rocks wasn't getting much damage at first. In the fight with Harald, it's clear that Gaban and Shanks didn't try a move similar to what Roger and Garp did to overcome the CoC of the opponent and damage him severely.

[quick remnant]

I just don’t understand how Loki broke the seal but harald still regenerates his arm

What is there to it

[wraith mantle]

make a mental note of how your use your conq haki = just coat it lol

[tranquil blade]

Well he didnt fully break the seal, if he did Harald wouldnt still be asking Loki to kill him before he loses control again

[frigid gulch]

Looking back at it, we don’t actually see when his leg regenerates. We move away and you still see the part that was cut off as cut off

[urban lodge]

Just use more haki duh

[digital spear]

Yes Hammer fruit could happen, but Indigex seemed to look for something that is more fun, and a fruit turning into 1 weapon isnt that fun if Baby 5 already can into many (and Mr. 1s fruit came before Baby 5), compared to a weapon that ate a fruit which is still a freaky cool rare thing that can happen in the op world but still isnt explained

[quick remnant]

No haralds arm is completely gone

The panel right after he says it oda zooms into his arm fully regenerated

[frigid gulch]

What I’m talking about is after

[wraith mantle]

"i wasn't able to verbalize my own power" = I didn't realize that my conq coated attacks did damage

[quick remnant]

They don’t hit him after

[frigid gulch]

We can’t say, it’s offscreen

[heady smelt]

But once you become immortal, you're immortal, damaging the tattoo physically doesn't matter, it's like the substance of his body has changed

[frigid gulch]

But they were watching in that moment we saw them

[tranquil blade]

Well yeah the arm that the seal was on was cut, but that doesnt seem to be enough to stop regen with the knights, it seems like they just regenerate whether you hit the mark or not

[heady smelt]

I guess a CoC attack very powerful could probably take it away though

[quick remnant]

So why does he just stand there right after Loki gnaws off his arm with the first hit

[tranquil blade]

Idk why Harald was even able to be killed in the first place

[shell scroll]

yeah it'd be interesting and fun for sure

[golden valley]

Seems to be roughly the same amount of time it took Loki to beat Ragnir

[trim lily]

loki did enough damage i guess

same with xebec

[frigid gulch]

Passive df effect I have to think

[urban lodge]

Big haki attack

[shell scroll]

i wonder if loki could take the fruit

[quick remnant]

Hmm but why does he just stand there right after Loki gnaws off his arm with the first hit

[frigid gulch]

Otherwise what’s the point

[urban lodge]

Maybe the lightning helped

[wraith mantle]

this makes so much sense now lol bro knows how much of a demon loki is

[quick remnant]

What does the mark symbolise?

[trim lily]

your rank

and your allegiance to imu

that’s it

[tranquil blade]

Idk maybe Loki just attacked too fast for him to move out of the way

[brittle basin]

and 3 levels

[frigid gulch]

I assume Harald’s body will still be in tact like Rocks

But he’ll be dead

[heady smelt]

Idk, I don't see anything incoherent imo, it was part of the fight, we don't know how serious Loki was before the final attack that was ACoC for sure but the previous hits maybe were just pure raw strength boosted by the DF he just ate

[trim lily]

he better be dead

[tranquil blade]

or maybe Harald was trying to go out of his way to keep his body from moving so Loki could finish him off

[trim lily]

i don’t want another rocks situation

[frigid gulch]

Unless his body is different

[tranquil blade]

I have no idea really

[quick remnant]

I think the seal has something to do with haralds connection to imu maybe immortality is diff

[frigid gulch]

As a knight

[wraith mantle]

🙄

[frigid gulch]

Nah I don’t mean he’s alive

Just that his body is shown “crumbling”

[heady smelt]

Harjudin is dumb

[frigid gulch]

But that’s just how Oda visualizes things for these guys

[urban lodge]

Poor Hajrudin, no one bothered telling him the truth

[trim lily]

i mean that’s what hajrudin was told by everyone

[unique lagoon]

i guess this is just 800-900 years?

[golden valley]

Yeah probably this

[quick remnant]

The thing is he just stands there and his arm is highlighted, it had something to do with harald standing there, I think the seal has to have something to do with the connection to imu

[trim lily]

gaban lied, loki lied (i guess), jarul has brain damage

[digital spear]

No, Loki kept it a secret from him and also bullied him as a kid lol

[wraith mantle]

hes just susceptible to propaganda, lots of people here are

[golden valley]

Tho, Rocks body seemed to have like “added mass” to him

[tranquil blade]

I mean tbf he wasnt there so how could he know

[frigid gulch]

Poorudin

[tranquil blade]

Hajrudin was likely lied to

[digital spear]

Once again people forgetting what Loki did to Hajrudin

[tranquil blade]

If he asked Jarul or Gaban or Shanks in the past they definitely lied to him

[wraith mantle]

the elbaf elders probably propagated that lie

[urban lodge]

Maybe Gaban is evil and likes to see people confused and suffering

[trim lily]

yeah don’t forget loki was pretty horrible to hajrudin

[unique lagoon]

yeah haj prob ate up the propaganda

[dark nymph]

one piece season 1 finale tomorrow

[wraith mantle]

why would shanks or gaban lie to him

[trim lily]

cause they’re meanies

[desert nest]

I wanna see the elbaf elders

[quick remnant]

I feel bad for hajrudin bros just a bum

[heady smelt]

Yes, I mean Idk to what extent damaging the mark physically with ACoC can cancel it, but it's certain that Loki's attacks did cancel it momentarily, was it because he hit the mark specifically or because of the repeated powerful hits? Idk

[wraith mantle]

fr

[digital spear]

Because Loki told them to keep it secret it seems like

[frigid gulch]

Lajrudin

[heady smelt]

Only once!

[wraith mantle]

uh wait did i miss something in this chapter

[tranquil blade]

Maybe so Harald's legacy isnt tarnished, I mean the guy is supposed to be the greatest king Elbaf has ever had

[prisma yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/football-memes-memes-discord-memes-discord-meme-mbappe-gif-4757402773594879617

[digital spear]

Countless times lol

[trim lily]

no but we can assume it’s the case

[heady smelt]

But yes, he believed what the people said

[trim lily]

gaban, jarul and shanks all know the truth here

so they must have lied to everyone

[prisma yacht]

shanks and gaban were knocked off

[unique lagoon]

the talk between the 4 survivors might be more complicated than we think
cuz loki still leaves and shanks captures him

[frigid gulch]

They lie because Loki says he doesn’t want word getting out

[prisma yacht]

for a small time but they were

[quick remnant]

The mark seemed to be what was highlighted but then again it didn’t stop the regen,

The best take may be it was emotion like gunko and brook

[heady smelt]

No I mean we can see him drinking juice outside Ida's bar while Rocks was trying to recruit Harald, at some point Loki stopped

[prisma yacht]

Also they came late

[wraith mantle]

they went directly against harald's wishes

damn

thats kinda rough

[brittle basin]

How long has the flashback been now? 14-15 chapters?

[trim lily]

i assume loki will want to preserve his father’s legacy

[prisma yacht]

19

[wraith mantle]

harald wanted loki to be a hero

[brittle basin]

no way

[trim lily]

everyone already hates loki so he’ll just keep it going

[brittle basin]

is it really 19?

[tranquil blade]

Well what Harald wanted Loki to do would've ruined Harald's legacy and Loki didnt want that clearly

He didnt even want to rule Elbaf seeing as he left

[frigid gulch]

It’s pretty clear Loki respects his dad

[prisma yacht]

Yeah next one will make it 20

[frigid gulch]

So he won’t do anything to hurt his rep

[heady smelt]

yes, I also notice the "huff huff" from Harald, it's clear that Loki's attack damaged him and weakened him enough for the seal to lose some effect, I don't think that it's related to damaging only the tattoo though

[prisma yacht]

True

I have been saying this

[frigid gulch]

Man was bawling his eyes out at the end

[digital spear]

No, but Harald straight up told Loki to announce that he was evil and Loki was the hero who killed him and saved Elbaf, so Loki can take the throne, but the present looks very different, so Loki seems to have made a very different decision, so Hajrudin is not to blame

[unique lagoon]

my take on this is they where delaying adding a new king
something something plan against imu

[prisma yacht]

It was already kinda obvious when we found out about loki and ida

[quick remnant]

Sure but he’s legit just standing there before taking the flurry which confuses me idk

[wraith mantle]

I mean who would believe Loki

[brittle basin]

damn oda. we need to go back now.

[wraith mantle]

But ig shanks and gaban had to have lied

[prisma yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/jojo-anime-yes-yes-yes-yeah-its-a-yes-gif-17161748

[wraith mantle]

Damn

[scarlet nacelle]

oda such a silhouette addict dawg because what the FUCK is this?

[frigid gulch]

They would probably believe Jarul

[scarlet nacelle]

just censored half the panel

[frigid gulch]

If they elected to expose him

[tranquil blade]

I mean if Jarul backed him up they'd probably believe him

[brittle basin]

I'm praying this was the last flashback chapter. maaaaybe we get a half chapter next time to wrap things up with a bow, but then plz Oda we need to get back to Gunkmu

[wraith mantle]

Bro doesn’t remember

[prisma yacht]

they didn't lie they kept it secret

[frigid gulch]

He does

[trim lily]

same thing

[tranquil blade]

Jarul is probably lying about not remembering

[prisma yacht]

Ok whatever

[wraith mantle]

Doesn’t he have memory loss

[trim lily]

they went along with the lie about loki doing it

[frigid gulch]

That sword doesn’t seem to have messed with his memory

[unique lagoon]

so that could mean jarul and gaban was pushing for not accepting haj as king to continue the no elbaf king plan

[heady smelt]

For once a silhouette makes sense, he's saving the reveal for the fight against Imunko soon

[unique lagoon]

hold up im cooking

[frigid gulch]

He tells the guards to stop Harald and all that

[prisma yacht]

yes but I want to see loki trying to kill shanks and gaban here

Oda plsss

Odaaaa plssssss

[trim lily]

loki might still fight shanks later

[digital spear]

Exactly, especially if Hajrudin was bullied his whole childhood by Loki so if Loki doesnt clear up he wasnt the bad guy here, Hajrudin has no reason to believe otherwise

[clear rose]

Ive been loving this flashback tbh, but yeah hopefully the next one is present day cause we have basically all the answers now

[trim lily]

depends on how horrible loki is at sea

[prisma yacht]

No I mean rnn
I want loki to go on a rampage

[brittle basin]

So have I. But as of the last page, I don't know what else there is to show.

[tranquil blade]

I mean he could pretty easily fake it because people see a sword in his head and probably assume his mind was affected, but he was clearly conscious during the incident itself at least

[clear rose]

yeah anything past this and I'm gonna start calling Oda a hack

[brittle basin]

we could get loki/shanks fight, but i'm not putting much stake in that

[tranquil blade]

Loki Shanks fight just to show Shanks defeating a silhoutte

[prisma yacht]

So that there won't be any witness of the incident other than himself oda pls

[brittle basin]

Loki's fruit better be very useful against Imu or something; we've waited too long

[tranquil blade]

We're probably seeing about as much of Loki vs Shanks as Shanks vs Kaido

[brittle basin]

or it better have narrative consequences attached to some type of Ragnarok

[prisma yacht]

True xebec hyped this fruit up

[brittle basin]

he did. dont' let me down, Rocks. you haven't so far.

[frozen aspen]

https://x.com/i/status/2004975605763485915

Toad||🌊 (@Toadgashi)

#ONEPIECE1170

X · Dec 27, 2025, 6:00 PM

[tranquil blade]

I do hope Loki's fruit is more than just making him stronger

[prisma yacht]

we gotta know how and why this fruit is effective against imu

[prisma yacht]

RAHHHH

[tranquil blade]

Some type of actual ability that works against the abyss powers

[thick mango]

What's the difference between a hammer and a sword really

[distant vine]

Take Zoro out and then it's a funny meme

[brittle basin]

a hammer can't slice luffy

[clear rose]

could it be as simple as mythical zoans being unable to be controlled because they have a will or some stupid shit

[prisma yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/quagsire-blink-blinking-gif-25635243

[thick mango]

I'm calling it now squirrel guy is a swordsman

[unique lagoon]

jarul, shanks, gaban maybe loki
figured out its best if theres no new king yet so they started this whole fake story
that delays imus plans to convert elbaf
shanks figured out about the 2 DFs but loki already has one
shanks went and capture loki then turned yonko
found the gomu df but luffy ate it
inspired luffy to get stronger
now luffy/nika heading to elbaf even informed of his coming to gaban
TLDR: shanks planned the whole thing so the 2 DF users meetup finally

[clear rose]

https://tenor.com/view/mihawk-one-piece-agenda-piece-mihawk-upscale-mrbeep-gif-4652002396828019758

[tranquil blade]

Xebec's sword swings were like a giant hammer

[frozen aspen]

Sorry but zoro is a future squirrel victim

[wraith mantle]

yeah, which means shanks and gyaban must have lied, or didn't say anything about being in the castle when all this happened

[prisma yacht]

but we know one of the 2 fruits xebec wanted was Yami Yami

Also if thats the case then there won't be just 2 options right like he was after these 2 specifically?

[unique lagoon]

now that i think about it
we did talk about it before that shanks wanted luffy and loki to meet forgot why tho

[quick remnant]

I feel most bad for hajrudin

[wraith mantle]

thats interesting, so shanks gyaban and jarul lied to preserve harald's legacy, and maybe to also the elbaf he created.
if the king who sponsored the peaceful elbaf turned out to be a government dog, this project may have failed

[prisma yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/all-roads-lead-to-rome-time-rabbit-gif-9497165517404307883

[clear rose]

I'm wondering if the Yami really is just a logia at this point or if its another mythical zoan tbh, but I hope the answer is that it has a specific way to actually damage or counter Imu, and the second one could be to specifically avoid being mind controlled

[quick remnant]

Why

[wraith mantle]

next chapter about to be really good

[prisma yacht]

Hajrudins time to shine is near

[unique lagoon]

atm i think yami is literally a wild card DF

[brittle basin]

Next chapter will be really good 'cause we're one step closer to Gunkmu vs Gear 5.

[wraith mantle]

i am just thinking, what would yall feel if loki was uranus, because of his eyes

[quick remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-hajrudin-hajrudin-one-piece-machvise-machvise-one-piece-gif-25228369

I’m fully onboard the goats agenda

[unique lagoon]

but thing is rocks dint know nika existed so that fucks up the whole idea

[stone terrace]

BANGER

[quick remnant]

Reminder machvise has no antifeats

[brittle basin]

https://tenor.com/view/kosmos-kosmos-xenosaga-xenosaga-gif-7059181785303898647

[wraith mantle]

holy shit, there is literally no way we lose

we are eating good no matter what

[clear rose]

https://tenor.com/view/homer-brain-monkey-gif-11098413

[tranquil blade]

Yeah if Harald was revealed to be someone who nearly sold out the country to the WG, it may have ruined the last century's worth of efforts he made to improve Elbaf

[unique lagoon]

so that means the davy clan dont even celebrate nika like kumas race

right?

[latent hamlet]

u know its funny
once loki ate the fruit and morbed rat really was like "YAY GIANT MONSTER FRENNNNN"

[prisma yacht]

Yeah we really need to have a good reason
I don't want to see another just use acoc typa shit 😭

[hot cairn]

I hope Oda goes back and explain how exactly does Ragnir thinks Loki is worthy cause I feel like that was just skipped over

[quick remnant]

Technically we can estimate hajrudins force from his punch so hajrudin > Loki based on provable mathematics

[urban lodge]

He's strong

[brittle basin]

Possibly, because Rocks didn't know who that was when Loki asked, right?

[prisma yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-hajrudin-hajrudin-one-piece-machvise-machvise-one-piece-gif-25228369

The goat

[quick remnant]

Ext diffs loki

[muted hedge]

i wonder what fruit Hajrudin will get

[wraith mantle]

his eyes

[hot cairn]

@warm fossil I think you would appreciate this LOL

[wraith mantle]

hes the promised prince

not the accursed prince

[clear rose]

dressrosa wouldve been over in 2 hours if Loki my goat was there

[tranquil blade]

It's the same answer as to how Roger and Garp beat Rocks

[prisma yacht]

does he need one

[unique lagoon]

yeah so davy clan dint know nika
but they they knew joyboy and jones existed
kinda confusing..was rocks just pretending he dint know?
how can you know joyboy but not nika

[tranquil blade]

Loki hit Ragnir really really hard

[muted hedge]

i mean, he was on Dressrosa to get one

[hot cairn]

all it takes is one bump to Ragnir? And Harald never managed to beat it? really? that makes no sense

[prisma yacht]

Do you mean ragnir

[unique lagoon]

did joyboy just not call himself nika?
just joyboy?

[tough igloo]

cause they’re centuries apart ..

[tranquil blade]

Harald probably didnt try to

[tough igloo]

why would he call himself nika lol

[quick remnant]

It’s agenda, ragnir is overhyped

Harald would definitely beat ragnir

[tranquil blade]

Maybe when he was still the giant equivalent of a teenager, but not after he met Ida

[clear rose]

we really gonna keep up this ragnir loki slander going huh

[brittle basin]

I'm also confused by this. Maybe at this point, only the giants know about Nika? How much did the outside world know all these years ago compared to the present time? Hell, even in the present time, how many know about Nika?

[urban lodge]

Harald probably never tried idk

[hot cairn]

just more haki

LOL

[clear rose]

Loki literally beat Ragnir btw

[unique lagoon]

no cuz joyboy has the nika power
so davy clan just knows joyboy existed

[scenic dirge]

Ragnir thought Harald was a bitch

[hot cairn]

yeah that makes more sense

[unique lagoon]

and the "promise"

[prisma yacht]

lol actually I was just tryna push the ragnir agenda

[hot cairn]

or Oda just skipped the "worthy" moment to be shown later

[wraith mantle]

with mosa being shirahoshi, loki might actually be uranus

[brittle basin]

Nah, Imu has Uranus.

Luffy has Shirahoshi

[hazy turret]

And it was right

[brittle basin]

and BB will have Pluton

[hazy turret]

Heh

[tranquil blade]

Harald hearing how dangerous the fruit was, when he finally stopped being a delinquent probably thought to himself "the fruit shouldnt be eaten by anyone even me" and didnt make any more attempts to eat it after that

[wraith mantle]

rip wano

momo cant catch a break

[urban lodge]

It's crazy that this silly squirrel hammer is probably like top 15

[tough igloo]

right , i’m saying that’s normal if they never knew the name of his fruit . Kuma only talks about Nika but never talks about Joyboy

[brittle basin]

The mods are all children.

but also lol funny joke

[prisma yacht]

Ragnir is top 1 Penny

[hot cairn]

and people want usopp to take it LOL

[tough igloo]

Who’s Who also just mentioned Nika but never Joyboy

[strong wadi]

At this point, they’re just overdone

[unique lagoon]

im confused on how the information became like that from different people

[alpine trench]

How many mythical zoans have we even seen to warrant such reactions

[clear rose]

you will never catch me eating a mythical zoan

[strong wadi]

Dw, he will be taking it

As soon as it said “it determines who’s worthy” that shit was going to Usopp

[distant vine]

Notice how people have upscaled Ragnir to Rocks level by statements but balk when I say Sengoku is roughly equal to Garp

😭

[tranquil blade]

I mean it depends if you count each of the gorosei and Shamrock's sword as mythical zoans

[unique lagoon]

davy clan knows joyboy but not nika
kuma knew nika but not joyboy
oden only calls the name joyboy
while elbaf calls it nika
FMI knows joboy no sign of nika
zunesha calls him joyboy

[hot cairn]

havent we gotten more logias than myhtical zoans?

[strong wadi]

The main issue is seeing the gorosei basically all have mythical zoans

[wraith mantle]

which they are

[ornate tartan]

even current day slaves know Nika

[ornate tartan]

mf is goated😭😭

[hot cairn]

idk man, it seems to be a package deal with the fruit

it was guarding it for a reason

[tranquil blade]

They look just like them but some people would say they're just Imu fuckery or smth

[alpine trench]

Yeah I’m of the opinion that they’re not

[strong wadi]

Probably because joyboy told him to guard it, he ain’t guarding it anymore

[tough igloo]

i’m adsuming people just didn’t know about the nika fruit and just knew thet joyboy was made of rubber … Nika might’ve been something that’s only a select few people during joyboy era knew about (similsr to how most of the current era didn’t know about the name Joyboy til VP speech)

[prisma yacht]

😭😭😭

[clear rose]

Usopp is worthy of what? being a bum ass?

what are we talking about rn

[hazy turret]

Have you taken into consideration that sengoku is just lame as balls

[willow pollen]

Potential arc man usopp

[prisma yacht]

🙎

[strong wadi]

Worthy to become the wielder of ragnir

[clear rose]

0 screen time 0 arc relevance 7 potential plot points

[strong wadi]

It’ll be peak because it’ll pull out Usopp’s CoC

[brittle basin]

You mentioned something about Sham's fruit but I forgot what it was.

[urban lodge]

It found Loki worthy because he's strong though

[alpine trench]

I don’t think it’s a fruit

[unique lagoon]

[ruby moat]

Ok but isn’t the only evidence for that a single statement from roger tjat was like “bring garp or sengoku yall or no fun”

[trim lily]

maybe it’ll like usopp’s vibes

[strong wadi]

Usopp will fool ragnir into thinking he is strong

[alpine trench]

He summoned the dog to occupy his sword from the abyss directly

[willow pollen]

7 potential arc moments

[tranquil blade]

I mean it just said cerberus it never did the actual fruit name, same thing with the gorosei

[urban lodge]

Ew

[alpine trench]

So it’s basically funkfreed but direct devil power

[prisma yacht]

Usopp will feed beans to ragnir and tame it

make a bond

[clear rose]

always "might" and "could" but never "will"

[prisma yacht]

Ew urself penny

Boooo

[ionic palm]

forget Usopp, need Ragnir and Chopper to interact, much potential lore could be dumped from the former in which chopper can translate :3

[tranquil blade]

If Oda went out of his way to write "Inu Inu no mi Model: Cerberus" I would say it's for sure a fruit

but he didnt do that

[alpine trench]

He tacitly does without realising, he’s a Gunko fan

[clear rose]

can this dude actually use his observation haki first before we give him the weapon of mass destruction

[final trench]

#pending

[ruby moat]

Wonder if shamrock will have a double fruit combo like Loki

[strong wadi]

Cerberus has the zoan clouds, as do the gorosei, so they’re zoans I don’t make the rules unfortunately

[unique lagoon]

is this viz translation?

[tranquil blade]

He's used it uhh two times

[brittle basin]

yeah that sounds sick and evil i like it

[clear rose]

on accident both times

[prisma yacht]

They actually might since chopper is with loki now

[distant vine]

Please let this be the arc Usopp becomes aware of his Observation Haki

[clear rose]

and in a non canon side episode

[grand flower]

Theres obviously gonna be something else since “hit our friends with lethal doses of haki” canr be the solution here lol

[wraith mantle]

people really be making up a new power system just to say they aint mythical zoans 😭

[strong wadi]

I mean it’s the arc Zoro became aware of his conquerors haki so

[urban lodge]

I still don't understand why of all characters you woke up one morning and decided to hate on her

[muted hedge]

why didn't Oda namedrop them as fruits then?

[strong wadi]

I mean, I can definitely understand why, because it seems like Imu gave them their powers, which tbh, probably is still true

[muted hedge]

i mean, it's kind of inconsistent if the gorosei as well as Cerberus are the only ones who don't get the fruit namedrop

[strong wadi]

He just doesn’t a lot

[keen quiver]

Going off this one chapter its just use acoc till they stop moving

[tranquil blade]

I have not gotten over Zoro just being a complete moron to the point he didnt even know he had it

[strong wadi]

Iirc kids never got name dropped in the manga

[alpine trench]

It’s fun

[unique lagoon]

inconsistent you say?

[ornate tartan]

imu is losing to haki

[brittle basin]

[grand flower]

Have some foresight

[willow pollen]

I read this as kids and wa alike who’s kids

[clear rose]

bro looked at all the lightning and people fainting around him and thought it was just his aura

[ornate tartan]

Imu is losing to golden haki

[clear rose]

booze stank breath making everyone pass out

[willow pollen]

It’s a normal occurrence (he showers once per week)

[wraith mantle]

make a mental note...

[strong wadi]

Well I guess it finally got name dropped with Captain John 😭

[clear rose]

https://tenor.com/view/it's-called-aura-bruh-smell-stench-unfettered-ass-gif-12449823681038660625

[wraith mantle]

gaban made it seem like it was some special application of conq haki

[wraith mantle]

when it really just good old coating

[keen quiver]

Made it seem like it was

When its just acoc

😭

[wraith mantle]

which didnt work on the elders btw

[keen quiver]

Put some more acoc into it !!!

[strong wadi]

I’ve been saying that’s never what he meant but people don’t believe me

[stone terrace]

Gaban didnt really make it seem like anything

[clear rose]

he been chained up for 6 years cut him some slack

[tough igloo]

facts , Luffy is a idiot lol , Gaban should’ve just made it simple and said “ keep punching them with acoc until there’s nothing left of them “

[wraith mantle]

idk, how else would you intepret it

[stone terrace]

Its just people wanted to reconcile the fact that luffy inexplicably forgot he had acoc in egghead

[tranquil blade]

If it turns out Luffy just never used coc on the elders I might be disappointed

[prisma yacht]

omg 6years of no wiping

[ornate tartan]

Haki transcends all

[strong wadi]

Most people I’ve spoken with thought it was some level above the ACoC Kaido and Luffy have shown

[brittle basin]

Is Oda a hack?

[clear rose]

Right into the underwear I guess

[urban lodge]

He used acoc but not enough mass or whatever

[tranquil blade]

I dont wanna accept this as reality

[keen quiver]

Forgot to do haki math

[brittle basin]

oh ok use BIG HAKI

ez. goda

[keen quiver]

Mass x Experience + speed of coating = bypass immortality

[hot cairn]

people really thought there would be some acoc 2 lol

[keen quiver]

Thats the formula people

[ornate tartan]

that’s luffy final power up
if he eats a piece of the mother flame or even if he doesn’t

kids gonna have golden haki

[trim lily]

luffy didn’t think the gorosei were enough of a threat to use it duh

[clear rose]

Oda explaining the little details within Sanji's lighter

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-chemistry-experiment-scientific-walter-white-gif-17820266

[trim lily]

lucci on the other hand…

[stone terrace]

Mass only matters against acoc users but to be fair thats not even what harald dod

[storm anvil]

He def used Mihawk's haki cheeks technique

[clear rose]

Oda explaining how his literal power system works

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-dumb-duh-gif-13669009

[hot cairn]

this is just an Oda mistake no? He just wanted to hype up the Elders

[brittle basin]

that is wild because he freaked out when he saw there were five of them and they could just regenerate. you'd think you would need to use all you have. but they were also on a timer and needed to escape as well

[tranquil blade]

I think Oda knows as much about haki as we do

[stone terrace]

Its not a mistake its a conscious choice by him

[keen quiver]

"You gotta take his HUGE mass into account when using your acoc."

[stone terrace]

I think its a mistake to do that yeah

[prisma yacht]

Guys so do we all agree

[stone terrace]

Cuz it makes luffy look incompetent

[trim lily]

you would indeed think that

[wraith mantle]

people dont seriously think luffy didnt use acoc

[trim lily]

but i guess not!

[wraith mantle]

do they???

[brittle basin]

Mass CoC?

[stone terrace]

Yes I seriously think that

[prisma yacht]

that bb is our last hope

[tranquil blade]

Oda nerfed Luffy...

[trim lily]

if there’s enough ambiguity that it can be discussed…

[stone terrace]

I was questioning why he didnt use it DURING egghead

[sturdy steeple]

The explanation at least is half-decent. It's not just hitting them with conq haki - it's hitting them as long as you can.
I thought it'd be worse like "dude just use ACoC"

[keen quiver]

Luffy has the memory of a goldfish

[wraith mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/holding-a-basketball-michael-jordan-mj-jordan-chicago-bulls-gif-16999943

[strong wadi]

People were mad at me when I pointed out Luffy didn’t use any ACoC indicators all of egghead except for white star gun against kizaru

[trim lily]

isn’t that basically the same

[tranquil blade]

Yeah but Oda sucks at indicators

[trim lily]

luffy can do that fairly easily with like a gatling

like he did to saturn

[keen quiver]

"Hit them with acoc till they stop moving."

[shadow knoll]

wsg

what we talking abt

[keen quiver]

Genius gaban why din't i think of that

[brittle basin]

Oda takes the time to introduce demonic marks with three levels on people's arms, but won't introduce a new haki to counter it.

[sturdy steeple]

No, because it is working but it's not as effective.

[strong wadi]

Well turns out he didn’t use them on purpose y’all have to accept Luffy is so dumb he never thought to use ACoC on the gorosei

[trim lily]

please oda give me the secret ancient haki

[clear rose]

Oda's half baked haki system

[brittle basin]

Joy Haki when?

[tranquil blade]

Well Luffy is dumb but that would mean Oda had to nerf Luffy to make Egghead have any tension

[strong wadi]

Oda’s already cooking it up with the “power of love”

Just be patient

[hot cairn]

this is just an Oda problem, the indicators arent clear enough and he also probably didnt draw Luffy with it against the Elders just to hype them up

[brittle basin]

All this haki nonsense is proof Oda is bringing back dials with the Usopp upscale happening soon.

[steel stirrup]

Kami no Haki

[shadow knoll]

haki is a cope at this point, there's no limit to how much haki one can have it seems

[unique lagoon]

luffy nika form always using CoC attacks passively
is that still a thing people believe?

[brittle basin]

Sanji upscale?

[wraith mantle]

haki knots within dials

peak

[trim lily]

that’s what i believe

since that’s easier to reckon with

[brittle basin]

haki dials too

[steel stirrup]

Hollon you might be onto something there

[clear rose]

mfers are putting their haki in knots like its some sort of physical thing shit got me tweaking

[tranquil blade]

I think people stopped believing this since he used gear 5 on Lucci\

[thick mango]

Acoc is the worst power in this series imo. If it's effect is so indistinguishable that people endlessly debate whether or not it was used, it's a shit power

[urban lodge]

Haki ghosts soon

[stone terrace]

That i do agree with

[brittle basin]

acoc sucks because it's so easy to confuse it

[unique lagoon]

but when he punched lucci
lucci was like how is this punch so powerful

[steel stirrup]

What about it in particular

[brittle basin]

i think i need to hate oda now

[sturdy steeple]

But tbh with Gorosei he at least thought that it was impossible to hurt them (if he didn't use it, that is)
With Seraphim Luffy just forgot about it whatsoever.

[stone terrace]

Acoc is not given the respect its significance should command

[strong wadi]

It’s not indistinguishable, people just assumed Luffy would try his hardest (using ACoC) when trying to escape egghead.

[tranquil blade]

I mean gear 5 is also just really powerful lol

[shadow knoll]

the funniest part is, in the latest chapter, gaban just said you gotta keep using haki to stop them from regening when they just god knights

[trim lily]

i didnt have as big a problem with indicators before, but now that the difference is actually significant it’s pretty annoying

[clear rose]

acoc is just a nuke basically, the bigger it is the stronger it is

[thick mango]

Like I said it doesn't do anything unique you just punch harder. You can't even tell it was used.

[wraith mantle]

this why we need toei to give us haki aura

[brittle basin]

I bet a million bucks the average one piece reader could not explain how haki works. hell, i bet I can't

[hot cairn]

also, this whole thing about acoc being the weakness of the holy knights just means Oda will have to give out a bunch of conquerors to the revos or there will be another thing besides acoc so that people without conquerors can fight them

[wraith mantle]

as a reliable acoc indicator

[unique lagoon]

nami saw how wizards make wind knots
just a bit more tinkering and they can make haki knots

[steel stirrup]

I think its thematically fine

[shadow knoll]

a coc

[keen quiver]

This chapter and the mass thing reminded me

[stone terrace]

I mean people were honestly coping about acoc 2

[tranquil blade]

Oda cant explain this, how could anyone else do it?

[stone terrace]

Read gaban vs sommers and look at the acoc usage there and tell me how its any different

[clear rose]

so basically Luffy has to use that one move that he literally always uses, gomu gatling

light work

[thick mango]

The advanced form of the most interesting base haki is just armament but better

[sturdy steeple]

It's easy to fix though

[strong wadi]

Don’t worry, nika will have the power to give out CoC/G5 cloak

[trim lily]

i would’ve rather conquerors stay the aura farming gimmick you see once every 100 chapters

[grand flower]

I can’t believe people don’t realize that ALLIES being Reversi’d rn means the SHs have to find a solution other than “hit them with enough Haki to kill them”

[unique lagoon]

yes is it because of the passive CoC also
thats baically the question

[grand flower]

Holy shit

[steel stirrup]

Ryou?

[shadow knoll]

actually there's genuinely no other solution at least for now

[sturdy steeple]

Just sewer the connection with Imu before they all go kill each other

[grand flower]

Obviously Theres gonna be something else

[brittle basin]

so true.

[shadow knoll]

nice cock

[grand flower]

Yall really think Luffy Zoro and Sanji are bouta start trying to kill the giants?

[brittle basin]

https://tenor.com/view/oprah-winfrey-gif-24849663

[clear rose]

Zoro better learn some shit too all his attacks are one and done stuff

[grand flower]

Cmon bruh

[clear rose]

thats not gonna work no more

[thick mango]

Even better. See that's how shit it is, it's so overloaded. It's all the same shit

[prisma yacht]

X @Zweibelfee

This is so cute

[wraith mantle]

zoro probably would

[trim lily]

the way to undo domi reversi will just be forcing imu to leave lol

[hot cairn]

adam you're not cooking with that, that sounds a little lame and very other series LOL

[tranquil blade]

I mean technically it could be but the fruit also probably massively increases Luffy's strength without even acknowledging haki, I mean it's an awakened form of a mythical zoan fruit

[steel stirrup]

It does get annoying i agree

[wraith mantle]

imu left but rocks was still domi'd

[strong wadi]

I mean that was on purpose but it’s certainly a possible scenario

[trim lily]

he wasnt

well at the end anyway

[clear rose]

thor love and thunder ahh power(it could work with some more context)

[grand flower]

The two times we’ve seen Haki be used to counter the Abyss, the Abyss holders died

But yeah

That’s gonna be the solution here

[trim lily]

we saw rocks lose his domi somehow

[grand flower]

Kill the giants

[strong wadi]

I mean, this chapter literally gave us an out with Loki’s fruit.

[keen quiver]

Its just oda really needs this to be a new application or the built up is just excessive

[unique lagoon]

guess it just depends if we take these line of dialog literally
that hes always using CoC hell maybe even CoC defense

[trim lily]

i guess he and luffy will be able to undo it

[wraith mantle]

man if loki's df was some random counter to domi reversi...

this some bleach ass shit

[trim lily]

nika being able to undo it feels extremely likely with the whole reversi symbolism

[keen quiver]

Blackbeard moment

Watch

Lmao

[hot cairn]

hitting them hard doesnt kill them tho? We saw that with Rocks. But I still think there needs to be another way, many people wont be able to fight the WG in the final war.

[wraith mantle]

that makes sense if domi reversi is a df ability lowkey

[grand flower]

Be so for real bruh

[strong wadi]

It literally turned off the mind control from the mark temporarily, and obviously domi reversi is something less permanent than the deep sea contract

[grand flower]

Rocks was dying

Harald is dead

[hot cairn]

but if you sever the connection doesnt that mean they all just die like Saturn?

[grand flower]

Even if it’s just critical injuries

[steel stirrup]

For the HK I think he should've just let it be any Haki can slow them down but Conq definitely helps

[grand flower]

Theyre not about to do this to the giants

[keen quiver]

Even if it was like that most of the strawhats have no haki

No real way to stop them

[sturdy steeple]

No? Why? There's no correlation between the two.

[grand flower]

The SHs obviously arent gonna fix this by just hitting them with hard Haki because that’s not an option

[unique lagoon]

this could have been enel if he was a haki man

[hot cairn]

I'll ignore that scenario for now and pray that it doesnt happen

[tranquil blade]

Okay my problem with this right is that Luffy's opponent here is Kaido, who you basically need to constantly use CoC infused attacks on to do serious damage to, but idk if Luffy would use CoC that much against someone he could hurt with normal attacks

[wraith mantle]

yeah that was strange, i wonder if you hit them hard enough with acoc the mark's power gets weaker (regen, mind control, etc etc)

[hot cairn]

LOL

[steel stirrup]

Having the people who gave their will away for strength be weak to people who have indomitable wills is thematically perfect.

[clear rose]

I mean it kinda does I gues, that one giant attck from garp and roger put rocks down it wasn't just a continuous attack

[shadow knoll]

that panel genuinely so tuff

[steel stirrup]

Yea ts is sad

[clear rose]

it was lik a big boom

[sturdy steeple]

Imu chose to kill him off.
Sewering the connection doesn't do that. Otherwise Shanks would die by having his arm torn off.

[keen quiver]

Shanks had a shallow pact

[trim lily]

oda just further stretching the divide between the stronger and weaker strawhats

[steel stirrup]

Big Bada Boom

[keen quiver]

How are we comparing them

[sturdy steeple]

I'm telling you it doesn't matter.

[keen quiver]

Once you get the GK mark your arm would regrow back

No escape at that point

[prisma yacht]

I found a continuation

[unique lagoon]

theres also the stamina issue which is almost irrelevant cuz its luffy the MC who can just powerup again if plot demands it

[sturdy steeple]

I'm pretty sure you have no idea what I am talking about with Jesus, lol.

[prisma yacht]

Same artist

[shadow knoll]

yeah, unless you use more haki

[willow pollen]

Guys no way shanks got hit in that panel he’s seriously injured

[steel stirrup]

Ran to get some regen

[keen quiver]

Why you talking to jesus ?

We talking about one piece rn

[hot cairn]

fair enough but Harald's and Rocks situation were a little different, I still think you can beat the shit out of them from Domi reversi tho. Without killing them, again, Rocks was still alive AND conscious.

[steel stirrup]

And found out it don't work retroactively

[clear rose]

haki system so ass it got me using kindergarten terminology

[tranquil blade]

I mean with Saturn severing the connection killed him because the guy is at least 300 years old and losing immortality is a death sentence to him

[keen quiver]

I feel if they dodged they'd have a more successful win rate.

[hot cairn]

ah right, the gorosei are old as heck

[grand flower]

Rocks… was dying….

[willow pollen]

Why have I seen no one mention shanks in this panel

[sturdy steeple]

...

[willow pollen]

Am I crazy

[trim lily]

you are

there is no shanks there

[thick mango]

Where do you see shanks? Circle him

[thick mango]

Is shanks in the room with us now?

[trim lily]

lmao

[tranquil blade]

I do not see Shanks

[strong wadi]

Vain with schizophrenia rn

[unique lagoon]

give the man a break
he just saw his buddy getting shattered

[keen quiver]

Also confirmation they have no coc users that we know of is nasty.

[clear rose]

th fuck is that

[wraith mantle]

what have you been smoking

[sturdy steeple]

Idk if that was his age at work. I'm confused as to why people think it wasn't just Imu pulling a death pact there.

[steel stirrup]

I think the best way to have shown regen is have them dodge attacks and then get snuck or caught off guard.

Knowing that they have lost so many fights when they come across someone who can counter their regen takes away from the dread I should he feeling for our so called final villains

[hot cairn]

was he? he was talking about getting a chance to escape the island until he saw the holy knights approaching him.

[strong wadi]

Im sure shamrock will have it but yeah

[trim lily]

it looked like saturn rapidly aged

[tranquil blade]

Well at least none that Gaban has fought, still a possibility for Shamrock at least

[willow pollen]

Guess I’m the only one that sees it

[unique lagoon]

another downscale for the HKs

[tranquil blade]

Maybe Garling too...

[brittle basin]

last we see Shanks is right here

[grand flower]

That was him being hopeful lol

[steel stirrup]

What am I looking at

[willow pollen]

A rat

[thick mango]

My interpretation is Saturn aged bc he caught up with his real age. (Hundreds of years old) Shamrock should be fine if that's the case

[unique lagoon]

whats that darkspot under jaruls beard

[steel stirrup]

😭

[hot cairn]

yeah lol, because the curse worn off

[brittle basin]

I thought it was Gaban honestly

[tranquil blade]

Either Gaban or it's blood on Jarul's beard

[stone terrace]

Thats gavan

[steel stirrup]

Gavan huh

[keen quiver]

It just looks silly for them to take so many hits for no reason. Its worse when you know any acoc hit they don't dodge they are practically screwed. You'd think they'd fight assuming their targets have acoc. And the regen is a safety net. So even if you manage to tag them they are already insanely dangerous and competent. Them letting themselves be hit this much and getting stalled by anything takes any menace out of them for me.

[hot cairn]

it makes sense if Imu severed his connection and he just died because of how old he was

[sturdy steeple]

I understand the interpretation but I wouldn't take it as granted. In my eyes Imu just turned him into a dried raisin. Doesn't necessarily have to be age related.

[unique lagoon]

i just noticed thats claws

[trim lily]

yeah it just comes down to preference i guess

[stone terrace]

They do defend against acoc tho

[trim lily]

i think being rapidly aged for your lost years is more interesting than a simple death pact

[steel stirrup]

EXACTLY the regen should be the safety net not an excuse to just assume you can walk through any and every attack

[stone terrace]

And assuming everyone has acoc is crazy

<50 people alive have it

[unique lagoon]

i need to stare at these panels more
im seeing new shapes everytime i go back to it

[stone terrace]

But when sommers faced gaban, he defended himself

[keen quiver]

Only one that tries was Sommers and he got dumpstered for not being more attentive and getting his arm sliced off.

[brittle basin]

fun paneling

[stone terrace]

Gaban was just much stronger

[willow pollen]

Join the schizo club

[prisma yacht]

I loved the paneling

[steel stirrup]

Because the moment you cant walk through the attack anymore you appear, I don't wanna say useless, but definitely incompetent.

[sturdy steeple]

To be honest, both work. Imu does have the power to kill his marked ones so there's that.
In any case, HKs age so they won't die.

[hot cairn]

yeah that's true

[late tulip]

i love the idea of the GK always trying to steal Shanks like they are team rocket after pikachu

[signal fiber]

Enel if he had a squirrel

[steel stirrup]

And the RP always send them blasting off again

[brittle basin]

https://tenor.com/view/team-rocket-blasting-off-again-pokémon-were-blasting-off-again-blasting-off-gif-15107382336512354561

[unique lagoon]

im not crazy
see here? thats loki doing a palm slam on him
its a giant clawed hand

[keen quiver]

Also if they can feel pain, you'd think they'd do everything to avoid that by dodging. They don't use their regen in creative ways. It's just a lazy flex that the common people can't bypass. Imagine someone competent like loki dodging attacks and the moment you finally land a hit after a grueling fight it does nothing.

[clear rose]

no wonder too why everyone on Roger's crew was so op these guys were fighting these regen merchants all the time

[restive wedge]

Crocus upscale goes crazy

[steel stirrup]

Finding out they can feel pain and still stand there to aura farm doesnt make them cooler to me it makes them fucking idiots

[sturdy steeple]

Gaban, Rayleigh and Roger had to work their asses off to fight off HKs lol

[signal fiber]

This was the coolest thing fight wise Oda has done in awhile. Reminds me of Evil dead when you're seeing through the monsters eyes running through the woods

[shadow knoll]

wait what? why he sitting liek that

[prisma yacht]

I think you will get more details from the Arab scans since they have a better quality

[urban lodge]

They only feel pain from acoc

[craggy vapor]

haven’t seen that one before 😂

[clear rose]

its only aura farming if its intentional, these mfers are probably too slow to even dodge

[steel stirrup]

KAIDOS FACE LMAOOOO

[unique lagoon]

oh wait thats heralds head
i thought it was a rock

[keen quiver]

Worse comes to worse and they get tagged with an acoc attack. Atleast they din't take a needless hit for no reason. Its just honestly an IQ diff between The knights and any top fighter.

[willow pollen]

POV: you just ate the mythical donkey dragon down fruit and have to kill your father whom you love so much but it’s in black and white

[wraith mantle]

loki really ate the fruit and went to work

[willow pollen]

I see it

[clear rose]

bro his head looking like a potato whats happening

[unique lagoon]

beaten up

[steel stirrup]

See i said ts and got called crazy "They can clearly dodge" and I asked "why don't they"

I feel even more vindicated now knowing that they actually still feel FUCKING PAIN

[brittle basin]

he is a potato based on some of his decision making

[sturdy steeple]

Not gonna lie

[muted hedge]

this looked like Loki biting onto him

[shadow knoll]

ngl that panel was so confusing to understand

[sturdy steeple]

Some of the panel flow this chapter made me really confused

[unique lagoon]

look. the shadow makes more sense now if thats heralds head

[shadow knoll]

i could figure out for the life of me

[urban lodge]

Again it's very obvious they only feel pain from acoc

[signal fiber]

Foreshadowing for when Loki dies and leaves Ragnir

[willow pollen]

Yeah what did you think it is

[restive wedge]

So the hammer isn't the squirrel right

[sturdy steeple]

Like Loki does his df stuff, tears off Harald's head and then he's just standing there in his basic giant form

[steel stirrup]

Im not angry at them, just disappointed

[tranquil blade]

Well Sommers might have felt pain from Shakky's kick

So

[hot cairn]

Oda is old

[prisma yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/quagsire-blink-blinking-gif-25635243

[stone terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-skypiea-wings-god-sky-island-gif-16674496710045000296

[brittle basin]

lmao insane drawing

[urban lodge]

Oda has dementia

[keen quiver]

Who in their right mind is letting themselves get stabbed, sliced and amputated this much in a fight ? Start dodging dummy what's the inhuman strength from imu for ? Just standing there and taking hits ?

[stone terrace]

Logias do it: aurafarming
HKs: regen merchants

[signal fiber]

Oh had no clue that was a shadow

[tranquil blade]

Enel they could never do it like you

[stone terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/okay-bulls-blazers-michael-jordan-idk-gif-5619473

[unique lagoon]

im just taking about perspective where loki is standing

[clear rose]

so called final villains when they get outsped by a mid tier

[brittle basin]

wait. you might be onto something

[sturdy steeple]

Well bring the new one then
What the fuck is this service, I will call the manager on you

[keen quiver]

Gunko getting blitzed by ussopp

[hot cairn]

LOL

[willow pollen]

Oda re inventing the manga format with these pov shots all so that he doesn’t show us the fruit design

[urban lodge]

Kizaru is TRASH for getting blown up by Apoo

[clear rose]

kinda is tho ngl

[steel stirrup]

Either they are masochist or maybe in the case of the ones who are older and have been immortal longer you could argue their pain tolerance is thru the roof.

It still is not the way to me.

[thick mango]

Hey if we're looking for skypeia parallels do you think there might be a ganfall kicking around somewhere? An old king who was replaced by imu

[keen quiver]

I mean they get cooked by people with acoc 100%

[prisma yacht]

So the clouds are actually only on the ground

[unique lagoon]

yep

we dont know what made that

[tranquil blade]

Oda gave us a beatdown on Harald from Loki's pov to avoid even showing a solid silhoutte of him

[stone terrace]

The overarching imu narrative has been so damn 1:1 that this is likely ngl

[tranquil blade]

All we got was a shadow

[prisma yacht]

rip cyg's pre awakened fruit theory

[clear rose]

Harald is what an actual competent HK should've been looking like

[steel stirrup]

Lemme reread before I spazz out brb

[hot cairn]

if those chapters came out to day people would be calling Kizaru a fraud for getting hit by Apoo lol

[keen quiver]

Hell no, would never get used to that we stay dodging 24/7

[unique lagoon]

is it fire? is it dust? smoke? zoan cloud? no one knows

[clear rose]

well, competent in fighting, not really competent in much else

[keen quiver]

Gaban felt no pain from losing his arm

Supposedly ?

He just had no reaction

[stone terrace]

If every hk looked like harald there'd be no more pirates

[tranquil blade]

Yeah Sommers kinda was more confused that anything

[sturdy steeple]

Imagine having an army that can only be hurt with people with conq. And they're all decent in fighting.
Logias can still be hurt haki or not.

[keen quiver]

Until he saw gaban and started screaming

[urban lodge]

There is that Sommers scene where he says "ow" from Shakky's kick but it literally makes zero sense and contradicts earlier scenes so I'm assuming it's an Oda dementia moment

[hot cairn]

davy jones?

[thick mango]

You think he might be still around somewhere? Maybe burn scar?

[steel stirrup]

Or he was being a dick

[tranquil blade]

Unfortunately most of them are Sasaki level

[sturdy steeple]

Sommers didn't register pain at that moment because it was too fast I would say.

[urban lodge]

Yeah maybe

[unique lagoon]

what in the hell made these cloud/fire lines
why does it look like a zoan cloud
is that just oda symbolism that its a zoan?

[clear rose]

do you mean sommers?

[sturdy steeple]

Because afterwards he does say that it hurts like hell.