also-manga

[sage temple]

Harald can't really stop the regen though

[urban lodge]

Lmaoooooo

[sage temple]

Loki was the only person able to kill a HK

Gaban could only make them feel pain and send them off

[lofty fern]

Yeah, though Redon already corrected him, which was hilarious

[tranquil blade]

Unless Rocks just wasnt him like that

[craggy vapor]

I did not. Only L-Takers did

[dense haven]

almost like this flashback was about killing harald

[prisma yacht]

Oda didn't mention it so it doesn't matter
U can say it's inspired from it or whatever

[dense haven]

quite sus

[muted hedge]

well Harald stopped himself from continuing to attack Loki

[dense haven]

coincidence??

[dapper tree]

He never was that strong

[muted hedge]

so Harald pretty much just took it

[warm fossil]

oh trust me he absolutely was for a few hours during spoilers lol

[prisma yacht]

took it like a good boy he is

[tranquil blade]

Loki is like GV Roger level maybe, that could be true technically

[dapper tree]

Sounds like a nightmare

[prisma yacht]

[warm fossil]

it was we were crashing out

[lofty fern]

He could probably use his own coc to slow down his regen as much as possible. It's why the mark was left for last

[tranquil blade]

Honestly fuck powerscaling it never made sense anyways, the effort is wasted on it

[sage temple]

Well Gaban still couldn't kill a HK meanwhile Loki could kill one with a passive Ancient Giant durability buff

[prisma yacht]

Loki is ezzy yonko lvl

[deep chasm]

I see, I mean itll prolly be that anyway, but I guess its good to acknowledge its not confirmed

[craggy vapor]

Oda had his ideas from Norse lore. In Norse lore, Ratatosk is a squirrel. Adding 1 to 1 is not rocket science.

[heady smelt]

That's from Redon? How is he assuming for sure that Ragnir is an hammer with a DF power? I didn't see any clear mention of that in the chapter

[muted hedge]

maybe yeah

[alpine trench]

spreads of this chapter in higher quality arabic scans

[warm fossil]

if loki was easy yonko level he wouldn't get offscreened by shanks

[prisma yacht]

Are you not reading my msg

[warm fossil]

harsh whats the reason for arabic scans always being higher quality again?

[sage temple]

This is pretty much headcanon though considering how Harald hasn't shown any ability to stop or slow his regen at all

He tries to sure but that obviously doesn't work

[alpine trench]

machine cleaned

[tranquil blade]

Whoever that was fell for an ai generated image

[lofty fern]

Is there any other way it turns into a squirrel?

[heady smelt]

Upscaling 😄

[royal orchid]

Harald built elbaph up into a prospering nation, fathered the strongest giant ever and died

I think he's at a net positive all things considered

[alpine trench]

they're upscaled

[muted hedge]

definitely

[golden valley]

See, the reason why its better now is because we can get varying interpretations. Harald was negatively influenced there, so in a sense, he was validating Imu’s powers, like “Ragnir would submit to me with the powers of a god” and I do not think Peace King Harald would’ve tried to eat this fruit, only when he was younger and less mature

[prisma yacht]

Shanks is oda self insert
He is an exception

[alpine trench]

but they're higher quality than TCB

[sage temple]

Loki and Shanks aren't confirmed to have fought

[royal orchid]

lmao nation turned into baton somehow

[craggy vapor]

people are idiots for thinking Loki is a squirrel

[abstract heath]

He is

[sage temple]

And If Loki was stronger than Shanks 14 years ago, it makes it even more likely that Loki could be stronger than Shanks now

[heady smelt]

It could be a squirrel that can turn into an hammer, a magical one for example? i'm not against it being an hammer that ate a DF but I just don't see anything that clearly confirms it in the chapter, like an info box or any other text, so this is assumption and not fact from Redon, disappointing

[lofty fern]

He's done more for Elbaph than any king and he's taking it very hard on himself in the end. If Loki just upends Harald's legacy it might destroy more than it will build

[abstract heath]

I straight up think Loki could give Kaido a run for his money

[warm fossil]

i'm afraid there are only 2 people alive stronger than shanks at the moment

[deep chasm]

I mean I guess. I feel thats a bit of a stretch tho I dont think thats very clear if that was odas intention. Not like I enjoy the idea that he cant beat ragnir tho

[fossil nimbus]

loki called Shanks a coward, its clear they didn't have a normal fight

[muted hedge]

he also said it was a joke afterwards

[royal orchid]

https://x.com/pewpiece/status/2004905725894754647?t=hkF1fFEpC_d4pb6U2D7fBw&s=19

Pew (@pewpiece)

Nami and chopper from tomorrow's onepiece last egghead episode

X · Dec 27, 2025, 1:22 PM

[deep chasm]

[prisma yacht]

Omg

He also called him a great pirate

[tranquil blade]

I think he also may have said that so Luffy wouldnt beat his ass

[royal orchid]

one piece season 1 ends tomorrow ;(

[tranquil blade]

because he was chained up

[fossil nimbus]

He said it was a joke after Luffy attacked him no?

[warm fossil]

COP?

[lofty fern]

Sure, though I think it being a DF is way more likely

[sage temple]

Me as well ngl

[prisma yacht]

[muted hedge]

probably, but still i think it's just Loki being salty over his loss

[urban lodge]

Chopper is a cop supporter...

[abstract heath]

you might b top 5

[deep chasm]

considering its been resting as a hammer its default form is probably the hammer

[tranquil blade]

Chopper is a bad guy?

[royal orchid]

and the letters are blue...

dark blue even...

[sage temple]

We don't know the specifics on the Loki vs Harald fight so its very presumptuous to say Shanks > Loki just based off of Loki getting captured by Shanks

[golden valley]

16 Year Old Loki > Gaban is nice

[muted hedge]

i'd say it's pretty definitive given we know that Loki is chained up thanks to Shanks

[abstract heath]

I feel like in terms of power output, Loki is stronger than shanks

[heady smelt]

Another thing. Why would Ragnir transform into a squirrel after being hit by Loki with CoC? Especially being out of breath. Wouldn't it be that it got weakened and had to get back to its "base" form instead?

[muted hedge]

but sure, it could be a twist coming

[tranquil blade]

Hammer is basically its "human" form or base form

[dense haven]

16 yo loki with 2 devil fruits

[prisma yacht]

Soon

[abstract heath]

I dont think shanks could deliver a blow strong enough to defeat amped Harald

[warm fossil]

wrong react rip

[golden valley]

This chapter is def a Loki upscale cuz now I place 16 Year Old Loki above the admirals

[deep chasm]

that is a good question

[urban lodge]

No

[dense haven]

loki is the biggest df merchant in the series

[prisma yacht]

Yes

[tranquil blade]

It's like how Funkfreed's base form is just the sword

[lofty fern]

I also realize that Loki, when he says Gaban helped put it into words and that he understands now, I think he didn't actually know how to use acoc and did it on instinct, but similar to Luffy he's now got a mental picture of what to do

[abstract heath]

The same harald that could wound rocks lol

[craggy vapor]

Loki doesn’t strike me as someone who is afraid to get his ass kicked.

[warm fossil]

that would be the hammer

[fossil nimbus]

yep

[deep chasm]

yep

[royal orchid]

Ragnir is a merchant

[warm fossil]

(and literally let loki kill him lol)

[abstract heath]

I feel like all of elbaph has shown that loki is on a different level

[warm fossil]

its not like loki would beat holy knight harald in an actual 1v1

[tranquil blade]

Yeah but when you're trying to manipulate the guy in front of you into freeing you it's kind of a bad idea to try and piss him off and attack you

[deep chasm]

yes Im glad we've cleared up loki probably would not have won the 1v1 fully at the time

[abstract heath]

Yeah I agree

[heady smelt]

Hmm i beg to differ, Harald was able to get his sense back after being attacked by Loki transformed

[dense haven]

he also wouldn't have won without the 2 dfs

[prisma yacht]

Lawww what's cg c4n

[abstract heath]

I just think the fact that Loki was even able to do it is a huge feat

[deep chasm]

and yknow 🤷‍♂️

[craggy vapor]

Loki could have easily be freed by Shamrock and Gunko.

[muted hedge]

Shanks and Gaban cut off Haralds legs

[tranquil blade]

The second guy to use two devil fruits in the series technically

[deep chasm]

clown gang, carrot 4 nakama

[fossil nimbus]

One piece fans when someone wins with a power in a one piece

[royal orchid]

harald did die

[grand flower]

Let’s celebrate the continued Garling downscale

[royal orchid]

so

[dense haven]

you mean 2 powers

[deep chasm]

oh it still is

[lofty fern]

DF transformation alone, he was tearing Harald up, but you could tell from Harald's face that he wasn't even phased. He can probably take a lot more pain than some of those B Squad HKs that Gaban fought.

[muted hedge]

or well, 1 leg

[prisma yacht]

Loki did blitz harald tho

[abstract heath]

Also true

[sage temple]

That's Luffy

[royal orchid]

the way to kill a god knight is to just deplete their healing

[tranquil blade]

They probably wouldve forced him to adorn the mark so I dont think he wanted to even pretend to agree with them

[abstract heath]

Loki could possibly beat holy knight harald, but hed probably lose

[deep chasm]

well all that matter is we dont have to have loki at 16 with no fruit experience above harald and rocks now

[royal orchid]

that should be it?

[warm fossil]

btw can someone tally up the amount of sword slashes with nothing special about them shanks has done in the story

[deep chasm]

yes, just hit them a lot with ACoC basicall

[warm fossil]

i think we're closing in on double digits

[lofty fern]

Doesn't seem to work, they don't die. They just take longer to come back together

[muted hedge]

overwhelm the pain threshold

[fossil nimbus]

ye, but current loki might be around that level

[sage temple]

Loki at 16 with no fruit or Ragnir is above base Harald and Rocks

[tranquil blade]

It's kinda what I predicted, you have to force them to regenerate a bunch of times until it eventually works

[craggy vapor]

I don’t thinl they could mark him themselves or else they would force the mark on him and let Imu control him

[grand flower]

Harald literally just got murdered

[deep chasm]

how did harald just die

[sage temple]

According to Harald, he couldn't beat Ragnir without the Imu buff

[warm fossil]

diabolical

[muted hedge]

i don't think you have to force them to regenerate, you just have to not let up a window for them to regenerate

[abstract heath]

Insane power output from Loki? thats my only guess rn

[sage temple]

Loki beat Ragnir with a normal hammer and straight Haki

[warm fossil]

he didn't even beat it

[abstract heath]

Which says a lot about loki

[deep chasm]

maybe, but you dont have to assume that when he only beat a buffed harald who let him get the last blow, andd shanks and scopper dealt lots of damage

[warm fossil]

and harald never said he himself failed to beat ragnir

[sage temple]

Loki is the only one able to kill a HK

[royal orchid]

maybe there's more to it and Harald only died because he was keen on fighting against it but that did kill him in the end

[sage temple]

It seems

[abstract heath]

Ok idk why we acting like harald turned off his healing lol

[craggy vapor]

That implies that Harald got his ass handed to him by a squirrel before.

[tranquil blade]

It gives me heavy os vibes but in a good way I guess

[abstract heath]

Harald let loki land the hit sure

But its not like he turned off his immortality

[warm fossil]

i mean no mark no healing

surely

[deep chasm]

woah

wym

[abstract heath]

I dont think thats how it works

[warm fossil]

why not

[abstract heath]

Imu was still in harald

[deep chasm]

they can definitely get their arm cut off and still regen

[lofty fern]

Responding to both of you @grand flower and @deep chasm #also-manga message

[tranquil blade]

Idk if it's just hitting the spot where the mark is

[abstract heath]

He was able to fight ff the mental control

[craggy vapor]

because of that I don’t think Harald is dead quite yet

[tranquil blade]

That feels too easy

[sage temple]

Yeah I never said Loki is stronger than buffed Harald or anything. But it's also good to understand Shanks and Gaban did little to no lasting impact on Harald and only served as stallers for when Loki gets the fruit

[warm fossil]

i feel like if the mark is not functioning enough to let imu control harald it shouldn't function enough to heal him

[abstract heath]

nahhh I think he deff is dead

[sage temple]

Possibly

[deep chasm]

according to these translations, they did something lasting. Thye just struggled to finish him off

[royal orchid]

!oda2

[tropic nova]

https://i.imgur.com/K0dZ1qJ.png

[tranquil blade]

Well that is what happened, but idk if that's just cause Loki happened to hit the mark

[golden valley]

We’ve kinda seen this isn’t really the case

[tranquil blade]

I think that's cause Harald got ripped apart like 5 times in a row

[lofty fern]

Yes, it's doing what we said it was doing the whole time. Slowing down regen

[deep chasm]

idk bout allat. Imu doesnt have to be controlling him for him to have the powers

[craggy vapor]

Gonna save this quote and laugh at you when next chapter drops.

[sage temple]

Those translations just say he's regenerating a little bit slower. By the time Harald fights Loki, he should logically be fully regenerated

[deep chasm]

WHy didnt you respond to the question before? How did Harald die?

[sage temple]

So Shanks and Gaban were really just stalling

[warm fossil]

and hurting harald's healing

[abstract heath]

you think harald is straight up alive?w

[sage temple]

They didn't really impact Harald's death as much

[sage temple]

And Harald regenerated very soon after

[abstract heath]

So what he's just hiding?

[royal orchid]

bro he has a grave

[craggy vapor]

because he is immortal?

[lofty fern]

I did? #also-manga message

[tranquil blade]

Well I figure if Imu cant get through to Harald for that moment likely the other powers Imu gave Harald wouldnt work as well either, because they do happen at the same time

[abstract heath]

Imu coulda stripped his powers from him

[muted hedge]

the whole flashback is about how Harald died

[warm fossil]

nothing they can do to stop his healing completely but they made it worse as gaban explained

[muted hedge]

i don't think he will come back

[abstract heath]

He's immortal with a condition

[deep chasm]

Why would you assume that he goes back to fully regenerating? Theyre fighting him consistently until loki shows up. That means by the time loki shows up, harald is reaching the limits of his regeneration. "Healing abilities struggling to keep up" and "a lot of pain" isnt something small

[abstract heath]

The narrator said harald perished

[tranquil blade]

At the same time that Harald's thoughts are not being influenced Harald also is vulnerable to being killed

[dense haven]

because this is lokis flashback to kill harald, why would you think oda is gonna ruin the moment and have anyone else other than loki kill him

[royal orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/munching-gif-12510973472250467250

[muted hedge]

for the most part of the fight Harald didn't attack back

[lofty fern]

I too am not sure if he's actually dead. It feels like what happened at the end of the Rocks fight and he got cut into pieces

[sage temple]

No, their attacks just lasted a little bit longer than before

[dense haven]

some people legit only look at pictures in the manga to powerscale shit

[warm fossil]

btw if gaban and shanks were there the whole time how does anyone think loki just killed harald for no reason lol

[deep chasm]

Literally none of this changes that we are shown ACoC can kill an immortal. You literally just explained that it took a lot to kill him. it took a lot to kill kaido gang. It took a lot to kill big mom, or whoeever else. It doesnt mean theyre impossible to kill.

[dense haven]

bet socrates can't even repeat a single word spoken in this chapter

[tranquil blade]

because they covered it up adood

Even Jarul

[iron oriole]

Who needs words when picture says many

[warm fossil]

why tho

[royal orchid]

scissors killed paper but died to rock?!! how does that work?!!

[muted hedge]

Loki probably wanted to cover for his father, to secure his fathers legacy wasn't tarnished alongside his death

[lofty fern]

Gaban who has never fought a coc user is not the best to really go by anymore. He didn't do well against one that has the ability to counter him

[craggy vapor]

exactly. People always think characters die instantly they get hit with something. Heck, Ace was made into a donut and didn’t die instantly.

[tranquil blade]

My assumption is they didnt wanna ruin Harald's legacy to Elbaf as the greatest king they've ever had

[dense haven]

rocks wins again?

thats why hes the goat

[sage temple]

"Healing abilities struggling to keep up" and "a lot of pain" doesn't mean they're stopping him from regenerating or anything. They're literally just attacking him faster than the speed he can regenerate from these injuries. By the time Harald squares off with Loki, he logicalluy should be regenerated fully

I don't get what's so hard to understand

[warm fossil]

i mean you could just say something evil took over him

and he had no control over it

[iron oriole]

It was the biggest cover up since the last big cover up

[muted hedge]

would they believe you though

[golden valley]

Imu isn’t channeling his regeneration from afar, Imu is just influencing his thoughts from afar, Harald is abiding by the set stipulation from the contract, which is “You cannot obey.”

[warm fossil]

some ancient random norse spirit

[craggy vapor]

Gaban is not a trustworthy source.

[warm fossil]

gaban is extremely respected in the community why not

[prisma yacht]

@sage temple can you share that colored panel of Loki's final blow

[abstract heath]

Kaido and big mom are not functionally immortal

[deep chasm]

what logic is this oh lord. "Gaban hasnt fought an immortal with CoC, therefore you cant believe him when he says normal holy knights can be killed"

[deep chasm]

Im aware, I dont think you know the context of my statement

[muted hedge]

that's true

[iron oriole]

"You take Oda as your canon source?" Type shit

[abstract heath]

My personal theory is that enough acoc can weaken the connection between imu and his knights

[royal orchid]

oda got it wrong

[iron oriole]

Ah ofc

[royal orchid]

I saw the truth

[iron oriole]

The author is wrong

How did i not guess

[abstract heath]

So i guess that loosens the bond

[dapper tree]

[warm fossil]

like the only explanation i can think is loki himself wanted to leave the country forever and not have anyone miss him or something

[tranquil blade]

It's not that Imu is consciously putting his regen into Harald, that's not what I mean, what I mean is that all of Harald's abyss powers were not working temporarily, which includes both regeneration and Imu being able to influence his thoughts

[deep chasm]

Socrates, the entire point of the ability is that ACoC when done enough slows the immortals regen to the point that they can be killed. It is not to say that Harald cant fully regenerate his body, but by the point Loki arrives, Harald's regen in general is going to be a lot weaker and slower.

[royal orchid]

I can see forever

[tranquil blade]

One isnt causing the other but both were affected at the same time in this chapter

[muted hedge]

sadly, i don't think anyone would miss him anyways knowing the kind of curse they thought he was

[lofty fern]

Yes it is? It's showing that it's NOT simply "Use Acoc to kill an immortal". Everyone here used acoc and none of them could kill Harald. Gaban is even stumped because what they are doing is not working. It was a combination of many factors that allowed Loki to be able to strike that blow. It wasn't "Just keep hitting him with acoc" because that's exactly what Gaban WAS doing and it WASN'T working.

[dapper tree]

Anything to hype loki is Socates logic

[abstract heath]

I agree

[craggy vapor]

I would not be surprised to find Harald’s grave empty.

[shadow knoll]

holy how yall yapping so much

[warm fossil]

lets just all agree loki is zoro level and call it a day

[abstract heath]

I would be dissapointed to find haralds grave empty

[sage temple]

"Shanks will give Loki openings to fight"

[abstract heath]

Baby loki reduces end of series zoro to a puddle

[dapper tree]

Tell Meek to change is name to "The grave is empty"

[tranquil blade]

When Zoro masters CoC maybe

[sage temple]

"Maybe Shanks will attack Harald first and then Loki finishes him with 1 final blow"

[warm fossil]

eos zoro is highkey top 5 ever lol

[tranquil blade]

Which is like maybe this arc

[lofty fern]

Eh, he's above Zoro...

[thin quest]

so both just behind Sanji, got it

[abstract heath]

get eos zoro past luffy in wano

[dapper tree]

Socrates. Don't play this game where you go back and tell me every message I said that was wrong.

[tranquil blade]

eos zoro probably could cut between atoms or some bs he doesnt count

[muted hedge]

speaking of Zoro, you think that he'll feed his sword a devil fruit at any point?

[deep chasm]

Please this logic is actually annoying me. Yes it shows that, it shows ACoC has the potential to kill an immortal. There being more to the fight than just acoc doesnt mean its not proven. This is like saying ACoC isnt proven to be able to kill kaido because g5 was involved, and luffy had help, etc.

Are you gonna tell me df powers cant actually kill big mom because haki was also used in the fight?

What gaban and shanks did was working, they simply were not strong enough to finish him off because this is the strongest holy knight theyve come across and he has conquerors haki to fight them off

[abstract heath]

Zoro is not doing shit to harald in that flashback lmao

[royal orchid]

a last combatant shows up from the abyss circle, full of scars all over his body

[dapper tree]

I forgot the idea that Harold could just give up to end the fight

[deep chasm]

yep unfortunately

[iron oriole]

Harald is seen as the greatest King in the history of Elbaf, even if you was to spin it that he was possessed by some Ancient Giant myth, that would tarnish his name & idt Loki would want that no matter what so therefore as the one that Harald called his heir, he made them collectively lie & blame it on Loki, the guy who up until now had already been blamed for countless shit plus... it was already prophesied that Loki would kill Harald so it works better

[deep chasm]

not even crazy

[golden valley]

The regeneration is independent from the “negative influencing”, its the nature of the attacks Harald was facing that impacted his regeneration. Harald coming back to his senses didn’t impact his regeneration, his body just naturally regenerates, which we see happens when Harald is coming back to his senses, his body ended up regenerating independently

[warm fossil]

(very obviously crazy)

[prisma yacht]

is crazy

[dapper tree]

Ehhh

Luffy already stronger than mihawk

[warm fossil]

(no)

[dapper tree]

Soooooooo

[golden valley]

Damn, so we disrespecting Mihawk and Zoro

[lofty fern]

Okay, so where was it proven? Because what Loki did doesn't prove it. What Gaban did doesn't prove it. So where was it proven?
All I see is that you keep theorizing that if they keep hitting them then they will be able to kill them and yet we have never see that. The roger pirates in all their encounters never did that, so where was it "proven"?

[sage temple]

Turns out Shanks or Gaban couldn't actually kill a Holy Knight in the first place but good try

[dapper tree]

I don't understand what you are trying to dp

They clearly are strong enough to beat HKs

[craggy vapor]

My theory is: After Loki ate the Nidhogg fruit, Imu kind of gave up on Harald and realized it would be better to make Loki work for Imu, so Imu planned planned to make him a Holy Knight in place of Harald. It would be a waste however to just remove Harald’s immortality and let him die, so once Harald regenerated in his grave, Imu tasked him to protect the last Road Poneglyph. Thus the man marked by flames is Harald himself.

[abstract heath]

We once again sneaking zoro into convos he where dont belong

[deep chasm]

What Loki did does prove it...He killled harald...using ACoC. Why do you think other abilities having been used throughout the fight means it takes away from ACoC being the last blow and killing him

[abstract heath]

The devil fruit?

It was clearly crucial that he eat the devil fruit before fighting harald

[royal orchid]

you know how he got here

[dapper tree]

That was just for a base stat boost

Really all that is seems like

[abstract heath]

fairs

[sage temple]

Not really, the specifics about how long ACoC slows their regen for or to what extent that regen debuff actually effects are in the dark. It can also be interpreted as ACoC only slowing down the regeneration effects in response to that specific attack instead of slowing down their overall regen

[abstract heath]

I was a bit disappointed not to see the form

[thin quest]

Zoan Piece once again!

[tranquil blade]

You really are not trying to understand what I'm trying to say at all are you? I am telling you that Loki's attacks are the reason Harald came back to his senses AND are the reason that there was a window where Harald could be killed, because Loki's attacks somehow affected ALL of his abyss powers. Like what are you even implying, that Harald just turned off his regeneration? You make no sense

[dapper tree]

Loki needed to get a base boost to overpower and weaken Herald

Then finish him

[sage temple]

So since that whole situation is given lack of explanation, it's kind of hard to say Shanks and Gaban did too much

[dapper tree]

Oh brother

[lofty fern]

He did NOT kill Harald with acoc. He killed him with several things working out in his favor. One of the biggest being Harald himself lowering all his defenses to allow Loki to do it along with it being at the very moment the mark was damaged. It does not prove at all that acoc ALONE can kill an HK

[sage temple]

Yeah, big surprise. Luffy needed to get a base boost to overpower and weaken everyone he goes against for the past decade

[dense rapids]

Does it look like a star to anyone else?

[deep chasm]

We'll talk when youre off the Loki dickride thing 😭 . You already got a W you dont gotta make unreasonable claims rn. Loki still was shown to be the biggest reason they could win, but acting like shanks and scopper dont literally say theyre weakening him is something

[abstract heath]

I understand the argument you're making

[thin quest]

my ACoC would kill a holy knight, I'm just built different

[dapper tree]

Not at all the same in anyway

[sage temple]

Oh it's not the same now

I see

[muted hedge]

looks like a spikey ball, so yeah

[deep chasm]

Okay, so you think a combination of a fruit and ACoC can kill an immortal? Because thats the abilities used

[craggy vapor]

it looks like a claw with spikes to me

[dapper tree]

I don't think you do

[abstract heath]

A combination of a rlly strong fruit yea

[grand flower]

Are you high bruh

[deep chasm]

I feel like with all due respect there is a misunderstanding of how logic here works

[barren token]

Hey everyone what's tbe argument here

[deep chasm]

"But ACoC wasnt the only thing used throughout the fight" does not change that we're shown an immortal can be killed using acoc

again its like saying we dont know if acoc can kill kaido

because other things were used in the fight

[abstract heath]

Yeah ACoC is 100% needed to fight an immortal let alone kill them

[lofty fern]

Fruit, acoc, the mark being damaged and the HK not fighting back and having lowered his own acoc barrier, all at the same time in this very case: Yes.
(though I will also wait until next chapter to see if Harald is actually dead or not)

[abstract heath]

I think this has been made explicitly clear idek how theres room for debate

[lofty fern]

I don't smoke hun

[deep chasm]

....

this is so stupid

first of all

[sage temple]

Nothing about what I said there was wrong though. But if you want to talk later we can. I feel like just because you can't actually disprove what I say you just dismiss it as Loki dickriding.

Shanks and Gaban never actually say they are "weakening" Harald either.

[deep chasm]

you know harald is the only or one of the only HKs with ACoC too right

as in most of them wont have theat to defend with anyway

[abstract heath]

The mark being damaged? lowering acoc barrier?

[abstract heath]

Am I reading the same chapter as you?

[deep chasm]

AND you think harald is alive, we're just being biased here lol

[abstract heath]

Yeah this is pure delusion

[muted hedge]

i wonder what Haralds parents were like

[lofty fern]

Hard to know, we only know that the one sent against the roger pirates didn't have it

[deep chasm]

omg

[prisma yacht]

That's not what it is 🧍

[deep chasm]

dont annoy me please

[dense rapids]

I know that

[abstract heath]

Hard to know? Scopper made it very clear that basically none of the HKs had Acoc

[prisma yacht]

Then

[deep chasm]

okay so clearly sommers doesnt have acoc because he went after them and they dont know a HK with acoc right?

so sommers is an immortal with no HK

can we agree on this

[grand flower]

What was the response?

[lofty fern]

You didn't see the mark being damaged? Oda even zoomed in on it. As for the Acoc barrier, I'm assuming Harald can do the same thing Rocks could since they were so close

[golden valley]

Huh? But you didn’t tell me that, the context of the topic was whether Harald regaining his senses also meant he shut off his regeneration, you do not mention Loki in any of the messages I responded to. You just said “Harald’s abyss powers were not working”, which I thought you were arguing as a byproduct of Harald coming back to his senses and influencing his own regeneration

[deep chasm]

right so again...right now youre talking about harald, not immortals in general. The average HK to our knowlegde does not have ACoC, for example sommers

so do you think its impossible to kill sommers?

[shadow knoll]

why does the hand look like he abt to have seizures...

[stone terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/winslow-odd-fellow-walk-in-walk-out-catdog-gif-8298707

[iron oriole]

Gum Gum believers where you at?

[lofty fern]

Okay...we already know that at lease some of the HKs do have coc and the elders definitely do, so yeah,the ones that Scopper faced didn't have it. It doesn't mean they all don't?

[sage temple]

Ngl there's no point in trying to convince her. She just takes any side that would debuff or lower the importance of what Loki does. This is the same person that said Loki wouldn't even eat the fruit of Elbaph. And the same person that argued in favor of Loki not even having a fruit in the first place 😂

[dense rapids]

I think that’s a fake DF but it looks like this

[deep chasm]

no, we know that one holy knight has CoC, that being harald. So can you agree that sommers for example does not have it?

[dapper tree]

Making this so complex. Loki used his new fruit to get a base boost to overpower ans damage Harald. Make him weak. Then finish him off with acoc. It just helps that Harald let him land the blow clean.

[fossil nimbus]

We don't know if any of the HK's have coc, we can just assume someone like Shamrock has it

[abstract heath]

"I've never met one who has conquerors too" "we fought a bunch of these guys "

[deep chasm]

bro this isnt even about loki she just hates the idea that immortals can be killed

idk what it is

[lofty fern]

I gave you think link. It's basically that they were a lot of factors that went into Harald's death, it wasn't simply acoc alone. Because if that was the case, then Gaban's plan would have worked.

[shadow knoll]

what are we talking abt

[dapper tree]

They are all bums

[iron oriole]

Garling & Shamrock most likely have conq too

[golden valley]

I still dunno how this “Conquerors Regen Application” works

[royal orchid]

if there's a HK with conq it has to be garlic or shamrock

[deep chasm]

there were a lot of factors to kill kaido, do you think kaido cant be killed with acoc since it wasnt proven?

[dense rapids]

This will be the strongest force in one piece

[fossil nimbus]

true

[abstract heath]

Yeah honestly only the figarlands would have conquerors

[golden valley]

Like, is Harald’s CoC boosting his regeneration effects?

Preventing perma damage?

[abstract heath]

immortality merchants

[deep chasm]

I imagine the point is it just makes it harder to damage him

it should work the same as everyone else, if his acoc is up its harder to slice him

[abstract heath]

Probably just resists the acoc attacks

[grand flower]

Oh idc about all that I’m talking about the fact that a Knight just got murdered

[lofty fern]

Yes, Sommer does not have it. But I can't speak for say Garling, or any others, especially in the new generation. You have to remember they stopped coming after Shanks while he was a toddler

[grand flower]

So yeah they can be killed

Not just slowed down

[sage temple]

[iron oriole]

I could see a member of the Nusjuro/Warcury/Mars family having it to since it seems like it can "run in the family"

Thats if theres a HK from them too

Like Ju Peter

[muted hedge]

i think it would be funny if Garling didn't have conquerors but Shanks and Shamrock has it

[lofty fern]

Sure, and I was saying that a lot of things and caveats when into it. It's not as simple as "Use acoc to kill an HK"

[muted hedge]

since that would make it even more evident that their mother carried the genes

[deep chasm]

Okay so Sommers is our best example of a normal immortal then. Do you think something about Lokis fruit power is what made it possible to kill an immortal? Or can you recognize that its a stat buff, and that we've already seen abilities be used on immortals that dont work, because they dont have the quality which is needed to actually kill an immortal

[deep chasm]

except it literally is. The caveats are why it was harder to kill harald

this is literally a logic issue

We've seen from the fight the one thing that matters

[golden valley]

Put it like this, If Loki attacks Sommers instead of Harald, I think Sommers is dying

[dapper tree]

Who wins? A seraphim (S Hawk) vs a HK (Sommers). Invincibility vs immortality

[lofty fern]

Kaido doesn't have a weird immortal contract with a demon god, so no

[deep chasm]

acoc in certain circumstances can kill an immortal, just because it took more abilities to take down harald doesnt change that the acoc is what kills him

do you think if the last attack had no haki it would have killed harald?

probably not because acoc is how you do it

[tranquil blade]

Well is S Hawk being smart or is he being like King in the fight

[iron oriole]

S Hawk probably has conq like Mihawk probably does, i'd say S Hawk does it... he'd never need to go flame off vs Sommers

[tranquil blade]

Actually neither would win nvm it doesnt matter

[pulsar timber]

Ragnir being a squirrel is such a classic one piece thing that I can’t help but smile

[muted hedge]

it's probably not just any squirrel either

but Ratatoskr

[pulsar timber]

I doubt any seraphim has coc

[lofty fern]

No, I already explained why in this very special circumstance Loki was able to kill Harald. I don't think Gaban could kill Sommers either with simply acoc, which is why he kept coming back. Why everyone the Roger Pirates faced, never died.

[fossil nimbus]

I dont think any of the seraphim have coc

[golden valley]

Seraphim will have CoC, be prepared

[muted hedge]

do they have a will of their own?

[lofty fern]

Hey, when it happens, then we can say so. But this time with Harald wasn't it.

[tranquil blade]

I'm sure the seraphim could have CoC but they dont right now

[deep chasm]

right...because scopper doesnt have the strength to kill sommers, not because scopper doesnt have the ability which holds potential to kill him

[deep chasm]

youre literally doing mental gymnastics every day

[iron oriole]

They have other haki, no reason to think conq isn't possible

[hoary steppe]

Helo chat

[tranquil blade]

I think the vivre cards implied they have or can have haki but at the same time those are vivre cards

[iron oriole]

Somewhat, they can make decisions for themself on the battlefield

Its why they decided to follow CP0 up into the labophase

[deep chasm]

"we've never seen a holy knight die"
1 week later
"but harald didnt die to literally just 1 ability being used the entire fight!!! this doesnt count!!"

this is actually stupid Im sorry

[golden valley]

It says on the front page they have Observation Haki and Armament

[hoary steppe]

Valid, pretty clear loki do the no touchy attack too

[golden valley]

Which is always Oda approved

[muted hedge]

right, but do they have dreams of their own?

like ambition

[iron oriole]

Probably?

They're still people even if they're super clones

Just like Stussy

[muted hedge]

yeah true, though they seem to be heavily controlled by their orders they are granted

Stussy didn't have an authority chip did she?

[iron oriole]

they can also go against them though as seen with s-snake

[iron oriole]

no

[tranquil blade]

I mean this is basically asking if artificial beings have wills or souls which I'm sure Oda's answer is "Yes"

[gray sedge]

the squiral has haki before half of the straw hats

[golden valley]

S-Hawk prolly unlocks CoC when he breaks from his authority chip

[lofty fern]

No...it simply scientific logic. If I have multiple variables in play. I can't say definitively that one variable caused the change versus another. There were several variables in play here. So I cannot conclude that that one variable is enough.

[deep chasm]

you already know the other variables dont actually kill the immortal

[hoary steppe]

I think Its not against the rule, its the “error” of personal trait of the original dna owner

[deep chasm]

you also are literally told by the fucking character who said theyre not immortal

[gray sedge]

dragon is afriad of holy bums and form this he never fight them

[deep chasm]

that what hurts them is acoc

so maybe when acoc is the final blow to kill them...

[tranquil blade]

I mean tbf Harald says Loki with the fruit is needed but idk if that's cause it just makes Loki super strong or if it's because the fruit lets the user negate abyss powers or whatever

[hoary steppe]

What if thy use acoc too

[deep chasm]

the fruit is needed because harald is super strong

not because you can only be killed with the fruit power

[pulsar timber]

I need the fruit name so those dumb Loki has a nika/sungod fruit theories to rest

[deep chasm]

can we acknowledge a difference between "x ability is needed because y character is super strong" and "this ability is needed to ever have the potential to kill someone with immortality"

[abstract heath]

I deadass had to look up who S-Hawk was 💔

[muted hedge]

it's probably Fenrir at this point

[prisma yacht]

Also not to mention xebec wanted this fruit to defeat imu

[fossil nimbus]

sigh

[deep chasm]

the fruit power was needed because Harald is too powerful with his abilities to be tkaen down, not because you cant ever kill an immortal with acoc

[iron oriole]

probably both no? even if its an "error" in the original dna, it still makes her go against the orders when Luffy asks

[abstract heath]

Ever since my finals I lost 90% of my memory on one piece

[dark nymph]

man is this literally just a Thor mythical zoan

[abstract heath]

My brain didnt have the space for finance and luffy :/

[hoary steppe]

Yea, thats the error.. boa likes luffy

[lofty fern]

We know that acoc by itself doesn't. That was proven by Gaban, Shanks, and all of the Roger Pirates. We know Loki's fruit alone doesn't because Harald is unphased by all of Loki's attacks. We know the mark being damaged alone doesn't do it since we've seen that happen before. We are not sure about Harald lowering his defenses doing it, because that has not been done before.
All I DO know is that a combination of all these things WAS able to do it in this one test.
We now need multiple tests to get any further conclusions.

[abstract heath]

Imagine he just transforms into a guy with blonde hair

[dapper tree]

The fruit was just needed to give loki the raw physical stats to overpower and weaken Harald

[muted hedge]

looks very feral

[deep chasm]

Holy shit.

Okay, let me use your logic. Acoc by itself cant kill kaido because yamato tried and she couldnt kill kaido

[dapper tree]

We don't tho

[hoary steppe]

Her acoc kinda weak

[dark nymph]

the shadow looks kinda like Yamato's creature w/e it is

[deep chasm]

I feel you are being very obtuse for some biased reason, but Im confused why youd be so biased about this. I hope when the next immortal dies we do not have to have these conversations still

[abstract heath]

Loki deadass blitzed this dude

[lofty fern]

My thought is Garmr

[dark nymph]

fenrir

[deep chasm]

yall are making up mythological creatures atp

[dapper tree]

The fruit gave Loki some insane physical stat boost

[deep chasm]

fuck is a garmr

[dapper tree]

LOL

[digital spear]

Whats the discussion, Loki killing Harald or not?

[muted hedge]

why not Fenrir?

[abstract heath]

Fenrir is lokis son no?

[prisma yacht]

😭😭

[latent hamlet]

Big ass wolf that lives in Helheim

[muted hedge]

i don't remember who Garmr was to be honestt

was it Fenrirs son?

[fossil nimbus]

loki is so goated

[lofty fern]

You're now trying to change the subject which changes the whole experiment. You have to keep with someone that has immortality

[tranquil blade]

Why is there so many fraud ass wolves like wdym there's a discount Cerberus with two heads instead of 3

[iron oriole]

yes i know that but the "error" still causes her to go against it so by proxy, its the same thing no?

[digital spear]

What experiment are yall trying to do

[hoary steppe]

Ye

[lofty fern]

Already drawn by Oda. I think what Loki is, is something that Oda hasn't drawn yet

[muted hedge]

yeah that's a good point

[fossil nimbus]

there are too many creatures to know

[deep chasm]

No I dont, Im using your logic. Kaido was known to not be able to be killed. And we saw Yamato couldnt do it with acoc, so why cant I say acoc is one of the things that cant kill kaido?

[latent hamlet]

There's not much on garmr but he's basically the guardian dog of Helheim

Basically Norse cerberus in a sense

[deep chasm]

so maybe its still unknown how you kill kaido cuz so many factors were in play

[muted hedge]

oh damn

[dark nymph]

definitely looks like some dog like creature

[steel stirrup]

Gah damn how wrong do you have to be for Laww to be the one who makes sense?

[latent hamlet]

Fenrir is specifically loki's kid
One of em anyways

[lofty fern]

I need next chapter to confirm, but yeah, Loki killed Harald with Harald's allowance

[deep chasm]

Im confused as to what is what here

[iron oriole]

i was on the side of Loki having Skoll for a DF for the ties to Sol (Sun God)

but the shadows neck looks serpentine

[dapper tree]

Laww is usually right

[hoary steppe]

Skoll is whack

[fossil nimbus]

just give loki the win

[golden valley]

I wont speak too soon, but Squirrel Loki would’ve been peak. Im having faith Loki’s other fruit will be something cooler

[prisma yacht]

Damn rich 😭

[iron oriole]

you just hate me fr

[dark nymph]

I think it's Loki detransforming out of his zoan in that shadow, cause we see him in normal form after

[deep chasm]

squirrel ragnir is the best case scenario

[dapper tree]

Cheese luffy and Squirrel loki

[rain cedar]

It really could be a typical western dragon. Nidhogg is supposed to be a lightning dragon

[golden valley]

Wolf Loki is kinda lame, but Dragon Loki is kinda meh too, not sure which I like more

[deep chasm]

thats interesting

[hoary steppe]

NO I DONT 😭, wasn’t just a wolf chasing sun

[golden valley]

Now horse Loki? Gimme Horse Loki

[deep chasm]

I lowkey do not want loki to be another dragon but itd probably look cool

[muted hedge]

i'm just glad that we have a character who has both a weapon with a fruit as well as a fruit of his own

[iron oriole]

Skoll chased the sun yeah

and devoured it

during Ragnarok

[rain cedar]

How do you explain the hammer summoning lightning if it's a werewolf

[steel stirrup]

He just one tapped a Mythical Zoan weapon, earned it's respect with one hit, and then proceeded to kill an immortal

But ok

[hoary steppe]

Ye like, that creature kinda mid to the myth 🗿

[deep chasm]

what does a skoll look like, Ill approve of if loki should be that or not

[iron oriole]

thats the hammers abilities

[iron oriole]

wolf

[stone terrace]

No dogs

[deep chasm]

wolf is fine

[rain cedar]

But the hammer itself is supposed to be a squirrel

[steel stirrup]

Another big ass wolf

[golden valley]

Whats that gotta do with anything?

[rain cedar]

Unless it's started Ragnir can just do that

[lofty fern]

If you want to do with Kaido. It's not just "hit him with acoc" it's hit him with acoc while his strength is down and while you have Luffy's specific powers. It's very much like Harald. It's not "Just hit him with acoc and that kills him" it's so many other factors

[shadow knoll]

freaky furries coming out of their den soon

[deep chasm]

Okay, so acoc is not proven to be able to kill kaido right?

[shadow knoll]

there's gonna fanarts of shirahoshi and loki ships

[steel stirrup]

You said he's lame.

I disagree and im providing just the most recent reasons why I disagree

[iron oriole]

yeah the mythical being Ratatoskr, it could have all kinds of abilities

[hoary steppe]

Bruh 🗿

[deep chasm]

please be consistent with this answer queen

[latent hamlet]

Is the rat mjolnir
Or is mjolnir the rat

[muted hedge]

i think that Loki being Ratatoskr would be very cool

[latent hamlet]

[golden valley]

Im talking about Loki’s DF being a wolf or dragon

[iron oriole]

yes

[hoary steppe]

Cute squirrel

[lofty fern]

He won, but I can't not say Harald helped. I will give him his due

[rain cedar]

Afaik, the squirrel didn't have the lightning powers in the prose edda but ig

[steel stirrup]

Im sorry you feel that way

Get better soon

[iron oriole]

yes but this is OP, its not gonna be 1:1 shit

[dark nymph]

their son

[lofty fern]

Not on its own, no?

[muted hedge]

we know that Nidhoggr was stated to be a lightning dragon

[deep chasm]

okay lmao

[golden valley]

I never lie

[iron oriole]

it could also be Nidhoggr yeah

[deep chasm]

so we've determined acoc cant kill kaido

[hoary steppe]

Was it?

[deep chasm]

this is great

Im happy with this result for now

[golden valley]

It seems redundant to be nidhoggr

[steel stirrup]

Well that's an opinion so yea technically it isnt a lie

[rain cedar]

It was called by one of the children

[iron oriole]

Nidhoggr has a relationship with Ratatoskr too

[muted hedge]

yes

[hoary steppe]

Oh on op? I missed that

[lofty fern]

Glad we can agree on something 🤷

[rain cedar]

Except someone already called nidhoggr the lightning dragon

[iron oriole]

yeah

[hoary steppe]

I might be speed reader

[rain cedar]

So why are we talking about the squirrel

Having

Lightning powers

[iron oriole]

because Loki Nidhoggr is Midhoggr

[steel stirrup]

🤦🏾‍♂️

[deep chasm]

youre funny, youre gonna be fighting for your life with the next immortal character dying 😭

[rain cedar]

Alright buddy

That crosses the line

[fossil nimbus]

Oda has been in his bag throughout Elbaf, he's given us multiple peak panels of character introductions, we got one of the best flashbacks, some of the best arts, etc.

[iron oriole]

alright pal

[lofty fern]

I'm telling you it's not going to be anything Oda's drawn before or shown. That's why its staying a secret

[rain cedar]

Im not your pal, guy

[latent hamlet]

I wouldnt be surprised if its nidhogg only because something something "loki is burning down our trees with lightning"

[golden valley]

See, Loki can be seastoned and still pull lightning from Ragnir, so are they lightning powers coming from Ragnir? I think so. In that case, Loki’s DF can also pull in lightning?

[shadow knoll]

@sage temple put in this guy in your basement

[iron oriole]

not Socrates' basement

[rain cedar]

I don't think so tbh, Oda seems to be going with the horse themes

[warm fossil]

idk that id call this one of the best flashbacks

[steel stirrup]

Contrarians love doing shit like that

Even if the Earth itself cracks open and swallows them whole, they'll still be somewhere saying "Nuh Uh!"

[rain cedar]

NORSE

[hoary steppe]

24/7 loki glaze

[deep chasm]

I mean we've seen some people use df while seastoned, but I would imagine its a ragnir thing anyway

[lofty fern]

Actually, I'll be glad to see it. Harald is a hard one to factor because of so many things coming into play for him. I'd be happy to get one that actually goes down.

[muted hedge]

i think that Ratatoskr was associated with electricity in some form

[hoary steppe]

Plot twist, its ragnir have lightning power

[fossil nimbus]

you didn't like the flashback?

[hoary steppe]

Ratatoskr just a rat

[rain cedar]

Thats lore inaccurate 🤓

[shadow knoll]

i don't the squirrel gave loki lightning powers...it's gotta be the fruit he ate

[warm fossil]

I did but the competition is stiff

[lofty fern]

I think they give him electric powers in god of war maybe?

[steel stirrup]

Squirrel*

[hoary steppe]

My bad

[deep chasm]

Please stop making it worse 😭 . Youre never gonna think one has gone down cuz youre gonna be like "well sommers got hit by this df attack, therefore the rest of the hits being acoc doesnt mean acoc kills immortals"

[shadow knoll]

if the squirrel gave powers. then it's gotta be the hammer hammer fruit

[rain cedar]

Also, can we all agree that acoc is ass and Oda should stop writing one piece

[deep chasm]

actually killingham cant be killed by acoc because one of the giant kids hit him on the head with a book that one time

[steel stirrup]

Damn you aint have to flame her ass up like that

[iron oriole]

what if the lightning only comes when both Ragnir (Ratatoskr) & Loki's DF come together, so its like neither individuals power

[shadow knoll]

which we don't know if a suirrel the hammer hammer fruit, or a hammer ate a squirrel squirrel fruit

[fossil nimbus]

yes it is. But I still think this was one of the best

[deep chasm]

that would be cool

[hoary steppe]

Doubt from df, hes shackled… either the cute squirrel or the hammer it self have lightning ability

[rain cedar]

What if loki is just him and he can just summon lightning

Like it's not a DF thing

[lofty fern]

I mean, if that's how it plays out, sure? I will examine it when it comes to it.

[deep chasm]

[steel stirrup]

If Loki wasn't still shackled I would love to buy this

[tranquil blade]

I thought it was something related to the hammer hitting something causing the lightning to strike

[hoary steppe]

I never seen laww this stressful

[iron oriole]

probably the latter tbh, iirc all weapons that have ate DFs have been Zoans

[steel stirrup]

LMAOOOO

[fossil nimbus]

like yamato and kaido

[dark nymph]

im ngl I think it's just some random ahh squirrel

[iron oriole]

possible too

[lofty fern]

Wouldn't they always be together if Loki is holding Ragnir? It's not like Loki is never not going to have his DF now?

[rain cedar]

Exactly, he's up there

[deep chasm]

can we powerscale squirrel form ragnir

[shadow knoll]

but how in the fuck does a weapon eat a fruit

[deep chasm]

hammer form ragnir> harald

[shadow knoll]

in what world

[golden valley]

Wait, we have?

[deep chasm]

but squirrel form ragnir could be admiral level

[iron oriole]

no i mean like when the powers are used together

[lofty fern]

https://tenor.com/view/kiss-gif-9088161140992275653

[tranquil blade]

Laww is facing struggle not seen since Onigashima

[deep chasm]

I thought so, like in wano

[hoary steppe]

What

[deep chasm]

just throwing out ideas here

squirrel ragnir vs akainu

[rain cedar]

Yamato did this without any DF related to lightning

[hoary steppe]

Oh

[golden valley]

Theres also this for Ragnir btw

[tranquil blade]

It's happening, we're going back to Act 3 Wano days guys

[hoary steppe]

Dont give them idea 😭

[steel stirrup]

The process is a scientific one called "somehow"

[dark nymph]

that squirrel vs jinbe who you got

[iron oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/drcox-scrubs-head-gif-4862594

like this

[golden valley]

Ragnir kills Jinbei

[deep chasm]

squirrel actually unironically no diffs jinbe lol

[shadow knoll]

😭

[deep chasm]

if squirrel is as strong as hammer form or anything close...

jinbe literally dies to the squirrel

[tranquil blade]

It's here, it's like the renaissance but instead of good art you just have shitty discussions

[lofty fern]

Loki's powers seem to be like any zoan, transformative based. Hard to tell what his attacks would be other than clawing and such, but would be cool

[tranquil blade]

This is actually true which is funny

[steel stirrup]

If Loki is a Ancient Giant this squirrel could end up looking the crew eye to eye

[rain cedar]

I don't think so

[fossil nimbus]

I can't wait for the reveal of usopp having the mythical human human earth god fruit

[shadow knoll]

usopp getting the ragnir

[deep chasm]

Im there, give me squirrel form ragnir over zoro

[steel stirrup]

The nigga JUST got here😭

[shadow knoll]

trust

[tranquil blade]

[digital spear]

Gotta invest early

[urban lodge]

More proof that Loki will fight Shamrock

[golden valley]

Ratatoskr is not its name, Its name is ragnir

[urban lodge]

Squirrel vs dog

[dark nymph]

I'd be happy too if I could finally leave that treasure room, poor lil guy was stuck there for centuries probably

[rain cedar]

Yeah mb mb

[tranquil blade]

Ragnir is yc1 level at least

[hoary steppe]

Pokemon battle

[deep chasm]

lowkey fair point

[shadow knoll]

how do you know

[hoary steppe]

Cerberus is awakened

[deep chasm]

if hes supposedly beating harald I mean...

[rain cedar]

Ragnir is basically Mjolnr

[muted hedge]

Shamrock probably has eaten a devil fruit seperate from Cerberus as well

[urban lodge]

Peak

[hoary steppe]

Yall downplaying cerberus

[tranquil blade]

Uhh well yknow

[hoary steppe]

Cerberus > ragnir

[golden valley]

Loki vs Shamrock is happening

[tranquil blade]

Lightning and stuff

[lofty fern]

I do want to see Loki against the giants and then against Shanks and how that went

[steel stirrup]

I hope everyone who uses the term YC1 or any of its variants choose not to procreate

[tranquil blade]

Also Loki struggled against it and it broke his hammer

[warm fossil]

cerberus genuinely gets no diffed

[fossil nimbus]

How Oda was moving in this chapter

[golden valley]

This chapter reinforces Shamrock vs Loki

[prisma yacht]

Ragnir used slam

[golden valley]

No

[deep chasm]

Loki vs starwhats.

Loki beats luffy while ragnir beats the rest of the crew

this powerscaling stuff getting crazy

[hoary steppe]

By that squirrel?

Hell no

[shadow knoll]

yall gotta be ragebaiting

[deep chasm]

YES

[prisma yacht]

😭

[deep chasm]

genuinely

[shadow knoll]

with ragnir being yonko level

[tranquil blade]

Listen we're already powerscaling a squirrel, might as well go all in

[deep chasm]

the squirrel destroys cerberus

[golden valley]

Shamrock downplay is gonna end

[hoary steppe]

Not awakened, knocked by wooden hammer ?

[tough igloo]

he’s a HK , it’s never gonna. end

[deep chasm]

stronger than harald btw

[dark nymph]

I better start seeing that squirrel in powerscaling tier lists

[hoary steppe]

I thought ure good at scaling laww

[tranquil blade]

Is it bad that I like Shamrock more than Shanks

[warm fossil]

squirrel is highkey top 5 in the verse

[fossil nimbus]

lmao

[shadow knoll]

get out

[deep chasm]

the squirrel fear haxxed harald

[tranquil blade]

Okay tbf I do hate Shanks so that does affect it quite a bit

[hoary steppe]

Harald was on weak mode !

[tranquil blade]

but I do like Shamrock

[rain cedar]

He's just the racist twin, what is there to like about him

[golden valley]

No

[rain cedar]

😭

[golden valley]

Shamrock > Shanks

I say it loud and proudly

[rain cedar]

Shanks vs Shanks who hates fishmen

[lofty fern]

He and Gunko are good HKs, they're not scrubs like some others. Killingham is pretty good too

[tough igloo]

Harald and his weak ass mindset would’ve never been deemed worthy by Ragnir anyway lol

[heady smelt]

You're Who'sWho 😱

[hoary steppe]

Bum harald too nice, he dint even want to touch a cute squirrel

[shadow knoll]

nah im out, yall buncha ragebaiters, ill break something istg

[fossil nimbus]

Harald, weak mindset??

[deep chasm]

not scared of rocks btw

[warm fossil]

I think the squirrel is a fraud

[deep chasm]

harald was scared of squirrel but not rocks

[digital spear]

Well Shamrock is just another product of Oda glazing Shanks

[deep chasm]

this is real scaling

[vocal fox]

edy m

[lofty fern]

I love Sham. He's more complicated than Shanks and more tragic. I want to see where Oda goes with his character

[hoary steppe]

He never tried to check the room !

[heady smelt]

More tragic???????

[tough igloo]

Gunko yeah , Shamrock has shown nothing for me to think otherwise with him … i’m not jumping the gun again like i did with his dad who ended up being the most disappointing

[urban lodge]

Squirrel can solo all of paradise and most of the new world too except Kaido

[vocal fox]

some loki glazers here

[warm fossil]

not a single thing about the guy is tragic

bro just an asshole

[rain cedar]

He has a point because Shamrock was brainwashed basically

[hoary steppe]

Insane ragnir glazer

[deep chasm]

squirrel>rocks>kaido

[hoary steppe]

Just wait untill cerberus ate that damn squirrel

[vocal fox]

his mother died saving him

[tranquil blade]

Shamrock is gonna be layered for sure

[deep chasm]

cerberus couldnt even kill captured loki

squirrel is destroying cerberus

[prisma yacht]

[tranquil blade]

I cant see him just being Garling Jr

[alpine trench]

Think Shamrock saw a future where he and his brother could have a future of bonding

[heady smelt]

Well in this case this is tragic for everyone who got Imu's covenant mark

[warm fossil]

soup logia > kaido > squirrel > rocks

[alpine trench]

He seemed concerned in the flashback when interacting with Shanks

[hoary steppe]

Thas loki not the squirel

[deep chasm]

agreed

[alpine trench]

But I don’t think that evokes any sympathy from me

[deep chasm]

ragnir=loki btw

[lofty fern]

Yeah, he never asked to be where he is. It was fate that Shanks had a family that loved him and Sham got stuck with Garling as a dad. Shamrock never seems really happy either and he has no friends. And now he's stuck as an Imu slave. Of the two, he feels much more tragic

[rain cedar]

I mean yeah, Gunko is tragic as well. Some of them took the mark willingly. Others didn't which includes Shamrock

[vocal fox]

what😂😂😂😂

[warm fossil]

ragnir is the aokiji to Loki's akainu

[lofty fern]

I don't think Oda created him just to be 1 dimensional evil. He has sommers for that

[hoary steppe]

Loki fans increasing !

Quick? Find the counter

[deep chasm]

no ragnir fans increasing

[tranquil blade]

It's not really about sympathy but I do think he's gonna have more to him than most of the other knights (mostly because he's the brother of Shanks but also cause I think he's shown a little more care than other knights)

[vocal fox]

how you want to a hammer bé as strong as loki

[dark nymph]

Squirrel fans***

[hoary steppe]

Lame ahh hammer

Smh

[alpine trench]

I think Shamrocks has the nuance but he needs to cook more

[deep chasm]

the squirrel genuinely beats zoro in a fight

[warm fossil]

we live in a world where a squirrel hammer is not losing to anyone except imu

[rain cedar]

Right now, Shamrock low-key just has the better hair and he's more racist compared to Shanks.

[tranquil blade]

Shamrock is pretty new to the story so he still isnt complete

[hoary steppe]

https://tenor.com/view/hammer-bonk-nice-funny-meme-gif-17679897

[rain cedar]

But Oda will cook with him

[vocal fox]

that doesnt mean ragnir=loki

[dark nymph]

Goda

[hoary steppe]

NOOO DONT

[deep chasm]

but you agree squirrel>zoro?

[alpine trench]

It’s a hammer that shook Elbaf in one attack I think just because it’s a squirrel doesn’t mean much

[heady smelt]

That was fate, his mother definitely didn't want that for him but since he grew up as a CD I'm not sure if he really hates his life. We can't know if he's happy or not on a regular basis, we literally saw him only a couple of times and in combat-like situations. i personally don't have much pity for him at this point

[vocal fox]

i mean maybe

[deep chasm]

nah say what you really think

[hoary steppe]

[deep chasm]

you know it beats zoro

[digital spear]

Raignirbait

Ragenirbait

[lofty fern]

Also, I'm still convinced Oda is hiding Lady Akagami for a reason

[warm fossil]

btw the squirrel fruit is straight up no argument the strongest fruit in the story

[heady smelt]

Gunko does seem really tragic though, she seems to have been literally forced and purely brainwashed. I should change my bio

[warm fossil]

took a regular ass hammer and turned it into pirate king level

[vocal fox]

all strawhats are getting boosted at elbaph

[digital spear]

What if the hammer was REALLY well made

[latent hamlet]

Elbaf is post time skip enies lobby
Every1 gets a boost

[rain cedar]

Shamrock was abducted at birth. His situation isn't as different either

[dark nymph]

sure, but currently

[tranquil blade]

Well that hammer is definitely not regular tho, it's probably like the hammer equivalent of a graded blade

[warm fossil]

who cares dog it's a hammer

[tranquil blade]

It does matter

I care

[dark nymph]

would tashigi want to collect it

[hoary steppe]

I dont

[vocal fox]

thats crazy

[urban lodge]

How many Tashigis is Ragnir worth

[heady smelt]

At birth okay but then he grew up as a CD, like his father also grew up as a CD, if we start considering that enough as a criteria, all the CDs are gonna be tragic as well

[warm fossil]

82000

[hoary steppe]

In 2026 we have weapon scaling

Dear goda

[tranquil blade]

Like 6 thousand

[vocal fox]

some people saying ussop is getting ragnir

[heady smelt]

And it would be tragic for Sommers as well

[vocal fox]

i dont see it

[heady smelt]

And for all the HKs

[rain cedar]

Isn't this low-key kind of a plot point. The younger generation of CD were brainwashed and they aren't actually aware of the real truth

[lofty fern]

You can see it in his face. Compare him to any other HK any other CD, and he's not nearly as happy where he is or natural. You can tell Garling, Sommers, Maffey, Manmeyer girl, Charlos? They love their job. Sham is just stoic and doesn't say much. He doesn't interact with them much. The ones we see him acually talk to are Shanks and Gunko. I do pity him, quite a bit. As Shanks said this chapter, it's a sad life.

[tranquil blade]

I could very easily see Loki being able to fight Domi Dorry or Brogy now, but idk what the hell Hajrudin is gonna do

How do even live up to this as someone like Hajrudin

[hoary steppe]

Got domi reversied

[rain cedar]

Be a bum 🙏🏻😂

[vocal fox]

hajrudin weak af

[urban lodge]

Hajrudin will unlock acoc

[tranquil blade]

It's not enough

[heady smelt]

Not sure at all, Gunko was literally brainwashed since she had no memory of her past until it got unlocked recently. We can't say that Shamrock doesn't remember his childhood or how he grew up, he grew up as a pure CD, it could've been Shanks but it was him

[tranquil blade]

Loki's basically got two devil fruits

[dark nymph]

and ur telling me these two will be co-captains 💔 coughing baby and hydrogen bomb duo

[tranquil blade]

This is not fair like at all

[urban lodge]

Cheater

[digital spear]

Well Hajrudin ideally doesnt have to fight Loki

[vocal fox]

they gonna nerf him someway

[digital spear]

So glue Loki aint shit against Wajrudin

[lofty fern]

Gunko grew up a CD too. Even if say she was brainwashed at like 10 or 15 years old. she's grown up for like the last 50 years as a CD. She's been one for far longer than Sham. That doesn't make it less tragic

[heady smelt]

Yes I see your point, it could've been Shanks in his place with the same results. In the end, their mother didn't want them to be with Garling, her wish wasn't respected. We gotta blame Maffey

[tranquil blade]

Im not talking about that, Im talking about them fighting whoever they fight here on Elbaph. I said I could see Loki beating Dorry or Brogy but idk what Hajrudin can do

[urban lodge]

It's not really the same

[deep chasm]

not enough to beat the squirrel

[rain cedar]

I mean yeah. He did grow up as a CD and never had a choice to find out the truth. That's why I'm saying it's tragic. You said that in that case, the other CDs are also tragic and that is true to an extent. It is a plot point because we saw that in Vegapunks speech

[urban lodge]

I still do pity Shamrock but basically he had his future stolen while Gunko had her past stolen

That's the only life he's ever lived

[heady smelt]

Ah no that's different I'm sorry, she had forgotten her own past and original background it seems, and we know Imu's mark change the personality of its bearer, her case is a bit different

[digital spear]

Hajrudin gets domi reversed and it awakens his inner ancient giant genes like Sanjis raidsuit awakened his Germa genes

[lofty fern]

Harald wanted them to rule together so I think they'll find a way compliment each other

[steel stirrup]

Boo fucking hoo

[vocal fox]

even if they aren't brainwashed they following orders because they grew up educated in marie jois

[heady smelt]

We gotta blame Imu for real

[urban lodge]

Oh great you're here

[steel stirrup]

You're never safe

[tranquil blade]

He didnt get the ancient blood, he didnt get the haki, he didnt get the fruit, he didnt get hammer, I guess he got the mind

[steel stirrup]

Bro has spirit yes he do

[urban lodge]

Hajrudin will get Harald's sword after Jarul dies

[vocal fox]

he can still unlock the haki

[rain cedar]

No wonder he wanted the Mera. Too bad he didn't get that either

[steel stirrup]

He has spirit how about you

[rain cedar]

Hajrudin is the definition of living on hopes and dreams

All the good genes passed him

[steel stirrup]

Breaking every bone in his body wasnt enough for a Haki bloom?

Bro gon have to damn near die i guess

[prisma yacht]

Aw man

[lofty fern]

Even if she did. 50 years as one thing kind of trumps the 10 years spent as another. Also we Imu's mark only takes over the personailty if you disobey him and then you basically act like Dorry, Broggy, or Harald. They all had the same personality. Gunko's personality seems to be her own.
Both of them are tragic, especially since we see what Sham's life could have been and that he was kidnapped from his own mother

[vocal fox]

because his will is weak af, he doesnt even have will i think

[royal orchid]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/738580480437387264/1389720377432866979/Illustration95.gif

[steel stirrup]

The Elders deserve an apology

[tranquil blade]

Awful gif

[lofty fern]

At this point,they can't not follow orders as well, making it even more tragic

[urban lodge]

Almost 10% as bad as blue ai baby

[jade rain]

We won't be getting any chapter next week right?

[tranquil blade]

No

[dark nymph]

someone lokify blue ai baby

[steel stirrup]

Hell nah

[tranquil blade]

This chapter released like a week early

[steel stirrup]

Die tonight

[vocal fox]

saturn still a bitch

[heady smelt]

Fair, I won't contradict your argument, you have your point of view I respect that

[elder kraken]

What if Oda gives Ussop an upgrade by giving his weapon a devil fruit

[steel stirrup]

Nah not the Five Elders

The Elbaf Elders who told Harald to have another son

They knew Hajrudin was gonna be trash

[rain cedar]

What if loki gives usopp his hammer

At the end of the arc

[urban lodge]

Awful

[steel stirrup]

Socrates would have a konniption

[rain cedar]

Because Usopp does something brave

And then all 5 usopp fans can cry tears of joy

[vocal fox]

oh rigth, they def knew it

[lofty fern]

I mean he has to have something from his dad. It take 2 to tango

[prisma yacht]

Erm

[heady smelt]

Please 😂

[prisma yacht]

I don't want that btw

I don't claim it

[royal orchid]

uhhh goda

[digital spear]

Them saying that proves Hajrudin isnt trash because theyre old senile and decrepit and arent even allowed to have screentime.

[heady smelt]

Usopp is cool but why are some of you trying so much to force a power-up on him

[vocal fox]

thats WHAT I SAID

[royal orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/luffy-lucy-lucy-one-piece-dressrosa-beard-gif-10722908098410460559

[rain cedar]

Because he's been a stinky bum for God knows how long

[dark nymph]

all he needs is haki and maybe a better weapon

[digital spear]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-hajrudin-hajrudin-one-piece-machvise-machvise-one-piece-gif-25228369

[vocal fox]

but i think ussop is getting obs haki and his weapon a df

[heady smelt]

And that's precisely why a power-up won't work for him, especially Ragnir lol some guys are smoking or what

[steel stirrup]

The Oracle forsaw Dressrosa and said "If we put all our eggs in this particular basket we will regret it"

And they were correct

[vocal fox]

he has to be a snipper

[digital spear]

And they were wrong*

[steel stirrup]

Hajrudin is hot garbage water

[lofty fern]

😊 I just like Shamrock a lot, I'm hoping for more depth out of him than simply "the evil twin" trope

[royal orchid]

hajrudin thinking he got aura when marshall d. teach has more teeth than him 🙏 😭

[digital spear]

You saying that proves hes the goat. Thank you Rich

[rain cedar]

Dawg, his haki still hasn't been addressed and it's been a decade or so. More even. Like Usopp is living on scraps

[vocal fox]

he need a power up, he's a yonko crew member and still with green ahh bums

[steel stirrup]

Yeah to contrarians and mfs who are delusional i bet that's the sentiment

I however know how to read

[dark nymph]

https://i.redd.it/kwm51qe141ya1.gif

[heady smelt]

Sadly I think he won't get one, maybe he'll display another hint of CoO but I don't see big for him

[digital spear]

Why are you describing your group like that?

[steel stirrup]

And in the story i read, Hajrudin is garbage

[vocal fox]

facts

[digital spear]

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[steel stirrup]

Show me one thing he did that was important

Show me

[digital spear]

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

"I know how to r-" LOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[steel stirrup]

Extreme diffing Machvise?

Lmaoo your standards are very lowwwww

[digital spear]

Coming from RICH

[lofty fern]

Hajrudin got his father's charisma and diplomatic leadership skills. Loki's not able to bring people together because he rubs everyone the wrong way, but Hajrudin can do that, he can make friends and talk to other nations. It's why the two are going to need each other.
Hajrudin for the leadership side and Loki for the defense

[digital spear]

@steel stirrup

[steel stirrup]

Mhm

[vocal fox]

he's gonna have it, i mean if that doesnt happen is getting killed soon

[steel stirrup]

He's a horrible leader too

But ok

[digital spear]

Proof

[prisma yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/chrollo-lucilfer-chrollo-lucilfer-1999-hxh-gif-6871618917807347989

[pulsar timber]

Please don’t keep Loki on elbaf

[steel stirrup]

Drove his ship off a cliff and even apologized because he knew he killed his own crew

If Luffy wasnt down there he literally would've driven his own crew off a cliff

This is your leader?

The bar is in hell

[digital spear]

Cant wait for the Loki coverstory in 2 arcs...

[lofty fern]

We even had it set up in the beginning by Road that Hajrudin is good at bring people together

[prisma yacht]

Ah dang the gif got sent before my post

[vocal fox]

with leadership is not being enough strong

[pulsar timber]

No…

[urban lodge]

Believe in Hajrudin

[royal orchid]

the Loki situation is crazy

[elder kraken]

Oda will pull a Yamato trust

[pulsar timber]

I don’t care for hajurdin very much

He’s ok

I want Loki

[steel stirrup]

Charles is that you?

[urban lodge]

He will unlock acoc and he will get Harald's sword

[digital spear]

This happens the strawhats all the time, thanks for proving you cant read

[steel stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/moist-critical-gif-23028593

[lofty fern]

No, if that was the case, Weevil would be an excellent leader 🤣

[vocal fox]

def

[prisma yacht]

Hajrudin is going to unite all the giants races

[steel stirrup]

How did you become staff?

You're worse than Merry

[rain cedar]

I can smell the Sanji slander if Hajrudin gets acoc

[tranquil blade]

Where he runs around Elbaf for a while, drops that Shiki has actually been on the island the whole time and that he's Killers father, and then a few more cover pages of Loki running around Elbaf and then it ends

[rain cedar]

Which is probable given how coc seems to have some genetic connection

[digital spear]

How did you get back?

[steel stirrup]

🤷🏾‍♂️

[urban lodge]

Don't tell me you're a Hajrudin doubter too

[royal orchid]

if I could draw I would edit Big News Morgans on top of a moistcritikal thumbnail

[digital spear]

HOOOOOOOOLY peak

[royal orchid]

just because I think it's a funny joke

[steel stirrup]

I doubt you were one of the people who voted in my favor in the tribunal or whatever tf yall do

[lofty fern]

I can see him getting the sword. Especially if Jarul dies, which I'm kinda sure will happen

[dark nymph]

leave that bum Hajrudin in Elbaf and have Loki join SHs

[urban lodge]

Yep

[steel stirrup]

💀

[rain cedar]

His ass is not fitting on the ship

[pulsar timber]

I’m not a doubter I just do not care for him. He’s not getting cocting. He will probably help lead elbaf after all this but he’s not an interesting character

[digital spear]

Bro thinks we are the council 😭

[royal orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/prosecution-town-of-salem-2-watch-yo-tone-gif-15098168885044176607