also-manga

[shadow knoll]

i said recent years

have you seen the art of kagurabachi

[dense snow]

you said deteroirated

[shadow knoll]

have you seen the new jjk

[heady smelt]

Different artists, different style, different way of putting a story and a scene on paper, different amount of time spent on their manga as well

[pseudo gulch]

I think that's a stretch but even if that's the case, I didn't feel like I was there

[ashen perch]

Oda was one of the best in the industry so that's just a lie

[shadow knoll]

have you seen heck even OPM

[unique lagoon]

i mean he is getting old

[shadow knoll]

yeah im not blaming Oda

[pseudo gulch]

My gripe with him now is that he still draws beautiful panels, but the art isn't consistent. We'd get a beautiful spread and then mediocre art for the rest of the chapter

[shadow knoll]

but if you think he's a good artist, he's not

[dense snow]

all the series u mentioned will look shi if we start comparing them to something like maybe vagabond

[shadow knoll]

you simply don't read enough manga

[pseudo gulch]

I don't even blame Oda himself, it's definitely WSJ that makes him work like a cow

[dense snow]

so comparison is not the paramter to decide whether art is good or bad

at least for me personally

[shadow knoll]

you like vagabond art is better than kagurabachi

[heady smelt]

OP has always been criticized for its art from the beginning, yet it became the most popular manga of its generation

[ashen perch]

Compare with the rest of the chapter where everything is getting bigger panels, this is intentional. Its a common technique in manga to decrease panel size to depict faster pacing

[shadow knoll]

OP became popular cuz of the story

[dense snow]

I feel that u are not a fan of too much happening within a single panel, like how panels used to have a lot ligher tone with lot less going in pre ts is something u miss ?

[shadow knoll]

we are talking abt the art

[dense snow]

It is

[shadow knoll]

[dense snow]

but can't go into os territory

[shadow knoll]

you do you

[heady smelt]

I wonder how Oda will feel knowing Jo-ho-ho-ho-to finds his art inconsistent and mediocre and not worthy of his attention, he'll surely be really really desperate he might stop OP just to please him 😢

[pseudo gulch]

I'm not saying I don't understand why he did it, I'm saying if that's the reason he did it it didn't come out that great in my opinion. I see the vision tho

[shadow knoll]

okay i agree maybe

berserk and vagabond are the only manga that can solo any other manga in terms of artwork

[pseudo gulch]

I feel like panels before (not necessarily pre ts) felt way less cluttered

[ashen perch]

Its kind of one of Oda's favorite techniques too, watch this from Sabaody

[shadow knoll]

exactly

like in this recent chapter

[proud pivot]

@pseudo gulch i didnt know you were based like this

[pseudo gulch]

And the overall art felt more consistent

[shadow knoll]

when the hammer was defending the fruit

i couldn't tell shit abt what was going on

[pseudo gulch]

See how everyone still has a discussion about that? There is no point in discussing with people who act like you are rn

[heady smelt]

I agree, no point discussing with you about this

[pseudo gulch]

I wouldn't even be able to point exactly at one thing that make them feel cluttered

[shadow knoll]

joho have you read sui ishida's new work?

[pseudo gulch]

But for some reason they just feel like that to me

[shadow knoll]

yeah i know what you are talking abt

[pseudo gulch]

I don't know who that is

[prisma yacht]

Arsal saying the art was in such a way that it doesn't allow harald to breathe was the highlight of the convo

[shadow knoll]

tokyo ghoul's author

[pseudo gulch]

I don't read a ton of series at the same time, rn I'm reading OP, OPM and Kagurabachi and I'd like to catch up to OPM before starting another series

[pseudo gulch]

Is his new series good?

[heady smelt]

At least someone who understands

[ashen perch]

Ngl man that's just you lol

[prisma yacht]

it's an old one and yes it's good

[shadow knoll]

yeah choujin x, it's really good

[prisma yacht]

Ok no ur not talking about Tokyo ghoul

[shadow knoll]

i mean the first 30 chapters are meh

[prisma yacht]

Lol

[pseudo gulch]

I'll add that to my to read list then, thank you

[shadow knoll]

but it picks up

[unique lagoon]

this shot is somewhat confusing
cuz thats loki slamming ontop of him
but we just know its a black shadow hitting him
ofc thats on purpose so whatever

[pseudo gulch]

The first few chapters of Kagurabachi weren't that interesting to me either but now I really enjoy that series so that's not a problem to me

[muted hedge]

to me it looks like a wolf biting down on him

[unique lagoon]

is it a bite? looks like hes stepping on him

[prisma yacht]

Or a hand

[unique lagoon]

see that? looks like a long claw foot thingy

[dense snow]

I mean it is pretty cluttered since wano and I can see if you don't appreciate it as much as before

[prisma yacht]

Pressing him down

[ashen perch]

Its just depicting a massive attack slamming him down in an instant, the hand isn't depicted, the movement is

[dense snow]

But hope it doesn't affect your in general enjoyment of the series

[unique lagoon]

he did pick him up after so sure it could be a big ass hand with claws

[dense snow]

That would suck

[shadow knoll]

yeah it's more or like that

[unique lagoon]

yes.. but im trying to stare at it more maybe i missed some small detail

[ashen perch]

Nah its just a blurry shadow to depict the speed of the attack, we wouldn't be able to make it out lol.

[shadow knoll]

i stopped watching anime since last year cuz of my work and got into manga, so reading a lot of good stuff

tell me if you ever need any recommendations

[pseudo gulch]

It's part of it

[unique lagoon]

you can see some lines here showing its shape or curves of that body part

[rose rune]

this is the most obvious claw

[pseudo gulch]

Do you have anilist? If so add me

[prisma yacht]

I wanted loki to be a snek 😔

[pseudo gulch]

You can find mine in a pinged message in #other-series

[rose rune]

maybe he's a snake with legs

[ashen perch]

It looks like a wolf to me

[pseudo gulch]

Oda and silhouettes

[ashen perch]

Got a whole dog like snout on it

[pseudo gulch]

I'm NOT trusting it

[prisma yacht]

Also with wings

[unique lagoon]

it def has a long snout

[ashen perch]

So Fenrir/Skoll are the two options imo, we'll see

[pseudo gulch]

Watch as it's gonna be something like a basilisk lmao

[frozen aspen]

i hope loki looks goofy af

[unique lagoon]

ive figured it out

[prisma yacht]

[rose rune]

very kawaii

[shadow knoll]

i use MAL, but i can make one acc and export my list

[rose rune]

!pfp

[tropic nova]

Here is @rose rune's avatar.

[prisma yacht]

deep stare

[unique lagoon]

[pseudo gulch]

It's like that tiktok filter that makes lasers come out your eyes

https://tenor.com/view/happy-biosday-tu-yu-silly-funny-tiktok-gif-7863007534128733852

[unique lagoon]

did rocks had those glowy eyes?

[heady smelt]

I think so, and BM as well in a different context if I remember well

[rose rune]

the brogy brogy no mi

[rose rune]

it turns you into you real father

[stray prism]

weeb haha

[pseudo gulch]

Yes, and?

[unique lagoon]

ye u right

[stray prism]

i miss having time to watch anime

[unique lagoon]

i just look at the clips now from egghead

[stray prism]

the most i do is look at gifs people send here sometimes

[pseudo gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-meme-anime-manga-one-piece-monkey-d-luffy-gif-4849530166777810117

[stray prism]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-rob-lucci-freaky-luffy-gear-5-luffy-gif-442480176996234535

[rose rune]

https://tenor.com/view/omg-excited-pluto-dog-drooling-gif-15437471

[heady smelt]

"Legendary"

[pseudo gulch]

Inu Inu no mi, model Pluto

[shadow knoll]

[rose rune]

the final ancient weapon

[shadow knoll]

furries ruling the world fr

[pseudo gulch]

It would be another slapstick comedy type of fruit

[cosmic hamlet]

Peak

[pseudo gulch]

ngl I don't hate it

[shadow knoll]

just so many mythical fruits

[unique lagoon]

anyone wondered why the DF transformation casted that much shadow in that area of the castle

[winter oasis]

this is a pretty crazy spread

[royal orchid]

who the hell is in front?? 🗣️ 🔥

[winter oasis]

it looks like luffy with his head on itadori's body lmao

[shadow knoll]

why luffy head so big

[winter oasis]

im almost 100% sure they fucked up his face and grafted another version onto it they'd previously drawn

[pseudo gulch]

Oda trying to put in as much black as possible so he doesn't have to draw as much

[royal orchid]

not sure why his head is on big head mode

from gmod

[rose rune]

because Oda got into chibis now

[dense haven]

https://tenor.com/view/gear-11-luffy-luffy-one-piece-luffy-gear-kagura-bachi-gif-18308706958827402532

[cosmic hamlet]

If the flashback continuous after the incident, you lose right? Irrespective of whether its 1 chapter or half chapter or 2 chapters?

[pseudo gulch]

Also was this the first time we actually got info on how to defeat the GKs?

[royal orchid]

also kagurapeak right next to luffy

[pseudo gulch]

It's just aCoC, do y'all like that?

[dense haven]

who could've guessed

[rose rune]

https://tenor.com/view/walker-cordell-walker-cordell-jared-walker-bobble-head-gif-20250120

[shadow knoll]

not really

it's fine

new world has been so haki focused

[winter oasis]

no

we got this info before

[pseudo gulch]

Same ngl

[winter oasis]

when scopper showed up

and people complained a lot

[royal orchid]

as usual

[celest mauve]

oda draws luffy so much better in the manga than in these covers most of the time

[pseudo gulch]

We saw he was able to hurt Sommers but was it clear it was aCoC?

[winter oasis]

yes he said so

[pseudo gulch]

I forgot about that ngl

[winter oasis]

the flashback has been 6 months

[pseudo gulch]

Do you remember which chapter it was?

[rose rune]

to be fair, it's only the second time haki counters something

[winter oasis]

no

i think he also mentioned it down with loki and luffy

[shadow knoll]

so you just gotta keep on hitting gks with aconq

until they stop regenerating

how they gonna defeat imu then?

create a factory that produces haki knots?

[pseudo gulch]

Stronger aconq coated punches

[rose rune]

by eating him/her

[royal orchid]

3 if you count Kaido and Big Mom only being damaged by acoc

[heady smelt]

They have yet to uncover the secret of his power (probably a df) and its weakness

[rose rune]

Luffy is known for attempting cannibalism

[royal orchid]

it's power creep

[pseudo gulch]

Isn't this how Roger and Garp defeated Rocks anyway lol

[royal orchid]

the world if oda doesn't make haki the solution to beating imu

https://tenor.com/view/butterfly-gif-7933445

[shadow knoll]

yeah, df weaknesses aren't even really taken into consideration anymore

[rose rune]

I don't count that, because it basically boils down to having strong haki to damage another person with strong haki

[shadow knoll]

haki's the counter to everything

[rose rune]

it's like saying more muscles counters muscles

[pseudo gulch]

"If a punch doesn't work punch harder duh"
-Oda

[royal orchid]

but they aren't using haki to defend themselves is the thing, I could see it if they were
they on base level can only take damage through haki or specific penetrating abilities

[shadow knoll]

which was the last fight where df weakness was used as a counter?

[heady smelt]

It could be similar to Sugar, her DF seems so inevitable and it is in a way, unless you know the weakness. The problem with Imu is like no one has an idea of his power, and what its weakness could be, but there's surely one. At least we know there's a range for the lowest covenants plans he offers, it's the first time a limit is introduced about his power, and for me it means his power comes from a fruit.

[rose rune]

she does?? that was the entire point of Capone's picture plan

[pseudo gulch]

Isn't it the third? First we got logias and then we saw that if your haki was strong enough you can't be affected by some devil fruits (like Law's, and I assume Kuma's too)

[rose rune]

actually fair. I'll accept that one

[shadow knoll]

i don't even think imu's power comes from a devil fruit to be honest

[dense snow]

Bro just got the genes fr

[shadow knoll]

like that's too much even for a devil fruit

[dense snow]

[rose rune]

but I'll add that so far it only counters devil fruits and regen.

[pseudo gulch]

Imu rn looks insanely busted but there's definitely gonna be something that works against them

[shadow knoll]

we had a discussion about this a few days ago

[shadow knoll]

you are not gonna believe this but it's haki

[ashen perch]

We'll get a quick aftermath/fallout sequence and then move on yea, No Loki's adventures, that was the bet

[oak sage]

Blackbeard vs Boa?

[cosmic hamlet]

Alright, got it

[royal orchid]

she wasn't using haki there as far as we know, unless she's in great psychological stress her skin is naturally extremely tough

[heady smelt]

I know some ppl think he's the creator of the devil fruits or some demon, or the mother sea etc, but I really think his power is just a fruit. I'm saying "just" but still a terrifying fruit. The fact Joyboy's haki reached him and cancelled the teleportation and transformation of the Gorosei on Egghead tells a lot imo, if it wasn't fruit related it wouldn't have cancelled anything, nor would have reached its source, Imu.

[pseudo gulch]

And those are two pretty huge things it can counter, Franky, Brook and Robin STILL don't know how to use it

[oak sage]

So...Loki's fruit is Fenrir, right?

[shadow knoll]

hmm possible i guess

[pseudo gulch]

Luffy will haki coated punch his way to becoming the pirate king

[shadow knoll]

yeah, cuz hancock said if she dies bb's army dies too, right?

[shadow knoll]

[oak sage]

I said mostly because Blackbeard had to negate her devil fruit with darkness fruit to win

Darkness fruit counters all df

[shadow knoll]

that's also one of the broken fruits

[pseudo gulch]

To be fair every battle between Teach and a devil fruit user will see df weaknesses being used as a counter

[heady smelt]

The real topic for me is the origin of the devil fruits, I think a special tree will be introduced in a flashback sooner or later that will show how the devil fruits first appeared; It will probably show that they come from wishes made by people, good wishes and bad ones, and I bet Imu's DF comes from the worst someone could imagine, while on the other side the Nika fruit is the "best" someone could wish for

[royal orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/law-blackbeard-devil-fruit-kurozu-yami-gif-8963305209783234247

[oak sage]

I still think Darkness fruit is the only way to stop Imu and his servants immortality

[rose rune]

it's most likely haki since she got a scratch from not even being attacked.

[cinder juniper]

he did I mean overall it makes sense they would want him back

[royal orchid]

so what do you guys think of 🐿️

[pseudo gulch]

I wonder if Vegapunk created the squirrel hammer

[shadow knoll]

yeah that's something i hv never given a thought tbh, i just thought devil fruits just spawn suddenly, like when ace died, his df spawned somewhere else randomly

[oak sage]

Probably a reference to Ratatorsk (not sure of the spelling), a norse god

[pseudo gulch]

Squammer?

[rose rune]

doubt. it has been around for longer than vegapunk

[pseudo gulch]

That's true

Oda could pull some bullshit like time travel to explain how Vegapunk created it

[rose rune]

harald was talking about how no one had eaten the fruit because the hammer didn't deem anyone worthy, meaning it's at least older than harald

[heady smelt]

Yes that's how they become available again ofc, but like the real question for me is how they came into being for the first time. I think either Imu's fruit or the Nika fruit could have been the last fruits that were wished for before the tree was destroyed forever

[pseudo gulch]

Does that mean Harald wasn't worthy then

[shadow knoll]

maybe raftel has that tree

[oak sage]

https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratatoskr

[pseudo gulch]

Or maybe he didn't care about it so he didn't even try to eat it

[rose rune]

probably, but we don't know if he ever tried

[shadow knoll]

yeah harald wasn't worthy ig

[heady smelt]

probably, it's supposed to be a treasure after all, if it's not the same tree it has to be something equivalent or something that could counter it

[oak sage]

The fruit worthiness could be tied with Loki's eyes

[pseudo gulch]

Loki >>>>>>> Harald then, Socrates won

[rose rune]

socrates wins johto 2025

[sage temple]

Damn right I did

[pseudo gulch]

What's that award 😭

[dense pike]

Does Ratatoskr have lightning powers in this?
cus if not im willing to chalk the lightning stuff up to the hammer being made partially of Raijin Island metal

[oak sage]

After this chapter I'm kinda convinced Loki won't join he crew and he'll become the King of Elbaf and lead the giants allied with Luffy

[clear rose]

cool chapter, loki continues being the goat

[royal orchid]

9/10 chapter

[dense pike]

Congrats! 🥳

[oak sage]

Maybe Ratatosk eat hammer fruit xd

[clear rose]

yeah he's definitely staying I dont see him showing up again till the final war

[heady smelt]

Pikachuskr

[cosmic hamlet]

[sage temple]

Current Loki > 16Y/O Loki >= HK Harald > Ragnir > Base Harald = Rocks > Kaido > G5 Luffy > 25 Y/O Shanks

[rose rune]

I just noticed the text on the side says ratatøskur or something

[dense pike]

that still wouldnt explain the lightning. Im asking about the lightning

[sage temple]

https://tenor.com/view/hawkeye-marvel-clint-barton-hawkeye-clint-jeremy-renner-gif-25112145

[dense pike]

https://tenor.com/view/archer-slap-gif-5888687

[shadow knoll]

loki >>>>> harald >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>hajrudin

[clear rose]

man I dont even wanna think about the powerscaling of this

[royal orchid]

“Zocrates winz!!!!” -Johto, Jump New Years conference (December 27th 2025)

[pseudo gulch]

We don't disrespect Hajrudin

[dense pike]

good, then dont

[rustic coral]

https://tenor.com/view/absolute-cinema-raccoon-absolute-cinema-gif-17862327649353748812

[pseudo gulch]

The key to a good life, no powerscaling

[clear rose]

probably gonna end up putting more thought into it than Oda himself if I do

[shadow knoll]

hajrudin got done dirty though

[cosmic hamlet]

Rocks > Kaido >= G5 Luffy > HK Harald > Ragnir > Base Harald > 25 Y/O Shanks > Current Loki > 16Y/O Loki

[dense pike]

Loki wielding Ragnir
vs
Harjudin wielding Machvise

[shadow knoll]

when harald was under imu's control, he called loki and garul

didn't even bother abt hajrudin

[royal orchid]

"Scissors kills paper but lost to rock?!"
-Confused Powerscaler

[shadow knoll]

[sage temple]

Old man yells at cloud

Anyways can't wait to see what Awakened Loki looks like

[cosmic hamlet]

Why? Is it because he inherited dumbness from harald?

[shadow knoll]

https://tenor.com/view/abe-simpson-abe-simpson-cloud-yelling-cloud-angry-gif-12558964

[royal orchid]

he knows bro is a gear 2 victim pray for him

[pseudo gulch]

We don't disrespect straw hat fleet captains

[cosmic hamlet]

Look at you talking about yourself

[woeful moth]

https://tenor.com/view/usopp-hammer-gif-gif-26747743

[rustic coral]

Hajrudin more like LOSER amirite

[cosmic hamlet]

We sure can

[clear rose]

Lamerudin

he's aight

[rustic coral]

Loki has to join the crew now

[shadow knoll]

nah

he's ruling for elbaf

[oak sage]

I have no idea. In the Game smite Ratatoskr has lighting in his attacks iirc but I can't find about it's powers in mythology other than perforation with its tooth

[clear rose]

man all I got from this chapter was that he probably wont

I would like to be wrong tho

[woeful moth]

he literally did what Harald didn't do... join the greatest pirate of his generation

[shadow knoll]

and the gives ragnir to usopp

[rose rune]

it had to be done

[sage temple]

Sorry I just don't entertain things said by people I know are baiting

[cold steppe]

Wait. Now that we know the hammer is alive. Usopp can grab it because the hammer would just be lifting itself up

Goda

[sage temple]

Not worth the wasted time to engage with that

[cosmic hamlet]

Good, then don't entertain yourself

[shadow knoll]

someone should taake your OP reading rights away

[sage temple]

👍

[cosmic hamlet]

Peak

[rose rune]

why take them away when I don't read

[sage temple]

Anyways I wonder what makes Loki's hammer produce lightning

The squirrel might be lightning related

[pseudo gulch]

The same thing that makes Kin'emon sword produce flames

Bullshit

[sage temple]

Yeah probably

[cosmic hamlet]

Base harald who is asking to be killed and not fighting back

[pseudo gulch]

If it looks cool it doesn't need an explanation

Rule number one of shonen

[sage temple]

I'm glad Loki haters can speak less and less as the story goes on

[shadow knoll]

!speedreader

[tropic nova]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/164971940648321024/535148418100887562/Lightspeedread.png

[sage temple]

I remember when they said Loki didn't eat the legendary fruit at first

[oak sage]

The squirrel is Enel

[pseudo gulch]

Don't get too attached to him

[sage temple]

And then it was "Shanks did all the work against Harald, Loki did nothing"

[dense pike]

HEAVY?!
Machvise (and by proxy Harjudin) upscale niiiin!!

[royal orchid]

SQUEAK~♪
♡♡🐿️♡

[shadow knoll]

hajrudin gonna get one hit KO-ed the moment he goes up with luffy and loki

[oak sage]

Hajrudin already got one shot by Luffy in Dressrosa

[clear rose]

Shanks fans leeching as always

to be fair tho he did beat Loki later so

[royal orchid]

I mean it has to be a squirrel with a hammer fruit instead of a hammer with a squirrel fruit right

[unique lagoon]

is this electric sword even in the manga

[sage temple]

This is headccanon ngl

[shadow knoll]

Oda offscreeened that btw

[sage temple]

Loki and Shanks even fighting in the first place isn't confirmed

[shadow knoll]

we going back to the present after this

[pseudo gulch]

I have no idea lol

[royal orchid]

goofy ass character in the back

[shadow knoll]

yeah that also socrates

[clear rose]

we know he captured him somehow, I'll give him the benefit for now cause 39 year old Shanks seems to be cracked

[sage temple]

We don't even know if they fought

[sage temple]

Yeah but just "Capturing" Loki doesn't really imply a fight as strongly as people make it out to be

[shadow knoll]

shanks "captured" him

[clear rose]

Shanks almost as much of an offscreen merchant as Blackbeard

[sage temple]

Queen got Big Mom tied up

They didn't actually fight

[dense pike]

*Hajrudin picks up Ragnir*
Loki: "H-HOW?! Are you worthy too?"
Hajrudin: "Worthy? No… Ive just lifted heavier than this…"
-# this is nothing compared to you… Machvise…

[clear rose]

you think he used a trick or something? ion know it doesn't seem like how Shanks would do business but who knows

[winter oasis]

queen one shot big mom

[oak sage]

Bet that Loki gave up himself to cover the massacre and keep Harald's name clean and take the fall for it. Because deep inside Loki is a softy that loves his dad and mom (Ida).

[sage temple]

So just the fact that Loki got captured doesn't mean they fought

[shadow knoll]

https://tenor.com/view/the-sims-burglar-cringe-stop-don't-do-it-gif-6738812212742461103

[unique lagoon]

just make hajrudin do the politics stuff
he fits there

[sage temple]

Sure but I think Loki and Shanks fighting isn't really confirmed at all yet

[clear rose]

that would be in character yeah, and after this I fail to see how Shanks and Loki would be on bad terms

[shadow knoll]

nah loki and shanks proabbly did fight

[clear rose]

staying chained up for 6 whole years is crazy tho

[shadow knoll]

but it was no a full fledged fight

that lead to loki's defeat

maybe something happened and loki gave in

[sage temple]

Whether Loki and Shanks actually fought is still headcanon until proven otherwise though

[shadow knoll]

even that might be possible

[cold steppe]

What ? He has a grudge on shanks

[unique lagoon]

now i wonder if loki and shanks will have bad relationship after this

[oak sage]

I see the probability of them fighting to be below 1% xd

[shadow knoll]

😭

[clear rose]

he did call Shanks a coward

was that really just ragebait

[unique lagoon]

i think its part of the whole giant culture of honor stuff

[cold steppe]

Imo. Loki wanted to set sail and destroy the world

And shanks stopped him

[oak sage]

That was a phase

[shadow knoll]

huh?

[clear rose]

I feel like him wanting to destroy the world is more metaphorical than anything

like not actually destroy it just change the status

[shadow knoll]

so all this character development of loki caring abt his mum and dad and elbaf was for nothing

[clear rose]

the world is what took both of them away tbf

[shadow knoll]

harald told him to tell elbaf, that harald killed everybody

[oak sage]

Loki probably wants to kill Imu for what we just saw and Gyaban and Shanks told him it was a bad idea or that it wasn't the moment to do it yet.

That's a reason I can see to call him coward.

[shadow knoll]

and loki prolly took the blame

[unique lagoon]

im going with this
this is his whole gimmick as a pirate

[shadow knoll]

this is more plausible

[clear rose]

destroying the world could also just be destroying the world government

[shadow knoll]

i can actually see that happening

[shadow knoll]

really? did oda word it like that?

[clear rose]

no its just what I think

[unique lagoon]

tho loki dint reach the redline

i wonder if he tried

8 years not reaching redline kinda sus

[shadow knoll]

yeah prolly

[oak sage]

Destroying the world often means destroying "how the world is at the moment" not literally the planet.

[unique lagoon]

its about destroying the system mannn
like fuji

[clear rose]

hey Luffy is being accused of potentially destroying the world too right

[shadow knoll]

was shirahoshi born when this fight was happening?

[clear rose]

its probably the same thing

[clear rose]

yeah she should be like

2 years old?

[oak sage]

I don't remember the timeline of the massacre. Shirahoshi is 16 now iirc

[clear rose]

this is 14 years ago

[clear rose]

18 or 16

[shadow knoll]

yeah, i was thinking maybe loki did go out destroy marie joes, and somehow met shirahoshi or got a transponder snail and shanks got him back

[oak sage]

Probably 16 because I remember Vander Decken as the biggest pedo in the show xd

[shadow knoll]

yeah wiki says 16

[muted hedge]

i think this was just to lure Luffy into freeing him

[clear rose]

back then when he set sail she would be 10 years old, at that point she already was using her powers

iirc

[unique lagoon]

that works
but since we dont have much info on what he did for 8 years
im going with what we have so far

him constantly killing pirate crews prob strong ones
could have inflated his bounty also

[muted hedge]

i think he was searching for the Galley-La giants or just wanted to cause havock so the World Government wouldn't have a choice but to oppose him directly, so he could destroy them

[unique lagoon]

special bounty also inflated his bounty

[muted hedge]

the special bounty is the most curious part to me

[unique lagoon]

best guess is WG wanted him alive

[shadow knoll]

okay then when did shanks capture him, after the harald fight, or after 8 years llater?

[muted hedge]

yeah, though that would mean that it would probably be changed now given he rejected their offer

we haven't seen the actual poster either

[clear rose]

8 years later yeah, thats whats weird about it

[unique lagoon]

shanks with his discoveries prob thought the DF is very important
captured him basically saved loki from himself

cuz wg about to get him

[shadow knoll]

damn i actually didn't know that

[unique lagoon]

so that means shanks was involved with the future of both DFs rocks wanted

[muted hedge]

maybe Shanks saved him from the World Government, yeah

[unique lagoon]

well tbh i dont know if rocks even wanted the gomu now
he dint know nika

[muted hedge]

yeah that's curious

though maybe he didn't know about Nika but just the power that Joyboy had

since he knew of Joyboy

[unique lagoon]

so its lokis df and yami then

[shadow knoll]

and haki

[unique lagoon]

loki df + yami
or loki df + nika

[shadow knoll]

don't forget HAKI

[muted hedge]

it would be strange to not include the Nika fruit given how impactful Nika has been to the overarching narrative

[shadow knoll]

nika fruit got long way to go

at the moment loki df + yami and maybe ragnir too

[unique lagoon]

something tells me the yami DF is literally a forgotten legendary df

[muted hedge]

it's probably similair to the Nika fruit

[shadow knoll]

yeah

plausible

[muted hedge]

it's been rewritten as something else, to make people forget it's true purpose

[unique lagoon]

i mean history wise
its like first world legendary

[shadow knoll]

bro gaban's head in vegapunk's body is so funny wtf

[dense haven]

odas memory as well

hes going senile

[unique lagoon]

so loki wanted elbaf to know what herald did cuz heralds will
but those 3 stopped him

[dense haven]

probably not

[shadow knoll]

but why would they stop him?

[dense haven]

if loki told everyone people would know harold is a fraud and a dumb cunt

[unique lagoon]

worst future for elbaf maybe

[heady smelt]

I bet Loki himself didn't want to tarnish his father's memory among the people

[unique lagoon]

imagine what would happen to elbaf if they knew herald was fraud

[dense haven]

loki instead decided to take the blame for killing harold just to keep his name clean

[unique lagoon]

by fraud i mean he almost sold em all out

[dense haven]

he can easily just be saying what harold did

instead he's going full psycho

[clear rose]

https://tenor.com/view/speed-ishowspeed-twitter-meme-ishowspeed-twitter-gif-11849189132464068160

[heady smelt]

No Elbaph king in 800 years did what he did, in a way he's the worst king of Elbaph in a while

[distant vine]

So what do we think Loki's fruit is? Seems to be more Zoan Piece

[unique lagoon]

well yeah thats what i said

[shadow knoll]

nah loki is not the type of person who would tarnish his father's name

[dense haven]

its a horsa

mpreg loki is real

[unique lagoon]

so loki wont follow his fathers wishes?

[rose rune]

https://tenor.com/view/horse-fall-flatten-deflate-yeouch-gif-12145326287840482506

[heady smelt]

But he was dumb, he should've followed the Oden way, and trying to learn the truth so that he could learn there was a reason Elbaph was disconnected from the world

[shadow knoll]

it's been zoan piece since from dressrosa

[clear rose]

a mythical zoan obviously, aint there a 6 footed horse in norse mythology or whatever that Loki turns into

[rose rune]

8 legs

[unique lagoon]

keeping heralds image in tact > heralds final wish

[shadow knoll]

what? oden was even worse...

he danced

[clear rose]

yeah whatever that is, that or some othr Lizard monster that Loki can turn into

[shadow knoll]

like a dumbass

[rose rune]

well, there are several wolves in norse mythology

[clear rose]

I was hoping it wasn't a zoan tho ngl, I wanted him to get an op paramecia

ah well

[unique lagoon]

i think herald had more chance to fix his mistake
compare to oden

herald was warned also

[shadow knoll]

silhoutte piece, haki piece, zoan piece, lotta stocks going up today

[unique lagoon]

did anyone tell oden kaido was weak

after moria

[rose rune]

honestly didn't know Odin had wolf companions, but I knew about the sons of fenrir

[shadow knoll]

woof woof

[heady smelt]

Oh no no no no, Oden wanted to go at see, then when he met Roger he felt it was an unique opportunity to learn the truth and he followed his destiny, learned the truth and why Wano was a closed nation etc. Then on Wano, he wanted to take down Kaido and Orochi but Orochi tricked him with hostages and made he feel guilty for the way Wano treated the Kurozumi. Oden accepted so that no hostage would be killed, repenting for Wano's way of persecuting the Kurozumi even though they had deserved it, preserving also the secret about Pluton being hidden there. Also, he bore a responsibility, Pluton and its importance in the prophecy being a big reason why he submitted to Orochi imo

The way Oden acted, he protected his people as much as he could, while protecting the future and Pluton from falling into Kaido's hands

[shadow knoll]

maybe

but both of them are dumbasses

kings can't be gullible

[unique lagoon]

herald is way smarter than oden also
he was a politician
oden dint have that social skill

oden just wanted adventure and stuff

[heady smelt]

He was also sincere of hearts and he believed Kaido would leave, but it's important imo to remember that Oden went to Laugh Tale and knows Pluton is absolutely necessary, each member of Roger's crew got a specific duty after returning from Laugh Tale, Oden's was to protect Pluton and make Wano ready to assist Joyboy when he returns

[heady smelt]

What a poor politician, he tried to be like a diplomat, but he got played by Imu and the WG

[unique lagoon]

well yeah he was smart but his ambition was stronger

[shadow knoll]

cobra was actually a good king

[heady smelt]

I wouldn't call Harald smart tbh, I agree that Cobra indeed is smart

[unique lagoon]

diplomat smart cuz he did made good relations with other countries

ill give the man some credit

[heady smelt]

Harald accepted the covenant, didn't even find it weird that the world had a secret king, accepted the covenant and everything, he was so obsessed by getting Elbaph into the WG he didn't think about why it was better for them not to be in for 800 years

[shadow knoll]

both harald and oden believed the enemy so easily which is what ticks me off

[heady smelt]

He was also warned directly by Rocks several times, dismissed it

Definitely not a smart move

[prisma yacht]

Harald didn't know who the enemy was

[clear rose]

I know he was warned constantly by Rocks but I dont think any living person would have ever thought they would be working for religion accurate satan

[unique lagoon]

cuz rocks wanted him to join him
that part was stopping herald

[dense haven]

I mean its not really hard once you stop just killing people on sight

[prisma yacht]

oh he was so based

[heady smelt]

Oden believed Kaido for sure, but it was an hostage situation, people being hostage and the future as well with Pluton risking to fall in his hands and ruining the prophecy, in the end he made the most logical and secure choice for a good guy (not a villain)

[unique lagoon]

again blame his obsession with joining the WG for elbafs future

[heady smelt]

Also, you can see how worse the situation in Wano got after Oden's death, he was indirectly protecting as much as he could

[clear rose]

would you not do that tho as a king in his place, I mean the WG offers so many benefits to their countries

[unique lagoon]

like i said before
i think elbaf was fine as is without WG
other countries helping them already

but WG tried ruining that = feeding more into his obsession

[pseudo gulch]

Oden was naive in trusting Kaido but I can see why he did that

Harald deserved it for believing the wg idc

[clear rose]

obviously the red flags are there but ion know you look at what other countries get in return for joining the WG I dont think its so unreasonable that he would still be on their side, I think the one truly dumb thing he did was still try to join them aftr Rocks was killed

[shadow knoll]

nah you need to call the bluff something and you are forgetting oden had like the most powerful swordmen

[unique lagoon]

him apologizing for some ancient dispute between WG and giants
was ~~kinda ~~stupid cuz he dint even knew what it was

[clear rose]

at that point I wouldn't join them personally but who knows how he thought of it

[shadow knoll]

that's what i am saying

[unique lagoon]

that part annoyed me more

[shadow knoll]

both of them are so bad at being kings

[clear rose]

and the giants are still being enslaved regardless too

[shadow knoll]

they thought everyone's gonna keep their end of the bargain

[unique lagoon]

annoyed me more cuz oda dint even give us any info on what that ancient issue was

[prisma yacht]

He knew what it was

[unique lagoon]

who

[prisma yacht]

Harald

[unique lagoon]

did he?

when

[shadow knoll]

if i had to learn how to be a king, i would prolly learn from imu, he seems to be a good king

[heady smelt]

Oden was a bit naive, he should have fought back immediately after returning to Wano but he was facing the trickiest people, as Kaido said if Oden had allied with Hyogoro he could've won but he did fall in Kaido and Orochi's trap I'll admit it, but from his point of view Oden did what he thought was the best choice on the moment, he knew his secret task too

[prisma yacht]

I mean isn't it obv to assume why else wld he go this far

[clear rose]

he probably knows I mean, he is the king, my guess is we're not supposed to know it yet

[prisma yacht]

[clear rose]

probably has to do with void century

[shadow knoll]

agreed about that part

[torn osprey]

Huh, thought there be no chapter this week

[shadow knoll]

yeah i wrote it, oda's on vacation

[prisma yacht]

Yay good for us

[unique lagoon]

dont think so bud
if you read this theres really not much info even from old man jarul

thats after the gallelia giants (prob got the spelling wrong)

[clear rose]

this doesn't really imply he wouldn't know later on

[unique lagoon]

we stretching now

sure offscreen info works but still

[clear rose]

ion know I'll wait and see, if its never brought up again then you're right he didn't know, I just dont buy he would do all this without even knowing the reason for the conflict

[unique lagoon]

if old man jarul dint know how would herald know

[shadow knoll]

old man jarul is going through amnesia

he don't remember shit anyways

[clear rose]

500 year old senile

[heady smelt]

orochi = liar, had 7 lives with his fruit
Higurashi = can become anyone, liar, tricky mind
The old Kurozumi guy = barrier fruit, can't pass him in "normal" conditions
Kanjuro = traitor, mole
Kaido = liar, manipulator

I mean, Oden was quite surrounded, there was no absolute best choice. Fighting back immediately = war, many casualties, uncertain issue, too risky for Wano and Pluton to fall in Kaido's hands if he loses. I mean I understand Oden's choice

[prisma yacht]

Also it doesn't matter I love harald for the reasons y'all hate him
He felt so burdened by the actions of giants that he went as far as to rip off his horns and even offered himself to be a slave
He has my respect for this

[shadow knoll]

nobody hates him

he just a bad king

[unique lagoon]

they just basically connected this ancient enemy is WG
the details on why is unkown
so herald being a dumbass thought he alone can pay for that

[clear rose]

I do like Harald tho he is a complex character, I think him being disliked by a large portion of people shows that he is pretty well written, he's just also a dumbass

[unique lagoon]

which imu himself said herald was not enough

so herald dint know the weight of the "sin"

[heady smelt]

Lmao we know there's no "sin" at all

[clear rose]

fabricated WG propaganda

[heady smelt]

It's just Imu's way of gaslighting people

[unique lagoon]

we looking at this in Imu perspective

[prisma yacht]

Ermmm we do know it's there

[shadow knoll]

yeah prolly

[prisma yacht]

Giants used to rampage and loot from others

[clear rose]

obviously the "sin" to literal devils would be something actually good to normal people

[prisma yacht]

This is even shown

[unique lagoon]

herald had no idea man
its some big shit that went down who knows how long ago

[clear rose]

that would be way after tho wouldn't it, I think Imu doesn't care about those bad things specifically

as much as it is them probably helping Joyboy or whatever

[dense haven]

yall liked the chapter?

[prisma yacht]

mpreg loki is real

[shadow knoll]

i mean yeah giants used to terrorize on land long ago but imu prolly made it sound worse

[clear rose]

yeah it was cool, some of the panelling was a little confusing but not the first time it happened

[unique lagoon]

you could argue herald knew about it but dint think its a big deal
but for imu it was i guess

kinda lame but that works

[prisma yacht]

No I'm not talking about that
Before harald reformed elbaf
They used to loot and caused troubles

[clear rose]

I would never take Imu's word for anything

[shadow knoll]

nah imu is way too salty to llet it go

[prisma yacht]

I remember harald beating the shit out of that one giant

[unique lagoon]

true imu is just a spiteful creature

[clear rose]

oh you mean in general they were just bad folk, yeah that is true, and Harald is trying to repent for those actions as well

[shadow knoll]

imu would prolly be salty if you took a flower from her room adn ran away

[prisma yacht]

cause harald felt he was undoing all of Harald's work

[clear rose]

its just that in the grand scheme of things I meant that thats not what Imu is concerning himself about when he talks about how he hates giants

[prisma yacht]

Yeah

[unique lagoon]

exposition is odd in this series
cuz they are rarely wrong
when a character like imu says something like that

whens the last time stuff like that turned out to be wrong

[prisma yacht]

Oh yeah I get that imu just wants his ambition to come true

[shadow knoll]

yeah imu prolly doesn't lie abt anything abt things Imu holds grudges against

[unique lagoon]

so its prob a big thing the giants did

prob even before the gallelia giants

war stuff

[shadow knoll]

wait

[unique lagoon]

possibly first world war

[shadow knoll]

does imu know what big mom did as a kid?

[unique lagoon]

im still 50/50 if imu was alive during first world

[heady smelt]

One of Imu's funniest panel to me

[prisma yacht]

What was bro saying here

[unique lagoon]

funny imu face? yeah this one def

[heady smelt]

We can't see it but the little sweat drop is there lol

[tranquil blade]

So the hammer has a fruit and Loki has a fruit now

Also why did Oda hide the fruit power again 💔

[heady smelt]

We gotta thank Rocks for making Imu look like this lol

[unique lagoon]

also toei imu hair/fur

[sleek viper]

This makes me question if he’s still silhoutted or just one big blob mf

[heady smelt]

AUFHKZAJKKZKKZKZKZKKAKMAKMAPFPLV

[unique lagoon]

who knows anymore oda out here making characters fight a silhouette

[heady smelt]

https://tenor.com/view/imu-sama-imu-one-piece-imu-one-piece-gif-9591400471796142390

[pseudo gulch]

Serperior arms

[shadow knoll]

imu is prolly the manga character that is a silhouette for the longest time

[pseudo gulch]

Vegapunk was a silhouette for a long time as well

Kaido too

[clear rose]

is Imu really a silhouette tho or is he just black goo at this point

that one panel of rocks cutting him up got me wondering

[pseudo gulch]

Any guess is a good guess at this point

[sleek viper]

He shudnt hve silhoutted the Holy Knights, cz such fodder

[clear rose]

holy bums

[shadow knoll]

maybe oda never reveals imu's face

[unique lagoon]

imu fight is next level silhouette
multiple characters fighting the black blob

[prisma yacht]

I don't think all the current hks are bums at all

[shadow knoll]

i mean one of Oda's criticisms yet again, he milked this stuff alot

[heady smelt]

How is Imu a silhouette to you guys lol

[unique lagoon]

it would be funny if its just a blackblob with no features just eyes

[shell sinew]

so we have a new chapter next week?

[shadow knoll]

no

abt 2 weeks

give or take

[clear rose]

yeah this one is technically not dropping on mangaplus officially till the sunday after

[winter oasis]

mods should have been clearer...

[prisma yacht]

around 8 days for the official release

of 1170

[shell sinew]

bruh you guys waiting for tcb, when the tcb translation is worse than the ragnarok scans. Coppers is saying he tried to take shanks back from the holy knights

[clear rose]

thats not what it says on the panel you posted tho

[shell sinew]

yes its from tcb

tcb is the wrong one

[clear rose]

oh I get what you mean

[winter oasis]

yeah their machine translation works better sometimes

[clear rose]

yeah thats a pretty big difference

I usually only read mangaplus ever since elbaf started but I aint waiting 2 whole weeks

[pseudo gulch]

It'll all be straight up black panels

Idk if I can make the joke I want to make

[prisma yacht]

dang

I thought meek did a proof read

[winter oasis]

meek is not to be trusted

[prisma yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/american-psycho-willem-dafoe-duh-duhh-obviously-gif-16794513

[hoary steppe]

Why juba

[winter oasis]

attention seeking behavior

[hoary steppe]

[clear rose]

I do appreciate him giving us chapters early atleast

[winter oasis]

does he take credit for that

[frozen aspen]

Meek takes credit for every mistake in scanslations

[shadow tangle]

dang. loki is a real one

[shell sinew]

working on them over christmas time is appreciated fr

[shadow knoll]

translators do be doing it for the love of the game

[royal orchid]

meek is the reason for every infamous translating decision from tcb of course

[azure wasp]

I hate how character became fragile as fuck when they get regen.
Harald felt like he was made out of paper once he got regen

[grand flower]

????

[azure wasp]

[royal orchid]

surely oda has an in universe explanation

like deep sea contracts changing your form to make you able to traverse the abyss

[vernal ravine]

literally is like it makes your body weaker

[urban lodge]

Point and laugh at everyone who thought we would see the fruit

They don't know Oda

[shadow knoll]

me who thought it was gonna be nika fruit

[azure wasp]

The fact harald of all people looked like this after 1 swing from loki is stupid unless his body became less durable.
Or we upscale loki

[vernal ravine]

who's who yonkou level

[royal orchid]

he's using that fruit

[urban lodge]

And you get a silhouette

[dense haven]

any harold fans in chat

[shadow knoll]

no he died

[sage temple]

After what Harald said this chapter I like him ngl

He's been redeemed

I wish he were my dad ngl

[royal orchid]

Harald reminds me a lot of Glonk

[sage temple]

whatever dat means

[royal orchid]

nah I'm joking

[dense haven]

https://tenor.com/view/glorp-dog-glorp-dog-gif-14273000689600138544

[frozen aspen]

wtf

peak name from spice

[urban lodge]

Another devil fruit weapon and we still have zero idea how they're made

[sage temple]

Lmaoo

Im using ts

[sage temple]

Devil Fruit Weapon explanation or Mermaid bathroom explanation

We can only have 1

[shadow knoll]

crack cocaine

[prisma yacht]

oh yeah? explain this

[hidden monolith]

loki haki gotta strong asf bro

[urban lodge]

You got me...

But no I mean him using it, unsilhouetted

[sage temple]

Loki's Haki is definitely strong

[urban lodge]

Oh yeah mythical zoan confirmed too

Probably

[shadow knoll]

i mean technically we still don't know what the fruit is actually

it's a mythical zoan

[sage temple]

The fact that he was able to unlock ACoC at only 16

Maybe even younger than 16

[shadow knoll]

that's confirmed

[royal orchid]

shit so zoomed in it looks like observing atoms

[hidden monolith]

i thought both him and the milojnir got myth df

[prisma yacht]

we also see the claw marks on harald

[sage temple]

Also I find it sick how Loki was able to beat Ragnir while base Harald apparently can't

[urban lodge]

RIP cloud logia @fallen meteor

[royal orchid]

what if it's a black cloud logia

[hidden monolith]

he rlly js got mad n popped em i don’t understand how harald couldn’t do that 😭

[urban lodge]

Yeah

[sage temple]

Yeah Worstgen did say this would cause a lot of changes for where Loki is scaled

[tranquil blade]

This kiki looking fruit, also jeez it's so small you can barely make out the details of it

[errant zephyr]

So wait I’m confused. Loki ate a devil fruit and the hammer also ate a devil fruit? Why did the hammer eat a squirrel fruit? I’m just so confused also Oda such a clown. I love how it’s a big ass squirrel living in a big ass tree.

[tranquil blade]

Oda did remember the squirrel

Yeah the hammer has a fruit

[hazy cypress]

Ratatoskr reference raaaahhh

[tranquil blade]

Now idk if the hammer always had lightning powers or if the Squirrel is the one who has them

[errant zephyr]

If its a flying squirrel that could explain the hammer flying

[hidden monolith]

the lightning is conq haki, unless u referring to a diff part n im trippin

from loki

[urban lodge]

It produces actual electricity

[hidden monolith]

fr

[tranquil blade]

Well the black lightning is conquerors haki, but what about the regular lightning that can actually burn shit

[urban lodge]

Maybe not produces it but summons it

[hazy cypress]

Loki actually unlocked white conquerors can you believe it chat

[tranquil blade]

Also I'm so mad at Oda for hiding the transformation

[urban lodge]

You should have known...

[tranquil blade]

I knew it was gonna fuckin happen too

[hazy cypress]

Silhouette piece never left

[tranquil blade]

but I had hope Oda wouldnt pull this AGAIN

[heady smelt]

But that's normal, he's saving it for when they face Imunko

[tranquil blade]

This feels like act 3 of Wano all over again

[hidden monolith]

wait bro actually smited him? 😭

i did not think that was that 😂😂

[tranquil blade]

Yeah Harald got hit by all that

[hazy cypress]

you can see the bolt come down from the top actually lol

fucked up

Maybe if he weren't so damn big it wouldve hit something else

rookie mistake

[tranquil blade]

Loki redirects the lightning directly at Harald

I guess that is something the hammer can allow Loki to do

[heady smelt]

Your pfp is hilarious btw XD

[sage temple]

I wonder how Loki killed a HK while Gaban and his crewmates could only send them away

[heady smelt]

? What do you mean how?

[hidden monolith]

i wanna say idk why i didn’t catch this but ik it’s bc i was caught up on loki splitting him 😂

[tranquil blade]

The mark stopped working for a second, which is either because of Loki's fruit or because he just took so much damage that his regeneration slowed down (if that is a thing) and it gave an opening where he could be killed

[hidden monolith]

that’s crazy tho, that man loki boutta be a key factor in the future

[hidden monolith]

i wanna say it’s bc loki hit his mark, bc as it regened back he started losing control more n more

[urban lodge]

I think what Shanks and Gaban say implies it slows down if you take too much damage

[warm fossil]

so like what happened to shanks and gaban

did Harald just run off and they didn't follow or something

or did they get dropped

[tranquil blade]

I wanna say they got dropped because it means Shanks took an L but idk what happened

[warm fossil]

don't worry we're in for a streak of shanks Ls after his W against Loki

[sage temple]

Loki and Shanks aren't confirmed to have even fought

[tranquil blade]

Also Gaban says none of the knights he fought had coc, so that means most of the knights dont have it, i dont think that includes Shamrock tho

[warm fossil]

?

[sage temple]

Nobody actually says Loki and Shanks fought

They just say Shanks captured Loki

[warm fossil]

and how do you suppose that occured

[dense haven]

true its not a fight when loki gets one tapped

[sage temple]

There are plenty of ways Loki could have gotten captured without it actually being a fight

And even if it was a fight, it could've played out in a way where Shanks had lots and lots of help

[warm fossil]

I feel like you're setting yourself for failure

[sage temple]

I'm not saying this did happen but there is still nothing to confirm Loki and Shanks fought right now

[warm fossil]

I mean the only way they didn't is Loki gave himself up

which doesn't even make sense cause he doesn't need shanks to do that

[sage temple]

Not really. I'm correct in saying Loki and Shanks isn't actually confirmed

[sage temple]

Not really

Loki and Shanks could have just arranged a meeting, and Shanks gets help to poison Loki before Loki notices, and as a result, Loki gets captured and sees Shanks as a coward

[warm fossil]

even if that was true you're still setting yourself up for failure lol

[tranquil blade]

It's gonna be a wolf isnt it

[sage temple]

It is true though

[warm fossil]

sure bud

[sage temple]

I'm not saying that did happen

[ornate tartan]

i’ve never seen bigger cope then this😂😂😂

[tranquil blade]

This is the best silhoutte we have of Loki transformed

[sage temple]

I'm still saying Loki vs Shanks isn't confirmed

So it's presumptuous to say Loki lost to Shanks when we have no knowledge of the specifics

[warm fossil]

would you bet on it not having happened

[sage temple]

I don't think this counts as cope if it's literally true

[ornate tartan]

😭😭😭

[sage temple]

Yeah just spam emojis that'll help

[sage temple]

Yeah I would bet on Loki getting captured for some other reason other than Loki losing to Shanks in a 1v1

[warm fossil]

a 1v1 I might give you

[tranquil blade]

This whole page is honestly pretty cool it's like we're seeing it right from Loki's pov attacking Harald

[ornate tartan]

Loki wasn’t willing to be chained up according to you

Yet he’s tied up in the underworld for 6 years and tried to escape before the entire nation brought him back

Nice Logic

[warm fossil]

could've been more than shanks

although I think the odds are very much in favour of it being a 1v1

[tranquil blade]

Shanks poisoned Loki

[sage temple]

I didn't say Loki was or wasn't willing to be chained

[warm fossil]

the day a capable fighter actually loses to poison in one piece is the day oda will have gone too woke

[ornate tartan]

so how could someone as strong as Loki possibly be tied up without a fight first

use common sense

[sage temple]

Okay but it isn't confirmed so there's no real reason to act like it's a fact and start basing conclusions off of it

[fluid cedar]

Magellan took down bb luffy buggy

[tranquil blade]

This happened to Blackbeard tho

[warm fossil]

Magellan doesn't count come on now

[fluid cedar]

Poison fruit it counts

[prisma yacht]

Cyg shared something related to this

#also-manga message

[sage temple]

Poison, Agreement, Hostage, etc. and even if it was a fight, it could've been a bunch of strong people including Shanks against Loki

So nothing at all really says Loki vs Shanks was confirmed

[proud pivot]

Shanks and his crew fought Loki

[sage temple]

Or maybe Shanks along with another Yonko crew fought and took Loki down

We don't know rn

[proud pivot]

na idk if that will be the case

[willow pollen]

So what’s the devil fruit

[warm fossil]

why are we assuming Loki is some double yonko level character lol

[willow pollen]

Why’s oda blue balling us like bruh

[warm fossil]

sauce logia

[dense haven]

which one

loki is sleipnir df and the hammer is ratatoskr

[willow pollen]

Bro what’s very fucking weird is that I read a theory a long time ago that a giant will join the strawhats with a squirrel fruit

[muted hedge]

Gaban says that only Shanks was able to take him down

so it's a bit definitive

[warm fossil]

so how strong actually is loki

[tranquil blade]

It looks like Loki has an absurdly large torso it kinda looks like that captain america drawing

[dapper tree]

He's decently strong

[sage temple]

No, he doesn't say that

[warm fossil]

I'm thinking like slightly stronger than oden probably

[rich hornet]

More than rocks I guess

[dapper tree]

Above any commander for sure

[warm fossil]

no lol

[sage temple]

Gaban said nobody could take down Loki until Shanks

It being a fight is not definite at all

[warm fossil]

yeah definitely

[prisma yacht]

Loki is yonko tier pasta why are u comparing him with commanders

[warm fossil]

probably around admiral level?

[tranquil blade]

Oden is lowkenuinely stronger than Big Mom so this is acceptable

[warm fossil]

(no)

[dapper tree]

No

[tranquil blade]

Listen is Big Mom in Kaido's top 5?

[warm fossil]

like probably goes extreme diff with like old garp or something

[tranquil blade]

Checkmate

[rich hornet]

Idk I never saw rocks pick up Harald by the face

[urban lodge]

Rocks is a bum anyway, Loki can be stronger, it's fine

[tranquil blade]

Kaido was telling Big Mom during their 3 day fight "Oden would've pushed me to extreme diff by now!! You're washed you old hag"

[dapper tree]

That is pretty true

[warm fossil]

this is true but also kaido was an oden glazer

[dense haven]

kaido is the sb of opverse

got the worse top 5 and hates women

[ornate tartan]

Oden is the most underrated character strength wise by One Piece fans

[tranquil blade]

His top 5 is (unfortunately) true tho

[ornate tartan]

he was on par with Kaido

[tranquil blade]

but it doesnt count himself of course

I wish Moria somehow snuck into his top 5 but I guess he wasnt good enough

[sage temple]

Got debunked real quick huh

[dapper tree]

Well, Harold also just gave up

Amd Shanks amd Gaban were doing damage

[sage temple]

Well, Loki is the one who killed him at the end

[dapper tree]

All while Loki was fighting a squirrel

[lofty fern]

Maybe if they were the same size?
Morning all 🌄

[ornate tartan]

moria arguably isn’t even top 5 strongest warlords😂 idk how he was clashing with kaido back then

if he stayed locked in Moria would be a problem

[dapper tree]

Stop ignoring the manga

[tranquil blade]

Well yeah Harald let Loki kill him, but he did get some good hits on Harald regardless

[sage temple]

Shanks and Gaban acknowledge that what they were doing was futile and say themselves that Loki is their best bet

[warm fossil]

i think this is the current situation

[sage temple]

You're ignoring what Gaban admits about Loki

[dapper tree]

They clearly could still fight him

And they did

[sage temple]

Yet they couldn't end it

But Loki could

[dapper tree]

Their goal wasn't to end it

[lofty fern]

I can't in good faith have Rocks so low

[sage temple]

That was precisely their goal

But they couldn't achieve it

So they just stalled Harald instead

[warm fossil]

brother got one shot lol

[tranquil blade]

I'm amazed you even put Tsuru in here with how bad a hand she was dealt by Oda compared to the other two

[dapper tree]

It was to stall and stop harold long enough for loki to fight a squirrel and get the super duper fruit

[tranquil blade]

If you get offguarded and oneshot it doesnt count

[warm fossil]

kaido got offguarded by prime big mom and still beat her

[sage temple]

Yeah it was to stall Harald long enough for Loki, who can actually kill Harald, to do so

[warm fossil]

no excuses

[tranquil blade]

Yeah but he's a fruit merchant

[warm fossil]

oden is a flashback merchant

would never deliver in the current timeline

[tranquil blade]

What does that even mean 😭

[warm fossil]

loki is also a flashback merchant btw he's never looking as good as in this chpater

[dapper tree]

Yeah, their goal was stalling for Loki

[lofty fern]

Oda and fighting women 😔

[sage temple]

They were trying to end it

But they coudln't

And they accepted that

[warm fossil]

this is 2 years before the start of one piece right

[dapper tree]

Loki then only beat Harold cause he has a super legendary base boost from a df and Harold letting loki kill him

[sage temple]

So they just stalled Harald for Loki to take over and finish the job

[tranquil blade]

Also adood why didnt you put Ryuma in Roger tier we all know he's that strong

[warm fossil]

why does shanks look 15 years younger

[tranquil blade]

[sage temple]

Okay?

[rich hornet]

So it seems Loki slashed through the tattoo and while it was regenerating, that’s when Harald was lucid

[warm fossil]

ryuma is actually the most overrated character ever

[alpine trench]

Because this is 15 years ago

[sage temple]

I never denied this lmao

[versed wigeon]

how did shanks get so chopped in 2 years

[warm fossil]

its 2 years before chapter 1

[alpine trench]

This is the death of Harald

[urban lodge]

It's 14 years

[alpine trench]

It happened 14 years ago

[urban lodge]

Oh

[warm fossil]

i know

[lofty fern]

Indeed, a lot of things came together to give Loki the win

[urban lodge]

Before chapter 1

[sage temple]

Loki haters are really stretching their heads to find something to take away from him

[tranquil blade]

Shanks grew some facial hair between this and 13 years ago

[urban lodge]

Then yeah

It's just Oda's art style changing I guess

[alpine trench]

Me when 2 years later a man has a beard

[sage temple]

Also Loki is the only one in this castle that can actually kill a Holy Knight

Gaban could only send them away with pain

[dapper tree]

Not taking anything away from loki but without shanks and gaban. Loki would have lost

[sage temple]

Yet Loki can end their lives

[sage temple]

I never said this

[fossil nimbus]

Loki is insanely strong icl

[sage temple]

I actually emphasized that Shanks and Gaban offered support

[dapper tree]

I am saying Shanks and Gaban were important in this

[warm fossil]

idk bro looks way older

[sage temple]

Shanks and Gaban were important in stalling Harald 🙄

[dapper tree]

I don't care if they could kill harold or not

They are clearly strong enough to fight him

[warm fossil]

who cares loki vs harald is a fake fight anyway

[sage temple]

Yes, but they can't kill Harald

[warm fossil]

and neither can loki

[sage temple]

So, back to my original point

[dapper tree]

Also true

[heady smelt]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-my-gif-4600576945121607652

Harold

[sage temple]

He literally can

Gaban and Shanks don't have the ability to kill Holy Knights

[warm fossil]

there's probably not a single person in the world aside from imu who could actually kill harald there

[sage temple]

Loki was the only person with the ability to end a HK's life

[warm fossil]

there's a reason he had to let loki end his suffering lol

[lofty fern]

It's hard to tell if Loki can actually kill an HK, since so many things had to work out for him just to be able to do this to Harald, which wouldn't be there for other HK

[sage temple]

Nobody else could actually kill a HK

[warm fossil]

everyone could after the mark stopped working

[tranquil blade]

Well the big thing is Harald standing there begging Loki to kill him

[sage temple]

Not really, the only thing preventing Loki from killing Harald after the DF boost was Harald's ACoC

[warm fossil]

^

[dense haven]

socrates ignoring the entire narrative aspect of the kill in favor in powerscaling

[sage temple]

Well the big thing is nobody is ignoring that

[alpine trench]

Somehow these scans are more cooked than usual

[dense haven]

this is galaxy level glazing

[warm fossil]

if your point is loki is in any way capable of 1v1ing holy knight harald. you're wrong

[alpine trench]

Who cleaned this shit

[tranquil blade]

Now tbf he could probably kill some of the other knights because the other knights are way weaker than Harald

[muted hedge]

wonder if VIZ will have any notable changes

[dapper tree]

Classic Socrates

[warm fossil]

i mean yeah the other ones were bums

[deep chasm]

what things?

[fossil nimbus]

so peak

[dapper tree]

The holy knights are bums

[warm fossil]

but harald was straight up top 1 in the verse aside from imu you gotta imagine

[dapper tree]

And always will be

[tranquil blade]

That panel with Loki holding the fruit in his hand is so funny, you can barely tell what the fruit even looks like

[sage temple]

Not really, Loki is the only one that can end a HK's life

He's the only one that can kill a HK so far

[tranquil blade]

It's like looking at an amoeba

[sage temple]

Gaban could only make them feel pain and send them away

[dense haven]

because thats what this flashback is about lmao

[muted hedge]

feels like Lokis fruit were the Fenrir after all

[sage temple]

Yeah, nobody's denying this

[dense haven]

gaban wasnt trying to kill sommers

[deep chasm]

maybe official translations are necessary, but why did the spoilers leave out them literally saying Harald was getting weakened by them?

[dense haven]

he was trying to get past him and save colon

[sage temple]

Nothing says Gaban could kill Sommers

[warm fossil]

to make us think it was doomed

[urban lodge]

I think nidhoggr is more likely

[deep chasm]

lmao

[warm fossil]

but after all the glazing in the spoilers turns out loki is just a guy

[sage temple]

Gaban said he could make them hurt and send them away

[muted hedge]

Nidhoggr or Fenrir, personally i thought Loki would be Ratatoskr lol

but i guess Ragnir is instead

[prisma yacht]

Leaks were so wrong for this chapter

fk wg

[deep chasm]

I mean theyre mostly right...they just left out this detail for some reason

[sage temple]

You also thought Shanks would be more important in the fight against Harald

[dapper tree]

Gotta somehow hype loki,

[muted hedge]

you're right, i did

[warm fossil]

also left out harald actively letting loki kill him and being off on what harald actually said above the hammer

[sage temple]

On a losing streak recently

[muted hedge]

not really

[sage temple]

Hm ok

[prisma yacht]

they were also wrong about ragnir being ratatoskr and loki being nidhoggr
Wg just added his shit

[craggy vapor]

leakers likely don’t know japanese

[tranquil blade]

Another day of anti-spoiler readers winning

[deep chasm]

well idk seems like what they said about the hammer was right no?

[deep chasm]

wait what

[warm fossil]

its way more vague than they made it seem

like theres a very good chance harald never even tried getting the fruit

[golden valley]

Only when he was young at most

[urban lodge]

There's a reason the word leaker starts with an L

[prisma yacht]

Also that fear loki bs
When clearly harald was standing and holding back

[deep chasm]

I mean yea but theres still that implication. "No one could ever do it....but now with my current strength"

[lofty fern]

For Loki to win, you needed: his df +ragnir+ Harald coming back to his senses giving him that chance and lowering his own defenses+ the mark being damaged for at least a time.
So it does mean there's a lot of caveats to this win. And that does mean that Loki can't just use it at any time.

[royal orchid]

even if you put a w on it, they just get weaker 🔥 ✍️

[craggy vapor]

but Ratatosk is a squirrel. Therefore, Ragnir = Ratatosk

[muted hedge]

Harald let himself be killed for the most part

[tranquil blade]

I mean Harald reasonably wouldnt want to eat the fruit once he comes to his senses, though im sure the hammer not letting previous kings eat the fruit is probably true

[warm fossil]

regardless it all amounts to loki getting downgraded from garp + roger strength to probably like admiral level

[prisma yacht]

For a day and so we actually believed loki was a squirrel