also-manga

[hot cairn]

I think it’s second one

[pulsar timber]

They called me crazy

[dusk horizon]

All I'm saying is screen shot it gang remember it

[sage temple]

But Ussop likely isn't wielding Ragnir in the slightest

[vital heart]

A hammer can live for hundreds of years, a squirrel cannot @rapid ridge

[dusk horizon]

#ragniristhe10thstrawhat

[hot cairn]

and this was before the arc was even teased, damn

[ruby moat]

what about a rly special squirrel

[prisma yacht]

Ancient giants forged it

[rapid ridge]

A squirrel with a hammer fruit fruit blocking all these giant kings in the past sounds implausible

[ocean totem]

Can in this show

[vital heart]

Ok. What fruit would let you turn into a hammer?

[pulsar timber]

I saw the truth while others thought he was gonna be an orochi type of villain

[dense haven]

mjolnir fruit

[rapid ridge]

Might as well be

[proud pivot]

?

[sage temple]

Animals can live for centuries in One Piece, this is not true

[proud pivot]

loki gets one shotted by any yonko

[sage temple]

Biblo has lived for centuries

[ocean totem]

The kind that lets you turn into a hammer

[vital heart]

im crine this is fr a shanks victim 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

[dense haven]

its clearly ratatoskr and mjolnir reference since oda is a huge vikings nerd

[hot cairn]

LOL I remember that, people thinking he’d be a brat like Spandam

[rapid ridge]

What about a flying hammer tho?

[pulsar timber]

Prince of kingdom of warriors being a non warrior

[sage temple]

LMAOOO HE CAN'T EVEN HANDLE HARALD

[ocean totem]

Flying Hammel no mi

[sage temple]

THIS GUY IS A FRAUD

[ocean totem]

Just watch

[rapid ridge]

I'm sold

[dense haven]

shanks will one tap loki next chapter

[rapid ridge]

Also hi bean xoxo

[dense haven]

get ready

[sage temple]

Shanks and Loki aren't even confirmed to fight

Lmao

The way Meek takes things out of context and runs with it is crazy

😂 😂 😂

[hot cairn]

how long do you guys think til the flashback is over now?

[prisma yacht]

our boy

[celest mauve]

the only two giants worth a rat's ass among that entire race

[ruby moat]

what did meek say to stunlock socrates

[cosmic hamlet]

Usopps best feat in elbaf btw

[prisma yacht]

next chapter

[rapid ridge]

2 more chapter, bet me

[cosmic hamlet]

2-3 chapters

[hot cairn]

I miss him

[prisma yacht]

ill remember this and ill come back soon

[fallen meteor]

i know its probably a fuckass wolf/dragon/snake from norse mythos but this panel makes me think of some sort of faun

[cosmic hamlet]

You will get banned by then

[celest mauve]

he's so mid

[dense haven]

marine thats clearly a horse

[hot cairn]

I can’t, cause I think the same

[sage temple]

Yikes Bartsky mad at me for no clear reason yet again

[rapid ridge]

Good thing he still had his helmet on that protected him

[sage temple]

Loki GOAT confirmed

[prisma yacht]

[cosmic hamlet]

[vital heart]

Hajrudin bro. And Oars.

[fallen meteor]

he looks very faun shaped

[ruby moat]

low level toon force 🔥

[celest mauve]

the G2 dressrosa luffy victim and a zombie

[sage temple]

Oars vs Mihawk in being carried by their epithet

[fallen meteor]

lots of faun dick if you search 'faun' on google images damn

[sage temple]

Dude has 0 feats

He's just fat

[prisma yacht]

chapter is named contradictions

wow

[sage temple]

Is "contradictions" symbolizing how Oda stops glazing Shanks?

[fallen meteor]

dude his chest looks so weird, he looks like a barrel
or maybe a big cloud yeah this could be it

[dense haven]

I thought yall hated shanks because hes a mary sue

which is it

[ruby moat]

cloud seems plausible

[hot cairn]

it looks so… feminine

[fallen meteor]

he seems to not have the cloudy collar tho so not awakened

it makes sense since he just ate

[vital heart]

no. the title is referring to loki and harald's final words to each other: "I'll never forgive you" vs "I love you too"

@prisma yacht @sage temple

[cosmic hamlet]

We have already analysed this panel. Refer here

[trim lily]

it all makes sense now

[ruby moat]

lmfao wtf is this

[dense haven]

you can clearly see its a horse rearing up

[fallen meteor]

so a cloud

[proud pivot]

why is goku there

[dense haven]

goku adds authenticity

[cosmic hamlet]

Yeah, the green thing is a cloud

[trim lily]

marin is there any way to rework this into being a cloud logia or is it over

[sage temple]

https://tenor.com/view/hawkeye-marvel-clint-barton-hawkeye-clint-jeremy-renner-gif-25112145

[dense haven]

@trim lily thoughts on the regen counter?

[sage temple]

"Shanks will figure out a way"

Yeah okay

[trim lily]

very cool

[sage temple]

Oh ok

[trim lily]

oda is so back

[fallen meteor]

so Loki is an Ahuizotl? that claw tail

[tiny oracle]

So is the conq coating needed to stop the regen of gods knights like a special conq coating or was Luffy just choosing to lose in Egghead

[sage temple]

Oh this makes sense now

[trim lily]

luffy felt silly i guess

i refuse to believe he did not use acoc once against the gorosei in egghead

you cannot convince me oda

[iron oriole]

His conq wasn't good enough for the Gorosei

[fallen meteor]

they have water powers so it would make sense with how flowy his form looked like (or a cloud logia that could explain it too 🙂 )

[cosmic hamlet]

That is his hand muscle, the shadow is on the ground, not on the wall

[fallen meteor]

oh thats lame

[tiny oracle]

My favourite part of one piece is how despite being a super simple power system like extremely simple it’s still impossible to tell what’s happening because of the lack of visual consistency

Í think it’s super cool

[dense haven]

goda

[sage temple]

https://tenor.com/view/jurassic-park-being-right-jeff-goldblum-raining-hate-gif-16484582

[tiny oracle]

That we still don’t know what Luffy was and wasn’t using on Egghead

Talk about a true goat manga

[dense haven]

goda fr

[trim lily]

its easier to assume he used acoc

cause the alternative is stupid

[sage temple]

Oh interesting

[tiny oracle]

Í always assumed he was using it yeah

Because fucking why would he not

[sage temple]

Thanks for the analysis Cygneto

[tiny oracle]

Everyone’s life is on the line and he can use it and it’s strong

[fallen meteor]

him having like four arms or a third arm was cooler

[tiny oracle]

But if conq coating is the counter to regen then what are we doing

Í still like Elbaf but man

Abysmal dog water power system

Good chapter still

[fallen meteor]

i mean it makes sense that it would be conq but oda made some crazy dumb hints that it would not be just cocting

[trim lily]

there really has to be another way

oda cannot be this shortsighted

[sage temple]

Shanks realizing Oda won't glaze him this time

[tiny oracle]

Chopper went out of his way to find the counter

[celest mauve]

I mean why did zoro take so long with lucci even though he seemed to have no trouble finishing him off in one move when sanji called him a burden? plot-induced stupidity imo

[fallen meteor]

Jinbei is about to have a breaktrough

[trim lily]

chopper will give everyone the acoc drug

[tiny oracle]

And the way is just Luffy fucking use your shit bro we are all going to die

Why are you not using your shit brother

[thin quest]

I was really hoping it wouldn't be another Zoan fruit but here we are

[cosmic hamlet]

Yesterday i drew the missing original loki body based on shadow, the cloud extends to him

[celest mauve]

oda forgot paramecias and logias exist, damn

[fallen meteor]

...the clouds????

[celest mauve]

still no logia awakening in sight after 1100+ chapters

[tiny oracle]

As long as it’s a zoan with an ability beyond just boosted physicals and a beam attack

Then I’m fine with it

[trim lily]

beam AND lightning attack

[cosmic hamlet]

You don't see the clouds?? 😭😭

Look at the green markings from the analysis picture

[fallen meteor]

it looked very much like a big strenght boost

[tiny oracle]

Yeah

[trim lily]

the problem is why would loki immediately be awakened

[hot cairn]

I don’t know why you guys hate mythical zoans so much, they’re cool

[fallen meteor]

like he was bouncing harald around

[tiny oracle]

It looked like that

[trim lily]

what happened to it taking a lot of effort with a high risk

[grand flower]

Ended up just like Rocks

[brittle path]

guys

where can i read the colored manga

[cosmic hamlet]

We power creeped

[trim lily]

idk weebcentral or some other common pirating site

[cosmic hamlet]

#wiki

[tiny oracle]

Maybe his fruit is a paramecia with the ability where he can touch himself to transform into an animal or a hybrid sort of thing

What a twist!

[fallen meteor]

woah he can do what

[grand flower]

it's over

loki is a oan

[tiny oracle]

Gang you know what Í meant

[trim lily]

a fruit where loki can touch himself

[grand flower]

zoan

[prisma yacht]

rip harald

[trim lily]

he better be dead

don’t pull a rocks

[sage temple]

First person to kill a Holy Knight so far

Crazy

[celest mauve]

only two individuals in the history of elbaf who are/were actually fearsome in strength (as far as we've seen) and one is dead, damn shame

[tiny oracle]

Yk what kills me abt this flashback is that Loki really told harudjin abt god valley for no reason that shit was mega unnecessary as to why he killed Harald

[sage temple]

Loki needs to have kids bro

[cosmic hamlet]

Such a dumb character

Half of his dumbness is carried to hajrudin

[sage temple]

If Loki doesn't have kids Elbaph is genuinely done for

[tiny oracle]

Harudjin must be so confused

[prisma yacht]

its so peak

[tiny oracle]

This was a good moment

[trim lily]

hajrudin will get his justice don’t worry

[celest mauve]

realistically only this part about harald's death was narrated by loki, everything else was for our benefit as the reader even though loki almost certainly didn't discuss any of it

[tiny oracle]

Probably

[sage temple]

Harald understands how Loki's cruel words mean something completely different like Mosa did

[wraith mantle]

bro was an UPS delivery man, now a ticket clerk

[tiny oracle]

It’s really funny to imagine it though

[prisma yacht]

they can never make me hate you harald

[tiny oracle]

“You have 3 minutes to explain why you killed our father”

“So, 40 years ago, there was this BADDIE-“

[celest mauve]

yeah, imu destroying elbaf and loki's still droning on about how xebec took part in davy back fights or whatever

[iron oriole]

So is Ragnir a hammer with a Ratatoskr zoan or a Squirrel with a Hammer fruit

[cosmic hamlet]

How do you know? You are talking like you translated it.

You just proof read it

[fallen meteor]

if Loki has the NIdhogg df it makes sens it to be the Ratatoskr since theres lore connections here

[tiny oracle]

So

[vital heart]

I did translate that lmao. Our original title was "Reversed" which makes no sense

[tiny oracle]

Nidhogg is a dragon right

[trim lily]

yeah it seems likeliest right now

[vital heart]

Reverse is a straight up translation error

[tiny oracle]

There’s two dragon fruits?

[fallen meteor]

besides the cloud logia

[trim lily]

it’s a dragon that apparently has lightning in the one piece mythos

[tiny oracle]

And not one dragon fruit eaten by the character named dragon

[cosmic hamlet]

I was teasing you. So much contrast in translations. Spoilers mentioned it as opposites

[tiny oracle]

What was Oda cooking

[fallen meteor]

i mean all the dinos on wano were dragons

[prisma yacht]

pretty boy

[trim lily]

it feels weird seeing so much young shanks

[tiny oracle]

He does look really weird yeah

[iron oriole]

Thats a japanese thing though as to why

[tiny oracle]

Anyways Í feel like

Á dinosaur

Is a dinosaur

Am Í wrong?

[hot cairn]

what a great panel

[prisma yacht]

contradictions is so much better

[sage temple]

Wow then Loki will have to teach Luffy and friends how exactly to kill the HKs

Can't wait

[vital heart]

A dinosaur in japanese is kyoryu 恐竜 the second kanji is ryu 竜 which is dragon

[fallen meteor]

since kaido was the Azure Dragon oda can do any other dragon

[vital heart]

@tiny oracle

[fallen meteor]

Kaido was a specific one

[tiny oracle]

Aha

[cosmic hamlet]

Gaban will sleep, just like in the castle

[tiny oracle]

Í see

[iron oriole]

More fish fish fruits

[sage temple]

Gaban can't even kill them though

[trim lily]

i guess nidhogg would be like lizard model

[sage temple]

He just makes them feel pain

[tiny oracle]

You know it just occurred to me

[sage temple]

So Loki is the only one it seems

[fallen meteor]

Nidhogg is like a snake too

[prisma idol]

Hey we actually see loki cry this chapter

[fallen meteor]

a serpent/dragon

[cosmic hamlet]

Its the same, beat them until they run out of stamina to use regen

[trim lily]

he can only put on his stoic act for so long

[tiny oracle]

Kaido was ridiculous for giving King the pterosaur fruit.

Like he can already fly naturally and you’re giving him the fruit which has the sole ability of allowing you to fly plus shoot your head like a laser beam

[prisma idol]

Well again

[tiny oracle]

King didn’t even use his hybrid fr

[trim lily]

good

[dense haven]

loki is doubly carried by df

[sage temple]

Regen isn't a stamina thing

[sage temple]

So is Luffy

Who cares

[dense haven]

truly the giga mervhant

[celest mauve]

man please don't tell me garling or shamrock were among the HKs that tried taking shanks back, otherwise it's so over for those bums

[cosmic hamlet]

Did he smile at any point?

[dense haven]

luffy only has a single df

[cosmic hamlet]

It literally is

[trim lily]

i’m a bit annoyed at the reveal that the knights continued to try and take back shanks

but oh well, i guess oda hates them

[iron oriole]

Sommers at least confirmed a no conq loser

[sage temple]

No, it's passive, where does it say it's a stamina thing

Harald can't even stop it

[celest mauve]

expected

[tiny oracle]

ATP I’m fine with it if they’re bums they’re bums

[prisma idol]

Now we wait for two scenes in the modern day. Loki removing his eye covers (could happen) and his df full reveal

[tiny oracle]

Í thought they were supposed to be strong

[sage temple]

Regeneration is a passive power they have it no matter what

[iron oriole]

And deserved

[sage temple]

Loki was the first to actually kill a HK

[trim lily]

oda saving the df reveal for loki’s big moment

[vital heart]

They are. You can tell the guy on the left is Garling by the silhouette shape

[tiny oracle]

Sommers is still my favourite though he’s reallly funny

[sage temple]

True I expect a full page spread

[prisma idol]

Nah think of it this way, they kept fighting the roger pirates so they kept getting stronger after multiple fights

[prisma yacht]

great chapter

[trim lily]

ohhh of course

[celest mauve]

none of them look like garling

[thin quest]

So Loki is gonna send back Imu and the other Holy Knights by himself for sure

[vital heart]

???

[trim lily]

though i’m mainly annoyed for narrative reasons lol

[sage temple]

The one on the left is almost definitely Sommers

[cosmic hamlet]

They can't use regen forever, everytime they use it, it eats the stamina away.

[tiny oracle]

And Garling has a very specific sillouette

[celest mauve]

he has a very distinctive crescent-shaped hairstyle, I don't see it there

[vital heart]

how would shamrock take shanks back? this all happened when shanks was a kid meaning shamrock was a kid too lol

[vital heart]

True

[grand flower]

Loki wasn’t talking about that

[vital heart]

You right

[prisma idol]

Well its neither tbh

[tiny oracle]

Yeah lol

[prisma idol]

Thats some unnamed knight

[celest mauve]

idk, he could've been the intern shadowing them or something lol

[sage temple]

I mean now it's just my headcanon against yours. And the fact that they can't even stop regen makes it pretty likely that it's a passive power

[iron oriole]

Why would they be like "he looks like our captains son" if Garling/Shamrock was right there

[trim lily]

did shanks just gaslight the knights into thinking the roger pirates held him hostage

[tiny oracle]

Maybe not but it’s really funny to imagine

[prisma idol]

All I know is maffey is still alive

[dense haven]

its clearly not garling there or else he would address shanks and the roger pirates directly

[trim lily]

i missed her distinctive head bump

[iron oriole]

Yeah the dialogue would be different

[sage temple]

How so

[prisma idol]

My gut told me so

[somber flare]

unfortunately

[sage temple]

https://tenor.com/view/drake-computer-notebook-explaning-gif-21152267

Shoulda said that earlier Bluko 🤦‍♂️

[prisma idol]

Sorry I know

[grand flower]

@stone terrace this nigga Garling not even in the chapter and STILL gettin downscaled

[somber flare]

she's a Morley victim

[cosmic hamlet]

I'm not contradicting passive thing.

If harald head is blown away then he has to use some stamina to regen his head.

Here, they explained it saying he can't heal his body with regen as his stamina is running out and not keeping up with the injuries

[grand flower]

This is generational bumitude

I never seen a piece of trash like Garling in my life

MAYBE Yamcha in TFS

[stone terrace]

or gaban has never fought garling

[prisma idol]

Anyways time to actually read these past 2 chapters

[grand flower]

And that’s a parody

[hot cairn]

what if Garling wasnt there, the holy knights were talking about him like if he wasn’t present

[wraith mantle]

what a beautiful chapter

[celest mauve]

damn

[vapid flower]

[stone terrace]

the obsession with garling is great

[grand flower]

This nigga garlin fuckin sucks lmao

[somber flare]

ever single Gargling has joined the Gorosei he's been infected with the same bum fraud virus as the rest of them

[stone terrace]

keep his name in your mouth

[wraith mantle]

that thing about ida almost brought me to tears bruh

[hot cairn]

that hit

[celest mauve]

harald has been quite the character to follow, what an end for him man

[trim lily]

harald had a mostly good story

[grand flower]

What?

[celest mauve]

that made me feel something 🥲

[wraith mantle]

oda outdoing himself even after 1169 chapters

[grand flower]

Died just like rocks

[wraith mantle]

what a story teller

[grand flower]

The irony

[honest garden]

Yeah best part of the flashback. Puts it on par with other strawhat flashbacks (Loki4SH)

[trim lily]

ragnir for strawhat

[somber flare]

Loki is too cool

[wraith mantle]

fr, he even has a silly side kick in the squirrel hammer

[celest mauve]

one is almost forgotten and the other is revered

[wraith mantle]

loki 4 SH

[celest mauve]

I like the contrast

[somber flare]

He's high on the major side characters tier list

[celest mauve]

even with similar death circumstances

[cosmic hamlet]

People who want to seperate loki and ragnir are lame.

They just trying to seperate 2 friends just to support their own agenda

[wraith mantle]

so we still dunno what his fruit is

[vital heart]

LOKI IS GOING TO BE CO-KING WITH HAJRUDIN.

[grand flower]

Garling should kill him self

[wraith mantle]

probably a mythical zoan

[trim lily]

yeah

[celest mauve]

it's like trying to separate nami and zeus, there's zero point to it because they go hand-in-hand

[honest garden]

Well, we don't know how much they'll interact

[honest garden]

This is most likely imo

[sage temple]

Gaban doesn't say his stamina is running out, he's saying his regeneration isn't fast enough to keep up with rapid attacks. His regeneration isn't stopping, it's just too slow for the attacks being inflicted on him. And this is not a result of Harald's own stamina but the regeneration speed of the Abyss powers granted to him

[trim lily]

hajrudin and loki become dual monarchs and co-captains of the new giant pirates

[honest garden]

Nami exists and is prominent beyond Zeus. Most Nami moments don't include Zeus. Or are we talking about powerscaling?

[trim lily]

they represent the old and the new of harald

[wraith mantle]

bro god knights have been handed so many Ls this flashback

[grand flower]

Celestial dragons suck bruh

[celest mauve]

the only thing that can save garling from this downscale is if he was never a part of those shanks retrieval squads

[grand flower]

I love it

[tough dust]

like loki's fighting style is always been with a hammer and people wanna take that away for ...

( no disrespect but usopp ???)

[celest mauve]

powerscaling lol

[grand flower]

Remember “five Kaido’s”

[vital heart]

Giants come in two:

Jarul and Jorul

Oimo and Kashi

Dorry and Brogy

Ida and Estrid

Loki and Hajrudin now.

Future: Colon and Ronja?

Harald lost because he was the only giant by himself. The Lone Giant.

[grand flower]

LMAOOOO

[wraith mantle]

even the elites of that population is ass 😭

[sage temple]

16 year old Loki without Ragnir or the DF could kill that Garling lmao

[vital heart]

@honest garden @trim lily @grand flower

[cosmic hamlet]

He said its inflicting pain. Yes i agree he didn't mention stamina directly but he did say we can corner him by continuously doing it which is tied to running out of energy to regen

[grand flower]

Good analysis.

[trim lily]

lol colon and ronja

[wraith mantle]

bro

loki is stroooong

[prisma yacht]

Ida and estrid 😭

[celest mauve]

I'm genuinely amazed people can look at a true king like loki and then a bum like usopp and then think the latter should get the former's hammer

[somber flare]

All of this is a prime Oars upscale

[wraith mantle]

i wonder what the deal with the hammer is, is it some mythical squirrel

[trim lily]

oars w

[vital heart]

lmao

[grand flower]

After people said the elders would body tje SHs I love it

[wraith mantle]

or maybe the hammer has multiple DFs

[tiny oracle]

Ratatoskr right

Probably

[grand flower]

Kizaru>Elders csuse CDs suck

[trim lily]

it would be funny if ragnir is just a normal squirrel zoan not a mythical ratatoskr

[tough dust]

its comedy and i actually don't mind usopp

[vital heart]

agree

[tough igloo]

love that my Seraphims>Holy Knights take is becoming more & more true as each chapter passes by

[grand flower]

Just fuck an arc huh lol

[vital heart]

SERAPHIM > HOLY KNIGHTS

[wraith mantle]

i love the paneling

[tiny oracle]

Loki beat the squirrel up to be worthy

[vital heart]

i agree

[tiny oracle]

Usopp will just chat w it

[wraith mantle]

was kinda hard to read at first

[tiny oracle]

Be a chill guy

With a little bit of motion

Little swag

[vital heart]

lowkey is it just me or does 2 armed shanks look AI-generated?

[somber flare]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-speed-laugh-speed-laughing-ishowspeed-laugh-speed-trying-not-to-laugh-gif-14327938280772974777

[honest garden]

Just fucking show us Oda bro

[cosmic hamlet]

I don't mind it being mythical, it just shouldn't be ratatoskr.

I want to see worstgenhq see it and die of embarrassment for including his theories in spoilers and manipulating the comminity

[trim lily]

silhouette piece

[dense haven]

mushy its a horse

[signal fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/creepyhorseman-creepy-horse-pony-gif-19918454

[vital heart]

#also-manga message

[tiny oracle]

Oh it’s sleipnir

He’s gon have 6 arms

[somber flare]

Oda's just being an asshole for no reason

[tiny oracle]

Thatd be peak

[trim lily]

we already got a sleipnir reference

[wraith mantle]

this looks horrifying

[trim lily]

unless oda just runs it back

[tiny oracle]

Oda can redo

[sage temple]

Him getting cornered by doing it continuously doesn't mean he runs out of regen and it also doesn't mean he's going to die. "energy" isn't mentioned in relation with regen as well. Saying he'll run out of energy to regenerate is headcanon since this regeneration stuff has never been said to be a thing the knights themselves initiate or do manually

[dense haven]

https://tenor.com/view/horse-you-have-alerted-the-horse-alert-alert-horse-horse-alert-gif-10675569724654458517

[ruby moat]

weaint seeing this shit unsilhouetted til he uses it in present day bruh

[grand flower]

I wonder if Loki is all black like Imu

[hot cairn]

I think it is a normal squirrel zoan

[tiny oracle]

He did the kilo kilo and the ton ton

Itd be okay for him to redo

[stone terrace]

Classic oda blueball

[vital heart]

looks like a silhouette

WAIT

[sage temple]

😭

[grand flower]

Maybe he has a Baphomet Zoan

[vital heart]

IS THE HAMMER ACTUALLY A CHIPMUNK??

NOT A SQUIRREL.

[vital heart]

Chipmunk = Usopp

[wraith mantle]

this looks like a blob with eyes

[signal fiber]

🐿️ + 🐎

[grand flower]

It’s not singing

[trim lily]

that’d be huge

[tiny oracle]

What would this change

[vital heart]

A lot

If its a chipmunk

That means

That

[tiny oracle]

It can sing

[wraith mantle]

what diff does that make

[vital heart]

Yes

[wraith mantle]

its same shit

[signal fiber]

Softer

[vital heart]

Chipmunks > Squirrels

[cosmic hamlet]

I believe it is related. We can simply agree to disagree. We both don't have much to work with. Need more info

[sage temple]

?

[tiny oracle]

It can fit more nuts in it’s mouth

[trim lily]

squirrels clear unfortunately

[tiny oracle]

Ragnar ultimate meat eater

[dense haven]

https://tenor.com/view/average-squirrel-girl-player-in-gif-11261972701203586036

[tiny oracle]

Chipmunks got crazy vocals

[prisma yacht]

Wtf

[wraith mantle]

this nigga too silly

[hot cairn]

blue balling as always LOL

[honest garden]

I'm sure the person gets tired after being killed multiple times over, but I think the regen is infinite (other than ACoC obv)

[signal fiber]

So who wins Garp+Roger or Chipmunk

[stone terrace]

That squirrel is top 20

[vital heart]

Could that be a beaver, lowkey?

Look at the teeth.

It's giving... BEAVER.

[wraith mantle]

on god, bro is base harald level

[vital heart]

HOLY SHIT

[cosmic hamlet]

It definitely is not, it can ran out. Thats how rocks got defeated

[vital heart]

RAGNIR IS BASE HARALD LEVEL

[ruby moat]

I think it might be a chipmunk tbh look at the tail

[vital heart]

WHAT

[tiny oracle]

What other Harald is there

[vital heart]

This is a beaver my guy

[trim lily]

harald (evil mode)

[vital heart]

Ragnir = Base Harald level

[lofty fern]

Get back to a chapter! Yay! Though I think there's some off lines this chapter 🤔

[vital heart]

WOW

[ruby moat]

That is not a beaver bruh

[vital heart]

Nope.

[red kindle]

most traumatic childhood award goes to Loki

[ruby moat]

Beavers have those leathery flat tails

[wraith mantle]

yeah

[lofty fern]

Yep

[vital heart]

Noe

[dense haven]

meek have you ever seen a beaver in your life (both meanings)

[vital heart]

Nope

[sage temple]

Yeah so it's just headcanon against headcanon. Loki is the only one confirmed to be able to actually kill a HK. Gaban never says he could kill them meaning that whole thing is inconclusive

[wraith mantle]

because ragnir stopped previous kings from eating the DF\

[ruby moat]

That’s a chipmunk or squirrel

[tiny oracle]

No way that’s the most traumatic childhood

[vital heart]

Whats the second meaning

Can Kaido beat Ragnir? Genuinely

[ruby moat]

Vagina

[tiny oracle]

He probably doesn’t even remember the worst parts

[trim lily]

no

[vital heart]

WOW

[red kindle]

mother getting poisioned and forced to kill your own father

[cosmic hamlet]

Yes, we need more information to solidify anything

[trim lily]

greenbull > ragnir > kaido

[signal fiber]

No

[vital heart]

Ragnir > Kaido > G5 Luffy

@sage temple

[lofty fern]

That line about Hajrudin was not simply about getting along, its about the two of them ruling together. Not sure why you worded it that way?

[red kindle]

and getting exiled out of the kingdom for ssaving it

[stone terrace]

Oda went insane on loki glaze

[wraith mantle]

and then getting exiled, and then getting one shot by shanks

bro, shanks beating loki + ragnir

[tiny oracle]

Zoro sadder sorry not sorry

[somber flare]

Shanks top 1 LETS GOOOO

[ruby moat]

Zoros TRUE backstory is the most tragic in the series

[honest garden]

Don't you think Garp and Roger were using ACoC?

[signal fiber]

Squirrel victim

[red kindle]

shanks stonk tothe moon

[tiny oracle]

Fact

[tiny oracle]

*chipmunk

[vital heart]

there is nothing about them ruling together in the jp, its says that loki has the capability to impressively lead elbaf and that he should get along with his brother. I didnt think that those sentences were meant to be joined together

[ruby moat]

(Zoro killed kuina)

[tiny oracle]

As proven

[signal fiber]

Both low diff

[sage temple]

Ok

[wraith mantle]

idk how, but oda actually made me care about jarul somehow

[lofty fern]

Also, Shanks' line is off too. He wasn't saying his current life gives him chills, though maybe that's just bad wording

[tiny oracle]

Jarul rules

[red kindle]

lol, cute gf getting killed and unable to move past that is traumatic ? ok bro

[sage temple]

Loki > Ragnir > Kaido > G5 Luffy

[dense haven]

jarule

[ruby moat]

I said his true backstory not the one we know so far

[wraith mantle]

yeah that panel gave me a headache

waiting for viz

[lofty fern]

Everyone but you Meek...fine I'll wait for viz

[ruby moat]

Well, not the one YOU guys know.

[cosmic hamlet]

I get what you mean now, you need ACoC to make the regen ran out. If not it won't ran out.

I still feel we need more information, its all out of place right now

[red kindle]

we can only rank from the info we know. We are not oracles here bro

[ruby moat]

Maybe you aren’t…

[restive scroll]

So is this flashback building up to someone we care about being controlled by the Imu and the straw hats will have to take care of them?

[tiny oracle]

The truth is Zoro can never be the worlds strongest swordsman because ashura means it isn’t pure swordsmanship anymore or whatever the rules are

[somber flare]

Sommers is dead this arc 100%

[tiny oracle]

He got three fouls

[wraith mantle]

this flashback had so many great characters, even shakky was great in her own way

[tiny oracle]

That’s tragic

[signal fiber]

Nah too lovable

[vital heart]

First sentence is literally read out as: If its you, you are capable of leading Elbaf impressively.

Second phrase is: With your brother, the two of you... get along well..

[vital heart]

no that i agree with , I told feeso how it shouldve been worded but he thinks the current wording conveys it fine

[dense haven]

harald at least recognizes hes a shitty ass leader

[stone terrace]

🐍

[dense haven]

so I give him that

[cosmic hamlet]

You will make robin sad

[wraith mantle]

shanks jelly oda is glazing someone else

[sage temple]

Harald doesn't say they should "rule" together

[thin quest]

delete this

[sage temple]

That's false lmao

[cosmic hamlet]

[sage temple]

Harald has never said they should rule together

[red kindle]

what exactly is Ragnir's power ?

[cosmic hamlet]

Not in the castle but he did say before

[tiny oracle]

Flying hammer

[dense haven]

squirle

[lofty fern]

However, I think the implication is there. Every other translations seems to switch it around, but this version makes Hajrudin seem like an afterthought...again
It was such a sweet moment and then...sigh...

[fallen meteor]

nut

[tiny oracle]

Why can it fly

Oooh

[red kindle]

looks like Temu version of Enel's fruit

[dense haven]

flying squirrel

[tiny oracle]

It’s a flying squirrel

Like in ice age 3

[thin quest]

LunaPien is the only translator I trust

[dense haven]

https://tenor.com/view/squirrel-blanket-pokemon-leap-jump-jumping-gif-19203529

[tiny oracle]

It’s the hot squirrel from ice age 3

[dense haven]

https://tenor.com/view/sugar-glider-gif-11169799929558307886

[sage temple]

No, he has never said that

Show me a panel of Harald saying they should rule Elbaph together

He only said they should "support" Elbaph together

Loki does not have to be a king or co- anything with Hajrudin

[somber flare]

https://tenor.com/view/marvel-marvel-rivals-squirrel-girl-gif-14693031576583321482

[sage temple]

That's just your way of interpreting what Harald said

[red kindle]

oda is dissapointing sometimes... with these shitty ass plot armors.

gaints could not kill a squirrel 😕

[somber flare]

eat nuts and kick butts

[white scarab]

Is Loki's fruit nidhogg? Or could it be something else like Fenrir?

[lofty fern]

We'll have to wait for Viz I guess. I'll just keep my French translation until then

[thin quest]

Viz translation is garbage too

LunaPien or nothing

[ruby moat]

EVERYTHING SUCKS

[stone terrace]

Initial hints had people thinking loki had a squirrel df

That was so much more peak

[lofty fern]

It's not garbage, it's pretty good

[thin quest]

Viz completely misses most word play and nuance

[ruby moat]

That shit was so fun the “rat vs squirrel” showdown

[cunning narwhal]

we dont know for sure and we wont for a while 😭 oda's the only guy who could milk 1 reveal twice

[wraith mantle]

clearly its some kind of wolf DF

[dense haven]

its clearly a horse yall are fucking blind

[red kindle]

any memes that I can see ?

[lofty fern]

Considering this, that's not simply a viz thing

[ruby moat]

I don’t have any memes of it sadly

[sage temple]

People were so quick to make that seem like a debuff

[lofty fern]

Also not everything would translate well

[sage temple]

I liked that fruit but people were dickriding so that outweighed it

Made me hate it

[prisma yacht]

I don't have a meme but I have this one funny msg

[tiny oracle]

In Norse mythology there was s wolf that ate the sun right

[dense haven]

it should've been the gomu gomu tho

[tiny oracle]

Maybe that’s what Loki ate

[honest garden]

It could still be gomu gomu.....

[tiny oracle]

Feels fitting somehow

[honest garden]

He could be stretching....

[cunning narwhal]

same bro i was ready for him to be an op squirrel

[sage temple]

Anyways can't wait for Loki to get awakened

[sage temple]

Same that was so peak

[red kindle]

hahhah

[sage temple]

hahaha

[prisma yacht]

[white scarab]

Fenrir

[prisma yacht]

You hated this shit bro

[dense haven]

its not fenrir

[vital heart]

Ragnir = Chipmunk

Lol

[sage temple]

Loki is competing with Zoro of the biggest chest

[sage temple]

Not really you just kept spamming and baiting

[red kindle]

Is it like the squirrel in God of War Ragnarok ?

The one that maintains Yaggdrasil or some shit like that ?

[sage temple]

You lowkey just made me dislike it

[white scarab]

Fenrir plays a key role during the events of Ragnarök, where he is foretold to assist in setting the world aflame, resulting in the collapse of humanity and society, and killing the god Odin.

[prisma yacht]

[sage temple]

Idk why I'm still talking to you I forgot what I said silly me

[stone terrace]

Fenrir is the basic bitch option

We can do better

[prisma yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-kaku-giraffe-awesome-enies-lobby-gif-11698664237573506482

[white scarab]

What else is there?

[red kindle]

why does Imu want it so bad ?

[sage temple]

Shanks fan betrayed by Oda

Hilarious bro

[white scarab]

Nidhogg would just be another dragon

[prisma yacht]

I'll always remember your kaku era socrates

[white scarab]

Its gotta be something with claws

[lofty fern]

It's Garmr, not as well known as Fenrir, but pivotal to Ragnarok, the guardian of the underworld and fits Loki much better

[red kindle]

squirrels have claws

[sage temple]

I'm glad Shanks didn't get that focus Shanks fans were starving for

[blazing depot]

You aight lil critta

[sage temple]

Had them thinking Shanks would singlehandedly kill Harald

[signal fiber]

I thought he looked really good, as a not Shanks fan

[white scarab]

I love Rathammer

[sage temple]

I mean this guy

[cosmic hamlet]

My bad then, someone fooled me before saying he did

[blazing depot]

https://tenor.com/view/squirrel-huh-what-up-dog-gif-18781858

[signal fiber]

Oh yah no, Bellamy solos

[sage temple]

It's fine, lots of people want Loki to be glued to Hajrudin

[tough igloo]

Loki is the Broly of One Piece

[stone terrace]

Leeching off loki is crazy

Do your own thing

Be yourself

[sage temple]

Specifically Heart Pirate Queen but this is just because she wants to disagree with any pro-Loki thing I say

[sage temple]

Good comparison ngl

[red kindle]

most traumatic childhood checks out for both

[lofty fern]

He said it this chapter it just depends on the translation. He says it in the arabic and the french, Meek says it might be implied by the wording doesn't make it as clear here. So I'll see what the official does with it

[sacred grotto]

so basically loki dodged the hammer which caused ragnir to accidentally hit himself and loki was deemed worthy?

[sage temple]

Anyone can say anything depending on the translation

[cunning narwhal]

did you skip a couple pages 😭

[stone terrace]

I think the part where loki smashed him with conquerors haki did it ngl

[bitter yarrow]

Anyone got a non Imgur link to the chapter for the poor UK plebs

[sage temple]

Yeah

[cunning narwhal]

https://cubari.moe/read/imgur/NxTUytv/1/14/

[sage temple]

Also it's pretty interesting

Harald wasn't able to beat Ragnir back then

[sacred grotto]

no im just confused :(

[sage temple]

Does this mean Ragnir > Harald?

And Ragnir > Rocks?

[red kindle]

are you telling me only Looki had CoC among all the generations in Elbaf ? Come on bro.

[prisma yacht]

No why

[cunning narwhal]

nah its ok bro

[bitter yarrow]

Thank you but this is Imgur 🙃

[stone terrace]

Him and his dad

[prisma yacht]

Loki one shots ragnir
He was just confused before

[somber flare]

Harald is either a bum or didn't even try if it was that easy to beat ragnir

[soft tangle]

https://tcbonepiecechapters.com/chapters/7929/one-piece-chapter-1170

[stone terrace]

I saw someone say harald only tried when he was younger

[bitter yarrow]

Legend

[stone terrace]

And that checks out ngl

[sage temple]

https://tenor.com/view/plaqueboymax-pbm-side-eye-d6nz-stare-gif-1176261859405023783

[red kindle]

that's a hard sell. But possible, very tiny possibility

[lofty fern]

By that logic I think Harald and others could have done it, but Harald never wanted it

[prisma yacht]

^

[stone terrace]

Harald probably wasnt as strong as loki when he was younger

[sage temple]

Yeah but Harald said he couldn't beat Ragnir with his previous strength

[stone terrace]

And he hasnt tried since he met ida

[prisma yacht]

that's his evil saying

[sage temple]

This might bean Harald before the Imu buff was weaker than Ragnir

[lofty fern]

I think even today, he could do it, he just didn't need to

[sage temple]

His evil self doesn't really lie about factual things

[tough dust]

i do think the way ragnir gave loki the fruit right away after bonk is hella rushed

[red kindle]

We have evidence to show that traumatic child hood gives them kids CoC.

Examples:

• Luffy
• Ace
• Doflamingo
• Shanks

[sage temple]

So I don't know what you're getting at

[tough dust]

probably my biggest issue with the chapter

[prisma yacht]

but it has a certain perspective

[sage temple]

Yeah but it doesn't really lie about factual things

[prisma yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/indeed-oui-gif-27699370

[red kindle]

I agree. Felt like plot is forcing ODA to rush things

[prisma yacht]

So it could be just as Icon said

[stone terrace]

The choreography was def rushed

[cunning narwhal]

the whole loki vs harald fight was just a bunch of panels put together jarringly

[somber flare]

it has to be more than just strength if it was that easy for Loki to be deemed worthy. Either that or Loki is like absurdly stronger than anyone else in the series.

[cosmic hamlet]

Ohhh, we gonna have to wait for 8 days for official

[sage temple]

I think each panel just skipped over a lot of time

[somber flare]

teenage Loki

[sage temple]

Probably not really rushed

[lofty fern]

I don't think that was stated, but I could see it. Then again it doesn't really seem to take much with Ragnir which makes it a bit disappointing to me. Harald had haki that rivaled Rocks' and he could fight very well. I also think other kings probably could too. It just feels like oda kinda rushed that part a bit that all Loki did was hit it really hard with a coc hit. In that case there are several in the OP world that are "worthy" lol

[ruby moat]

lol

[sage temple]

True I think we'll get a lot more of it in the anime

[somber flare]

or Oda just gives 0 fucks and does what he wants

[blazing depot]

I assumed it was first person POV from Loki

[red kindle]

well Loki sstrong. The kid basically climbed from realm of dead back literally minutes after he was born

[sage temple]

[tough dust]

because its

[blazing depot]

It’s what

[sage temple]

Idk that doesn't really go with what Harald said

[wet condor]

I think the "trial" or whatever could've been longer. But I don't know if Oda knew what to do for something like that or cared all that much

[sage temple]

Looks like Loki is just that strong

[ruby moat]

what sound effect is this

[somber flare]

Alright give Loki to Imu he can take him

[red kindle]

n00b q: Does this fruit come with the hammer ?

[cosmic hamlet]

Meek added them mistakenly

[grand rain]

flashback over then ? ? ?

i hope

[cosmic hamlet]

2-3 chapters more

[proud pivot]

we see what happend after then it ends

[somber flare]

1 more

[proud pivot]

1-2 chaps

[somber flare]

last page of next chapter will be in the present

[blazing depot]

Loki torture next chapter

Everyone will HATE HIM

[prisma yacht]

yes

[sage temple]

Shlewp

[blazing depot]

BOOOO LOKI YOU KILLED HARALD YOU BASTARD

LOCK HIM UP

[wet condor]

He had the idea of only a certain person could wield that weapon and eat that fruit. That's namely what he cared about, and he didn't care about it being particularly intricate and rooting it in some sort of philosophy of greater meaning. I think Loki hitting Ragnir with his Conq is basically what it amounted to. With that, he got the idea of a rite of passage that he wanted even if it's not super involved

[blazing depot]

Then he goes to the sea for adventures

Fails to get with Lola

Then Shanks arrests him

[lofty fern]

Possible, he did seem to just want to be done with it from his jump fest message. Oda just seemed to cut it off short, it didn't seem like Loki didn't anything all that special. It's not like Thor where he has to prove that he's worthy.

[blazing depot]

Storytime OVER

[stone terrace]

Shanks is a rat

And gaban too

[sage temple]

https://tenor.com/view/300-spears-shield-sword-gif-13738007

I will be defending him

[stone terrace]

They are on fraud watch

[cosmic hamlet]

Then we will get glimpses of what he did when he was a pirate for 8 years. His proposal to lola and then loki vs shanks.

We will also get some outside updates on what happened during these timelines.

Similar to kuma at the end

[lofty fern]

I'll give it 1-2 more. This feels like when Rocks was killed and we still got more

[wet condor]

Oda could've grounded it some Viking lore and rites of passage

[blazing depot]

I want random pirates talking about Loki like he’s King Von

[sage temple]

Loki fighting Shanks isn't confirmed so we might just see something else

[sage temple]

[wet condor]

Why are they on fraudwatch?

[blazing depot]

https://tenor.com/view/demon-king-von-he-was-a-serial-killer-gif-8001989261740272102

[stone terrace]

They got beat up and saved by loki

[wet condor]

Oh lol

[stone terrace]

Only to not vouch for him later

[sage temple]

Shanks is definitely on Fraudwatch

[stone terrace]

Jarul too

[sage temple]

Jarul is Linlin level

[cosmic hamlet]

Yeah shanks fought hajrudin and some how caught loki instead of hajrudin. There are levels to meatriding 😭

[sage temple]

He's been a fraud

[prisma yacht]

@cosmic hamlet if we go back to the present timeline next chapter you lose the bet right

[stone terrace]

All 3 of you left that man in his piss soaked trousers for 6 years

[cosmic hamlet]

Yeah

[stone terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/tony-soprano-sopranos-gif-19397638

[sage temple]

Nobody confirmed Loki and Shanks actually fought

?

[fast pagoda]

Just so we're clear

[wet condor]

I'm ready for them to explain why they didn't say shit too

[cosmic hamlet]

Sure

[fast pagoda]

The squirrel mid diffs Roger and Garp

[sage temple]

Just saying Shanks captured Loki doesn't mean Shanks is stronger than Loki

[honest garden]

This is gonna be so sick in the anime

[sage temple]

I don't get the sarcasm

I'm literally correct

[somber flare]

either Squirrel is a fraud or Loki solos the verse

[sage temple]

Shanks and Loki aren't confirmed to have fought

[wet condor]

Tough

[cosmic hamlet]

Its not about number of chapters, its about whether we get loki content post incident

[prisma yacht]

Barely scratches them

[lofty fern]

Shouldn't Loki be thanking them for holding things down while he played with his squirrel? 😏

[fast pagoda]

"Roger did we beat Loki"
"Garp that was just the squirrel and we lost"

[honest garden]

What's the bet?

[prisma yacht]

Oh I see

[sage temple]

We're going to get a glimpse into the past after each clip of Loki hitting Harald

[cosmic hamlet]

Asking me?

#also-manga message

[honest garden]

Yes. I think it's very obvious that we'll get Loki content after the flashabck though

[lofty fern]

Probably more sad than anything

[cosmic hamlet]

Tell that to arsalwise

[prisma yacht]

it's not necessary since the fb is about how harald got killed

[cosmic hamlet]

Wait wdym after the flashback?

Inside the flashback

[prisma yacht]

Bahahahhah

[honest garden]

Well idk what the wording of your bet means

[cosmic hamlet]

After the incident we will still continue the flashback with loki

[prisma yacht]

if it's gonna get covered in this fb itself or not

[fast pagoda]

My current top 10

1. Joyboy
2. Imu
3. Harald
4. Squirrel
5. Rocks
6. Gunko
7. Garp
8. Roger
9. Big Mom
10. Vista

[wraith mantle]

never expected oda would make harald acknowledge this...

[prisma idol]

We should get little bits

[cosmic hamlet]

Its not like we will go to present as soon as the castle incident ends

[trim lily]

squirrel hype

[lofty fern]

Which part?

[prisma yacht]

Squirrel hype is usopp hype

[trim lily]

i assume we have one more chapter left before we return

[wraith mantle]

loki burning down the village

[fast pagoda]

The squirrel is going to bite Usopp's flimsy ass arms off

[wraith mantle]

out of love for ida

[cosmic hamlet]

Anything is fine as long as we get content after the castle incident ends

[prisma idol]

Also oda why?

[fast pagoda]

Usopp is gonna try to pick up Ragnir and die

[honest garden]

Oh, this incident, interesting bet then

[somber flare]

bro get squirrels dumb ass outta there

[prisma yacht]

They're gonna be friends

[somber flare]

Loki one shot him

[prisma idol]

It feels to abrupt to just end at the incident personally

[wraith mantle]

garling confirmed not conq haver?

fucking bumass nigga

[cosmic hamlet]

Castle incident involving harald death yeah

[fast pagoda]

I'm convinced Oda suddenly got a new editor who had a raging hateboner for the Holy Knights

[stone terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/squirrel-jump-fly-gif-5358391

[trim lily]

i’d still like to see loki’s life after this but i has a hunch oda wants to wrap this up

[lofty fern]

Oh Ida? yeah,its to show that Harald knew though he basically says that it wasn't the right answer. Also Loki never told him, but Harald knew anyway

[trim lily]

it’s already been like 16 chapters

[fast pagoda]

He probably wasnt there

[wraith mantle]

yeah this chapter lacks proper closure somehow

[prisma idol]

One piece fell off once Rocks was introduced frfr

[wraith mantle]

something is missing

[somber flare]

Garling was too busy playing judge Judy to get his son back

[celest mauve]

I had shuron and some others ridicule me for this but I don't know how it makes sense for usopp to wield ragnir with how things currently are, there definitely is a more realistic way of letting his character shine without having to be that drastic

[cosmic hamlet]

This confirms holy knights doesn't have CoC. Maybe shamrock does as gaban may not have fought him

[wraith mantle]

maybe we will get a quick aftermath thingy next chapter

[fast pagoda]

Didnt Oda get a new editor this year who worked on a certain jump manga that starts with a J

[prisma idol]

At least the old knights

Shamrock defo has it

[tough dust]

nah the way they talking he def wasn't there

[lofty fern]

Garling sent Sommers and the B squad each time. You can even see cipher pol on that ship lol

[honest garden]

I don't like the idea of him changing his fighting style that dramatically

[tough dust]

the only one for sure was there was sommers

[fast pagoda]

I'm sorry but the Holy Knights pre-flashback and Holy Knights post-flashback are completely different

[prisma yacht]

There's no garling here

[trim lily]

the shoujo prince probably had coc

[celest mauve]

the only saving grace is if neither garling nor shamrock were ever a part of those search squads

[wraith mantle]

if not galing then most HKs are bums without conq

[stone terrace]

Is it a surprise

[lofty fern]

Well, just the ones that were sent after Shanks

[fast pagoda]

Idk why Oda decided to tank his best villain group

[wraith mantle]

including bitchass gunko

[cosmic hamlet]

Probably doesn't include garling

[stone terrace]

How many coc users did the beast pirates have

[trim lily]

it’s genuinely so bizarre

[celest mauve]

it just doesn't make sense for usopp to get some huge power boost, that's never been his character

[prisma idol]

I know but oda keeps throwing the knights under the bus and its aggravating me because they are the big fights of this arc

[fast pagoda]

Gunko has advanced conquerors

[cosmic hamlet]

Yeah old holy knights except garling

[prisma idol]

Like oda please stop

[wraith mantle]

dragon was scared of these bums

[trim lily]

you would think oda would want to make his new cool villain group look good or threatening

[celest mauve]

he's always shone by being able to do things others can't while not being strong as a whole

[fast pagoda]

Oda has never done his villains this bad before

[tough dust]

by that logic admirals trash cuz no "coc"

[prisma idol]

2 if you count Yamato

[prisma yacht]

Shamrock just might be as strong as shanks in the current timeline

[fast pagoda]

The thing is they WERE until the flashback

[tough dust]

i don't think its the end all by all like that

[honest garden]

The only thing Oda is saying is that HKs aren't literally immortal

[wraith mantle]

yeah holy knights aint gonna be the major threat of elbaf, its either imu or domi'd loki

[lofty fern]

How can Sham be part of it, he would have been a baby. Shanks doesn't remember this happening so them trying to kidnap Shanks ended before Shanks was able to remember events

[fast pagoda]

Gunko and Killingham were moving like crazy

Shamrock had hella aura

[somber flare]

There is a reason why Luffy Zoro and Loki were kept away from the HKs for this long

[trim lily]

nearly everything in this flashback has shown people either humiliating or defeating them

[cosmic hamlet]

Brings a new set of villains for final saga and makes them lame. Admirals seem better than holyknights tbh. 1 or 2 holy knights do have potential, rest are ass

[prisma yacht]

And then there's sommers

[celest mauve]

you're right about shanks not remembering, I was about to say maybe they came after teen shanks and shamrock interned or something lol

[sage temple]

Or Domi'd everyone vs Loki and Luffy

[wraith mantle]

that too

[stone terrace]

And theres a reason shamrock was recalled back to the holy land

[sage temple]

Loki and Luffy are the only Legendary DF users in the series. If Luffy is immune, Loki likely is too

[stone terrace]

People are overreacting man lol

[wraith mantle]

but yeah the holy knights are too ass

[fast pagoda]

Ok but you cant deny Maffey getting accidental-diffed by Whitebeard and Gaban talking about how he beat Holy Knights multiple times isn't Oda trying to tank them

[prisma idol]

Sure but could he not give them a single good showing at all? I get his intention but him constantly showing them being punching bags drags down the tension the Knights were putting up before the flashback began

[lofty fern]

I mean, We only have 3 coc users that can officially fight, so we have a lot of work even with the knights. Gaban even admits they are strong

[tough dust]

by the way this line makes it 20x worse.

[cosmic hamlet]

Sommers seems to be ass, he doesn't have proper techniques to even fight

[stone terrace]

Do we want a group of immortals whom 5 of are able to box luffy

[somber flare]

they all suck and that's fine with me

[honest garden]

That's just not really true. They didn't win fights because they were fighting with literal top-verses

[stone terrace]

Is that really a good idea?

[somber flare]

I never saw them as this crazy powerful group in the first place

[celest mauve]

at least one of them having it to give zoro a good fight would've been nice icl

[stone terrace]

(Ignoring that the gorosei exist and indeed did that)

[fast pagoda]

Mind you this Gaban got Colon-diffed by Wunko

[wraith mantle]

my brother in christ, we have loki and luffy
loki was able to beat harald after just getting the DF, and luffy fucking beat kaido

[celest mauve]

and if sanji gets CoC later, then another HK with CoC for him too

[fast pagoda]

Gorosei performance in Egghead is still way worse than current Holy Knights performance in Elbaph

[wraith mantle]

i dont even think shamrock is capable of posing a threst to luffy + loki + rest of the guys

[honest garden]

I can argue that the weaker among them were carried by their blessing, which is what Oda actually conveyed

[trim lily]

they’re already endgame villains for us, why not simply make them stronger

[somber flare]

Sanji getting pity CoC is almost as embarassing as not having any at all

[wraith mantle]

and these knights were beaten repeatedly by roger pirates

[celest mauve]

if the gaban parallels are to continue, then it'll happen lol

[honest garden]

Because 8 people being as strong as Garp and Roger wouldn't work

[wraith mantle]

they literally aint shit

[trim lily]

they don’t have to be as strong but at least let them put up a bit of a fight

[fast pagoda]

Nobody said that

[tough dust]

i don't think there is a single goresei who got treated worse than sommers lol

[lofty fern]

It probably ended when Shanks was about 4 or less I guess

[trim lily]

they got woefully under represented in god valley

[honest garden]

How am I supposed to interpret the response to this message then

[lofty fern]

I guess it depends on how you look at it

[stone terrace]

Garling is a dick for sending a holy knight and some cipher pol agents to get his son yeah cuz thats obviously never going to work

[honest garden]

Who says they didn't put up a fight

[stone terrace]

Whitebeard himself couldnt take shanks from roger

[trim lily]

can you in good faith say they did from what we saw

[cosmic hamlet]

Honestly, gaban saying CoC is the way to defeat holyknight doesn't mean there is no other way.

He just doesn't know other methods. I hope sanji will get a power up related to his genes and find a way to counter holy knights in his own way rather than lame CoC which everyone seems to have now

[stone terrace]

What is sommers and friends going to do

[wraith mantle]

actually

did shanks try to hide he was a pirate?

[fast pagoda]

I need to be Oda's editor

[prisma idol]

Its less about them being stronger. Oda hasn't shown a single holy knight actually fight and win a fight besides Gunko. We need more than 1 win for the group

[wraith mantle]

is that why he was being mean to harald

[honest garden]

Like, the weaker among them lost to Rocks and Roger on GV. That makes complete sense. The distance between top-verse and even a couple tiers lower is and always has been massive

[fast pagoda]

If I was his editor I coulda fixed this flashback

[fast pagoda]

It is until it isn't though

[somber flare]

Garling never went himself because he knew he would’ve gotten whooped anyway

[honest garden]

They've been shitting on everyone in Elbaf except for a legendary pirate who they ultimately did beat him

[cosmic hamlet]

They seems like they lack experience fighting top tiers.

[lofty fern]

It's actually funny that Garling didn't bother with stronger people. This does mean that the HKs ARE aware of the weakness and maybe have done something about it

[fast pagoda]

Oda is incredibly inconsistent about the gap between mid/high tiers and top tiers

[golden valley]

Unfortunately asking for too much

[honest garden]

Lets not try and pretend that was significant lol

[golden valley]

Sanji is getting CoC

[somber flare]

Might as well send your subordinates to pretend you care about get him back

[golden valley]

And it’ll be his main way of countering the regen

[wet condor]

It would've looked better if he was more dignified about it lol

[honest garden]

The Big Mom example is equally bad

[fast pagoda]

It was a significant moment though

[wet condor]

But he's getting it regardless

[cosmic hamlet]

Not really, just unlock something to counter the regen

[fast pagoda]

Both were double page spreads

[sage temple]

True and Loki was the only one to ever be confirmed to kill a Holy Knight, everyone else might as well be futile against the rest

[wraith mantle]

this guy can probably take on 3-4 holy knights

[golden valley]

It is asking for too much when it comes to this whole regen counter

[tidal ice]

this squirrel beats 99.99% of the verse

[wraith mantle]

on god

[golden valley]

Its gonna be haki

[prisma idol]

Group B was team rocketing themselves against the roger pirates for years it seems

[wet condor]

Crying tears that he no longer has to sit in that room in the dark

Finally getting to see some action

[honest garden]

Well sure, but they didn't do much damage is my point. Kaido wiped the floor with them before he turned hybrid. It took Luffy much more time and much more effort to force Kaido to admit he was having fun

[wraith mantle]

bro 😭

[trim lily]

amazing way to describe it

[tough dust]

that was obvious

[cosmic hamlet]

I don't mind it but just feels like generic shit, at this point. Strawhats have a tend to get a powerup in their unique way except luffy and zoro

[fast pagoda]

I don't like the Gorosei and Holy Knights having regen in the first place, it feels antithetical to their characters

[wraith mantle]

nigga but he had his own crew by then

[honest garden]

How

[wraith mantle]

surely he had a bounty poster and everything

[tough dust]

i have already accepted the fact that coc is gonna be handed out like a candy

[wraith mantle]

how the fuck did garling and everyone else not notice

[trim lily]

i feel like the knights here will just further emphasize the gap between the stronger strawhats and the weaker

[fast pagoda]

The whole thing with Celestial Dragons is that they are meant to be untouchable, why is their power about letting them get beat up

[golden valley]

Thats kinda what Oda has boiled down this whole regeneration thing to

[wraith mantle]

bro what if shanks used haki knots vs loki thats why he called him a coward

[honest garden]

Because that means they're untouchable, just in a less literal sense

[golden valley]

Its just muh haki

[cosmic hamlet]

They probably didn't even try to dodge, just stood there and took the punches and left once they couldn't regen anymore 😭

[fast pagoda]

It's like Luffy punching Charlos was such a big deal but now everybody is punching Gorosei and Knights

[golden valley]

Everything in this arc has been muh haki

[lofty fern]

To be fair, they haven't had many actual fights. Killy has won all of his, Sommers won against Saul and Robin and lost against Gaban, Gunko has won every time, Garling lost against Rocks, but that's really all of our fights. Everything else is collateral damage they got.

[fast pagoda]

Also I dont like that Shanks knows about Imu

Too many people know about Imu

[honest garden]

Except for the curse shit, and the devil fruit powers

[cosmic hamlet]

Hate that it is linked to CoC, hoping we will find another ways to counter as we go ahead with the story

[trim lily]

i think this makes sense given he was in the knights as an intern

and was fairly close to his brother

[honest garden]

i.e. all postskip arcs but actually better because of the curse shit

[fast pagoda]

Yeah its ok I guess I just feel like Imu is less mysterious than he should be

[tough dust]

he only knows about whoever is called the "great one" but he hasn't actually met him doe.

[prisma idol]

Everyone has Conquerors now, just wait for Zeus to unlock nami's and Usopp to unlock his while welding ragnir, and for Gunko to unlock brooks and for Franky to unlock his using that old ancient 3000 year old tech and Jinbei to unlock his for some reason, and Robin to unlock hers when Saul gets domi'd again. Sanji doesn't get any tho

[wet condor]

It is funny to think of the HKs coming to seize Shanks and the Roger Pirates just send them packing lol

[trim lily]

i do agree with this

[lofty fern]

They can regen still, how do you think they're whole today? The issue is the pain and stamina. It's basically hit them until they just give up and leave

[trim lily]

im still annoyed about rocks casually meeting imu

[sage temple]

What curse shit

[cosmic hamlet]

Considering almost all the old generation are devil fruit less, what are you expecting? 😭

[honest garden]

Imu's contracts

[wet condor]

Sanji getting it is natural in a way. I just feel no excitement about him getting it lol

[vital heart]

Hey guys

[lofty fern]

We know very little about him?

[vital heart]

Thoughts on the chapter

[sage temple]

Oh ok

[vital heart]

Any TL comments?

[honest garden]

Really cool. Super excited to see this one be animated specifically

[vital heart]

Not GV?

Why

Why

[trim lily]

finally franky gets to use his 3000 year old haki cola

[tough dust]

pretty good chapter despite some rushed part of it

[somber flare]

It went from like 6 people knowing about Imu to like 55 in one arc

[prisma idol]

Who cares about GV

[vital heart]

that shit has got to be so fermented

[lofty fern]

I told you my thoughts. The shanks line and the Harald line

[cosmic hamlet]

I still need more information tbh, the explaination is vague

[vital heart]

99% ABV Cola

[honest garden]

Loki looks cool and he's massive and Harald being shattered is awesome

[shadow knoll]

what is that username cope

[fast pagoda]

I meant in-universe, too many people out of the WG are aware of Imu's existence

[wraith mantle]

this guy beat loki? idk about that gang

[sage temple]

I liked this page translation

[golden valley]

Oh no, I expected it. Im saying that there is no hope of an alternative, Elbaf establishes “muh haki” as the counter to just about every power

[prisma yacht]

So

[vital heart]

Harald line i disagree. Shanks i agree

[prisma idol]

Truly the goated ancient haki