also-manga

[untold latch]

Oda will cook

[muted hedge]

hopefully

given the insane build up to it

[untold latch]

or the sunny gets an upgrade

[hot cairn]

yeah those days may never come again, the only time it could return to that is in final war

[cloud ember]

watch lokis fruit just be a size changing fruit lol

[prisma yacht]

Goodnight shoyu

[stone tulip]

I mean Elbaf did make it 99% chance being the case due to her message to the crew, and considering her time being on the ship she can be either informant/intelligence officer (cause she was introduced as spy and she has connections with Morgans now) or she ends up being Luffy’s advisor especially now he is Yonko.

[prisma yacht]

I shld get some sleep as well

[stray pulsar]

Loki will be pulled behind the ship on a big raft

[prisma yacht]

Gn yall

[hot cairn]

supposedly it can destroy the world

[cloud ember]

he's already really big he could grow stupid big ig idk lol

[stone tulip]

Maybe but realistically I think that would be more of a justification that he would join the fleet instead cause of Hajrudin too

[cloud ember]

wbs fruit could also "destroy the world" lol

[muted hedge]

a lot of fruits are said to be able to

[untold latch]

hyperbole

[cloud ember]

what was her message?

[muted hedge]

though, i guess Whitebeards one is quite obvious given it's literal earthquakes

[hot cairn]

sanjuan wolf already has the huge huge fruit

[untold latch]

shapeshifting

[tidal ice]

possibly yeah, i think loki is 100% an ally at this stage and if that is by joining the crew itself or being an ally in grandfleet; it's a win either way

[hot cairn]

yeah, and that's a valid thing to say. It's a very powerful fruit

[cloud ember]

yeah image the colossal colossal fruit or some shit lol

[muted hedge]

wasn't the squirrel in norse mythology able to shapeshift?

[stone tulip]

This one

[muted hedge]

Ratatoskr i think the name was

[cloud ember]

of some mythical size changing zoan

[hot cairn]

sanjuan wolf already has that fruit

[cloud ember]

oh right

[sage temple]

Ace and Sabo fit that too though didn't they?

Especially Sabo

[stone tulip]

It’s most likely fleet for me cause how Hajrudin also seemed to share the same goal with making Elbaf better plus both may have parallels with Dorry and Brogey too

[stray pulsar]

I think it is a water fruit that can destroy the world by flooding it. I have no evidence just think it would be cool

[prisma idol]

They both already belong to major factions/crews

Thats the issue

[stone tulip]

Literally almost all characters

[hot cairn]

Ace is dead, Sabo is a Revo

[prisma idol]

Loki still flies solo

[untold latch]

nah but we need him

[sage temple]

Yeah now they are

[muted hedge]

a Ratatoskr fruit would be pretty cool

[sage temple]

At the time Luffy invited them, Ace and Sabo were solo

[hot cairn]

how is that comparable to Loki

[stone tulip]

We don’t cause he doesn’t really offer anything else other than strength and it makes sense more narratively to join the fleet instead

[prisma idol]

They were also children and it was before they even set off 😭

[hot cairn]

exactly lmao

[sage temple]

Yeah but it fits the list though doesnt it?

[rose rune]

his role could be the toilet brush

[sage temple]

"Exactly" like it still doesnt fit the list

[untold latch]

Loki being a squirrel is such aura loss

[muted hedge]

i don't think so

given that Oda would make it epic

[pine scaffold]

Notice how Loki isnt afraid of Imu's haki? in fact he even tells the others they need him more than ever

[untold latch]

Loki is top 5 most important people to the upcoming plot wdym bro

[hot cairn]

oh Sb so you're a Loki glazer now

[sage temple]

True especially since Luffy has felt it before and couldn't do anything against it

[sage temple]

Wait a min I remember when he was hating on Loki

[prisma idol]

They do

[stone tulip]

I meant within the crew not overall narrative, he is still important just not a straw hat

[pine scaffold]

Loki has haki which surpasses even Luffy since he can bypass the immortality of the holy knights

[sage temple]

Sb you switched up again now?

[rose rune]

oh wait, welcome back bluko

[untold latch]

brook does nothing in the crew but gets along just fine

[hot cairn]

yeah, are you going to allow that hypocracy on your team?

[rose rune]

as a mod

[prisma idol]

https://tenor.com/view/waving-emoji-yellow-waving-emoji-fast-waving-yellow-emoji-gif-2616820770356227063

[brittle basin]

What about me?

[tranquil blade]

oh mein gott bruh

[rose rune]

can you promote buffy to mod bluko?

[cloud ember]

I REALLY don't see anyone other than Vivi joining besides maybe Yamato

[stone tulip]

Funny in beginning of the arc he was Loki fan until he was revealed to be a tsundere and got his ass kicked by Gunko and ended up hating him but now he is back to loving him again lmao

[sage temple]

Yeah so just

• Being invited and declining
• Having a sad backstory
• Being solo
• Sad backstory

doesn't mean they're invited for sure

Also we don't even know Loki is actually a solo pirate

[cloud ember]

carrot and Loki are def grand fleet members tho

[hot cairn]

Yamato joining is not happening anymore

[brittle basin]

uwu

[sage temple]

We haven't seen Loki's crew yet

To know if he was solo

[stone tulip]

Brook is musician and music is important in the story so that’s false

[untold latch]

if vivi joins WE are all dropping OP

[rose rune]

I'm sorry, but it doesn't seem like bluko wants to

[cloud ember]

I see momo and yamato joing grand fleet too or helping in some way for sure tho

[untold latch]

Brook rarely plays music unless its at the end of a celebration

[brittle basin]

https://tenor.com/view/captain-phillips-boat-hijack-im-the-captain-now-barkhad-look-at-me-gif-4242563

[sage temple]

https://tenor.com/view/curb-your-enthusiasm-larry-david-confused-unsure-undecided-gif-3294343

[stone tulip]

Thank you cause people were trying to say this ignoring other crucial points that would also help them to join the crew

[craggy vapor]

Vivi is already a straw hat. I hope you have other series ro read

[stray pulsar]

Yamota, Carrot, and Loki are all allies and could help out, but Vivi is a true crew member

[sage temple]

Yeah nothing really says Loki is likely or anything to join the crew yet

So no reason to say so

Loki already might have a crew

[rose rune]

https://tenor.com/view/awawa-hyrax-lick-tongue-gif-6048808225656235212

[stone tulip]

He deadass used music against big mom but sure

[sage temple]

We don't even know yet

[muted hedge]

come on what's wrong with Ratatoskr?

[untold latch]

honorary member

[sage temple]

So Loki joining the crew isn't definite or likely at all yet

[muted hedge]

one of the most integral creatures in Norse mythology

[sage temple]

Loki can just be an ally

[tough igloo]

lol oh i ain’t saying it cause it’s something wrong with it

[stone tulip]

You drop one piece buddy

[untold latch]

apart from fighting

we werent talking abt battle u said

[stone tulip]

That’s literally a fight

[muted hedge]

ah my bad

[rose rune]

he spreads lies, perfect for usopp

[muted hedge]

i have a hard time telling what these gifs are meant to convey, lol

[brittle basin]

Ratatoskr wasn't in the MCU so Oda won't reference it in Elbaf.

[stone tulip]

Film red also touched upon how music is import so that also answered

[untold latch]

https://tenor.com/view/he-laughed-tom-shipwright-one-piece-onepiece-op-anime-toei-manga-eiichiro-oda-fishman-fish-man-toms-workers-franky-haha-olda-man-fat-monster-cute-adorable-grandpa-dad-laugh-uncle-unc-still-got-it-hilarious-gif-16560012972795861085

[cloud ember]

crew roles are such a joke like when tf does Usopp ever snipe lol besides Dressrosa one time and they made a big deal about it

[tough igloo]

Loki strength confirmed it already … he ain’t joining

he too strong

[pine scaffold]

He's way too strong to join lol

the monster trio gets ruined

[rose rune]

but he's slaying

[untold latch]

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-really-stressed-mad-angry-gif-16109475

[tough igloo]

exactly and Oda not about to mess up the trio in the final saga of all places lol Loki will be a strong ally

[hot cairn]

who do you guys prefer joins the crew, Vivi or Loki?

[untold latch]

sanji and zoro can still be the wings without being the strongest

[tranquil blade]

Vivi

[untold latch]

Loki

[muted hedge]

Vivi

[tranquil blade]

Pretty easily

[pine scaffold]

I find it crazy how Loki was able to clash with HK Harald with no df or ragnir

[stone tulip]

Considering the story is leading to, she is most likeliest option cause most of pre time skip is established the entire straw hat crew including Jinbe and Vivi and it’s also why post time skip focuses on allies outside of the crew which another reason why no one that introduced from post time skip joined.

[pine scaffold]

hes a true monster in his own right

[distant vine]

If I cant deny both, then let Vivi join

[hot cairn]

Loki fans better be against Loki joining cause that would mean he'll end up being weaker than Zoro and Sanji LOL

[untold latch]

if nami clone joins the crew we are finished

[distant vine]

At least one of them is friends with the crew

[tranquil blade]

Sb got his account hacked by socrates

[untold latch]

its not abt his strength its abt his character

[tough igloo]

nah they can’t .. it’s also the roger crew parallel which would be messed up that Oda loves to shove in our face .. Loki is more of a leader than a follower anyway

[stone tulip]

The one who has a lot of build up to being a straw hat and actually sailed and bonded with the crew who was introduced in pre time skip

[tough igloo]

Hajrudin becoming King while Loki takes over the new giant warrior pirates

he’s the captain now

[muted hedge]

i think that both Loki and Hajrudin will lead Elbaph together, like Harald wanted

[untold latch]

if ur talking abt rodger crew parallel they need a torturer which Loki fits wayyy better than vivi

[stone tulip]

Or co captains until EoS

[stray pulsar]

I could see Loki being a cool pirate giant captain

[untold latch]

yall hating now but when Loki joins we will be up

eating good

[stone tulip]

Straw hats are more of parallels to Shanks crew rather than Roger’s

[tough igloo]

yep .. i feel like the best way is to have one lead the pirate crew and the other lead the nation .. Hajrudin seems to be the only one who actually wants to be Kinf

[cloud ember]

Even Vivi is a long shot it would be so much cooler if she had her own finished subplot rather than becoming a background character and drowning out an already flooded main crew during the last part of a long ass manga

[muted hedge]

i'm all for Loki joining, just think it's not likely

[craggy vapor]

Loki is strong

[cloud ember]

wheres the jinbei meme

[ashen perch]

what happened to Harald Top 1

[tough igloo]

ehhh nah .. it’s just shanks .. we don’t know enough about beckman & yasopp & roux to say they’re anything like zoro & sanji .. we’ve had Oda flat out say specific roger pirates are like specifix straw hats

[pine scaffold]

He has insane haki

[pine scaffold]

I removed that a few days ago tbh

[cloud ember]

!crewsfull

[tranquil blade]

He did it again

[pine scaffold]

u can check logs

[sage temple]

"we"

[hot cairn]

Sb is back to his bandwagon ways

[muted hedge]

didn't you have it yasterday, lol

[stone tulip]

The thing is that her story is relevant to the crew’s journey especially with her ancestors being responsible for scattered poneglphys and I think all of the straw hats will play major role in final conflict in some way

[ashen perch]

yeah I was pointing out how you changed your mind within days again

[pine scaffold]

not yesterday

[untold latch]

choose ur side u fencesitter

[rose rune]

let loki join

[sage temple]

https://tenor.com/view/ja-morant-switched-up-stay-on-that-side-nba-snake-gif-27055723

[prisma idol]

I'm for him joining, probably thinking its a bit more likely he joins

[hot cairn]

arsal what are your thoughts on Loki joining the crew

[ashen perch]

impossible

[prisma idol]

I'm 50/50 on him actually joining

[muted hedge]

it would be sick if he did

[stone tulip]

I meant role wise cause it does match 1 to 1 even tho Roux has two roles in the crew

[untold latch]

how WE will be moving when Loki joins

[ashen perch]

We have talked about this before smh, I think Loki is gonna be Oda's most convincing Nakama bait of all time

[sage temple]

https://tenor.com/view/twolaugh-lordzaga-gif-13053470704677817968

[stone tulip]

Only missing is Scholar, helmsman, shipwright from Shanks side and first mate from Luffy side

[untold latch]

https://tenor.com/view/ja-morant-switched-up-stay-on-that-side-nba-snake-gif-27055723

[ashen perch]

but he will never join.

[tranquil blade]

Nothing can top Yamato

[sage temple]

Loki just doesn't have to be a crewmate at all and it's more 50/50 than anything

[tidal ice]

you can still be a nakama without joining

[rose rune]

we just pretend to read your theories arsal

[tranquil blade]

Nothing could

[ornate tartan]

I love Loki bro😂 walking upscale

[hot cairn]

yeah that's true we have

[pine scaffold]

hes top 1 lmao

[sage temple]

Vortex v2 😭

[ornate tartan]

probably best character oda made last 3 yrs

[craggy vapor]

I know how we can fix the Loki on straw hats ship problem: Ditch Sunny and have everyone board Loki’s ship.

[tough igloo]

best way for Harald wish of both of his sons leading Elbaf together to come true

let Hajrudin accomplish his dream of being King of Elbaf

and let Loki sail the seas again as the captain of new giant warrior pirates

both would still be part of Luffy fleet anyway

[pine scaffold]

Loki and Rocks are the best new characters for sure

[prisma idol]

Arsal what is your joining track record

[ornate tartan]

😎

[tough igloo]

Hajrudin seems to care way more about being King than being a pirate

[tidal ice]

which one of you were ardent yamato joining believers

[hot cairn]

he was a carrot fan

so 0

[untold latch]

who even is a yamoto believer 😭

[prisma idol]

Sorry arsal but it would be safer to bet against you...

[pine scaffold]

ages ago

[untold latch]

https://tenor.com/view/ja-morant-switched-up-stay-on-that-side-nba-snake-gif-27055723

crazy

[pine scaffold]

LOKI IS HIM!

[untold latch]

nah

u a fraud gng

[ashen perch]

well, its difficult to say, because I have switched sides multiple times on all the candidates

[untold latch]

u never believed

[hot cairn]

expose him Socrates, there's more messages of him hating on Loki

[untold latch]

crazy

[rose rune]

I really had to go deep into my mind to think if I ever picked a side, and I honestly don't think I did

[prisma idol]

So you are the SB of new Nakama

[tough igloo]

even in dressrosa , hajrudin goal as a pirate was to get Ace DF and that would make him king of elbaf lol

[untold latch]

fruad

[pine scaffold]

Peoples opinions change

u need to accept that

[untold latch]

die hards* ride or die

[hot cairn]

LOL

[pine scaffold]

You can cry and scream but people do change

thats life

Lol

[tidal ice]

same, i was always kinda meh on it, didn't care if she joined or not but i know a lot of folks here were upset when she didn't

[untold latch]

sukuna fan so we allow it

[tidal ice]

this emote was made on that day

[tough igloo]

only character i’m 100% confident will get back on the sunny is Vivi .. whether it’s as a crew mate or not don’t really matter

they view her as one anyway

[rose rune]

like even now, I feel like Loki joining really depends on his devil fruit

[untold latch]

get that nepo baby off my ship

[stone tulip]

Even beating Yamato ? Lmao

[sage temple]

I dunno SB your track record with Loki isn't too convincing

[ashen perch]

like I was a strong Carrot believer, but once Oda decided to brutally murder her character, it was very much so over and I jumped off. On Yamato, I was an early believer that he would join but halfway through Onigashima, I consistently argued that he won't join and I was right on that atleast. On Tama, I liked the apprentice parallel but I was never fully convinced that she would ever join still.

[scenic dirge]

Nepo baby and she’s literally an actual princess 😭

[brittle basin]

Vivi is the only one that ultimately matters for any kind of "new crew member" since she's already an honorary member

[tranquil blade]

Does Karoo count as a strawhat or is he like in the pet category

[pine scaffold]

This was years ago

[hot cairn]

Loki got an actual invitation so it's already beating Yamato

[tough igloo]

bruh 🤦🏾‍♂️ .. the captain of the straw hats is a nepo baby lmao the #2 of the crew is a descendant of RYUMA 😂

[pine scaffold]

and again I changed

[scenic dirge]

I mean… I guess royalty are all nepo babies to an extent but that’s the entire point

[stray pulsar]

The only reason people thought Yamato or Carrot would join is due to community members. The text didn’t make it seem that way

[stone tulip]

Oda pretty much spoiled it even before Jinbe showed up on Wano too and Elbaf made it even more possible for her

[untold latch]

exactly we dont need anymore

[sage temple]

Years? Or months?

[untold latch]

nepopiece allegations will never end

[ashen perch]

yeah but I learnt my lesson in Wano, I have firmly and consistently believed that Loki will not join no matter how Oda tries to convince us that he will. and I think he is gonna try his hardest.

[pine scaffold]

Idc, I'm still gonna glaze Loki nobody can stop me

[tough igloo]

she was already there before most of everybody else was ./ she a OG .. she good

[tranquil blade]

Actually speaking of who counts does Zeus count as a strawhat

[scenic dirge]

No

[ashen perch]

yeah

[sage temple]

We don't accept you

[hot cairn]

pet

[rose rune]

what? you're back as a mod too?
my baby boys evan and bluko!! christmas came early this year

[untold latch]

hell no

[stone tulip]

Technically former member of who is gonna reclaim her place soon and since Luffy said he wanted 10 crewmates then crew is full

[tough igloo]

and she got better writing than 98% of the straw hats lol .. if anything she makes the crew better/more interesting

[scenic dirge]

You literally just ignored me when I said hi in staff chat the other day. It hurt my feelings

[prisma idol]

I think it would be fun if he joins and it would be cool to have a giant on the main crew instead of the Grand fleet

[stone tulip]

Well Yamato did have an open invitation at the end so

[tranquil blade]

and Zeus also in the pet category I guess... kinda messed up :zeussus:

[untold latch]

reclaim her place? If vivi joins the sh its a waste of character. Also she has a country to lead

[prisma idol]

However there are issues dealing with his size and we should see where Oda takes loki's character

[untold latch]

her father got packed up

[stone tulip]

Straw hats is great example of nepotism lmao

[rose rune]

my brain must have farted

[tough igloo]

she can’t even go back to her country lmao what are you talking about she got a country to lead .. she’s literally on the run lol

[sage temple]

This doesn't make it likely at all if Ace and Sabo fit that same description

[scenic dirge]

Loki is like… actually gonna be too strong to join 😭 if Yamato was already getting that as a reason they wouldn’t join, it 1000000% applies to Loki

[tough igloo]

she has no choice but to go back to the straw hats

[sage temple]

Also we don't know if Loki already has a crew

[untold latch]

afterwards gng

[sage temple]

Loki was a pirate before

He might have a crew already

[tidal ice]

always believed here the moment i saw his first actual appearance 😤

[muted hedge]

i mean, he did have the cultists wherever they went

[tough igloo]

so at the end of the story ?! that’s the only time she’ll be able to go back is when Imu & the gorosei are gone

[hot cairn]

yeah that's true

[golden valley]

Carrot was a pet at best

[stone tulip]

She is fugitive now and it won’t be waste of character cause it had already set up her rejoining the crew at end of Arabasta anyways

[hot cairn]

buddy would break the monster trio

[sage temple]

Yeah and he accumulated a 2.6b bounty as a pirate

[prisma idol]

I use video game boss logic, once they join they wont be as strong as when they weren't on the crew. Or that the people already in the crew will get stronger to match him

[sage temple]

He could easily have a crew

[brittle basin]

Straw Hat Vivi soon once she parachutes into Elbaf from Morgans' ship!

[tough igloo]

for the rest of the story she’s about to be with the straw hats until she isn’t wanted by Imu anymore

[muted hedge]

where did those cultists go anyway

[tough igloo]

which won’t be until Imu is gone

[stone tulip]

Every argument that is made against Vivi coming back can be debunked by reading the actual story

[muted hedge]

they kinda just disappeared

[untold latch]

Alabastians wouldnt be welcoming to a pirate ruler

[craggy vapor]

Loki already revived the Galeia giants and they are waiting for orders

[sage temple]

They're sensitive to Haki

[scenic dirge]

Jarul literally said if Harald ate the fruit, then the world would end. Which I’m sure is hyperbole ofc, but at the same time, Loki is 100% gonna be one of the strongest people we’ve ever seen when he’s at full power

[tough igloo]

literally ! lol like i don’t understand .. must be some type of personal agenda against her or something

[sage temple]

They were knocked out by Shanks' Haki so Imu's Haki is no different

[hot cairn]

the yamato ones?

[stone tulip]

Even Oda’s message kinda hinted at too, next year is full encounters and it may include reunions too

[sage temple]

They're probably sleeping

[muted hedge]

no, the stinky ones with Loki

[tranquil blade]

Yeah that's true

but Zoro wins

[sage temple]

Possibly

[hot cairn]

ah

[tranquil blade]

because of course he does

[scenic dirge]

I think that was a fair thing to say for Yamato and Jinbe but Loki seems a bit too extreme imo lol

[untold latch]

i promise u on everything vivi is joining

[tranquil blade]

Zoro always wins

[untold latch]

holy typo

[tough igloo]

not a typo , you right lol

[hot cairn]

true

[tidal ice]

could see vivi being a temporary crew member for a couple chapters
doesn't she have a country to run

[craggy vapor]

except something something

[untold latch]

LOKI

i meant loki

[brittle basin]

Vivi from the top rope (Morgans ship) onto Gunkmu with the flying elbow.

[scenic dirge]

I mean Zoro is literally already top 1, I wasn’t referring to him. My point was that if Loki joins he would upstage Luffy

[tough igloo]

that was fate typing for you lol

[scenic dirge]

And we can’t have that

[tough igloo]

cause Loki ain’t joining .. we don’t need a Jinbei 2.0

[sage temple]

If Loki joins he'd be a rival to Luffy ngl

[untold latch]

jinbei slander is crazy

[sage temple]

He had a top 4 bounty back then

[untold latch]

eh so what

[tranquil blade]

Yeah the monster trio has to stay Luffy Zoro Jinbe

[tough igloo]

sadly we know that’s not how oda writes the straw hats ..

[tranquil blade]

Loki would probably mess that up

[tough igloo]

if he joined , he getting nerfed sadly

[rose rune]

not really... but he'd become both of his wings

[tidal ice]

bb crew has someone insanely cracked as the #2 so i don't see it being impossible

[hot cairn]

this is not something Oda would do

[tough igloo]

that’s just how it is

[hot cairn]

monster trio dynamic is unbreakable

[untold latch]

jinbie lowkey stronger than sanji anyway so whats the problem

[stone tulip]

It’s boils down to these reasons:

1. Misogyny
2. Power scaling (mistaken Luffy for likes of Kaido and Blackbeard)
3. They want other characters to fill the spot (despite Vivi has the strongest argument for joining than any of them)

[tough igloo]

idc how strong the character is , if you join the straw hats Oda will force you to get in line behind the monster tiro .. ESPECIALLY in the final saga ..

[sage temple]

👍 I'm not saying he won't get nerfed I'm saying Loki right now seems to be closer to Luffy in strength than Zoro

[hot cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-meme-trying-not-to-laugh-laugh-homeless-gif-9458928528704746136

[sage temple]

Idc if he'll get nerfed nothing says him joining is likely anyways

[ashen perch]

strength thing is really the weakest argument against Loki joining, because thats never mattered

Zoro and Sanji will be stronger eventually

[tough igloo]

oh yeah i agree which is why he don’t need to join cause if he does that’s going down to relative to sanji & jinbei (moreso jinbei )

[untold latch]

FACTS

join the agenda

[hot cairn]

stronger than Loki?

[sage temple]

Yeah but there's plenty of other counterexamples other than this

[ashen perch]

nah he isnt joining lol but still saying

[hot cairn]

look at the very next message lol

[stone tulip]

She is fugitive, it was even addressed on why she can’t go back twice

[craggy vapor]

Listen up y’all. Straw hats have job titles. You gotta have a talent to join the straw hats. What job title could Loki possibly have.

[ashen perch]

yeah

[pine scaffold]

Goat role

[sage temple]

And I doubt Zoro or Sanji will be stronger than Loki EOS

[tough igloo]

yeah strength ain’t the only argument for him not joining , i don’t think he’s joining g for multiple reasons lol

[untold latch]

https://tenor.com/view/you-a-hater-curtis-payne-house-of-payne-hater-jealous-gif-19162330

[tranquil blade]

I mean unless you think Robin was the 2nd strongest when she joined idk if something like that has ever happened, except Jinbe but thats also debateable

[ashen perch]

she was

[prisma idol]

Keeping an open mind

[untold latch]

robin was 2nd

[stone tulip]

So above Zoro too ? Winbe!

[untold latch]

so who cares

[prisma idol]

It could happen it also could not

[tough igloo]

i’m not saying they will or won’t .. but why does everybody assume zoro & sanji EOS will be stronger than so many other characters who are also top of the top tiers ..like it’s not like ray & gaban were

[stone tulip]

At least Vivi doesn’t have that issue lmao

[tidal ice]

i understand going back right now would be a death sentence, just talking about after imu/this wg stuff is dealt with
but perhaps that argument can translate to the rest of the crew too, they wouldn't necessarily need to sail at that stage since they probably already have OP

[tough igloo]

zoro i can understand due to his title but even then , mfs still don’t view Mihawk that way with the title

[untold latch]

using reliable sources to scale zoro and sanji

[prisma idol]

So true

[tranquil blade]

but this actually was about base Zoro as many forget

[ashen perch]

its simple math, Mihawk is stronger than so many others so the guy who will beat him and his equal will also be stronger than so many others

[sage temple]

Inaccurate

[celest mauve]

zoro wants to be the greatest swordsman there is, so stronger than shanks and mihawk at bare minimum

and then sanji just gets auto-upscaled I guess

[prisma idol]

Base zoro?

[tranquil blade]

Yes base Zoro

[stone tulip]

The whole Imu stuff will only be dealt with in the final arc which literally makes her only come back to her country when the story is over

[sage temple]

Lol this would be hilarious

[untold latch]

base zoro rn is stronger than eos sanji

[ashen perch]

I like how databooks and magazines are unreliable now, when people usually cant shut up about them

[stone tulip]

Don’t need to fabricate a lie to support my claims lol

[prisma idol]

What made them more unreliable?

[sage temple]

Actually, for hating Zoro, Sanji fans are awfully excited to having the chance of being Zoro's equal

[stone tulip]

Doesn’t matter cause Sanji is getting conquerors soon lol

[untold latch]

we dont using external sources

[celest mauve]

zoro being apparently equal to sanji is just something distasteful I have to accept even when the latter doesn't even have conqueror's haki

[stone tulip]

Nah uh

[ashen perch]

they said Sanji = Zoro

[untold latch]

because they knew they were inferior so they take anything they can get

[tough igloo]

i’ve seen people say Luffy Zoro Sanji will be EOS top 3 and i just never agreed with that

[tidal ice]

Oda has no clue what he is writing, ignore him, zoro and sanji are not equals

[tranquil blade]

Well

[untold latch]

rs

[ashen perch]

it is true

[untold latch]

rs

[stone tulip]

Sources that are approved by Oda unless contradicts the manga so look

[ornate tartan]

I think it’s guaranteed Loki Fruit is a Mythical Zoan
why would a legendary devil fruit passed down through generations be a logia or paramecia😂😂😂

[untold latch]

Oda isnt a reliable source

we know this

[stone tulip]

Saying this as if Sanji wouldn’t get one in this arc tho

[wraith mantle]

do yall ever read the text on the chapter, and forget to look at the images lmao

[celest mauve]

sanji getting CoC in whatever the current arc is has been an argument since forever lol

[hot cairn]

this si so funny

[tough igloo]

i’ve done the opposite where i’ve looked at the panels without noticing that i ain’t even reading the chapter lol

[wraith mantle]

wild!!!

[stone tulip]

Yeah so him being equals on Zoro wouldn’t be that much of an issue or a stretch anymore when he gets it tbh

[ashen perch]

you dont need a databook to tell you that Sanji equals Zoro but its nice to see the people who can't shut up about databooks and magazines try to twist themselves out of this

[brittle basin]

!speedreader2

[tropic nova]

https://tenor.com/view/not-reading-read-reading-his-ass-is-not-reading-ignore-gif-18922326

[scenic dirge]

It absolutely does matter to an extent lol. People always say “Zoro and Sanji can get just get stronger later” but Oda literally didn’t even Jinbe properly together with the entire crew until Zoro and Sanji were essentially on par/about to exceed him. Especially with how hard the wings thing is being pushed in this arc alone, it is absolutely something of note if it’s too extreme

[merry field]

😭

[stone tulip]

Like yeah I don’t mind Zoro being stronger than Sanji cause Zoro is combatant but if Oda want them to be equals then we have to suck it up lol

[untold latch]

u arent qualified for mod if you believe sanji laces zoro's boots

[ashen perch]

LMAO

[tidal ice]

pack it up arsal 😭

[celest mauve]

we have to suck up unconvincing equals portrayal, rip

[sturdy steeple]

Well, just make Loki lose an arm or something to upscale Zoro and Sanji. Problem solved.

[prisma idol]

Well...

[untold latch]

Shanks fans will say he gets stronger after loosing an arm

[stone tulip]

At least Sanji fans don’t have to twist things from magazine cause that info is recent and accurate compared to Zoro fans trying to use an outdated source from pre time skip lol

[tough igloo]

I really hope Oda doesn’t skip the Shanks vs Loki fight lol i have a bad feeling the flashback end with Harald death

[scenic dirge]

It’s 2025, people just gotta stop caring about this silly shit lol

[tranquil blade]

If Zoro opens his other eye he's stronger than Loki

[prisma idol]

Wouldn't that make them more reliable Arsal?

[brittle basin]

Sanji and Zoro are neck and neck. And if not, they're so close that it borderline doesn't matter. And it's necessary they are close to each other for the fights to come with the God's Knights and beyond.

[prisma idol]

Also Arsal I keep almost calling you Merry

[stone tulip]

Wouldn’t say unconvincing equals cause we had seen the case so many times lol

[muted hedge]

i feel like we'll not get Shanks vs Loki in this flashback, but maybe post-Elbaph

[stone tulip]

Or better yet, never let Loki join the crew lol

[ashen perch]

I mean Oda could just have Loki hang around without properly joining for a while too, nothing prevents him from doing that. I dont think Loki is joining anyways, just saying its not a good argument against it

[wraith mantle]

zoro really kinda ass huh? he be training 24/7 only to be as strong as a chef who barely trains 😭

[scenic dirge]

You say this as if they didn’t literally try to use the vivre cards as proof that Zoro didn’t have CoC coz it didn’t list it as a haki type he had or whatever lol

[sage temple]

Zunesha is Kuina type take

[sturdy steeple]

You think you’re so smart HUH

[ashen perch]

yeah I am trying to confuse people, that was the idea

[tranquil blade]

This is true

[brittle basin]

the alcohol keeps him in check

[stone tulip]

Even if they aren’t equals we know the gap between them is always smaller anyways so really no surprise

[sage temple]

Loki hater realizes thare's a chance Loki doesn't get downscaled

[tranquil blade]

People still use the vivre cards to say Blackbeard doesnt have CoC

[sage temple]

[wraith mantle]

oh hell nah... bro is not kenapchi

[tranquil blade]

or Mihawk

[celest mauve]

really? zoro consistently fights the 2nd strongest, sanji fights the 3rd strongest, zoro got supernova status and action against two yonko, even their ultimate parallels in rayleigh and gaban seem to be ranked #2 and #3 in the eyes of most

[ashen perch]

oh it absolutely does, but I am saying they are unreliable to a lot of people now, not me

[sturdy steeple]

Oh is Pink a Loki hater

Damn man that’s tough

[scenic dirge]

External sources are largely completely bullshit but again, you literally don’t need that to know what Oda is going for lol

[prisma idol]

But think, It would be really funny if he doesn't

[stone tulip]

I was referring to now, but yeah the whole thing about Zoro’s CoC was stupid cause that was confirmed since Wano lmao

[tiny oak]

usopp will one shot loki to steal his hammer btw. the foreshadowing has been right in our faces this whole time anyone who says im wrong skipped arcs

[prisma idol]

Never cook

[hot cairn]

hating on Loki wont age well

[wraith mantle]

imagine if sanji actually trained, zoro would be cooked

[tranquil blade]

I feel like it would be funnier if Mihawk didnt have it but

[ashen perch]

99% of people arent serious about this at all though, like its been pretty explicit that he does have CoC since his fight with King

[tidal ice]

this is how I see it too. one even has coc the other does not seem to

[tranquil blade]

I dont think either can happen I'm afraid

[sage temple]

"Oh yeah let me act like he said something he didn't. This'll get him for sure!"

[sage temple]

Not even the same shape

But you got it

Lmao

[junior glacier]

This is true I’m oda

[hot cairn]

didnt arsal also said that Usopp is getting Ragnir (wilding)

[tiny oak]

a hammer is a hammer joyboy doesn’t even have the same sword every time oda said so

[sturdy steeple]

Sanji is actually actively suppressing his strength by NOT working out and smoking every day ☝️

[brittle basin]

We have to love Loki to make up for the gap his birth creature left in his heart and the gap the death of his true mother left in his heart.

[celest mauve]

it's not a huge deal but it is weird to see that in the magazine that they're equal even though (at least imo) the story pushes zoro being stronger by a bit

[ashen perch]

it will shapeshift, yes

[hot cairn]

wildin

[sage temple]

Joyboy doesn't use a sword

Lmfao

[tiny oak]

nika then

[prisma idol]

Usopp will not get ragnir

[wraith mantle]

birth creature is wild 😭

[sturdy steeple]

What are you even trying to say dude, what

[stone tulip]

I mean no argument in there but keep in mind that the gap is smaller and it may always change too, like Sanji may not be equal to Zoro in strength in the past doesn’t mean he will never be equal to him especially on Elbaf and I think him getting that would finally solidify it, plus this also about dynamic cause after Luffy the straw hats either rely on Zoro or Sanji especially in battles too.

[iron oriole]

[brittle basin]

I will never say anything good about her

[sage temple]

Nice you finally got it right

[ashen perch]

I love him but strength wise I think people just gotta relax (Sb/Socrates), like I am sure he is like Luffy level but thats about it

[thin quest]

what are we talking about? Oda literally said Zoro and Sanji are equal

[scenic dirge]

Holy retroactive ronald lmfaoo 😭 they absolutely were serious about it. It’s been a thing since the dawn of man. Fans will always pick and choose what external source info they want to believe as confirmation bias for whatever they want to be true. But if you need editor comments to confirm author intent to you then that’s probably just a poor reflection on your own reading comprehension lol

[wraith mantle]

is the wings thing really supposed to be about strength?

[tiny oak]

boi it was one slip up i realized as i sent it😒

[junior glacier]

Usopp creates a haki knot with 0.1% of his power and knocks out everyone on the island

[celest mauve]

if sanji gets CoC, it'll definitely make him being zoro's equal more convincing but until then, meh

[wraith mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/holding-a-basketball-michael-jordan-mj-jordan-chicago-bulls-gif-16999943

[rose rune]

she's a meat bag

[stone tulip]

Twitter disagrees tho

[thin quest]

he's already confirmed to be getting it

[merry field]

What do y’all think Loki’s fruit is gonna be

[prisma idol]

This makes it sound like Luffy is weak

[celest mauve]

said who

[iron oriole]

Its part of it

[tiny oak]

one piece fans try not to get mad at one detail being missing out of 100,000,000 challenge

[thin quest]

read the manga

[celest mauve]

excellent argument

[prisma idol]

We dont listen to OPtwt

[wraith mantle]

loki is not luffy level

[frigid gulch]

Are we really still relying on databook and magazine yap in damn near 2026

[merry field]

Gaban was literally talking about it

[wraith mantle]

especially if you consider luffy kaido level

[ashen perch]

well there are people putting Loki at like Roger/Xebec level which is where things are getting ridiculous

[stone tulip]

No I don’t hate Loki, I just don’t believe he is joining the crew.

Loki is definitely entertaining character tho lmao.

[thin quest]

Oda literally said in the latest OP magazine they're equals

[celest mauve]

yes he talked about zoro having it

[thin quest]

please catch up

[brittle basin]

what the heckarooney is this video?

[prisma idol]

Yeah thats wild

[iron oriole]

"You use Oda as a canon source?" Incoming

[celest mauve]

that's not the manga and we're talking about sanji having CoC, not being equal to zoro

[sturdy steeple]

Kind of hard to really tell how strong the guy is. At least we know he was defeated by an OG emperor so perhaps somewhere around admirals.

[scenic dirge]

Loki’s likely gonna be super comparable to Luffy in strength yea

[junior glacier]

Trusting the author 💔 💔

[prisma idol]

Roger/Xebec> Shanks >= Kaido >= Luffy > Loki

[tranquil blade]

EoE (End of Elbaf) Luffy > Loki

[wraith mantle]

fr

this guy's biggest feat is losing to shanks

[sturdy steeple]

Oh my bad, Socrates confused me

[muted hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/zoro-roronoa-zoro-heart-of-gold-movie-sanji-gif-12661498370051857508

[ashen perch]

I havent seen it much honestly, outside of like 10 people on Twitter, nobody deadass thought that Zoro didnt have COC when he used it as clearly as anyone can against King lol

[frigid gulch]

Oda doesn’t write magazine statements lol

[muted hedge]

it's funny how the fandom of Zoro and Sanji reflect their characters perfectly

[frigid gulch]

He doesn’t have the time for that

[stone tulip]

I mean at least Elbaf does hint that so I don’t even mind that, but I don’t care if they are equals or Zoro is 2nd strongest and Sanji’s 3rd, I am just aware of what Oda is trying to do right now.

[tranquil blade]

but what if Xebec specifically was just not all that, and Harald by extension

[thin quest]

Toei has poisoned y'all's impressions of Sanji

[bright torrent]

whats the chance loki actually getting the fruit next chapter

[tranquil blade]

I mean it's possible

[wraith mantle]

loki is probably zoro level, maybe a bit stronger

[stone tulip]

Neither in Vivre cards but he supervises both anyways

[scenic dirge]

Lmfao

[muted hedge]

very likely

[tidal ice]

maybe the chapter will end with him eating it and that'll be the cliffhanger

[merry field]

100% in my eyes

[tranquil blade]

Alright man

[stone tulip]

Not me lol

[tranquil blade]

This is a little bit too much of a downplay

[brittle basin]

loki gets the fruit next chapter or it's all about the hammer next chapter and then we get the fruit the chapter after

[bright torrent]

Yall forgot the hammer i got money loki just fights the hammer and gets to the chest and thats it. I think oda is just got gonna extend this out for 4 chapters

[sturdy steeple]

There’s no way in hell Loki is stronger than Zoro

[stone tulip]

Maybe the upcoming chapter

[prisma idol]

Anything to upscale zoro

[wraith mantle]

zoro is pretty strong

[frigid gulch]

Ye but “supervise” seems to be very lax at this point

For him

[junior glacier]

Azerbaijan

[rose rune]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-ai-sanji-dog-egghead-gif-9747162624495917649

[ashen perch]

hey i'd welcome that honestly

[frigid gulch]

He doesn’t go through it with a microscope

[iron oriole]

Its funny you say that... a friend of mine didn't believe that Zoro had Conq

[stone tulip]

I guess but who knows

[bright torrent]

i just want to know what the fruit is, idc about the one piece

[scenic dirge]

We haven’t had a character’s strength be this hyped up since like Kaido lol. He’s definitely gonna be on par with the emperors and such when we see him at full capacity

[frigid gulch]

Those statements are 100% editor work

[thin quest]

this and the making heart eyes at Bonney makes me so angry

[wraith mantle]

loki being an emperor level

[frigid gulch]

Or whoever are assigned

[stone tulip]

I mean Loki is very likely to be very strong due to amount of hype he is getting right now tbh

[wraith mantle]

two emprors on elbaf vs imu

[muted hedge]

i mean at this point, who isn't an emperor level character

[wraith mantle]

damn these scales are HUGE nowadays

[potent pier]

When the spoiler room openning?

[sturdy steeple]

Yeah but not stronger than Zoro. PERIOD

[scenic dirge]

Yea? Imu is hax

[brittle basin]

Loki is Ida level (better than Emperor).

[junior glacier]

I’m the fruit

[tidal ice]

I headcanon loki as weaker than luffy but stronger than zoro

[stone tulip]

Doubt it

[ashen perch]

When Loki gets Domi Reversi'd, he is going to be as difficult to beat as Kaido for Luffy

[wraith mantle]

valid take

[sturdy steeple]

tbh it all depends on how easy Shanks had it with Loki

[rose rune]

zoro easily holding off two seraphim while sanji needed help against one

[prisma idol]

Xebec got his crewmates through Davy back fights, and the only person we saw him fight outside of a young garling (who has no other feats) is Harald(who has no feats). His only other fight is Domi buffed against Garp and Roger

[wraith mantle]

remember that loki lost to shanks

[flint quiver]

Is it break week?

[ashen perch]

so his real strength is somewhere below

[bright torrent]

disappointment no mi i see

[stone tulip]

Yeah like Shanks beating Loki is implied to be the reason why he became Yonko in the first place

[tranquil blade]

If he 1079's him...

[junior glacier]

It’s still his arc 💔

[sturdy steeple]

Man, Shanks is such an aura farmer that I can’t really imagine him struggle. Especially against Loki, lol

[scenic dirge]

I’d be very surprised if Loki doesn’t appear at least as impressive as Luffy when we first see him in action. Then Luffy probably will look better by the end of the arc coz mc privilege

[tranquil blade]

I might lose it

[iron oriole]

Who got scarred by BB & then ran away to Marijoa

[frigid gulch]

Luffy makes Loki do the Nika dance

[ashen perch]

what if the RHPs just jump him to finish him off quickly

[wraith mantle]

kinda wild that a puny human can defeat one of the strongest, if not the strongest giant

[scenic dirge]

Kino

[thin quest]

[bright torrent]

yes, japan celebrates the commercialized Christmas

[wraith mantle]

fruitless BB

[iron oriole]

Exactly

[stone tulip]

I mean it’s 6 years ago so he might have gotten stronger anyways

[junior glacier]

Yea as soon as u eat it you turn into a Hispanic person

[sturdy steeple]

Oda would be crazy to do that

[prisma idol]

It could happen but it would be funnier if Shanks kidd'd Loki

[thin quest]

the Japanese get KFC on Christmas

[bright torrent]

yup

[sturdy steeple]

Shanks top 1 wouldn’t be a joke anymore

[scenic dirge]

I really need the narrator to tell us that Shanks vs Loki lasted for 3 days or some shit 😭 😭

[sturdy steeple]

Even Kaido cannot do that when he’s serious

[rose rune]

full cinematic imax experience zoro fights vs cardboard cut out sanji

[ashen perch]

truuee

[wraith mantle]

BM vs loki

[ashen perch]

oneshot or the hardest fight of Shanks's life until that point, theres no inbetween

[wraith mantle]

who wins?

[stone tulip]

I think Loki might be first person that we will see give Shanks a proper fight on screen if we see the flashback tbh

[brittle basin]

I would tag Socrates and Sb for 24 hours straight.

[thin quest]

Shanks definitely punked Loki hard

[grand flower]

Shanks cheated with Haki

[bright torrent]

Loki is going to eat the fruit and we are going to see him step up to harald, flash back ends we then have 6 chapters of them climbing to fight IMU

[prisma idol]

Sb wouldnt be able to handle another reckoning like that...

[stone tulip]

The meltdown that would happen…

[hot cairn]

who do you guys think it's stronger, Loki or Zoro?

[bright torrent]

then in 8 chapters we see him transform and fight imu

[stone tulip]

Loki

[bright torrent]

loki

[grand flower]

Loki

[wraith mantle]

probably not, if loki got one shot by shanks he would be humble

but this nigga aint humble

[brittle basin]

https://tenor.com/view/leopold-slikk-agk-angry-german-kid-norman-gif-22475066

[tidal ice]

loki

[scenic dirge]

Oda gonna make it a one shot to conserve panel space

[sturdy steeple]

Zoro 100%

[frigid gulch]

Loki

[iron oriole]

It would be a lot of "Oda is a trash writer" etc etc

[stone tulip]

Already saw that with Kidd man lmao

[stone tulip]

Same as Egghead lmao

[rose rune]

no clue, but I secretly hope it's Loki

[sturdy steeple]

Speaking of Kid

[scenic dirge]

It’s obviously Loki at this point in time lol

[hot cairn]

damn, you the only person who said Zoro lol

[sturdy steeple]

Still no news lol

[prisma idol]

Didn't you hear Zoro solos the verse

[brittle basin]

!zolo

[tropic nova]

“Zolo winz!!!!” -Eiichiro Oda, Jump New Years conference (January 2nd 2005)

[prisma idol]

He is dead

Thats why

[sturdy steeple]

These guys just cannot comprehend the truth

[wraith mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-zoro-vs-king-king-of-hell-one-piece-1062-episode-1062-gif-16340763784012771786

[prisma idol]

But fr he might be healing at Mato's bar

Formerly Ida's bar

[scenic dirge]

Need to see a damned punk
Laser beam come out of nowhere at the most clutch moment

To save Luffy or something

[frigid gulch]

Jika

[sturdy steeple]

I think they’d get his ass thrown out if he tried going anywhere near that bar.

[bright torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/rainbow-spongebob-imagination-gif-2024300603359468440

[stone tulip]

Would be crazy to reveal he is alive tbh

Imagine if we get this but with Loki…

[iron oriole]

And then Luffy eats it & deflects it back at Kid, oneshotting him again

[hot cairn]

hilarious video

[wraith mantle]

does one piece do a lot of "at the last moment, an unexpected character shows up and clutches the fight for the good guys"?

[prisma idol]

He's currently recovering from the most brutal one shot, he's probably still out like a light

[wraith mantle]

i know shanks did it in marineford, but cant think of another example

[sturdy steeple]

If anything Kid is probably chilling somewhere in isolated place. Like an underworld or maybe he found a way to travel to Heaven’s Realm.

[stone tulip]

All time favorite video man

[scenic dirge]

Shanks vs Kid round 137 gonna go hard af

[prisma idol]

Everyone is chilling in the heaven realm

[stone tulip]

Shanks also did that in Wano too

[rose rune]

"Kip!! you came!"
"hehe, now we're even! I never said thank you for taking down Kaido"
"let's fight this demon together"
HYYAAAAAA

[wraith mantle]

oh yeah

[frigid gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-ben-beckman-eustass-kid-gif-14137665205335390845

[wraith mantle]

this nigga really is him

[frigid gulch]

Speed face

[sturdy steeple]

He might be recovering but at this point it’s more of a mental problem, lol.

[bright torrent]

this is first shanks vs kidd, he didnt even fight shanks last time

[scenic dirge]

Holy shit he actually did the face 😭

[frigid gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/speed-ishowspeed-speed-stream-ishowspeed-stream-speed-nod-gif-1082323842437565509

[prisma idol]

Yall arent ready for Kidd vs Shamrock in the final war where kidd mistakes Shamrock as Shanks and gets one shot again hy a move called "Hellish Arrival" or some shit

[sturdy steeple]

It’s possible so why not bring it up, yeah

[stone tulip]

Rayleigh was that and technically Yamato against Ulti when Luffy fought her. Kuma also did it against Saturn too to save Bonney too.

[wraith mantle]

shanks cant die because kidd needs his 3rd rematch

[bright torrent]

Kid neeeds this tho, his mom kinda homeless

[sturdy steeple]

Kid getting back at Garling or Shamrock is cool

[iron oriole]

Yeah Ben Basedman cut Kids arm off with his gun

[stone tulip]

Sabo also did it for Luffy too during Dressrosa

[frigid gulch]

Speed face while thinking about shooting his arm off. What aura

[wraith mantle]

uh i see, but damn oda executes it so much better than that one other anime

[stone tulip]

Depends on which anime really cause other animes has impactful moment that are comparable to One piece’s too especially in modern anime imo.

[grand flower]

In Davy jones locker inheriting more of his ancestors will

[tranquil blade]

Idk if I would count Yamato against Ulti because Luffy would've definitely won that it was just gonna take more effort without Yamato

[sturdy steeple]

Bro 😭

[grand flower]

Iykyk

[bright torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/octavio-holostars-en-armis-ishowspeed-gif-18320942022411491867

[ashen perch]

happened just this arc with Gaban too

[ashen perch]

it actually happens very often, Oda loves doing that

[grand flower]

Yall sleeping on the ghost of Jonah

[iron oriole]

You could argue Shanks vs Kid is a case of it

[ashen perch]

you guys arent prepared for post post TS Kid

[iron oriole]

Shanks had to blitz to Kid to stop the attack at near the last moment

[tranquil blade]

Oda hates Kid unfortunately

[sturdy steeple]

If Oda doesn’t want Kid to appear in Elbaf then at least make that flame mark guy save him.

[ashen perch]

the one that trained at the Heaven Realm of Spirit and Time, for 3 days, that equalled 2 years

[bright torrent]

kid comes back eos

"what did i miss"

the end

[grand flower]

Khalil did you say shanks clutched Mf for the good guys?

Like three major WB pirates died

Jozu lost his arm

[prisma idol]

Surely Louis Arnots words mean something

[grand flower]

WB got his fruit stolen

Koby saved Luffy

[prisma idol]

Surely oda isn't going to leave that plot thread alone

[brittle basin]

https://tenor.com/view/judge-judy-times-up-what-time-is-it-gif-5714654

[ashen perch]

well yes

[tranquil blade]

I remember a user in here tried gaslighting me into thinking Doffy was the one who cut Jozu's arm off

[grand flower]

He did

[sturdy steeple]

Well it’s because he did

Gotta reread that shit, don’t you, Avery

[ashen perch]

I am pretty sure he did yeah

[bright torrent]

yall have some high expectations

[tranquil blade]

I swear it was cause Kuzan froze him

[grand flower]

Nah

[sturdy steeple]

Nope

[grand flower]

Dofy called him a slur then took his arm

[hot cairn]

that's actually what I think will happen to kid

[tranquil blade]

LOOK

[sturdy steeple]

Yeah you can see a string there

[grand flower]

^^

[tranquil blade]

Wait

Keeper were you the one that was lying about this

[grand flower]

The Japanese text literally translates to “damn Dofy fucked this nigga UP”

[tranquil blade]

THERE IS NO STRING THERE

[sturdy steeple]

BROTHER, it’s right there

[tranquil blade]

KEEPER IT WAS YOU

[bright torrent]

oh i see it

[scenic dirge]

Joz

[iron oriole]

Avery blind?

[tranquil blade]

There is no string in that panel

[sturdy steeple]

Oh my gooood, OP fans never beating the poor reading comprehension allegations

[bright torrent]

avery can you really not see it?

[hot cairn]

I dont see a string either

[iron oriole]

Avery needs new eyes

[sturdy steeple]

Avery is trolling so hard

[tranquil blade]

I hate all of you

[bright torrent]

its right there bro

[grand flower]

@steel stirrup @prisma idol @tranquil blade oh another kinda flower relation Sanji has

He and Robin are the SHs who ended up with Revos for the time skip

[iron oriole]

Expected from a G8 skipper tbh

[hot cairn]

bro you really arent going to forgive me for that LOL

[iron oriole]

I told you

Its rent free

I will not get over it

[bright torrent]

!speedreader

[tropic nova]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/164971940648321024/535148418100887562/Lightspeedread.png

[craggy vapor]

who made this? I shat my pants laughing

[clever idol]

Funny af

[rapid ridge]

So I stumbled upon something called a nuckelavee

And you know Evan?

The horse man thingy of the gorosei

It sure looks like it

[iron oriole]

Ah the Gorosei Evan, yes

[rapid ridge]

Wood was onto something

[scenic dirge]

I am a gorosei

Or at least I was

Now I’m just a holy knight

[rapid ridge]

You're already perfect as you are Evan

Ily ❤️

[iron oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/now-kith-mike-tyson-gif-13249709

[scenic dirge]

Ilyt ❤️

[clever idol]

Yall think any hk on elbaph dying?

My money is on sommers

[pulsar timber]

Bum

[scenic dirge]

Sommers maybe but idk probably not

[rapid ridge]

We still don't know how to kill them

[clever idol]

We will obvioysly figure that out

[rapid ridge]

And considering how gaban is either really confused or a rat

[clever idol]

So assume we did

[rapid ridge]

It may not happen

[clever idol]

I doubt that

[sturdy steeple]

Sommers HAS to go

This guy had his fair share

[clever idol]

Sommers better die man

[pulsar timber]

Good bet. Maybe Killingham too but his ability is too cool to just kill him off now

[clever idol]

And then i want lucci to replace him

[pulsar timber]

Sommers can go though yeah

[sturdy steeple]

I’d want both Sommers and Killingham dead though if given the chance but we’ll see.

[rapid ridge]

I agree, junko is quite annoying and has to go

So Imu goes personal (?)

[dense haven]

I want all dead but gunko has the giga plot armor now

[clever idol]

Id want gunko dead of old age reuniting with brook one last time

But that can happen later

[trim lily]

sommers will be like charloss and be the new punching bag

[clever idol]

Good

[trim lily]

he’ll suffer grievous injuries but never die

[sturdy steeple]

My GOAT

[clever idol]

Yall think shamrock returns?

[trim lily]

not to elbaf

[sturdy steeple]

I think there’s no reason for him to return this arc.

[maiden smelt]

No

[sturdy steeple]

I used to think the opposite but yeah, things have changed.

[trim lily]

please don’t bring anyone else here

i dont want another egghead

[scenic dirge]

Actually gunko may die as part of her character arc if it is true that she was basically taken against her will to serve under Imu and she has some final moment of defiance or whatever

[clever idol]

Kid is here somewhere

[tidal ice]

imu is getting exorcised soon and we will move on from elbaf

[trim lily]

oh that’s fine

just no more knights

[rapid ridge]

And is a horrible being that deserves to be snhffed out

[trim lily]

so mean

[formal wagon]

define snhffed

oh h->u

nvm

[trim lily]

sniffed out

[rapid ridge]

Junko must he trashed

Into the shute

Along with other garbage

Ptoo

[clever idol]

Im fine with that

[formal wagon]

like luffy

[clever idol]

Her only redeeming quality is knowing brook

[dense haven]

brook is a holy knight btw

[sturdy steeple]

Gunko was taken young from what we can tell. It’d be a bit too cruel to kill her off without her having the time to really live.

[rapid ridge]

Wtf is her devil fruit even?

This isn't jojo

Gtfo

[clever idol]

I mean.....i feel like thats whats gonna happen she'd be like what 70ish?

[dense haven]

her df is straight out of demon slayer

[tidal ice]

gunko will turn into a granny or ashes after imu is gone

[clever idol]

Probably granny

[dense haven]

knowing oda hes gonna pull some bs and keep her the same age

[clever idol]

Her death will make for some good stuff with brooi

[sturdy steeple]

Well yeah

[clever idol]

We will have another sh invested in taking down the cd

[sturdy steeple]

She hasn’t aged so she will be the same

[steel stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/high-five-oj-haywood-emerald-haywood-daniel-kaluuya-keke-palmer-gif-26726225

[clever idol]

Thats now how it worked with saturn

[steel stirrup]

GOOD SHIT

[clever idol]

Theres a good chance she ages up

[sturdy steeple]

I’m just saying Gunko quite literally wasn’t herself for the past, what, 60-70 years?

[clever idol]

Im aware thats the tragedy of it all

[sturdy steeple]

Uhhhh I don’t think it was his age that killed him

[tidal ice]

i do

[clever idol]

Thats how its illustrated kee0

He turns into a skeleton

Theres no need to do that if its not about age

[sturdy steeple]

Imu can control his pawns any way he likes

[tidal ice]

imu just took away the pact and the time he was having as an immortal was immediately stripped away is my headcanon

[sturdy steeple]

I think he just simply killed the guy by drying him out or what’s the right word

[clever idol]

We dont know the entire extent of that

[hot cairn]

arrow arrow fruit

[clever idol]

Yes maybe he drained his lieforce sure

[rapid ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/savingprivateryan-ww2-old-soldier-matt-damon-gif-4203998

[sturdy steeple]

Yeah, which is why I think it should be taken with a grain of salt.

[clever idol]

I dont buy it

[tidal ice]

could see oda going either way

[sturdy steeple]

Well

[clever idol]

To me their ages catching up with them seems the most likely

[sturdy steeple]

To be honest, that’s something I can see Oda going for

A tragedy where Gunko can at least live freely despite losing most of her lifespan

[clever idol]

To me it makes them entirely more dependent on imu in a way that isnt just pure fear

[dense haven]

tragedy is flashback only

gunko is safe

[sturdy steeple]

But nowadays Oda tries to go for story plots without absolutely cruel endings. Even Kuma is getting fixed.

[clever idol]

If its jusy him draining their life force that works but it makes their respect entirely fear based and less dependent

She probably is

[dense haven]

after he saved every single vegapunk I lost all hope

[sturdy steeple]

Albair, but not every CD with a mark is an old dude

[muted hedge]

we'll see Saturn die next episode

[clever idol]

I know

Garling aged

[sturdy steeple]

I think in general he’s just drying out their lifespans. It makes more sense thematically as they have no free will.

[clever idol]

I think gunko is a special case

[clever idol]

I think both ideas fit thematically but yea the lack of free will thing...m

Lowkey not a huge fan of that

I hope its only a thing for non cd descandents

[craggy vapor]

Imu won’t let her age because Imu needs her body at some point

[clever idol]

Like gunko and harald

Otherwise it puts ppl like shamrock and garling in a position where they too can be absolved of all their crimes

[sturdy steeple]

Isn’t it insane how Oda also handled death in Wano?
Izo and Ashura died and people had no idea before their graves appeared.
Kaido and Big Mom are still the subject of debates.
Hawkins and Orochi were pretty good I guess.

[clever idol]

And if them then potentially all the holy knights and even gorosei

[dense haven]

hawkins and orochi dont count because villains usually get murked the most

[sturdy steeple]

That’s fair but idk, we can see how shitty CDs are without marks.

[dense haven]

izo and ashura was just to fill the quota

[clever idol]

Hes been shown to be able to use saturn too. I think theres another reasob. Imu may just favor her

[dense haven]

kinemon was far more likely to die due to all the shit he went thru

meanwhile izo stubbed his toe and dropped dead

[clever idol]

Oda likes to have his cake and eat it too

[sturdy steeple]

It would honestly pretty cool if Imu used someone from CDs as his body

[dense haven]

he picked the safest options to kill

[sturdy steeple]

Like Garling or Shamrock

[clever idol]

Have all the emotional drama and tragedy of a death but also all the relief of survival

[sturdy steeple]

But at the same time most probably want Imu to have his own cool design

[clever idol]

And tbh. I dont mind it

[craggy vapor]

my guess is that Imu’s body ages and that he needs a fresh body at some point like Orochimaru

[clever idol]

I dont think ive ever actually had issue with any op character surviving some bs

[sturdy steeple]

Brother, Izo is so… I have people telling me they knew Izo died during that scene.
LITERALLY NO ONE THOUGHT THAT HE DIED AFTER THE CHAPTER CAME OUT

I’m being gaslighted

[clever idol]

Ashura doji deserved so much more

[sturdy steeple]

I can see why people would think Ashura died but Izo got hit with something most of the cast brushed off.

[craggy vapor]

Izo is a bum. He just shoots pistols

[clever idol]

And deserted his land

[trim lily]

denjiro should’ve died

izo shouldve lived…

[clever idol]

Imma be honest i dont think any scabbard should have died bcuz theyre needed for the final war. Thats where they can die

Like i imagine oda is gonna kill way more characters and held off for so long bcuz many have a role to play in the final war

[sturdy steeple]

Izo dying works for the Marco’s tragedy but sometimes I think Oda just put their names on the randomiser to pick who to kill.

[clever idol]

If theyre not super important yea

[trim lily]

shuten douji felt like oda picked one at random

[craggy vapor]

russisn roulette

[trim lily]

i don’t think it was even on screen

[clever idol]

He lowkey picked the only two to abandon their duties

[sturdy steeple]

Yeah, they’re just not exactly meaningful or impactful especially with how they were presented.

NO ONE knew Izo died and I don’t want to hear otherwise.

[clever idol]

Shutenmaru became a thief again and izo never tried coming back to help until askes

[clever idol]

Its unfair to say nobody tbh. We r taljing millions of readers

Anyway izo is coming back as a zombie so

[sturdy steeple]

Yeah but that would be equal to pointing a finger in the sky and guessing right.

[hot cairn]

how can you tell someone dies when Oda doesnt kill anyone at this point

[sturdy steeple]

It just wasn’t presented as a convincing death.

[clever idol]

Welcome to reading op

[hazy echo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMt5f8VWxaU

[clever idol]

Ive done that a few times

Jokingly even

[trim lily]

i still don’t get how guernica’s death happened

[sturdy steeple]

Big Mom is dead

[clever idol]

But most ppl did not think izo died

[hazy echo]

Izo’s death was surprising yea

[trim lily]

kaido assumedly killed him but then he had enough life to snap a photo of luffy and send it to the WG

[olive sigil]

I think it would have worked if he at least made us feel bad. The one person who would have made the scene sad, his sister, was never seen mourning his death. I think there were just too many of them to make us really attached. Make Izo Kinemon’s brother and I would at the very least feel bad for the lad

[clever idol]

If bm returns it better be as a terrifying vengeful spirit witch

[iron oriole]

He survived the initial blow, took the G5 pic & died from his wounds

[clever idol]

Sent it to morgans

[hazy echo]

I felt like it would’ve made more sense for the other CP0 agent to take the G5 photo

[clever idol]

Maybe he was also a nika fan like whos who

[hazy echo]

The one that got caught up with the BM Pirates

[stone tulip]

Yeah that too and I have a feeling it will happen after flashback too cause someone else would jump in and either free the straw hats or the children too soon.

Plus there are other examples I missed like Big mom in Wano, Crocodile in Marineford, heck even straw hats themselves had done it before especially Jinbe multiple times plus Zoro and Sanji did it together too and even Robin, Franky, and Brook had these moments once too.

[trim lily]

that would’ve made the most sense

[sonic oasis]

so kawaii

[stone tulip]

Idk, found it on twitter of all places lol

[scenic dirge]

Guernica died. Then came back to life to send a picture. Then died again.

What a chad

[stone tulip]

Like that’s his dying moment I suppose

[blazing depot]

This shit is so corny (not Kai but the quote)

[craggy vapor]

thanks for posting. I stole saved it.

[blazing depot]

Dude is talking about his mental health but your only thoughts are “DURRR ONE PIECE BETTER”

[clever idol]

I agree wirh the qoute fuck kai cenat

[urban lodge]

He still had time to send it to Morgans which is really funny

[olive sigil]

Maybe he awakened his fruit

[stone tulip]

Dang Chopper is real

[stone tulip]

No problem 👍

[clever idol]

Still had time to gossip like "omg look at this!!"

[iron oriole]

Its like if you got stabbed, depending on where ofc, its not gonna kill you instantly... granted this case is blunt force trauma so more likely to kill you instantly but still believeable to survive the initial hit but die later on

[blazing depot]

I’m not a big fan of Kai but this whole thing shows how no one, especially male centered communities, frown upon mental health and mock it. Like remember Etika and more recently Lamar Wilson?

[muted hedge]

https://x.com/otteruimy_/status/2003370088209219800/photo/1

pow (@otteruimy_)

daS how i finish it aND ALSO THE TYPO LMAOLLL IMS0RRY #ONEPIECE #illustration #shanks #shamrock

X · Dec 23, 2025, 7:40 AM

[stone tulip]

He didn’t even say anything that slandered one piece lmao

[untold latch]

Spoilers have released no?

[blazing depot]

Worstgen hints which fucking suck and are stuoid

[clever idol]

Im assuming this tweet is within a series of tweets discussing his mental health? Otherwise im not following

[craggy vapor]

you think this is corny cuz you’re too closeminded. Be better. A psychologist I know actually used Naruto references in his teachings.

[sturdy steeple]

Oh yeah, that’s why I am saying presentation mattered here. Both for their deaths and aftermath.
Like things with Kiku mourning for her brother and, idk, Zoro visiting Yasuie’s grave are just skipped altogether.

[blazing depot]

I AGREE WITH KAI the other guy is corny

[stone tulip]

I think he may have been bleeding after Kaido’s attack due to spikes so he may died due to broken bones and blood loss

[iron oriole]

Most likely

[dense haven]

the bath scene was more important to kiku than mourning her brother

[iron oriole]

Broken bones, stab wounds from the spikes, internal bleeding from the blow etc

[craggy vapor]

I’m sorry. I will do better at reading.

[stone tulip]

Hell even I had seen people talk about one piece especially Luffy on how he saved them from depression too

[untold latch]

chat

[honest garden]

🤫

[untold latch]

broooo

[wraith mantle]

we actually getting a chapter thisz week?

[honest garden]

All things will be dealt with accordingly...

[stone terrace]

Its just an op fan trolling a naru****

[honest garden]

I think just early spoilers

[stone tulip]

Maybe

[stone terrace]

Nothing to see here

[untold latch]

I need to push my agenda soon

[wraith mantle]

uh so tcb wont be able to release this week

rip

guess i am gonna read spoilers

[stone tulip]

That explains the early arguments then lmao

[stone tulip]

Usually happens with magazines breaks

[untold latch]

im king now btw

js so yk

[stone tulip]

Sure lol

[untold latch]

i cant say anything apparently but I'm ur king now

[wraith mantle]

i see

[craggy vapor]

yeah I would never make fun of people liking an anime or other stuff. You never know the context. Sadly couple people here mocked me for liking Life is Strange even tho that game made me a bettee person

[untold latch]

Bro Oda deserves the world fr

[olive sigil]

We even saw her during choptir casually bathing. Like Oda knew she existed and just went nope, I won’t show her mourning

[untold latch]

I'd give oda the world

[stone tulip]

Those who mocked people for liking fictional stories especially when it’s animated or drawn don’t understand how fiction can affect reality sometimes.

[stone tulip]

Kinda bothered me ngl