also-manga

[ashen perch]

some time just passed between those panels, thats all, he didnt forget lol

[wraith mantle]

they aint that top tier

[dense rapids]

Who caused the haki then

[shadow vault]

Holy shit Loki and shirahosi literally world destruction

[sage temple]

That's kinda hard to assume

[shadow vault]

Loki is land and shirahosi is sea

[unique lagoon]

its the when they will be born part
thats the argument

[sage temple]

Oda could be trying to display what exactly caused the haki

[pine scaffold]

Mosa = Shirahoshi

[ashen perch]

its sillier to assume that he drew that ridiculous black lightning display and forgot about it in the next panel

[sage temple]

Maybe because it already dispersed

[shadow vault]

We only know about Pluton and Poseidon location right but not Uranus?

[ashen perch]

thats not how it works...

[frigid gulch]

Usually the lightning is present close to the characters in a clash

So idk

[sage temple]

True

Although haki wasn't drawn

They still did clash

That's what's definitive

So

🤷‍♂️

[pine scaffold]

I think the most likely scenario is the correct one

it was the clash

[ashen perch]

yeah, its supposed to come off the clash, thats how Oda has ALWAYS drawn clash lightning, he is atleast consistent there

[sage temple]

Yeah

[pine scaffold]

we are over complicating shit here

[frigid gulch]

Let’s be real

It’s just a medium to get Shanks and Gaban there

[sage temple]

Lots of firsts with Loki recently

[pine scaffold]

tbh probably

[sage temple]

?

[ashen perch]

its just not his

[dense rapids]

I’m going with he forgot to draw the lightning

[pine scaffold]

hes basically saying the reason the haki was drawn is to get gaban and shanks attention to go there

[sage temple]

Same I'll wait for the volume

[pine scaffold]

but its still from the clash

[dense rapids]

Like the haki doesn’t make sense if it isn’t the clash

[ashen perch]

I cant think of a single Haki clash where he forgot to draw the lightning, he has forgotten hardening a lot of times but lightning is one thing he never misses

[sage temple]

They're currently at the house when the Haki spreads

[frigid gulch]

What I’m saying is the lightning is used to inform Shanks and Gaban that something is going on

Also..

[dense rapids]

Imu didn’t a appear, a holy knight didn’t teleport in, Harald isn’t fighting anyone else

[sage temple]

Must've been a first

[pine scaffold]

Yeah Ik

[ashen perch]

if its not happened before, its not happening again

[frigid gulch]

Didn’t Gaban call it an “abnormal” haki

[unique lagoon]

heres how it looks like them teleporting

[frigid gulch]

Loki’s shouldn’t be abnormal

[sage temple]

I also can't think of a single Domi Reversi victim where they have a devil fruit

[dense rapids]

People said that about Gunko and her family name

[shadow vault]

After the haki lightning panel they literally showed harald and Loki clash 100% it came out from the clash

[ashen perch]

you can wait for the volume release too, thats fine

[sage temple]

If it's not happened before, it's not happening again 🤷‍♂️

[frigid gulch]

I don’t think Oda is gonna “correct” it lol

[ashen perch]

because there is nothing to correct, that was my point

you can wait for the volume release, nothings gonna change

[dense rapids]

I was a believer of “Oda didn’t forget Gunko name” and got bamboozled

He forgot

[sage temple]

I think it's pretty redundant that Haki would just be spread like at random

[frigid gulch]

Yea I agree

[sage temple]

Especially since Harald is trying to keep this a secret

He's trying to kill them

[wraith mantle]

see arsal why in the hell are you so confident about this

[pine scaffold]

why would Harald all of a sudden do that anyway

[wraith mantle]

this could very well be a mistake

[sage temple]

^

[dense rapids]

If the clash was a couple panels later I could see it not coming from it

But they sense the haki and it’s literally the next panel

[wraith mantle]

and its lowkey kinda weird their clash didn't have haki streaks, especially since it was highlighted in the very previous panel

[pine scaffold]

the anime is gonna make it look like its from the clash

mark my words

[wraith mantle]

its just all a bit weird

[ashen perch]

I am just looking at the timing and order of these panels, its very clear that they are unrelated

[sage temple]

-# Also why not use that "If it's not happened before, it's not happening again" philosophy for Domi Reversi

[dense rapids]

What caused the haki then

[ashen perch]

Harald lol

[hoary steppe]

Why bro text is small

[unique lagoon]

maybe oda was like
ey i added castle haki already
so not adding haki in the clash should be fine for the readers they get it

[red lagoon]

Why ur shit mini nigga

[sage temple]

Don't mind it

[pine scaffold]

why would Harald randomly release haki for no reason

[sage temple]

Why would he do that

[ashen perch]

its emanating from him, like the Gorosei and HKs all have unearthly presences

[pine scaffold]

thats kinda dumb

[sage temple]

Harald is trying to keep that incident a secret

"What happens here will die with you"

[pine scaffold]

Yeah Harald is making sure nothing about whats going on leaves the castle

[digital spear]

Shanks 14 years ago vs Shanks 13 years ago, I like how he had his timeskip moment here where his design changes (he grows a beard)

[sage temple]

That's not sensible

[pine scaffold]

hes killing everyone on sight

He doesnt want ANYONE knowing

[ashen perch]

it doesnt matter, the HKs and Gorosei all have this type of Haki coming off from them

its probably due to the Imu connection

[unique lagoon]

also only gaban noticed the teleportation haki btw

[sage temple]

They don't just have it passively spreading like this

[ashen perch]

they do lol

[dense rapids]

Shanks Holy Land-Elbaph arc was his 2 year timeskip

[sage temple]

No they don't

[pine scaffold]

They only have it like that when they arrived

but Harald was here

he didnt arrive lol

[red lagoon]

Wait whatt where I miss this being said

[frigid gulch]

I think it’s the same thing as Imu. Why does he emit haki every time he drops in somewhere

[sage temple]

Also why compare a HK to a Gorosei

They have different bonds

[ashen perch]

Gunko and Shamrock had to suppress theirs, because it emanates from them

[sage temple]

That's illogical

[dense rapids]

None of the holy knights radiated haki except Gunko when Imu took over her body

[unique lagoon]

my point is the giants outside the castle the village is too dumb to notice haki

[dense rapids]

Harald isn’t being taken over

[sage temple]

That isn't Haki though

[ashen perch]

??

[dense rapids]

Am I forgetting something?

[sage temple]

^

[red lagoon]

Is that not just hiding there presence?

[pine scaffold]

Yeah hes just evil

[sage temple]

They don't passively radiate Haki at all

Maybe the Gorosei

But not the HK

[dense rapids]

Gaban sensed the haki when they teleported in

They weren’t radiating it like gunkmu

[unique lagoon]

nah gunko mentioned about hiding Prescence

[sage temple]

Gaban sensed voices

Not Haki

[ashen perch]

Gaban references it twice, for the HKs. Then uses the exact same term for the haki that radiated from the castle

[frigid gulch]

The teleportation is different

[digital spear]

A lot of changes during that time
15 years ago: Blackbeard scars him and he goes from pirate to holy knight
14 years ago: He goes back to pirate
13 years ago: He grows a beard
12 years ago: He loses his arm and gives away his strawhat

[ashen perch]

come on lol

[dense rapids]

Same thing

[frigid gulch]

I think Harald emitted it from his body

[red lagoon]

It thought that was just to make it harder to sense them with obs

[frigid gulch]

But it bears the same abnormality

[sage temple]

Not really

[unique lagoon]

let me double check the wording

[frigid gulch]

Because he’s a knight

[pine scaffold]

Why do we never see Harald do that again then

[shadow vault]

Shanks really cant take a break

[hoary steppe]

Charge yo phone

[frigid gulch]

As I said earlier, part of Oda including that was to get Shanks and Gaban there

[hoary steppe]

Kek

[ashen perch]

these all mean the exact same thing

[pine scaffold]

I C

[red lagoon]

Has there been another case or mention of someone suppressing their presence?

[sage temple]

Why switch from Haki to voices

[red lagoon]

I just took it as them making it harder to sense them with obs

[sage temple]

As if they're different

[dense rapids]

It’s the same thing

[unique lagoon]

iirc rayleigh mentioned it during luffys training

[digital spear]

Yes?

[ashen perch]

Socrates they are the same, its an interchangeable term

like mantra and haki

[dense rapids]

Another reason I believe Socrates started reading one piece in Elbaph

[ashen perch]

lmao

[dense rapids]

screenshots

[hoary steppe]

Not you

[dense rapids]

I will gather all the proof and expose you

[unique lagoon]

either way gabans OBS is very powerful he still noticed them

[ashen perch]

but yea, the Haki is abnormal because its coming off of HK Harald

the Imu element probably like

[unique lagoon]

wait maybe he dint

[ashen perch]

corrupts it or something

[red lagoon]

Idk if this in the manga but I found this online

[unique lagoon]

gaban lost track of them after leaving the castle

[pine scaffold]

ngl Harald getting his haki boosted by Imu does check out

[unique lagoon]

yeah something like thi too lazy to find panel

[pine scaffold]

Imu said the HK get a strength buff

which means haki too

[ashen perch]

yeah, theres something that Imu does to everybody's haki

Oda hasnt explained it so far yet

[unique lagoon]

ngl im just going to overestimate the limit of imus power
and just say imu can buff your haki

[ashen perch]

but "unearthly presence" "overwhelming presence" "abnormal voice" "abnormal presence" "abnormal haki" its been used consistently for the HKs and Gorosei

[sage temple]

Then how come they don't sense it the second he comes back

[ashen perch]

presence/voice/haki all interchangeable

[sage temple]

If it's a voice, then it's continuous

How come this only happens at once

And not when Harald comes back

Since he's a Holy Knight from the second he got on Elbaph for the last time, to his death

[unique lagoon]

maybe you need voice of all things to consistently track someone hiding their haki

[ashen perch]

I think because Imu was actively trying to override his mind

[muted hedge]

https://x.com/thre0n/status/2002519812531191827/photo/1

𝐓𝐡𝐫𝐞𝐨𝐧 (@thre0n)

#ONEPIECE

X · Dec 20, 2025, 11:21 PM

[pine scaffold]

Harald hasnt went all out yet

no acoc haki used

[red lagoon]

Did the jump fest op announcement happen yet

[pine scaffold]

and hes already causing issues for everyone

[unique lagoon]

yeah herald is just starting

[ashen perch]

like 7 hours

lemme check

[pine scaffold]

I think this is where he decides to lock in

[sage temple]

That's kinda silly though

[unique lagoon]

we dont even know how long that whole scenario took

[sage temple]

Imu isn't actively overriding the minds of every HK though

At least it doesn't seem that way

[ashen perch]

do we know that

[sage temple]

No we don't

[red lagoon]

We don’t know but the Hk’s are cds so they bad ppl anyways

[ashen perch]

it seems to be the case with Gunko atleast

[red lagoon]

So I doubt he is

[sage temple]

Yeah

Most of them at least

[red lagoon]

Ye she seem the special case

[digital spear]

Honestly I hope we see some introspection of Lokis character what Harald means to him and how hard it is for him to kill his father

[sage temple]

Yeah but as you posted:

There are more

[red lagoon]

Lowkey maybe for killingham cause how his fish man ass become a hk

[unique lagoon]

well loki is a tsundere

ofc he loves his dad

[ashen perch]

oh yeah definitely, but theres a trace of Imu's bond there in all of them

[sage temple]

And as you also said, they wanted to hide their presences, also meaning voices

[red lagoon]

Killingham like a black man at a kkk rally

[digital spear]

He is, there was a little build up to him warming up to his father, even if he didnt like Harald turning to WG

[ashen perch]

I am sure they are all influenced by Imu's haki to some extent

[sage temple]

Exactly, so how come its only evident at this moment

[ashen perch]

also honestly I am reading this again, and Gaban and Shanks do make it to Aurust a little too quickly

[dense rapids]

Imu tied his haki in the holy knights via the mark

Joy boy tied his haki in the rope knots

[ashen perch]

so some of that conversation could also be happening a bit earlier than the other scene

[pine scaffold]

Tbh old Gaban got to Gunko super fast as well

he was sprinting after beating Sommers

[unique lagoon]

theres def some time moving forward stuff between panels
its almost impossible to tell sometime

[dense rapids]

Killingham redemption arc soon

[red lagoon]

If gaban meant to be sanji type character make sense he fast af

[ashen perch]

eh true, but Elbaf's huge and that wasnt close to being the same distance at all

[pine scaffold]

Gaban and Shanks are fast

it is what it is

[red lagoon]

Yee that’s how I see it

[sage temple]

This makes that a little more silly though

[red lagoon]

We see sanji going over huge distances hella fast so imagine what gaban and shanks doing

[unique lagoon]

maybe they used a speedboat

[ashen perch]

I guess yea, its just down to them being ultra fast

[red lagoon]

Maybe shanks and gaban threw each other

[unique lagoon]

its actually ripley that threw them like a ball

big boost

[pine scaffold]

look at this shit LOL

holy fuck

THATS OLD GABAN

[dense rapids]

This is the only time we see a holy knight radiate haki

Imu didn’t take over Harald

[unique lagoon]

you think this means
"oh shit its the same haki from GV"

[ashen perch]

idk what to tell you Socrates, the haki that was sensed from the castle was specifically the HKs type of haki, an abnormal Haki. Doesnt matter when it emanated from him at all.

[ashen perch]

or same type as Aurust

did he pay attention to GV

when Imu appeared

[sage temple]

This could be a mix of Loki and Harald's Haki in a clash

[unique lagoon]

imu was puking out haki in GV ye?

[sage temple]

Only when they transformed

[ashen perch]

yea, but I dont think we got a reaction from him

[sage temple]

Exactly

That too

[unique lagoon]

do we really need to see everything tho
aint an AOE blast enough

[ashen perch]

true true

[unique lagoon]

this was imu

[ashen perch]

Oda's been really consistent with lightning lately, I cant remember the last time he made a mistake

[unique lagoon]

bonus funny garling panel

[pine scaffold]

ROCKS!!!!!

Garling is so embarrassing bruh

[ashen perch]

Haki lightning mistake spice...

[pine scaffold]

hes never recovering from this

idc if hes stronger present day lmao

too bad

[sage temple]

Lots of firsts with Loki recently

[pine scaffold]

he was a holy knight and still lost

miserably

[dense rapids]

He’s about to get demolished by Blackbeard or Dragon

[pine scaffold]

BB

https://tenor.com/view/blackbeard-blackbeard-writing-taking-notes-writing-gif-17583038544116987898

revenge for Xebec

[ashen perch]

he even zoomed in to ensure that BM had a thick ass lightning streak on that Ikoku

[pine scaffold]

No character used haki this chapter

[dense rapids]

Zeus just in GV and not telling anyone anything

[pine scaffold]

right?

[final trench]

🤾🏾‍♂️ 🏀 the score will change

[pine scaffold]

like not even Shanks and Gaban used haki

[unique lagoon]

bm and kaido was also spreading haki around

[pine scaffold]

but... why??????

[ruby moat]

damn that's actually a crazy thick lightning bolt

[pine scaffold]

like why wouldnt you use it

[ruby moat]

for the size of big mom there

[dense rapids]

Prime Mom

[ashen perch]

yea

[dense rapids]

Well not even her prime

Still a few years to go

[pine scaffold]

u dont wanna say this dawg

this makes her look terrible

😭

[ashen perch]

its far from her prime

we know that

[pine scaffold]

dont forget the Garp incident

[dense rapids]

Not really

[pine scaffold]

THIS CANT EVEN COOK A PRIME RIB LINLIN

[dense rapids]

Garp is Garp

[sage temple]

This could just come from an attack

[ruby moat]

its kinda wild how good oda was making garp look during god valley

[final trench]

The monkey clan is fire resistant

[sage temple]

Oda's getting old

🤷‍♂️

[pine scaffold]

Rocks and Garp MVPS

[unique lagoon]

still funny rereading this

[ruby moat]

not just like power wise he was also throwing in lines making his moral compass and shit look better

[dense rapids]

Demon of the Seas

[red lagoon]

I lowkey forgot bout that

[pine scaffold]

bro the holy knights are such a joke besides Harald

Harald is the only strong one

[final trench]

Yea i dont blame garp for staying in the marines now

[pine scaffold]

😭

[dense rapids]

Gunko?

[pine scaffold]

nah she got possessed by Imu

[dense rapids]

People gonna keep sleeping on Gunko

[pine scaffold]

so doesnt count

[frigid gulch]

Why you hyping up Harald now

[dense rapids]

She took out half of a Yonko crew solo before that?

[frigid gulch]

I knew it

[pine scaffold]

keep it a secret

[unique lagoon]

all the dmg dealt to them in GV was kinda comical if you think about it

[pine scaffold]

the weakest ones

[dense rapids]

Still a Yonko crew

[pine scaffold]

and yeah Jinbe is weak

[ashen perch]

HK Knight Harald still losing to WB and BM, maybe he can be top 3 though depending on where Mihawk is at already

[dense rapids]

Alright Arsal

[pine scaffold]

HK harald is not losing to Big Mom man

[frigid gulch]

Mihawk ain’t a knight

[pine scaffold]

BM CANT EVEN BYPASS REGEN

😂

[unique lagoon]

good call back from oda

[pine scaffold]

She cant do shit lmaoooo

[tough dust]

?

[red lagoon]

Shamrock Finna carry the hk

[ashen perch]

you really do just hate women

[frigid gulch]

She can

[ashen perch]

cause WB has not been shown to bypass regen either

but you focused on BM

[pine scaffold]

oh yeah he cant either

[frigid gulch]

I think she hit Saturn

[sage temple]

Good lightning stuff

[red lagoon]

We ain’t seen anyone do it yet

[pine scaffold]

NO BOTH CANT WIN

[frigid gulch]

Saturn’s regen was slowed in GV

[ashen perch]

anyways, anyone can bypass regen with ACoC, its just a matter of figuring it out

[red lagoon]

We ain’t seen anyone bypass the regen yet

[frigid gulch]

After the combined attack

[pine scaffold]

nope, Gaban cant put down holy knights

[unique lagoon]

like look at this? add what happened with maffei and garling
its all pretty funny

[ashen perch]

they both would figure it out

[red lagoon]

Only slightly halt it

[frigid gulch]

I think we will know soon

[sage temple]

Nobody has..?

[dense rapids]

Anyone can kill someone with regen as well

You just have to put all your mass into it

[frigid gulch]

What conquerors can do

[pine scaffold]

the best BM can do is slow down the regen

[sage temple]

Except Loki nobody's bypassed regen

[strong wadi]

Bypassing Regen by justing using more ACoC 🧘‍♂️

[frigid gulch]

If it’s a mass thing

[pine scaffold]

but thats not gonna work for long 😄

[sage temple]

And Joyboy ofc

[dense rapids]

Did you not read god valley?

[ashen perch]

He can't or he just didnt? theres a difference

[ruby moat]

im still not a fan of how this played out between sommers and rayleigh. Sommers should have gotten more fucked up, not just thrown through a wall in a comical way

[tough dust]

did domi rocks not exist lol

[pine scaffold]

if he could, why didnt he????

like thats a huge oversight if he could

[dense rapids]

Bro must’ve skipped that fight

[sage temple]

Buggy can you shut the fuck up if you're not going to explain where that happens

[ruby moat]

roger and garp bypassed domi rocks regen 👍

[ashen perch]

I think he was in a hurry to win and save the children and the library, thats all

[sage temple]

Har har reed haeh bro just read the story hah

[dense rapids]

Why do I have to explain Garp and Roger vs Rocks?

[sage temple]

Thank you Garp

[dense rapids]

Literally just happened

[red lagoon]

I think domi reverse regen is different to the hk and gorosei regen

[sage temple]

You don't have to explain

I wasnt even asking you

[ashen perch]

Gaban basically clearly says that ACOC can be used to make these HKs mortal, why is this even in denial

[pine scaffold]

Rocks couldnt take down Garling either

[dense rapids]

Fraud Socrates doesn’t actually read one piece

[ruby moat]

me? garp? 😳

[dense rapids]

He just searches the wiki for anything connected to Loki

[sage temple]

I mean Bart

[frigid gulch]

The Rocks bit is tricky because they channelled all their mass into their attacks specifically because of the conquerors armour

[ashen perch]

again, couldnt or just didnt?

[ruby moat]

ill take garp too

[frigid gulch]

But I’m pretty sure conquerors undid Reversi anyway

So it doesn’t matter

[pine scaffold]

Dude if Rocks could kill Garling, he 100% would have man

why would he let the dude live

[dense rapids]

He didn’t put all his mass into it

[sage temple]

Did Rocks have regen?

I dont think so

[ashen perch]

he was also in a hurry, trying to escape

[dense rapids]

Literally did

[pine scaffold]

HK regen is stronger than domi reversi

[tough igloo]

cause Imu/Saturn showed up and Garling was down

[pine scaffold]

Rocks killed the davy demons

but not Garling

[red lagoon]

That’s what I think

[pine scaffold]

please dont ignore this

[ashen perch]

all Domi Reversi'd demons have regen

[red lagoon]

There 2 different tiers

[sage temple]

Where does he regenerate like the HKs

[pine scaffold]

Holy knight contracts are better than domi reversi

[dense rapids]

He was regenerating during the fight….

[pine scaffold]

because its perm

[red lagoon]

The regen the hk and gorosei have I think is not the same domi reversal people have

[pine scaffold]

u cant stop the contract

but u can stop domi reversi

[frigid gulch]

They don’t have regen

[ruby moat]

The way i see it is like this. We've seen ACOC slow down HK regen, with the stronger the ACOC fucking them up more. I think if rocks had taken his time to do something like, cut garling in half, then throw his torso on one part of the island, and his legs on another side, garling would have maybe died.

[red lagoon]

Did we not see dorry regen his hand after imu shot it off

[frigid gulch]

Nope

[pine scaffold]

nope

[frigid gulch]

It’s just floating

[dense rapids]

Literally regenerating

[ruby moat]

or like if rocks were to decapitate garling then cut the decapitated head into a bunch of pieces

garling may not come back from that

[pine scaffold]

the HK regen is just stronger

Rocks KILLED Davy demons

but not Garling

this isnt cuz he was in a rush

[frigid gulch]

Likely a mistake

[pine scaffold]

he just wasnt able to

[frigid gulch]

He is missing the tooth here

[red lagoon]

Yo why his shit floating fr

[frigid gulch]

And the blood is there

[sage temple]

That just isnt regen bro it's likely a mistake

[ruby moat]

wait lol thats wild

[pine scaffold]

thats a mistake

[dense rapids]

Touché didn’t notice that

[red lagoon]

I though it regenerated

[sage temple]

Still, no regen

[red lagoon]

How tf his hand flying

[red lagoon]

Man what kinda bs is domi reversi

[frigid gulch]

“I’m glad you stopped me”

[ruby moat]

are the garp and roger attacks against rocks the strongest attacks we've seen in the entire series

[frigid gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/its-peak-old-man-shaking-head-gif-3938163323164042530

[red lagoon]

Ye I think so

[dense rapids]

Bandung Gun

[tawny panther]

yeah i would say so

[tough dust]

dorry finna have no hand 🤣

[red lagoon]

Bruh

[sage temple]

Look I'm you: Har har lol read the story jajaja lol dude reads the wiki

[strong wadi]

in a 1v1 sense, maybe.

[ashen perch]

made it clearer I think

[ruby moat]

what else would come close, bajrang gun?

[frigid gulch]

needs a few more circles

[ruby moat]

i think thats about it

[pine scaffold]

Domi Reversi vs Holy knight contracts:

Domi Reversi is a forced contract, weaker regen

Holy knight is a natural contract, stronger regen

[ashen perch]

you think so?

[pine scaffold]

this is how I see it

[red lagoon]

Can u next time make a red arrow to point at the reds circle

[dense rapids]

Shush fraud

[sage temple]

Loki is the only one that has portrayed to have the ability to do it

[tawny panther]

Roger & Garp at 40 using all their haki combined into 1 attack .. i would say is stronger than bajrang gun

[sage temple]

His shadows were controlled?

[frigid gulch]

Probably not a bad bet yea

[strong wadi]

Yeah bajrang is just really strong because of all the mass behind it + the haki, plus maybe luffy did put all his "mass" into it

[pine scaffold]

yes due to mass

those attacks would blow holes through even Kaido

[pine scaffold]

they are that potent

[frigid gulch]

What about Rocks’ ultimate attack

With maximum mass

[ashen perch]

gotcha gotcha

[ruby moat]

I hope we see something like a more compressed bajrang gun from lufy. something with the power but without the size.

[red lagoon]

Finally I can read it

[pine scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/heheheheheheha-gif-12671258225278515125

[sage temple]

I wonder how Loki did it

[strong wadi]

We probably will soon enough this arc.

[sage temple]

He gotta teach the SHs how to

[frigid gulch]

We only got Pandemonium

[ruby moat]

🙏

[pine scaffold]

this is a cool name

[dense rapids]

[ruby moat]

i still dont rly like bajrang gun

[frigid gulch]

Or “Curse of the Abyss”

[dense rapids]

Both hit hard

Pandemonium capitol of hell

Curse of the Abyss = Davy jones curse

[frigid gulch]

I would’ve liked to see it stand alone but

[hazy echo]

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FixupX · Dec 20, 2025, 12:07 AM

[frigid gulch]

It is what it is

[red lagoon]

Why

[dapper tree]

no

[tawny panther]

maybe that’s Oda way of saying only Imu was strong enough to get a named attack from him lol

[sage temple]

Well clearly just using CoC didnt work

[red lagoon]

These red arrows and red circles are so helpful

[frigid gulch]

More arrows

[sage temple]

So there's a specific reason

[red lagoon]

Shoutout whoever created red arrows and circles

[sage temple]

Which is what I'm fucking asking about

[dapper tree]

worst invention in history

[red lagoon]

Woah woah whoah

[dapper tree]

made by youtubers

[unique lagoon]

is this really just the birth of the 4 yonkos well 3 i guess

[ashen perch]

I think its something you look at within the context, Gaban is clearly talking about ACoC

[ruby moat]

A few reasons. for one, it's just a big punch, which I don't find very exciting. Second, i think it's an underwhelming conclusion to the kaido fight after we just saw a bunch of crazy creative shit from luffy in g5. Finally, I think it just looks lame in use. It moves super slow and just doesnt feel like it has much "umph"

[red lagoon]

Red box???!? Downvote

[pine scaffold]

Harald knows the weakness

why would he lie here

[dapper tree]

no red circles or arrows

[hazy echo]

The deep sea mark thing is the Achilles heel mark my words

[unique lagoon]

ill make it triangle next time

[dense rapids]

Maybe Ragnir draws out Haki

[red lagoon]

What’s that mean

[frigid gulch]

Like I said, we’ll see soon. I always thought Gaban’s dialogue was too confident for a power that only slows down regen

[dapper tree]

oden haki all over again

[red lagoon]

U monster

[sage temple]

Now this is how you do it Arsal

[frigid gulch]

That’s not really a counter

[hazy echo]

You haven’t heard of Achilles Heel before?

[pine scaffold]

I dont think Gaban knows what hes saying

[dense rapids]

No like the reverse of Oden

[frigid gulch]

So I always thought when it came to the Knights

[red lagoon]

No

[frigid gulch]

Gaban was just in too much of a rush

[ruby moat]

U mean like if they chop off the body part with the seal they lose the power? this seems plausible especially with shanks losing his arm early on

[frigid gulch]

The library was burning

[ashen perch]

mine has more soul to it

[frigid gulch]

Kids etc

[ashen perch]

clean squares are corporate slop or something

[red lagoon]

Lowkey kinda boring way to beat it

But then again so is just conq haki

[hazy echo]

It’s basically like Achilles being fully invulnerable except for his heel which was his weak spot

[red lagoon]

Oooo

[warm falcon]

achilles's heel is a crucial weakness. permit me explain, shreeder

[frigid gulch]

I’m not sure if that works with the Deep Sea pact and above

But for the Shallow one seemingly it does

[hazy echo]

So specifically attacking the deep sea mark to defeat the HKs in this case

[dapper tree]

TRUE

[ashen perch]

this was so good, cant wait for more of this from Master Gaban

[ruby moat]

It could be a way for those without conq to put up a fight

[warm falcon]

ah so u mean like almost exactly as the original tale

[hazy echo]

Yeah

[frigid gulch]

Do we assume they all get the mark in the same spot

[red lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/queen-diva-fierce-celine-titanic-gif-14690554956546359054

[unique lagoon]

you guys think gaban is sleeping the whole arc now?

[frigid gulch]

I imagine it’s up to them

[final trench]

RNS what was mihawk teaching him

[sage temple]

Gaban scolding him like a 16 year old Loki didn't carry

[red lagoon]

It’s all I can hope for🫢🫢

[sage temple]

What a hypocrite

[frigid gulch]

But Gunko got blasted to bits

[dense rapids]

Gonna stay in the underworld with chopper

[ruby moat]

Power of love is of course the optimal solution it’s just a matter of Oda having the nuts

[frigid gulch]

Unless it doesn’t count

[pine scaffold]

Aura.

[warm falcon]

some got the mark on compromising areas

[dense rapids]

I think some other crew is gonna appear in the underworld while everyone is fighting Imu

[red lagoon]

Oda better pull through

[final trench]

Shakky was a quick replacement for the power of love

[red lagoon]

The power of love has been mentioned for so many arcs

[final trench]

Might happen

[red lagoon]

AND ITS FINNALLY TIME

HE BETTER NOT FLAKE OUT

[final trench]

And it was mentioned in egghead via kuma

[dapper tree]

SANJI CLEARS

[unique lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-eustass-kid-captain-kid-gif-14443657898687675676

[ruby moat]

Please Oda have gaban teach Sanji how to use the power of love

[final trench]

https://tenor.com/view/canaryprincess-canary-princess-beapercolator-lucious-lyon-empire-gif-14625071728581604196

[warm falcon]

love is like a hurricane

[dense rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-cross-guild-egghead-galdino-galdino-one-piece-gif-7392918145727141907

[red lagoon]

Sanji told us nothing holds a candle to love

[frigid gulch]

Deep Deep Sea mark probably has whatever that is on the other side

[unique lagoon]

[frigid gulch]

Of the circle

[final trench]

And sommers uses love of evil

Its only right sanji uses it for good

[red lagoon]

Love has been mentioned so many times for it to be just a thing people say

[unique lagoon]

Kidd pirates show up
crossguild showsup
hell add law there

[ruby moat]

I had some actual theory about power of love and how it could actually be integrated into haki but I’m kinda too lazy to type it out again

[final trench]

Nah i think the kidd pirates should be dead (for kidds development)

[red lagoon]

No no no

Type it.

[final trench]

A subset of haki maybe

[dense haven]

love > kizaru

[pine scaffold]

Basic punch and launched 3 giants

[inner agate]

https://tenor.com/view/vinsmoke-romeo-vinsmoke-romeo-one-piece-sanji-gif-11861006376374880444

[unique lagoon]

why the eyebrows glitching out

[dense haven]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-ai-sanji-dog-egghead-gif-9747162624495917649

[dense rapids]

Btw Harald getting tied to the pillar is what we’re gonna see the Elbaph giants do to Loki

[red lagoon]

Use this button

[unique lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/hideo-kojima-clapping-laughing-the-game-awards-expedition-33-gif-17408528251384843273

[final trench]

I wonder if we’ll ever see bro

[warm falcon]

how much buffed he is?

[ruby moat]

Simply put, haki comes from willpower, “power of love” could be haki that comes from willpower that exists because of love

[pine scaffold]

Huge buff

hes got regen now

and increased power

[dapper tree]

easy feat

[ruby moat]

Or the willpower to save someone close to you, or save someone in general, etc

[pine scaffold]

stepped on the head of a giant and their head is mush

[warm falcon]

i hope the elders' coc haki is not borrowed

[unique lagoon]

if power of love exist
then surely power of hate exist also

[red lagoon]

Doubt it’s borrowed

[warm falcon]

good thing

[dense rapids]

This is what the power of love created

[dapper tree]

Ya know guys, the holy knights really do be frauds even with regen and a huge power buff they still like yonko commander level. Minus harold of course

[ruby moat]

While most haki comes from the willpower to fight or attack or whatever, power of love haki would come from the willpower to save someone or protect someone etc

[warm falcon]

they are descendents of kings anyway

[dapper tree]

but he's dead

[ruby moat]

That’s kinda the rough idea

[warm falcon]

so the COC is the minimal

[pine scaffold]

Harald is the strongest HK easily

[dapper tree]

anyway

[red lagoon]

Oda set ts up for the Power of love to work perfectly istg if he flakes out and goes the haki route

[dapper tree]

not that high a bar

[red lagoon]

Ima smack ts out the next person who type

[dapper tree]

and he's dead

[pine scaffold]

ngl hes probably stronger than the gorosei too

[red lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/shut-up-stfu-shut-your-mouth-slap-slapping-gif-8050553153066707611

[pine scaffold]

Imu's strongest soldier

[dapper tree]

I mean, I would like to agree

[unique lagoon]

teach mom gave her love to protect BB
so imus magic cant affect him

[dapper tree]

but

I do not want to

[pine scaffold]

just cuz hes dead it doesnt matter, it was a 3v1

[warm falcon]

the giants are vital to win, thats why big mom craved for it

[pine scaffold]

Shanks and Gaban of all people

[red lagoon]

Harald or shamrock 🫢 👀

[dapper tree]

because he is just fighting weaker versions of characters today

[pine scaffold]

Harald bruh

Harald is Rocks's equal

and he got buffed even beyond this

[ashen perch]

Shamrock is stronger

[dapper tree]

Still over hyping him a bit

[sage temple]

You would like to agree HK Harald, killed by Loki, is stronger than the Gorosei?

You're finally converting 🥹 🥹

Do you want a Loki pfp now or later

[red lagoon]

Bruh

[unique lagoon]

you know shamrock prob close to shanks level
i mean got to be right?
its like the whole twins trope

[dapper tree]

Let me check my chart.
No

[sage temple]

Oh

[red lagoon]

Why is we talking like Loki ain’t have shanks and gaban and jarul wit him

[warm falcon]

Shamrocks d. Xebec

[final trench]

Uh oh

[pine scaffold]

Shamrock unironically would get one shot by Harald

doesnt stand a chance

[unique lagoon]

man you still doing buggy xebec thats crazy

[red lagoon]

Ok bro

[dense rapids]

It’s been too long

[red lagoon]

Let’s slow ur roll there buddy

[hazy echo]

@red lagoon
To explain the Achilles Heel story further, essentially when Achilles was born, his mother hold him by the heel and dipped him into the River Styx. Because of surviving this, Achilles heel granted him full invulnerability to his whole body. However, as he was held by the heel, this invulernability wasn't granted there. This became his downfall, as near the end of the Trojan War, Achilles was struck by a poison arrow to the heel. As this was his only vulnerable part, it led to his death. Thus, Achilles' Heel usually describes a weak point for something otherwise sturdy

[final trench]

What if the next colorspread is the crossguild in suits

[dapper tree]

Loki had shanks, gaben, jarul, a legendary fruit, and legendary weapon that is probably a mythical zoan

[unique lagoon]

what u mean? croc already in a suit

[ashen perch]

🙂‍↕️

[red lagoon]

Crazy way to go out😭😭

U learn something new everyday

[dense rapids]

DAVY’S WILL LIVES ON

[red lagoon]

Oh my

Can’t even deny how right u are too

[dense haven]

they aint ready for davy D buggy

bb and loki in the mud

[final trench]

He’s just the luffy of the davy’s

[red lagoon]

ODA KNEW WHAT HE WAS DOING

[hazy echo]

Yea hence I'm convinced that the convenants would be the Achilles Heel for the HKs in this case

[dapper tree]

buggy upscale?

[red lagoon]

HE FINALLOSED IT WITH ROCKS IN COLOUR

[final trench]

You done lost yo mind

[red lagoon]

u know who else has blue hair?

My mo.. buggy

[dapper tree]

vivi?

[red lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/muscle-man-you-know-who-else-my-mom-regular-show-funny-gif-9101122073397073314

[pine scaffold]

I hope we get the chapter next week man

[hazy echo]

https://tenor.com/bUts7.gif

[warm falcon]

btw... its a crown or not?

or is it just a joke?

[hazy echo]

It's part of Imu's body

[sage temple]

Buggy gets Domi'd

[unique lagoon]

you telling me this mf spooked imu

[hazy echo]

Imu's just a black blob

[warm falcon]

he's kevin

[dense rapids]

I’m not mad at that

[hazy echo]

Durant

[warm falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/rikiseren-gif-23632219

[fallen meteor]

i mean she kinda gives it away how imu is, actually

[sage temple]

Yeah I'm not made for this baiting shi

[dense rapids]

No I’m saying I wouldn’t be mad at that

[unique lagoon]

imu when muppet

[red lagoon]

😭😭😭😭

[sage temple]

Yeah Ik I was trying to bait you but I failed

[dense rapids]

A domi buggy is like a domi Usopp

Everyone should fear them

[warm falcon]

imu's relative then

[red lagoon]

If u wanna ragebait people turn ur brain off and say the most stupid shit

[fallen meteor]

and considering this pic of gunko when she was doing this job, we cna infer Imu has a similar looking veil with some sort of pointy thing

[sage temple]

https://tenor.com/view/kobe-gif-20436436

[unique lagoon]

thats just a darket version of ulti mask

[fallen meteor]

the mask is irrelevant for this

it's probably a gunko thing

[final trench]

Yes

[fallen meteor]

but the veil is pretty interesting

[warm falcon]

Imu is Mary Aparecida hehe

[pine scaffold]

HK Harald > Prime Whitebeard

[fallen meteor]

lmao

[dapper tree]

Wrong

[red lagoon]

Do we know gunko official colouring

[pine scaffold]

okay explain why and actually give a proper reason

[fallen meteor]

yeah

[pine scaffold]

I'm willing to debate this

[red lagoon]

What colour is her hair

[dapper tree]

Harold loses to a bunch of guys who are weaker than Prime WB

[glacial bear]

Purple

[fallen meteor]

its a blue on the darker side

[warm falcon]

she has a mouth of a monster tho

[dapper tree]

gaben, shanks, loki, and jarul all weaker than prime WB at that time

[warm falcon]

ulti

[red lagoon]

What colour is ultis hair

I rest my case

[red lagoon]

Goodnight ladies and gentlemen .

[glacial bear]

Goodnight Aluerax

[dapper tree]

none of them really should even be close

[warm falcon]

thats why Ulti wears a mask

[dapper tree]

current day versions sure

[warm falcon]

perorin

[dapper tree]

but

back then

no

[red lagoon]

No no I’m not done cooking

[pine scaffold]

Harald was equal with Rocks and got an Imu buff on top of that

If u think Roger/Wb > Rocks/Harald

Then at the very least it means HK Harald is equal to Roger/Wb or even above

[red lagoon]

I miss clone piece

When everyone had clone allegations

[pine scaffold]

These buffs from Imu arent small

[unique lagoon]

this aint right oda smh

[glacial bear]

I wonder how Imu dances

Like a jellyfish?

[warm falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/imu-sama-imu-one-piece-imu-one-piece-gif-9591400471796142390

[dapper tree]

not how that works, I have no idea how you got that logic

[pine scaffold]

Also, its extremely likely Loki has the fruit which is a direct counter to the abyss

thats the only reason they won against Harald

[unique lagoon]

hold up

[dapper tree]

Rocks was weaker than all the prime verions of the people who matter at god valley even with the buffs he got being domi

[unique lagoon]

what if the yami fruit is just a discount version of lokis fruit

[dense rapids]

Base Rocks = Base Harald

HK Harald ++ > Domi Rocks +

[pine scaffold]

there are statements which say that Rocks's is Roger's strongest enemy

[hazy echo]

Rest well

[warm falcon]

i have a gif of him dancing like a serpentine blob, but i have 1000 gifs so...

[red lagoon]

No rest for the wicked

[snow locust]

Domi Rocks is the only person we’ve ever seen split the sky with just his own haki and no clash

[red lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitty-storm-lightning-cloudy-gif-17607709

Roger stronger than rocks #sorrynotsorry

[unique lagoon]

how many taboos did rocks do again

[hazy echo]

The humble Joyboy in the corner

[dapper tree]

You gotta also add in "first" and "greatest". At the time yes, but clealry there are many more statements saying everyone got way stronger after god valley

[red lagoon]

Rocks died then Roger left his ass behind

[pine scaffold]

it says first and strongest

[dapper tree]

sky scaling is beans

[red lagoon]

✌🏾

[hazy echo]

Can we get much higher

[snow locust]

Rocks also killed an admiral in Mariejois and didn’t have a scratch on him afterward

[dapper tree]

who was luffy's first and strongest enemy?

[dense rapids]

Rocks is the peak of a pirate

[red lagoon]

Bro was bleeding from his face

[dense rapids]

He’s Top 1

[snow locust]

Post the panel

[unique lagoon]

think again

[pine scaffold]

if Rocks is Roger's strongest enemy, that automatically puts him above characters like WB etc who are equal to Roger anyway

so that should put Rocks above Roger

[unique lagoon]

thats a dead man splitting the sky btw

[pine scaffold]

which also means Harald is as well

[dapper tree]

not how that works and you once again are ignoring "first"

[warm falcon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/738580480437387264/1427604334547304478/Animation10.gif

[dapper tree]

It is relative to the times

[pine scaffold]

the first deadass doesnt matter, its Roger's strongest enemy

[snow locust]

Fair but being comparable to Joyboy isn’t exactly an anti feat lol

[dapper tree]

it litertally does

[pine scaffold]

its his first enemy but also his strongest one hes ever faced

[unique lagoon]

yeah true lol

[red lagoon]

Too much effort can u just trust and believe in me

[snow locust]

No

[formal wagon]

not really

[red lagoon]

Well then

[dapper tree]

That only makes sense if Rocks was strongest relative to how strong Roger was at that time specifically

[proud pivot]

?

[red lagoon]

I guess we got a predicament then

[proud pivot]

what am i looking at

[dapper tree]

Otherwise Roger and many others surpass rocks

[formal wagon]

no

[dapper tree]

Sure rocks could have gotten stronger if he didn't die

[formal wagon]

rocks son beat roger son in a fight

[warm falcon]

rock is beat by paper (kami)
but he insulted the god (kami)

[formal wagon]

disscussion OVER

rocks wins 🏆 🏆

[pine scaffold]

do u think Harald eventually surpassed Rocks then

[dense rapids]

Imo no pirate from the old gen has surpassed Rocks

The Mid Gen and New Gen are the ones that surpassed them

[snow locust]

Are we forgetting how grammar works

[pine scaffold]

not with the buff

but like before that

[inner agate]

no one ever surpasses his crew

[wraith mantle]

https://x.com/i/status/2002422625616998631

sooiie @ doumini25 (@sooiie3)

they got transported to the op world

X · Dec 20, 2025, 4:55 PM

[unique lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/annoyed-monkey-monkey-annoyed-gif-17086185321491099330

[formal wagon]

hello giant green bar

[pine scaffold]

cuz we know Harald was way more active after GV doing missions for the Wg etc

when he was a god blade

[dapper tree]

Harold probs did not grow much aside from the buffs he got cuase he's a giant already either in or past his prime

[formal wagon]

imagine the sword in jarul's head is supreme grade

[pine scaffold]

with giants they dont really leave their primes until super old age like jarul

from what we seen

[dapper tree]

He may have grown some but he wasn't doing anyuthing difficult

[formal wagon]

what are the chances of this

[pine scaffold]

who knows tbh

[dapper tree]

He was punching down

[pine scaffold]

either way, its not like he wasnt active

[dapper tree]

literally

[pine scaffold]

he was for sure doing things and fighting

[dapper tree]

I don't argue that

but ain't no haki blooming

[warm falcon]

btw how we call you, mr green bar

[fallen meteor]

pretty fucking high since harald says it was a legendary sword that jarul gave to him

[dapper tree]

or like lifting weights to get stronger

[inner agate]

that works lol

[dapper tree]

Man is just smashing fodder like his holy knight friends

[inner agate]

or [REDACTED]

or ████████████

[unique lagoon]

if herald somehow go demon mode
he will be wayyy bigger

[red lagoon]

I don’t like this

Ur name is stressing me out

[warm falcon]

lá ele

[inner agate]

my name is like the files

[red lagoon]

I keep pressing ur name thinkin something is hidden behind it

[fallen meteor]

ué

[dense rapids]

If we don’t see a solo sky split from Harald I’m putting rocks above him

[formal wagon]

"████████████"

i made you blue

reply fail

whatever

[dapper tree]

is that suppossed to prove me wrong? He is punching down and catching people by surprise

[fallen meteor]

famous discord user, List

[warm falcon]

your name is harder than reading poneglyphs

[pine scaffold]

nah lol im just posting it for reference

[warm falcon]

the man is the void century himself

[pine scaffold]

but alright, maybe he didnt get that strong after GV

[dapper tree]

like no record of harold having life or death fights constantly

[inner agate]

i used to have it black and lily as the pfp

[inner agate]

it doesnt look blue

[pine scaffold]

idk tho, a lot of time does pass

[dapper tree]

I have no doubt he kept up his skills and maybe some small growth, those do occur but no leaps until the buff from imu

[formal wagon]

its blue on my screen

[fallen meteor]

looks very blue

[pine scaffold]

I think its fair to say he maybe surpassed Rocks eventually

but only by a little

[inner agate]

ohh on my phone its like this

[dapper tree]

I can agree with that, nothing really wrong there to say harold eventually edged pasted rocks

[formal wagon]

who was that user that had a shit ton of emojis as their name one time and it was so funny when it said they were typing

[warm falcon]

you name is censored coz its ||Oliver Klosoff ||or ||Mike Rotch?||

[pine scaffold]

but when he gets the Imu buffs, he is def way stronger

[warm falcon]

or smt along the lines

[pine scaffold]

like its not a debate that hes weaker than Rocks at that point imo

[inner agate]

its censored coz its ||████████████||

[dapper tree]

for sure, he got a good increase

[steel stirrup]

hei1ya3

[fallen meteor]

rich you cant doxx people like that

[steel stirrup]

EZ

[pine scaffold]

How big do you think the increase is

cuz I think it puts him on the level of at least the top dogs

Roger, WB in their primes

at the very least

[dense rapids]

Domi = x1

Deep Seal = x2

Deep Deep Seal = x3

[fallen meteor]

this part is wonky to me because we still dont know how much prime wb and roger were relative to rocks and harald on the past

[dapper tree]

well, that is hard to say. Magic buffs are a hrad line to draw. My logic still puts him under prime WB and Roger considering who he lost to

[formal wagon]

how much can harald bench press most likely

[inner agate]

who

[steel stirrup]

The increase has to be considered massive if he is able to feel the difference in his own strength

[warm falcon]

i see, especially when: ||▓▒░ ▓▒█▌ █▐||

[pine scaffold]

if it gets revealed Loki's fruit is a direct counter to the holy knights, would this change

[dapper tree]

It so hard to say this cause I can't imagine Prime WB or Roger losing to gaban, shanks, jarul, and loki at that time

[pine scaffold]

since its like an enel situation

[fallen meteor]

like were they barely stronger? 10x? 2x? theres no way to know so far

[pine scaffold]

where luffy aint stronger than enel

but he can beat him

[formal wagon]

☺

[warm falcon]

this is a matter of compability

[pine scaffold]

I do think the only reason they won is cuz of the fruit being a natural weakness

[warm falcon]

was*

[dapper tree]

they were roughly equal in stats

[warm falcon]

enel was clearly superior

[pine scaffold]

Harald implores Loki he needs that fruit

[dapper tree]

Yeah, the magic df is the key along with ragnir

[inner agate]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1349142356783534222/1421928352281006122/soap_cat.gif

[dense rapids]

Enel demolishes Luffy without natural weakness

[pine scaffold]

Prime Roger/Wb aint dogwalking these guys tho

like they are still strong

[glacial bear]

https://tenor.com/view/squidward-mr-krabs-krabs-eugene-spongebob-gif-7788295648737899317

[dapper tree]

That's not saying much

[steel stirrup]

Now its just cats

[dense rapids]

It is

[glacial bear]

Killingham & Sommers when The GREAT ONE arrived at Elbaph

[pine scaffold]

especially since its not just a 1v1, its a 3v1

[inner agate]

admin dmed me saying to change it

[dapper tree]

Prime WB and Roger kinda for sure would, those versions are not as strong as you are rating em

[warm falcon]

protect your kitties from Hancock

[red lagoon]

Destroying pre haki pre gear Luffy not a flex

[pine scaffold]

Roger aint beating Gaban, Loki and Shanks all at the same time with ease

like idk abt that

[inner agate]

https://tenor.com/view/boa-hancock-boa-hancock-boa-hancock-kicking-a-cat-cat-gif-26609560

[steel stirrup]

Smh no freedom left

[red lagoon]

Depends on how strong that shanks and Loki is

[pine scaffold]

gaban too

hes strong

[inner agate]

so much for an anime abt freedom

[dapper tree]

That's like saying Van Auger would have killed Ace if he didn't have the mera fruit. Sure, yes, that is true but it doesn't mean anything

[red lagoon]

He Roger left hand man so we can kinda picture how much stronger Roger is than him

However we don’t know if Loki like Yc or yonko level

[dapper tree]

Prime roger sweeps those versions, you get current day verions it's a whole other story

[red lagoon]

Or if that shanks was yonko level or what level he was at

[dense rapids]

No

[dapper tree]

I just did what you did

but repalce luffy with ace, rubber with mera, and enel with van auger

[pine scaffold]

this version of Shanks fought Mihawk constantly

like it was around that time they fought

[dapper tree]

Also lost to BB at the time

[dense rapids]

There’s a difference

[steel stirrup]

ZEHAHAHAHA

[snow locust]

He didn’t say he lost, all we know is that BB got a hit on him

[dapper tree]

both statements mean nothing, we both made nothing statements

[pine scaffold]

Pasta do u think Roger is able to kill regen users

because we havent seen a regen user die

[steel stirrup]

Sb where are you going with this

[pine scaffold]

only demons

the best someone can do is slow the regen down like Garling

[dapper tree]

EHHHH, idk man. I would hope so but I don't give people abilities that I think they should have based on headcanon

[red lagoon]

Until we see how harald died then ye we ain’t seen the regen countered

[pine scaffold]

the regen of the holy knights is stronger than the demons

[steel stirrup]

If this mf starts putting Loki above Roger I stg

[dapper tree]

But I also don't really think Roger ever had to after god valley

[pine scaffold]

cuz Rocks beat the demons

but not Garling

[red lagoon]

LMAOOO

[warm falcon]

if loki with the fruit is equal to Harald, then Loki is too strong for fitting into Strawhats

[fallen meteor]

i still want to see what the counter is

[dapper tree]

socrates would do this

[fallen meteor]

i feel we all are wrong on this

[red lagoon]

It really could just be like an enel situation where the df counters

[warm falcon]

pub counter

[dapper tree]

Luffy is stronger than him so it's fine

[red lagoon]

I think we should all just not get ahead of our seoves

[pine scaffold]

it could be like

[red lagoon]

Selves

Plus shanks gaban and jarul are all there helping

[pine scaffold]

Loki loses to Shanks

But Shanks cant beat Harald where Loki can

u see what I mean

[warm falcon]

we have no idea

[red lagoon]

This not a 1v1 situation

[fallen meteor]

this just doesnt make much sense because it's too convenient

[thick mango]

i just dont think loki being this panacea works well story wise. Say we get to the present fight and loki is the deciding factor the key thing that beats imu. Where does that leave us? The straw hats become side characters and it becomes loki piece?

[dapper tree]

Oh but I do

[pine scaffold]

like Loki aint stronger than Harald, he just counters him

[warm falcon]

hm maybe

[steel stirrup]

Loki killing an immortal and then losing to Shanks a few years later is wild work

[fallen meteor]

why does the legendary elbaf df is a counter for regen? what could be this counter and it just sits there?
i think it's closer that the fruit makes it easier to achieve this counter

[steel stirrup]

Ngl

[dapper tree]

The Shs became side characters long ago

[warm falcon]

oh yeah i forgot ab the loki vs shanks, mb

[dapper tree]

Shanks had a growth spurt

[red lagoon]

Someone sent a panel with a lot of red arrows and circles and it lowkey changed my understanding of what was said

[dapper tree]

locked the hell in

[warm falcon]

but all warriors of elbaf vs loki is kinda off

[fallen meteor]

like if the df has some sort of highly corrosive acid that does constant damage faster than what the regen can...regen

[dense rapids]

Loki joining Cross Guild

[pine scaffold]

we might live in a reality where Gaban knows how to counter the holy knights but Roger doesnt

💀

[red lagoon]

I found it

[pine scaffold]

since Roger never actively fought them

[fallen meteor]

or if the fruit puts something on the damage so it cant grow back

[steel stirrup]

Well, shit

[pine scaffold]

this just complicates things power wise tbh

[dapper tree]

cosidering Gaben lived like longer

[red lagoon]

What if it really just is haki

[dapper tree]

That is fine

[red lagoon]

The df may help but what if it really only is haki

[dapper tree]

not really

[warm falcon]

but counters naturally mess power systems

[dapper tree]

Just cause Gaben knows how to put a holy knight down or slow theior regen does not make Gaben stronger than Roger

[pine scaffold]

it basically means regen users are able to defeat Roger but lose to Gaban due to attrition

[dapper tree]

Roger could still launch a holy knight off an island and win by ring out

[pine scaffold]

Yeah I guess, not Harald tho

like I dont think thats gonna work with him lmao

[dapper tree]

Like how luffy and co did to mars

[steel stirrup]

It would make Gaban more knowledgeable than Roger but thats not hard to do, I mean the nigga is dead and even when he was alive he wasnt the sharpest tool in the shed.

[pine scaffold]

Harald is 10x the size and far stronger than ur average knight

u cant just ring that guy out

[dapper tree]

ehhh, harold is overall weaker and once again, are not gonna find themselves in a magic 1v1

[steel stirrup]

I love Loki but 1v1 seems far fetched