also-manga

[ruby moat]

it's not that bad when 99% of the ppl hating on him are powerscalers or tiktok readers. People who actually interact with the story in good faith (the people i care about having conversations with) dont act like that.

[craggy vapor]

Ussop is weak and a coward. That’s his whole gimmick.

[sage temple]

Lmao

[distant vine]

Oh well Kid fans...

Its different when you deserve it yknow

[sage temple]

Ussop slander was hilarious though

I had a whole folder

[sweet anvil]

Ussop is the SH who’s made like the least progress in his goal

[sage temple]

I needed to stop getting Bartsky mad

[frozen aspen]

true

[sweet anvil]

I don’t blame the slander ngl

[sage temple]

Dude was fuming

[vital heart]

Hey guys

https://tenor.com/view/weekend-party-champagne-gif-18280013

[urban lodge]

Usopp was really good pre-ts

[frozen aspen]

hi meek

[ruby moat]

this is a pretty pathetic act socrates

[frozen aspen]

how is it hanging

[pine ridge]

he is very human which is rare in one piece

[ashen perch]

meek there will be severe consequences to the next hey guys

[vital heart]

@frail kindle Mute me til midnight. thanks

[vital heart]

bro hates fun and whimsy 😭

[sage temple]

😭

[unique lagoon]

i mean kidd got it coming
mf lost to kaido then suddenly thinks he can fight another yonko

[frozen aspen]

he certainly was but it all went downhill after drssrosa

[vital heart]

btw, buggy was in my dream last night. not the OP character but the discord user

[sweet anvil]

Humans tend to grow and get closer to their goals over time as well

[ashen perch]

sorry to hear that

[urban lodge]

Idk why even his Dressrosa stuff didn't move me

[frozen aspen]

my condolences

[ashen perch]

I hope you have better dreams tonight, thats horrible, no one deserves to go through that

[ashen rose]

EoS and this mf is about to fight the literal devil by shooting plants at him

[ruby moat]

This actually kinda vindicates what i've been saying about usopp haters. Socrates wasn't able to properly understand a simple message a helper told him, or the message jimbo sent, so why would I believe he can read the story properly

[sage temple]

Meek and consequence in the same sentence

[sage temple]

Genuinely how will he survive the final war

He's going to have to hide with Buggy

[craggy vapor]

it was satisfying to see Kidd ger thrashed by Shanks tbh

[ashen rose]

Oda finds a way, probably

[sage temple]

Oda definitely finds a way

[sweet anvil]

That’s all the SH they kind of got worse post ts specifically ussop and chopper

[frozen aspen]

Are we not even allowed to say hey anymore? Mods forcing us into 1984?

😔

[ashen rose]

I just don't know how his confrontation with van augur will go

[ashen perch]

he isnt my top 1 but absolutely among my favorites, and I am doing just fine

[sage temple]

That would be the most boring fight ever

We know logically Augur should win but Oda will obviously make it so Ussop wins

[unique lagoon]

eh i dint really care for the character in the first place
the whole killer and kidd sad story dint grab me

[ashen rose]

teleports behind you

Nothing personel kid

[tropic nova]

@vital heart has been muted!

Reason: turning into a pumpking at midnight
Duration: 10 hours

[sweet anvil]

I’m actually interested in why people would have ussop in their top 5 outside of his potential character development later on in elbaf

[frozen aspen]

van augur is irrelevant so him fighting usopp fits

[ashen perch]

you guys arent ready for Oda's statement actually, I can feel it, this is the biggest one yet

[sage temple]

And then Oda makes Ussop like survive or something

[ruby moat]

he has the best character moment in the series

[frozen aspen]

what tf are guys doing to meek

[sweet anvil]

And how much has he built on his character since then

[frozen aspen]

😭

[ashen perch]

"Year of Sanji" but this time its for Usopp

[ruby moat]

some, but that doesnt take away what he's already had

[pine ridge]

some do, some dont. and some do it faster and some slower. it's only been 2 years. and personally I can't say I've changed that much in the last 2 years

[sweet anvil]

For someone that’s part of the main cast he doesn’t do enough

[ashen rose]

It's gonna be either the most bullshit fight, or Usopp is going to suddenly gain 5000 IQ

[frozen aspen]

this a meme from the op fandom was cringe and didn't have agenda

[sweet anvil]

If ussop was a non SH I might be happy with his character

[unique lagoon]

usopp is forever comic relief

[ashen rose]

I seriously can't see how a confrontation like this would go without van augur being extremely nerfed and dumbed down

[sage temple]

If Ussop wasn't a SH he'd be dead

Ngl

[frozen aspen]

Tbf usopp is hardly the o ly character suffering from meglect by oda

[sage temple]

Van Augur might as well have seastone cuffs on

[ashen perch]

Socrates talking way too much shit against Loki's future bestie

youll live to regret this

[ashen rose]

Still too op

[frozen aspen]

Loki becomes one of usopp's followers

[ruby moat]

is that usopp's fault?

[ashen rose]

I could see their dynamic going well

[unique lagoon]

betting on usopp to do more cool bad ass stuff is the wrong expectation

[frozen aspen]

I will manifest to spite socrates

[sweet anvil]

I would say it’s different for him considering how much the SH go through 2 years for them is much longer also it’s fiction so it’s a bit different as well

[final trench]

Yo bro

Ik you niggas are not slandering god usopp again

Dont tell me that

[distant vine]

Usopp will be weak with aura

[sweet anvil]

It’s Odas writing decision ig

[sage temple]

this is how you know someone is taking it well

[ruby moat]

Usopp has, in my opinion, the best character moment in the entire series. The amount of time since that happened is irrelevant. his powerscaling feats are irrelevant.

[craggy vapor]

Van Auger won’t fight Ussop cuz Ussop dies in Elbaf

[unique lagoon]

but i can trust usopp to do consistent comedic things

[sweet anvil]

No one is asking for power scaling

[frozen aspen]

Forget about usopp

[ruby moat]

If you don't think it's the single best moment, that's fine, but denying it's in the top 3 is foolish

[sweet anvil]

I want to see him progress

[ashen rose]

The most aura he had was sniping sugar from one end of a continent to the other, that's aura

[frozen aspen]

back to theorizing on the fruit in the chest

[sage temple]

Ussop could just quit to give another person a chance to join the best crew

[final trench]

No strawhat is dying

[ashen perch]

what lol

[distant vine]

Which one

[ashen rose]

After that he just forgot he had Haki

[sweet anvil]

Wait you’re talking about enies lobby right

[ruby moat]

me when i dont udnerstand the crew dynamic

[ruby moat]

water 7

specifically his argument with luffy

[unique lagoon]

funny character do funny things

[ashen perch]

recency bias is an actual killer

[frozen aspen]

Zoro didn't know he had coc tbh they aren't the brightest bunch

[sage temple]

Ussop is pretty useless except for being there whenever the strawhats need a minor save or being funny tbh

[ashen rose]

Top 10 fights for me

[urban lodge]

I'll take anything as long as he doesn't lift Ragnir and his character arc conclusion isn't "you were always brave"

[sweet anvil]

I don’t have any unreasonable demands from ussop I just want to see progress even if it’s slow

[ruby moat]

im not even talking about the fight im talking about the argument with luffy in the merry that has the crew watching

[sage temple]

Last major thing Ussop did was 10 years ago so can't say it's not deserved

[ashen perch]

yes I know what that means, I what'd at the notion that he is someone you'd mainly only expect gags from

[ashen rose]

Yeah but he at least used it, Usopp was never seen using it again

[final trench]

Usopp WILL lift ragnir

[sage temple]

Ngl true

[ruby moat]

Usopp haters are just impatient tbh

[sage temple]

This guy has had zero progress

Ussop vs Dragon

Doing something

[ruby moat]

also, mfs be like "he hasnt done anything in 10 years!!" when they started one piece 2 years ago

[sweet anvil]

Dragon isn’t part of the main cast

[craggy vapor]

all jokes aside, without Ussopp the straw hats would have sunk into the ocean long time ago. So please give proper respect to the goat Ussop

[final trench]

Facts when we get back to current time stay on that damn side

[final trench]

He was fixing the ship before frankt

[ashen perch]

thats like a year for you man, you started like in Egghead

[final trench]

But they wanna ignore that

[urban lodge]

Usopp lifting Ragnir is a level of cringe that might genuinely kill me

[sage temple]

Wait true wtf

[craggy vapor]

exactly

[unique lagoon]

usopp being funny
and chopper always keeping people alive
thats just about it

[sage temple]

This guy is on the main cast, appears almost every chapter, and progresses like a snail

Like

[final trench]

All his lies become true 🤫

[pine ridge]

yeah which is why I think usopp is very irl human like personality-wise. he still acts like a human would if they found themselves in the one piece world

[sage temple]

Maybe get an upgrade or something

[ruby moat]

fr when is he gonna get some more powerscaling feats 🙄

[ashen rose]

He's definitely important, but he could be A LOT more, he's literally the potential man of one piece

[sage temple]

Toad Oil incident

[ashen rose]

If of the crew

[sage temple]

Bartsky might actually understand

This is what he needs

[sweet anvil]

I’ve been waiting more than 5 years for him to progress

[sage temple]

Lmao

[sweet anvil]

I don’t think I’m being unreasonable

[ruby moat]

skill issue ig

this is one piece if u dont have patience what are you doing

[sage temple]

Mfs could have entire marriages and divorces and Ussop will be at the same power level

😭

[ashen rose]

I'm sorry but wano Usopp was not Usopp, how and WHY did he tell nami to disrespect Luffy?

That's so out of character

[unique lagoon]

i need usopp to do this on screen with his ammo/weapons

[ruby moat]

"power level"

[sweet anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/speed-ishowspeed-smh-laughing-laugh-gif-16005642344163940773

[ashen rose]

It's character regression

[pine ridge]

and it's not like usopp hasn't grown at all, it's just that the sh keep finding themselves in more and more ridiculous situations

[sage temple]

https://tenor.com/view/speed-ishowspeed-annoyed-speed-trying-not-to-laugh-speed-annoyed-gif-9796470131563160015

How is he making the same face in different moments

[ruby moat]

mf slipped in "power level" while we are talking about character progression 😭

[unique lagoon]

can usopp even make new plant ammo
or is it all the ones he got in the island

[ashen rose]

Power creep, happens in every fucking shonen unfortunately

[sage temple]

that is how you know someone is taking it well

[unique lagoon]

does usopp have a garden in the sunny

[sage temple]

LMAOOO

[sweet anvil]

Don’t you think ussop going on all these adventures should eventually adapt and get used to experiencing these more outrageous things every arc

[ashen rose]

He has a gadget maker room

[ruby moat]

like many other things i dont think you understand what this means

[craggy vapor]

Usopp haters talk big game but Usopp can beat all y’all asses for real

[ashen perch]

This is really what it comes down to and I don't get it, the entire idea of something taking too long could potentially be applied to the entire series if we want to get into that. Patience is key because we all should know that Oda takes as long as he wants to lol, somehow thats not understood with Usopp

[sage temple]

Oh what if he's like grow-a-garden-ing in the sunny

[ashen rose]

He lost his muscles btw

[sage temple]

And soon he'll have a mega fruit or plant

[distant vine]

No.

[unique lagoon]

thats what im saying
he needs to stack up on ammo somehow

that should be an SBS

[sage temple]

Loki haters talk big game too but that doesn't stop them

[frozen aspen]

i doubt that

[distant vine]

Unlike OP fans Usopp values human lives more than Luffy glaze

[sage temple]

https://tenor.com/view/grow-a-garden-roblox-grow-a-garden-roblox-garden-dobig-studios-gif-8224465511625934945

[sage temple]

WAIT WHAT THE

NO WAY

HE ACTUALLY LOST MUSCLE

LMFAO

[urban lodge]

I think it's a valid criticism that Usopp doesn't really get much gradual development

[ruby moat]

It's actually crazy the amount of rot that has happened in the fan base. And i'm not even someone that's been with one piece for like 10+ years or anything, but the amount of people that expect every character to always be "doing something" (their definition of that typically refers to powerscaling and nothing else) and then getting upset at the characters themselves when they dont is astounding.

[sage temple]

HE'S DEVOLVING

[sweet anvil]

Exactly

[dense haven]

socrates how much damage you think shanks will deal to harald in the group fight

[ashen rose]

Fym no? He learned to respect Luffy as a captain in water 7, saved his ass in dressrosa, and suddenly he wants nami to just admit that Luffy will not become the king of the pirates?

[unique lagoon]

oda just changed his mind guys
"wait a min you cant look this cool"

[sage temple]

Especially as a main cast character

[frozen aspen]

Usopp being a poor excuse of a character is solely Oda's fault

[sweet anvil]

Saying I’m impatient because I’m annoyed at someone making no progress in the 5 years I’ve been reading isn’t outrageous

[sage temple]

Ngl I'm done downplaying him he could do some good work against Harald

[distant vine]

Yes, because he values Nami's life

[sage temple]

Not as much as Loki but definitely a hefty amount

[ashen perch]

Oda just likes drawing some of his characters like that lol, Sanji is the biggest example of this when he is FAR from being the twink that Oda often draws him as

[ruby moat]

omg wtf... luffy lost so much mussle!

[ashen perch]

yeah lmao

[sage temple]

How is that different

[formal wagon]

WHERES MY VOMIT EMOTE

[ashen perch]

its just an artistic choice, again have you guys seen Sanji

[sweet anvil]

He looks pretty similar tbf

[sage temple]

He lowk looks the same there

[formal wagon]

whats the even the point

[muted hedge]

it returns in january

[ashen rose]

Clothes change the physical attributes of characters in one piece

[hot cairn]

at what time is jump festa? I'm excited for the Oda message

[sage temple]

Exactly

[craggy vapor]

God Usopp naturally loses muscles just like the Super Saiyan God form loses muscles despite being stronger

[hot cairn]

does anyone know?

[sage temple]

He still has abs and everything

[ashen perch]

about uh, 10 hours from now I think

[ruby moat]

Oda can NOT change how he draws someone he must draw all characters the same at all times

[ashen perch]

it was like 5:30 pm JST

[sage temple]

And Luffy's bicepts are covered

[hot cairn]

10 hours from now?? holy crap I'll be asleep

[formal wagon]

jump festa is in 20 minute

*large boom*

[sage temple]

So doesn't this mean you can't judge his strength off of how the anime and manga draw him at certain moments

[ashen rose]

Yeah he definitely lost some

[sage temple]

Since he loses the muscle almost immediately

[ruby moat]

wtf... luffy so weak!!!

[sage temple]

Yeah it's better to powerscale off of feats

[olive sigil]

Hi mosa, hi mosa 2, hi Bart

[sage temple]

And Ussop has little of that ngl

Especially this arc

[ashen rose]

Hi

[ruby moat]

yo

[sage temple]

Hi

[ashen perch]

lmao I was about to post this because its in the same double spread

[sweet anvil]

Let me see if I can find it

[ruby moat]

socrates thinking ppl care about powerscaling like he does

https://tenor.com/view/pffttt-7tv-twitch-gif-12963762873218034436

[ashen perch]

this is how agendas are created, people who literally cannot read pick apart a panel while ignoring everything

[glacial bear]

I’m excited for Nami’s conqueror haki

[sage temple]

I don't

[ruby moat]

[ashen perch]

and people who havent read the everything surrounding the panel, or have forgotten it, they fall for it

[ruby moat]

peak

[pine ridge]

he does but he does it at a slower rate than regular major characters would

[sage temple]

Yeah but this was in response to someone saying "Ussop could beat you up" and showing Ussop's muscles in an anime clip

[olive sigil]

The funniest part of this image is how funny Luffy looks

[ruby moat]

Also yea he quite literally is improving. He shot at Saturn's monster form instead of running away from it. Do you not consider that improvement to previous usopp?

[sage temple]

You can't judge strength off of looks then since they change so often

[ashen perch]

quite possibly the thinnest arms in the world

[dense haven]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-ai-luffy-zoro-roronoa-zoro-gif-3117765931290086926

[glacial bear]

Which fraud has the most aura in one piece

[formal wagon]

green is awesome

TBH

[muted hedge]

Buggy

[frozen aspen]

mihawk

[craggy vapor]

4 real tho, Usopp CAN beat y’all up

[pine ridge]

buggy fs

[frozen aspen]

not a fraud

[unique lagoon]

he survived this so hes pretty durable

[formal wagon]

which aura has the most fraud in op

[sage temple]

Yeah

[olive sigil]

He can inflate them

[ashen rose]

AI bro?

[ruby moat]

Usopp can easily beat up and kill every single person in this chat

[formal wagon]

probably luffy piss aura

[sage temple]

Yeah I'm not denying that

[muted hedge]

the definition of one

[grand flower]

Talk to em bruh

[sage temple]

Ussop can definitely beat people up

[frozen aspen]

Buggy will save shanks ass during the final war you'll see

[sweet anvil]

I would say that’s below the minimum expectation

[final trench]

Same ulti that headbutted base luffy after he uppercutted kaido

[ashen perch]

normal muscle definition on him in just the previous chapter

[ruby moat]

why

[ashen rose]

He's very fucking durable for a "normal human"

[grand flower]

How Garling looks fighting someone who can do 100 push ups

[final trench]

And he beat up a fishmen

[ruby moat]

because you have the same expectations for all strawhats?

[grand flower]

Whatever

[ruby moat]

well thats flawed

[grand flower]

Enjoy the lack of crop

[sweet anvil]

No

[sage temple]

True true

And it's kinda hard to say you can beat an anime character in a fight

[unique lagoon]

why cant this oda guy just be consistent
washed smh

[sage temple]

They're put in in-human situations

[ruby moat]

then how is standing ground against the leader of the world below minimum expectation for a character who previously would have ran away pissing himself

[grand flower]

I’d whoop the fuck outta ash Ketchum

[sage temple]

True I mean character fighting manga like this

[ashen rose]

Again, Usopp suffers from shonen power creep, something other characters in other shonen suffer, where they're actually very strong, but because everyone else is absurdly OP they look weak

[sage temple]

Oops I said fighting manga

Sorry guys how dare I say fighting manga

[ashen rose]

Yamcha, Krillin, tien

[sage temple]

True

[formal wagon]

i'd beat kaido

[glacial bear]

Harald should’ve stabbed Saint Charlos in the head

[sage temple]

How many Kaidos is Mailbox

[formal wagon]

im immune to exposition

[glacial bear]

If he survives that. I’d be shocked

[sage temple]

3-4?

[craggy vapor]

u mean Yamucha, Kuririn and Tenshinhan?

[grand flower]

Theres fighting in Pokémon

[formal wagon]

probably like six or maybe even one more

[sage temple]

Oh rly

I don't watch it

[ashen rose]

OH NOO, IT'S TIEN, what was Krillin busy?

[grand flower]

Usopp actually is in the opposite position

[ashen perch]

Man I love Elbaf

[ruby moat]

furthermore, what could he have done against saturn that WOULD have exceeded your expectations (not in terms of powerscaling feats, but in terms of character progress)

[sweet anvil]

Because it’s quite literally something we see the most fodder irrelevant characters can do whilst I agree he has made progress it’s lackluster we’re 1200 chapters deep and Ussops characters seems to showcases bravery very rarely and since dressrosa he does it in less relevant situations

[grand flower]

Usopp being able to withstand Ulti headbutts is crazy because of how much Luffy has powercrept

Ulti put Luffy through the floor

Ans usopp survived multiple of those full force

[ruby moat]

He stood his ground against Gunko just recently

[grand flower]

Then kept running around the raid like it didn’t happen

Usopp has CRAZY physicals rn

[ashen rose]

please Usopp prove me wrong DO SOMETHING, ANYTHING PLEASE

[ruby moat]

He's hardly ran away from opponents for a while now

[ashen perch]

Didnt Luffy say that he didnt want to take another headbutt too? I remember that

or something like that

[sage temple]

Me too

[grand flower]

That was usopp with Nami

He said Nami would die if she took more

[ashen perch]

ahh

[grand flower]

Luffy says her grip is too strong

[sage temple]

❔

[grand flower]

And he starts trying to go G4

[ashen perch]

wait actually

[grand flower]

Yamato intervenes

Not G2

[ashen perch]

I am right

[ruby moat]

What could he have done against Saturn/Gunko that is not "bare minimum" (Again, in terms of character progress, not powerscaling)

[grand flower]

Not G3

[ashen perch]

kinda

[grand flower]

Gear fuckin Four

[sage temple]

Not headbutt though

[grand flower]

Ans usopp survived that

[ashen perch]

He didnt want to take another ultimeteor for sure, thats why he tried to go G4

[sage temple]

I mean it's not like anyone would want to take a hit again

[pulsar path]

Idk this has been what people argue about on Facebook now

[grand flower]

You really getting to the point where this little bit you’re doing where you don’t connect the dots of what we’re saying is wearing thin

[ashen rose]

He didn't have to fight them, gunko I'm actually fine, at least he tried, in egghead he could have helped do something to SAVE Vegapunk, instead of doing 0 damage

[grand flower]

Yeah

[ashen rose]

You know, do something he's good at

[ruby moat]

he was nowhere near vegapunk and had Saturn on top of him

what would you expect him to do

[sage temple]

Maybe snipe

That'd be a good place for a feat

[ruby moat]

right with saturn on top of ihm

[sage temple]

Ngl

[ashen rose]

HE'S A SNIPER

[sage temple]

He is a sniper

[sweet anvil]

My issues aren’t with Saturn he done what was expected the bare minimum , obviously I wouldn’t expect him to do anything crazy against Saturn I would just like him to take a bigger role within the straw hats like his sniper counterparts augur and Yassop do within their crews id actually also like him to have individual moments of bravery like he did in his tag team fight with chopper in alabasta and when he fough perona

[sage temple]

But there is a limit to what some characters can do

[craggy vapor]

so Bonny’s Gear 5… was is cuz of Luffy’s powers or her own devil fruit?

[ruby moat]

and is sniping at the obvious enemy right on top of him lol

[ashen rose]

Thats on him, how can you be a sniper, WHEN YOU GO NEAR YOUR ENEMIES?

[sage temple]

Would distract him though

Ngl

[ruby moat]

becasue the enemy came to him..

[sage temple]

It could've stopped Saturn

[pulsar path]

Idk it's agenda baiting or some thing lol

[ruby moat]

Does standing ground against saturn and gunko not count as moments of bravery

[craggy vapor]

I always thought that Luffy gave her Gear 5 powers

[sweet anvil]

I might’ve worded this weird but I just think ussop should have more notable individual moments where he showcases his progress like he had a lot in pre ts and dressrosa

[fast pagoda]

They just saying anything

[ashen rose]

Yeah just stupid "Nepo baby trash hard working baby good" stuff that dismisses their actual characters

[pine scaffold]

It's time for a new top 1.

[fast pagoda]

No its pretty obviously her devil fruit that gave her the ability

Luffy didnt do anything

[clear jackal]

Quick question but;
Does anyone know if Robin's birthday was at the same time as when she became a scholar?
The panel for the scholars revealing her birthday cake was almost identical to them congratulating her on passing the exam.

[craggy vapor]

why would u think that?

[pulsar path]

I think it was that he proves that Nika is real which makes he be able to believe in a reality where she is Nika

[ashen rose]

Flashback victim

[sage temple]

Wait how long does this Haki clash go for

Because this is a long way from the castle

And it's a giant country

[frozen aspen]

seitching from rocks to barald right before harald bites the bullet

[sweet anvil]

Idk if I worded it right but I said more individual moments his actions against Saturn were done as a group all attacking him ,

[sage temple]

1-2 miles maybe

[pine scaffold]

You better glaze him, your goat upscales from him

[pulsar path]

You think it's more than 10km ?

[pine scaffold]

Glaze Harald with me and Loki will be upscaled

[sage temple]

This isn't ridiculous to say ngl

[grand flower]

Without usopp, the raid would have failed

[sweet anvil]

The best way to word it would be ti say I want ussop to have more focus

[muted hedge]

0,002 seconds

[ashen rose]

Nah, he ain't got the DRIP

[clear rose]

that wouldn't be too crazy by one piece standards tbf

[grand flower]

Usopp was needed to convert the gifter army

[unique lagoon]

is that even a haki clash
or the imu thing blasting haki

[ashen rose]

He's pretty cool tho

[sage temple]

Not asking that

[ashen perch]

I am actually baffled at what Socrates is trying to say

[grand flower]

Actually i won’t go so far as to say raid fail

[frozen aspen]

Harald will die like a dog

[sage temple]

Imu isn't here

[frozen aspen]

[pulsar path]

10km is Harold and xebec

[sage temple]

Oh thats what

[ashen perch]

can anyone decrypt it, like why would that Haki be from their clash?

[unique lagoon]

theres a blast of haki when the power is used ye?

[pine scaffold]

Doesnt matter, HK Harald is the strongest One Piece character besides Imu, Joyboy and Davy D. Jones

[grand flower]

However, Luffy law and kid would be coming back to all of their friends and allies dead if usopp didn’t spread the dango and capture the Mary

[pulsar path]

For reference that's the whole wind waker map

[ashen rose]

Don't let his wisdom taint your view of the Loki agenda, we do not claim his views

[sweet anvil]

Is he ?

[fast pagoda]

There's nothing suggesting Luffy gave her powers and it makes no sense. She transformed because she was inspired by Gear 5 Luffy so she created a future where she was most free. Her skillset in Nika form doesn't have any toonforce like Luffy does

[frozen aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/mhmm-gif-6883948443707898732

[sage temple]

Because, it's like a cause and effect thing

[grand flower]

Usopp is important, even if it’s not always flashy

[shadow vault]

But he died by loki?

[pine scaffold]

yeah, he was Rocks's equal and got a huge strength boost

This automatically puts him on Domi Reversi Rocks level

[sage temple]

What else would produce that Haki logically

It's kinda safe to assume that was a Haki clash

[pine scaffold]

because Loki ate a fruit that counters his regen

[sage temple]

Imu isn't there though

[pine scaffold]

Loki would lose without the fruit

[grand flower]

Prime Kaido>Prime Rocks

[sweet anvil]

So Loki with his fruit is equal to him

[grand flower]

Someone coming out of the Abyss maybe

[sage temple]

And Harald would lose without the regen..

[pine scaffold]

Okay but Domi Reversi Rocks > Prime Kaido

[clear rose]

Idk about that, it seems to me like Roger and Whitebeard and Garp as they grew older surpassed Rocks regardless

[sage temple]

That's not what teleportation looks like at all

[unique lagoon]

blame oda here for not adding haki indications

[sage temple]

Arsal quick think of something to say that'll downscale Loki

[pine scaffold]

Okay but Harald kept getting stronger as well

[craggy vapor]

But her form looks just like Nika. There are no 2 Nika fruits

[shadow vault]

Lol Harald have imu buff why its fair loki having the Df lol

[pine scaffold]

He kept going on missions for the Gorosei and he recieved a power up

with regen

[sage temple]

"wait it might be something else"

[fast pagoda]

Bonney's fruit allows her to imitate other devil fruits

[clear rose]

maybe, him being stuck being a government dog and all that really got me questioning it

[sage temple]

True

[ashen perch]

The clash itself doesn't even have any haki at all, the haki panel comes BEFORE the clash. Its clearly just coming off from Harald only.

[pine scaffold]

Harald said his new strength is unbelievable

[ashen perch]

Come on

[sage temple]

We don't see Haki there

[shadow vault]

Also saying harald same as xebec is pure glaze

[fast pagoda]

Do you think Luffy also gave her the ability to stretch and grow her limbs? Even though she didn't even meet Luffy when she first used that ability?

[muted hedge]

we know that Harald was on par with Xebec.

[clear rose]

from the holy knights buff yeah, still tho idk

[ashen perch]

Yes, read this in order

[pine scaffold]

Yeah I'm only talking about the buffed harald, not regular

[sage temple]

It looks like the scene cuts to what's happening while this is shown

[sweet anvil]

So current Loki is stronger than wb Roger garp and rocks and harald

[unique lagoon]

heres the thing tho
why did imu let him put a pentagram in the castle again?

[clear rose]

I'd be willing to put him at a similar tier to Whitebeard and Roger I guess

[sage temple]

😭

I feel so bad

[clear rose]

but idk about being stronger

[shadow vault]

Nah 100% xebec literally holding back because he friend with harald, those dynamic is like roger and WB

[sage temple]

He's only 16 here too

This is insane

Lmao

[pine scaffold]

Tbh there are statements which suggest Rocks is the strongest enemy of Roger

[sage temple]

Even if it isn't a Haki clash

I wouldn't be too mad

[pine scaffold]

and since Harald is equal to Rocks

[ashen perch]

No, because Oda wouldn't forget to draw the lightning coming off from the clash if it was the case lol

[pine scaffold]

this applies to him too

[sage temple]

Dude's only 16 with no fruit

At all

[sweet anvil]

If your point is that HK harald = domi rocks who needed garp and Roger to beat him

[pine scaffold]

yes

[muted hedge]

i mean there's no confirmation that either of them held back, other than their final encounter where Harald let Xebec go to save his family

[sage temple]

Hm maybe that is the case

[sweet anvil]

Then 16 year old Loki beat Hk harald

[sage temple]

True

[sweet anvil]

And shanks beat a stronger Loki

[muted hedge]

Harald and Xebec stood toe to toe against eachother, in all of their brawls other than the last one

[sage temple]

With some help though

[craggy vapor]

The Nika fruit can obvioisly affect other people and will be used to set the domi reversed giants free.

[pine scaffold]

This is because of the fruit, its a direct counter to his regen

Its like Enel vs Luffy

its matchup diff

[sage temple]

hMM

[sweet anvil]

They’re both using hax

Doesn’t matter

[pine scaffold]

Harald is still stronger than Loki, but Loki counters Harald HARD

[sweet anvil]

Wait

[sage temple]

Maybe Loki might be immune to Domi if his fruit can counter regen

Hmm

Idk though

[sweet anvil]

HK harald isn’t = to Domi rocks

[sage temple]

We'll see

[unique lagoon]

it will just boil down to strongest haki anyway + hax fruit
vs imu

[sweet anvil]

Why are we saying this

[pine scaffold]

he is

[sage temple]

HK Harald is = or more to Domi Rocks

[sweet anvil]

Domi rocks was defending with coc

[pine scaffold]

Domi Rocks cannot bypass HK Harald regen

[sage temple]

HK Harald >= Domi Rocks

[sweet anvil]

HK harald wasn’t

[clear rose]

he was stated to be his most dangerous adversary, but Whitebeard is the strongest man in the world after god valley, a title that Rocks never did have tho ofc he's implied to have been the strongest, I also think that Rocks held back in the second encounter against Harald but thats just an opinion

[sage temple]

Harald was also using CoC

[ashen perch]

All this just for both WB and BM to be stronger than everyone in that castle 🙂‍↕️

[pine scaffold]

Haralds coc was equal to Rocks but then he got a buff

which buffed his coc

[sage temple]

Harald was also using CoC

[pine ridge]

domi rocks was way stronger for sure

[sweet anvil]

He didn’t use it defensively like rocks

[sage temple]

Why does that matter

[pine scaffold]

Yes but it doesnt matter

Haralds regen is better than Domi Rocks

[sage temple]

Exactly

[sweet anvil]

Wdym it doesn’t matter

[clear rose]

yeah Domi rocks must have been crazy powerful, probably top 2

[pine scaffold]

Rocks killed the davy demons

[fast pagoda]

That's just theory and headcanon

[shadow vault]

100% this king aint equal power to xebec

[pine scaffold]

but couldnt kill a holy knight

[sage temple]

Harald doesn't NEED to use defensive Haki because he's literally immortal

He has regen

Loki bypassed this

Until someone does something to counter his regen

He has no reason to defend with CoC

[unique lagoon]

have you considered time has passed between panels

[pine scaffold]

Rocks KILLED Davy demons (Domi reversi)

COULDNT kill a holy knight

[fast pagoda]

Even if that happens, it doesn't change the fact that Bonney's Nika transformation was not caused by Luffy's powers at all

[sweet anvil]

Rocks also had even

[pine scaffold]

This means Harald's regen surpasses domi reversi

[sweet anvil]

Nvm

I’m tweaking

Either way

[sage temple]

https://tenor.com/view/sips-tea-gif-10558867

[sweet anvil]

All of this is a big mihawk upscale

[pine scaffold]

Domi Rocks has no way to bypass Harald's regeneration

[sage temple]

Yeah

[sweet anvil]

If you think about it

[sage temple]

Have you considered no time passing between panels

True

[pine scaffold]

Mihawk gets clapped by HK Harald

[sage temple]

^^

[sweet anvil]

16 year old Loki victim

[sage temple]

HK Harald is >= Domi Rocks

This is a crazy Loki upscale

[pine scaffold]

Loki can beat him but Mihawk cant

[craggy vapor]

I think the Domi powerup and the Level 2 contract powerup are identical.

[pine scaffold]

this is what I mean by matchup diff

hes a counter to Harald

[sweet anvil]

Hm

[muted hedge]

why did you just take the panels of when Harald was getting attacked, lol
Harald was dishing out equal amounts of blows against Xebec in that exchange

[ashen perch]

WB and BM clear tbh

[grand flower]

@ashen perch @hot cairn I wonder if anime onlies also dealt with people saying Kizaru wasn’t selling in egghead

[unique lagoon]

what even is the point of the convo if you just stonewall every possible option

[sage temple]

Yeah

[sweet anvil]

Mihawk can counter regen

Just trust me

Look at his eyes

[sage temple]

[sweet anvil]

There’s no way he can’t

[pine scaffold]

aint downplaying Loki, its just what happens when chars have different powers

[sweet anvil]

He has imus eyes

[hot cairn]

do anime onlies even discuss as much as us?

[pine ridge]

oh yeah I think he was easily the 2nd most powerful being in the world to have existed in the last 800 years right after imu

[sage temple]

Yeah but we don't know what Lokis fruit is so maybe not

[craggy vapor]

just like all theories about how Bonny got Gear 5

[unique lagoon]

imus eyes vs lokis eyes

[sweet anvil]

Oda purposefully gave imu the exact same eyes as mihawk

[unique lagoon]

[pine scaffold]

imma need feats lil bro

[sage temple]

Maybe Loki beat Harald without a fruit

[sweet anvil]

I’m telling you mihawk can counter it

[fast pagoda]

I'm so tired of every conversation turning into being about Mihawk

[sage temple]

Right @ashen perch ?

No fruit?

[pine scaffold]

We know it at least bypasses regen

[sweet anvil]

He violates HK harald

Badly

[sage temple]

No legendary fruit according to da wise

[ashen perch]

They made it VERY unsubtle from what I heard, I haven't watched most of the 2nd half of Egghead yet

[shadow vault]

And that powerfull man got beaten to death by loki

[pine scaffold]

u dont know what ur saying bruh

😭

[clear rose]

https://tenor.com/view/mihawk-one-piece-agenda-piece-mihawk-upscale-mrbeep-gif-4652002396828019758

[sage temple]

Bro is onto nothing

[sweet anvil]

Stay on that side

[unique lagoon]

mihawk prob mastered the honing haki bit
whatever its called

[pine ridge]

talking about domi rocks

[sweet anvil]

HK harald is a prime bm victim with regen

[craggy vapor]

delete this. This disturbs me greatly

[ashen perch]

Yeah it doesn't really matter, I think Ragnir might be a massive deal here

[hot cairn]

but yeah what arsal says it's true, it's not subtle at all in the anime lol

[sweet anvil]

I’m spitting btw

[pine scaffold]

Honestly I think both Harald and Rocks were holding back in that fight, so it cancels them both out

I think its extremely likely they are equals, due to how much Rocks values Harald

[shadow vault]

Well if its rock yeah hes strong as hell

[sage temple]

Yeah and Loki could conquer it

[clear rose]

it is simply one of the greats reacting to his infinite upscale

[unique lagoon]

this guy gets it
ragir will carry

[sage temple]

Wow what a feat

[pine scaffold]

Rocks treats Harald like a brother

he never does that with his crew

[unique lagoon]

woops wrong reply

[shadow vault]

Equal my ass

[ashen perch]

I feel like you're fighting against nobody here Socrates

[sage temple]

Fruitless Loki killed Harald

Insane

[ashen perch]

I think Loki is very powerful

[sage temple]

No I'm not fighting against anyone

I'm just baffled

About how strong Loki is at only 16

[sweet anvil]

Fruitless ?

[frigid gulch]

What does bounty scaling say

[unique lagoon]

socrates debating with shadows

[sage temple]

Yeah, according to Arsalwise

[clear rose]

whats Loki's bounty

[sage temple]

I'm not debating at all

[frigid gulch]

2.6

[sage temple]

This is just very crazy

Idk

[pine scaffold]

imagine Harald does a solo sky split next chapter

[ashen perch]

Bounty scaling says that Loki is above Wano BB

[sweet anvil]

Ok so mihawk > shanks > Loki but Loki > harald because of bypassing regen

[ashen perch]

Early Wano BB

[sage temple]

Bounty scaling can't be used with Loki

[sweet anvil]

So without regen mihawk would violate harald badly

[sage temple]

Since he has a special bounty

[clear rose]

2.6 is pretty good since he's supposed to be quite young by giants standards, he's literally like 18 years old in giant years

[unique lagoon]

yeah then you add bounty inflation

[sage temple]

Yeah like 21

[sage temple]

^^^^^^^^^^^

Also it's hard to bountyscale with Loki

[unique lagoon]

6 years of bounty inflation

[sage temple]

He has a special bounty

[sweet anvil]

No way people think shanks is stronger in the big 25

[ashen perch]

I doubt inflation really mattered in 6 years lol

[sage temple]

What if the special bounty of 2.6b is equal to a normal bounty of 4b

?

[muted hedge]

bountyscaling in general is stupid, lol

[sage temple]

We don't know what special means

True

[ashen perch]

I don't think you know how money works Socrates

[sweet anvil]

Loki lost to shanks though

[clear rose]

yeah something like that, Hajrudin is 81 and he's considered a runt by giant standards, Loki is damn near 20 years younger than even that

[shadow vault]

Agree so true

[unique lagoon]

depends cuz lokis bounty is a special bounty
its not the same with warlords bounty

[pine scaffold]

we dont know the specifics

[sage temple]

We don't know specifics of that fight

[pine ridge]

just wait until the original owner is revealed. it's gonna mark the birth of "lend me some haki" memes

[sweet anvil]

I’m hearing a lot of cope

[sage temple]

... Don't manifst this

[pine scaffold]

Suspect, I wouldnt bother trying to use that yet

Remember how Oda lied all abt GV lol

[sweet anvil]

It’s Odas golden boy

[ashen perch]

Its still berries, it can be a specific special bounty but the value of berries isn't changing

[unique lagoon]

consider if WG kept updating his bounty cuz they really want his ass

[sage temple]

We don't

[sweet anvil]

I mean he didn’t actually lie

[pine scaffold]

he did bruh

[pine ridge]

unfortunately it'll happen

[pine scaffold]

😭

[sage temple]

For all we know, Loki vs Shanks was an extreme diff match

[sweet anvil]

Roger and garp vs rocks did happen

[pine scaffold]

not in the way we thought tho

[muted hedge]

the special-bounty was probably just since Imu had their eyes set on Loki being another puppet like Harald was

[pine scaffold]

at all

[clear rose]

losing to arguably the strongest pirate in the world(barring mihawk I aint gonna use the upscale meme just yet) is not really a bad look, but I have a feeling its more complicated than we think

[unique lagoon]

yeah but does that mean the bounty got frozen 6 years ago?

[sweet anvil]

That was due to reader interpretation

[sage temple]

What if Shanks with an ally like Kaido or Whitebeard fought Loki

[shadow vault]

Even dory brogy that was 100 mill power was strong enough to tear down doffy

[dense rapids]

Loki got jumped

[sage temple]

We don't know

We don't know if it was a 1v1, 2v1, 3v3, 4v1

We don't

[clear rose]

idk man, does shanks really need to jump someone

[muted hedge]

no idea

[fast pagoda]

It doesnt change the fact there's no concrete evidence of showing of Gear 5 turning people into Nika

[sage temple]

[dense rapids]

The thing in Elbaph has been everything is not what it seems

[sweet anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/akkubaba007-jerry-laugh-akku-fav-gif-gif-16150872697915744919

[dense rapids]

Loki isn’t a no good father killer

[sweet anvil]

Alr Socrates calm down now

[pine scaffold]

Socrates, theres a chance even unknown people were involved

[muted hedge]

i mean Gaban specified that only Shanks was capable of stopping Loki

[sage temple]

https://tenor.com/view/sips-tea-gif-10558867

[pine scaffold]

like complete randoms

[dense rapids]

He didn’t steal steal the fruit

[clear rose]

Loki did call Shanks a coward tho, and we know Loki is not a bad person at heart

[unique lagoon]

ill say it dint got frozen
cuz WG kept increasing it so they can get loki

[clear rose]

I'm wondering what he means

or was it really just rage bait

[sage temple]

Yeah we are completely in the dark

[dense rapids]

Shanks jumped Loki

[pine scaffold]

its pointless talking abt this

[sage temple]

So Loki is right below Shanks

?

[pine ridge]

a little bit of trolling

[craggy vapor]

there is less evidence that Bonny turned Gear 5 due to her own power

[sweet anvil]

I think you’re coping because a stronger Loki losing to shanks isn’t a good look for harald

[clear rose]

it'd be in character

[muted hedge]

if you want to interpret it like that, sure
but it just says that Shanks was the sole reason for why he was captured

[shadow vault]

Area you kidding me lol even gaban said only shank can stop lokki hell the giant even said they need red hair to stop loki going rampaging out in the sea

[sage temple]

So Loki and Shanks are almost equal but Loki s a little weaker

[tidal ice]

Yeah probably jumped his ass with the whole crew

[sage temple]

Do we know if Gaban witnessed Loki vs Shanks

[pine scaffold]

Loki can beat Harald but Shanks cant even tho Shanks is stronger

[muted hedge]

not what i was trying to say, but sure

[pine scaffold]

this is just how it is ☠️ ☠️

[shadow vault]

Probably he just know because of the giant tho because the giant was the one asking for the help

[pine scaffold]

Loki only wins due to matchup diff, this aint downplay this is just facts

its like Enel

[clear rose]

yeah but Loki isn't doing that shit mleaciously, he's extreme about what he's trying to do sure but he views it as the right course of action

and plus, Luffy sees him as good so

[frigid gulch]

I doubt every big pirate out there tried to stop him, but Shanks stopping him makes a lot of sense

[clear rose]

luffy's judgment is usually not wrong about people

[frigid gulch]

Probably what made him an emperor too

[shadow vault]

Loki sure is strong but 100% hes like Luffy that still learning to handle his power

[pine scaffold]

current Loki should have a good mastery over his abilities tbh

[muted hedge]

also Loki calling Shanks a coward is probably just Loki being salty over his defeat

[clear rose]

I mean he is physically jumping yes, but its from the front

[fast pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/how-paapabutterfly-gif-22583765

[dense rapids]

Naw he doesn’t says that himself

[unique lagoon]

if you talking about shanks vs loki
loki had 8 years to improve

[craggy vapor]

Some would say Shanks is a rat cuz he used a Roger haki knot against Loki

[clear rose]

also this is 25 year old Shanks

[pine scaffold]

panel pls

[clear rose]

who is way weaker than current Shanks

[sage temple]

Oh yeah

[pine scaffold]

interesting

[dense rapids]

He realizes when Gaban is talking to Zoro and Sanji

[shadow vault]

This meme aint gonna die until shanks dead 😭

[sage temple]

Wdym

[pine scaffold]

so it seems Loki didnt really get that much stronger after what happens

[final trench]

Little does he know

[sage temple]

What if Loki didn't get the concept of conquerors Haki

[dense rapids]

Read the chapter

[sage temple]

What if Loki called it something else

I did read the chapter

[pine scaffold]

yeah maybe its just a haki issue

[sage temple]

What if it was just going by a different name

[dense rapids]

Then what are you confused about

[pine scaffold]

he still has good haki but yeah

[sage temple]

For Loki

[frigid gulch]

That’s what it seems like

[sage temple]

Yeah

[dense rapids]

Gaban tells them about how to use haki then Loki says that

[sage temple]

Maybe Loki just didn't know what Haki was

[shadow vault]

I think Loki still learning with his haki power but surely Loki has 100% conqueror

[clear rose]

its about when Gaban is saying that only people with coc can hurt the knights, Loki obviously implies that he is capable of doing it the best

[pine scaffold]

?? idk abt that ngl

[muted hedge]

i find it strange if Loki wouldn't know what haki was

[sage temple]

Maybe he called it like lifepower or something

[dense rapids]

Probably same situation as Zoro

[sage temple]

Maybe it's just a language issue

[muted hedge]

his idol Xebec was a big fan of haki

[pine scaffold]

it might be a Zoro situation actually

like hes using it without realising

yk

[shadow vault]

I hope we get to see him using advanced haki

[frigid gulch]

His “experience” is clearly with Harald

[muted hedge]

we saw plenty of that

[dense rapids]

He’s using it in the clash with Harald but it could just be a reflex type of thing

[shadow vault]

With that hammer it could 100% destroy a fucking town lol

[grand flower]

Knew their own fans were cooked im cryin

[sage temple]

Yeah he knows what Haki was obv

[dense haven]

zoro vs rocks who wins

[pine scaffold]

Bro fought the strongest in the verse 😭

[sage temple]

But maybe he didn't know what type

[pine scaffold]

Rocks neg diff

one shot

[sage temple]

Maybe he called it something other than Conquerors

[clear rose]

I'm prtty sure he can sink an island with a powerful hit from that hammer

[sage temple]

Maybe god Haki or something

Idk

[pine scaffold]

Ragnir is absurdly powerful

im glad people are realising lmao

[sage temple]

"Verbalize"

[craggy vapor]

Loki inherited Xebec’s will. This means Loki will dog walk Garling

[sage temple]

It often suggests a naming issue

[unique lagoon]

im telling you ragnir is so powerful
you require it to make pluton

[pine scaffold]

Shamrock

[shadow vault]

Wait really? I havent see him using one especially the lightning that came from his hammer but there also black lightning where he clash with harald but we didnt see any haki clash in that panel

[pine scaffold]

he'll dog walk Shamrock for revenge

[frigid gulch]

He says he never ran into them outside on his journey

[sage temple]

Oh shit maybe

[muted hedge]

i thought you meant Rocks

[frigid gulch]

But he has exp prior to that with Harald

So we’ll find out soon

[shadow vault]

No no I mean loki

[clear rose]

Shamrock aboutta get wiped in the 1v1

[pine scaffold]

Shamrock doesnt stand a chance against Loki honestly especially with Loki's fruit

if HK Harald cant beat him, Shamrock is fucked

😭 😭

[craggy vapor]

we don’t know how strong Cerberus is

[muted hedge]

yeah that makes more sense

[pine scaffold]

doesnt matter

[frigid gulch]

Let’s not forget Shanks & Gaban

[clear rose]

Shanks has to show up at some point too

[pine scaffold]

Oh ik, I do think Loki put the most work in tho cuz his fruit directly counters the abyss

[frigid gulch]

Unless they’re just knocked away

[shadow vault]

Is there possibility that 1170 leak will happen after next week?

[frigid gulch]

At minimum I’m sure they’ll land a hit or two

[unique lagoon]

all this elbaf shit will boil down to getting an ancient weapon
i can feel it in my bones

[pine scaffold]

but he'll regen

[frigid gulch]

To figure out that conquerors works

[pine scaffold]

I think they may slow his regen down

but thats about it

[craggy vapor]

yohohoho

[frigid gulch]

Not the only way to help

[pine scaffold]

I dont think they are doing the mass thing

[frigid gulch]

Or rather it could work

[muted hedge]

Shamrock was pretty sure of himself when he said that weither or not Loki was chained wouldn't make a difference

[dense rapids]

I still think Elbaph is getting nuked

[unique lagoon]

the yonko stuff is done now
its time for ancient weapon focus

[pine scaffold]

He could be bluffing

[frigid gulch]

We will see. I don’t think Loki eats the fruit so that’s the natural option

[pine scaffold]

look I wouldnt put it past the CDs lol

[pine scaffold]

oh right, I do tbh

[craggy vapor]

Garling was sure (twice) he could beat Rocks

[muted hedge]

Shamrock doesn't strike as the type to put on a bluff, from what we've seen of him

[ashen perch]

why not

[clear rose]

https://tenor.com/view/kekw-dow-gif-24856862

[pine scaffold]

cuz its built up for Loki to defeat Harald using the fruit

the fruit is the deciding factor

[ashen perch]

this is probably the only HK/Gaban interaction, and we're going to see the things that he is confidently telling the SHs about

[muted hedge]

well, he did kill Xebec in the end

[pine scaffold]

hes gonna see Loki kill Harald and thats why he says they arent immortal

[clear rose]

bro could only defeat rocks when rocks was just a corpse

[shadow vault]

Garling is the most bum and fraud character ever

[clear rose]

love to see it

[sage temple]

Yeah, like Loki killing Harald

[shadow vault]

I wonder how this dude even get elder position lol

[unique lagoon]

never doubted it

[dense rapids]

I mean not really

Loki said he faced a holy knight with haki

[sage temple]

We should lowk stop arguing and start betting

[pine scaffold]

what

[sage temple]

https://tenor.com/view/sips-tea-gif-10558867

[muted hedge]

yeah, it was a safe guess

[dense rapids]

Read the chapter

[craggy vapor]

that’s like Shamrock killing seastoned Loki. Ain’t count

[frigid gulch]

I don’t think that made him champ

It’s just an extra achievement

[sage temple]

This doesn't mean it's just Haki

[pine scaffold]

Harald tells Loki the only way to beat him is with the fruit

[frigid gulch]

From the WG’s perspective

[muted hedge]

it's still a kill, lol

[prisma idol]

Its a misreading of what was said

[ashen perch]

He/Shanks/Loki will figure out the proper usage of CoC that is required to hurt the HKs, possibly kill even. I really dont think it has to be the fruit specifically that killed Harald lol

[frigid gulch]

A significant one though for sure

[muted hedge]

Blackbeard killing Whitebeard doesn't count either then

which just doesn't work

[frigid gulch]

Him being the champ is exclusive to the tourney

[prisma idol]

Though I guess technically speaking Harald is a HK

[shadow vault]

Killing a wounded xebec and made it like they're the one wounded him is funny

[clear rose]

I mean yeah the kill counts, it sure doesn't count towards his fighting prowess or something

[clear rose]

he a bum through and through

[unique lagoon]

you dont really see a lot of people talk about blackbeard defeating WB
its all akainu killed him

[ashen perch]

I mean look at this within context lol

[muted hedge]

Blackbeard killed a wounded Whitebeard, does the same apply?

[dense rapids]

Gaban tells them the holy knights aren’t immortal and to be mindful of how you use haki

Loki said he wasn’t able to put to words his power before (haki)

Loki said he faced a holy knight (Harald)

[muted hedge]

yeah, lol

the double standards are blatant

[dense haven]

garling needed 3 people to kill 1hp rocks

[frigid gulch]

You can go on about him killing Rocks, it just doesn’t mean shit power wise

[ashen perch]

Buggy is right here^

[frigid gulch]

So as long as it’s outside that

Sure

[shadow vault]

Yes BB is weak he wouldn't survive WB if hes not wounded and lost his head to Akainu

[sage temple]

So this just emphasizes that Loki was able to use Conquerors Haki in a certain way to kill Harald

[dense rapids]

Haki is the key not the DF

As Gaban literally said

[sage temple]

Interesting

[muted hedge]

Blackbeard isn't weak

[unique lagoon]

tbf WB was already dead after akainu

[craggy vapor]

Loki’s power probably is related to mass something something

[sage temple]

Yeah it being mass would explain how he killed Harald and not Shanks or Gaban

[shadow vault]

Yeah could die but that man Endurace is crazy

[muted hedge]

essentialy a standing corpse, yeah

[ashen perch]

I think Gaban/Shanks/Loki will all figure it out together, and Ragnir might be key to this too

[unique lagoon]

WB just had all the willpower

[clear rose]

if it is mass related that would be insanely overpowered

[autumn gazelle]

This chapter was actually so good. I love Harald's speech to Loki and Jarul.

"Let Elbaf know what a disgrace of a king I was...I don't care how I'm remembered."

Harald's humility is his most redeeming trait, although it did get him into this situation as well. Idc what anyone says, Harald's a great character.

[shadow vault]

He just smart and tricky

[clear rose]

any sort of mass manipulation is cracked

[pine scaffold]

I guess thats why its a legendary fruit

[tidal ice]

[craggy vapor]

probably a reason why he can kill Holy Knights

[dense rapids]

Yea I think Ragnir x Loki is what actually killed Harald and that’s why Hajrudin was so fearful of it

[sage temple]

I think Loki will be the main fighter since mass and him killing Harald are the things most emphasized about this fb

[frigid gulch]

Haki could counter everything except Imu

He seems different

[ashen perch]

maybe this unique lightning streak has more to it

[muted hedge]

and strong, he almost broke Ace's neck with a simple swipe of his palm

[sage temple]

Yeah it also seems to have chosen Loki as it's rightful user

Or Loki conquered the hammer's will

[frigid gulch]

“I can bring you all to ruin”

[sage temple]

Possibly

[frigid gulch]

[shadow vault]

You know its baffled me that ace even didnt use advanced haki to beat that dude ass

[ashen perch]

yea I agree

[dense rapids]

Ngl looks like it’s trying to leave the room

[sage temple]

"Conquered" the hammers will could cause Loki's Haki bloom

[shadow vault]

I think its because of plot but idk

[muted hedge]

probably due to his hatred for his father, sadly

[unique lagoon]

i wonder if theres going to be debates again if loki coated his hammer like kaido
cuz its black color

[sage temple]

If it can cause lightning, then it can leave the room as it pleases

That's a useless theory bruh

[frigid gulch]

I wanna see if we will get extended antics from Ragnir or he’ll tame it quick

[muted hedge]

maybe Ragnir produces haki lightning

[frigid gulch]

It might have to be in the middle

[ashen perch]

the hammer's gonna respect Loki when he senses his haki or something

[craggy vapor]

not many things would survive a swing of that solid iron hammer

[frigid gulch]

Just cause of time

[clear rose]

its black already before Loki touches it based on the recent chapter tho no

[sage temple]

Yeah it seems like Loki conquered the hammer

[dense haven]

zoro would've tamed ragnir on the spot

[unique lagoon]

watch.. its because of lokis eyes whatever that is

[frigid gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/zoro-enma-draining-haki-one-piece-enma-sword-gif-1718969978146990577

[sage temple]

Sure

[muted hedge]

by throwing it up in the air and see if it hit him into mush or not

[ashen perch]

well maybe but Harald doesnt have the eyes and he was planning to use it

[sage temple]

And it seems like Loki is the rightful user

[dense rapids]

It’s blue

[pine scaffold]

it might be because of the blood perhaps

like the royal blood

[frigid gulch]

Ragnir is simply testing Loki rn

[autumn gazelle]

Harald might be one of the best written characters in the series ngl. Noble, and selfless even, but so tunnel-visioned and easily deceived. He's definitely not wise by any means and has terrible judgement, but that's part of why he's a great character.

[craggy vapor]

by clenching ragnir between his ass cheeks

[unique lagoon]

imu hax
force to use it instead of working with the user

[shadow vault]

Maybe Loki Hammer worked like ENMA/cursed sword true + that hammer seem to have its own will

[sage temple]

Maybe Harald knows Ancient Giants are the best users for it

Since maybe they made it

Legendary Galley La hammer?

[muted hedge]

given the size of it, i doubt anyone but the ancient giants could possibly wield it

[clear rose]

Loki tames the Mahammeraga

[unique lagoon]

because the Loki eyes must pay off somehow

[ashen perch]

its probably related to Galley La yea

[unique lagoon]

im betting the loki eyes is similar to poseideon
happens every X amount of years

[frigid gulch]

Sizing may not a problem with the way Oda adjusts stuff

[dense rapids]

What’s this map Oda is always using

Is this from real life ?

[frigid gulch]

Unless he locks the size

Specifically because it’s for ancient giants

[muted hedge]

it's like twice the size of an ordinary giant

but yeah it might be inconsistent

[frigid gulch]

Kaku’s swords adjusted to him in giraffe form

[unique lagoon]

oda has done multiple of these ye?

maps int he background

[frigid gulch]

They can grow however Oda wants

Or shrink

[dense rapids]

Yea

[pine scaffold]

Oda is terrible with sizes

[shadow vault]

Hajrudin also look small than Loki tho 100% that hammer could be bigger than the giant

[dense rapids]

I think it’s always on the volume covers

[frigid gulch]

Nusjuro’s sword also adjusts to him

[ashen perch]

yea, someone found the source I think

[pine scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-emet-emet-one-piece-emeth-emeth-one-piece-gif-14538905301935927081

[ashen perch]

16th century dutch maps of the world

[frigid gulch]

It’s kinda funny so I don’t mind it

[unique lagoon]

shame
so its not a OP map?

[frigid gulch]

Is Emeth top 2

[pine scaffold]

no

[ashen perch]

nah, its a world map from the 16th century, created by some Dutch cartographer

[pine scaffold]

Emeth cant bypass regen

[frigid gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-joyboy-haki-monkey-d-luffy-joyboy-supreme-haki-gif-11723934246479876182

[sage temple]

Loki and Shirahoshi might be the sovereigns

[dense rapids]

This one?

[unique lagoon]

kinda wish we get more actual maps in this verse

[ashen perch]

yeah I believe so

[sage temple]

And Loki's eyes being activated was what they were referring to as being born

[unique lagoon]

the big push against this is that they should be born at the same time
but the prophesy only mentioned the time of poseidons birth not the other one

[ashen perch]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theatrum_Orbis_Terrarum

[muted hedge]

Loki is probably related to the fire-serpent or something

[ashen perch]

this is the source

[pine scaffold]

This clash is huge

Harald and Loki are insane bruh

[tidal ice]

Will sanji call lokis eyes beautiful when he takes off the blindfold

[ashen perch]

One Piece is essentially set in the 16th century so it makes sense

well not quite, but its a 16th century lol

[dense rapids]

Kinda mad Oda forgot to draw the lighting

[pine scaffold]

eh it dont matter

[ashen perch]

he didnt, they just arent related

[pine scaffold]

at least its here

[dense rapids]

Look at the chapter

Shanks and Gaban sense the haki and next panel is the clash

[mighty shell]

he didn't even include greenland what an IDIOT

[ashen perch]

I have looked at the chapter, youre assuming that no time has passed between the two panels lol

[unique lagoon]

heres the wording of the prophesy
i think this is the Viz translation

[sage temple]

I been telling em the Haki came from the clash

[tidal ice]

Did they split the skies?

[dense rapids]

Shush I was the one who told u

[pine scaffold]

no

[unique lagoon]

people say its luffy, vivi, momo now loki

[ashen perch]

Oda is fighting for his life trying to compress 30 pages of his rough drafts into 17 pages every week, he isnt gonna show every little thing

[sage temple]

Yeah, Shirahoshi might've been unlocked powers there and Loki's powers will unlock soon