also-manga

[tranquil blade]

It's okay guys if YC leaves I'll go to germany and update you guys on his status as an op fan

[royal orchid]

all things considered

[prisma yacht]

So they say

[trim lily]

i dont think a single person doubted that loki would have to scuffle with harald considering the castle incident

[sage temple]

Yet there were plenty of people saying he killed Harald like Garling killed Rocks

[trim lily]

both can be true

[digital spear]

W Avery. We as a community need to stick together in these trying times

[urban lodge]

That would be pretty funny

[fallen meteor]

W avery w user w speed

[red lagoon]

Ong

[sage temple]

No it isn't. In Garling's case, he lost to Rocks, others did the work to beat Rocks, and he came back to finish Rocks off

Which is what people were saying previously

[ocean sigil]

Thank God he had a helmet

[sage temple]

But not that it happened you deny all slander against Loki all of a sudden

[trim lily]

remember to wear helmets kids

[royal orchid]

jarul dog ass really said the helmet protected him

[iron oriole]

Safety first

[pine scaffold]

This is genuinely crazy imo

[prisma yacht]

It did

[ocean sigil]

This should be an advertisement for kids.. this exact panel

[digital spear]

W Jarul for turning this gruesome accident into a funny gag

[tranquil blade]

Teenagers can handle it

[iron oriole]

It would have split Jaruls head in two if not for the helmet

[pine scaffold]

I know clashes in OP dont often mean direct equals

[tranquil blade]

Besides he had a helmet on

[pine scaffold]

but they are at least relative

[pine scaffold]

in terms of haki

[fallen meteor]

Dad and son

[sage temple]

Yeah true

[tranquil blade]

W Marin W Speed

[sage temple]

Yeah in terms of strength, clashes, especially with weapons, often suggest they're close in strength

[pine scaffold]

Tho I will say, if Loki kept trying to fight Harald without getting his fruit.. he would have lost

[sage temple]

And Loki had no Ragnir or DF there

[pine scaffold]

thats why Harald tells him he NEEDS the fruit

[sage temple]

Yeah because he can't counter regen..?

[pine scaffold]

yeah

eventually harald would just outlast Loki

and Loki has nothing to bypass regen

[ocean sigil]

Do you all think Hajrudin will believe the story of Loki? What if he says I dont believe a murderer like you

[trim lily]

probably

[muted hedge]

he has no choice at this point

[tough igloo]

gaban will just confirm it

[red lagoon]

Gaban can cosign

[royal orchid]

what if imu pulls out the sword from jarul's head and it kills him on the spot
that'd be funny I think

[sage temple]

Alr then it's not like we're saying Loki is equal with Harald there but it's pretty obvious that their power outputs at that time were at least equal

[ocean sigil]

Gaban dead

[trim lily]

it would be very funny if we spent 16 chapters on it then everyone went "nah that didnt happen"

[ocean sigil]

He dead

[red lagoon]

Bruh

[ocean sigil]

Just kill Lokj

[fallen meteor]

Flashback ends
Hjarudin says "I dont believe you"
Stabs and kills Loki

[trim lily]

good ending

[sage temple]

Ha ha yeah everyone laugh

[muted hedge]

they need Loki to secure Elbaph

[trim lily]

also what if none of this true

[royal orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/i-used-to-pray-for-times-like-this-i-used-to-pray-meek-mill-dreams-and-nightmares-dreams-and-nightmares-michael-jordan-gif-4600240804856944817

[red lagoon]

New ending unlocked

[ocean sigil]

[trim lily]

he pulled a law and made this up to make everyone feel bad for him

[ocean sigil]

FRR WHAT IF LOKI TRICKS US ALL

[sage temple]

What if Luffy has cancer and this entire story is just his comatose dream

[royal orchid]

FACT: Loki made up his past so people would feel bad for him

[pine scaffold]

''No one else can beat me with these godly powers''

[trim lily]

did you really think rocks wasnt evil? of course he was, this was loki's biased view of him

[pine scaffold]

so deadass the only way to beat Harald is to use a fruit to directly counter him

its like Enel

[sage temple]

FACT: One Piece itself is just some random kid's coma

[muted hedge]

i don't think that Loki will get a direct counter to the regeneration, more so just a valuable asset to combat it

[ocean sigil]

ONGGG

[fallen meteor]

Kingslayer df

[sage temple]

Yeah pretty much

[urban lodge]

Haki haki fruit

[sage temple]

Yeah but in the end, Loki will be able to disable the regen so Harald dies

[royal orchid]

the one piece is him waking up from a 2 year coma

[fallen meteor]

Betrayal logia

[red lagoon]

There’s ppl who acc say rocks isn’t evil

[royal orchid]

it's peak

[sage temple]

Pretty obvious

[ocean sigil]

Shamrock actually put poison in him with cerberus

[fallen meteor]

Patricide zoan

[red lagoon]

Ppl ignore rock’s introduction of stabbing kid Loki

[ocean sigil]

He isn't

[trim lily]

betrayal logia would go hard

[pine scaffold]

Everyone agrees Luffy would have lost to Enel if it wasnt for his fruit

So even tho Loki does end up KILLING Harald, it doesnt automatically mean hes stronger than Harald

[muted hedge]

yeah, together with Gaban and Shanks, they'll probably each output enough haki to overwhelm the regeneration similair to what Roger and Garp managed to do against Xebec

[pine scaffold]

at best its relative

[red lagoon]

Bruh

[pine scaffold]

which is still very impressive

[royal orchid]

a what

[sage temple]

And it's pretty cool that Loki and Joyboy are the only ones so far that can actually combat Abyss powers like regen

[ocean sigil]

Bro is not worse than Roger

[red lagoon]

Bro tried to use kings and queens as bargaining chips and ppl say he not evil

[urban lodge]

Yeah this is why you don't even say it, I've learned it the hard way

[red lagoon]

😭😭😭

[muted hedge]

speaking of Shamrock, i think he has another power which isn't Cerberus

[sage temple]

Gaban and Shanks aren't included in the requirements to undo regen

[trim lily]

self explantory i think

[red lagoon]

How

[sage temple]

Just Haki output isn't a regen counter

So I doubt Gaban and Shanks will do much help here

[ocean sigil]

Most likely, Cerberus is the DF of his Sword

[pine scaffold]

If Harald was domi reversi'd, Gaban and Shanks would have to use the haki trick

[sage temple]

Since Shanks isn't a Yonko and Gaban is old

[muted hedge]

i don't think they'll just watch

[pine scaffold]

but since Harald is a full on Gods Knight, that doesnt work

[stone terrace]

Law tried to do this to tbf

[red lagoon]

And law evil too😭😭

[muted hedge]

yeah, he'll have a seperate power in himself most likely

[sage temple]

Yeah but even if they do help, they wont be able to do permanent damage

[pine scaffold]

You cant kill Gods Knights by using haki

at best you slow regen down

[sage temple]

Yeah exactly

[muted hedge]

i think they will, but let's see

[sage temple]

Okay well nothing says they know how to but you can think what you want

[pine scaffold]

Rocks was able to kill Davy Demons (Domi reversi) but not kill holy knights

[urban lodge]

You use even morerererer mass

[pine scaffold]

that tells me everything

[sage temple]

Exactly

[iron oriole]

Gaban at least thinks its possible, he says they're not immortal

[sage temple]

This is pretty easy to gather from it

[muted hedge]

i'm just never going to doubt Shanks when he is in a scenario, we know that Oda loves to push him to the forefront of things

[fluid cedar]

ones immortal the others not

[ocean sigil]

Xebec was fighting other pirates like Roger
Xebec was fighting the world government because he knew the truth, Roger learned it later
Xebec cared for his comrades and his family, like Roger
Xebec is a D. So is Roger

[sage temple]

Yeah because he witnessed Loki kill Harald

[pine scaffold]

Shanks and Gaban's main mission here is to stall Harald for Loki to arrive

[stone terrace]

Harald being dead is proof they arent immortal yeah

[pine scaffold]

Jarul instructed them with that task

[sage temple]

Yeah because from where we've seen him, he's been a Yonko

[ocean sigil]

Kings and Queens mostly deserve what happen to them, with some exceptions

[red lagoon]

How does this mean Roger is worse than xebec

[muted hedge]

even before he was an emperor, he was at the forefront for getting the fruit to Luffy for example

[sage temple]

Right now, Shanks isn't a Yonko, meaning this moment is distinguished from current Oda glaze

[muted hedge]

and he was a prodigy at Rogers crew, able to mimic Rogers techniques etc.

[red lagoon]

U saying mostly and not all tells u why rocks is a bad person

[prisma yacht]

Bro what 😭

[red lagoon]

There no specification rocks targeted “bad” kings and queens

[sage temple]

Yeah and that was against a random CP9 ship

[muted hedge]

i don't think that just not being an emperor would make Oda glaze him less

[red lagoon]

He just did it too kings and queens

[ocean sigil]

They are pretty same.not worse than others.
You know that it was Roger who obliterated Squards crew in the worse way

[sage temple]

You're comparing how Shanks is shown now to how he was 14 years ago. They aren't of the same strength level so there's no reason for Oda to treat them like that's the case.

[fallen meteor]

This is like shanks glaze: origin so 100% oda will make him pivotal

If shanks is around there's 99% chance oda makes it his story

[muted hedge]

yeah

[fallen meteor]

Hes 50/50 in protagonism

[ocean sigil]

Luffy used the people of Dressrosa to escape Fujitora
Luffy used Vivi to escape the Navy

[red lagoon]

We don’t know why Roger did and I don’t think pirate on pirate fights make u evil unless we know why it happened

[muted hedge]

Shanks is the second most important, other than Luffy after all

[sage temple]

You're acting like Oda thinks he's god himself. Shanks isn't glazed from nowhere from when we see him. He's given these feats because of how powerful he is. And at this time specifically Shanks is far from how powerful he is now since he's years prior to the moment he became Yonko

[red lagoon]

He didn’t use them

He never told them to do it

[prisma yacht]

He loves shanks
He doesn't care if its the current one or younger

[red lagoon]

Luffy always gets helped by peoples own accord

[muted hedge]

Gaban called him the child of destiny, if that isn't glaze i don't know what is

[pine scaffold]

Shanks and Gaban will help against Harald, but Loki will be the main reason they win the fight

[sage temple]

Not really if Shanks expresses how he himself doesn't know how to counter regen

[pine scaffold]

Loki is the only one who can defeat harald's godly powers

[fallen meteor]

Until he does

[ocean sigil]

This is all just Xebec hate, blinded by hate, Xebec isn't a bad guy, he is just a guy trying to survive the harsh world and fight the World Government

[sage temple]

That isn't glaze that's literally just a nickname/label given to him that we don't know the purpose of at all

[sage temple]

Yeah, but until he does, saying he will is pure headcanon

[fallen meteor]

Yeah, oda's

[muted hedge]

it's definitely glaze

[sage temple]

Yeah it's almost like he writes the story

[pine scaffold]

Strongest in the castle rn:

Holy Knight Harald
Loki
Gaban
Shanks
Jarul

imo

[red lagoon]

Is that in order or just a list

[sage temple]

For all we know that just means he'll stay out of major fights

[pine scaffold]

in order

[sage temple]

We don't know what the nickname is and until we do it isn't really galze

[red lagoon]

Gaban over shanks kinda crazy

[muted hedge]

i don't know how you came to that conclusion, Shanks has been in the forefront for a long time now

[pine scaffold]

nah at this point in time it aint

Shanks aint in his prime fr

[sage temple]

Yes because he's a Yonko

[pine scaffold]

Prime Shanks is stronger than Gaban

[red lagoon]

This a gaban who not at sea anymore

[muted hedge]

no, i mean in this flashback too

[pine scaffold]

yeah but Gaban still has adventures in Elbaf

[muted hedge]

we just saw him help Fisher Tiger

[pine scaffold]

hes still active

[muted hedge]

infiliterate Marijoa

[pine scaffold]

and he isnt super old

[sage temple]

And I'm not saying that's what the nickname is

[sage temple]

Yes, he wasn't the forefront

[muted hedge]

he was in the forefront

[sage temple]

He isn't even the forefront of the flashback

He was just who Harald met

[pine scaffold]

The forefront of the flashback is Harald

[muted hedge]

i mean we got Shanks POV now when he was talking with Gaban

that's the forefront to me

[sage temple]

Exactly this is just Shanks dickriding

[muted hedge]

it's not

[pine scaffold]

Shanks will get glazed but this is Loki's time to shine imo

[muted hedge]

i am just saying that i don't expect Oda to cut any ropes when it comes to glazing Shanks

i think that Shanks will be glazed at any oppertunity

[muted hedge]

Loki will shine

[sage temple]

So since we see Ripley and Jaguar D Saul they become forefronts

Them being show doesn't mean they're the forefront

You can't define forefront and say Shanks fit that definition

[muted hedge]

you can't compare Saul or Ripley to Shanks, we already know that Shanks has a huge importance to the story at large

Shanks knows about the God Knights and the covenants and all that as well

[sage temple]

Yes that's the story but in the flashback just because we see him doesn't mean he's the forefront

The forefront of this incident is Loki and maybe Harald

[pine scaffold]

its the two of them

[muted hedge]

i'd say Shanks is included in that spotlight as well

[pine scaffold]

if u say this then u have to say Gaban too

[fluid cedar]

its been harald since the start

[sage temple]

Forefront means the leading or most important position

[pine scaffold]

we cant have this many people bruh

[muted hedge]

to a lesser degree, yes

[sage temple]

Shanks being given a POV isn't a forefront

[sage temple]

If it's a lesser degree then it isn't a forefront

[pine scaffold]

Rocks literally had 10 chapters

😭

[sage temple]

You're acting like eveyrone in the story is a forefront

[muted hedge]

no i am not

[sage temple]

If the entire planet of earth is shown in a chapter does that mean everyone is the forefront of that

No it doesn't

[muted hedge]

i don't think you understand what i am trying to say

[prisma idol]

What does this mean sb

[sage temple]

Saying Shanks is the forefront because he was given a POV in that little house is flawed logic

[muted hedge]

Shanks has been given spotlight more than just in Gabans house

[pine scaffold]

Like we are talking abt the main focus of this flashback

I'd argue its Harald

[fluid cedar]

Ragnir is important in the story of elbaph and it showing up and having a speech bubble with loki makes its the forefront

[muted hedge]

all throughout this flashback ever since God Valley when he was a baby, he has been given spotlight

[pine scaffold]

but others are arguing its Shanks and Harald

[sage temple]

I think you're trying to shift the definition of forefront because you want Shanks to have the spotlight in this incident

[prisma idol]

The main focus is on Harald, Shanks will end up looking good here

Loki will end up looking good as well more so

[sage temple]

He was given a few panels

[tranquil blade]

The main focus is on Harald, not that red-haired bastard

[ruby moat]

Shanks was likely the one to defeat harald

[muted hedge]

i don't want Shanks to have the spotlight, i'm just saying that Oda's glazing knows no bounds when it comes to Shanks

[sage temple]

God Valley was Rocks, Roger, Imu, and Garp spotlight

[pine scaffold]

I agree, Shanks will look good here

But this is Loki's time to shine imo

alongside Harald

[prisma yacht]

We know it's loki

[sage temple]

That isn't "glaze" that listerally just a panel of where Shanks fucking came from

[wraith mantle]

shanks is gonna play a major role in this incident

[pine scaffold]

I aint saying Shanks will have nothing, he will have something

[muted hedge]

i am talking about the upcoming incident

[ruby moat]

Idk man shanks is pretty strong

[muted hedge]

Shanks being here is setting him up for greatness

[wraith mantle]

oda is not gonna put shanks here for fun, hes gonna do something big

[sage temple]

This is Shanks 14 years ago who got scarred by a DF-less Blackbeard

[prisma idol]

Shanks will shine better when we see him thrash loki later

[muted hedge]

even more so given that we already know that Shanks is the one who eventually takes down Loki

[sage temple]

You're acting like Shanks was Yonko level since the womb

[sage temple]

^

[sage temple]

Yeah, when he's a Yonko

Not now

[muted hedge]

this has nothing to do with him being an emperor or not

[prisma idol]

For now the focus is on Loki

[sage temple]

So I don't get how that's important

[sage temple]

This message wasn't directed to you

[muted hedge]

i thought it was an open conversation

[ruby moat]

Idk man shanks is pretty strong

[opal gulch]

any theories why shanks went against loki and chained him?

[sage temple]

Well it wasn't directed to you but Bartsky is baiting rn so just continue I guess

[fluid cedar]

Not relevant to the flashback that happens 8 years later

[sage temple]

Wha were you saying

[muted hedge]

Loki was causing a ruckuss across sea, probably endangered some of Shanks friends if i had to guess

[prisma yacht]

So what

[prisma idol]

Shanks solos the verse

[formal wagon]

kaido just says shit man

[ruby moat]

He’s pretty strong

[sage temple]

Shanks being here shows hopw he's just responding to an island emergency

[sage temple]

See none of them know how to combat it

[prisma idol]

Kaido was just a contrarian or whatever its called

[opal gulch]

Yeah but loki is a product of bad upbringing, i can see how he decided to go abit wild after harald died but still i feel sorry for the guy

[sage temple]

And saying they'll learn it immediately because Oda glazes them is kind of pointless

[ruby moat]

Shanks opening the eye that was scarred even tho it probably hurts is rly honorable of him and shows how much he cares

[pine scaffold]

This is Loki's most important moment in his entire life

why are we debating this

😭 😭

[sage temple]

Shanks fans I guess

"Oda glaze knows no bounds"

🙄

[prisma yacht]

That is thigh's work tho

[ashen perch]

this is really the biggest time for him to shine now, because he is gonna get bullied by Imu in the present

[opal gulch]

I can also see why gaban, shanks and loki decided on loki taking all the blame for haralds death it makes sense

[ashen perch]

so let him have his moment

[sage temple]

Mediocre bait

[pine scaffold]

actually idk abt that anymore lmao

if his fruit indeed counters the abyss

[sage temple]

Anyways since Loki is the only one on the island to be able to combat regen

[ashen perch]

not bait, who hasnt gotten bullied by Imu?

[pine scaffold]

Imu is easily stronger than Loki, but since his fruit is a direct counter to the abyss he may stand a chance

[sage temple]

This is important to the story since nobody knows how to beat regen quite yet

[tranquil blade]

If Shanks gets bullied by Imu I'd be happy

[azure wasp]

Wapol

[sage temple]

-# Including Shanks

[opal gulch]

im afraid the regen counter is just moar haki.. wich is sad

[fluid cedar]

Cobra

[ashen perch]

Really people are being so unrealistic about this, Oda drew this guy bullying 6-7 of the best of the best basically

[sage temple]

👍

[ashen perch]

he is not gonna be in trouble against "Loki" or "Luffy"

[sage temple]

Oda drew this guy bullying 6-7 of the best of the best that can't counter regeneration

[distant vine]

Garp didnt get bullied

[sage temple]

But yeah just ignore the context Arsal

[pine scaffold]

its somewhat the answer, however to permanently defeat a holy knight, you need strong df

[formal wagon]

I just had an idea. You know how shanks is named shanks? what does shanks rhyme with? Pranks. His arm is fine he's just fucking wiht luffy

[ashen perch]

I dont think Loki's DF is countering regen?? where is that coming from

[muted hedge]

we dont know what Lokis fruit even is yet

[pine scaffold]

cuz Rocks wasnt able to kill holy knights and hes super powerful

[grand flower]

Gaban does

[sage temple]

Harald

[formal wagon]

pin this

[sage temple]

Loki literally killing Harald

[ashen perch]

we dont even know what the fruit in the chest is

[sage temple]

??

[ashen perch]

and if Loki gets it at all

[sage temple]

That doesn't matter, we now know that whatever Loki gets, he kills Harald

[pine scaffold]

''NO ONE ELSE CAN BEAT ME WITH THESE GODLY POWERS''

[sage temple]

Who else then

We see claw marks on the wall of the castle

[opal gulch]

well we dont know about that. But what we do know is that strong haki can cancel devil fruit powers

[sage temple]

Yet that just comes from a random

???

[ashen perch]

it could just be Nika lol, that still is possible, all I am saying

[ruby moat]

This can be interpreted as “only the fruit can beat me” but also “you need the fruit to keep up with me”

[prisma idol]

Harald is just dumb, give it 2 arcs and about 15 people will be able to beat him easily

[sage temple]

Why would Loki do all this and not eat the fruit

[fluid cedar]

shamrock shows up and saves the day with his Cerberus

[formal wagon]

we haven't seen gaban's devil fruit yet

[opal gulch]

calling him just dumb is naive,

[formal wagon]

maybe gaban is a furry

[sage temple]

Luffy could die in Elbaph lol, that is still possible, all I am saying

[formal wagon]

would explain a lot

[sage temple]

Just saying shit

[prisma yacht]

That's definitely not the Nika fruit 😭🙏

[ashen perch]

also pretty sure this isnt true lol, he is talking about who could kill him in Elbaf in that moment I am sure

[pine scaffold]

I think he needs the fruit alongside his own haki as well

[wraith mantle]

what if shanks recognizes its the nika fruit and stops loki from eating it?

[pine scaffold]

He def needs the fruit to succeed tho

[prisma idol]

Also note he doesn't know shanks is there either

[glacial bear]

What if Gaban truly does have a big appetite & eats literal Mountains

[sage temple]

Then how would it get to CP9

That's extremely unlikely

[ashen perch]

true true

[urban lodge]

Yeah that's the thing, how would it end up with Who's Who of all people lol

[formal wagon]

thats a good theory

[glacial bear]

Waiteeeerrr. More mountains!!!

[ashen perch]

also, that could be Shamrock

[sage temple]

I think Occam's Razor can be used here

[formal wagon]

.

[pine scaffold]

Jarul tells Shanks and Gaban that Harald must not stop Loki from getting the fruit

[sage temple]

https://tenor.com/view/moving-goalposts-goalposts-changing-requirements-gif-25214446

[pine scaffold]

so Loki needing the fruit is still vital to defeating harald

even with shanks and gaban present

[tranquil blade]

U got aired

[formal wagon]

so loki is stronger than shanks and gaban

[formal wagon]

YEAH I FRIGGIN NOTICED

[prisma yacht]

Ts so funny 😭

[sage temple]

Gorosei say the fruit has been avoiding them in each era, The fruit itself is in CP9's possession years after this, Loki has no reason not to eat the fruit

[opal gulch]

I'm gonna guess the fruit from the chest is fenrir, there is a panel in the chapter were luffy and zoro meet gaban that has a claw mark on the wall

[glacial bear]

Shamrock & Shanks have a secret third brother named Slim Shady.

[prisma idol]

I do still think its possible Loki didnt eat the fruit

[ashen perch]

The random ass Ace mention is imo not random at all, its establishing a connection between Shanks and Ace that leads him to Fuusha Village, he will go there searching for Roger's son to give him the fruit.

Harald actively tries to go after the fruit this chapter, which made me recall that line from Jarul about him wanting to be Nika too in reference to what happened at Aurust. And that part about him being capable of ending the world if he got it is also clearly a reference to the people of Elbaf viewing Nika as the one that can destroy the world.

[pine scaffold]

no holy knights are showing up now

[prisma idol]

Until we see him swallow and use the power that will always be a possibility

[sage temple]

Yet it doesn't stop you from making up an ad hoc theory that's as unlikely as possible and saying "yeah bro it's still possible he didn't eat it"

[ashen perch]

I didnt believe it was Nika anymore before this chapter, but its very very 50/50 now

[formal wagon]

its a hammer so its probably too hard to eat

[glacial bear]

Oda needs to give up gassing Ace after his death

[opal gulch]

we dont know if garp mentioned his name to gaban

[tough dust]

gas him up even more oda

🙏

[formal wagon]

ace died to the strongest person in the whole series

[fluid cedar]

Whats the other 50

[prisma idol]

Swords changes sizes all the time who's to say the fruit can't

[prisma yacht]

[prisma idol]

Besides we havent actually seen the fruit itself

[formal wagon]

keep in mind akainu one shot a yonko and is indirectly responsible for the deaths of 2 other ones

[ashen perch]

I know, I should correct that, I mean East Blue in general. We know Shanks was staying in there for more than a year and making a bunch of voyages for some unknown purpose. I think that is him trying to find Roger's son because he has no clue who he is.

[glacial bear]

Wakainu

[prisma yacht]

Ok wait you meant akainu

Hellnaww

[formal wagon]

yeah

who else would i mean 😭

[sage temple]

And notice how we run away from the idea that Loki is the one that killed Harald to if he ate the fruit

[tranquil blade]

Oh thats...

[opal gulch]

yeah i think thats more likely the reason

[ashen perch]

Just a different Legendary fruit, like the hellflame serpent for example

[formal wagon]

THIS DOESNT EVEN WORK ANYMORE ITS BEEN PATCHED

[prisma yacht]

Obviously Blackbeard 🙄

[glacial bear]

Honestly Akainu did kill 3/4 of the Yonko

[tranquil blade]

...

[ruby moat]

I thought it was Magellan

[glacial bear]

All lava is him

[formal wagon]

akainu is the strongest not counting blackbeard of course

[ashen perch]

50% chance its Nika, 50% chance its not basically

[prisma idol]

I mean whether loki ate the fruit or not has always been a discussion

[glacial bear]

Loki definitely ate the fruit

[prisma idol]

And it has an impact on the possibility of loki killing Harald

[opal gulch]

oda will never tell

[glacial bear]

Loki will overwhelm God Knight Harald

[sage temple]

It is not 50/50 at all, Loki eating a legendary fruit this chapter is the most likely thing that will happen to the fruit so far

[dense rapids]

He doesn’t have to

I see it

[tranquil blade]

Loki is finally God Knight level 🥹

[sage temple]

People will turn a 90% chance of happening to 50/50 of if he eats it or if he doesn't eat it

[ashen perch]

I already explained why, theres multiple things this chapter that could be pointing to it just being Nika

[glacial bear]

I think Gyaban also stated nobody could stop Loki until Shanks did? Even so, that’s gas 🔥

[sage temple]

https://tenor.com/view/speed-ishowspeed-annoyed-speed-trying-not-to-laugh-speed-annoyed-gif-9796470131563160015

[dense rapids]

Socrates argue the same thing about Loki everyday

It’s like I’m living in a simulation

[sage temple]

Nothing in this chapter points to it being Nika

They just call it a legendary Devil Fruit

[formal wagon]

but luffy ate that fruit not loki

[sage temple]

And you're interpreting the legendary DF as Nika

[ashen perch]

didnt even read what I posted

[urban lodge]

Loki flows through his veins

[formal wagon]

woah

luffy = loki

[glacial bear]

Imu is Nika

[formal wagon]

huge loki slander

[ruby moat]

It was probably shanks tjat defeated harald tbh

[glacial bear]

What a sell out smh

[sage temple]

What did you post

[formal wagon]

did harald peak here

[sage temple]

I'm looking at what you posted and nothing there says the Elbaph fruit is Nika

[glacial bear]

Harald said “wait a minute nvm this shii actually feels good!”

[pine scaffold]

I hope we get some crazy Harald feats next chapter

solo sky split like Rocks

🙏

[formal wagon]

Harald is just big and stupider roger in a way

[glacial bear]

Jarul should start spinning around with that sword in his head. Whacking everyone with it

[fluid cedar]

him being on rock’s level is enough feats

[formal wagon]

they both have a moustache like that

[pine scaffold]

MOREEEE!!!!

[formal wagon]

they both have 3 sons

[fluid cedar]

The handle would just be hurting him

[glacial bear]

Harald copied Warcuy’s stache

[fluid cedar]

shoving it deeper in

[glacial bear]

Trueee

[ashen perch]

The random ass Ace mention is imo not random at all, its establishing a connection between Shanks and Ace that leads him to East Blue, he will go there searching for Roger's son to give him the fruit. This is all building to that.

Harald actively tries to go after the legendary fruit this chapter, which made me recall that line from Jarul about him wanting to be Nika too in reference to what happened at Aurust. And that part about him being capable of ending the world if he got it is also clearly a reference to some people in Elbaf viewing Nika as the one that can destroy the world.

this

[pine scaffold]

what if the fruit is the destroyer variant of Nika

[glacial bear]

What if Roger’s sword was named Akainu and not Ace

[pine scaffold]

like we could totally bring that idea back

[ashen perch]

it could be yea

[sage temple]

What Ace mention

[grand flower]

Holy shit bruh lmfao

[fluid cedar]

Then his son wouldn’t get donuted

[ashen perch]

indirect Ace mention...

come on man

[sage temple]

Do they say his name or what

[grand flower]

You’re above this

[sage temple]

What chapter

[ashen perch]

okay

[sage temple]

How impossible could it be to answer a question

Acting like answering a question comes out of your lifespan

[wraith mantle]

shanks talked about ace with gaban in this chapter

[ashen perch]

Socrates I think you know what I am talking about

[opal gulch]

I was on that bandwagon for a while but then i thought about rocks talking about needing two fruits. Yes the obvious answer is nika and yami yami. But after this chapter i got a gut feeling that this fruit has nothing to do with that, its more tight to norse mythology fenrir is my best guess due to obvious connection between loki and fenrir. Oda leaves us a hint showing us a claw mark on the wall were zoro and luffy meet gaban.

[grand flower]

I been saying bro

[glacial bear]

I found it strange why Harald didn’t eat the DF

Perhaps not required by kings to eat it

[trim lily]

i dont think any of them are supposed to

[grand flower]

So when shanks and Gaban were talking about Roger’s son you thought that was a new mysterious character huh

[pine scaffold]

I honestly think this proves Loki ate the fruit

[formal wagon]

and i am the december god who brings egghead to an end

[glacial bear]

Oh my

[pine scaffold]

cuz jarul says the same thing abt the fruit

[sage temple]

Gaban telling Shanks about his captain's son, which he should know about, isn't random and the idea that it somehow means the fruit of Elbaph is the Nika fruit

[glacial bear]

Jarul is Yonko commander level tanking that sword to the head

[trim lily]

the helmet is yonko tier

[sage temple]

No I just don't remember someone saying Ace which is what I thought you were talking about

[opal gulch]

the sword to the head is a refference or a gag, nothing deeper than that im afraid

[sage temple]

Word though I guess

[grand flower]

Dawg Arsal is sayin that this chapter gives substance to the idea that Shanks was in the east blue lookin for Ace

The conversation theyre having about Ace coincides with convos about Nika

[fluid cedar]

Yes Referring to buggy himself

[ashen perch]

thank you

[grand flower]

It’s the story making the reader think about these things together

[glacial bear]

Buggy color spread with cross guild in suits please

Richie can be the tiger

[trim lily]

do we know shanks intended to give the fruit to ace or was that just a theory

[ashen perch]

Socrates, theres intent behind each scene that makes up a chapter, I think that was brought up in this moment to build towards where we are going with the DF

[prisma idol]

Theory

[grand flower]

Sometimes you gotta hold their hand

[trim lily]

ah

[leaden rivet]

Every chapter I lose hope that we’ll see Loki get rejected

Only thing I wanted to see from this blasted flashback

[glacial bear]

Rejected?

[trim lily]

we will see the loki and lola scene eventually

[opal gulch]

if shanks and the red hair pirates were truly serious about their search for ace they didnt really take that job too serious. They spent a year at foosha village and didnt manage to find ace

[fluid cedar]

He went out to sea after harald died hes not dead yet

[trim lily]

maybe just not this flashback

[wraith mantle]

loki lola is sbs material

[trim lily]

another year of waiting...

[dense rapids]

[leaden rivet]

Yes I know

[grand flower]

That’s kind of the point of hiding someone

[glacial bear]

It would be so messed up if Imu brings up Lola to Loki & that causes him to get Domi Reversi’d

[leaden rivet]

And like I’m curious if Loki really likes Lola because she’s similar to Ida

[grand flower]

That’s heat I’m ngl

[trim lily]

i really hope he genuinely loved her

[leaden rivet]

Why would a man like Loki love the ugliest woman in one piece?

[opal gulch]

comon, if they spend a year there they would have found him

[leaden rivet]

There has to be more to it

And I’ve been waiting

[grand flower]

I find it very easy to believe they didn’t because Garp did a good job at choosing a hiding spot for nim

[ashen perch]

nobody ever managed to find Ace till he became a world famous pirate, thats kind of the point of it all

[grand flower]

Him*

No civilians knew

And the bandits weren’t telling

[trim lily]

it seems like this flashback will be ending with the castle incident

[grand flower]

Garp isn’t telling

[trim lily]

its already gone on for so long

[formal wagon]

what if ace was a marine. would koby die? lmk

[ashen perch]

Garp made sure no one could ever find him, even Gaban doesnt have a name on the kid and he is as close to Roger as anyone can be

[leaden rivet]

That’s really where it makes sense to end

Because we wasted so much time on the rocks stuff

[trim lily]

tragic

[grand flower]

https://tenor.com/view/triple-h-disgusted-shoo-yuck-nasty-gif-13633705

[sage temple]

Plenty of things outweigh these 2 weak points though

• Elders say the Nika fruit has evaded them after attempts every era, The Elbaph fruit has been passed down through each monarch for at least 2 centuries
• Nika fruit was in CP9 possession before Shanks got it. Nobody in the castle is CP9 and from what I recall CP9 hasn't been able to reach Elbaph at all recently since Muginn guards it.
• Loki is literally in front of the fruit and there's no reason for him to decide not to eat it after running this far to just do that
• Harald says the fruit is key to beating him and Harald was killed by Loki, who is said to have eaten that fruit. Doesn't make sense for base Loki to be able to kill Harald at 16 without a fruit but I guess this is an upscale so not mad at it
  I mentioned other reasons in spoilers-2 but it's closed unfortunately

[ashen perch]

I think we are ending on Harald's death too, not exactly at that moment because we will get a quick aftermath but yeah

[opal gulch]

I mean oda could go with that story who knows but I personally don't buy it. But if they didnt know his name then its possible they might have found him but didnt know if it was rogers son

[trim lily]

bigger question is do we actually find out what the damn fruit is this flashback

[glacial bear]

Most probable case is because of her being a very good person

[trim lily]

i wouldnt put it past oda to continue hiding it

[opal gulch]

loki is a dude that got hated and banished from everyone he was not picky+

[glacial bear]

Also the way Big Mom treats Lola probably could remind Loki of the way he was treated by Estrid

[opal gulch]

she sniffed the desperation and declined him

[wraith mantle]

does loki hate humans?

[trim lily]

probably

[sage temple]

No?

[trim lily]

hes like his dad when he was younger

[sage temple]

He's never shown genuine hate for humans

He's kind as well

[grand flower]

He doesn’t respect them it seems

[sage temple]

His idol is a human

[trim lily]

he has a bit of a superiority complex over them

[sage temple]

He's on friendly terms with humans in the underworld

[opal gulch]

he hated everyone and why shouldn't he. The two pillars of light in his life, rocks and ida died so he had nothing to live for

[sage temple]

Over ones that are weak but this doesn't mean he hates them

[glacial bear]

Loki’s backstory made me cry no lie

[trim lily]

he considers most to be like that lol

[glacial bear]

It’s peak

[sage temple]

He's was just eating with humans

[sage temple]

Yeah but this doesn't mean he hates them

[glacial bear]

How old is Loki in human years?

[grand flower]

22

[glacial bear]

Ohh

[opal gulch]

i honestly feel really bad for loki, oda did a good job with his character

[grand flower]

21*

[sage temple]

Which was the original question

[formal wagon]

How old is loki in dog years

[trim lily]

if you think most fishmen are lower than humans does that mean you hate fishmen

[ruby moat]

🙄 he doesn’t hate them he just thinks they’re inherently inferior to him

[sage temple]

No, not really

[trim lily]

oh ok

[warm falcon]

guys let me ask something, someone can read a book of 800 pages in 1 day?

[trim lily]

carry on then

[sage temple]

And it just isn't about quantity

[trim lily]

i dont think so

maybe if you dedicated like 12 hours to it

[sage temple]

Loki hates everyone who's weak or cowardlike

[formal wagon]

if there is 1 word per page or they skip stuff yeah or if they read it all

[sage temple]

He says that about the people in the sun realm

[grand flower]

Sounds possible but you’ll probably have to sacrifice really retaining anything

[opal gulch]

there is deffinatly some similarites with the giants and the fishmen. We just don't know the story with the giants. I don't think its random that the giants look down on men

[grand flower]

Remember wotans

[warm falcon]

i guess it depends on the complexity of the subject

[sage temple]

And it doesn't help that a human caused the initial curse of Loki to take form

[trim lily]

what

[ashen perch]

Elders say the Nika fruit has evaded them after attempts every era, The Elbaph fruit has been passed down through each monarch for at least 2 centuries
this still is true if they have made countless attempts at trying to get Elbaf for themselves, failing each time, if they count all that is happening right now as one of those times the fruit has evaded them.
Nika fruit was in CP9 possession before Shanks got it. Nobody in the castle is CP9 and from what I recall CP9 hasn't been able to reach Elbaph at all recently since Muginn guards it.
this is 14 years ago lol, why wouldnt they be able to reach it for a reason that only existed in present day?
Loki is literally in front of the fruit and there's no reason for him to decide not to eat it after running this far to just do that
This is a moot point, we've yet to see how this plays out lol, any number of reasons could prevent Loki from eating it, like a HK stepping in
Harald says the fruit is key to beating him and Harald was killed by Loki, who is said to have eaten that fruit. Doesn't make sense for base Loki to be able to kill Harald at 16 without a fruit but I guess this is an upscale so not mad at it
I think Ragnir is gonna compensate for what Loki cannot get through his DF, and he has help from Shanks (who is trying to figure out how to help Harald) and Gaban. Its gonna be fine.

[warm falcon]

jumpscare

[grand flower]

Huh

[sage temple]

Big Mom killing everyone was attributed to Loki's curse

[trim lily]

i guess

[ashen perch]

its like 4 lines

[muted hedge]

Loki doesn't blame her tho

[grand flower]

Yeah there’s a chance someone else stole it while Loki was dealing with Ragnir attacking him

[ashen perch]

yeah 100%

[opal gulch]

I do yeah and im guessing there are gonna be so many more hybrids introduced before the end of the story, all of them shamed by the wg

[grand flower]

I wonder if kid is a human or a freakum

[muted hedge]

probably a robot

[opal gulch]

kid was just a dick with ego forget about him

[grand flower]

https://tenor.com/view/wwe-triple-h-head-nod-nodding-approved-gif-13272682

[muted hedge]

he was cool

[ashen perch]

for the DF, I like the destroyer Nika idea too honestly, I don't think its ridiculous

it could make sense

[grand flower]

Kid is def a Davy

[grand flower]

That’s what I’m leaning on

[shadow knoll]

at least give a tl;dr

[ashen perch]

you guys are like 12 man

[grand flower]

This fandom needs to read more

[ashen perch]

its 4 lines, most of it me quoting Socrates

the world needs to read more

[warm falcon]

i guess i read 200 in a day if the topic is middle-hard to hard difficulty

[formal wagon]

TLDR: horse radish mozart is like horseradsih but better at music and whatnot

[grand flower]

Lmao the other day my homie was like

“I’m bouta stop bringing up OP to niggas who didn’t go to college atp”

[warm falcon]

or 150

[dense rapids]

That’s what I’m thinking

Or the fruit did what the elders said “it has a will of its own” and walked away itself

[warm falcon]

reading and reviewng

[grand flower]

https://tenor.com/view/ight-imma-head-out-meme-leave-bye-exit-gif-16666403

[dense rapids]

Like that legendary ring from that one book

[ashen perch]

the concept of the DF sprouting tiny little legs and comically running away from the chest

I fuck with it tbh

[dense rapids]

The one about short people

[grand flower]

I really wanna see how this evasions works

[leaden rivet]

I’ll be so upset if kid never comes back

[grand flower]

Like is it just happenstance around the fruit

[opal gulch]

he took a big aura loss when he went against oda's favourite character. My agenda piece is that kid was created to be hyped up and destroyed by shanks

[glacial bear]

He will be back

[grand flower]

Can it wobble and roll away

[glacial bear]

Him & Law

[muted hedge]

boring

[leaden rivet]

It’s been the thing I’ve been looking forward to most for Elbaf

[shadow knoll]

only stuff made by Oda

[leaden rivet]

If Elbaf ends and kid doesn’t come back it just solidifies all my feelings about shanks as a character.

[opal gulch]

i mean sure, its his story we are just reading it, what do you think is so compelling about kid?

[ashen perch]

it probably is that, like Shanks interfering in a perfectly safe transportation of the DF is something they probably consider as an act of fate taking the fruit away from them again

[glacial bear]

Elbaph is gonna last for another year

Like maybe 1 & 1/2 years

[grand flower]

Oda is such a master of story structure

[muted hedge]

his whole vibe and attitude towards things is just badass

[leaden rivet]

Ok enough Arsal

[grand flower]

I wish we had more works by him

I’d love to read a grounded novel by Oda

[leaden rivet]

All they have left to do really is beat up Imu and clear some things up.

[ashen perch]

dont call em Arsal, my estimate is way higher

[glacial bear]

Arsal? Huh.

What is that supposed to mean by Arsal

[grand flower]

Yeah I think so too

[ashen perch]

I was seconds away from replying with to that message, because its not ending in 1 year

[leaden rivet]

Arsal has a penchant for exaggerating how long things take.

[frigid gulch]

What if Ragnir squashes the fruit

[glacial bear]

also I’m saying 1 year 6 months because of the Heaven Realm

[frigid gulch]

Or hits it out of the room

[sage temple]

this still is true if they have made countless attempts at trying to get Elbaf for themselves, failing each time, if they count all that is happening right now as one of those times the fruit has evaded them.
Can you show me an attempt to take the fruit of Elbaph before this?
this is 14 years ago lol, why wouldnt they be able to reach it for a reason that only existed in present day?
I guess but CP9 got the fruit over 13 years ago and if there are no CP9 agents here it's unlikely the fruit would literally just sit in Elbaph and ignored by Loki for some reason
This is a moot point, we've yet to see how this plays out lol, any number of reasons could prevent Loki from eating it, like a HK stepping in
So the HK step in and Loki kills Harald and the other HKs with Ragnir alone if the HKs can step in why don't they just take the fruit already? That makes no sense this is even more unlikely and it feels like every time something is proven unlikely you move the goalposts again for an even more unlikely outcome. And again, Loki is right in front of
I think Ragnir is gonna compensate for what Loki cannot get through his DF, and he has help from Shanks (who is trying to figure out how to help Harald) and Gaban. Its gonna be fine.
Shanks isn't a Yonko and both of them show no proficiency in killing HKs. Also, how come Shanks would help against Harald here but when it comes to the HKs stepping from your other reason, they just get through no problem?

[grand flower]

Elbaph longer than Wano

[ashen perch]

well longer than Dressrosa for sure imo

[glacial bear]

Oh I’m new here so idk much about server lore

[red lagoon]

Oh yall on that essay typa timing

[opal gulch]

Yeah but thats it, he has a bravado without any substance. I did like his connection with killer but i needed more to care about the character

[grand flower]

You don’t need to be shown something the Elders said has been happening in no uncertain terms

[sage temple]

Oh so now I don't need to be shown it

Ok

[grand flower]

No

[sage temple]

https://tenor.com/view/moving-goalposts-goalposts-changing-requirements-gif-25214446

[grand flower]

You do not neee to be shown something we are told happened lol

Not for what this discussion is

You said “can you show me” like arrsal not being able to do so would mean anything

[sage temple]

I need to be shown proof of it happening on Elbaph

[glacial bear]

It was fun seeing fat Loki & fat Luffy

[muted hedge]

i think he has a lot of substance, even though it's not just flashy feats.
for example him aiding in the Wano raid and rivalry with Luffy in Udon was one of my favorite moments in Wano

[sage temple]

Nothing says they tried to get the fruit from Elbaph before

[shadow knoll]

i think the fruit harald was talking abt is the gum gum fruit cuz he said it's elbaf's divine treasure

[grand flower]

Arsal didjt say that

[muted hedge]

i think the idea that Kid is Luffy without plot armor, is quite well fit

[sage temple]

Then how is that relevant to the fruit itself

[grand flower]

He said that IF that turned out to be the case, then you can lump that into them saying “the fruit has escaped us time and time again”

[leaden rivet]

It would fit if kid didn’t also have plot armor

[grand flower]

Yo Yall really gotta stop reading to respond bro

[sage temple]

Who said "if that turned out to be the case"

[leaden rivet]

If he didn’t have plot armor he’d have died long before he encountered shanks

[grand flower]

This is really bad in this community

[opal gulch]

Yeah but he did that to further his own ambition in becoming a pirate king. It was never about him caring about wano

[sage temple]

Yeah just go off on a monologue after lying

[grand flower]

Yall read just cause you’re waiting for your turn to talk again

[shadow knoll]

kid is like an auraless and annoying version of crocodile

[sage temple]

Thanks for responding so helpfully

[leaden rivet]

But people often say he’s kid without plot armor in defense of why people hate him and not Luffy

[muted hedge]

yeah, like a typical pirate

[hot cairn]

what's the topic?

[ashen perch]

The last 3 reasons are really not a big deal at all, they are not preventing it from happening. And for 1, again, this is in the hypothetical scenario. I think these things are adding up now for sure, it could end up also not happening lol

[leaden rivet]

Yoru vs Ragnir

[grand flower]

What I got to lie for

[leaden rivet]

Just kidding I have no clue

[grand flower]

It’s only you

[muted hedge]

i mean Luffy is a tier of his own when it comes to plot armor

[ashen perch]

like I said, which you also ignored, its a 50/50 split for me

[hot cairn]

I was about to ask "why are we talking about csm" LOL

[shadow knoll]

eyy don't argue abt a manga now...

[sage temple]

Again I'm not proving it's impossible I'm proving it's unlikely

[ashen perch]

Nika? Could happen
Not Nika? Could happen
Different NIka? Could also happen

[sage temple]

And it being unlikely isn't a 50/50

[sage temple]

It being possible isn't a 50/50

[grand flower]

That’s pretty much it

[opal gulch]

And thats fine, for me he was just a generic hothead with ambition so when he went up against shanks i was like " well.. oda didnt want you in the final war but he was set up to show off shanks"

[sage temple]

Oda could die tomorrow lol it's 50/50

Har har

[coral dagger]

Relax kid will comeback.

There are just defeats in One Piece.
No deaths (except the most painful ones)

Even when Bon Clay was shown left behind in the Impel Down, we all thought he his done for at this time.

But now, somehow he is the new ruler of new kamabakka Kingdom.

[grand flower]

Dawg did you think he was sitting down calculating the odds when he said that

“50/50” is a colloquialism for “it can go either way”

[shadow knoll]

id:guide make a poll about whether the fruit's gum gum fruit or not. that will solve everything

[leaden rivet]

Was referring to Mihawk’s big black sword

[muted hedge]

anyone who goes against Shanks would probably recieve the same level of beatdown, but yeah

[sage temple]

I don't think that, I think it being unlikely shows how it isn't really 50/50

[ashen perch]

I just mean these are all solid possibilities with each having strong arguments backing them 😭

[grand flower]

I want you to know you deserved a better convo

[sage temple]

No they aren't and they all have strong arguments proving them unliekly

[grand flower]

This was kinda ridiculous

[grand flower]

Bruh if they ALL have strong arguments proving them unlikely then theyre on equal footing

[opal gulch]

law was given so much backstory and screen time so i was sad about him getting beat by blackbeard... i still hold some hope for him making a comeback in the final war

[ashen perch]

I feel like shifting to the ELbaf length conversation because that was a crazy accusation Illya, I am not exaggerating at all

[grand flower]

😭😭😭

[sage temple]

You saying it's possible doesn't mean anything

[grand flower]

This what I mean by arguing just to argue

[muted hedge]

Kid and Law will probably both return to be honest

[dense rapids]

After Loki “eats” the fruit he starts going around calling himself the sun god

Maybe he lied about eating it and is only saying he is the sun god to push the lie about stealing the legendary fruit

[grand flower]

“It’s not 50/50, theyre just in the same boat”

[opal gulch]

honestly, i think so aswell

[coral dagger]

Yeah, he was how true pirates of the real world were, except the devil fruits.

He leveled up his bounty by killing innocents and looting their goods like a pirate is supposed to do.

[ashen perch]

btw, fun thing tomorrow, or today, depending on your timezone

[dense rapids]

Loki hasn’t called himself the sun god yet in this flashback

[sage temple]

Him saying it's 50/50 is a complete antithesis to how unlikely they are

[dense rapids]

Only after this battle

[ashen perch]

I think that Jump Festa statement is gonna make it clear how long this arc is gonna be

[opal gulch]

so its fitting that he went out like he did

[grand flower]

It’s just a casual way of saying “it could go either way”

[dense rapids]

When should we be expecting it to release

[frigid gulch]

He could start thinking he’ll be Nika after Rocks dies

[sage temple]

Har har it's possible luffy shakes his butt next chapter

[grand flower]

You’re taking it so literally so you can have something to argue about

[sage temple]

Looks like it's 50/50

[ashen perch]

like 13 hours? I havent checked the schedule

[sage temple]

My argument was that it was unlikely, not 50/50

[grand flower]

https://tenor.com/view/luffy-funny-one-piece-luffy-one-piece-goofy-gif-1754753788356120393

[dense rapids]

Socrates only started reading at Elbaph he has no knowledge of anything else unless it connects to Loki

[grand flower]

What is it?

[frigid gulch]

Honestly man

[sage temple]

That's literally what I initially said

[grand flower]

I wouldn’t be shocked

[grand flower]

Wrong reply

[coral dagger]

Yeah he somewhat deserves that

[frigid gulch]

What did you do before Loki was introduced ?

[leaden rivet]

Most of the times after the villain of an arc is defeated the arc has little more and then ends. If the flashback is ending next chapter or so, it won’t take that long for Imu to be removed from Elbaf for now, there is not much that they can realistically do for it to last 2+ years more

[opal gulch]

luffy is gonna take out imu with something stupid like in naruto

[grand flower]

What was it?

[muted hedge]

starting at Elbaph would be an experience

[ruby moat]

Elbaf heaven realm will be atleast another year of content

[frigid gulch]

Socrates champions for Loki so hard, I can’t imagine what he was doing prior to Elbaf

[opal gulch]

do you guys like elbaph over egghead so far?

[muted hedge]

it's hard to say given it's not over

[ashen perch]

okay I forgot its called Jump Festa 2026

was looking for 2025

[ruby moat]

As far as I know he didn’t exist before Loki

[muted hedge]

but so far, i think i like Elbaph a bit more

[leaden rivet]

Waiting to see which new character he’d make his personality

[sage temple]

Maybe read Elbaph

[frigid gulch]

This level of stanning shouldn’t be possible

[leaden rivet]

It was either going to be rocks or Loki but Loki was more prevalent first

[opal gulch]

i get that, but for me its easy... egghead had very few interesting characters... elbaph has had so many cool characters

[sage temple]

Read One Piece

Idk

[ashen perch]

okay yea, One Piece goes last on stage, so exactly 11 hours and 50 minutes from now

thats when the One Piece part of Jump Festa starts

[sage temple]

Haa thats so funny

[frigid gulch]

Loki was introduced pretty much right at the beginning of Elbaf

[muted hedge]

yeah that's true but Egghead also had major bombshells which was totally unexpected, like Emeth, Joyboy and Vegapunks message was very interesting when I read it all on a binge

[thick mango]

That's interesting bc for me it's the opposite. I love vp but don't find loki very interesting

[sage temple]

Mfs will do all this and won't bet on Loki getting the Nika fruit

[frigid gulch]

I’m saying what characters did you appreciate before him

[opal gulch]

dont care about the flare sorry but i do wonder if the anime style will change on elbaph

[ashen perch]

December 21 at 12:00 AM-12:50 AM PT

[dense rapids]

“Never existed”

[sage temple]

I've already said this

[frigid gulch]

If you’re riding so hard for a newly introduced character

[leaden rivet]

Not only is Loki not getting that shit, but he’s also going to get dommed by Imu

And you’re going to read it

[frigid gulch]

I ain’t ever seen it

But I’ll take your word for it

[grand flower]

You think itll be worth it?

[frozen aspen]

ppl who think kidd is dead are either delusional or real haters coping

[ruby moat]

Shiki? The movie character?

[frigid gulch]

Shiki is crazy

[thick mango]

I don't see any reason to expect loki to be immune to domi and I do expect him to recklessly charge into battle in a way that makes him likely get reversed

[dense rapids]

[frigid gulch]

But Enel is fairs ig

[ashen perch]

to answer this, I think Imu is not the main fight of the arc, he is more the BM to Domi Loki's Katakuri in WCI terms.

[urban lodge]

Even if homeland theory is true Loki is cooked

[opal gulch]

vp for me was a character that i had been curious about for over a decade. He was alright but not what i expected.. the rest were just robot characters... on elbaph i got to know more about the roger pirates, garp.. rocks and his crew, loki and harald

[grand flower]

Atp, with his father and idol both falling for it, it’s very likely he does too

[frigid gulch]

Domi Loki is going to happen

[ashen perch]

Oda's big statements can be unreliable in terms of timing but I am still always excited for them atleast, I think this one is really unpredictable too

[frozen aspen]

eh

[frigid gulch]

Luffy’s been talking about beating him up quite a bit but hed have no reason

[leaden rivet]

And who is

[frigid gulch]

Unless..

Evil Loki

[frozen aspen]

I can see imu trying and failing to domi loki as a twist

[ashen perch]

like I said, Domi Loki

[sage temple]

Lowk might just wait for manga serious to get active since mods don't punish ragebait anymore

[thick mango]

But I feel like if you include the rocks roger stuff you also gotta include the egghead cutaways which for me is some of the best stretch of chapters in the story

[opal gulch]

there is a theory that domi reversi doesnt work on devil fruit users

[frozen aspen]

wdym unlock did i get muted there lmao

[sage temple]

lmao lmao lmao

[ashen perch]

The WCI comparison is apt, Luffy will not be able to beat Imu just like he couldnt beat BM. So there will naturally be a fight that he can actually handle, and win. Thats Domi Loki like it was Katakuri in WCI.

[urban lodge]

Did Socrates collapse the category

[opal gulch]

well yes, i include both for an overall arc. My favorite part of egghead was kumas story

[frozen aspen]

no mods probably got sick of his loki yapping

[hot cairn]

remember arsal and more people think there's a huge chunk of the arc that will have BM as the main antagonist for some reason

[ashen perch]

I didnt say that

[sage temple]

Oh wait I did

[leaden rivet]

O I didn’t think that was a straight comparison

[sage temple]

Nvm

Thanks]

[leaden rivet]

And I actually agree with you

[urban lodge]

Lol you're welcome

[coral dagger]

Yeahh

Don't know about the whole crew but
Kidd and Killer are alive
Probably living in the underworld, killer is treating his injuries while fighting the beasts of the underworld.

[hot cairn]

wdym you didnt say that\

[sage temple]

I can see Loki not getting Domi'd at all

[leaden rivet]

Not that it’s going to last 2+ years more that is insane

[frigid gulch]

https://fixupx.com/MistaZod/status/2002217313907400717 hmmm..

MistaZod 👑👾| Mr. Zodiac | Cult of Nus Jr. ❄️ (@MistaZod)

#ONEPIECE

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FixupX · Dec 20, 2025, 3:19 AM

[leaden rivet]

But that Loki will end up being the final villain. Imu can’t be defeated here

[ashen perch]

I am no longer saying that, that was a year ago Jesus

[frozen aspen]

maybe, he might aswell though

[leaden rivet]

He can’t even really look bad here

[frigid gulch]

But I don’t think Luffy would do it

[sage temple]

Maybe, he might not aswell though

[frigid gulch]

Unless Demon Loki is a thing

[opal gulch]

and my most hated part was the vp yap part, it was important for the civilans and the ill informed but for us fans it was a nothingburger that lasted for months

[dense rapids]

Loki will be the first person Luffy frees from Reversi

[sage temple]

No he wont

[frigid gulch]

Or Loki obviously goes berserk

[hot cairn]

wait so what are you saying now?

[frigid gulch]

For whatever reason

[sage temple]

The arc could just go the entire island of Elbaph vs Loki and Luffy

[leaden rivet]

Imu will dom Loki and order an evacuation

[sage temple]

Just using could anywhere after saying something supported by absolutely nothing

[thick mango]

I also didn't love that. I agree that while it was big for the viewers and did appreciate some of those reactions I think oda kinda fumbled it in that he led readers to believe it would be big for them too and it wasn't

[muted hedge]

Loki being Domi Reversid would be the most natural way for him to fight Luffy

[sage temple]

Not a single thing supports Loki getting Domi'd

[grand flower]

That would be interesting

[sage temple]

Loki just doesn't have to fight Luffy

[pine ridge]

I hope luffy gets domi reversid

[thick mango]

Cards too close to the chest for the expectations that were set up

[frigid gulch]

Good god dawg

[sage temple]

Luffy getting Domi Reversi'd would be the most natural way for him to fight Loki

[thick mango]

I think luffy is immune to reversi like he was immune to enel. He's the avatar of freedom

[muted hedge]

Luffy wants to fight him

[grand flower]

This arc has been filled with big mom flags

[warm falcon]

domme reverse

[sage temple]

No he doesn't

[grand flower]

Not “for some reason” tbf

[muted hedge]

he does

[leaden rivet]

Let’s ask Socrates

[sonic herald]

[frigid gulch]

Parallels with Rocks are fine unless it’s about Domi Reversi

[opal gulch]

I still really liked egghead but i think elbaph is better so far, oda might fumble towards the end so jury is up

[hot cairn]

nah

[frigid gulch]

Funny

[glacial bear]

Loki should impale Sommers with his horns

[sage temple]

There are things that distinguish Loki from Rocks as well?

Just because Luffy is paralleled by Joyboy doesn't mean he'll lose the same way

[ruby moat]

Imu won’t be defeated she’ll be kicked out of gunko

[sage temple]

That argument is so flawed it irritates me

https://tenor.com/view/speed-ishowspeed-annoyed-speed-trying-not-to-laugh-speed-annoyed-gif-9796470131563160015

[glacial bear]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-manga-anime-loki-king-loki-gif-6070633567374632014

[ashen perch]

Imu just wins, for the moment
Domi Reversis Loki
Gets sent back when Brook frees Gunko
We shift to a final battle against the Giant Pirates and the remaining HKs, with Domi Loki as the main Luffy fight of the arc.
Thats the gist of it. Theres a lot going on in between here but I wont get into that, but just saying that I dont believe that BM is the secret 2nd antagonist of the arc at all now lol

[clear rose]

not saying this might not happen, I dont really mind as long as its cool, but doesn't Loki have the power to fight and kill Imu, if he had that kind of power I wonder if it would be even possible to domi him

[frigid gulch]

Does he have the power ?

We will find out soon

[warm falcon]

confirmed: Imu is whip domme
(pls dont ban me for potential reference to R18)

[muted hedge]

it's so funny how the double spread is cut down the middle

[clear rose]

I assume he does, unless the power is in the hammer or something

[glacial bear]

Yeah lmao

[leaden rivet]

You’ll be cited

[glacial bear]

vintage Loki page

[dense rapids]

Only two who will be immune to Reversi

[clear rose]

Loki having a fruit was stated at some point near the beginning of the arc right

[wraith mantle]

there are kids in this server...

[hot cairn]

thank God, the BM in Elbaph convos can end and yeah that could be how things go down in Elbaph. That conflict doesnt need 100-150 chapters btw.

[wraith mantle]

have some shame

[sage temple]

Blackbeard and Luffy but not Loki who has a legendary fruit

[hot cairn]

you've seen the light Arsal

i'm proud

[dense rapids]

Law has the ultimate devil fruit

He isn’t immune

[sage temple]

Loki has a legendary fruit and so does Luffy

How come Luffy's fruit works

[ashen perch]

actually does, because I skipped over a big chunk of this here, the escape to the Heaven Realm

[muted hedge]

just like Sadie

[sage temple]

Law has ultimate right

Double standards

As always

[ruby moat]

Loki rocks parallels only count when it upscales Loki

[dense rapids]

You’re the only one talking about legendary

[leaden rivet]

He’s given up on big mom?

[pine ridge]

truuuuuuu

[dense rapids]

Luffy is Nika
Blackbeard absorbs the devil power

[leaden rivet]

It’s a miracle

[ashen perch]

I actually dont think Luffy is immune either

[pine ridge]

same

[frigid gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/marshall-d-teach-vs-portgas-d-ace-the-blackbeard-akuma-no-mi-gif-3535729058713949969

[frozen aspen]

to what

[dense rapids]

🤣🤣🤣

[sage temple]

Luffy Joyboy parallels only count when it means Luffy wins

[leaden rivet]

Is everyone just running on the conclusion that theory that it needs to be in your homeland is correct?

[sage temple]

Same logic

[frozen aspen]

DR?

[pine ridge]

I think luffy will learn how to counter it but he's not naturally immune

[clear rose]

https://tenor.com/view/that's-not-ridiculous-to-say-that's-not-ridiculous-chilltownhoops-playerschoice-unc-gif-17749542178366202764

[ashen perch]

I was never fully on the boat lol, remember I hesitated to take the bet

[ashen perch]

yeah

[sage temple]

Yet you'll say Luffy wins against Imu eos

[frozen aspen]

eh

luffy is not on dawn

[wraith mantle]

so it looks like harald is not gonna be domi'd or possessed by imu

[glacial bear]

Yeah homeland + fear

[sage temple]

This just goes to show parallels doesn't mean 1 character will face the same burden

[muted hedge]

i defnitely think that Luffy is naturally immune since he is Nika

[wraith mantle]

just the full knight powers like sommers

[frigid gulch]

If it works based on emotions

[glacial bear]

fear or love

[muted hedge]

Luffy's fruit is the definition of freedom

[frozen aspen]

I think only the giants are affected rn

[frigid gulch]

Then I see Nika being immune to it

[hot cairn]

ah the first big defeat right? that would be cool

[frigid gulch]

Because laughter

Freedom etc

[frozen aspen]

I'll believe the homeland theory

[hot cairn]

about damn time

[ashen perch]

not at all

[dense rapids]

Rubber immune to electricity

Laughter immune to Reversi

[ashen perch]

yea basically

[hot cairn]

you were fully for the start of the arc dont say that now. But yeah, you were hesitant about the bet

[clear rose]

schizo conversation, are you saying she can still pop up

[ashen perch]

I didnt say she isnt gonna be in Elbaf lol

[sage temple]

Previous Domi victims are distinguished from Loki

They don't have fruits

[opal gulch]

One thing you have to think when it comes to imu, both on god valley and elbaph. We are seeing his avatar not his real body. So when all the goats hacked him on god valley they were essentially just hacking a mirror image. The key is haki as much as i hate that plotline. Luffy is gonna do some joyboy haki and that will send imu's influence over gunko back to mary geoise and thats how elbaph's arc is gonna end.. after that we are gonna get some exposition and then we move onto the next arc

[sage temple]

They don't have special eyes

[hot cairn]

where is BM in all of this

[frigid gulch]

https://x.com/JUSTLOTTO/status/2002040905226928580 kinda relevant..

luffyontop (@JUSTLOTTO)

A silly thought I had the other day...

X · Dec 19, 2025, 3:38 PM

[ashen perch]

again, I said this back then too, the main idea is for her to get involved against BB to save Pudding

[sage temple]

Previous Domi victims aren't even Ancient Giants

[thick mango]

I think that's what katakuri is for

[pine ridge]

but both rocks and loki have puffy coats

[grand flower]

Oh yeahhh

[ashen perch]

Katakuri is the Mr.1 to Big Mom's Crocodile, he isnt for that at all

[grand flower]

I forgot

Curses don’t stack

[dense rapids]

Loki will get controlled just like Oars in Thriller Bark

[glacial bear]

Katakuri saving Pudding. Loki saving Mosa Mosa. And Navy saving Garp?

[thick mango]

Not if big mom is dead. Which is why she should be dead

[trim lily]

in the one piece world you can only get one debuff at a time

[sage temple]

Luffy was controlled in Thriller Bark too?

[grand flower]

This is invalidated by Katakuri being a Luffy final fight

[ruby moat]

Nobody named Loki has been domi reversed therefore Loki cant be

[glacial bear]

Big Mom is looking up at us

[ashen perch]

haha

[clear rose]

yeah I agree, I think the roger pirates figured something out post god valley in terms of haki that can damage Imu, and also we have Gaban who has shown capable of hurting the knights

[wraith mantle]

is she eating cake rn?

[trim lily]

looking up from us in heaven 😇

[dense rapids]

No

[sage temple]

He literally was

[glacial bear]

Perhaps 🤔

[hot cairn]

this is true

[dense rapids]

Yea Socrates didn’t read the manga before Elbaph

[glacial bear]

Perospero dead?

[ruby moat]

Nightmare luffy is not luffy being controlled…

[dense rapids]

Luffy isn’t being controlled there…

[thick mango]

'Will you return to defeat big mom?"
Of course I will. Well, she'll be gone for like 2-3 weeks but then she's gonna return to rule over you

[dense rapids]

He’s not being controlled

His shadow was taken

His body works

[wraith mantle]

is loki immune from getting his shadow taken?

[hot cairn]

Socrates is saying that Luffy could get domi reversi but Loki cant? what

[dapper tree]

Haki dif

[trim lily]

those with cursed eyes famously have no shadow

[sage temple]

Loki should be immune from Domi since his fruit is the same level as Luffy's

[clear rose]

haki should protect him I think

[thick mango]

Everything is reverse engineered to loki glaze.

[dapper tree]

Socrates is saying loki is the best in the universe at everything he does

[hot cairn]

why are we supposed to think Luffy is immune tho?

[dense rapids]

🤣🤣🤣

[ruby moat]

https://tenor.com/view/armstrong-made-it-up-gif-25653819

[sage temple]

Jesus is saying that Loki could get Domi Reversi but Luffy can't? What?