also-manga

[unique lagoon]

he had his haki arc already

[warm falcon]

i dont remember but doesnt the sulong form have a limitation like costly in terms of energy?

[unique lagoon]

they die if they over use it iirc

requires training

[warm falcon]

but it makes sense since electricity was used by Enel in that cover..
electro = Minks 🌩️

[outer flax]

Yea but i don't think it will apply if they stay in the moon from where they get their power

True true

[unique lagoon]

if anel manage to talk to the robots
imagine all the knowledge these mfs know

[outer flax]

First world is more Interguing than second world

Hope we explore more

[unique lagoon]

enel big brain now
and he was already smart
a bit insane but still

[outer flax]

[slow obsidian]

sulong have it hard, vegeta carries pocket moon with him all the time

[warm falcon]

maybe all these technology has a dark side... like abusing of lifeforms for infinite source?

before the sun

[unique lagoon]

i think OP planet has a special energy around it

[ashen perch]

https://x.com/i/status/2002000949045305582

Pew (@pewpiece)

Eiichiro Oda comment this week :

"In order to communicate with the cast of the OnePiece Live-Action , I started using the “WhatsApp” application. Has the LINE application become the least used one now…!?"

X · Dec 19, 2025, 12:59 PM

[outer flax]

I think enel homeland had mythology regarding moon which is why enel wanted to visit it bad

[ashen perch]

TCB didn't have his comment so there it is lol

[unique lagoon]

enel was looking for the endless vart = earth ye?

[dense rapids]

“Within the earth there was fire. Mankind succumbed to greed and touched the forbidden sun”

[dense rapids]

Chapter broke the internet

[outer flax]

Endless verth = moon

No water only land

[dense rapids]

I think he got it confused for the moon

[unique lagoon]

nonoo verth means earth right? or land

[outer flax]

Land

[dense rapids]

And the Fairy Vearth is just Pangaea

[slow obsidian]

prob different moon

imagine sailing the earth with boat

[unique lagoon]

im willing to bet that endless verth was old planet

then mfs sank it

[slow obsidian]

with 1590 tech

[dense rapids]

Yea from first world

[unique lagoon]

so enel wont see it if he looks down its all water

so he instead decided its in space

[dense rapids]

Unless he waits till after Luffy finds the OP

[unique lagoon]

which technically is correct there is endless land there

[outer flax]

Enel cover story started when enel was looking at the moon while it's say "let's go to endless verth "

Don't remember the quote

[slow obsidian]

enel is right it in space, but thats it

[outer flax]

But yea

[unique lagoon]

my idea is endless verth is like
endless as the eyes can see

which can be the old planet

when the moon people first landed

[outer flax]

Imagine if we see luffy fight in space

[slow obsidian]

oh!

[outer flax]

That would be crazy

[slow obsidian]

in order to terraform the current planet they could first have base in moon

[unique lagoon]

also imu saying the world is incomplete

thats what he said ye?

[dense rapids]

Yea

Probably wants only the red line to remain

That way he can control everyone

[upbeat yarrow]

one piece x whatsapp collab when

[slow obsidian]

imu want to vanish with everyone (under his control) the world is ending and imu hates people dreaming

[marble inlet]

we need one piece x Fortnite

[upbeat yarrow]

when we gonna get whatsapp zoro

[slow obsidian]

prob because the verse 2 moon clan clash

[marble inlet]

cant believe they adding bleach in Fortnite before one piece

[upbeat yarrow]

oda's just waiting for the anime to catch up so he can add rocks into fortnite

[sage temple]

Loki whatsapp devil fruit

[upbeat yarrow]

sit around fellas im cooking

[marble inlet]

bro

[unique lagoon]

so who pays who to get in fortnite

Onepiece pays to get skins? or epic pays em

[glacial bear]

Imagine Imu in Fortnite LOL!

Would be fun emoting as a giant blob Lmao

[marble inlet]

1500 vbucks, no backbling

[muted hedge]

they'd be a battle pass skin to be honest

[glacial bear]

Imu doing the Gangnam Style

IMU hitting THE GRIDDY

[marble inlet]

Fortnite was leaked to add demon slayer months ago and they still havent added it

i want a one piece/anime battlepass but the players would hate it

[upbeat yarrow]

oh thats fucking incredible

[muted hedge]

i don't play Fortnite so it doesn't matter to me

[marble inlet]

imu doing the 67 emote

[glacial bear]

LMAO

[marble inlet]

will u play Fortnite if they release one piece skins

[muted hedge]

no

[glacial bear]

That’d be truly evil of Imu to do

[marble inlet]

rip

[native seal]

we are leaving 67 in the big 25

[marble inlet]

no we are not

[muted hedge]

they'd probably use the live action designs and as much as i enjoyed the live action, i don't like their designs more than the manga

[marble inlet]

gotta drag the meme

[glacial bear]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-something-funnier-than-24-spongebob-squarepants-gif-10206128669611009864

[marble inlet]

nah wtf that would be evil

but i doubt they would use live action

[muted hedge]

i think they would sadly

[marble inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/luffy-excited-screaming-one-piece-live-action-season-2-gif-12754854950213767115

[glacial bear]

Yeah hopefully not. We got Naruto & Bleach, only One Piece is left to complete the Big 3 in Fortnite

[marble inlet]

if they did they stupid

Fortnite got some crazy anime skins now

[muted hedge]

at most they would add like Nami, Zoro, Sanji and Luffy in both anime and live action styles

[glacial bear]

Chopper is definitely going to be a sidekick

Since Fortnite added that new feature thing

[marble inlet]

we got kaiju no 8, jjk, cowboy bepop, Naruto, bleach,

[muted hedge]

probably a backbling, lol

[marble inlet]

the cotton candy eating pet

imagine they make a buff chopper

[marble inlet]

as a skin

[muted hedge]

the only thing i might buy if it came out is Yoru as a pickaxe

[craggy vapor]

y’all, couple of OP games are on sale rn on steam. Haven’t played an OP game since unlimited adventure. Is Odyssey any good?

[glacial bear]

I think Gear 5 Luffy would be cool

[marble inlet]

oh ye forgot we have attack on titan skins

[muted hedge]

it's average i'd say

[marble inlet]

regular luffy and gear 5 luffy as edit style

[glacial bear]

I’m not sure. People have told me they enjoyed Pirate Warriors 4 tho and I see they’re gonna have DLC

[muted hedge]

it's not better than other JRPG in the same price range

[craggy vapor]

Pirate Warrior 4 is not on sale 🥲

[muted hedge]

pirate warriors 4 is extremely niche, if you like the warriors esque combat then you'll enjoy it

[marble inlet]

just pirate the one piece games and become a pirate

[glacial bear]

Imagine Gear 4 Tankman Luffy with an Ice Spice “Big Guy” emote from the SpongeBob movie lmaoo

[craggy vapor]

what about World Seeker. Just 5 bucks

[muted hedge]

it's one of the worst ones, but hey, it's the only open world One Piece games

[marble inlet]

which one piece games are even good

[outer flax]

Am I only one who disappointed in usopp after dressrosa? . Like where the fucking obervation haki training?

[marble inlet]

i wanna just fight people

[outer flax]

[muted hedge]

Pirate Warriors 4

3 is also good, but older

[outer flax]

Final saga and no observayion haki training

Oda fucked up

[glacial bear]

Hopefully Jump Festa tomorrow announces a new console game for OP & not just a mobile game 😭

[outer flax]

Fuck op games

[muted hedge]

i wouldn't have my hopes up, sadly

[outer flax]

Genuinely

[marble inlet]

im gonna become a pirate

[glacial bear]

What’s wrong?

[outer flax]

Unless they create a decent one

[slow obsidian]

in another multiverse, shanks never late, Ace get to be the main character

dunno how to feel about donut luffy but atleast in that universe OP is more serious

its not laughtale its.... something something

[outer flax]

I don't want it

[glacial bear]

Ohh

[outer flax]

Rather invest all the budget to anime instead

[craggy vapor]

@muted hedge damn your profile pic is suuuuperrrr pleasant to look at. Shamrock is beautiful

[marble inlet]

just pirate the one piece games

[rose rune]

The shitty turn based combat game was on sale a few days ago

[muted hedge]

yeah, Oda has been knocking it out of the park with these recent introduced character designs

[marble inlet]

pirate warrior 4 is turn based?

[muted hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/pirate-warriors-4-shanks-one-piece-pirate-warriors-haki-gif-16480729524860939409

it's this type of gameplay

you fight hoards of enemies

[craggy vapor]

is is there an OP game that retells the story Dragon Ball Kakarot-esque?

[muted hedge]

sadly not

the closest would be pirate warriors but even then they're way different

[craggy vapor]

damn it. Oh well

[glacial bear]

Mobile games take up way too much storage 😭

[marble inlet]

who are the coolest characters

[muted hedge]

most of the good One Piece games on the phone are region locked to china either way, lol

[marble inlet]

im in china rn i shouldve tried it

[craggy vapor]

@glacial bear your profile pic is good as well. But the banana confuses me

[glacial bear]

Ambition & Fighting Path look so good 😭

[marble inlet]

i dont like mobile games tho

[glacial bear]

Oh the banana I got from my discord check in

[muted hedge]

there's a lot of them, but a few i'd say are

Big Mom, Kaido, Shanks, Gear 5, Smoothie, Katakuri, Cracker, Kizaru, Akainu, Crocodile, Whitebeard, Roger, Rayleigh and plenty more.

you should watch a video showcasing some of them

[marble inlet]

gear 5 would be fun

imma play it when i can

[muted hedge]

yeah, gear 5 is a DLC tho

[muted hedge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkFC_Zm1YcA
here's a showcase of Gear 5

[marble inlet]

dw u can just pirate the game to get everything

[glacial bear]

https://youtu.be/D0PBBtV2Szk?si=K0G-U1AHnVRgt6R2

[marble inlet]

lemme watch real quick

[glacial bear]

Zephyr is one of the new DLC coming out next month

[muted hedge]

Zephyr, Enel and King look so good

[glacial bear]

https://youtu.be/kC8HBgkiMS4?si=ASbSFhv8eAF-1dCF

[glacial bear]

Facts! Enel looks like the most fun DLC character imo

[muted hedge]

definitely

if i were to rank them from how fun they probably are going to be, i'd say Enel is first then King and then last is Zephyr

[marble inlet]

does the game require skill?

[muted hedge]

not really

just a lot of grinding

[marble inlet]

for what

[muted hedge]

to improve your characters

[marble inlet]

ah i see

[craggy vapor]

Pirate Warriors 3: €4
Pirate Warriors 4: €40 😭

[marble inlet]

just stats?

[marble inlet]

become a pirate my friend

[muted hedge]

stats, more abilities.

[marble inlet]

ah shit the abilities are locked behind grinding

[muted hedge]

though some characters don't have a lot of abilities

[shadow vault]

I hope they made one Piece like dragon Ball z kakarot man

[tranquil blade]

Enel looks mildly cool the others are eh

[shadow vault]

OP Odysey is good but boring gameplay

[marble inlet]

can i play as zoro

[muted hedge]

yeah you can

[marble inlet]

the game sounds fun so far

[tranquil blade]

Did they ever rework Kaido

[shadow vault]

Jump force has cool zoro

[muted hedge]

they added him in his zoan hybrid

[marble inlet]

nice

i wanna play all my fav characters

and smack dumb npcs

[shadow vault]

Well jump force is a fighting game

[muted hedge]

isn't Jump Force dead

[shadow vault]

But look at zoro gameplay its cool

[shadow vault]

Yeah but you can still play it

Fighting against bot its fun

[marble inlet]

imma watch some more vids on pirate warrior 4

[craggy vapor]

We need a game called One Piece: Luffy Rocks

[muted hedge]

https://x.com/kiddointhealley/status/1998657613874290956/photo/1

kiddointhealley (@kiddointhealley)

I drew Shanks as Holy Knight. #Shanks #ONEPIECE #ONEPIECE1167

X · Dec 10, 2025, 7:34 AM

[craggy vapor]

I want to play as Rocks any haki clash fodder

[marble inlet]

rob lucci in the game looks tuff

defo gonna try rob lucci

[craggy vapor]

y’all did you ever think about who raised baby Shamrock?

[muted hedge]

probably someone who Garling appointed as a caretaker

[craggy vapor]

can’t imagine a scumbad celestial dragon raising a baby, let alone reproduce. How the hell did they reproduce for the last 800 years tho

[deep chasm]

I mean I would think garling raised him, he probably would have nannies or whatever is the equivalent though

but Im sure garling was a large part of his life

[muted hedge]

we saw Garling have a caretaker for his children back on God Valley

though we didn't see the caretaker

[deep chasm]

their mom?

[muted hedge]

would be funny if it was someone we knew, like Charlos dad

[muted hedge]

no, i mean after he executed their mother in cold blood

the one who calls Maffey

[proud pivot]

More likely garling's parents

If possible

[muted hedge]

it's probably some random grunt who Garling just had shoulder the responsibilities

[deep chasm]

I dont think thats a caretaker, shes just a holy knight who knows thats garlings kid

[muted hedge]

yeah Maffey is a God Knight, but i mean the one who was calling her to get them back

[runic dock]

I just realized they misunderstood her lol

Always gotta read viz

[deep chasm]

how do you determine thats a caretaker though, that can still just be some WG dude or even another holy knight

[muted hedge]

i thought it was a pretty safe assumption, but you're right it doesn't have to be

i doubt that it's another God Knight though given why would they need to contact Maffey for it, if they themselves are qualified to hunt down the kidnapper

and why would they bend a knee to Garling he wasn't anything special at this time if i remember correctly

[grand flower]

Sommers comes out of the abyss pentagram

Scars Gaban

[muted hedge]

when?

[grand flower]

In this flashback

Next chapter maybe

[muted hedge]

maybe

[grand flower]

He mentioned Haralds grave when he showed up to Elbaph iirc

[muted hedge]

that could just be since they were colleagues, lol

[deep chasm]

because they can. its not unusual for one person to tell another person of the same rank to go do something. it can be as simple as "hey Im gonna go try and catch the roger pirates, you get garlings' kid" or a plethora of other scenarios

[deep chasm]

he was already the commander of the holy knights

[muted hedge]

no he wasn't

[urban lodge]

He wasn't

[grand flower]

Nah I’m reading into the association with Haralds death

[muted hedge]

he was just a God Knight at the time

[urban lodge]

He was just a holy knight

[deep chasm]

well either way lol, they clearly act like hes the leader

[grand flower]

No they don’t

They talk back to him

[deep chasm]

hes probably the strongest and so theyre willing to do something for him

its not crazy for them to want to save his child

[muted hedge]

Sommers wanted to kill Shakuyaku just so Garling wouldn't get her

[deep chasm]

btw, this doesnt even help your point either. Even if this was a caretaker, it still has maffey "bending the knee"

so this rlly doesnt matter because it happens regardless of what you or I think

either way you have a holy knight going out of their way to save his child

[glacial bear]

Imagine Sommers got promoted to Elder status instead of Garling. There would be 2 Shepards as Elders lol

[muted hedge]

well i still think it's a reasonable assumption that the one who called Maffey was a caretaker

[deep chasm]

I dont think thats a reasonable assumption. You can say maybe it was, but to assume it would be odd if you ask me

nothing implies its a desginated caretaker, we just know they find it to be relevant to same garlings child

[frozen aspen]

https://x.com/i/status/2001670850995490928

Severen 🍉 (@BoneheadBuggy)

When I get on Pinterest and see people have traced my art I'm like "okay you got to learn somewhere I guess..." but the minute I see this crap... Running my art through AI for your fuck ass YouTube channel to make a thumbnail... Y'all really know how to break my heart.

X · Dec 18, 2025, 3:08 PM

Being a optuber should be punishable by death

and an AI bro twice as much

[muted hedge]

yes, which a caretaker would find highly relevant

[deep chasm]

which..doesnt actually mean its a caretaker

[muted hedge]

it doesn't rule it out either

[deep chasm]

it could mean it would be reasonable if it were a caretaker

I didnt say it rules it out

the point is youre saying its a good assumption but its not

you can think somethings possible without assuming its true

[muted hedge]

i've said it's a reasonable assumption

[deep chasm]

yes..and its not

[muted hedge]

you just said that it would be reasonable if it were a caretaker, lol

[proud pivot]

Or another God's Knight

[deep chasm]

youre mixing up two different uses of the word

I didnt say it would be a reasonable assumption

I said reasonable, as in it would make some sense if it were a caretaker

[unique lagoon]

by caretaker you mean guarding the babies?

[deep chasm]

that doesnt mean it makes sense to assume its a caretaker

[muted hedge]

someone taking care of the babies while Garling is off doing his thing, yeah

[deep chasm]

someone designated to take care of/raise the baby probably .

Which to that point, wouldnt even make much sense if there was another caretaker when up until this day their mom was taking care of them

[muted hedge]

their mother was killed

[unique lagoon]

that part is kinda iffy cuz they left the moom and 2 babies bleeding inside a random house

[deep chasm]

yes the mother was killed this same day

[muted hedge]

yeah, so it's reasonable that someone else would take care of them Garling could not

[deep chasm]

as in theres probably no designated other caretaker if up until 30 mintues ago they had one

[deep chasm]

gang

if the mother just died

that means shes been their caretaker

[unique lagoon]

so garling stab mom
went to the tournament
and told someone to take care of the babies
then dragon found em?

[deep chasm]

do you think garling designated a caretaker 5 minutes ago

[muted hedge]

i am talking about after her died

why would i talk about when she was alive

[deep chasm]

🤦‍♂️

thats not the problem

[marble inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/67-6-7-six-seven-sixty-seven-scp-gif-3295527985440468649

[deep chasm]

the problem is the picture you sent implying theres a caretaker

is the same day as the mother dying

so are you saying garling literally assigned a caretaker like 20 minutes ago to these children

[muted hedge]

yes, since Garling probably told someone to act as a caretaker while he was busy with the competition

[deep chasm]

🤦‍♂️ oh brother

[muted hedge]

i don't think that Garling would be able to take care of them, while slaying slaves

[unique lagoon]

the tournament was happening already
someone could have found the house and shot the twins

[deep chasm]

yes and he didnt take care of them

[marble inlet]

no idea what yall talking about

[proud pivot]

More like either could be his parents

[unique lagoon]

who or if garling sent someone to look after shanks and shamrock

[deep chasm]

look regardless, an assumption means you can pretty much guarantee its true

[muted hedge]

no?

[deep chasm]

you cannot assume the person talking to maffey is some caretaker assigned same day

[marble inlet]

idk shit about this

[deep chasm]

when it could literally be anyone

it can be another holy knight, it can be any wg representative, whatever

[muted hedge]

assumption to me means that something that i believe could be true, not that it is true

[unique lagoon]

wait let me read again i feel like there was a name drop there

[winged prism]

didn’t garling have a panel threatening to kill his kids after killing the mother? Or am I misremembering

[deep chasm]

No that would just be saying "I think this is possible" If youre assuming something, you must be saying it is true. You dont assume something and then say "yea maybe 20% chance of that"

[muted hedge]

no, he just killed their mother and then went by his way with the kids in hand

[proud pivot]

He left the kids in the trolley nothing more

[winged prism]

I see

[muted hedge]

if i say that i assume, it's something i think may be true not the defacto truth

[deep chasm]

it is to assume something is true, its not just to say "this might be true"

[proud pivot]

All he wanted was the hunt and cleaning Davy clan

[unique lagoon]

ok so the person on the other side of the line was clearly entrusted with the babies

[deep chasm]

if you wanted to say that, you can just say "I think he may have a caretaker"

[muted hedge]

why did you get stuck on that one line though

you understand what i meant

[deep chasm]

because its what you said?

[deep chasm]

I see you say its a reasonable assumption, so Im going to imagine you mean its an actual assumption

[proud pivot]

Way too much perfection in literacy

[frozen aspen]

Garling probably took the twins after stabbing their nother and dumped them with someone to watch over til after the tournament was over

[muted hedge]

exactly

[frozen aspen]

bot sure what there is to debate here lol

[marble inlet]

bot

[urban lodge]

Yeah that sounds very plausible

[muted hedge]

i guess the debate was surrounding that i said that i think it's a reasonable assumption, and not that i said i think it is

[frozen aspen]

I imagine once he went back to the holy land there was some sort of assigned nanny to raise Shamrock

[frozen aspen]

ye u

[marble inlet]

no u

[unique lagoon]

nah the mom was next to the babies when dragon found em ye?

[frozen aspen]

no

[proud pivot]

Nearly dying

[muted hedge]

the mother told Dragon to seek out her babies

[deep chasm]

sure

[unique lagoon]

oh wait hold up

[frozen aspen]

he stole the babies from whoever was tasked with watching them during the commotion

[prisma idol]

Are we still debating is she is still alive?

She is

I know it

[frozen aspen]

had garling ditched the babies with their dying mother, Maffey wouldn't have come for dragon

[unique lagoon]

no its about the person incharge of the babies after garling took em

[prisma idol]

Yeah they are dead

[unique lagoon]

prob cuz only 1 was returned

[muted hedge]

i wonder if we'll see Garlings reaction to that

https://tenor.com/view/wheres-the-other-one-ru-paul-robert-lee-aj-and-the-queen-finding-gif-16239957

[proud pivot]

If he has one

[digital spear]

Oh yeah I had hoped we saw it

[unique lagoon]

wait im reading this again
we dint see where dragon found the twins?

[digital spear]

The mother gave them

[muted hedge]

it was probably just a swift execution on the spot, before Garling assigned a new caretaker

[unique lagoon]

no the mother told him to take care of em
dragon ran around
then has the kids on his arms suddenly

[digital spear]

Do we even know who called Maffey?

Mysterious

[unique lagoon]

1160 chapter if you care

[muted hedge]

i think that it was a caretaker of some sort

or at least someone who took up the role as one

[digital spear]

It seemed like someone who was above Maffey in rank

among the CDs

[muted hedge]

we know that they were ordered by Garling at least

[unique lagoon]

im a bit confused now

[muted hedge]

so it's probably not that much of a difference in rank between them and Maffey

[unique lagoon]

so no twins here yet

[muted hedge]

given both Garling and Maffey were just God Knights at the time

[muted hedge]

Dragon ran off and found them, we don't know where

[unique lagoon]

then bam twins in hand

[proud pivot]

Garling was the captain of the GK

[muted hedge]

not on God Valley

[unique lagoon]

so yeah the one taking care of the babies prob got bamboozled then
distracted and stuff

[muted hedge]

maybe Dragon just knocked him out, took the babies and ran for it

[unique lagoon]

i wonder why oda dint show that

[muted hedge]

maybe in a Shamrock or Shanks flashback we could see

[unique lagoon]

surely its not a marine

[muted hedge]

along with their mothers face

[digital spear]

so did Garling kill that person because he only got 1 of the kids?

[muted hedge]

we don't know

[unique lagoon]

thats the assumption
Cuz its garling

[muted hedge]

yeah

[tranquil blade]

He only killed half of them because they only had 1 of the 2 kids

Of course

[unique lagoon]

well depends i guess what if its another low tier HK

[pine scaffold]

The strongest.

[digital spear]

actually reading it again it does seem like that was a caretaker

[urban lodge]

It was Shoujo Prince

[muted hedge]

maybe it was a devoted blade of god

[digital spear]

I didnt realize Dragon didnt have the kids firsz

[scenic dirge]

[muted hedge]

though then Gunko wouldn't have partaken in the competition either i guess

[unique lagoon]

def was
person asked maffy for help

my first thought back then was it was the lady with black hair

[digital spear]

did the mother even give Dragon any instructions where to find the kids tho

[muted hedge]

not really

[digital spear]

like she just hoped he would find them

[muted hedge]

she just said don't let him have them

[unique lagoon]

nah the convo was offscreened it seams

[muted hedge]

and then she probably died cause of blood loss

[unique lagoon]

this aint enough info

[tough igloo]

lol bro got embarrassed in front of his kids

[pine scaffold]

Twice in the same chapter

with tons of help

and another holy knight

[tough igloo]

lmao he lucky his kids can’t remember that

[marble inlet]

holy jesus

[unique lagoon]

he got it easy also
the first time his head was slashed open

[tough igloo]

or they’d never look at him
the same (well Shamrock st least )

[runic dock]

https://tenor.com/view/nobody-look-always-sunny-gif-20604244

[pine scaffold]

how strong is non holy knight Garling, cuz he got strength boost with the mark

[muted hedge]

impossible to tell really

[unique lagoon]

depends do we trust oda?

[runic dock]

No

[unique lagoon]

cuz oda said he was strong

[proud pivot]

Strong Enough to kill the mother of his children

[unique lagoon]

[marble inlet]

marine soldier level

[scenic dirge]

At least slave level

[pine scaffold]

The worst part is Oda didnt even bother showing Garling's power

[muted hedge]

even if it's fun to trash on Garling, anyone who stood up to Xebec at that moment who wasn't Roger, Whitebeard, Garp or Imu would've probably suffered a similair fate

[tough igloo]

exactly that’s been my question . since the contract reveals .. with the HK power up people were comparing them to Tobi Roppo so how weak were these mfs without the power up lol

[scenic dirge]

And innocent woman level

[marble inlet]

kuma level

[runic dock]

That’s a good thing

Fuck Garling

[scenic dirge]

He was definitely meant to look a bit pathetic in this flashback

[proud pivot]

Oda showed Garling level by getting his ass kicked by xebec

[pine scaffold]

the reason for his strength is the mark

We know the reason hes ''strong''

its the mark

[tranquil blade]

7 year old Kuma level

[marble inlet]

kuma dad level

[runic dock]

Garling ruined shanks genes

[proud pivot]

Just he may have a paid version.

Now as Gorsei he have it as premium subscription

[unique lagoon]

guy dint even do a haki clash with rocks

[pine scaffold]

is Garling ever gonna recover from these major L's? his first ever showing and he loses twice

[marble inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-kuma-kuma-one-piece-bartholomew-kuma-past-gif-1896615008865795370

[olive sigil]

He got the hoy knight brand

[runic dock]

Yeah it’s definitely not anything stemming from his own self

Cause he’s a loser

[muted hedge]

probably, given he is a gorosei now

[scenic dirge]

Here I’ll tell you what we know for certain. Garling 100% lies somewhere between 1000 defenseless starving slaves, and Rocks D Xebec

[sacred tide]

Hey can someone confirm a timeline of events for me? When Shanks met Luffy and Luffy ate the devil fruit, did Shanks already defeat Loki and chain him up before, or did Shanks beat Loki after Luffy ate the fruit?

[proud pivot]

Imu wasn't accepting to rent it

[tough igloo]

idk how he can , he would have to take out a top tier in present day and I dont see Oda sacrificing any top tiers for bum ass Garling lol

[marble inlet]

garling thinks he has aura

[tranquil blade]

Is Garling even Daz Bones level?

[pine scaffold]

Garling might be the next ''punching bag'' type villain

[runic dock]

That’s true!

[pine scaffold]

where they just get beaten up by everyone

and tossed around

[muted hedge]

i don't think so

[proud pivot]

Probably later like fluffy ate the fruit and then chained loki

[urban lodge]

Shanks beat him 6 years ago, so way after he ate the fruit

[scenic dirge]

I doubt it lol

[tough igloo]

Sommers without the contract power up may be CP9 level

[scenic dirge]

Not in the present

[unique lagoon]

im going to get a lot of usage for this

[scenic dirge]

Gorosei Garling is gonna be insane

[proud pivot]

Nah

[scenic dirge]

Otherwise what’s the point

[olive sigil]

Interesting how Imu treats his best men like cows. Gives them a brand, gives them milk to regenerate their bones, the holy land is basically an overhyped farm

[sacred tide]

Thanks

[sacred tide]

Thanks

[pine scaffold]

Might be the weakest gorosei

[marble inlet]

who tf is fluffy

[scenic dirge]

Lmao

[pine scaffold]

I think Warcury/Gandhi are the strongest

[digital spear]

Cow Piece is real

[muted hedge]

there's no reason to assume that Garling didn't get stronger after God Valley

[scenic dirge]

What about Saturn sb

[upbeat yarrow]

im certainly grateful oda has created a character i can hate more than orochi and spandam, he knew i was rusty on my hating run

[tranquil blade]

Anything gorosei Garling does is an Imu feat not a Garling feat lowkenuinely

[runic dock]

Lmaooo that’s going in the safe pocket back to speranza

[pine scaffold]

He was the OG strongest gorosei

[digital spear]

Topman is the strongest hes the Top Man

[pine scaffold]

but he passed away

[tough igloo]

more impressive than Garling

[pine scaffold]

Saturn is way more impressive than Garling

[tough igloo]

way more

[pine scaffold]

yep

[unique lagoon]

you get gorosei like nasujuro whos cutting an island
dealing with all pacifistas

[tranquil blade]

but is he the top

[marble inlet]

saturn is a very cool planet

[tranquil blade]

or is the name a lie

[digital spear]

Yes

[tranquil blade]

[unique lagoon]

i still have a feeling garling will ruin the 5 gorosei flow

[tough igloo]

Garling hasn’t even been the most impressive Holy knight let alone gorosei lol

[digital spear]

Saturn has a ring the other stupid planets dont

[prisma yacht]

Garling is a fun char

[proud pivot]

Then got vaporized by imu

[unique lagoon]

garling feels like he wont play well with the other 4

[muted hedge]

by Sommers dialogue, it was clear that Garling was above the rest of them in terms of strength

[tranquil blade]

Uranus has a ring too which foreshadows Saturn Uranus connection

[unique lagoon]

now he has control over york and motherflame

[marble inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/mercury-space-galaxy-gif-6885243750696499349

[digital spear]

Saturn prepared the Mother Flame...

[tough igloo]

yeah back then & none of them looked impressive back then during god valley so that’s not saying much at all

[pine scaffold]

They all hate him bruh

[scenic dirge]

Can’t wait for everyone to switch up their rankings of “strongest gorosei” once the final war comes and we actually see them fight properly lol. I’ll tell you exactly how it will go. Garling is probably gonna end up with the most screentime so he’ll probably look the most impressive. Then 2 and 3 will be whichever ones Zoro and Sanji fight. Then the others

[pine scaffold]

''Know your place'' is diabolical

[marble inlet]

ugly hair

[proud pivot]

Facts

[unique lagoon]

this is good cuz he needs a new drip

[digital spear]

Nusjuro HMM??

[tough igloo]

Gunko & Killingham in Elbaf have been more impressive than anything we saw from Garling as a HK

[pine scaffold]

Killingham is the most impressive HK

[unique lagoon]

actually nvm this aint half bad

[digital spear]

^^^

[unique lagoon]

drip wise

[pine scaffold]

he can create immortal armies which can overpower even the giants

dont forget about their size too

they make giants look tiny

[proud pivot]

Soon there will be more crescent 🌙

[tough igloo]

we had CDs betting on Gunko over Garling when she was just a God Blade & he was the leader of HKs

[digital spear]

I prefer this

[unique lagoon]

thats a cloak right?

[pine scaffold]

She didnt even get any buffs from being a god blade

thats crazy

[muted hedge]

i like the outfit he had in this flashback

[digital spear]

Yea

[unique lagoon]

red suit under a cloak similar to shamrock

but he has those medal thing

[tough igloo]

yeah that’s his best fit so far

it’s real nice

sucks that it had to come at a time where his slander was at its peak

[tough igloo]

so people were just like “ garling trying to have aura but we know he not that guy “

[upbeat yarrow]

garling might look hype but i just see a burned chicken thigh here, what is that suit lmao

[digital spear]

Rayling

[pine scaffold]

I think Gaban during this time, is stronger than Shanks

[olive sigil]

It’s been real all along

[pine scaffold]

not by a lot but like

[unique lagoon]

guy dint took care of the fur
now its all messed up there

[pine scaffold]

Shanks is younger here

[urban lodge]

Comically long sword

[pine scaffold]

Gaban is more experienced

[hot cairn]

Garling is a cool evil character

[pine scaffold]

and he isnt super old yet

[tough igloo]

yeah he’s a entertaining evil character for sure

[unique lagoon]

[digital spear]

Shanks already had huge battles against Mihawk here that Whitebeard remembered supposedly

Or it was all in the following year

[pine scaffold]

yes Shanks did have battles with Mihawk during this time

but he also got scarred by BB as well

[digital spear]

I thought he was wearing a white skirt first

[pine scaffold]

Shanks can still have battles with Mihawk but still be weaker than Gaban here lol

[tough igloo]

i’m not putting anything past Oda to glaze the hell out of Shanks in these next couple chapters

[tranquil blade]

Well BB is stronger than Mihawk so

[pine scaffold]

it just means Shanks got way stronger currently

[hot cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/yellow-emoji-no-no-emotiguy-no-no-no-gif-gif-9742000569423889376

[tough igloo]

him being involved in this incident changed a lot on how i see this going down

[unique lagoon]

i dont know what oda is glazing but story wise
shanks is late again

[pine scaffold]

This aint prime Shanks

[digital spear]

I still wonder why Whitebeard remembers the fight then so well

[pine scaffold]

cuz the fights were still crazy

[tough igloo]

lmao oh yeah story wise he’s once again not on time , but he gonna. glaze his strength in the next few chapters

[unique lagoon]

shanks might get slandered next chapter
cuz he wont have enough haki vs herald

[tranquil blade]

Unc is still with the times a little bit back then

[pine scaffold]

probably spread all around the world

[ashen perch]

I like how everyone immediately understands that this isn't Prime Shanks but that same grace was not extended to BM, Kaido and Garling smh

[tranquil blade]

Well I extended it to Kaido

[tough igloo]

read what you just said .. in a story written by Oda , he’s gonna make SHANKS not have enough HAKI 😂don’t even sound realistic

[ashen perch]

Ofc you did

[tranquil blade]

and I dont wanna extend it to Shanks tbh

[digital spear]

https://tenor.com/view/unc-still-got-it-gif-6384030002593541773

[unique lagoon]

sure but im going with loki killing herald here

[pine scaffold]

Do not bet against Shanks, I learnt my lesson years ago

Oda is gonna glaze him

[unique lagoon]

roided up loki ofc

[tranquil blade]

I will keep betting against him until I win

[tough igloo]

yeah i’m sure all 3 will be involved in the take down of harald .. i don’t see it just being Loki

[urban lodge]

Can't wait for Shanks to do 90% of the damage against Harald next chapter

[tranquil blade]

and then I will get really really annoying about it when I win

[ashen perch]

Gaban is stronger than Shanks here, I would bet against Shanks for once

[craggy vapor]

I bought Odyssey. I need my OP fix this christmas break

[unique lagoon]

not trusting DF + Ragnir combo?

[pine scaffold]

I said this earlier, I wouldnt say this is betting against him tho

[tough igloo]

it’s gonna. be just like god valley how it took roger & garp working together to take down Rocks , these 3 will do the same with Harald

[pine scaffold]

this is just the obvious, he aint in his prime here

[tranquil blade]

Shanks is like Act 3 Zoro level here it's not too big of a deal

[pine scaffold]

Gaban is more experienced

[muted hedge]

what can this legendary fruit even be at this point

[ashen perch]

He shouldn't be doing too much, he might contribute the least but let's see

[digital spear]

Loki will deal the final blow on Harald while Shanks and Gaban watch him from the sides and aurafarm

[muted hedge]

it has a high ceiling to reach with all this build up

[woven talon]

streaming in 15 mins if anyone has time to join this week 🙏

[pine scaffold]

Shanks and Gaban also seem to not really be aiming to kill Harald, they are trying to reason with him and figure things out

So they arent going all out rn

[unique lagoon]

assuming herald requires the same amount of haki to stop him
then we saying shanks gaban and loki will have that amount of haki
but we still not considering the DF power

[pine scaffold]

thats why they didnt use haki or anything

[tough igloo]

i’ve read one piece long enough to know to never bet against shanks when Oda is involved lol

[tranquil blade]

Honestly Xebec might not be shit tbh

[sage temple]

Loki seems like the only one with the capability to do so by next chapter

[tough igloo]

don’t matter if he’s in his prime or not .. the Oda glaze knows no bounds when it’s time for shanks glaze

[unique lagoon]

ill respect oda more if he shows some shanks weakness here

[ashen perch]

Shanks is like vs Kaido Round 2 Luffy level here

[digital spear]

You mean he was weak?

[wraith mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/mourinho-gif-20750597

[proud pivot]

Shanks can't clap

[craggy vapor]

Loki has the Regenegate fruit

[tough igloo]

yeah i agree wit that cause it’ would be something I wouldn’t expect

[unique lagoon]

i have a feeling also this is the moment why loki thinks shanks is a coward

[tranquil blade]

He's not weak persay but like massively overhyped in strength, he's like weaker than any of the Rocks pirates who became emperors

[pine scaffold]

Prime Shanks > Prime Loki > Gaban > Castle incident Shanks > Non df Loki

[sage temple]

Shanks doesn't know how to counter HK regen, Nobody disputes the fact that Loki killed Harald in the story, and the same goes for Gaban

[tough igloo]

yeah idk that yet .. I only saw gaban & shanks do one attack with no haki on it .. i gotta wait til the real fighting actually starts

[sage temple]

Loki is only 21, Shanks is over 30

Loki isn't really in his prime yet

[craggy vapor]

How is Shanks top tier but his dad a bum?

[pine scaffold]

by prime Loki I mean DF and Ragnir

[unique lagoon]

its also fair to assume loki wont have proper control of the DF

[sage temple]

Oh ok

[proud pivot]

Nah xebec ain't weaker than any yonko who was former rocks pirate except wb

[digital spear]

Do you think hes weaker than Roger or Garp

[sage temple]

Yeah but it's also fair to assume Harald would know Loki is the best fit to use it

[tranquil blade]

Well maybe not back then but Roger like 30 years ago yeah

By maybe a fair amount

[proud pivot]

Pure giant may be the key

[sage temple]

Especially since Harald, right before he was controlled, was in the near 100% right mindset

[tough igloo]

retired sengoku still believed Rocks was probably still Roger’s strongest rival .. which puts him over all the former rocks pirates

[sage temple]

I don't get why Loki wouldn't be the main player against Harald here ngl

[unique lagoon]

man do you think loki will have proper control of this legendary DF

he just ate it

[proud pivot]

True

Ragnir may do the heavy lifting unless loki know the legendary df

[unique lagoon]

actually hold up...
CP9 and sabo just ate a DF
and they manage to control it fine

[sage temple]

I think Loki will be well versed enough to kill Harald

[pine scaffold]

I think its fair to say Shanks and Gaban may not go all out here, since they dont seem to be trying to kill Harald

[tawny panther]

I really wish Shanks wasn’t here during this incident … perfect opportunity for Oda to glaze his golden boy against the strongest giant ever who can regen

[craggy vapor]

Now I get it. The reason Rocks said it’s best that someone like Harald eats the fruit is because the fruit comes with Ragnir, a large ass weapon only giants can wield properly.

[digital spear]

Loki kinda has to be the one to kill Harald

[sage temple]

Not really since Shanks is far from Yonko here

[urban lodge]

Shanks upscale never ends

[sage temple]

This is already indirect Shanks glaze since Shanks presumably beat Loki

[pine scaffold]

they are trying to reason with him

[unique lagoon]

what if shanks refuse to kill herald
loki called him a coward forever

[glacial bear]

No way my local news station called Luffy “Luh-fi” instead of Loofy

[sage temple]

^^ They have no idea how to go against him

Loki is the only one with the key against regen

[glacial bear]

SMH FAKE fans

[storm anvil]

It did say he beat him with the help of other giant warriors of elbaph iirc

[tawny panther]

lol one piece fans really trying to convince themselves it’s not gonna happen again with this incident 🤦🏾‍♂️😂

[proud pivot]

Talk no jutsu failed

[sage temple]

No it didn't

[unique lagoon]

im curious how long it would take for loki to get hold of ragnir

[pine scaffold]

If they tried against Harald, they would probably knock him down for a long time and his regen would be slowed down at least

but Loki is the only one to actually kill a regen user

[glacial bear]

Couple of minutes

[sage temple]

I'm curious how many clashes we'll see with Loki and Harald

[unique lagoon]

how much time will be wasted basically
cuz herald is rampaging

[sage temple]

Already at 1

[craggy vapor]

Ragnir is like the Z-Sword

[sage temple]

Maybe 2

[storm anvil]

My ass doesn't wanna find the chapter rn i will have to check it later ❤️‍🩹

[unique lagoon]

the longer loki takes = more time for gaban and shanks fighting him (herald)

also all the guards die in the castle

[sage temple]

Since Harald can defend with ACoC here it's not like they can just do that

[tranquil blade]

and yet u betrayed me and illya

[sage temple]

Harald is also stronger than before

[proud pivot]

And immortal

[pine scaffold]

tbh idk about that, Rocks was able to do it in Domi Reversi but it seems Harald is only relying on his regen

[tawny panther]

when has Harald done that ? I thought that was just a Rocks thing

[sage temple]

Physically stronger than he was when he went against Rocks

[unique lagoon]

herald prob stronger than demon rocks here

[sage temple]

Harald isn't "only" relying on his regen

[urban lodge]

I thought you were also slowly overcoming your hatred

[sage temple]

He clashed with Loki and literally released Haki

[tawny panther]

like shanks can use his conquerors to disable future sight , Rocks can use his conquers to negate attacks /damage

[proud pivot]

Yeah he is strong

[pine scaffold]

Harald isnt using haki to boost his defense, hes just letting himself get attacked and hes relying on regen

[glacial bear]

Will we ever see a Haki barrier again like Rocks

[sage temple]

Well Harald and Rocks are seen as equals

[unique lagoon]

well see if that improved then

[tawny panther]

huh you don’t have to have the same abilities as someone who’s relative in strength to you

[tranquil blade]

Not anymore, not anymore...

[sage temple]

What are you talking about? He's not just a sitting duck

[tawny panther]

WB & Roger didn’t fight the same but were still relative in strength

[pine scaffold]

Harald is using haki offensively, just not defensive

[unique lagoon]

cuz surely heralds power aint stopping here
he will get stronger the closer he is to defeat

[sage temple]

Why would he need to defend against 100 fodders

[pine scaffold]

this is what regen users do, they dont need to rely on haki with defense

[sage temple]

That's useless when he can just regenerate

Yet Harald released Haki

[hot cairn]

Shanks hate is ridicoulus

[pine scaffold]

Offensively, not defense

[tawny panther]

but so far the negating acoc attacks/damage with conquerors is just a rocks thing

like how shanks has his own unique ability we haven’t seen anyone else use

[tranquil blade]

I'm taking it to grave I think

[unique lagoon]

also no one attacked herald with haki yet

[tranquil blade]

It just has to be this way

[sage temple]

Not really, they just defend when it matters most

Warcury is an example of a regenerative defender

[pine scaffold]

We have never seen a regen user use haki to defend themselves

ever

[hot cairn]

why tho, this could sour your enjoyment of the endgame of the story

[pine scaffold]

no regen user has applied haki to themselves for defense

[hot cairn]

let it go

[urban lodge]

For me it was convenient timing because I found a new character to hate on for the exact same reasons at the same time that Shanks was starting to get interesting at long last

[sage temple]

So Warcury is just naturally rigid enough to tank an attack that made Kaido fall

?

[void coral]

I’m considering making a video going over my worries about Imu as a character. So far I don’t think the way them or their actions have been presented really resonates with me as a villain. I find many holes in his character even with the limited information and I feel like they’re a tool to move us onto Blackbeard vs luffy. I also find them as naive and stupid as Harald, if not worse. Imo his plans don’t make much sense either.

[tranquil blade]

Look when he loses once it will go away

[scenic dirge]

Can't wait for the Penny❤️Xebec arc

[tawny panther]

yeah that’s what his yokai is based on

[sage temple]

Interesting

[unique lagoon]

also this is a great sword throw

[tawny panther]

his yokai is known for its insane durability

[sage temple]

Wow

[tranquil blade]

He has to lose once tho

[sage temple]

That's cool

[pine scaffold]

yes thats just his natural durability, hes insane

[wraith mantle]

legendary sword

[pine scaffold]

thats why people glaze him so much lol

hes the tankiest in the verse

[unique lagoon]

oh yeah about that
do we know why its legendary?
is it just joruls sword?

[tranquil blade]

and if I see Shanks get jumped by all 10 titanic captains and Blackbeard and still barely lose it might still remain with me

[graceful belfry]

I glaze him because he looks the funniest

[sage temple]

Harald was able to = Rocks without using Haki to defend himself though right?

[graceful belfry]

We are not the same

[scenic dirge]

This panel is both really badass and really fucking funny

[tawny panther]

apparently another translation was “ famous sword “

[glacial bear]

Jorul has a legendary Viking Helmet

[sage temple]

Meek said legendary was a sub-par translation

[pine scaffold]

Harald didnt have regen at the time so idk

[tranquil blade]

Legendary helmet that lets you survive a sword in your head

[pine scaffold]

he may have used it since he didnt have regen

[tranquil blade]

Is Jarul like lobotomized after this

[unique lagoon]

oh wait nvm
Linlin destroyed joruls sword

[glacial bear]

He’s alright

[sage temple]

It doesn't matter, we don't see him use Haki to defend himself when he was going against Rocks and equalling him

[scenic dirge]

ummmm no???? his helmet literally protected him

[tawny panther]

wasn’t Harald the one trying to kill Rocks ? i don’t think Rocks was ever fighting Harald to kill him .. he was just disappointed

[sage temple]

He doesn't change at all

[hot cairn]

this is something I dont understand, does he have amnesia because of the sword? or does he never reveal the truth about what happened that day?

[sage temple]

After getting stabbed

[tranquil blade]

Ah, yes, the helmet protected him...

[unique lagoon]

yeah that sword is gone
so not heralds sword
also wrong design

[sage temple]

Jarul just fell down the sword didn't do much to damage memory

[glacial bear]

Jorul is a bum

[pine scaffold]

if anyone bypasses Harald's defense and slows down regen, that means he isnt using haki to defend himself

we just need to see what happens

[sage temple]

Well Loki is the one that killed him so

[glacial bear]

Arm stronger than a giants blade is crazy Linlin gas

[unique lagoon]

so just some famous sword
could be from former king i guess

[tawny panther]

yeah we already saw gaban & shanks no haki attacks able to connect , if that was on rocks his conquerors ability would’ve negated those attacks all together like he was doing roger & garp acoc attacks

[glacial bear]

King Ham Burger’s blade

[pine scaffold]

his fruit is a natural counter to the abyss, though I would assume it wouldnt be enough if harald ALSO had Haki applied to himself too

[tranquil blade]

Is he a genius or geriatric? He's gotta be one of those two I guess

[pine scaffold]

if Harald had a haki defense, Loki would need not just his fruit, but haki as well to bypass it

[sage temple]

Haki is used to get past Holy Knight regeneration regardless though

[tawny panther]

facts Garp & Roger had to combine their acoc attacks just to get past Rocks CoC defense

[sage temple]

According to Gaban, a witness

[hot cairn]

lol

[graceful belfry]

My bad I accidentally reacted to this, Sb. I butt reacted

[sage temple]

Loki is only 16 here dang him using ACoC is pretty crazy

[tawny panther]

Gaban couldn’t even put down Sommers for good though

[glacial bear]

Loki defo killed Harald with the legendary DF & Ragnir, a weapon no one can hold

[tawny panther]

he didn’t get past sommers regen

[cold steppe]

They can still regenerate. It just happens slowly if the conqueror is strong

[sage temple]

Thats because he isn't the one that killed a Holy Knight before

Loki is

[unique lagoon]

so is there deeper reason here why he wants ragnir also

[glacial bear]

Wommers upscale

[sage temple]

And he was in the room while it happened

[sage temple]

Probably because it's key to getting his goal done

[tawny panther]

Gaban is the one who said they aren’t immortal so watch how you use your conquerors haki .. he’s telling that to Luffy as if he knows and we saw him use acoc on sommers

[pine scaffold]

https://x.com/sandman_AP/status/2001375062029648366

sandman (@sandman_AP)

Yeah. Oda: Shanks was such a genius that Roger pirates were all surprised that Shanks learned Divine Departure by himself without instruction from Roger, and no one else in Roger's pirates could even mimic it.💪[Does this mean Shanks was able to use Advanced CoC at the age of 15?

X · Dec 17, 2025, 7:32 PM

[sage temple]

Making the giants an Imu-army

[hot cairn]

it's a package deal with the fruit

[tranquil blade]

Idk what the significance of the hammer is yet besides it being powerful

[glacial bear]

No one can hold it I think

[pine scaffold]

Shanks and Loki both used acoc haki at early age

[unique lagoon]

[sage temple]

What does this prove

[sage temple]

Yeah

[pine scaffold]

at roughly the same age too

[unique lagoon]

you got more on this?

we get it oda shanks is very strong

[sage temple]

Can't wait to see Loki use the fruit

[unique lagoon]

haki mans of haki mans

[tawny panther]

I hope Oda still touches on why the Holy Land is in flames

[tranquil blade]

Wait why is Evan a mod

When did this happen??

[tawny panther]

and doesn’t it just leave it for after the arc. is over lol

[hot cairn]

okok here's everything that indicates two things that the df isnt the nika fruit:

1. First things first, Rocks has no idea who Nika is when he talks to Loki. But he knows exactly that he needs two fruits and knows what they are because he said that only Harald could awaken it's true power (as a giant) with the one that is at Elbaph
2. Second whatever the fruit is, it's needed to control/command the Galleila giants who are frozen in Punk Hazard.
3. The fruit and Ragnir seem to be a package deal so Luffy would need to have it and Loki wouldnt be able to use it. According to him only he can weild Ragnir.

[sage temple]

He's the only one who can cause the scratches in the walls

[glacial bear]

After flashback most likely

[pine scaffold]

Shanks and Gaban stalling HK Harald is a crazy feat

Shanks aint even in his prime

😭

[glacial bear]

Because of Mariejois being in flames. I don’t see The God Knights sticking around much longer since Imu really needs them to hurry back home

[tranquil blade]

They cut him once btw

[pine scaffold]

Yeah but its obvious they are gonna hold him off for Loki to arrive

[hot cairn]

hasnt he always been a mod

[tranquil blade]

No he retired for like 2 years

[hot cairn]

he has switched back to being mod so many times I dont even notice anymore

[tranquil blade]

Next I'm gonna hear that Adam's an admin again

[scenic dirge]

This was my first retirement then unretirement huh 😭

think you may mean juba

[tawny panther]

yeah .. maybe it got something to do with whatever Teach & Lafitte is plotting

[glacial bear]

Laffite THE GOAT

[tranquil blade]

Yeah this has not happened before I would have remembered

[hot cairn]

oh lol

[unique lagoon]

so you going with the gomu fruit is in the box?
i thought it was said that the KING of elbaf will be enough to rally the galleila giants? but i do agree that that ragnir and those giants has a connection
the 3rd part dont make sense to me why luffy needs to have it

[graceful belfry]

Noice. I look forward to being moderated by you again

[scenic dirge]

Only if you're not a good boy

[unique lagoon]

cuz aint no way luffy will have a weapon

even if that sounds cool af

[digital spear]

Did Evan just become mod before my eyes

[hot cairn]

nah I have no idea what fruit is in there, I just think it's not the nika fruit.
It was said that but Rocks mentioned that he needs the elbaph fruit before the galleila giants so maybe that goes hand in hand.
luffy would need to have ragnir if the fruit is the nika fruit, since those two elements (the elbaph fruit and the hammer) seem to be a packaged deal. But that cant be true then because Loki said he was the only one who can lift ragnir (indicating that he ate the fruit)

[digital spear]

Evan didnt have the hammer before and the next second he has it

Bro might be Loki

[hot cairn]

bro tamed ragnir

[unique lagoon]

ngl that ragnir only letting the DF user hold it is a cool idea

[muted hedge]

wonder how Loki will prove himself worthy to Ragnir

[hot cairn]

it is yea

[unique lagoon]

so it does have a mind of its own
i guess thats obv now

waiting if its a DF causing it

[digital spear]

Maybe it does, it could be like a cursed blade

[unique lagoon]

dont think we have seen a curse weapon do this

have we?

[pine scaffold]

Jarul had a great showing this chapter

taking that one attack is impressive

he should have died from it

[muted hedge]

i kinda love how rutheless Haraldmu was

[unique lagoon]

and it was proven that curse swords are called that as an excuse cuz skill issue

[digital spear]

I actually really liked Jarul this chapter him saying Harald eating the fruit would be the end of the world was aura

[pine scaffold]

I think this raises Jarul stocks in current day

since hes confident in facing Imu's army

[pulsar path]

Shanks and Gabben like you alright? Yeah yeah my helmet protected me

[unique lagoon]

oda scaling is all over the place this sword looks thin af

[pine scaffold]

Jarul took numerous attacks from Harald this chapter btw

he was already bloody before the stab

[pulsar path]

Tbh it's crazy he's so big with out ancient giant blood

[sage temple]

This could've just been blood flying in the air from giants dying all over the place

[pine scaffold]

oh maybe

tho he did tank the head stab so I wouldnt put it past him being a bit durable

[sage temple]

All he does is pin Harald down with help from Loki and 1 shot immediately

[pine scaffold]

Jarul still being conscious is a feat

he should be dead or KO'd

[sage temple]

Okay

That's still not confirmation of multiple attacks

[unique lagoon]

im just noticing jarul is as big as herald

[olive sigil]

He has horns no?

[pulsar path]

Isn't that his helmet?

I mean I was thinking the same I guess it could be hai horns

[upbeat yarrow]

its a really good helmet

[unique lagoon]

theres 2 version of giants horns
orse nad lokis

[digital spear]

and me

[pulsar path]

Where is Loki horns in his og silhouette tho

Dude this has to be a different character lmapn

[unique lagoon]

wait im prob wrong

[digital spear]

that was Road dressing as prince of elbaf to marry Lola

[pulsar path]

I do love that idea actually !

[unique lagoon]

did oda put the horn shadown inbetween the bricks?

[pulsar path]

Maybe his horns are ghost or something lol

[digital spear]

wow we never caught Ragnir there huh

[unique lagoon]

we did

i was late to notice it tho

someone pointed it out

[tranquil blade]

I did but Dolf told me it was a block

[unique lagoon]

its a very cheeky placement from oda

[digital spear]

W Gaslighting W Dolfius W Speed

[prisma idol]

ancient giant horns are different from the usual horns

Ancient giant horns on regular giants seem to come out of the forehead

[tranquil blade]

It looks completely different too I knew that shit was not just some block, this isn't minecraft

[unique lagoon]

theres black and white horns it seams
tho i have not seen a white horn the shape of lokis

[prisma idol]

Otherwise people can just have horns in general

[urban lodge]

I wonder why Estrid didn't have horns

[vernal ravine]

it looks more like this guy

[pulsar path]

Dead ass

Tho Goldberg is the goat

[prisma idol]

Sexual dimorphism?

[olive sigil]

What a freaky shield

[tranquil blade]

It is a freaky shield

[urban lodge]

Johanna has them so idk

[unique lagoon]

wth the shield face was there all this time

[tranquil blade]

Oda forgot moment

[pulsar path]

I think Oda answered it in an sb

[prisma idol]

https://tenor.com/view/shaking-head-tongue-out-gif-4829872985915087399

[digital spear]

I feel like its the only thing that makes sense without Oda retconning a lot. The Lola thing definitely was newer than 14 years ago so it doesnt make much sense, except if Loki randomly decided to ally with Big Mom and pretend he was still an accepted prince of Elbaf, but shutting it down when he realized it was Chiffon and not Lola

[pulsar path]

He's father fought big mom and it was accidentally turned into a homie

[digital spear]

plus Loki also had to have a crew then

[unique lagoon]

no i mean when oda revealed the new giant pirates in the cover pages

[olive sigil]

That shield has his tongue out like rocks

Clearly made from rocks’s soul

[digital spear]

Yeah we theorized it was a homie since then and Oda confirmed it now

[olive sigil]

Goldberg upscale

[pulsar path]

I hope we get some damn answers how come lolla always had conspiracy about her

Tbh big mom should of been an arms homie manufacturer

[unique lagoon]

im prob having a dementia moment cuz i dont remember noticing that shield face

[upbeat yarrow]

https://tenor.com/view/zesty-cat-niklas-cat-tongue-gif-9842551414196208576

[distant vine]

Goldberg is goated

[digital spear]

For real

Goatberg

[hot cairn]

some people think he's actually dying but I doubt it really

[olive sigil]

Gol D Berg

[hot cairn]

Oda was just sneaky

he said the same line

it's Loki

[prisma idol]

How are we raising Jaruls stocks when all the mf did was stab a guy in the back then get a sword thrown into his head

[unique lagoon]

ey hammer giant also a shipwright

[hot cairn]

I said it multiple times! smh

[unique lagoon]

former ragnir user also a shipwright?

[craggy vapor]

I think 1155 will conclude egghead on the anime

[unique lagoon]

saturns death?

[tranquil blade]

Could be someone who was a member of the galleyra at one point

Since they all apparently wielded warhammers

[olive sigil]

Do you remember him from sabaody?

[tawny panther]

so it seems like laughtale doesn’t tell you everything , cause this chapter is post laughtale gaban and he doesn’t really know about Imu nor their abilities

[unique lagoon]

yep rays friend

fellow prisoner

[hot cairn]

perhaps it's connected to the galleila giants

[unique lagoon]

i was just checking if the hammer user was also a shipwright in the cover

[hot cairn]

like the one who wields ragnir commands the galleila warhammer company

[unique lagoon]

yeah i think its fair to assume the ragnir user was somekind of great builder

[olive sigil]

Yeah it’s nice to see him free

[unique lagoon]

maybe the legendary hammer users was also the same reason loki used one as main weapon

[hot cairn]

• the fruit

[pulsar path]

It's just very weird to me lmao

[unique lagoon]

very convenient for loki
he has some training now with how to use a hammer

[hot cairn]

the one giant who wields ragnir and eats the fruit can command them

[tranquil blade]

It's possible yeah, and it gives Loki something to do other than just ruling Elbaf with Hajrudin

Though it might leave Elbaf a little vulnerable for a bit while he's doing that, but so long as no one major invades it should be okay

[unique lagoon]

im still kinda disappointed there has been no talk amongs the giants about this fruit in the flashback
just now

[distant vine]

Shanks was really cool this chapter...

[muted hedge]

when isn't he

[unique lagoon]

maybe its fair to assume the giants fear the DF reason no one really likes talking about it

[hot cairn]

yep, I think his travels after Harald's death was maybe looking for the galleila giants

that could be interesting

[hot cairn]

oda doesnt want to spoil

[unique lagoon]

no im not asking for detailed info
just mention it exist and they know it exist

the fruit not being in the treasure room also i find sus

they dont like this DF man

its not something elbaf is proud of

[hot cairn]

well the giant warrior crew mentions it at the start of elbaph but we really havent seen why the giants think it could destroy the world

[hot cairn]

yeah that was interesting

[hot cairn]

the do call it "forbidden"

you might be unto something

[muted hedge]

i think it's forbidden since once it's eaten ragnarok will take place

[unique lagoon]

so elbaf was just protecting it
hiding it even

[muted hedge]

or at least the One Peice equivelant

[unique lagoon]

dont think it was ever planned to be eaten in the first place

[muted hedge]

maybe Shanks locked Loki up to prolong the inevitable

[hot cairn]

me too

[tranquil blade]

There was probably some prophecy where it was supposed to be eaten and they were just waiting for that to happen

[muted hedge]

similair to Fenrir being chained up

[tranquil blade]

Kinda like how Fishman Island takes care of the Noah in preparation for whoever fufills Joyboy's promise

[distant vine]

Is that a prophecy in story? About Ragnarok?

[hot cairn]

hiding it seemed likely cause none of the kings showed any desire to eat it until now

[unique lagoon]

OR these giants just forgot the real reason the DF was there in the first place

[distant vine]

Cause why would Harald advocate for it if something even worse than Imu taking control would happen?

[unique lagoon]

lost in history stuff

its like how neptune forgot some of history

[hot cairn]

not really but the giants do say that if Loki gets freed the world could end

[unique lagoon]

same with odens dad

[muted hedge]

since it's the only way that Elbaph will prosper without Imus influence

that's why Harald decided he needs to die, and fast

[tranquil blade]

Jarul also says if Harald eats the fruit it's the end of the world

[hot cairn]

that too

[tranquil blade]

So the fruit clearly has some destructive power to it, or at least allegedly does

but I think it was meant to be eaten eventually

[unique lagoon]

i wonder if imu knew before or after he took over heralds mind

[muted hedge]

safe to assume that it's at the very least something on the same level as Nika

[unique lagoon]

i still fee like all this shit boils down to making more pluton ships

[hot cairn]

they must have a prophecy about it seems it's always passed down in the royal line

[tawny panther]

Franky gonna have to eventually build a new Pluton

maybe the giants help him

cause the one in Wano is getting taken away

[unique lagoon]

if the Galleila giant made pluton and they are the origin of the blueprint
they got frozen because the one that frozen them wants them to remake pluton but ofc they dint so they where preserved until they find away for them to obey = getting elbaf king
this makes sense ye?

[hot cairn]

I also feel like maybe, to Harald, it wasnt meant to be eaten but this situation just gave them no other choice

[lofty fern]

not sure, what did they say the giants were doing before they got captured?

[unique lagoon]

let me find it

its in this image

[lofty fern]

I know Jarul said they were sailing around or something

[hot cairn]

they didnt say

[unique lagoon]

wait no wrong image

thats incomplete

[lofty fern]

There was also the "great enemy" which is probably Imu

[tranquil blade]

Well I think the fruit was meant to be eaten in some desparate situation for Elbaf, maybe some prophecy exists where Elbaf nearly falls but a user of that fruit and maybe also the Nika fruit saves it. Either way I feel like it'll have some deeper importance that makes it necessary for it to be eaten

[hot cairn]

agreed

[hot cairn]

I do hope Oda reveals the fruit next chapter and we dont have to wait for the present to see it in action

[unique lagoon]

hold up

[tawny panther]

he kinda has to show it here unless he says shanks & gaban took down harald while loki just watched (which i doubt )

[unique lagoon]

oars was found dead frozen up in the north pole right?

[tranquil blade]

Could you imagine Oda skips the part where Loki uses the fruit against Harald

I swear

[lofty fern]

So they were sailing around when they got captured. Also "hammer-weilding" giants? I think my theory that Ragnir is a weapon of the Gallaria giants is going to turn out to be correct

[unique lagoon]

yeah all the shipwrights seam to have hammers

my take on it is their kind made pluton