also-manga

[iron oriole]

Child of Destiny

[stone tulip]

The child of destiny is probably why Shanks is crying

[unique lagoon]

guy just wants to chill and be a pirate

roger ruined his future

asshole

[iron oriole]

With his clown bf

Who dumped him because of Roger

Shanks had shit to do because of what Roger said

[unique lagoon]

its all rogers fault true

[hot helm]

true

rocks would never do that to kaido

[iron oriole]

Its all Rogers fault

Everything up until current time

[unique lagoon]

if roger was in rocks position
he would have invaded the castle
took the DF and force fed it to herald

[hot helm]

when old men cut trees so no one can have shade, the world heals W speed

[iron oriole]

Shanks got marked, Rogers fault
Shanks stole the Nika, Rogers fault
Luffy ate the Nika, Rogers fault
Luffy took down a good ruler in Wano, Rogers fault

And everything in between

[unique lagoon]

ROGER started the great pirate era
eventually causing the queen of FMI to die

[woeful moth]

its all Joyboy's fault anyway

[unique lagoon]

[woeful moth]

the fckin dude lost and now everything is in shambles

[iron oriole]

Which means its all Lili's fault

[slow obsidian]

its nika fault, should never escape the planet

[unique lagoon]

roger knew shanks was a CD
so he gave him the worst job

[woeful moth]

nah Lili betrayed Imu and dissiminate the Poneglyphs... so its really Joyboy's fault

[iron oriole]

CD.... Child of Destiny....

[slow obsidian]

terraforming other planet is bad, and now people call it weapon

[iron oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/coincidence-i-think-not-coincidence-i-think-not-the-incredibles-gif-5096707

[unique lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/uma-musume-gold-ship-cooking-chrono-genesis-whisk-gif-8122078882341907196

[iron oriole]

He made that shit up fr

[iron oriole]

Nah Joyboy only fought Imu because they were stuck in a love triangle

Lili said "Imu told me you couldn't even beat a paper bag up"

[unique lagoon]

its confirmed that imu not part of ancient kindom ye?

cuz of the IMU name

[iron oriole]

So Joyboy had to prove himself to his girl you know?

[woeful moth]

Imu is part of the 20 kings... because of the Nerona name

[unique lagoon]

ye that part

[dense rapids]

Bro 100% being controlled

[woeful moth]

i have a feeling that Imu is going to be the 20 monarchs combined... and its Lili's fault they aren't complete because she's supposed to be the 20th

[dense rapids]

Raises Fishingham stocks

[unique lagoon]

that just means imu is the least racist CD

[lofty fern]

Nah, Killy is just that cool

[iron oriole]

Bro went from spawning a couple monsters to shitting them out after Imu shown up too

[dense rapids]

Bro might be a fish himself 🤣

[dense rapids]

Wasnt falling asleep anymore either 🤣

[lofty fern]

Having the boss who controls your life there can do that to a person lol

Poor Killingham, has to carry everyone

[unique lagoon]

literally a 1 man army btw

[woeful moth]

nah Killingham is doing that willingly

[iron oriole]

Gunko & Killingham were both carrying

Sommers was not doing shit

[slow obsidian]

Imu M stand for Majin since that how close imu are to copyright infringement lol
can you domi revesi majin vegeta since all it took only his shadow anyway?

[iron oriole]

Gunko at least outsped Gaban

[dense rapids]

It was Wommers plan

[unique lagoon]

thats prob one of the most fun chapters
when gunko owned the whole SH crew

[lofty fern]

Some have theorized that everyone was doing better simply because Imu is in range. Which could now be a thing. Sommers healed faster, Killy worked faster, etc.

[unique lagoon]

people be like
bro SH crew sucks! wtf!

[slow obsidian]

they healed faster because it was their shadow, real body are on the shadow

[lofty fern]

They kinda did let Gunko just walk all over them

[iron oriole]

I had to explain to someone the other day that Gunko is faster than Gaban

They just would not believe it

[slow obsidian]

imu just manipulate the shadow part and reverse true body/shadow for easier control, any change to shadow form also change real body to explain the brainwash

[dense rapids]

Gunko YC1 level at least

[unique lagoon]

da shadow DF

its not a silhouette all along
thats literally how imu looks like

[slow obsidian]

or mythical with shadow, or ink or many many more

[unique lagoon]

that be the best twist

[lofty fern]

That's pretty much all the HKs are at least there

[steel stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/lol-laugh-smile-tom-and-jerry-telugu-gif-16740069

[dense rapids]

Naw

[slow obsidian]

legendary octopus could be great tho lol

the kraken

[iron oriole]

Thats for BB

His 3rd & final fruit

[slow obsidian]

well i just think something with ink

[stone tulip]

@grand flower the concept of the “chosen one” sounds less like destiny type of shit and more like who is worthy of it, reminds me of stuff from Transformers (only 86 movie and tfone) and especially Kung fu panda that touched this topic you might want to check those movies out cause that might apply to what Gaban said this chapter.

[unique lagoon]

what if loki actually dies
BB takes the DF

[lofty fern]

Anyone that's beaten a HK is higher than YC level, so it basically stands

[unique lagoon]

not in this arc ofc

[slow obsidian]

you mean not this february

[unique lagoon]

not in 2026

[slow obsidian]

we still havent finish explanation and mariejois is on fire

[stone tulip]

So I am not only one who thinks about Blackbeard having kraken fruit, checks out with POTC movies where Davy jones is kraken

[iron oriole]

If BB doesn't get the Kraken fruit & Shanks survives him, then he's killing Shamrock & taking Cerberus

[unique lagoon]

finally

full circle

[dense rapids]

Only thing Blackbeard taking next is the devil’s power

[iron oriole]

Yeah i need it

Easily the best 3rd fruit for BB

[unique lagoon]

imagine BB stealing the Imu buff also without the contract

that be great

[slow obsidian]

sabo seems like having fun burning holy island, as expected of walking fire hazard

[dense rapids]

Blackbeard gonna get the abyss and turn into Ophra

“You get a mark, you get a mark”

[stone tulip]

And makes sense regarding to Davy Jones too and Oda definitely watched those movies now especially how he drew an art of Johnny depp

[unique lagoon]

speaking of sabo
sleeper agent of imu stilll lives

[frail cradle]

what is the point of having kraken fruit but unable to swim

[iron oriole]

Krakens are still powerful on land

[unique lagoon]

tentacles

[woeful moth]

NEVER TRUST A NOBLE

hahaha

[frail cradle]

questionable taste

[iron oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/kraken-luffy-surume-one-piece-waving-gif-20218943

[slow obsidian]

even now there is no water related fruit or mythical zoan for some reason

[unique lagoon]

now imagine BB with 8 hands
each hand doing black vortex

[slow obsidian]

ice sink

[iron oriole]

This but with Gura quakes

[steel stirrup]

Too much sauce

[woeful moth]

you want the kraken?

[lofty fern]

I have to wonder, when does Loki get his snail to talk to Mosa?

[unique lagoon]

so BB can null 8 DF powers at the same time

[slow obsidian]

poseidon fruit?, nope

water df nope

[dense rapids]

Blackbeard already has the water DF

[lofty fern]

So discount Imu

[woeful moth]

https://tenor.com/view/cthulhu-illithids-gif-25485727

[unique lagoon]

do we still think mosa is shiroshi?

[woeful moth]

imagine if its cthulu

[lofty fern]

Until further notice, yeah

[unique lagoon]

simple answer is neptune and his buddy herald gave it to them

[lofty fern]

I wonder if he gets the snail from the treasure room?

[unique lagoon]

oh youmean thats how herald and neptune talked to each other?

[iron oriole]

Part of why i want BB to get the Kraken DF is because i want him to be the cause of him "drowning" from overusing all of his powers during a sea battle (he shouldn't actually drown, let the Kraken keep him alive forever at the bottom of the ocean)

[unique lagoon]

funny enough there has been no sign of the snail
the whole loki flashback

[iron oriole]

BB then becomes a myth post EOS

[frail cradle]

or shanks gave it when he chained him

[unique lagoon]

so you can still say loki got the snail during his time as a pirate? which is what? 8 years out at sea?

[iron oriole]

Yeah 8

[dense rapids]

Yea

[lofty fern]

More like Neptune gave Harald a snail connected to Shirahoshi after they agreed to the betrothal. And Harald after sobering up and being super busy maybe tossed it into the treasure room and forgot about it

[iron oriole]

6 years locked up btw is crazy, unable to move

[lofty fern]

Why would shanks be connected to Shirahoshi?

[iron oriole]

I wonder how he goes to the toilet

[unique lagoon]

we will see then
cuz loki seams to be very busy atm

hold up

what if they gave loki all the treasure beofre leaving elbaf

the gaban talk about it being stolen was bullshit

[lofty fern]

I don't think they had time for all that

[frail cradle]

who said its shirahoshi

[unique lagoon]

they can when herald dies

[frail cradle]

its a speculation

[lofty fern]

That's a totally different treasure room

[unique lagoon]

cuz clearly something iffy happened after the king died

jarul gaban and shanks and loki had a convo surely

[native cloud]

[frail cradle]

gaban told robbers & bandit came there after

[lofty fern]

Who else is it that fits?

[frail cradle]

idk, ask oda. but cant narrow down to shirahoshi just yet

[lofty fern]

Remember they had to place the key for Loki's cuffs in that room and the treasure was still there at that time

[unique lagoon]

well my #1 contended for mosa is dead
thanks to bum ass oda
cant really help himself killing moms

[frail cradle]

ida dead a long time ago

[unique lagoon]

heh

ok buddy

easy to say now

[frail cradle]

wdym

we just saw the scene lmao

[unique lagoon]

it made lots of sense before ida confirmed death

[muted hedge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shHy3QlGRC4
they cooked

[dense rapids]

Usually you can go to the timeline to figure out what events a character might be connected to but during Loki 8 year journey I don’t see anything he could’ve participated in

[frail cradle]

true

[frail cradle]

this game needs map, not characters

[unique lagoon]

so im stuck betting on shiraoshi now

[muted hedge]

preferably both

[unique lagoon]

and dont tell me its misogard whatever that guy name is

[native cloud]

lol

[lofty fern]

There is literally no reason to have the Neptune scenes and putting in the "mosa joke" if it wasn't going to mean something

[unique lagoon]

true loki calling her hairy
roger and herald calling her hairy

[native cloud]

I’m struggling with this argument man

[unique lagoon]

loki thinks he lost the love of his life
wait till you see the girl on the other side of the line you bum

Poseidon power + DF that can destroy the world
great combo

[native cloud]

Shirahoshi couldn’t even keep up a good conversation with Luffy or any other SH without crying or being a baby. And then all of a sudden yall expect her to have those fruitful conversations with Loki?? Come on man

[unique lagoon]

sure but what are the choices

[native cloud]

I don’t know my friend

[unique lagoon]

we go back to some new character from heaven world

[native cloud]

I just think it’s a new character

[unique lagoon]

btw this is heaven world btw
no pun intended

[lofty fern]

Someone brought up that if the Ace novels are supposed to be canon, Shanks doesn't figure out Ace is Rogers son until the two meet. Which would track if they never got told Ace's name at this point in the story

[muted hedge]

Loki probably searched for Mosa on his sea-fare

and he mistook Lola for being Mosa

[unique lagoon]

cant he just ask the snail of her location

[lofty fern]

If he has a snail for Mosa, how can he confuse her?

[unique lagoon]

it boils down to when he got the snail

[dense rapids]

I think Loki got the snail after he was imprisoned

[slow obsidian]

bet the exposition chapter last until april, until luffy accidentaly eat gomu(fake)

[dense rapids]

Because he doesn’t know what mosa looks like

And the snail doesn’t show peoples face

[unique lagoon]

funny enough the snail IS hairy

[muted hedge]

it's a special model too

specifically for cold

[dense rapids]

Yea

[steel stirrup]

And now you get to be with her ass, you big dummy.

[unique lagoon]

btw did no one saw this

[muted hedge]

sounds like Marijoa there

[unique lagoon]

where was gerd

[shadow vault]

100% implying marry geoise

[dense rapids]

She heard

[shadow vault]

Kinda funny that even in the flashback Neptune called her daughter mosa mosa

[dense rapids]

She said something about it was nice he had a friend

[unique lagoon]

chapter number? i forgor

[dense rapids]

It’s that chapter

Like the next panel

[unique lagoon]

thi mf

1151

[unique lagoon]

so they just figured this out now

[muted hedge]

Luffy being dumbfounded that everyone loves the old guy is funny

[dense rapids]

Because he was clowning him like a hour earlier 🤣

[unique lagoon]

rayleigh really dint talk about his crew

[steel stirrup]

They probably decided to give bro some privacy

[muted hedge]

makes sense, it could bring more harm then good if more people knew about them

[slow obsidian]

luffy when nika said hes the chosen one "isleep"
luffy when nika said oh btw shanks and ace also "realshit"

[shadow vault]

But its kinda funny Rayleigh didnt talk about it to luffy lol

[cold steppe]

This is one piece. Where no one tells things to anyone

I mean look at robin and brook

[shadow vault]

Unless Rayleigh doesnt want to spoil for luffy

[dense rapids]

^

[muted hedge]

as soon as they start talking about Harald losing control, he loses control

[dense rapids]

You just have to dissect the random things they say throughout the story

[steel stirrup]

I hate to admit it but you may be right

[dense rapids]

Sanji “oh did I never tell you I was from the south blue”

Brook “I was a leader of knights for a kingdom”

The random stuff always comes back to be important

[rose rune]

"When I get home I wanna open a bakery and get married"

[slow obsidian]

zoro has CoC
luffy "huh u guys dont know that?"

[dense rapids]

[steel stirrup]

immediately dies

[muted hedge]

Zoro didn't even know to be fair

[slow obsidian]

someone in the story had to ask if nami CoC juuuust to be sure to luffy

[rose rune]

https://tenor.com/view/gmod-ragdoll-video-game-video-game-gif-20573521

[slow obsidian]

otherwise being mad enough you could punch rubber and bypass conqueror haki is a feat

[muted hedge]

https://x.com/EmmeArt0/status/1960358592936030596/photo/1

0Emme0 (@EmmeArt0)

?|10

#ONEPIECE #shanks #drawing #art

X · Aug 26, 2025, 3:08 PM

[rose rune]

Shanks has the vacuum baki pants

[unique lagoon]

what shanks laughing about

[slow obsidian]

nobody tell shamrock his brother is rebelling, he still believe he just playing around

[rose rune]

He's actually laughing in pain because of the intense vacuum from the pants

[stone tulip]

Considering what Gaban said in this chapter makes sense why Rayleigh didn’t tell him any of this

[muted hedge]

https://x.com/jingynz694712/status/1988881871380365741/photo/1

糯香萤茶 (@jingynz694712)

#shamrock #ONEPIECE
臭克斯好爽的一张脸

X · Nov 13, 2025, 8:09 AM

[past glade]

do you think akainu or kong have contracts with imu

[muted hedge]

no

[stone tulip]

Jinxed

[past glade]

I wonder how many people outside of the holy land have met imu

[stone tulip]

Although ngl the slander about how Shanks is being late is definitely far more funnier than the rat Shanks memes, at least it’s in character lmao.

[stone tulip]

As in personally or when he is possesing someone ?

[slow obsidian]

shank "oh crap i gotta save ace"
ace -dies

[past glade]

personally, to have been potentially given a contract

[stone tulip]

That was Kaido’s fault though lol

[past glade]

actually didn't harald get the first level contract before meeting imu

[stone tulip]

I mean this only happens when you become a holy knight

[past glade]

not the holy knight one, the one shanks had

[slow obsidian]

im implying everything shanks want to do the ordeal is huge or its already fault

[stone tulip]

He got it and then he got the second level when he met Imu

[past glade]

right, so people might have the first level one without even knowing about imu

[muted hedge]

there's only 13 people who knows about Imu

[stone tulip]

Well Shanks definitely knows about Imu, just never met him personally

[slow obsidian]

shank " i gotta deliver this fruit to ace and make him the chosen one"
Luffy -accidentaly eat the fruit

[past glade]

yeah but who else out there might have one

[muted hedge]

i don't think he knows about Imu, he just knows about the great one

i don't think that Shanks has actually met Imu or seen them

[stone tulip]

All of them are holy knights I assume or half of those are Gorosei too

[muted hedge]

probably yeah

[slow obsidian]

everyone that mu consider enemies are dead

[frail cradle]

harald only saw imu once he gets the deep deep sea contract like HKs & gorosei

[slow obsidian]

ebased

[stone tulip]

That was my point cause he knows Imu exists but he never met him at all

[muted hedge]

yeah, he just knows that there's someone being called the great one

[frail cradle]

so yeah, shanks only had an idea at best, but never met imu

[stone tulip]

Yeah and the great one is obviously Imu

[muted hedge]

yeah

[frail cradle]

only rocks, harald, and the HKs

great one is vague, a concept

[muted hedge]

it's the same as when people called Enel god

[frail cradle]

different when you meet a person who sits on throne

[stone tulip]

Don’t forget Sabo and Cobra too, Wapol also witnessed Imu direct too.

[frail cradle]

oh yeah

[slow obsidian]

prob not called the great one since if they read it at laughtale, joyboy would tell the crap out of it like there this angry granpa

[frail cradle]

my goat wapol

[stone tulip]

Somehow by accident lmao

[stone tulip]

Fucked around and found out, but hey at least he gave Vivi the chance to escape lmao

And soon Vivi and Morgans will find out about Imu assuming Wapol didn’t tell them yet.

[frail cradle]

have you ever seen a king who got thrown from his own kingdom only to become another king

thats my goat king wapol

[stone tulip]

And now he abandoned his kingdom again lmao

As usual

[slow obsidian]

oh even funnier, some in sbs once told oh crap im turning into wapol help
and oda answer by "it gets better"

[muted hedge]

Wapol has to be inspired from Wario

[stone tulip]

What sbs is that ?

[slow obsidian]

vol 73? idk forgor

[stone tulip]

When did Wario debuted tho ?

[stone tulip]

I will check I guess

[muted hedge]

1992

[stone tulip]

Oh then it’s possible I guess

[rustic coral]

GODA IS BACK

[stone tulip]

But yeah outside of those I mentioned Dragon and Iva now are aware of Imu’s existence too

[dense rapids]

When you look at the literal translations for things in OP stuff make much more sense

Like how seastone is actually translated as Sea Watchtower Stone

[stone tulip]

Sandman and Dawn Stussy are reliable when it comes to that

[dense rapids]

A sea watchtower is just a lighthouse right?

[stone tulip]

Wait source?

[stone tulip]

Interesting, first time hearing about that

[slow obsidian]

oh no im remembering sbs 73 because that where oda put robin least favorite is chewing gum because she cant swallow it, implying she is the type to swallow whilst the full convo of sbs is full of ecchi things

[dense rapids]

First appearance is the chapter where we’re introduced to a lighthouse

Or is that a few chapters later

The guiding light to reverse mountain

Yea literally a few panels later

So where’s the Sea Watchtower that the stone comes from

[slow obsidian]

could also means by sea is literaly wathcing you

or guiding idek why guiding stone want you to drown

[rustic coral]

Bro needed the sea king 😭

[vital heart]

Not necessarily a watchtower.

[past glade]

brothel stone

[slow obsidian]

18+ stone

[dense rapids]

Sea Tower
Sea Lookout

Same thing

[slow obsidian]

devil is underage

[unique lagoon]

you guys think this flashback will show loki 8 years of being pirate
maybe some shanks also

[shadow vault]

I hope so

[unique lagoon]

i have a feeling it will extend to shanks finding the gomu and getting arm removed

[shadow vault]

Maybe we gonna get back to real timeline soon afyer after Loki df reveal and him beating harald

[dense rapids]

Wait

Is this the lighthouse

The tallest building in old Wano

[unique lagoon]

why we looking at a lighthouse again

[dense rapids]

No reason

[shadow vault]

Why people didnt talk about where punk recordwill go?

I'm curious if kuma, lilith and bonney will keep following straw hat

Because they all hunted

[slow obsidian]

brother if you seek the kanji an katakana use this one instead

[shadow vault]

And elbaph is not safe anymore

[slow obsidian]

w.atwiki.jp/aniwotawiki/pages/43274.html

put https yourself

[formal wagon]

how much awesome sauce does it take to make an epic bacon

[unique lagoon]

dint the VPs contacted wetheria?

[shadow vault]

Yeah they did

[unique lagoon]

so thats your destination

[shadow vault]

Which mean lilith is not gonna go to punk record?

[trim lily]

i assume shes going with kuma and bonney

[unique lagoon]

hard to say
cuz iirc they implied they will be up in the air for a long ass time

[shadow vault]

Also lilith is rebuilding kuma and vegapunk stella

[shadow vault]

I mean how they gonna go to punk record when they all hunted by WG and navy

[slow obsidian]

wano is the only clan after erasure that still handle seastone

[trim lily]

idk at this point the punks can just do whatever

i wouldnt be surprised if she pulled out a rocket in a few chaps

[slow obsidian]

buut prob pluton related

eh

whats in wano

[unique lagoon]

oh this aint the labophase
its just punk records

[shadow vault]

I have a guess that bonney will follow straw hat but idk maybe kuma too or maybe they will stay in elbaph but elbaph literally got invaded by HK

Hell even Loki aint safe

[shadow vault]

Oh yeah punk record

[unique lagoon]

this is such a nothing statement
yeah man EOS stuff whatever

[shadow vault]

Ahhh I see then them going to elbaph with punk record could be possible

[unique lagoon]

lilith already planning on building a lab there anyway

and she has a 100% VP clone with her

[shadow vault]

Yeah but it was invaded by HK

[unique lagoon]

then lets hope Elbaf stays intact end of arc

elbaf might be fine cuz of what gaban said

now that i think about it
what will imu do assuming luffy and friends stop the plan

[worthy bison]

when does this happen

[unique lagoon]

chap 1125

[worthy bison]

but they dead right

[formal wagon]

what if it was called hellbaf and instead of giants it had giant demons with horns that had to obey the evil devil because of their contract to him

[unique lagoon]

whos dead?

[vital heart]

Show me the full page.

[worthy bison]

vegapunk

[unique lagoon]

oh they are robots they prob dont worry about aging

the brain will live on

[unique lagoon]

you know we talked about this ancient connection between IMU and elbaf/giants

did imu use giants to defeat ancient kingdom? was it the other way around?
or is it so ancient it goes back to the first world history

assuming imu is that old

[dense rapids]

Wait is it a lighthouse?

I see a ball in the middle

[slow obsidian]

500 years to rotate the planet would means OP planet is 3000 bigger than earth if we assume they fly at sail speed huh

nice drowning there imu

[unique lagoon]

rotate the planet? where u got that?

[slow obsidian]

they literaly said globe

[slow obsidian]

which prob means circumcise the earth right?

[unique lagoon]

you must be confused
shaka is saying it will take 500 years until people/humanity can manage the giant brain

the globe thing is just them saying they are free to roam around

[slow obsidian]

unless theyre talking the globe as in the punk record, im not reading that chapter

ye

thats why im like, this is new info

[unique lagoon]

why u skipping chapters buddy

😔

[slow obsidian]

i have read it

forggotting is natural

[storm basalt]

this gonna be a long as flashback then

[slow obsidian]

not all humans have mnematic memory

[unique lagoon]

thats why i gave you the chapter number in the first place but whatever

[dense rapids]

There’s something inside it right?

[storm basalt]

like at least 2 more chapters if thats included, bcuz 1 chapter him fighting harald and the devil fruit and then the other chapter coveirng him out of elbaph b4 being chained up

[unique lagoon]

depends if oda does a kuma flashback where its a montage

[unique lagoon]

theres a cylinder, a beam?
could be a bell hell it could be the light thingy

[dense rapids]

I can’t tell

It’s definitely something circular

[unique lagoon]

its right there bud

its clearly shaded differenty

[dense rapids]

Ohhhh it’s bell u might be right

[unique lagoon]

bell makes sense
warning system

[dense rapids]

Sea Watchtower

[unique lagoon]

i swear wano had a bell tower but usopp shot em

[formal wagon]

I think giant's working with joyboy is more likely than not. Its pretty much depicted in the mural, and elbaf isn't world gov aligned in the present. They'd have likely been part of the nations to become CDs if they were on the winning side

[unique lagoon]

another idea is joyboy freed the demon mode giants reason they love nika so much

or its not even joyboy its the first nika

1st world history

[formal wagon]

im excited to find out more about the first world

[slow obsidian]

giant is prob the race of 1st world, if you compare impel down to human height, they evolve to be smaller

after the drowning

[unique lagoon]

we atleast got this
basis for how far in the past it is

[formal wagon]

its very strangely depicted in terms of romanticism vs classicism. The word choice in that part of the mural poem uses really neutral words iirc

[unique lagoon]

if we take that literally
compare it to joyboys time which was only 800-1000 years ago

then again we dont know how long ancient kingdom ruled the world

[slow obsidian]

nika and the moon clan find planet over the sky, and terraform one with their so called ancieant weapon, it just terraforming device

[native cloud]

If it extends to that then that’ll be fine anything else will just be Oda showing off lol

[unique lagoon]

there could be a lot of reveal with loki being a pirate

he will basically do what herald did but as a pirate

[native cloud]

I don’t know man

Loki is still kinda of kid

[unique lagoon]

you could see which characters he interacted with

[native cloud]

He knows no better

[unique lagoon]

if the WG planned on capturing him

how he met lola or if he encountered other rocks pirates

8 years a alot of time

[native cloud]

Oh yeah. If Oda goes that way it could be interesting

[unique lagoon]

maybe it will finally reveal if he was the upcoming 4th yonko

[native cloud]

???

[unique lagoon]

cuz shanks captured him the same year shanks turned yonko

6 years ago

gaban saying no one was able to stop him

still think thats hyping him up too much but eh

[native cloud]

It must’ve been a bloodbath between em

[unique lagoon]

i still like the idea that loki killed some of the former rocks pirates

[native cloud]

What would be the motive behind that decision??

[unique lagoon]

abandoning his idol

[native cloud]

But he doesn’t know that

[slow obsidian]

ah nope it indeed tour the world

[thick mango]

That could be a good way to rampage

[slow obsidian]

1125

now that i reread it

[thick mango]

We don't know he knows that but it's not that crazy that he might have found out

[slow obsidian]

so yeah 3000 times bigger then earth

[unique lagoon]

nah it makes sense iirc when rocks got defeated
the pirates in beehive said it was expected
sengoku also saying they hate each other

[native cloud]

[thick mango]

Maybe the first thing loki does is go find out what happened to his hero

[native cloud]

Yeah??

[dense rapids]

So we have

Wano Bell
Golden Bell
Ox Bell

[unique lagoon]

some pirates prob tried using him also

[dense rapids]

Are there any other bells in one piece?

[native cloud]

Gather them around and makes em spill like Sommers been doing

[unique lagoon]

im expecting BM to manipualte loki

somewhere down the line

[thick mango]

I kinda wish strussen had more going on

[native cloud]

In that flashback??

[unique lagoon]

in the 8years of being pirate ye

[thick mango]

He's still alive on wci right

[unique lagoon]

ye he was still cookin during tea party

[thick mango]

I wonder what the future has in store for him If anything

He's probably mostly at fault for how big mom ended up

[unique lagoon]

i mean its not like BMP hates him he can stay there

[thick mango]

Sure but does he have a next move with bm presumably dead

[unique lagoon]

[grand flower]

Ofc, blow me

[dense rapids]

Ok

Do you know the tale of Urashima Tarō

[grand flower]

No sir!

Meek was about to beat your ass for this

[dense rapids]

Alr would be too much to explain rn

[ashen perch]

not even his translation smh

[ashen perch]

not really

[grand flower]

Whoever made this drove to middle school

[dense rapids]

It’s a schizo post

[grand flower]

Lemme whip out YT

[dense rapids]

Basically I think Luffy = Urashima

[ashen perch]

its the tale of a fisherman who saved a dying turtle, was invited to an underwater Ryugu Palace where he is welcomed by the princess, and when he returns back to the surface, a number of centuries have passed already

something like that

[slow obsidian]

if you open the box

[grand flower]

YT don’t know who this nigga is either

[slow obsidian]

someone dies

[ashen perch]

oh yeah the box

[slow obsidian]

pretty based story tbh

[dense rapids]

There’s a bell in old Wano

[ashen perch]

he was given a Tamate Box by the Princess, and it ages him up rapidly the moment he opens it

[grand flower]

Ohh this will probably be how Luffy returns to the present

[ashen perch]

you might recognize these names from a little known series called One Piece

[dense rapids]

Any in Wano Luffy is called

Luffytaro

And we have Urashima Taro

[slow obsidian]

open the box luffy, unleash hope to this world (pandora box reference)

[unique lagoon]

shandora = wano?

[dense rapids]

Luffytaro fights Urashima

Urashima Taro went to ryugu palace and when he returned home he found hundreds of years have passed

Luffy is Joy boy from the future and lived in the void century

[shy isle]

Just finished ep 1153 and I want to read the manga, which chapter do I start in

[rich hornet]

Chapter 1

[shy isle]

I want to resume from the latest episode

[dense rapids]

People assume the Shandora gold came from Wano

[ashen perch]

eh that doesnt really mean much, Shanks is also Akataro, and it just means "oldest son"

its common prefix in JP names

[unique lagoon]

why only stop with the gold?

[dense rapids]

This bell tower will be important

I didn’t notice it all this time

It’s the tallest building in old Wano

[unique lagoon]

im taking about them being weavers of history

[grand flower]

@dense rapids Wano and Shandora were born known for being lands of gold

[native cloud]

What did you think about the last episode??

[grand flower]

Wano was the land of gold, Shandora had a city of gold

[dense rapids]

Maybe the bell above is also gold

[grand flower]

Both seemed to have been stolen

[native cloud]

People still believe Luffy hasn’t reached the level yet lol

[unique lagoon]

seams fine
i kinda wish the gorosei losing their transformation was done better

[native cloud]

Yeah, that threw me off a too

[grand flower]

It’s all coming together fr

[ashen perch]

Though Luffy + the series definitely has some references to Urashimataro, he fights sumo wrestler Urashima in Act 1, his post G5 state is exactly what happens to Urashimataro when he opens the Tamate Box, the Ryugu Palace in FMI is taken from the story too and so is the name Otohime, and the Tamate Box is the name of the container that had the Energy Steroids that Hody abused.

[dense rapids]

Is that gold trim?

[unique lagoon]

showing the vice admirals getting KO by joyboy was a good touch

[native cloud]

In the anime they only showed 2

[dense rapids]

THIS u explained it

[native cloud]

Unlike in the manga

[unique lagoon]

thats fine that sends the message

[native cloud]

Lol

[dense rapids]

Also the giant turtle

[unique lagoon]

in the manga we dint even saw them fall down

just skip to them sleeping

[ashen perch]

Skypiea ❤️

[unique lagoon]

now i wonder if anime will show kizaru getting knockout and waking up first

[dense rapids]

If Luffy actually is Joy Boy

Then him being trapped in the past could be based on the legend of Urashima

[grand flower]

The pills in the tamate box made Hody and his men what?

All white

Red eyes

White hair

[ashen perch]

yeah

[grand flower]

Sounds familiar?

[ashen perch]

yupp, I wonder if Joyboy left them in FMI

[grand flower]

Idt Luffy would do that

[ashen perch]

you forgot about the inhumane strength part too btw

[grand flower]

An ally tho for sure

[ashen perch]

its an inversion of Domi Reversi

[grand flower]

Not impressive to me, I’m inhumanly strong too

[native cloud]

Doubt Toei would embarrass the admiral agenda like that

[unique lagoon]

does the city of gold and land of gold wano even fit
timeline wise

[grand flower]

Kizaru did NOT pass out from Joy boy Haki!!!

[unique lagoon]

it was called city of gold during ryuma time ye?

[ashen perch]

Yeah

[unique lagoon]

and ryuma was not 800 years old

[grand flower]

We dunno when Wano lost the gold

I figure Venus took it to finance the WG

[ashen perch]

he couldnt have been, he defend Wano from the World Nobles and they are a post VC thing

[slow obsidian]

1122 but to familiarize yourself try to start at 1111 and skim to your current at your pace

[ashen perch]

one of the world nobles in question is probably Nusjuro yea

[grand flower]

Yeah unless the fox monk has history wrong

[unique lagoon]

hold up we seriously have no timeline when ryuma was walking around

[dense rapids]

OHHHH another thing I forgot

The chapter robin talks about joy boy

[grand flower]

Just that he seems to have been born after the VC concluded

[dense rapids]

The title is connected to the story of Urashima

[ashen perch]

could be, I imagine theres parts that are incorrect but Ryuma's tale is well known unlike VC things

[dense rapids]

Sea breams and plaices

[grand flower]

LETS GO BRUH

[upbeat yarrow]

comedy-wise this scene was done so well in the anime, specially when the giant shadow appears

[grand flower]

@ashen perch time traveling Luffy!!!

[ashen perch]

well no, but the Mermaid Princess/Otohime/Urashima/Joyboy connections are very real yeah

[unique lagoon]

why is the wiki using Monsters as a source for ryuma backstory

[dense rapids]

Joy boy is talked about two panels later

[ashen perch]

maybe in One Piece it was the other way around, Joyboy left the Tamate Box with Mermaid Princess

[ashen perch]

its such a bad idea, like I am pretty sure we will get a real Ryuma backstory one day

[unique lagoon]

eitherway
im not seeing any timeline here

[ashen perch]

V.Nusjuro, the planet of Gold, probably fought Ryuma, the defender of the Land of Gold

[tidal onyx]

Oh yea 100%

[ashen perch]

and we will get a Ryuma backstory when we get a Nusjuro backstory

[unique lagoon]

they just calling it "country of gold" era

[tidal onyx]

I also believe the onigashima skull was the dragon he slayed because the island had another name hinted in Odas notes to be called ryugashima meaning dragon island

[unique lagoon]

old wano sank 800 years ago ye?

[grand flower]

Blind till rhe very end

[ashen perch]

technically there is one timeline, but its taken with a massive grain of salt

[tidal onyx]

We also do have to remember that wano made the poneglph which would have mean they likely made the bell during the void century as well

[ashen perch]

cause its from One Piece Magazine, where they said that Ryuma probably existed 400 years ago

[unique lagoon]

yes this is what i was talking about
400 years old ryuma

so it was from a magazine?

[tidal onyx]

Yea I for sure don’t believe that magazine is cannon

[unique lagoon]

pretty underwhelming source

[ashen perch]

yeah I can see it, Marco also implied that it used to have a different name but that was never explored further

[unique lagoon]

what kind of magazine is it again? who said it

[tidal onyx]

Exactly 100%

[ashen perch]

its official, but has a team of writers that arent Oda and have gotten things wrong before

[unique lagoon]

i remember the old theory
ryuma cut off the head of the former dragon DF user = onigashima skull

[tidal onyx]

Oh I could for sure see that

[storm basalt]

hat chapter is this from

[dense rapids]

Why does it have a Oni head and not a dragon head

[unique lagoon]

BUT dragons did exist back then? how long ago? who knows

[slow obsidian]

prob the devil tree who spawned dragons

[tidal onyx]

It’s either that or possibly a mythical race of giants that could be dragons

It follows the zoan naming scheme

[unique lagoon]

where did myhical giant came from

never heard of that term

[grand flower]

I think that’s assuming there will be such a thing

[tidal onyx]

It’s the only one that’s missing we have three other giant races that match zoan I believe there is a race that would be considered mythical class

[grand flower]

Cause so far, giants also line up with zoans having artificial and ancient versions in addition to the standard

[dense rapids]

Loki and Oars seem to be among the biggest

Unless the mural doesn’t show

[unique lagoon]

well atm i think giants history goes back 1st world timeline
people brush off things being connected to the first world cuz we dont have enough info on it

[dense rapids]

People think the first world is fake

[unique lagoon]

irrelevant thats another convo

[slow obsidian]

you mean the giant alien

with their imaginary savior turned real

[unique lagoon]

first world timeline still exist
and surely some stuff in current timeline is connected to it

[tidal onyx]

Onigashima is much larger and the giant sword on elbaf suggest a giant of mythical proportions

[dense rapids]

Nika was a giant imo

[unique lagoon]

we already got the harley
and loki saying elbaf mountains are First World
basing on their mythology

[dense rapids]

Adam the hero Nika

[slow obsidian]

nika is prob alien and also imaginary too

[tidal onyx]

That’s what I’m thinking and his name was Adam and Oars father was possibly Noah

[dense rapids]

Nika is real

[slow obsidian]

a literal human consciousness turned real made of haki

[dense rapids]

BRO

[unique lagoon]

i mean aliens are real
the moon people thats been proven already

[slow obsidian]

thats why they called it god, made from haki and can defy reality

[unique lagoon]

what happened after they landed on earth is the question

[dense rapids]

You’re just like me

[slow obsidian]

human consciousnes from dying planet create nika

[unique lagoon]

i still think theres a reason why it had that power

like the real source of the magic system oda made

[slow obsidian]

ive been saying maryoku in OP is haki

[unique lagoon]

its like the FORCE of starwars
putting it simply

[dense rapids]

Adam = Nika

Eve = Mermaid Queen

[tidal onyx]

They literally gather around the eve and Adam tree too

[unique lagoon]

VP was talking about this energy thats around us
thats the thing im talking about
that is not solar power i highly doubt

[dense rapids]

On the mural we see the original Fishman migrating to the Eve tree

That’s why the mural confuses me

The left side I assume is the void century war and a foreshadow of the final war

[tidal onyx]

100% that was apart of my emerald city theory that oda loves Star Wars incorporating some of the stuff

[dense rapids]

The right side seems to be stuff from the first and second world combined

[unique lagoon]

this aint even the panel im talking about

[dense rapids]

Tho I assume that because of Noah

[tidal onyx]

Yea I wasn’t trying to find the panel lol

[unique lagoon]

oh its a meme

then

[dense rapids]

If Noah was built in the first world then everything on that side seems to come from it

[unique lagoon]

gotta use the "force" so people understand it better

invisible energy thats causing magic to happen

[dense rapids]

If the people walking are going to FMI

Then I think the hole is the entrance to the Deep Deep Sea a location even lower than FMI

[rose rune]

midichlorian piece

[tidal onyx]

Oh I think Noah was built during the void

[rose rune]

Imagine if Oda suddenly wrote haki as midichlorians

[unique lagoon]

yep found it

[slow obsidian]

isnt that glowing thing in the mural haki, haki, dreams and flame is the same in OP

[dense rapids]

This could be Eve

[unique lagoon]

i can even argue that energy is the main reason the moon people went down to earth

and for some reason nika can harness this and powerup robots

go figure

[tidal onyx]

Oars was like only 159 years old so I’m thinking onigashima was Noah and was slayed by Ryuma. Now the reason why they would fight is either A) Imu controlled him somehow or B) the giants built pluton aka Noah the shipwright built it and pluton caused the void century and he went to reclaim and Ryuma slayed him

@dense rapids

[tidal onyx]

Yo this is fantastic pull

[slow obsidian]

i think just because the new planet they found has a moon doesnt mean they come from that moon, civilization is downgrading and people just cant fathom there is other "moon" out there

[tidal onyx]

What vol is this from

[unique lagoon]

i agree on the part that the shipwrite giants made pluton

[dense rapids]

62

[tidal onyx]

Oh nvm I saw lol sorry

[dense rapids]

Like the beginning of FMI

[unique lagoon]

wait noah was built by joyboy? or fishmen?

[dense rapids]

Giants

[tidal onyx]

It was built by galley la

[unique lagoon]

thats the theory?

[dense rapids]

Yea

[tidal onyx]

Oars likely lead galley la and was captured by them

[unique lagoon]

no i mean from FMI arc
did they say who built it?

[dense rapids]

Just “that clan”

[slow obsidian]

and i think vegapunk just reinvent the old technology, he is this close to find the truth about haki, soul, dream
the one that imu desperately hides

[dense rapids]

We assumed buccaneer until Galleila reveal

Oars and galeila make more sense

Since it’s literally a giant ship

[tidal onyx]

Yea and galley la getting captured in a land of ice would likely mean oars was there as well

[dense rapids]

People say A&Mu just means Atom but I think it’s deeper

[dense rapids]

A = Adam

Mu = Mother Sea/Eve

[unique lagoon]

ok found it

they did confirm who made it

[dense rapids]

Go to what the sea kings said

[tidal onyx]

I’m not even sure this is true

Given how long ago was it

I assume they did help building with it

But they were not the sole reason

[unique lagoon]

cmon guys we cant just ignore exposition like this

[dense rapids]

I mean the sea kings were actually there

[tidal onyx]

This isn’t ignoring exposition really though lol especially when we were given exposition later that could mean something different

[unique lagoon]

chapter number?

[dense rapids]

Idk

[digital spear]

648

[tidal onyx]

It’s like 649

[pine ridge]

he didn't say fishmen specifically built it

[dense rapids]

Idek what a denzinen is

[pine ridge]

someone that lives in said place

like a resident

[dense rapids]

Why Oda being difficult and not say citizen

[digital spear]

#also-manga message

[pine ridge]

could be a weird translation

[tidal onyx]

It’s probably the translation

[dense rapids]

2 works

The giants would be foreigners

[digital spear]

so the giants were simply visiting fishman island and built the noah

[pine ridge]

or lived there even

[tidal onyx]

Exactly remember joyboy came to fmi to leave poneglph and he made a promise to bring them to the surface that promise was the ship they built

[dense rapids]

Wotans

[unique lagoon]

but its just saying built by "them"

[digital spear]

yeah, not the fishmen

[unique lagoon]

well...

[dense rapids]

Also the Noah architecture is similar to TB

[digital spear]

if it was the fishmen there wouldnt be a problem

[unique lagoon]

built by them
but its a different time now

[digital spear]

then the fishmen would just repair it

but the seakings outright said they need help by them but its a different time

[unique lagoon]

cuz its a different time now

[grand flower]

The giants may have been hiding in FMI

[unique lagoon]

they are not as skilled as before

[grand flower]

Oh this could work into my theory that the Abyss is weak to water and sea life

The giants built the Noah in FMI csuse Imu couldnt get there

[tidal onyx]

The abyss is the sea I for get but they literally call the entrance the abyss

[dense rapids]

605

[unique lagoon]

to be clear i do like the idea that the shpwrite giants was in old FMI whatever that place looks like

[digital spear]

are you saying Oda mysteriously points at so,e "THEY" just for it to bbe the same fishmen who live just there on that island

[grand flower]

I think the Abyss is a dark counterpart to the sea

[prisma yacht]

Do we think shanks' mark still works ?

[dense rapids]

I do

[pine ridge]

no idea

[unique lagoon]

this reminds me of WB calling roger "that man" or "him"

[digital spear]

no

[dense rapids]

I’m not buying cutting the arm off cancelled it

[digital spear]

yeah

[grand flower]

No

[dense rapids]

If that’s the case why didn’t he just cut it off instead of keeping the mark for 3 years

[tidal onyx]

Yea it’s meant to mean the bottom of the sea

[tidal onyx]

607 but close

[dense rapids]

There’s a deeper sea

[digital spear]

because he didnt want to cut off his arm

[dense rapids]

That’s just the deep sea

[prisma yacht]

If it was just cutting off the marked limb why didn't he ask anyone else to do it

[dense rapids]

There’s a Deep Deep Sea below fmi

[grand flower]

I think he kept it for a reason but decided that reason was no longer necessary when the gum gum chose Luffy

Ans Luffy. Said the same words as Roger

[dense rapids]

I’m not buying it

[grand flower]

Probably the underworld

[unique lagoon]

i just had an idea

[digital spear]

you dont buy that someone just doesnt want to lose his arm?

[tidal onyx]

Nah I don’t think there’s a deep sea unless it’s underground

[prisma yacht]

Or is it that it can't be done knowingly? But that wld push it too far

[tidal onyx]

Fmi is bottom of the sea

[grand flower]

Sea of the underworld

Like the river styx

[dense rapids]

Look at it deeper

[grand flower]

Or the biblical abyss

[dense rapids]

Shanks saw what happened to Harald

Shanks left the holy land to escape Imu control

Is it really that simple to just remove the arm?

[frozen aspen]

he didn't keep it for three years the castle incident happened right before his year in east blue

[digital spear]

removing your arm isnt simple

[dense rapids]

The abyss tiers

Shallow Sea
Deep Sea
Deep Deep Sea

[unique lagoon]

if the Galleila giant made pluton and they are the origin of the blueprint
they got frozen because the one that frozen them wants them to remake pluton but ofc they dint so they where preserved until they find away for them to obey = getting elbaf king
that makes sense ye?

[dense rapids]

Otw to Fishman island we cross the Shallow Sea and Deep Sea

It’s like a reverse of the White Sea and White White Sea

[unique lagoon]

so it boils down to these giants making multiple ancient weapons to take over the world

[dense rapids]

The tree is FMI

There’s a hole that goes deeper where the flame is

[frozen aspen]

I think cutting the arm off works

I can't see shanks still being affected otherwise he'd have to stay as far away as possible from Mariejois and he went out of his way to go to Marineford

[prisma yacht]

It could be that shanks was still in the process of thinking what to do with his mark as we know he loses it right after this castle event

[digital spear]

yep

[dense rapids]

There were no knights or Imu at Marineford

[unique lagoon]

redline is pretty high where imu is
is that range far enough?

[tranquil blade]

It might be over for Shamrock tbh he's a full knight

[trim lily]

i really hope shanks losing his arm doesnt get recontextualized into him doing it to remove the mark

[unique lagoon]

that be funny tho

hitting 2 birds with one stone

[prisma yacht]

Could be as small as the same island imu is on

the range^

[unique lagoon]

save luffy and inspire him

• remove imu

[dense rapids]

I think if shanks is in the holy land he’s in range

Away from it he’s out of range

[tranquil blade]

Imu's voice probably couldnt reach them if they arent on the red line

[digital spear]

I think Shanks realized after his arm was bit off that it was the arm with the mark so he thought "this is fate"

[tranquil blade]

Oda's a hack so yknow

[trim lily]

i dont think id mind that too much

[unique lagoon]

so shanks just dint think and acted randomly
dint bother using his sword to kill sea king

oh wait.. luffy ate the DF already

ok thats even funnier

[prisma yacht]

So it was fine for him to stay away from mariejois as he knew it wasn't the right time to go against them yet
This wld explain him wanting to keep his limb intact for a particular time

[dense rapids]

I feel like Oda told us this range thing for the shallow seal just to hint at the possibility of shanks still being in Imu grasp

[tidal onyx]

Yea it would be the deep deep sea the sea has 3 tiers oda brings up this very thing

[prisma yacht]

the range and how to defeat an hk can explain this

[prisma yacht]

Basically harald's death will put down many questions

[dense rapids]

I think it’s like this

The Abzu = The Abyss/Deep Deep Sea

[unique lagoon]

only the lowest tier has range ye?

[dense rapids]

Yea

[prisma yacht]

Yea

[unique lagoon]

dont worry gunko will be the key

mf already broke the connection so the solution is there somewhere

[grand flower]

Lebanon twin mountains

Laboon and twin cape

[dense rapids]

Holy cook

[latent hamlet]

Ngl
It'd be funny if shanks got the wrong arm bitten off and is like "....aw shit do i have to be completely armless to get rid of the contract"

And imu is watching like ".....well if he gets rid of both then honestly fuck him"

[grand flower]

Laboon is a whale

Jonah was eaten by a whale

Jonah encountered a sea monster in the abyss

[unique lagoon]

laboon is future pluton theory

[grand flower]

Davy jones is also known as the ghost of Jonah

[dapper tree]

Mihawk has the same reaction

[unique lagoon]

so shanks enountered mihawk during his marine hunting days ye?

[slow obsidian]

that elephant the king is riding is zhou right?, and inside that elephat is ship containing many race and animal

so they travel the sky with zhou magic, and just like laboon, containing something inside to survive the space ADVENTUREEEE

[latent hamlet]

Also
Imu branded left arms

Imu is a left handed person

With a missing right arm cuz Nika took it

[unique lagoon]

is it a boat is it an elephant

both?

[dense rapids]

I think it’s zou being portrayed as a boat

[unique lagoon]

the king is joyboy? rightful king?

[slow obsidian]

elephant with both inside, because laboon has small island people can life>?

[dapper tree]

It's the Noah and Zunisha

Next to each other

[dense rapids]

Joy boy wasn’t king

[unique lagoon]

rightful king

[dense rapids]

It would be Davy jones or Imu

[unique lagoon]

emet wanted joyboy to be king member?

[slow obsidian]

that is nika because people is handing it their dreams (haki) energy soul

[dense rapids]

I think it’s Davy jones

[unique lagoon]

why would you ignore what emet said

[slow obsidian]

and its a king until verse 3 when shadow take over

[dense rapids]

Wdym

Davy jones was the king of the world

[unique lagoon]

emet said he failed making joyboy king

whats that then

[slow obsidian]

verse 3

verse 2 is when moon clan divided and devil fruit happening

[fluid cedar]

Imu said he wasn’t

[dense rapids]

He was coping

[unique lagoon]

imu is king
davy jones king
joyboy king

[fluid cedar]

Imu’s a more authentic source he was around at the time xebec was just ragebaiting

[dense rapids]

Or Imu was rage baiting xebec

I believe Davy jones was actually king

[slow obsidian]

lightning struck the tree meaning something happening to it
saving memories on the tree is old civilization tech

[prisma yacht]

Authentic source ? Imu?

[slow obsidian]

thats when devil fruit accident happen

[dapper tree]

Imu has major bias

[dense rapids]

“Never existed”

[fluid cedar]

Very authentic have you seen imu lie

[slow obsidian]

yeeted

[unique lagoon]

nah i think imu was actually insulted
thats like a mad person yapping and telling the truth

[dense rapids]

Naw imu took Davy throne

[prisma yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/never-ever-cecilie-fjellhøy-the-tinder-swindler-no-nope-gif-10642138744337586230

[unique lagoon]

sure imu took it thats fine
jones could have been the true king

[slow obsidian]

if you believe it 100% in your heart is it even lie
you just domi reversied

[dense rapids]

Davy Jones is Bluebeard and Imu took the keys to his castle

[fluid cedar]

xebec lied and davy jones just ended up being king of hachinosu

[unique lagoon]

now just add where joyboy as king fit into this

[dense rapids]

It doesn’t because he wasn’t king

[unique lagoon]

but he was suppose to be based on emet

so we can assume joyboys goal was to be king

[dense rapids]

Yes and he failed

[unique lagoon]

so did jones whats your point

[dense rapids]

Jones was king and lost it

Joy boy was never king

[unique lagoon]

it boils down if joyboy and jones happened at the same time

[outer flax]

Why did Vegapunk said that "people clones will bring peace to the world "?

[royal orchid]

Joyboy D. Jones

Davy D. Joyboy

[dense rapids]

Davy D Luffy

[unique lagoon]

man what if jones was from the first world that be wild

[grand flower]

@ashen perch @stone tulip @hot cairn you guys might find this interesting too

Davy Jones is also known as the ghost of Jonah.

Davy Jones is known for being thrown overboard by his crew in mutiny

In the Bible, Jonah is tasked by god to preach in a city he hates, so he got on a boat heading the opposite direction. God sent a divine storm and when the sailors ask Jonah what can be done, he says “kill me, throw me overboard.” They don’t want to but he talks them into it and they repent as they’re throwing him overboard

This is when Jonah is swallowed by a whale in the abyss

[unique lagoon]

dint robin say jones was a pirate?

[dense rapids]

Who does this sound like in OP

[outer flax]

Oda introduced first world but we know zero shit about first world except lab in elbaf

[outer flax]

Void century flashback will have it's own first world flashback

[unique lagoon]

we got a date

[outer flax]

[dense rapids]

Agreed

[prisma yacht]

Wheres this from

[slow obsidian]

wayy more than 800-900 years ago

[dense rapids]

Vander Decken

[outer flax]

Yes but don't know if that's when first world started

[unique lagoon]

since this is the only one we have
ill take this as fact

[prisma yacht]

Ooo

[warm falcon]

mo'ning

[slow obsidian]

top of the

[unique lagoon]

vander decken aka davy jones

[outer flax]

Which chapter?

[warm falcon]

i said someone saying joyboy d jones?

[urban lodge]

Davy Jones was Vander Decken and started the family tradition of fake names

[warm falcon]

beginning of Elbaf

[outer flax]

Seeing vander decken descentded , nobody want to see vander decken ancestor

[dense rapids]

What if this is Davy jones and not Imu

[outer flax]

Chapter no.

[unique lagoon]

1131

[outer flax]

Hopefully we see sun world of elbaf. I feel like it's just exist for no reason at this point

[unique lagoon]

you mean heaven realm?

[outer flax]

Yea

Heaven realm

[unique lagoon]

my headcanon is idas grave is in heaven realm
so we saw it already

[unique lagoon]

heralds grave prob up there also

and jorul

[outer flax]

Idk about that

[slow obsidian]

could be both, imu has tendency to posess people

[unique lagoon]

you imagine the place looking different?

[outer flax]

Heaven realm sound more mysterious. Maybe giants used to live there

[dense rapids]

I think the Abyss was previously Davy jones power and Imu just stole it

[outer flax]

Or some shit

[unique lagoon]

well my crackpot theory is sky people lives there

[outer flax]

Would be cool with some lore

[warm falcon]

nice hypothesis

[slow obsidian]

imu being the power stoler or having multiple power fits endgame manga tradition

[outer flax]

First world giants used to be bigger than ancient giant

[warm falcon]

what about that grimoire? maybe it contains all the devil fruit powers

[outer flax]

Like as big as those shadow we see in florian triangle

[unique lagoon]

i swear its because of the earths atmosphere changing

dint skypeia made trees grow bigger

[slow obsidian]

my headcanon is ink related power, the first power they have is to store and retrieve creation

[warm falcon]

that's why he is a devil, a dragon, that salamander-shit, the blob, the umibouzu (if its connected to florian)

[outer flax]

How the moon connected to earth. Lots of shit to think about

Did skypiean came from moon

[warm falcon]

or... the devil is the source of all fruits powers

[slow obsidian]

in a book because imu is a nerd, also using magic circle because

[unique lagoon]

i mean the world ended twice
so thats prob the culprit

[dense rapids]

I’m not sure about that yet

Every time we dwell into magic in OP it gets explained as science

So is the book just an artifact of science?

[outer flax]

Maybe lunarian are creatures which came from moon

[dense rapids]

Maybe science isn’t the right word

Alchemy is better

[outer flax]

How did the world end first time

[unique lagoon]

remember the enel wall paintings
people saying theres a 4th winged people

[slow obsidian]

the first world ended because overexploitation

or maybe life cycle

[unique lagoon]

world was covered in death and darkness iirc

[dense rapids]

Ngl that looks like a tontarta

[warm falcon]

but Imu was enemy of the kingdom of science... or he had an equivalent power to counter it or stole it (it = the science power)

[unique lagoon]

which one

[outer flax]

Who is the last supernova we have left to explore?

[slow obsidian]

the big snake moving is just giant earthquake everywhere

[slow obsidian]

meaining exploding imminent

[warm falcon]

the winged buffy guy

[outer flax]

Urouge

[unique lagoon]

that one?

[dense rapids]

Yea

[unique lagoon]

how

[dense rapids]

Wdym

[outer flax]

Yea all the skypiean and sky people lore about to come from urougr

Watch out for him

[unique lagoon]

whats the difference

the forehead?

[warm falcon]

yeah i like this theory coz its fun, altho i think its not probable

[outer flax]

Space aliens

[urban kiln]

nami on screen vs nami not on screen

[outer flax]

Space aliens existed in first world

That's where joyboy got the idea of pirates

[unique lagoon]

ngl it makes more sense if thats just lunarians the 4th winged race

[outer flax]

And he became the first pirate on blue sea

[dense rapids]

Tontatta and Minks come from the moon imo

[outer flax]

Don't know about minks

But their connection with moon is definitely weird

[unique lagoon]

true there are minks in space

they aint even from the moon iirc they just started digging there

[warm falcon]

the tontattas coz... the mini automatas ared based on him?

[dense rapids]

That works as well

[outer flax]

Will they be always be in sulong form if they remain in moon?

[unique lagoon]

sure why not

i like to imagine enel already beat all the space yonkos

[outer flax]

I think imu will destroy the moon