also-manga

[tawny panther]

I wasn’t familiar with your game Linlin.. I apologize

[sage temple]

Or whatever falling down

https://tenor.com/view/whiplash-movie-stare-meme-jgmm-ragebait-gif-10607227570464337469

[grand flower]

honesty impact - orca

[tough igloo]

lol now I understand why Elbaf was so terrified of Big Mom

[wraith mantle]

ragnir is the guardian deity of the legendary DF

[sage temple]

Loki will forever be the strongest child in the series

[tough igloo]

Big Mom got the best combat feat for any child

[grand flower]

Captain John attacked Loki with by controlling Ragnir with magnetism

[tough igloo]

so far at least

[cosmic hamlet]

Oda and loss of memory

[wraith mantle]

curious to see what oda does with ragnir/the DF/Loki

hope he doesn't go the "worthy" route

such a tired trope

[cosmic hamlet]

Atleast jarul is not as bad as sabo one

[stone terrace]

Its mroe than memory loss atp

Even gaban is bullshitting

They know loki didnt kill harald

Well

Harald harald

[wraith mantle]

he isn't

[sweet kettle]

if ragnir is devil fruit infused then it also has a mind of its own

[stone terrace]

Hes literally right there

[sweet kettle]

so could well be that it just chooses whoever's personality matches most

[stone terrace]

He attacked harald himself

[wraith mantle]

gaban doesn't know why harald went evil

[stone terrace]

He has no high horse to sit on

[sweet kettle]

worthy but not in a righteous hero way

[tough igloo]

he does lol shanks explained it to him right before they arrived

[sweet kettle]

im assuming loki goes on a rampage/cant control the devil fruit and thats why he ended up chained

[wraith mantle]

so ragnir has a DF, and loki will eat a DF

[cosmic hamlet]

Wdym? Loki did kill harald

[sweet kettle]

yes 😃

[wraith mantle]

nice parallel to shamrock, he also has a weapon thats eaten a DF

[sweet kettle]

yes

[runic dock]

Okay maybe morj finally cooked….

https://youtu.be/6EiaCYumODs?si=K-RN-h9jXLDFQ32H

[wraith mantle]

damn

[dense rapids]

Noticing

[wraith mantle]

then he really was bullshitting

[tough igloo]

2 things about this incident have already been debunked as lies

1.) Loki killed the guards in the castle

2.) Loki stole the DF due to his own ambition to become Nika

what’s next

[runic dock]

This was the guy , my favorite impel down character

I forgot about him

[wraith mantle]

loki beat harald alone

[tough igloo]

oh yeah you right so that’s 3 things already lol

[sweet kettle]

mihawk is the strongest swordsman

[sage temple]

I mean Shanks and Gaban are kinda slacking ngl

[cosmic hamlet]

I thought level 1 doesn't have contract with imu, i thought it's just a symbolic gesture of trust

[tough igloo]

lol what that gotta do with elbaf 😂😂just had to slide in some mihawk slander ?

[wraith mantle]

question is tho

why did shanks attack loki later on

this kinda is confusing

[tough igloo]

i think it was cause loki was being reckless on the seas

[sage temple]

I think it was to have Loki and Luffy meet

[sweet kettle]

im assuming loki goes on a rampage/cant control the devil fruit and thats why he ended up chained

[tough igloo]

Loki fucked with shanks fleet or territory and Shanks said that’s enough and went to beat up Loki

[wraith mantle]

yeah but shanks should know loki aint a bad guy

[sage temple]

Loki losing control is extremely unlikely though

[tough igloo]

if Loki did something to someone that shanks cared about then that wouldn’t matter

[sage temple]

Especially if he was able to kill Harald

[tough igloo]

and we know shanks cares about that trash ass fleet

[sage temple]

He's definitely well aware of his powers

[sweet kettle]

with a devil fruit that can supposedly "end the world"

[tough igloo]

and his territory

[wraith mantle]

maybe imu domi reversi's loki

[sage temple]

Whitebeard had a fruit that could end the world

[wraith mantle]

but then again shanks would know about domi reversi

[sage temple]

Loki's will is also very high

[runic dock]

That was our assumption , but it seems gorosei lied by omission when explaining to Harald , even the intern contract works if imu is in range , it’s very limited , and still no teleporter and no immortality

[sage temple]

Why would Loki call Shanks a coward then

Why would Loki be mad at Shanks at all

[wraith mantle]

yeah like if shanks helped him in the castle incident

why is loki so hostile towards shanks

[runic dock]

For not fighting celestials directly yet maybe

[sage temple]

Loki doesn't seem to care about Shanks at the castle

Loki getting Domi'd is already unlikely by itself

[thick mango]

It's not about the harald incident it's about shanks taking him in when he's rampaging years later

[wraith mantle]

also the special bounty has to be related to his DF now

[thick mango]

Id guess loki is impatiently going against the wg vs shanks who is pursuing a longer more careful plan

[cosmic hamlet]

Yeah looks like saturn lied here when said only level 2 and 3 can get into contract with god

[runic dock]

A very varys type play , lying by omission , it lulls you into a false sense of security

[cosmic hamlet]

Probably why shanks went with it

[shadow vault]

This is VIZ translation yeah?

[prisma yacht]

Yeah the official one

[cosmic hamlet]

Yep

This is tcb, kinda same meaning

[shadow vault]

Tcb scan said the Shanks had was minor like probably so useless but with the newest chapter and Shanks statement elder literally lied there

Or they just dont explain it detailed

[cosmic hamlet]

Level 1 was referred as mere trace of bond, i don't know what that is

[sweet kettle]

kinda not

[shadow vault]

But either way Shanks know about the pact him losing his hand probably to cut the contract

[sweet kettle]

it says "to be bound FULLY to the true god"

[cosmic hamlet]

"who are to be bound fully to the true god"

[sweet kettle]

FULLY is the takeaway here

it implies that youre already somewhat bound to him

just shallow

as the contract's name states

[shadow vault]

Probably just a shallow level of trust (first stage to become close to a god) ig

[cosmic hamlet]

Looks like you can release level 1 by losing an arm, but it won't work for level 2 and 3

[shadow vault]

He also smiled too when he lose his hand

[sweet kettle]

well yeah because anything above you get immortality

which regenerates that lost limb

• imu can just tell you off

i wonder how shanks found out about imu and how much he knows about him

[cosmic hamlet]

Fair but i would prefer official over tcb anyway

[sweet kettle]

back during the flashback and now present time

[runic rune]

Or that he only thinks it cuts off control but that shanks will be taken control of and have to be defeated sometime during the final arc and that’s how luffy ends up fighting him

[shadow vault]

And he know about imu voice following them so I think Shanks has heard imu voice in the holy land

[sweet kettle]

me too usually but sometimes official translation kinda sucks

[cosmic hamlet]

Yeah, before this chapter i thought level 1 is just a symbol of trust, nothing to do with imu

[cosmic hamlet]

[sweet kettle]

i mean honestly its really hard to not find out about imu if youre a holy knight

youre constantly confronted with the gorosei and their missions

and they lowkey dont even hide it

[cosmic hamlet]

I wonder if shanks really lost the control from imu or we will get a twist at the end

[shadow vault]

True but if its seeing imu personally I think its only for the deep pact and deep deep pact

[sweet kettle]

well id assume at the very least shanks tried to lose the control by severing his arm

and shanks seems less gullible and more knowledgable on stuff like that

[shadow vault]

Except gunko this one is anomally

[sweet kettle]

he knew what the deepter contracts entailed

and purposely avoided them

[cosmic hamlet]

Very rarely yeah

[sweet kettle]

yur

[cosmic hamlet]

Someone forwarded a message and the first statement itself is wrong😭

[frigid gulch]

They call Imu “The Great One”

But they seem to hide everything until promotion

Besides just saying that title

[shadow vault]

The great one, the world,

The black blob

[woeful moth]

https://tenor.com/view/the-rock-gif-19751358

[frigid gulch]

Cause I mean once you form the Deep Sea pact

You’re done for

[cosmic hamlet]

Has anyone called imu Great one except garling?

[frigid gulch]

Ye

[dense rapids]

Who’s getting redeemed because of mind control?

[frigid gulch]

Sommers, Killingham

[sweet kettle]

potentially all of them

[frigid gulch]

Hell naw man

[strong wadi]

Ok, well Oda certainly has some explaining to do with the whole Shanks/Loki thing and Loki still being imprisoned

I imagine part of it is that Loki wants Harald to keep his good reputation but I dont see why Loki would need to be locked up forever over it.

[dense rapids]

Naw I don’t think all

[frigid gulch]

Don’t need to redeem them all

[sweet kettle]

judging from gunkos pov most holy knights are indoctrinated from childhood

[dense rapids]

Some of them for sure getting redeemed tho

[sweet kettle]

into knighthood

and then they get controlled by imu

[strong wadi]

I mean, we already know gunko is gonna get redeemed, and if we're being honest, shamrock might have been on the good side the entire time

[frigid gulch]

Some of them are probably sick bastards just cause they’re CDs

[dense rapids]

Ju Peter is my first guess

[strong wadi]

or maybe on the good side until he got his contract

[dense rapids]

He’s always been labeled to be the one that betrays them

Now the moment when Imu asks to use the mother flame maybe makes sense

How they seem to question Imu then agree with him in the next panel

[shadow vault]

Sharley the CD daughter when she heard VP message she also being curious about it

Probably some CD could revolt

[dense rapids]

Yea

[shadow vault]

We have example like myosgard

[sweet kettle]

yeah but the issue is we dont even know which ones were CDs from the get go

[dense rapids]

The personality change in Harald is instant

[sweet kettle]

atleast not for the holy knights

[dense rapids]

So maybe we find moments where it seems like the Gorosei falter?

[frigid gulch]

Some of them will probably be organic

[sweet kettle]

i dont want everyone to be redeemed either

not necessarily atleast

[dense rapids]

Me either but this chapter basically opened the box

[frigid gulch]

It depends on the frequency with which they take people in

[sweet kettle]

but so far its definitely a good possibility

[frigid gulch]

Which might not be that frequent

[sweet kettle]

yur

[dense rapids]

Some of the others are definitely being controlled

[frigid gulch]

Harald was allowed in cause they could use him

Gunko ?

To be seen

[scenic dirge]

Wait what

[frigid gulch]

But Imu seems to have a preference for her or something

[strong wadi]

trust that shamrock and shanks are working together

[scenic dirge]

???

[dense rapids]

If nusjuro is truly connected to Wano then I believe he’s one too

[scenic dirge]

What purpose does that serve 😭 why even create Shamrock atp

I’m convinced that Shamrock SOLELY was created to give Oda an excuse to write an evil shanks plot line without having to actually make his golden boy evil

[dense rapids]

Yea I think shamrock is just evil

[cosmic hamlet]

The girl left to garling kinda gives kiku vibes

Killingham is not even god valley right?

[tough igloo]

yep it’s gonna be Shanks turned out the way he was because of who he was raised by & vice versa with Shamrock

[dense rapids]

Ju Peter 1000% a puppet

[leaden rivet]

Shanks will definitely appeal to shamrocks human side

Shamrock is betraying im sure

[frigid gulch]

He thinks we can’t see

[tough igloo]

Shanks raised by D clan member

Shamrock raised by CD

[leaden rivet]

“You still have a chance” speech and all that

[dense rapids]

Bro always looking sus

[frigid gulch]

Ngl

It’d be funny if they beat Harald with just strong conquerors

That’s been the answer twice so far

[leaden rivet]

Im sure it’ll be revealed extensively later but possibly it could be that Oda changed his mind on shanks being the one to speak with the gorosei

And just changed the entire path of shanks character all the way

[tough igloo]

I still think that was Shanks who met with the Gorosei

[leaden rivet]

But with the specific level of dick eating Luffy has been doing for shanks in Elbaf I think we’ll end up with a gimmick fight where Luffy struggles to fight shamrock for obvious reasons

[cosmic hamlet]

One of the twins has to be evil, that is law. If shamrock is not evil then shanks is

[dense rapids]

Shanks also rather think about Buggy and Ace than Shamrock

[frigid gulch]

I’m kinda hoping Zoro calls him out but

Not sure

Usually it’s what he does

[thick mango]

So with the recent reveals re the pacts it seems basically impossible for there to be a gorosei traitor right

[dense rapids]

There’s no traitor

[thick mango]

I never really bought into that idea but now it seems fully dead

[dense rapids]

But someone is being mind controlled

So they will become one

[tough igloo]

yeah I do wish Luffy as a yonko realizes he should probably dial that back some lol

[dense rapids]

Like Gunko

[frigid gulch]

It kinda seemed like Imu could see Saturn letting Luffy go

Might be cause of the highest tier pact

It’s tricky

[dense rapids]

I need to see more of the holy knights to see if they’re being mind controlled

[frigid gulch]

But now Imu can just forcibly possess them anyway

[dense haven]

gorosei redemption arc soon

[frigid gulch]

Snap them out of existence, etc.

[dense rapids]

Saint Peter was crucified by Nero so that seems like a obvious one for Ju Peter

Nusjuro is probably from Wano and I don’t see a samurai betraying their homeland

[cosmic hamlet]

Do you all think the 4 gorosei will betray garling

[dense rapids]

Imagine

[thick mango]

Nah I think they're all just true believers

[cosmic hamlet]

Its different now, i feel like its the one time an elder was killed by imu

[thick mango]

Their negative reaction towards garling was both perceived impudence before they knew the news and then being unsettled at the implication that they could be next if they similarly failed like saturn

[dense rapids]

I mean we would say the same thing about Harald if we didn’t see him being controlled

Switched personality on the dime

Gunko as well

[thick mango]

They've been in this for decades maybe hundreds of years what other personality could be left at this point

Also I still think it's something imu has to invoke I don't think it's passively on all the time

[cosmic hamlet]

unsettled at the implication that they could be next

Saturn was brave enough to do stuff behind imu back. Now they feel threatened and might scheme something behind imu back

[thick mango]

So I think most of their day to day actions are within their own control

[dense haven]

yall aint ready

[dense rapids]

Wdym Gunko has been imprisoned for a long time too

[cosmic hamlet]

And this is the first time one of them was killed. The thought process changes

[dense rapids]

If they’re being manipulated the true personality is still there

[thick mango]

I don't make much of the gunko stuff till we get more info

And again I think imu has to invoke the full domination I don't think it's passively happening all the time

[dense rapids]

Well she’s being controlled just like Harald

[thick mango]

We don't know that

[dense rapids]

So the same could be for the some of the others

[ruby moat]

I wonder if perhaps Shanks and Loki didnt' actually fight like we think they did\

[thick mango]

Harald had level 2 pact for some time before this moment. He only fully personality changed when imu actively invoked their ability to dominate

[dense rapids]

And Imu used that same ability on Gunko and it changed when she came near Brook

It’s the same thing

[thick mango]

I don't think the gorosei and God knights are being dominated every moment of every day

It's something imu invokes if they act counter to mu's wishes

[torn kite]

OK, never mind what I said before. I guess they’re going to stretch out this flashback a little more than I thought they would definitely at least three chapters left.

[wet condor]

He might struggle for a sec, yeah

I REALLY hope he don't spend too much time struggling to fight him

Like, there's an initial shock and he gets down to business

[thick mango]

I dunno how to reconcile luffys intention to fight shanks one day and all the breadcrumbs that shanks will fight bb

[leaden rivet]

Luffy has a “serious” fight with shanks where they have fun and ton of flashbacks and shit. And that’s the last time Luffy ever sees him alive.

[cosmic hamlet]

"we didn't see the whole thing"

[ancient dune]

It's true

[leaden rivet]

You have to consider luffy’s really stupid

Theres going to be several moments where he thinks that’s actually shanks

[cosmic hamlet]

They have seen enough, he is talking like he can't make out who is wrong

[prisma yacht]

He was actually talking

[dense rapids]

This flashback isn’t ending after Harald dies

I feel it

[leaden rivet]

Like Luffy refers to Hancock and s-snake as the same exact people

[prisma yacht]

Until Luffy interrupts him

[cosmic hamlet]

Ohhhh, i thought he is transfering information through mind

[leaden rivet]

Shamrock will need to do something shanks wouldn’t do in a million years for Luffy to lock in

[prisma yacht]

...

Ok bye

[craggy vapor]

cuz he is stupid

[dense rapids]

Stab a chained Loki and attack Elbaph

[prisma yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-cat-cat-in-front-of-sea-gif-16930437336998530733

[cosmic hamlet]

I was not saying he kept his mouth shut, I'm saying he has seen enough to think loki is innocent

[wet condor]

Probably, yeah

Have Shamrock do something terrible

Kill one of them kids

[prisma yacht]

Oh yeah

I mean

[thick mango]

Loki is innocent of killing harald but that doesn't mean he's not dangerous

[leaden rivet]

Colón if we’re lucky

[cosmic hamlet]

That cat is me

[prisma yacht]

No iz me

[prisma yacht]

according to what I think happens now it makes sense

[cosmic hamlet]

Is he

[thick mango]

As far as we know at this point loki still was a danger when he was rampaging across the seas and got captured by shanks

[prisma yacht]

loki asks them to shut it about what happens in the castle

[cosmic hamlet]

What did he do to you 😭

[thick mango]

The first thing he does when luffy meets him is rant about how he wants to destroy the world

[leaden rivet]

Too long to explain

[cosmic hamlet]

He loves his father i guess

[thick mango]

Shanks didn't capture loki in relation to harald right it was years later

[prisma yacht]

Very dearly

[thick mango]

Unless I'm mistaken

[prisma yacht]

Yeah

8years ig

[thick mango]

Yeah so loki was doing some stuff

I don't think shanks just captured him for fun

And it's not hard to imagine someone who loudly professes to strangers his intention to destroy the world was out doing dangerous reckless things

[cosmic hamlet]

He has AURA

[prisma yacht]

Butter suggested that loki wanted to fight against the wg

Which makes sense

[dense rapids]

Two Piece MC

[mighty shell]

if i was part of the colon pirates i might kill myself

to be clear not because of colon i like him but because of the stupid ass name

we're fighting the exclamation mark pirates next captain

[thick mango]

Yes I think he was being impatient and reckless about it in a way that conflicted with shanks more careful thoughtful long term plan

[cosmic hamlet]

I mean pink beard pirates, brown beard pirates is not that good of a names either

Who has the best crew name and worst crew name?

[mighty shell]

i kinda like the heart pirates it's badass in a cutesy way

[thick mango]

I like that it's kinda spitting in doffys eye

[cosmic hamlet]

Roger is lazy, he could have come up with a cool name than roger pirates

More than 50% crew names are just their captain name 😭

[dense rapids]

Who was I talking to about the d and tiger connection earlier?

[cosmic hamlet]

Thriller bark pirates name is kinda cool

[grand rain]

Did the SH crew even name themselves?

[dense rapids]

Maybe if

Hody Jones = Davy Jones

Fisher Tiger = ??? Tiger (Joy Boy)?

[cosmic hamlet]

No

[cosmic hamlet]

How is hody jones = davy jones

[dense rapids]

Some think Hody Jones is loosely based on the VC Davy jones

And Fisher Tiger fits the Joy Boy/Nika theme

[cosmic hamlet]

I don't think davy jones is racist like hody jones

Or is he?

[rich hornet]

I’m sure Davy is an equal opportunity hater

[shadow vault]

Gaban literally know that ace might be not the one

I also heard some people talk about Shanks visiting foosha village because he wanted to see ace but he literally just chill in there without even trying to find ace

And Shanks even keep coming back to windmill village after luffy eating it (until he decided to leave the place)

[rich hornet]

After Luffy eats the fruit, Shanks is locked in on him. It would be neat to see some interaction with kid Ace though

I know they didn’t actually meet until Ace was a pirate

[shadow vault]

Oda could show us that shanks meet little ace back in that flashback arc (after ace death) but never shown only Time we see ace interact with shanks when he already become a pirate

I think he already joined WB

In that time

I forgot

[rare ivy]

Words of wisdom by Gaban

[rich hornet]

He was still spade I’m pretty sure

[shadow vault]

Yeppp

[blazing mantle]

If the mark can change your personality what if summers is secretly a really nice guy that’s been corrupted

Poor fella

Summers redemption arc soon

[shadow vault]

Its still weird why Shanks didnt want to see his lil bro

In the end he just wanted luffy

[blazing mantle]

Damage control for ace

He’s still goated

[rich hornet]

Sommers was actually worse, Imu is toning him down

[blazing mantle]

Fake news

Imu is making him evil

You can see glimpses of the man he used to be

💔

[rare ivy]

Yeah, but the burden was too high

[shadow vault]

Well they changed personality only if imu controlled them no? Sommer is piece of trash deep down

[blazing mantle]

Imu is controlling him

Trust

[shadow vault]

Man can only hurt female and got sliced by Rayleigh and gaban

[blazing mantle]

This just means Oda failed him

[rich hornet]

Sommers tortures small animals in his free time

[blazing mantle]

Yo chill

He NEVER did allat

[blazing mantle]

No comment

[rare ivy]

Maybe

[blazing mantle]

My favorite summers moment is when Oda made him be afraid of gaban but then during god valley they don’t interact

[rich hornet]

Straight up

[blazing mantle]

Frightened by association with Rayleigh

[rich hornet]

Oda forgot to draw the scene where Whitebeard and Gyaban team up against Garling and Sommers

It’s in the sbs

[shadow vault]

Wait there new SBS?

[shadow vault]

Is it in SBS 113?

[blazing mantle]

I don’t think there’s a new one

There was one like 2 months ago

[unique lagoon]

oda talking to the fans

[shell scroll]

Technically he still could’ve butt he got executed

[mighty shell]

me when i tell my friends we're watching the highest grossing a24 movie but they've been in a coma since 2021

[barren token]

https://tenor.com/view/hereditary-slay-yass-gif-1931778708471234612

[unique lagoon]

also we finally got heralds age? 144?

or was that revealed already

[random hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/queen-never-cry-queen-never-cry-baby-gif-13756904774161979111

[unique lagoon]

and why that sword looks very small for a giant his size

[random hinge]

shanks's sword is fucking HUGE btw

[unique lagoon]

what a funny line made me chuckle a bit

[brittle peak]

Lol, as if we aren’t reading Nepo piece

[dense rapids]

@grand flower lmk if you want your mind blown

[unique lagoon]

also this line killed another theory

wait maybe not

[vital heart]

What theory

I’ll clarify

[lofty fern]

They did if you do the math. The flashback began when Harald was 45 and started 109 years ago

[lofty fern]

The fans: We know, Morgans made the crap up lol

[unique lagoon]

Imu cant convert someone with a DF

but does that mean after or before having a DF

dont think the theory make thought about that yet

theres a lot of good lines in this chap

is that joruls sword?

can he just easy take ragnir

[wet condor]

This panel being cropped out like this is funny

[runic dock]

💀

[unique lagoon]

so what people think of herald wanting ragnir also

[trim lily]

well its more imu than harald

just gives him/his puppet a lot more power

[trim lily]

holy paragraphs

[vital heart]

what do you mean? you completely misread that scene. the narration doesn't coincide with the moment in time of that scene. the narrator points out a fact: that he became king at 45, but this fact is independent of the fact that the scene is taking place 109 years ago. he would've been age 45 113 years ago.

this is something ive been saying for a long long time

[ashen perch]

Did you see Sandman's translation of this?

"The ones everyone expect the most....more often than not, they don't end up ruling the world"

[vital heart]

no one ever believed me

[ashen perch]

[vital heart]

wdym

[ashen perch]

Wdym wdym

Just pointing out that that translation was interesting too

[sly belfry]

Did doom make this

[vital heart]

are you trying to slight sandman or slight TCB

I didnt work on this chapter for us

But I still have a bias

I actually do have 1 thing for the TCB side of thing that I wish we changed before release, if you wanna know what that is

[ashen perch]

No I just think its interesting because its an interesting piece of dialogue where I want to see the various interpretations of it

[vital heart]

Oh ok

[unique lagoon]

sure fair
but why use the hammer also

[trim lily]

i guess this kinda kills my theory that everyone expected shanks to be the nice pirate king following in roger's footsteps

[unique lagoon]

how important is ragnir

[trim lily]

its special apparently

[unique lagoon]

thats what im saying
but how

all i can think of is using the hammer to control the legendary giant crew

[ashen perch]

https://x.com/i/status/2001812243579801796

Danny🍓|Comms full| (@Dannymans66)

Big Mom looks so cute #ONEPIECE1169

X · Dec 19, 2025, 12:30 AM

Wow. Wow. Big Mom. Wow.

Have I said wow

[unique lagoon]

you want me to post the orca gif again?

[ashen perch]

Laww suggested a cool idea, that its meant to be for Nika

[unique lagoon]

ok go on

[ashen perch]

Because lightning will never affect Nika, he could use it as freely as he wants to

[unique lagoon]

but lightning weapons exist already

[ashen perch]

Unleashing it to the max without any danger because Rubber is immune to lightning

[unique lagoon]

right? back in MF

lightning sword guy

[ashen perch]

I mean that guy didn't show anything can be compared to Ragnir

It was a pretty limited usage of lightning

[unique lagoon]

ok sure but herald still wants to use it and loki can use it
you saying both of em are lightning resistant ?

[vital heart]

I actually - up until this very moment - haven't seen the raws for this line. I just checked it out. I'd probably phrase it - without trying to spice it up - like this: "Those who are expected, surprisingly, do not take over the world".

Now, look at this line with the context of the previous few bubbles, it means that individuals with high anticipation of greatness, like Ace, rarely ever succeed.

[ashen perch]

Yes I was trying to point to Blackbeard personally

[vital heart]

Blackbeard has no expectations my guy

He was a nobody

This line is about Ace lol

[ashen perch]

He has everything

[trim lily]

yeah i dont think blackbeard is someone who had high expectations

[vital heart]

?

[vital heart]

Wat

[trim lily]

he came from nowhere and no one expected him to go anywhere

[ashen perch]

He has everything now

[vital heart]

Until literally 2 years ago - when he was a middle aged bum - NO BODY knew who he was. Are you kidding me?

[unique lagoon]

also the summary spoiler lied again ? with the "GE GE GE GE"?

[iron oriole]

Nobody had high expectations for BB, even now its arguable

[trim lily]

yeah

they treated the noise as a laugh

[ashen perch]

Doesn't matter, that was 2 years ago

[unique lagoon]

niceee

[vital heart]

Yep - check my old messages if you want the Meekdown (Meek breakdown)

[unique lagoon]

nah ill take your word for it

[vital heart]

jeez. you didnt want the meekdown

[unique lagoon]

all i need to know if its real or not

[vital heart]

its okay, i couldnt even give it to you. my message is censored because its locked away in #1169-spoilers-2

[ashen perch]

His crew now expects him to take the world, the fans expect him to take the world, the Xebec connection makes it so that people think he just finally will succeed in taking the world

[vital heart]

so I cant even resend it here without arsal

[rapid ridge]

Remember folks, wear a helmet for protection, it saves lives

[trim lily]

true imagine what wouldve happened if jarul didnt have a helmet on

[unique lagoon]

so confirmed now finally
jarul dint lost his memory

[ashen perch]

Harald would have taken it supposedly with Nika, while Loki might not be unleashing it fully

[unique lagoon]

which what ive been saying all this time

[rapid ridge]

Don't even mention it, it's too much

[vital heart]

Yeah, TLDR is that gegegege is just a sfx. likely a sound akin to the hammer humming or 'powering' up. it's used to describe a plethora of sounds among a super wide range. after doing some research last night, it can go towards: frog croaking, hawk mating cries, creepy laughter from kids, insect/gross sounds, coughing, etc. very wide range. it's just pretty gutteral from how I see it and just rhythmic in nature.

[unique lagoon]

ohh i get ya
you saying it IS the nika DF

in the box

[trim lily]

aw dammit theres a decent chance loki mightve told jarul not to tell anyone what happened to preserve his father's legacy

[vital heart]

Can we pin this? It's a very useful message

[trim lily]

brain damage jarul might not be real

[vital heart]

Yeah probably.

[ashen perch]

Yea the fruit is Nika and Ragnir is meant to be like its companion

[vital heart]

what the fuck

[vital heart]

my guy do you not realize how big the chest is

[unique lagoon]

so its an honest mistake you saying

[ashen perch]

All DFs are the same size

[trim lily]

i dont think so

[vital heart]

yes

[ashen perch]

Relatively

[trim lily]

we've just seen them go into human sized fruits

[unique lagoon]

big box = size of DF

[vital heart]

the chest is chest-sized for an ancient giant

[trim lily]

no reason a fruit in elbaf wouldnt transfer into a giant fruit

[vital heart]

u think a puny human sized DF will be in that chest

[unique lagoon]

nah thats wrong

[vital heart]

are you off your marbles

are you losing your rocker

?

[ashen perch]

There's only been human sized DFs, this isn't gonna be massive

[unique lagoon]

it could just be a big box with a small DF

[trim lily]

yeah because we've only been around human sized things

[vital heart]

HOLY SHIT

[barren token]

Hey everyone what did we think of the chapter?

[vital heart]

Did Biblo grow the Nika fruit in the castle?

[unique lagoon]

not sure where u got this and why

[ashen perch]

Ehhh

[vital heart]

Just came to me right now

@unique lagoon

[unique lagoon]

yeah but why

make DF bigger to fit a big box

wut

[vital heart]

because thats the only way arsal's crack idea would work

[trim lily]

also how does loki not eat the nika here

[vital heart]

why the fuck would the nika fruit - a tiny human sized fruit - be in an ancient giant sized chest

[trim lily]

does the hammer beat him into submission

[vital heart]

how would loki pick up a fruit thats probably the size of a dust particle to him?

[vital heart]

Address this elephant, arsal

[unique lagoon]

wait what giants need a big DF to get the DF power?

[trim lily]

no

[iron oriole]

Its definitely not the Nika fruit

Its major cope to say it is

[trim lily]

but i would assume a fruit that gets transferred in elbaf would be transferred to a giant fruit

[unique lagoon]

meek my guy
they are in a giant country
every thing is bigger

[vital heart]

This chest is what's holding the Nika fruit. Human sized chest for human sized fruit. You think thats the same thing thats in the chest that Loki's infront of? The chest that's right next to Ragnir which is fit for an ancient giant sized being?

Is this some babushka?

[vital heart]

?????????

[vital heart]

fruits dont magically get bigger just cuz u get into a giant country

[unique lagoon]

it could be just a big box used by the giants

[vital heart]

so its a babushka chest

[unique lagoon]

with small df inside

[vital heart]

this is the chest that holds the nika fruit

we already know this

for a fact

in chapter 1054

[unique lagoon]

its funnier that way also
open it
and theres a pea size DF inside

[vital heart]

then where does this chest in 1054 come from

that's holding the nika fruit

[unique lagoon]

who knows

CP found it somewhere

[vital heart]

ok so

ok

[unique lagoon]

also check the DF box in GV

[trim lily]

i think we're ignoring the obvious problem that its a different chest

[dense rapids]

Xolotyl carries the Sun God to the Underworld

[vital heart]

THIS CHEST IS ANCIENT GIANT SIZED

[vital heart]

bruh

buggy on it again

with the mythology

oda probably doesnt know half these myths

he's too uncultured

[unique lagoon]

looks like normal box to me for DF boxes

[vital heart]

?

[iron oriole]

We're also ignoring the problem that Loki is supposed to have eaten the DF

[vital heart]

this is the pre-retcon chest

[trim lily]

well in theory

we dont know what happens

[vital heart]

🤓

[unique lagoon]

ok sure but compare it to ELBAF box

[vital heart]

ok

what's your point butter

[iron oriole]

He eats the fruit, thats what happens

[unique lagoon]

we are literally box scaling right now
you realize this right?

[trim lily]

we dont know for sure yet

[dense rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/hand-on-shoulder-akakichi-no-eleven-everything-will-be-ok-my-brother-in-christ-we're-gonna-beat-you-gif-16692013677699419935

[vital heart]

I don't understand how a fruit that kid Luffy ate could be inside that ancient-giant-sized-chest.

[vital heart]

you are not understanding the implication

[iron oriole]

I'd bet my house on it

[vital heart]

if the gomu gomu no mi is in that chest loki is standing in front of . then loki would have to pick up an object probably the size of a literal dust particle

for him

ik size scaling isnt real in OP

but thats not the point

i dont even know what my point is anymore

[unique lagoon]

you better off asking why the DF box was not in the treasure room under the throne

[vital heart]

oh i know whwat my point is - its that the fruit in the chest is not the nika fruit. it's gonna be a giant sized fruit that's totally different from the Nika fruit

[vital heart]

one is just treasure for actual treasure's sake and the other is more meaningful heritage stuff

[vital heart]

gold vs magic

[unique lagoon]

well if you ask me they dint consider it as treasure

or something to be proud of

[vital heart]

it was called elbaf's hidden treasure

nope

[unique lagoon]

mf called it forbidden DF

its a curse

[vital heart]

This is what it was called.

[iron oriole]

Legendary DF of Elbaf

[vital heart]

Elbaf's secret treasure = the legendary devil fruit

[vital heart]

this word was used

[vital heart]

diff word was used, but idk what your point is with forbidden

they used multiple words

[iron oriole]

They cared enough to keep it presumably passed down from king to king

[unique lagoon]

no one wants to eat that thing bud

[vital heart]

that devil fruit has been described as "a secret treasure", a "forbidden devil fruit", and a "legendary devil fruit"

BUT ITS ALSO A SECRET TREASURE

https://jisho.org/word/秘宝

[unique lagoon]

why pass it down but no one eats it
still a mystery

[ruby moat]

why is the hammer saying clank

[unique lagoon]

more like hiding it

[iron oriole]

Well... you might have to get past Ragnir first... majority of Giants probably couldn't even if they wanted to

[vital heart]

idk, the sfx was カタカタ

[ruby moat]

2 powerful.

[vital heart]

it made sense for me

[ruby moat]

no it makes sense that was a good translation

but a hammer is saying it

[vital heart]

its not saying it

its an sfx bubble

sfx bubbles can be circular too!

i think

[iron oriole]

Ragnir is seemingly linked to the fruit at least, whether that be because you need the DF to wield Ragnir or Ragnir only acknowledges that specific user of said DF idk

[unique lagoon]

im also not buying this end the world part
what does that even mean

[ruby moat]

wait u can do different text boxes

oh wait duh there are tons

[unique lagoon]

did that DF cause the darkness in first world?

[ruby moat]

u should do a star text box sometime

[unique lagoon]

world was covered in darkness bit

[dense rapids]

🤣🤣🤣

[iron oriole]

I think its just meant to be Haralds current strength + DF & Ragnir = unstoppable monster

[dense haven]

break next week btw

[vital heart]

yeah says "If you were to eat it, the world will end!! Harald!!" in a literal translation

[dense rapids]

Chapter should still come early

[unique lagoon]

same thing
but what does it really mean
sengoku said the same shit with WBs DF

[dense rapids]

Only way this makes sense is if Joy Boy created the poneglyphs before the Void Century War

[vital heart]

destructive probably, its probably a fruit with abilities like the gura gura or the magma fruit

[dense rapids]

Which he kinda had to since he lost in the end

[unique lagoon]

jarul might be hyping it too much
how powerful this DF is

[vital heart]

how do you type multiple lines in one message without going through the full line

[unique lagoon]

surely it cant just destroy the world

[vital heart]

do you shift+enter?

[ruby moat]

ya

[vital heart]

nah probably just lots of AOE damage with the ability if i had to guess

[dense rapids]

If I had a dollar for every DF that was said to be able to destroy the world

I would have $3

[vital heart]

which 3

magma fruit, gura fruit, ?

[dense rapids]

Nika Gura Loki

[vital heart]

wat

nika ?

Oh

Nika the myth

[blazing depot]

It’s ridiculous not destructive

[iron oriole]

Called a Destroyer

[dense rapids]

The sun god that destroys the world?

[unique lagoon]

i highly doubt any DF can actually destroy the world

[vital heart]

^

[dense rapids]

I mean same

[iron oriole]

Gura 100% could

[ruby moat]

buggy awakened

[unique lagoon]

i mean the gura still has range
WB need to travel multiple days
island to island
and destroy it

[iron oriole]

Constant earthquakes & tsunami's 100% world ending as we know it

[dense rapids]

Buggy fruit has the power to create the world

[vital heart]

btw why didnt neither of the two use haki lol

[barren token]

I liked the chapter personally I know people here hated it

[ruby moat]

ppl hate it?

[unique lagoon]

insert
"oda forgot to add haki visuals" again

[barren token]

Yeah

[iron oriole]

It also depends on what you define as "destroying the world".... like is Aokiji freezing the world & everyone in it classed as destroying it

[vital heart]

who

[barren token]

Arsal

[ruby moat]

name and shame

[vital heart]

No haki here either

[dense haven]

oda didnt forget

[vital heart]

genuinely kinda weird to me

[dense haven]

the jjk editor doesnt allow oda to show haki anymore

[ruby moat]

loki's current(not ragnir) hammer looks kinda silly to me it reminds me of a whack a mole hammer or a carnival hammer

[unique lagoon]

exactly
so its just a powerful DF not actually destroying the world type

its hype words

[iron oriole]

I wouldn't say its hype words

Not when it could back it up

[ruby moat]

actually no its a judge's gavel

[dense rapids]

There is

[vital heart]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-judge-judge-one-piece-vinsmoke-judge-germa-gif-9497045290367920978

[dense rapids]

Think Oda just forgot to draw it

[vital heart]

no haki in this clash

[dense rapids]

Look at the chapter

[vital heart]

this doesnt count, i mean on screen from a clash we see up close

[dense rapids]

Shanks and Gaban since the haki then next page is the clash

[unique lagoon]

if im to make a theory that its actually a world destroying type DF
then its this

[iron oriole]

I've said it before & i'll say it again, Oda just needs to say "if someone can use X haki, they always use it in a fight" that way he only has to draw the initial haki reveal & specific clashes

[dense rapids]

Legit think he forgot to draw the lightning on the clash

Because where else did the haki come from

[dense haven]

people dont trusst oda anymore

[unique lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/cute-adorable-duckling-haha-classic-gif-17283485

[dense haven]

its so sad

[woeful moth]

or they just didn't use it... its the first slash sometimes they just don't

[iron oriole]

Its not a big deal tbh, i just assumed they're using haki anyway

[dense rapids]

Yea

[unique lagoon]

would be funny if oda just adds notes on each clash
*haki was used here

[iron oriole]

The page before literally had a haki clash

[vital heart]

i sense the jjk editor's influence

[unique lagoon]

never red em

[shadow vault]

Probably the first one where Shanks and gaban felt the haki was ofcsreen haki lol

[dense rapids]

Even in 1152 with the haki

We’re shown Harald being stabbed then a panel later is the haki

[shadow vault]

And the second clash was no haki becauss of Harald regainimg Consciousness

[dense rapids]

This chapter clarifies it showing it coming from Harald vs Loki

[unique lagoon]

you guys think imu boosted his haki?

cuz gunko had haki

[shadow vault]

Yeah possible

[dense rapids]

Probably it says his power is boosted

[unique lagoon]

lesgoo haki boosting power

[dense haven]

imu upscale

[unique lagoon]

no CoC?
here u go

its that easy

[shadow vault]

I think that haki lightning was also boosted which made gaban and Shanks felt there something weird going on

[unique lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/todd-howard-it-just-works-bethesda-this-all-just-works-gif-20598651

[vital heart]

yes

[quiet ice]

“What hell is even going on here”

Sounds off

[vital heart]

deep sea covenant boosts strength, haki is implied then imo

[vital heart]

typo, "the" is missing

should be "what the hell"

[quiet ice]

Do you guys have a proofreader?

[vital heart]

Apparently, chapter 1152 has been my most read chapter in 2025, based on the data i pulled from google

[vital heart]

Yeah

Mistake

[unique lagoon]

what happened in 1152 again

[vital heart]

I'm sorry

[iron oriole]

It gives you inhuman strength, why would it boost your haki? The thing thats hard to train etc

[vital heart]

strength = haki

[vital heart]

Flashback began

[quiet ice]

No it wasn’t a jab I was gonna offer to read it for you guys so I can get it early

[unique lagoon]

cuz gunko did a haki blast

[lilac pilot]

haki=strenght

[iron oriole]

So?

That means Imu gave Gunko haki?

[unique lagoon]

yep

[iron oriole]

[vital heart]

beginning of flashback

[unique lagoon]

that be amazing tho if gunko has that much CoC haki

[vital heart]

its when we got this montage which happened in 1169 basically

[iron oriole]

Or its just while Imu is doing the possession they can use their own haki

[unique lagoon]

to be clear im against haki sharing powers
but here we are

[vital heart]

wow, this chapter was really just this 1 page but in more detail. thats kinda crazy

[shadow vault]

Probably imu lending the COC haki

[vital heart]

the dichotomy is crazy

[lilac pilot]

i thought this happen in 1667

[unique lagoon]

sure i can cope with this
a bit of hope haki sharing not existing

[vital heart]

also - before anyone asks, im sorry that i just post the jp panels

[lilac pilot]

[vital heart]

I cant find any sites to read OP in english because the one i used to use got shut down. I have a site with all the raws though, so I'm just gonna use that one solely from now on going forward.

[unique lagoon]

im already at the point thinking Imus power is just that ridiculous

[vital heart]

or...

[lilac pilot]

damn

[unique lagoon]

i was thinking this already back with gunko

[formal wagon]

what if instead of contracts imu had um

friends

[vital heart]

that's what luffy is basically

[unique lagoon]

i think the power will get more buff soon

i swear if the power gives random ass DF powers

[formal wagon]

wow luffy is kind of evil if you think about it that way

he's manipulating his crew with frienship

[vital heart]

butter, i had a convo about the abyssal contracts earlier today because rn theyre the least understood contract as of rn. were you there ?

[unique lagoon]

nope

difference in contract?

[vital heart]

we were listing the # of abilities you get from abyssal contract and from a pure numbers perspective, you get more abilities from the deep sea contract. do you think this is fine?

[unique lagoon]

can we just call them tier A B and C

[vital heart]

From abyssal, you get 3:

• Yokai Form
• Age Freeze/Eternal Youth
• More power boost
• ???

[dense rapids]

Ope Ope - Ultimate Devil Fruit
Gomu Gomu - Ridiculous Devil Fruit
Elbaph Fruit - Legendary Devil Fruit
Imu Fruit - Absolute Devil Fruit

[vital heart]

From deep sea, you get:

• Immortality
• Power boost
• Create and travel through abyss pentagrams
• Regeneration

[vital heart]

genuinely feels like even though the abyssal should be the strongest one that it doesnt give you more abilities than the previous tier

[iron oriole]

Immortality is their regen btw

[unique lagoon]

the part where it gets confusing is
splitting up
immortality
regeneration and youth

[iron oriole]

Also its not like Abyssal gets less

[formal wagon]

wait is it still called deep deep sea contract or did viz epic fail?

[iron oriole]

Its gets all the above

[shadow vault]

Immortality should be categorized as where they cannot die and cannot age I think

[unique lagoon]

just remove immortality
split it into regeneration and not aging

[vital heart]

no its not. garling was a holy knight up until like about a week ago in story. he just became a gorosei. this means that holy knights get immortality so they can't die but they still age physically. but gorosei have been having the same physical appearance for hundreds of years (see saturn 200 years ago). this means eternal youth/age freeze is a phenotype thing

[dense rapids]

It says that in the Japanese

Deep Deep Sea = White White Sea

[formal wagon]

i know i know I want it to be deep deep sea

[vital heart]

Deep deep sea contract is more faithful to the OG japanese. Abyssal is a creative liberty taken by Viz that sounds better to most readers.

[shadow vault]

Deep deep Sea is Abysall which is the elder pact rn

[unique lagoon]

is immortality just regeneration?

[dense rapids]

White Sea

White White Sea

God Land

[formal wagon]

oh okay so they did change it

[vital heart]

yeah i guess so

[shadow vault]

Deep sea was the HK and God hand was Shallow pact

[iron oriole]

Regen is just Pseudo Immortality, you can still age & die of old age but any mortal wound won't kill you, the only way to avoid that imo is the Eternal Youth surgery from the Ope Ope

[dense rapids]

Deep Sea

Deep Deep Sea

The Abyss

[unique lagoon]

man i would just say not aging and regeneration
seperate buffs

[vital heart]

This is the word used for 'immortality' btw

[vital heart]

@iron oriole @unique lagoon

[shadow vault]

If its by dictionary in google it was this the ability to live forever; eternal life.

[unique lagoon]

sure but that aint really making it clear to talk about

[vital heart]

This is a different word my guy

[unique lagoon]

just split up the buff
and give gorosei both of em

[iron oriole]

Yet we know they're vulnerable

[unique lagoon]

thats how ill be using them now

[shadow vault]

Well that was from google dictionary about the immortality mean

[unique lagoon]

get the confusion out

[dense rapids]

How would everyone react if Imu just has a devil fruit

[vital heart]

ok well

there are 3 cases:

[unique lagoon]

that makes it more simple to talk about

imu just has a crazy DF sure why not

[iron oriole]

I've been on this side for ages

Regen for mortal wounds (arm cut off etc) can still age, acts as a pseudo immortality

Ope Ope's Eternal Youth surgery to become ageless

[dense rapids]

I think half will be mad because they know what that means

[shadow vault]

If imu have devil fruit her devil fruit literally cant be categorized as zoan, paramecia or logia I think

Imu literally have all of that

[dense rapids]

I mean it can be a Zoan

[woven heron]

@wet heron i mean holy peak

Drip is real

[shadow vault]

Zoan with paramecia or logia power

[dense rapids]

Sugar DF is a paramecia and it does all of that

Eternal youth
Contract
Transformations
Etc

[shadow vault]

Yeah but imu literally almost have all that type I think

[dense rapids]

So I don’t see why people think it’s far fetched Imu has a DF

[unique lagoon]

we talk about it before
doffys goal is just a discount version of Imu

[dense rapids]

We have two known fruits that give a form of immortality

[shadow vault]

Ope ope no mi

[dense rapids]

So a third one wouldn’t be crazy

[vital heart]

When Holy Knights talk about Immortality, it's using the word 不死身 - this literally means (Not Dead Body / pronounced as fujimi).

When Law uses his eternal youth surgery, its using the word 不老 - this means (Not Old / pronounced as furou)

When Blackbeard asked Law to make him immortal, its using the word 不老不死 - this means (Not Old Not Dead / pronounced furou fushi)

@unique lagoon

[shadow vault]

I think ope ope was the one give the Eternal life by doffy statemen

[dense rapids]

Yea ope ope gives eternal youth

[shadow vault]

Knowing the user died before law probably someone used it

[dense rapids]

And sugar DF makes the user eternally youth

[unique lagoon]

meek im just saying
use regen and not aging seprate so its clear in convos

[vital heart]

oh ok

good to know

[iron oriole]

WG be attempting to buy the Ope Ope for 5b for a reason... 2b more than the current users bounty

[shadow vault]

But sugar still aging

She has child face and body but actually an adult

[dense rapids]

She doesn’t age

[iron oriole]

I think this was to do the surgery on Garling btw

[dense rapids]

Imu could just have the Sea Devil Myth Zoan

[unique lagoon]

so what did IVa red in the book about not aging?
is that just the HKs?

[vital heart]

wdym?

[iron oriole]

Iva was talking about the Ope Ope

[shadow vault]

I mean her age number still increase but not physical

[unique lagoon]

ignore the red circle

now the book is called genesis also

is that implying something? whoknows

[vital heart]

Bad translation. the word used here is 不老/furou - furou means "not old" ie not aging.

[dense rapids]

The immortality surgery was done on Imu maybe

[vital heart]

Refer to this

[shadow vault]

Is this VIZ translation

[vital heart]

yes

[unique lagoon]

dunno its an old screenshot

[vital heart]

Key point is that idk why they said everlasting life when that adds confusing

confusion

its the same word used in eternal youth surgery

[unique lagoon]

true old theory says the DF was used on imu

but imu can also give that buff now

[shadow vault]

Maybe the meaning was actually EverLasting/Eternal?

[vital heart]

This is what that word means

[iron oriole]

Ehh everlasting/eternal are interchangeable tbh

[unique lagoon]

so its a chicken and the egg argument then

who gave everlastin youth first
the DF or imu

[vital heart]

Yes its interchangeable, but when its such an important word in the STORY - you need to be consistent with previous words in past instances where its been used.

[iron oriole]

Idt Imu gives out eternal youth

[lofty fern]

Sure meek

[shadow vault]

Seem the user of Ope ope died before law probably used by the WG before since the WG wanted to buy it from doffy

[unique lagoon]

wut? i thought gorosei cant age anymore
also gunko

[iron oriole]

All the Ope Ope, trust me

[unique lagoon]

cmon now

[iron oriole]

Imu has had 800 years to cultivate doctors to use for the surgery

[dense rapids]

I don’t think the ope ope was used 5 times

[unique lagoon]

you telling me imu wil capture law
and force him to use the DF on Garling?

[dense rapids]

I think Garling is also immortal like the other Gorosei now

[shadow vault]

To be able to use the Eternal youth you need to awaken too yes?

[dense rapids]

And law has the fruit currently so

[iron oriole]

Probably not but i do think them trying to buy the Ope Ope for 5b was to give the Eternal Youth to Garling

[dense rapids]

I think Imu can simply share their power

[unique lagoon]

im not really sure how serious you are
but they had law as a warlord for some time

[iron oriole]

We don't know

[iron oriole]

Deadly serious

[shadow vault]

Yeah possible probably because of the buff and imu originall immortality came from ope ope

[iron oriole]

I've been on this side since idk when

Ope Ope is the only way for Eternal Youth imo & theres no "sharing it" from 1 source

[unique lagoon]

ok now BB is a discount version of Imu
imu has wayy more DF power than him

[dense rapids]

I mean in the recent chapters it says the knights form a connection with Imu

Their power could just be siphoning from something Imu has

[shadow vault]

One fruit with multiple ability its possible too

Luffy sun god can be like that

Maybe

[unique lagoon]

i really dont mind the whole multiple characters wanting to be like imu
but cant really reach that potential

[shadow vault]

And bonney can buff someone with alternate future (if its possible)

[dense rapids]

I think if you sever the abyss connection or defeat Imu all of them lose their abilities

[unique lagoon]

im still debating if removing the pentagram does anything

[shadow vault]

If Shanks hand gone can make the connection go away then its possible

[unique lagoon]

to their powers i mean

[dense rapids]

That’s the thing

[shadow vault]

Cutting the hand that has the pact

[woeful moth]

they don't even have the same power set

[dense rapids]

Is shanks connection actually gone?

We’ve never seen him near Imu to know

[cold steppe]

I think it is

[unique lagoon]

thats not the point

[dense rapids]

We just know the arm with the tattoo is gone

The connection could be on a deeper level

[iron oriole]

Would be interesting if it was actually Shanks who met with the Gorosei

[cold steppe]

It was

[dense rapids]

Is it that easy where you simply remove the limb the abyss mark is on?

[cold steppe]

But I don't believe in it in the meme way

[iron oriole]

At the Shallows tier maybe

Impossible at Depths+

[cold steppe]

I think it was shanks. And they learned about blackbeard lineage from him

[unique lagoon]

does haki blast remove the tat?

surely not

[dense rapids]

We will know for sure ext time shanks is near Imu

[iron oriole]

No

Otherwise how could HKs effectively use their own

[shadow vault]

Shanks was smiling when he lose his hand maybe he know whats up lol

[unique lagoon]

also the most powerful haki in the verse dint really remove gorosei contract

[iron oriole]

Could be that you can break the mark though by focusing haki precisely on it

[dense rapids]

If shanks knew the mark could cause him to be controlled why didn’t he just remove it when he left?

[unique lagoon]

ngl i kinda pref the contract being permament

[dense rapids]

He had it for 3 more years

I think the mark is deeper than cut the arm off and it’s gone

[shadow vault]

You mean like he should cut his hand off?

[dense rapids]

I mean yea if that severed the connection

Why keep it and risk being controlled?

He saw what happened to Harald

[unique lagoon]

imu is stupid then
why not put the tat on their heads

[cold steppe]

It's not an easy decision or idea to cut your arm

[shadow vault]

Hmmm the only thing i have in mind probably he tried to find a way to severe the Contract without risking to lose a limb

[dense rapids]

I think Shanks is still connected

[unique lagoon]

also can imu read memories?

[woeful moth]

I think the power of a Sea King can break it... there's something with sea kings that deems them being able to destroy the world anyway

[iron oriole]

I dont like the idea these days that people push for Shanks giving up his arm to remove the mark rather than giving it up for Luffy

[unique lagoon]

does imu just store all their memories

[iron oriole]

No

Saturn hid Emet

[dense rapids]

Imu hasn’t done anything to suggest he can read memories

[unique lagoon]

right

[woeful moth]

that's why Lord of the Coast broke shanks' connection

[unique lagoon]

and imu was convinced rocks family died

[dense rapids]

He can see through their eyes though to view current stuf

[shadow vault]

Well Shanks could be intentionally do it in order to buff morale luffy ig

[unique lagoon]

classic manipulative shanks

[shadow vault]

And severe the contract by losing the hand

[iron oriole]

It takes away from the moment when people say "he did it to remove the mark"

[dense rapids]

We gonna watch Shanks go near Imu in the final war and just turn into Harald 2.0

[cold steppe]

I'd like to think there are consequences to removing the mark. But he's betting on luffy to save the world. So the consequences might not happen if Imu is defeated

Cheesy but that's the only connection I can see

[unique lagoon]

i mean shanks still being connected just adds to him not the one talking to gorosei

[iron oriole]

Ngl he probably is still connected & if he survives BB, this is how we get Shanks vs Luffy

[shadow vault]

Oo this is true its support more its shamrock but i think everyone already know unless they keep being denial

[dense rapids]

He left the holy land so he wouldn’t be manipulated

[unique lagoon]

im pretty sure theres still multiple people here saying it was shanks

[cold steppe]

I think he had some kind of goal in the holy land. Since he already had his crew at that point

[iron oriole]

With what we know now, it would be a major risk for Shanks to be the one to meet the Gorosei but at the same time the conversation seemed odd to have with a HK if it was Shamrock

[unique lagoon]

true shanks still dint reveal why he infiltrated

i blame roger

child of destiny bullcrap

[iron oriole]

Destined to die to BB

[shadow vault]

Nahhh

[iron oriole]

BB is cooking the rat

[unique lagoon]

i saw people saying Destined to be always late

pretty funny tho

late to save ace
late to stop luffy eating the DF
late to save herald

[iron oriole]

A Wano meme in big 2025?

[cold steppe]

I like that roger ego so high he thought the chosen ones has to be his blood and a child from his crew

[stone tulip]

This is less about Luffy’s final opponent and more like who is gonna inherit Joyboy’s will, it’s like that one transformers movie where being pirate king isn’t something that hereditary thing and just because Ace is Roger’s son doesn’t mean he has the right to inherit his place.

This is also something set up Blackbeard inevitable downfall and it’s exact reason why Whitebeard specifically said that Blackbeard isn’t someone Roger is waiting for, and that someone is the person who is most free and has the least burden (aka Luffy).

I don’t think that’s the Nika dance.

[dense rapids]

Shanks also doesn’t seem to know how to sever the connection

So you’re telling me in 3 years he figured out if he removed his arm the connection would be gone?

[subtle meteor]

Only works for a shallow covenant though

[unique lagoon]

heres the funny thing
gunko snapped out of it for a second

[iron oriole]

Well he knows that Harald must have the Depths contract or higher & become a true HK, its a different contract to his

[unique lagoon]

[dense rapids]

Willpower?

[unique lagoon]

who knows

[dense rapids]

Harald snapped out of it too this chapter

It was going back n forth

[unique lagoon]

but gunko is the ray of hope it can be removed

[stone tulip]

I mean if the connection isn’t severed then it makes more likely that it was Shamrock who met the Gorosei and keep in mind the holy knight were absent at the reverie so that checks out.

[unique lagoon]

gunko dint even remove the tat

she just removed it for some reason

[dense rapids]

Imo this chapter is setting up Shanks still being bound

It was the cost of him finding stuff out in the holy land

The arm could just be a red herring

Pun intended

[stone tulip]

That is if the theory is true which is 50/50

[unique lagoon]

so we dont really know the real personalities of the HKs

[dense rapids]

Idk

[woeful moth]

tbh he never tried to be near the holy land ever again... so he really doesn't know if it severed his tie or not

[dense rapids]

I can’t tell yet who else could be being controlled

[subtle meteor]

I think most of them are really like that

[dense rapids]

That’s what I’m saying

[unique lagoon]

you could argue sommers was always sadistic

[cold steppe]

Clearly gunko

Well I hope

[subtle meteor]

Sommers is definitely who he is

[dense rapids]

Imu goes near Shanks and it’s gg

[stone tulip]

This is deadass transformers type of shit ngl lmao.

[iron oriole]

Killingham maybe, just going off what the Kirin represents

[dense rapids]

Killingham also doesn’t really act like a CD

Until Imu arrives

[stone tulip]

Cause at least 2 movies (the 86 movie and the latest movie which is tfone) talked about that topic lol.

[dense rapids]

It’s like he’s just following orders then he turns into a maniac

[unique lagoon]

ive said it before
this aint just some random throway joke

[dense rapids]

His son Buggy

[iron oriole]

He also has the white clouds, which could just be design choice by Oda but

[stone tulip]

Who knows who Roger was talking about right now at this point lol

[hot helm]

this chapter was umagingly insane

[dense rapids]

Read every Killingham chapter until Imu comes

I swear he’s a different person

[iron oriole]

He definitely switches up

[hot helm]

is it possibile to reread the entirety of onepiece during break week?

[unique lagoon]

shanks im going to make a kid
you need to find the gomu/nika DF
and feed it to him when he gets older

you are child of destiny now

[dense rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/hand-on-shoulder-akakichi-no-eleven-everything-will-be-ok-my-brother-in-christ-we're-gonna-beat-you-gif-16692013677699419935

[hot helm]

roger made a ginger joke