also-manga

[pine scaffold]

Thoughts?

[pulsar path]

Join us bluko

[dense rapids]

Greatness always prevails

[trim lily]

he will continue imu’s legacy

[woven talon]

might take an hour or two to upload tho

[prisma idol]

HELL NO

[warm thunder]

now idk how gunko will be saved, if this happened to harald

[frigid gulch]

Pretty accurate

[pulsar path]

Aww come on!

He's great

Better than bb 😶‍🌫️

[pine scaffold]

Davy D. Jones is gonna do some insane shit

I bet

[prisma yacht]

Me when I lie

[final trench]

Niggas mad they fell for the world government propaganda

[frigid gulch]

Rocks will never ditch that coat cape

[trim lily]

xebec wishes he had even a sliver of the same whimsy blackbeard does

[final trench]

Yall showed ya true colors

[prisma yacht]

[olive sigil]

Because someone has to

[prisma idol]

I've stated I dont enjoy rocks character as he took away time I would have rather spent on other parts of the flashback, and I dont find him interesting.

Same with BB i dont find this whole family line interesting in the slightest

[trim lily]

also hatsune zhi was not what i expected

[dense rapids]

At a time where I was feeling lost Davy D. Xebec saved me

My Glorious King

[dense rapids]

[frigid gulch]

The cape looks pitch black here

[pine scaffold]

Oda cant stop drawing Rocks lol

he loves him

[frigid gulch]

Unless it’s a different one

[dense rapids]

Ngl I don’t mind either color

[pulsar path]

That's very interesting. I never liked BB but I really enjoy Rocks

[dense rapids]

Maybe he did the navy blue to match the suit

[frigid gulch]

Or it’s that “so black that it’s blue” gimmick

[dense haven]

rocks blue goatee kinda confirms he's fully blue haired and the white part is just ageing

[prisma yacht]

Bb literally drives the op plot how can you not find him interesting

[dense rapids]

I can’t tell if it’s green hair

[prisma idol]

The WG isn't in the wrong. THE GREAT KING HARALD is just trying to look after his country and get them under the Great Imu's wing. And those filthy rebellious soldiers led by Jarul, The demon son loki and two filthy pirates are getting in the way.

[pine scaffold]

hes the final villain as well

[frigid gulch]

Idk

[pulsar path]

Strong world vibes I love it

[frigid gulch]

Rocks started greying early ?

[dense rapids]

This

I think it’s like Gaban during this chapter

[frigid gulch]

[trim lily]

its like teal/aquamarine

[frozen aspen]

begging oda yo learn how to draw characters with dark skin

[dense rapids]

Or he was already old

[frigid gulch]

How old though

[frozen aspen]

💔

[prisma idol]

I just dont, Ive stated my reasons before

[frigid gulch]

Especially 56 years ago

[urban lodge]

I've been slowly losing interest in BB and Rocks most definitely didn't help

[dense rapids]

I guess mid to late 30s when he meets Imu 56 years ago maybe older

[dense rapids]

Me when I lie

[frigid gulch]

Ye but his hair is white then too

Unless you believe it’s different

[prisma idol]

Penny is the one person this doesn't work with lmfaoooo

[trim lily]

rocks hasnt affected my enjoyment of BB yet, but if blackbeard is just trying to copy his dad ill be pretty dissapointed

[frigid gulch]

Nothing to back that up rn tho

[tawny panther]

i’ve been gaining more and more interest in BB since this flashback

[final trench]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-blackbeard-haki-evil-laugh-one-piece-blackbeard-haki-gif-8010676475224775922

[trim lily]

also new one piece academy chapter

[dense rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/elbaph-rocks-rocks-one-piece-rocks-d-xebec-xebec-gif-7921250111547198384

[final trench]

#nextarc 🤫

[scenic dirge]

Oh shit chapter out

[pine scaffold]

Btw anything Shanks does in these next few chapters, is an automatic BB upscale due to him scarring that version of Shanks

[scenic dirge]

Btw anything Shanks does in these next few chapters, is an automatic BB upscale due to him scarring that version of Shanks

[prisma idol]

Honestly am surprised this series is still going

[dense rapids]

Rocks saved One Piece

[prisma yacht]

RAHHHHH

[frigid gulch]

Someone has to make a new gif

[trim lily]

at this point i expect it to go as long as the main series

[tawny panther]

he was always a goated villain who had nice parallels with Luffy but the Davy Clan stuff made Teach even more interesting

[prisma idol]

Evan since when were you SB?

[blazing depot]

I think Rocks improves Blackbeard’s character motiviations. It’s also a good contrast cuz unlike his father Teach basically has no honor

[prisma idol]

5000 chapters of OP academy

[scenic dirge]

I like to think there’s a little SB in all of us

[trim lily]

seeing nami and carina together just makes me think of that one film gold gif

[blazing depot]

Teach has no lines he won’t cross

[frigid gulch]

All roads lead to fox upscale

[blazing depot]

https://tenor.com/view/carina-nami-one-piece-film-gold-kiss-gif-2297595186861239553

[prisma yacht]

W

[prisma idol]

https://tenor.com/view/carina-nami-one-piece-film-gold-kiss-gif-2297595186861239553

[trim lily]

hand on the trigger god damn

[pulsar path]

Wtf if that from

[dense rapids]

[blazing depot]

Film Gold

[prisma idol]

Its fan made

[trim lily]

film gold

[blazing depot]

It’s 100% canon btw

[pulsar path]

Smh

[scenic dirge]

https://tenor.com/view/jingol-virtuous-indie-black-white-monochrome-gif-13091813729817290979

[tawny panther]

yep and i feel like part of the reason is cause he knows how his father failed and is taking a different route

[tawny panther]

which is why he’ll get further than his pops Rocks ever did

[pulsar path]

G**ners going to goon I guess

[prisma idol]

Thats not.... gooner....

[charred flower]

Ethan and Peter were once the respective Shogun of Wano and King of Germa, that were turned into IMUs Knights in the same way as Harald

[pulsar path]

Lmao we don't see the next scene !

[scenic dirge]

Very auraful color spread

Me likey

[pulsar path]

Who knows where this goes!

[trim lily]

auraful is an awesome adjective

[dense rapids]

We need a color spread of all the D Clan

[prisma idol]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-luffy-monkeyd-d-luffy-head-down-bow-down-gif-12132743

[prisma yacht]

Prolly eos

[scenic dirge]

Thanks

[tawny panther]

how many is it ? lol like 10 ?

[warm thunder]

when the D is revealed

[dense rapids]

Too much aura on one page

[scenic dirge]

Why does Ganzui have red hair lol? Where tf did that come from Oda

[pine scaffold]

Figarland Ganzui

[scenic dirge]

Real

[blazing depot]

I miss lavender hair John

[rapid ridge]

"my helmet saved me"

[blazing depot]

Light yellow does not fit

[stone terrace]

1000 more kidd theories

[pulsar path]

I love this part so much

[rapid ridge]

Goddamit oda

[pine scaffold]

wait what if Ganzui and John had a baby

[trim lily]

genuinely how is jarul alive

[rapid ridge]

[scenic dirge]

His helmet saved him

Did you not read it?

[prisma idol]

[pulsar path]

His helmet protected him!

[rapid ridge]

His helmet saved him

[trim lily]

im a speedreader

[dense rapids]

Xebec and his right hand

AuraBros

[pulsar path]

It's a joke regardless lmaoo

[trim lily]

im glad brain damage jarul won over traitor jarul

[tawny panther]

Luffy
Teach
Rocks
Garp
Dragon
Clover
Law
Saul
Lily
Vivi
Cobra
Rouge

that’s a lot of D clan members for a color spread lol

[dense rapids]

That’s only 12

[prisma idol]

Why does Strussen look like fucking humpty dumpty from the puss in boots movies

[brittle basin]

yeah the joke is that Jarul should be dead, the sword clearly went through his head.

[dense rapids]

This color spread was 13

[muted hedge]

and there's probably more to come

[prisma idol]

https://tenor.com/view/humpty-dumpty-puss-in-boots-egg-dancing-smiling-gif-16782417847836516183

[blazing depot]

When you die please donate your brain to science to be studied

[tawny panther]

Davy Clan , Clover brother , Law sister

[pine scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/puss-in-boots-i-was-always-there-humpty-dumpty-alexander-puss-gif-27400177

[pine scaffold]

I was always there...

[scenic dirge]

Yo Gaban a fucking HATER 😭

[trim lily]

where did his neck go

[pulsar path]

This is such a good gag

[cunning narwhal]

We better see that legendary devil fruit next chapter, its been long enough 😭

[rapid ridge]

[blazing depot]

Groomed Big Mom btw

[dense rapids]

Irrelevant

[trim lily]

he HATES ace

no wonder he didnt try to help

[prisma idol]

Now how tf did Jarul lose his memories

He clearly still is conscious

[blazing depot]

8 year old Ace like what he say fuck me for

[rapid ridge]

I've no idea, the helmet protected him afterall

[pulsar path]

Yeah the top thing I didn't like but he's also not wrong exactly where ace wanted his own way not his father's ?

[dense rapids]

Gaban future sight

[prisma yacht]

He is lying so the ppl don't question him

[pine ridge]

saying this after calling shanks a child of destiny

[prisma yacht]

[pine scaffold]

how do yall feel about the retcon of the castle incident btw?

[trim lily]

what beef does kaido have with barbell

[blazing depot]

What retcon??

[muted hedge]

it wasn't a retcon

[brittle basin]

Retcon?

[blazing depot]

Wait this is ragebait

[dense rapids]

I think that’s wang Zhi hand

[pine scaffold]

Gaban and Shanks being there is a retcon, Gaban said he didnt see the whole thing when he did

[tranquil blade]

That's not Kaido's hand

[trim lily]

oh it is wang zhi

[blazing depot]

Wang Zhi is flipping off. That dude hates everyone

[prisma yacht]

Yeahh

[tranquil blade]

That's Wang Zhi having an aura moment

[trim lily]

thats less funny

[muted hedge]

yeah they didn't see all of it, since they came late

[blazing depot]

They arrived after Harald got stabbed and they don’t know he’s being controlled

[tawny panther]

Gaban saw this man Loki trying to escape his imprisonment and did nothing lol

[prisma yacht]

I was surprised wang zhi made it in the cover

Fuck him

[pine scaffold]

no Shanks told Gaban how the control works and Shanks knows hes being controlled

[brittle basin]

they arrived late? or he could just be lying by omission.

[trim lily]

hey hes an iconic member of the crew

[prisma yacht]

🥀

[brittle basin]

post the panel Sb where Gaban original said this

[trim lily]

the cover makes me sad we'll never see them together again

[pine scaffold]

Shanks knows hes being controlled

[urban lodge]

Wang Zhi is the only redeeming thing about the color spread

[dense haven]

gaban hates loki

[muted hedge]

probably will in a Roger flashback

[charred flower]

The treasure is the Goro Goro no mi, that ended up in the sky island above Elbaf, Enel found it and started destroying Birka

[dense rapids]

Isn’t it weird

Why would Gunko need to be controlled the same as Harald?

[prisma idol]

SB i dont think you know what a retcon is

[prisma yacht]

Also wb was so uncomfortable with stussy 😭

[muted hedge]

what do you mean?

[charred flower]

And Loki didn't eat the DF, he's just acting like it does because he wants the ppl of Elbaf to remember his father as a good king

[trim lily]

shes just a silly billy

[pine scaffold]

they had the whole story

[prisma yacht]

😭😭

[tawny panther]

giants at the beginning of Elbaf :

“not too long ago , Loki tried to escape and it took all the giants of elbaf coming together to stop him “

Gaban :

[dense haven]

sexual harassment isnt funny yall

[muted hedge]

he says that it's possible they didn't have the whole story

which indicates that they came late

[woven talon]

@lofty fern https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1443541110126415883/1451315972928569506/07.png?ex=6945bad4&is=69446954&hm=44d5b8e61346c2454cf9b4d9a10105e5a4807eee5e91172bca80893275c847f6&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=719&height=1050

clarified version

[prisma yacht]

There's more to come
He has a reason to lie here I'm pretty sure

[frigid gulch]

Does this mean the Abyssal pact is what allows Imu to take over someone ?

[runic dock]

It’s not from vp , he didn’t go there when kaido was there

[trim lily]

actually yeah it seems pretty clear cut what happened

[vernal ravine]

yeah oda is gonna retcon something he did 15 chapters ago be serious man flashback isn't even finished

[trim lily]

did gaban just not tell anyone the truth for fun

[pine scaffold]

Gaban and Shanks BOTH know Harald is mind controlled

[brittle basin]

He probably didn't have the whole story. it's possibly related to arriving late and not seeing every detail.

[scenic dirge]

Loki's gonna be absolutely batshit powerful lol

[runic dock]

Regardless you’re pigeonholing yourself thinking it’s supposed to be strictly tied to vp , nothing implies it can’t before accidentally by others

[dense haven]

gaban also didnt tell luffy how to counter regen

[tawny panther]

yeah it’s kind of confusing now

[pine scaffold]

Dude they did have the whole story, harald being controlled is the whole story LOL

[brittle basin]

Gaban just told him it's conqueror's though right?

[trim lily]

along those lines

[dense haven]

sb is right thid time

[dense rapids]

Ganzui always eating those grapes

[prisma idol]

There is a lot of things that arent making sense memory wise, Why didnt anyone who survived, Gaban, Shanks or Jarul say anything. I'm betting on some weird memory manipulation.

Not really but its not impossible

[muted hedge]

they don't know that Harald is being controlled tho

[tawny panther]

he told him watch how he uses his conquerors haki .. as if someone as dumb as luffy is gonna understand that lol he’ll just learn as he goes

[muted hedge]

that's why Loki is confused at the conflicting orders from his father

[dense rapids]

I think Shanks does

[pine scaffold]

Shanks literally says right at the end about it

[urban lodge]

Shanks does

[frigid gulch]

He might not be saying the whole truth there

[brittle basin]

Loki isn't sure. Shanks knows.

[clever idol]

Ragnir seems to be tied to rhe fruit. I wonder why

[tawny panther]

and Gaban should know too based off what Shanks told him before they came

[pine scaffold]

its a retcon, accept it

[frigid gulch]

Especially if Loki took on the blame

[ashen perch]

eh, I mean I can see why Imu can do it because he is Imu but otherwise, its probably a VP thing

[brittle basin]

and again it's also possible Gaban is lying to protect Harald's image

[muted hedge]

it's not a retcon

[trim lily]

with the guards I think everyone who was inside died, but gaban and shanks is a mystery. Im confident jarul just got brain damage lol

[dense haven]

sb won

[frigid gulch]

Wait for it to play out

[stone terrace]

Sb has a point

[frigid gulch]

Before saying it’s a retcon

lol

[stone terrace]

If gaban is lying hes being a cunt

[dense haven]

sbbros....

[rapid ridge]

Quite frank

[muted hedge]

if Gaban is lying, there's probably a reason to it

[brittle basin]

Sb didn't win, the commentor from r/piratefolk he got it from won.

[prisma yacht]

Let the whole incident end before calling it a retcon

[prisma idol]

Its actually Loki's DF power, a memory wipe that clears the orders from Imu from Harald's head but also removes memories from those nearby

[muted hedge]

i wouldn't be surprised if Loki shoulders this on himself as he himself stated that he doesn't care about what people think about him

[pine scaffold]

theres nothing else which happens here, we know Loki is the one who kills Harald

[tawny panther]

not only did Gaban & Shnaks allow Loki to stay locked up for Harald death , they also let Roger son get killed without showing up .. at least Ace brothers Luffy & Buggy showed up lol

[muted hedge]

he doesn't want to blame his father, is my belief

[trim lily]

the memory wiping frog...

[ashen perch]

I think Gaban and Shanks wanted to save Harald and they have no clue that he is ready to die already and asked Loki to kill him, they will be surprised when Loki does that

[prisma idol]

True

[digital spear]

really cool chapter

[rapid ridge]

Wait when the abyss thingy was activated in the castle, was loki's reaction a "oh shit here we go again" or was it more "oh heck, what is that?!"

In now time

[trim lily]

he didnt know i think

[scenic dirge]

Oda please I beg. Just reveal the fruit next chapter

Please

I know you won't

but I'm begging

[muted hedge]

i don't think that he knew about it beforehand

[tawny panther]

that doesn’t make much sense though when since they see Harald slaughtering guards and his guards are also fighting to kill lol

[prisma idol]

It feels odd that Imu didnt use the pentagram in the center of the castle

[rapid ridge]

I mean if he recognized the haki or smth

[hot cairn]

I hope he doesn’t leave it for the present man…

[trim lily]

it does beg the question of why did the knights wait so long to come back

[olive sigil]

Hi Hildi

[hot cairn]

I’m on my knees

[scenic dirge]

He very well could lol. Maybe tease it here then cut back 😭

[ashen perch]

Jarul had memory loss, Gaban and Shanks were pissed cause they think Loki killed him "in cold blood" when there could have been other options

[muted hedge]

i don't think Loki would recognize it, given he has spent most of his life on Elbaph... at most he'd recognize his fathers haki

[cunning narwhal]

Its been more than a year at this point 😭

[rapid ridge]

Hyea Juan!

[pine scaffold]

its crazy how it turns out Loki was the good guy and Gaban/Shanks framed him for no reason

😭

what do they even benefit from lying

WHAT IS GOING ON

[digital spear]

okay so whats thedeal with the hammers?

[muted hedge]

i think that Loki wants the blame put on him

[runic dock]

Regardless you just dismissed imu doing it , you’re also dismissing alabasta dog , and once again the tanuki teapot , there are many examples where it’s not tied to vp , he may have discovered the sure fire way to do it but other people can happen upon the same thing

[olive sigil]

Can you go to dms I have a mod related question. Nothing serious

[rapid ridge]

It's Mike

[scenic dirge]

Yea the Gaban thing is weird no?

[muted hedge]

he doesn't want to lay blame on his dead father

[brittle basin]

the lying may be to protect Harald's image

[scenic dirge]

I'm kind of confused

[rapid ridge]

Sure thing! Anytime

[trim lily]

either something else happens here or gaban just lied

[hot cairn]

it’s funny that Gaban claims he doesn’t have any context but it’s immediately up to speed by Jarul LOL

[pine scaffold]

Oda is finished

[tawny panther]

“ we showed up late and didn’t see everything “

you got there 2 mins after Loki did lol

[scenic dirge]

He like... absolutely knows most of the truth about what happened. Like he literally saw Harald going bat shit and Shanks explained the abyss mark to him.

[muted hedge]

Loki said himself that he doesn't care about what people think of him, so I think it's natural for him to shoulder this blame as well given he'd rather do that then put the blame on his dead father

[scenic dirge]

Loki yea

[hot cairn]

how will he get to out of the main conflict if Loki will kill Harald with the fruit? He has no escape he needs to show us the fruit

[pine scaffold]

people are acting like they missed everything, no they didnt 😭

[ashen perch]

I didnt dismiss them though, I think all DF weapons are from VP aside from Cerberus, because Imu can just do that

[scenic dirge]

but Gaban should know Loki is innocent

[cunning narwhal]

I didn’t think we’d need to see it, but now i think we’ll eventually see loki vs shanks, or at least learn why it happened. As of rn they aren’t hostile towards each other and idk why they would be

[rapid ridge]

Gaban didn't have a helmet to save him

[digital spear]

I guess Loki told Jarul, Gaban and Shanks to keep the truth and they agreed

[rapid ridge]

[hot cairn]

Galleila Warhammer company

[digital spear]

are they both named Ragnir?

[scenic dirge]

"investigate" tf??? Dude you literally ATTACKED Harald and saw him nearly kill Jarul and a billion guards

[deep chasm]

if its not a retcon its an inconsistency/plot hole . If you guys are talking about scopper acting like he doesnt know what went on here

[scenic dirge]

Wait is this actually like an oversight by oda lol?

[muted hedge]

i don't think it is

[deep chasm]

thats how it seems

[dense rapids]

Which makes me wonder why Shanks dragged him back to Elbaph

Maybe from stopping Loki of attacking the WG too early?

[muted hedge]

Oda will probably explain it next chapter

[brittle basin]

either he's knowingly lying or he's referencing literally not being there for the whole thing

[deep chasm]

maybe oda can save it, but it obviously looks like an inconsistency lol

[tranquil blade]

Maybe Gaban is just a bitch have we considered that

[tawny panther]

but why say that then run away from Elbaf , get captured by the person who helped you fight Harald and cover up your lie , then continuously try to escape your imprisonment

[digital spear]

oh he was referring to the hammer right next to the fruit

[stone terrace]

I mean if this ends up being another mistake we have to put oda down

[urban lodge]

It could be a mistake, it wouldn't be the first in this flashback lol

[cunning narwhal]

Maybe he just wanted loki to be the one to tell his brother

[digital spear]

this makes sense

[muted hedge]

i don't think it looks like an inconsistency given what Loki said in this chapter

[dense haven]

oda forgor

[muted hedge]

he doesn't care about what people think about him

[hot cairn]

lmaooo

[pine scaffold]

Fisher tiger and now this

[muted hedge]

it's probably natural for him to take the blame at this point

[hot cairn]

who?

[pine scaffold]

is One Piece over?

[deep chasm]

that doesnt change the fact that shanks and scopper literally saw what happened

[tranquil blade]

https://tenor.com/view/d9luxe-cry-gif-300276708782576950

[hot cairn]

it kinda is, so many of those lately lol

[dense rapids]

There are two different treasure rooms

What was the one under the throne used for?

[dense haven]

almost every chapter has some kind of error

[blazing depot]

Also this part of the flashback isn’t over, maybe Gaban and Shanks prematurely left and missed vital context regarding Loki

[dense haven]

oda is truly finished

[frigid gulch]

I think this panel hints at Loki taking on the blame. He knows his father’s rep among the people but is being told by Harald that it’s ok to tarnish his rep for the sake of Elbaf. Except.. Loki won’t actually tarnish his rep, but shoulder the entire blame

[deep chasm]

loki could have chosen to put the blame on himself and thats why all the giants think hes bad. It wouldny explain why shanks and scopper literally saw Harald was being controlled but is acting like loki is probably at fault

[scenic dirge]

https://tenor.com/view/goat-washed-my-goat-washed-lightning-mcqueen-mcqueen-gif-13084113942314445304

[tranquil blade]

Oda I cant defend your hackery another time, you have to not be a hack...

[blazing depot]

This is barely a retcon yall call anything a fucking retcon

[runic dock]

“Because it’s imu” is not a satisfactory enough explanation and honestly just plain lazy whether it’s from you or from Oda , at best he has a devil fruit with a wide variety of abilities , where does that allow him to stuff df into objects? Unless there is more than one way to do it, more than just what vp knows

[muted hedge]

yeah, then they agreed to Lokis request of shouldering the blame i guess

[deep chasm]

Yes I think Loki did take the blame. It just doesnt answer why shanks and scopper act like they dont know what happened

[pine scaffold]

Okay I'm glad yall stopped trying to figure out ways for it to work, its very clearly an inconsistency

[dense haven]

sb won

[frigid gulch]

Probably because they’re in kahoots too

[dense haven]

now everyone apologize to him

[frigid gulch]

With Loki

[muted hedge]

i still think it's not an inconsistency

[thick mango]

What's the alleged inconsistency?

[digital spear]

I mean it doesnt really sound like anything contradicting in the official. Gaban was just slowly starting the story but was interrupted by Luffys fanboying over Shanks again

[cunning narwhal]

Idk i feel like gaban wanted loki to be the one to tell hajrudin

[ashen perch]

not lazy at all, he is the Devil and he can supposedly give mythical powers to the Gorosei too, a sword should be nothing to him. Thats just part of his arsenal

[scenic dirge]

See if oda just didnt' explicitly have Gaban say this in the present, then it could have definitely led to some intentional deception in kahoots with Loki yada yada. But the way it's framed in this panel, it doesn't seem theatrical, he seems genuinely confused

[muted hedge]

Gaban and Shanks knowing what went down

and still not telling people what went down

[digital spear]

Evan why arent you looking at the offical

[deep chasm]

That still wouldnt rlly make sense of scopper acting fully oblivious even when it comes up that he wants loki to explain what happened. If we're getting to the truth why is scopper still acting like he doesnt know. He'd be saying something more like "Loki, I know you wanted to keep it a secret, but its best you tell harald what happened", not scopper acting like he has no clue

[frigid gulch]

Loki can explain everything to them

I don’t see why not

[digital spear]

@scenic dirge

[scenic dirge]

oh I just copied whatever was posted above

[runic dock]

We don’t know what he is , you’re assuming a lot

[frigid gulch]

But he’ll elect to take on the blame

[dense haven]

I mean looking back gaban also didn't tell luffy about the regen counter or anything going up there

[blazing depot]

I feel like we are jumping to conclusions WAY too fast. Let’s let the rest of the flashback play out

[deep chasm]

I think that would still make it weird dialogue. Scoppper can just say "hey so loki its time to stop lying about what happened"

[dense haven]

kinda sus

[thick mango]

They don't have to tell people, harald reputation is being protected

[digital spear]

gaban is EVIl

[deep chasm]

it would be less of an inconsistency, but still weird

[brittle basin]

Ah, you know what, when framed from this perspective, it makes more sense of it being an inconsistency or plot hole.

[scenic dirge]

But either way, we still essentially know that they did in fact see the whole thing. Or at least enough of it to know Loki isn't the one responsible

[dense haven]

gaban is the traitor

[frigid gulch]

Yea I think it’s meant to be weird for those reasons

[muted hedge]

i mean Gaban has been very odd when talking about Loki, sometimes he acts like he is the bane of existance and on other occassions he is willing to free him and says that it's the best choice for Elbaph

[pine scaffold]

wait is Gaban the bad guy?

[frozen aspen]

Maybe harald catapulted shanks and gaban out at the very end so they missed that part aswell

[scenic dirge]

Like, that's indisuputable either way

[dense haven]

every arc must have a traitor

[digital spear]

thats kinda what he did say

[rapid ridge]

Just like Tama, oh god, not again

[blazing depot]

https://tenor.com/view/pac-man-gif-5243770954508413714

[frozen aspen]

where loki pulls the final blow

[muted hedge]

yeah and i think that Loki will put the blame on himself to secure his fathers legacy

[frigid gulch]

What’s been going on with Loki has basically always been weird

[deep chasm]

I dont get it. Why would oda intentionally mkae that weird? its not like us thinking scopper didnt know improves the story any

[tranquil blade]

Gaban should know enough about what happened to be able to say "Wait no Loki did not just kill Harald for no reason"

[tawny panther]

Gaban : Luffy , those guys aren’t immortal , watch how you use your conquerors haki

Sommers gets back up and regens after Gaban uses his CoC haki

😂🤦🏾‍♂️

[prisma idol]

This is why we check the officials

[blazing depot]

Yeah this 100% tracks with the new chapter

Yall are fucking idiots

[thick mango]

Them knowing loki wasn't responsible isn't incompatible with any previously existing info. You can say maybe you think they should have spoken up but there's nothing that says they absolutely must speak up

[deep chasm]

it changes the important part. What he says here implies he has no clue what happened, but is giving loki the benefit of the doubt. If he already knew it'd make more sense for him to speak about it, acknowledging he knows the truth and just wants loki to explain it

[ashen perch]

Doesnt matter if its a Devil Devil Fruit, he still seems to have these abilities that allow him to grant mythical powers to people and a sword shouldnt be any different.

[frigid gulch]

It’s possibly a poor choice of words on his part unless Harald yeets both of them out of the castle in the next chapter

That’s why we have to see

[scenic dirge]

He shouldn't really be questioning what was happening at all tbh. Like, given Shanks explained the abyss mark and "the great one" powers to him immediately before this, then they burst in attacking harald who's all juiced up on demon powers after wiping out his own men... like, genuinely what context does he not have?

[digital spear]

I think the "but we were there" is important here, might be overlooked. in hindsight Gaban doesnt seem THAT clueless in ch 1152

[deep chasm]

so then oda is writing something weird/inconsistent

[muted hedge]

i don't think so

[dense haven]

people still tryina defend oda

[hot cairn]

he says he didn’t see the whole thing but he did

[stone terrace]

Maybe absinthe

[digital spear]

lmaooo

[deep chasm]

you just described oda writing something weird

[brittle basin]

This is Viz? If so, it seems to be making it out that while Gaban admits to not being there for everything, it also doesn't suggest that Gaban didn't know what happened. So this would make it not an inconsistency right?

[pine scaffold]

''We didn't see the whole thing''

YOU BASICALLY DID 😭

[muted hedge]

it could be deliberate

[deep chasm]

this would still have implied they missed a very important portion of it. But they knew everything important to know

[blazing depot]

They arrived after Harald got stabbed are you actually this slow

[vernal ravine]

the day some people start to learn to read

[thick mango]

They didn't see the whole thing

[digital spear]

yeah, thats how I see it

[urban lodge]

Maybe Gaban simply has dementia

[deep chasm]

Deliberate doesnt change that the moment is odd in story

[pine scaffold]

I mean isnt Gaban 67 or something

[scenic dirge]

But I still don't understand what they could have eventually misconstrued in the end to not be able to deduce at least some basic truths. Aka, loki didn't murder harald, and everything about harald's involvement with the abyss stuff

[brittle basin]

Is this the part where I say "TCB L?"

[warm thunder]

sb wins

[muted hedge]

i think people are a bit fast

[dense haven]

they dont need to see the whole thing to infer its the fucking mind control they just talked about lmaooo

[digital spear]

well go ahead

[pine scaffold]

pin worthy

[ashen perch]

I feel like people are ignoring the part where Gaban is very clearly telling them to free Loki to the surprise of everybody, its clear that he knows more than it seems lol

[scenic dirge]

But it does because he's let Loki rot in the underworld for years under the assumption that he's some deranged prince

[brittle basin]

Viz' translation makes it seem like not an inconsistency.

[dense haven]

yall treating this like its some sherlockian mystery

[brittle basin]

I'm also working under the assumption they might have chosen to lie to protect Harald's image.

[tranquil blade]

Why didnt he say shit for the years that he was chained up tho, he knew the whole time

[ashen perch]

there was just an agreement to keep quiet about this, its gonna be something like that

[scenic dirge]

I mean, is this not the same guy that explicitly told Luffy not to free him under any circumstances?

[frigid gulch]

They kept it hush

[ashen perch]

yes, because Loki is still dangerous

[frigid gulch]

Gaban included

[ashen perch]

but Gaban could still know that he is innocent as far as the Harald thing goes

[muted hedge]

by the build up it seems like Loki's release is the indication of ragnarok

[thick mango]

Loki raves about his desire to destroy the world he is dangerous and shouldn't be freed

Him not killing his dad doesn't mean he's not dangerous

[digital spear]

no he told Luffy that not even the worst criminals would want to free Loki, which was a way to test Luffys character

[tranquil blade]

What reason would they have to hide this? Even Harald told Loki that Elbaf should leave his legacy behind and Loki should be the next king

[ashen perch]

Loki was rampaging around in the seas like a maniac when Shanks stopped him, thats reason enough to keep him chained

[brittle basin]

Loki just wants to be the Nika he thought Rocks was.

[frigid gulch]

The reason is Loki doesn’t want to tarnish his dad’s rep

[ashen perch]

^

[glacial bear]

My hand is burning

[frigid gulch]

He seems basically dumbfounded here

[scenic dirge]

Dangerous coz he's a bit of an asshole? Harald literally wanted him to become ruler and be propped as a hero

[frigid gulch]

At what Harald is saying

[vernal ravine]

either loki tell them to tied him up to clears harald name someway or he became crazy and that's why he was tied up

no other possibility

[brittle basin]

I guess Loki said "nah fuck that pops"

[warm thunder]

he lost his mom and dad in the span of a year then went crazy at sea

[blazing depot]

Court of public opinion. Most Elbaph citizens think he’s like King Von

[thick mango]

He is crazy he's ranting about destroying the world when we meet him. Killing your father isn't the only way to be crazy

[scenic dirge]

I mean, Loki's a deviant for sure lol. But I think being blamed for regicide and outcast probably does warrant a bit of acting out

[glacial bear]

What if it’s all an act by Prince Loki

[ashen perch]

no, like I said, the things that Loki was upto during his voyages were bad enough to force Shanks to stop him. He is dangerous.

[dense haven]

it makes sense for loki to try and cover up harald since he was already a known fuck up

[muted hedge]

i forget at times that Loki struck the root of the Adam tree causing a fire

[glacial bear]

Loki may be lying after all.

[dense haven]

thats a goda moment if so

[pine scaffold]

Oda could have made Jarul have amnesia from the attack so that Gaban/Shanks wouldnt be caught up to speed, but Oda didnt 😭

[thick mango]

At a certain point there's not much difference between pretending to be dangerous and being dangerous

[brittle basin]

when was loki out at sea?

[glacial bear]

6 years ago

[frigid gulch]

You said speed

[glacial bear]

SUIIIII

[tranquil blade]

Do we have info on what Loki was doing while out at sea? All we know is he was out there for about 8 years and got a high bounty

[muted hedge]

rampaging

[glacial bear]

He was aiming to destroy the world I would assume

[ashen perch]

And as for why they kept quiet, its because Loki wanted to take that burden upon himself and no one else. He wanted the people of Elbaf to keep thinking that Harald is the greatest they have ever had, the wisest they have ever had.

[frigid gulch]

Gaban implies he was going crazy out there I think

[digital spear]

I dont think they misconstrued anything? I feel like the only thing that seems weird right now is Gaban saying they didnt see everything, but maybe its just exaggarated, like hes not flatout saying they dont have the full truth. also we just had them arriving, we didnt see the conclusion yet so maybe theres gonna be 1 thing we overlooked that Gaban didnt see @deep chasm

[glacial bear]

And I think Shanks trying to maintain the balance of power in the world for now. Stopped Loki during his rampage

[fallen meteor]

theres no way we are approaching a pact between jarul gaban shanks and loki to blame it all on loki and fake everything about his raids at sea

[muted hedge]

by the sounds of it, Loki probably tried to destroy the World Government

[frigid gulch]

But there might be more to it

[dense haven]

one more reason to hate harold

[frigid gulch]

As always with Loki

[scenic dirge]

Wait Absinthe theory goes hard actually

😭

[glacial bear]

I think Loki felt betrayed by Shanks

[frigid gulch]

I’m actually wondering how that Shanks stuff went

[brittle basin]

if absinthe kicked in right here i'd lose my mind

[frigid gulch]

Did he actually just straight clap him

Or..

[muted hedge]

knowing Oda i'd say it's likely that Shanks did just clap him

[digital spear]

Odas hate for Gil Bastar needs to be studied btw

[frigid gulch]

Yea that’s what I’d lean to

[fallen meteor]

this is all a cloud logia moment btw he used his powers on gaban, jarul and shanks to make their memory...cloudy...

[dense haven]

shanks is HIM

[frigid gulch]

But it’s the boring choice

[tranquil blade]

He's just not like that I'm afraid

[glacial bear]

Justice for Gil Bastar

[dense haven]

ur a mihawk fan, you like boring

[tranquil blade]

You got Wang Zhi tho

[frigid gulch]

Gil Bastard

[muted hedge]

if Loki is a danger for any of Shanks friends that will be enough of a trigger

[final trench]

Indeed

[frigid gulch]

Who said I’m a fan

Defense ≠ fan

[ashen perch]

Gil Bastar fans crying meanwhile WE CLAW MAN Fans dont even have a name to our boy, we still call him the guy with the claw, the claw man

[digital spear]

NOBODY CARES ABOUT CLAW MAN

[ashen perch]

actually we dont even know if he was a boy

[cunning narwhal]

Gil bastar is the bogard of the rocks pirates

[glacial bear]

Lmao

[final trench]

He still flying in the sky

[tranquil blade]

He got retconned out of the crew btw

[ashen perch]

I CARES

[dense haven]

claw man erasure

[deep chasm]

Sure maybe theres something else we dont see, but its hard for me to believe anything else could happen which would change the premise of the situation. Scopper and shanks know harald was being controlled by Imu and loki was tasked with taking him down. Ill acknowledge that with the official translation and the possibility that loki asked them to stay quiet that it wouldnt be that bad of an inconsistency.

But I do still think the page made it seem like Scopper and shanks didnt see some important aspect of the fight , so I wonder whats up with that

[digital spear]

Oda at least shouldve had the generosity to have bogard fight gil

[fallen meteor]

he jumped and never landed

[hot cairn]

how would you guys rate this chapter out of 10

[tranquil blade]

He's not a canon Rocks pirate anymore

[glacial bear]

One day he will come down from the sky

[tranquil blade]

Claw guy is DONE

[ashen perch]

right like Gil bastar atleast still exists

[final trench]

He followed eris and teach

[dense haven]

claw man is the graggle of rocks pirates

[deep chasm]

has oda confirmed this is capones dad yet

[digital spear]

nah

[tranquil blade]

No

[glacial bear]

Rip THE DON

[ashen perch]

Oda creates a guy with the same set of claws as BB and is like "Did he even exist"

[deep chasm]

well that'll happen eventually Im sure

[tranquil blade]

He probably isnt even Bege's dad unless Oda's a hack

[pine ridge]

no cause he's don kriegs dad

[frigid gulch]

Wang Zhi did him dirty icl

[glacial bear]

WE ARE DON MARLON. WE CARRY THE FLAMES 🔥

[frigid gulch]

[final trench]

Dont worry marlon, shakky is safe now

[deep chasm]

well everyones a nepo baby in one piece so having the exact same style as Capone is gonna make me say hes capones dad

[final trench]

WE HAVE THE WATCH BROTHER, ILL SEE YOU IN VALHALLA

[pine scaffold]

everyone before this chapter thought Gaban/Shanks showed up at the end btw

[final trench]

We are leaving nepo baby in 2025

None of these niggas are known because of their parents

[tranquil blade]

JJK editor went behind Oda's back to draw him in the background of that one panel, just to troll you specifically

[deep chasm]

nah dont rlly care if theyre known cuz of their parents or not

point is they got special family

capone's just another one on the list

[digital spear]

https://tenor.com/view/vincent-gif-4983399

[ashen perch]

oh my god ofc

[frigid gulch]

Is the JJK editor goated or nah

[pine scaffold]

JJK is a masterpiece

[final trench]

So being related to don marlon is having a special family?

[prisma idol]

Didn't you know a random YouTube poll represents the whole Fandom Yc?

[dense haven]

when did the jjk editor started working with oda

[deep chasm]

yes

[final trench]

https://tenor.com/view/if-you-laugh-you-go-to-hell-they-still-laughing-if-you-laugh-gif-11539776701605221451

[dense haven]

jjk editor kinda explains rocks

[prisma idol]

[ashen perch]

SB as the infamous perpetual opinion changer here, how the fuck are you confused by the idea of people having different opinions with lesser information

[digital spear]

yeah im wondering too, im excited for how the scene will really play out and which decision Loki makes

[deep chasm]

im interested in the hammer vs fruit thing. Is the idea that the hammer is connected to the fruit, or like whats going on

is it just completely separate but theyre two powerful things

[prisma idol]

Because SB doesn't change opinions on facts, logic and information. He changes on Aura and Cool factor

[digital spear]

I know, that was EVERYONES expectation of how Shanks and Gaban reavhed the castle after everything happened before this chapter

[hot cairn]

what do you think of Modulo Sb

[glacial bear]

I hope Elbaph has WiFi

[deep chasm]

hold on random thought that may not make sense.

Fruit is Nika fruit, Hammer draws in lightning, so theyre used side by side because Nika can't be hurt by lightning

[pine scaffold]

its my fav series rn

[prisma idol]

#other-series

[deep chasm]

I feel like Im cooking

[torn vigil]

What if its that ragnir hammer who ate that legendary DF?

[digital spear]

he looks like he heard that

[pine scaffold]

and I declared it as the best manga in 2025

[dense rapids]

🤣🤣🤣

[deep chasm]

I mean maybe thered just have to be nothing in the chest tho which id find weird

[vernal ravine]

ik its ragebait but i hope it wasnt

[deep chasm]

Idk I may eb buying that the fruit is the nika fruit and its meant to be used with ragnir because its immune to lightning

[pine scaffold]

no I seriously like JJK

its not ragebait

[digital spear]

Modulo already CLEARS One Piece

[frigid gulch]

Not a bad idea tbh

[prisma idol]

Sb. One piece or JJK? Which is better

[frigid gulch]

But not sure

[pine scaffold]

JJK I'd say

[deep chasm]

yea it could go either way, but it'd make some extra sense of them being used in conjunction

[frigid gulch]

Nika seems to be depicted using stuff like swords

[hot cairn]

I think it’s definitely connected to the fruit there’s too many hints indicating to it. Loki also said to the NGW that they “can’t even lift Ragnir”

[prisma idol]

Now everyone laugh like we are at a zoo

[frigid gulch]

Or spears and shields

[pine scaffold]

imma include Modulo in that as well

[digital spear]

I guess the big question now is if its Luffys fruit in that chest

[frigid gulch]

Unless it’s just for illustration purposes

[iron oriole]

No

Its definitely not the Nika

[deep chasm]

this is true, I wouldnt assume it necessarily is meant to mean nika uses a hammer, just that maybe the giants of the past realized these two would work together because nika would be immune to the lightning

[digital spear]

in that case Loki wouldnt eat it and give it to Shanks somehow

[frigid gulch]

That’s alright then ig

[digital spear]

then Shanks loses it to Whos Who and has to get it back

[pine scaffold]

what if Shanks and Gaban stole the Nika fruit from Loki and framed him for killing harald and thats why they lied

[frigid gulch]

What if the chest is empty

[prisma idol]

Yeah what do you all believe.

A. Loki gets the fruit and Hammer
B. Loki gets the hammer and not the fruit
C. Loki gets the fruit and not the hammer
D. Loki gets neither the hammer or the fruit

C and D are wrong btw

[frigid gulch]

Someone took it

[blazing mantle]

Isn’t it just in the ground

[digital spear]

yeah I think I prefer it being a different fruit right now

[deep chasm]

B ig

[digital spear]

or that

[iron oriole]

Loki is talking about eating the DF & then taking Ragnir, even Harald says he'll be the one to eat it... theres a fruit in the chest & its gonna be eaten

[frigid gulch]

Zoans have wills

[prisma idol]

But by loki?

[digital spear]

well he gets the hammer

[frigid gulch]

It’s possible that the fruit could evade being eaten too

[iron oriole]

Yes

[deep chasm]

it alos feels like it makes sense for the nika fruit to be with elbaf for a while

[digital spear]

I wonder how he loses his other hammer tho

[prisma idol]

Yes that is why C and D are dumb

[deep chasm]

I believe it did this to shanks

[wraith mantle]

Fire

[prisma idol]

But you should still get the option

[frigid gulch]

A more crazy idea I heard is

[digital spear]

feel like Odas coloring was a bit off here

[wraith mantle]

Big mom needs to wear shorts tho

[frigid gulch]

Harald succeeds in eating the fruit

[pine ridge]

no poll perms

[frigid gulch]

But he’s killed so it respawns somewhere else

But I’m not sure if that’d work

[iron oriole]

It seems like you cant even wield Ragnir without the DF

[frigid gulch]

Jarul told Gaban to not let Harald eat it. Ofc he could be too much handle for them but I also believe Gaban will learn conquerors affects immortals in the next chapter

In that case

He might successfully stop Harald with Shanks

[digital spear]

kinda went hard when Jarul said if Harald ate the fruit it would be the end of the world

[wraith mantle]

So shanks is helping Loki beat harald

[frigid gulch]

But that would have to mean either the chest is empty or Loki fumbles it

[blazing depot]

This is gonna be my new laptop wallpaper

[wraith mantle]

Bro stealing everyone’s feats

[frigid gulch]

With Gaban there

[bold sonnet]

😂

[frigid gulch]

Actually if they’re involved to the very end

They could create an opening for Loki

Kinda depends

[glacial bear]

I’m scared about Loki or Hajrudin being Domi Reversi’d

[frigid gulch]

Loki might

[iron oriole]

Shanks & Gaban hit Harald with a combo conq blow like Garp & Roger on Rocks but its not enough but buys enough time via Harald regen for Loki to finish him

[scenic dirge]

If they’re involved in the entire fight then yea I’m sorry, the gaban thing is probably a slight inconsistency unless they have some sort of memory loss

[glacial bear]

Gaban is gonna have crazy fights in the anime

[iron oriole]

Wdym?

[glacial bear]

GOAT’ed #2 of the Roger Pirates

[frigid gulch]

Waffler Gaban

#3*

[glacial bear]

https://tenor.com/view/gaban-rayleigh-roger-pirates-gol-d-roger-one-piece-gif-25902632

I hope we see Spencer soon in the story

[frosty jasper]

what should Ace's bounty be if it were to reflect his actual power instead of threat to world govt, considering he has a logia DF and conqueror's haki

lets it shud be less than blackbeard's first real bounty of 2.2bill since ace lost to him

[wraith mantle]

Gaban said they didn’t see the whole thing

Not that they didn’t see anything

[deep chasm]

I dont know that it'd e much different

[frosty jasper]

as a ballpark

[runic dock]

That just means there’s more than one way to skin a cat, pardner

[wraith mantle]

No inconsistency

[deep chasm]

BB's first bounty was lower than that Im pretty sure

[prisma idol]

You arent ready for Loki to use his eyes to hypnotize everyone in the castle into forgetting their memories in order for Harald to forget his orders from imu, so that Loki can kill harald

[runic dock]

Yeah , people can’t read

[wraith mantle]

Fr bruh

[scenic dirge]

[deep chasm]

and ace is way weaker than BB when he got the 2.2 bil bounty. Actual power is your threat vs world government. it only gets bonuses if you have extra stuff to it. Chances are Ace's 500 mil was very accurate

[frosty jasper]

500 is way too low

logia DF+conq haki?

[deep chasm]

yes

[frosty jasper]

shud be at least, double that

[deep chasm]

conquerors haki you cant actually use in battle is not making you get a higher bounty

and logias do not necesssarily get above 500 mil lol , plenty of logias are below that

[runic dock]

Enel would have also had around the same

[deep chasm]

you got people with no bounty who can use haki, being a logia isnt a ticket to being a mil

[runic dock]

Bounty

[pine ridge]

even enel's hypothetical bounty was 500mil

[deep chasm]

yea

and hes got a stronge rlogia

[frosty jasper]

hmm

[leaden rivet]

Whats page one’s bounty

[frosty jasper]

ok thats a good argument

cuz i would rank ace and enel around the same power lvl

ive been convinced 🫡

[iron oriole]

Probably a top 3 Logia tbh, considering the fucker restarted his own heart with it among other shit

[runic dock]

Ain’t nobody after his ass

[deep chasm]

yea

[deep chasm]

thought it was like 300

[frosty jasper]

wait

[leaden rivet]

290 million ok sounds about right for Ace

[frosty jasper]

is Lightning DF>fire DF?

[scenic dirge]

What important part did Gaban not see or be able to deduce tho based on what we know he saw this chapter? “Didn’t see the whole thing”, ok you didn’t see the part before you arrived, but you saw Harald going crazy, Jarul getting stabbed by Harald and not Loki, and should be able to deduce pretty comfortably that Loki wasn’t some crazed father killing asshole for no reason given what was happening with Harald. Idk, it’s nowhere near story breaking or anything lol. But I feel like some details always get slightly muddled when we get huge exposition dumps that span over multiple timeframes

[leaden rivet]

Lightning is the best locks

[iron oriole]

100%

[leaden rivet]

Logia

[scenic dirge]

It happens ig

[deep chasm]

yes

[frosty jasper]

rip charizard

pikachu stonks going up

[leaden rivet]

Fire is one of the lesser ones

[pine ridge]

yes except fire is the stereotypical "cool" power so it's gets an automatic boost

[frigid gulch]

Everyone and their mother can conjure fire atp

[runic dock]

I hope enel fights croc in the fina war so they could make glass

[iron oriole]

Fire is fr the generic bitch power in anime/manga huh

[scenic dirge]

Fire is only a cool power when it actually fucking incinerates things

[frosty jasper]

disrespected my boi charizard :c

[iron oriole]

Everyone & their mothers can do fire attacks

[scenic dirge]

But in most shonen it’s basically just another projectile

[frigid gulch]

Where does Lord of the Coast scale with the Imu buff

[scenic dirge]

With minimal burning properties

[iron oriole]

0 buff because Shallows contract

[pine ridge]

below east blue luffy

[brittle basin]

Ace and Sabo a bitch confirmed. Akainu upscale.

[runic dock]

Maffey out there just casually boro breathing things

[runic dock]

Yeah that only applies if imu is in range

[iron oriole]

Fire is a part of Akainu's power too, he's a bitch as well

[frigid gulch]

Let me cook damn it

[iron oriole]

Nah the Imu range thing is following their orders

[runic dock]

Magma is hotter than fire

[iron oriole]

Shallows doesn't give you a strength boost etc

[runic dock]

Oh right

[frosty jasper]

nah magma is some next lvl shet

[clever idol]

[frosty jasper]

water beats fire but magma can burn water

[frigid gulch]

Abyssal potentially lets Imu take you over completely

[iron oriole]

In fact Akainu is a lobster fetching bitch

[frigid gulch]

Piloting your body

[frosty jasper]

akainu could probably create islands

on some groudon type shet

[fallen meteor]

going in manga is so fun sometimes you see like 50 users that you've never seen before

[brittle basin]

GB upscale.

[runic dock]

I wonder how someone with a kind heart would use this power

“Let me ride you like a Gundam!”

[celest mauve]

for about a quarter of a second I thought this was sabo

[frosty jasper]

imu using the ancient weapon/flame of mother shet to erase islands while akainu uses his magma DF to burn water and create islands

[frigid gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/greenbull-ryokugyu-one-piece-greenbull-one-piece-meme-greenbull-upscale-gif-1966316110117120405

[scenic dirge]

Same lol

[fallen meteor]

new theory

[frigid gulch]

Shanks is the Sabo of the middle gen

[pulsar path]

That is really Sabo energy dead ass

[frigid gulch]

[iron oriole]

I said the same shit

[celest mauve]

yeah the shading being more light than usual helps with the sabo image

[iron oriole]

"Tf Sabo doing in the chapter"

If it wasn't for the scar...

[soft forge]

if non-living things can eat a devil fruit, will Vegapunk give one to the sunny or maybe Franky's mech.

[runic dock]

Technically every part of Franky can have its own fruit

[pine ridge]

did shanks know roger's son was ace. or did he assume it was luffy cause he fit the bill

[runic dock]

His arms can have their own fruit

[ashen rose]

[celest mauve]

I don't think he did

[ashen rose]

HIS COLOR PALLET IS FIRE

[celest mauve]

ace met shanks in person and shanks didn't indicate he knew he was roger's son

[runic dock]

Great , Now I want Franky with like 5 fruits on him :(

[glacial bear]

His beard is blue yea?

[iron oriole]

At this time in the fb, he didn't know but he might have later met Garp & found out

[fallen meteor]

imagine shanks still thinks luffy is roger's son

[wet condor]

Same face syndrome lol

[ashen rose]

Probably a printing error

[runic dock]

This is exactly why nobody figured out bb is related to rocks

[pine ridge]

well surely not after marineford. but before that he might've thought luffy was roger's son

[deep chasm]

Im sure shanks never believed luffy was roger's son. He either never rlly met ace ( i dont remember if that one scene is anime only), or he knew ace was rogers son

[runic dock]

Everything is already the same

[hot cairn]

I really think it isnt, we have a lot of hints regarding it being a different fruit

[scenic dirge]

Idk that feels pretty in character for shanks. Like outside a few times where he’s serious such as when he boards WB’s ship, he almost always seems to act pretty jovial and carefree

[fallen meteor]

he arrived late maybe he has no idea still

[deep chasm]

like what?

[scenic dirge]

But he be knowing shit

A lot of shit

[frosty jasper]

rock's hair style makes me think he shud have been given Enel's DF

[iron oriole]

Idk Luffy as a kid probably yapped about how Garp was his grandfather

[frosty jasper]

hes got lightning hair

[fallen meteor]

'they are killing the son of roger' and he rushes there and stops the war and sees luffy leaving so he thinks he saved him 🙂

[soft forge]

They'd never power up franky that much 🙁

[hot cairn]

this should be a server bet btw @ashen perch if the nika fruit is the elbaph fruit or not

[ashen rose]

"The stand user could be anyone "

[runic dock]

Oda is afraid

[pine ridge]

garp was ace's "grandpa" too

[deep chasm]

I think thats very unlikely. Just seems like thatd be a weird plot point and no real indication of it

[fallen meteor]

they do this and next chapter it's revealed its the cloud logia and everyone gets muted and the chapter after that it's revealed the cloud logia is the nika of desctruction so the mods are left with saturn dies part two

[runic dock]

The time line doesn’t fit for shanks to ever even consider that Luffy was Roger’s son

He’s too young for that consideration

[wraith mantle]

Next chapter will be Loki just overcoming ragnir

Loki’s training arc

[runic dock]

Typos

[dense haven]

ragnir vs loki will be extreme diff

[proud pivot]

loki one shots

[fallen meteor]

new theory ragnir is jorul

[iron oriole]

Ragnir is Mosa

[wraith mantle]

Socrates will jump you irl

[runic dock]

Smh man

[pine ridge]

shanks failed math in highschool

[brittle basin]

Ragnir is the spirit of Ida

[glacial bear]

Blackbeard will kill Ragnir for his 3rd Devil Fruit

[fallen meteor]

so true she rushed to hug him but he thinks it's an attack

[runic dock]

“Maybe some women can be pregnant forever?” Head ass

[fallen meteor]

[urban lodge]

Can't wait for Socrates' reaction when Oda has Shanks do 90% of the damage to Harald

[brittle basin]

What if Ragnir is a racist hammer?

[iron oriole]

Racist to Giants?

[glacial bear]

Ragnir hates Giants would be funny

[fallen meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/joe-biden-presidential-debate-huh-confused-gif-9508832355999336631

[runic dock]

Let’s see how it acts in front of jinbei then

[wraith mantle]

Ragnir only allows ancient giants to touch the fruit

[brittle basin]

"Get those filthy fishmen, Loki!" - Ragnir

[wraith mantle]

Hajrudin tried and he got whacked

[runic dock]

Future luffy feat : “ aww man , i wanted to throw it but i was only able to pick up ragnir”

[tranquil blade]

So people not being able to wield Ragnir might not be a physical strength thing it might just be that the hammer wont let anyone else wield it

[wraith mantle]

Marvel ahh humor

[iron oriole]

Luffy will probably use Ragnir actually

[frigid gulch]

Enma upscale

https://tenor.com/view/zoro-enma-draining-haki-one-piece-enma-sword-gif-1718969978146990577

[wraith mantle]

Loki’s sharingans will tame ragnir

[brittle basin]

https://tenor.com/view/the-avengers-age-of-ultron-captain-america-steve-rogers-chris-evans-gif-4665288

[dense haven]

usopp vs ragnir who wins

[iron oriole]

After Loki's comment about the other Giants being unable to lift it, Luffy 100% will

[runic dock]

If It chooses who wields it , I could see Luffy brute forcing it even tho he’s not supposed to wield it lol

[deep chasm]

Yea maybe so, but then I wonder what the logic is. If its having that fruit, then it means its not the nika fruit and somehow this weapon is connected to a fruit

[bold sonnet]

Usopp lifts Ragnir
Loki starts to sweat profusely

[glacial bear]

Lmfao

[brittle basin]

We already know.

[deep chasm]

or if its like idk honor ro whatever that'll be its own can of worms ig

[wraith mantle]

We starting to see goofy Loki

[tranquil blade]

tbf this isnt the first time a weapon has been connected to a fruit power

[wraith mantle]

He was running like a fool this chapter

[runic dock]

Imagine ragnir LETS Usopp wield it

Holy moly

[dense haven]

instant aura loss

[brittle basin]

@pseudo gulch

Ragnir wants to see Usopp became a brave warrior.

[dense haven]

anyone who picks usopp should not be trusted

[wet condor]

I said earlier it was the coolest weapon

[tranquil blade]

Are we assigning aura values to a hammer

[brittle basin]

Vote for Buffy

[wet condor]

Usopp using it though...

[iron oriole]

Loki grabs a branch from the Adam tree & throws it to Luffy who turns it into an axe for him, then Loki throws Ragnir to Usopp & says "you can have this one young warrior"

[wet condor]

[tawny panther]

smh why did you just speak that into existence 🤬 now Oda is gonna do it lol

[brittle basin]

Can you kill Ragnir and take its devil fruit?

[glacial bear]

Franky didn’t see the part of the Mural where a long nosed man wields a massive thunder hammer

[wet condor]

I wonder if Harald's sword is one of the Supreme Grade blades

[hot cairn]

okok here's everything that indicates two things that the df isnt the nika fruit:

1. First things first, Rocks has no idea who Nika is when he talks to Loki. But he knows exactly that he needs two fruits and knows what they are because he said that only Harald could awaken it's true power (as a giant) with the one that is at Elbaph
2. Second whatever the fruit is, it's needed to control/command the Galleila giants who are frozen in Punk Hazard.
3. The fruit and Ragnir seem to be a package deal so Luffy would need to have it and Loki wouldnt be able to use it. According to him only he can weild Ragnir.

[wet condor]

It's a legendary sword apparently

[glacial bear]

Jarul upscale

[hot cairn]

that scene is in the manga too

[wet condor]

True

[tawny panther]

don’t worry , we’ll find out in a few years from now in a SBS

[glacial bear]

He tanked that to the domeeeeee

[wet condor]

Took that thing to the dome

[brittle basin]

Harald's helmet is a supreme grade blade that was reforged into a helmet.

[shadow vault]

Well in short its already in fact not a nika fruit

[iron oriole]

I think #2 is just Haralds position as King of Elbaf, not necessarily whoever eats the fruit

[wraith mantle]

Did jarul give harald his sword?

[hot cairn]

everyone knows about dragon already tho

[wraith mantle]

There was one line about it

[wet condor]

That's what the chapter says

[tawny panther]

yep

[warm thunder]

yep

[wraith mantle]

Random ahh sword mention

[frigid gulch]

Brutal

[shadow vault]

The timline of shanks raiding the ship didnt match the event of harald become crazy cus no HK or any CP-9 seen

[hot cairn]

you stay in the server alone LOL

[hot cairn]

I agree

[fallen meteor]

lmao

[ashen perch]

Oda is committed to getting that sword count completed, another supreme grade

[iron oriole]

Legendary Sword of Elbaf
Legendary Hammer of Elbaf
Legendary Devil Fruit of Elbaf
Legendary Shipwrights of Elbaf
Whats next?

[ashen perch]

We'll be at 13 by the EOS, and however many the other grades are

[wraith mantle]

Legendary woman if elbaf - Ida

[shadow vault]

There like 21 black blade right

[woven talon]

Legendary Legend of Elbaf

[wraith mantle]

Poor tashigi

[tawny panther]

Legendary Tree of Elbaf

[frigid gulch]

It seems like supreme grades are in the hands of top tiers

[iron oriole]

2 black blades

[shadow vault]

Eh suprme grade sword

[iron oriole]

True!

[shadow vault]

I mean

[iron oriole]

12

[shadow vault]

Ohh okay

[ashen perch]

12? I thought there were 13

[hot cairn]

that could be likely yes but Rocks seems to think it goes hand in hand when he talks to Loki about Haralad and him teaming up

but we'll see soon

[iron oriole]

Nope 12

[frigid gulch]

12

[ashen perch]

But either way, we're slowly getting close to the full count

[hot cairn]

did this flashback already reached 20 chapters?

[iron oriole]

12 Supremes
21 Greats
50 Skillful
Unknown amount of Grade blades

[shadow vault]

I think zoro Sandai kitetsu and Wado ichimoji will be zoro original black blade

[tranquil blade]

Xebec and Shanks probably have supreme grades too

[brittle basin]

Point blank range from a Imu-powered Harald. That has to be a top 5 feat in the entire series.

[deep chasm]

That is fair. I could still believe rocks thought it was the nika fruit..just not necessarily that he knew it was the nika fruit. I dont recall the galeila thing, so that is interesting. Rocks thinking harald specifically could awaken its power is good evidence, unless he was just glazing harald but maybe not.

I believe thers a chance the two are a package deal cuz nika cant be hurt by lightning, but yea if loki said only he can wield it and is not misinformed that is also good evidence

[shadow vault]

100% wado ichimoji will be one of the greatest

[ashen perch]

Shodai Kitetsu
Yoru
Harald's sword
Fujitora's sword whose name I'm forgetting
Ace
Probably Xebec

6/12

[frigid gulch]

Jarul upscale image when

[brittle basin]

swordbros are nerds

[dense haven]

the helmet saved him tho

[brittle basin]

helmet upscale

[iron oriole]

I agree you with though Arsal that there'll be more than 12 Supreme Grades by EOS

[frigid gulch]

WB

[ashen perch]

Oh right yeah

[iron oriole]

If blackening a sword = a grade up then Wado & Enma will become Supremes

[dense haven]

isnt wb a supreme grade

[ashen perch]

His Murakomigiri

[dense haven]

watch oda say the hammer is also a sword

[frigid gulch]

Fuji’s is called Yakuza Kasen

[tranquil blade]

Add Whitebeard, so we have 6 but will be 7 if Xebec has a supreme grade

[runic dock]

Oda’s Usopp gags write themselves atp, it’s the natural upscale from the previous hammers

[ashen perch]

Man

[tranquil blade]

???

[ashen perch]

Yea sure why not

[hot cairn]

we'll see I hope Oda reveals it next chapter

[frigid gulch]

Gryphon is probably there too

[shadow vault]

Isnt habakiri and enma also supreme?

[tranquil blade]

What did I say??

[frigid gulch]

No

[hot cairn]

Oda better reveal that next chapter man

[frigid gulch]

Great Grade

[hot cairn]

I need to know the fruit

[fallen meteor]

Brogy's Mighty arm

[ashen perch]

Gryphon has been ungraded so far no? there's probably some reason for that

[iron oriole]

Great Grades but Enma will become Supreme probably after it blackens

[runic dock]

We started with a regular tiny hammer vs chu

Then a fake big hammer

Then a fake bigger hammer

It’s gonna end on a REAL even BIGGER hammer

[frigid gulch]

Well Oda never mentioned anything about it

[shadow vault]

Yeah isnt black blade was the peak of the sword mastery and quality I think they can be supreme great sword especially zoro original sword was wado ichimoji and sandai kitetsu

[hollow dove]

Just did a count, this latest release marks 18 chapters total since the flashback began

[hot cairn]

jesuschrist and I thought the Castle incident was only going to be one chapter LOL we might be here for 2-3 more chapters

[runic dock]

Giant flashback in the giant arc , I’m feeling time dilated

[ashen perch]

True yea, I was thinking of Road to Laugh Tale but that wasn't Oda

[iron oriole]

Well there was a line from Sukiyaki about the grade potentially being raised after blackening, so theres a good chance Enma & Wado Ichimonji both become Supreme Grades by EOS

[dense haven]

usopp has done nothing to be worthy of ragnir

[frigid gulch]

I think this incident could wrap up next chapter

At best the next one

But I feel the one after will probably show the after events too

[hot cairn]

yeah perhaps, I hope we get the fruit reveal too

[ashen perch]

I think Harald dies by the end of the next chapter, and then the one after is like the aftermath

[runic dock]

Incident could wrap up but not the flashback because we’re gonna get extra bits like how Loki got chained up

[hot cairn]

the aftermath includes Loki's travels

[grand flower]

Id have smacked tf outta ragnir

[hollow dove]

The best Usopp could ever pull off I reckon is successfully lying about wielding Ragnir

[pulsar path]

Who grades the weapons ? Wata or PSA ?

[ashen perch]

[iron oriole]

We wont get Loki's travels here

[hot cairn]

yeah

[grand flower]

Ragnir might like him tbh

[frigid gulch]

Oda could cut it just short

[pulsar path]

Usopp is a sword

[runic dock]

Well if ragnir is already talking and stuff and flies on its own , it can just adjust its weight to fit Usopp if it wants him to wield it

[frigid gulch]

Right where Loki escapes from being crucified

[blazing depot]

Guys

[iron oriole]

Beckett, Supreme Grades are black labels

[tranquil blade]

[blazing depot]

What if Loki lied about his backstory to make us feel bad

[pulsar path]

Ah I shoulda known

[hollow dove]

Y’all really want Usopp to Dio Loki’s stuff off him? Dang

[grand flower]

Ragnir is doint all the motion/momentum and usopp is pretending he’s swinging it

[runic dock]

That’s exactly it yeah

[frozen aspen]

then je is evil like law and bb will punish him

[leaden python]

I can see why most people think Loki killed the "benevolent" king herald.
It's as if Loki wants everyoneto view the situation that way - to protect his father's image and the effort he went through even though he knew herald fucked up

[hollow dove]

Can’t wait for next chapter though, may finally have the legendary fruit reveal in full

[pulsar path]

It's like dumb to use a graded sword in a tournament it's like you are destroying the value

[dense haven]

what if kid is controlling ragnir

[hot cairn]

ragnir is not talking tho that's just one of those spoiler providers things where everyone believes it without reading the chapter

[leaden python]

Loki is really a kindhearted person, I can see why luffy asked him to join the crew

[runic dock]

Technically that’s also still LYING about welding it

Holy peak

[hot cairn]

it's clearly not talking

[runic dock]

It’s gonna happen

[grand flower]

@hollow dove @hot cairn @ashen perch who fucking with me fr

[runic dock]

It still flies on its own , I guess the talking part isn’t really important here

[ashen perch]

Cooked

[pulsar path]

It's crazy that out of all the characters talked about related to today's chapter kids name has been mentioned a lot lol

[shadow vault]

Ragnir hammer is 100% magic bullshitery

[golden valley]

Usopp isn’t getting Ragnir with Loki alive

[hollow dove]

It’s truly possible, even if it’s not magnetic with awakening Kid gonna bind that hunk of a hammer professionally to him or his punk rotten creation to wield it

[hot cairn]

i need it

[golden valley]

But Usopp should get a sentient weapon

[runic dock]

Loki could let him

[hollow dove]

My double standards against Usopp yet for Kid are real

[grand flower]

You don’t have to bring my psychological health into it

[glacial bear]

Sogeking gifted Loki the Ragnir hammer

[golden valley]

No shot

[pulsar path]

What if it falls in love with sopp like Zeus and NamI but bestys not slave

[blazing depot]

I better not see you switch up when it happens

[shadow vault]

No zoan confimed and not even big mom soul 100% that hammer move on its own with magic bullshitery

[ashen perch]

Ragnir is his, its happening, its been happening since Usopp fought Page One and said "man I don't have close ranged weapons for this"

[golden valley]

Hmmm

[grand flower]

@stone tulip

[golden valley]

Not a bad idea

[hot cairn]

what would be Usopp's ragnir? I dont think Ragnir can be lifted by everyone but Loki

[pulsar path]

It would be hilarious