all analog still
#also-manga
ashen perch
brittle basin
OK. then digital is just him concepting out his color spreads
ashen perch
yeah, he has drawn a couple of full digital pieces here and there, but the manga remains untouched by digital
because Oda is a big traditionalist
well actually, there is one drawing in that manga that I suspect to be digital, it looks quite different
this
nothing like his usual shading at all, pretty much 100% sure that he did this digitally
dense haven
ai slop
prisma yacht
Prolly was just checking it out lol
ashen perch
spoilers usually dont come out till like, 15 hours from now
ashen perch
Prolly was just checking it out lol
nah, he has been practicing digital for like 10 years
prisma yacht
Ohhh didn't know that
ashen perch
he mentioned that he bought a graphic tab back in like 2016
prisma yacht
I am trying to go spoiler free
Goodlucks 
ashen perch
and its not his first digital piece, a lot of his pieces in the OP magazines seem to be digital
distant vine
Kaido's club when its told to actually kill someone:
hot cairn
think the first thing we'll see when we return is a Loki and Hajrudin reconciliation and Loki being freed
hype hype
indigo yacht
This one seems digital
ashen perch
and its not his first digital piece, a lot of his pieces in the OP magazines see...
you can tell because Oda is abusing the fuck out of lens flares in there
the 2nd in particular is insane, its so much better in his wip
distant vine
Theyre going to be so mad when they clash lmao
prisma yacht
Lmao that smile
tranquil blade
Oda does a lot of the side artwork stuff digitally but he seems to prefer keeping the actual manga traditional
dense haven
they aint ready for cocby
prisma yacht
No one is
rose rune
you can tell because Oda is abusing the fuck out of lens flares in there
I've missed lens flare... man I haven't used it in ages
hot cairn
Theyre going to be so mad when they clash lmao
lmao I've seen people react like this because of the Koby line but they're in for a rude awakening when they see Koby hanging out with the top tiers
ashen perch
you can tell because Oda is abusing the fuck out of lens flares in there
clean, what the manga would look like if he was drawing digitally
tranquil blade
lmao I've seen people react like this because of the Koby line but they're in fo...
He will be
prisma yacht
Theyre going to be so mad when they clash lmao
Stupid hate
tranquil blade
clean, what the manga would look like if he was drawing digitally
Boa would be blond? Count me out
ashen perch
lmao I mean like with more inking smh
tranquil blade
I hate that she kinda looks like Vivi when her hair isnt inked in
hot cairn
He will be
Koby vs Kuzan will break some people fr
prisma yacht
honest garden
i'm... going to need a minute.......... i'm fucking sick
tranquil blade
Just give in
You're like a little devil sitting on someone's shoulder telling them to bad things
hazy turret
honest garden
You're like a little devil sitting on someone's shoulder telling them to bad thi...
What if she's telling someone to give in to going to the gym
rose rune
What if she's telling someone to give in to going to the gym
she's just telling khalid that it's ok to use a car without spoilers
you don't need a fancy car
prisma yacht
https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-man-guy-evil-whisper-gif-16225917572032847521
this is rokaya
rose rune
and spoilers look silly anyways
honest garden
It's really better to not use a spoiler unless you're racing or something
haughty saddle
imagine getting a car and saying yeah, they gotta start putting tails on these things
rose rune
imagine getting a car and saying yeah, they gotta start putting tails on these t...
furries
tranquil blade
What if she's telling someone to give in to going to the gym
It's probably the Evil Gym™ then
honest garden
Yeah everyone just eats food
rose rune
I actually opened a package of chorizo sausages today which apparently were older than I thought, they were slimy as fuck
honest garden
Still ok to eat right?
rose rune
but unlike someone I know I didn't try
maiden saffron
rose rune
Still ok to eat right?
friend of mine ate slimy meat once, he got food poisoned obviously
sage temple
honest garden
friend of mine ate slimy meat once, he got food poisoned obviously
Pussy ass bitch 😆
sage temple
maiden saffron
I think in my 14 or so years of watching one piece, this is the single best luffy frame of all time
honest garden
Cool, I hope people change their impression of g5 being too serious
sage temple
friend of mine ate slimy meat once, he got food poisoned obviously
noita reference
honest garden
Er, the exact opposite of what i said
maiden saffron
who cares what they think anyway
dense haven
rose rune
noita reference
fun game
honest garden
I want as many people to like one piece as possible ❤️
trim lily
we live in a post-gatekeeping world
sage temple
I think in my 14 or so years of watching one piece, this is the single best luff...
Can't wait to see how the anime portrays him sensing Loki
dense haven
can't wait to see how the anime portrays loki being one shot
maiden saffron
it does make me happy how popular one piece became post-covid though
grand flower
@ashen perch unmute meek or we gon have problems
grand flower
Listen
sage temple
Dude gets punished for everything except breaking the rules
hazy turret
<@393700846707146754> unmute meek or we gon have problems
Fun fact: Discord has something called DMs which stands for “Direct Messages”
grand flower
Fun fact: Discord has something called DMs which stands for “Direct Messages”
You tryna slide in mine or sumn?
hazy turret
I’d rather die
grand flower
She can’t handle the kid
muted marsh
Aura
vale heath
DMing shuron and loredumping splatoon
ashen perch
<@393700846707146754> unmute meek or we gon have problems
he asked for it pretty sure
go ask him
grand flower
He asked me to ask you that
honest garden
Meek hop back on the school books little bro
grand flower
honest garden
If you can't get a higher score than me you're a bum, Meek
brittle basin
i'm pretty sure one of the mods was getting a tad serious about Meek doing this, suggesting it may backfire on Meek
grand flower
Damn socrates the feds
sage temple
And mute Shuron while you're at it
grand flower
i'm pretty sure one of the mods was getting a tad serious about Meek doing this,...
Oop
vale heath
get some
sage temple
Damn socrates the feds
If I snitch on 20 people by the end of the year I become a mod
Ask any mod
grand flower
If I snitch on 20 people by the end of the year I become a mod
You’d join the holy knights
grand flower
Ask any mod
Ion talk to police
sage temple
You’d join the holy knights
vale heath
would you talk to garp
ashen perch
tell him no, he'll be fine
grand flower
tell him no, he'll be fine
Okay
grand flower
would you talk to garp
DMAN
vale heath
no see D-Men are those guys in Super Paper Mario
i said garp, the character from One Piece
glacial bear
no see D-Men are those guys in Super Paper Mario
Oh from the underwhere?
prisma idol
What is meek muted for?
vale heath
Oh from the underwhere?
yeah exactly
glacial bear
I loved that game
vale heath
SPM is fine
trim lily
What is meek muted for?
wanted to focus on school
vale heath
People that hate on it just want it to be something it's not
glacial bear
Thousand Year door was good
vale heath
There's a reason it's not called Paper Mario 3
prisma idol
wanted to focus on school
Imagine focusing on School
trim lily
so glue
glacial bear
SPM touched on all the different themes of love. Which was fun
prisma idol
What a nerd
glacial bear
Parental love, romantic love, etc etc
vale heath
hateful love
vale heath
I like high cosmologies, so a dimension-stretching black hole that's eating heaven and hell is exactly what i want
glacial bear
Mhm. That was like- scary when it kept getting bigger and bigger to me as a kid
Especially when on 1 level. That world suddenly ended
It was that gauntlet level. Where Mimi showed up
And then later Dimentio & Mr L if I remember correctly? I’m not sure
Ah. Nostalgic
And honestly quite fitting since the topic of Elbaph seems to be centered around Love
Rocks, Harald, Gaban, Sommers, etc
glacial bear
Gloriosa & Charlotte Linlin having different perspectives of Love was also an interesting difference of opinion
glacial bear
https://img2.gelbooru.com//samples/2c/d2/sample_2cd21c2923265a5ed7969b7021b2d267...
Probably a diagram of what each character cares for lol
tranquil blade
https://img2.gelbooru.com//samples/2c/d2/sample_2cd21c2923265a5ed7969b7021b2d267...
Gunko is a fujoshi
That's what it means
glacial bear
I find it funny how nobody loves Garling
Even at GV, Saint Maffey Satchel called Garling a prick 😭
tranquil blade
Well actually wait maybe not let me think here
vale heath
is the bottom right to imply gunko doesn't think nusjuro's sword likes nusjuro
tranquil blade
Probably yeah
glacial bear
Maybe due to it being a cursed Sword
tranquil blade
Well also probably because the guy who made it wouldnt like Nusjuro either
glacial bear
And testing the fortune of its welder
Mhm.
Since Nusjuro is immortal, that’s probably why it doesn’t affect him
Whereas the 3rd Kitetsu sword accepted Zoro
formal wagon
egghead when it sees what month it is
dense haven
this is the face luffy made when he saw vegapunk dead right
formal wagon
idk
urban lodge
It's from the new episode
tranquil blade
No he made that face cause of the haki knot
urban lodge
From the Joyboy haki
leaden rivet
Something awakened inside of him
formal wagon
haki knot is a lot scarier than friend die
dense haven
joyboy possession
tranquil blade
Luffy: "That blast felt like my own haki..."
latent hamlet
this shot before that makes luffy look evil
frozen ravine
nika is evil
tranquil blade
Luffy: "That blast felt like my own haki..."
vale heath
do we know who provides the voice of the attendant on the left in this scene
dense haven
thats supposed to be gunko
vale heath
oh saturn dies next episode doesn't he
dense haven
I was so hyped for imus servant before the reveal
tranquil blade
Well the teeth count suggest Saturn is actually alive
trim lily
the teeth conspiracy will be true
brittle basin
egghead when it sees what month it is
Gear Psycho
grand flower
Well the teeth count suggest Saturn is actually alive
I miss him and his mother
celest mauve
this shot before that makes luffy look evil
I've been seeing this shot everywhere, why do people like it so much
fallen meteor
i feel its weird if the attendant is gunko or not
she was "the attendant" back before she was a blade in GV
does she keep both functions?
grand flower
I've been seeing this shot everywhere, why do people like it so much
Luffy looks sexy af
fallen meteor
or is there another attendant now
brittle basin
I miss him and his mother
His who?
celest mauve
Luffy looks sexy af
another L for the luffy infantilization fans
thick mango
It's kinda interesting how kuma and doffy are introduced together and they're opposites in many ways
brittle basin
Merrys mother
I thought you were saying Saturn had a mother.
grand flower
another L for the luffy infantilization fans
It’s pretty funny how people treat Luffy like he wouldn’t know what sex is
As if Luffy didnt pretty much live in the wilderness
celest mauve
It’s pretty funny how people treat Luffy like he wouldn’t know what sex is
he very likely does and just doesn't care
like everyone in the crew besides sanji ig
grand flower
I imagine franky, Nami, Robin and Brook are into it
Zoro is too sigma
Chopper is a wee lad
celest mauve
not nami, she got embarrassed by just the sight of a fake kiss
grand flower
Zoro is too sigma
Till Sanjis gay awakens him
Nami likes kalifa and Vivi tho
Shes just gay
celest mauve
yeah totally
knotty bone
like everyone in the crew besides sanji ig
Nami uses the Happiness Punch effectively
celest mauve
Nami uses the Happiness Punch effectively
not the same as liking having sex
she doesn't like kalifa or vivi or anyone else like that no matter what shuron or others say
knotty bone
not the same as liking having sex
All you said is others act like it doesn't exist. Not that they like or dislike it
celest mauve
All you said is others act like it doesn't exist. Not that they like or dislike...
and shuron said nami, franky, robin and brook would be into it, so I was disagreeing
grand flower
Nami was into kalifa
celest mauve
it was a joke
knotty bone
Fair
celest mauve
it's presented as such an OOC moment that nami caught herself on it and didn't show interest again
I don't read that as actual interest
she had kalifa naked in front of her twice and had nothing to say either time lol
leaden rivet
Luffy is somewhat lucid on that aspect
knotty bone
Jinbe is probably only interested in fish people, That's why he seems oblivious
grand flower
naked =/= appeal
leaden rivet
People think Hancock could deceive him into marriage when he seems to know what marriage is and has rejected her a few times
celest mauve
yes he literally even said "thanks for the food" directly after rejecting her
he knows
leaden rivet
I think people are conflating him with another shonen mc
knotty bone
I don't like this topic
brittle basin
everyone check the poll in <#164971940648321024> please
done and done.
leaden rivet
As far as people infantilizing Luffy the story does 99% of that already for us lol
vale heath
urban lodge
Socrates' worst nightmare
celest mauve
As far as people infantilizing Luffy the story does 99% of that already for us l...
the story has him be stupid for comedic moments, but oda never presents him like an actual child in serious moments
brittle basin
Proof that his eyes are a good thing
celest mauve
naked =/= appeal
I didn't respond to this earlier but what logic is this lol, oda never misses a chance to have sanji or other people actually into women go nuts when a naked woman is around
leaden rivet
The line between gag and reality is often blurry at times in one piece. I feel like even in his serious moments he still often displays the child like naievety. Especially post time skip.
But he’s also just much more mature I think than people give him credit for
celest mauve
grown-ass nearly 20 year old guy leading a crew to the top of the world, he's no child
grand flower
I didn't respond to this earlier but what logic is this lol, oda never misses a ...
Sure but Nami is a mature character lol
honest garden
The story just isn't about that, Luffy just doesn't care
grand flower
Shes not gonna go stupid just because a woman is naked
There’s a difference between a person being naked and a person actually exuding their sex appeal and attempting to seduce
celest mauve
Shes not gonna go stupid just because a woman is naked
she has quite literally never blushed or commented or anything in scenarios like being in bathhouses or whatever
grand flower
I’m not finished
celest mauve
she's even seen hancock along with the rest of the crew in sabaody and she had zero interest
grand flower
There’s a difference between a person being naked and a person actually exuding ...
When Kalifa actually did something sexy, Nami was swept up in it
celest mauve
"swept up" it was one tiny panel and she didn't even blush
immediately said she's talking like an old man and then called kalifa stupid the next page
grand flower
Idc to address you misrepresenting what happened in that scene
Regardless, my point is that Nami is a mature character and that’s why you don’t see her losing her composure at the mere sight of a pretty or naked woman
It wasn’t till Kalifa did something sexy that Nami felt something and snapped herself out of it
celest mauve
I mean you're taking that one joke scene and then asserting that nami must be super gay and into women even though there's like no evidence of that
it's a headcanon
grand flower
A scene being comedic doesn’t change that it actually happened
The scene is played for laughs
But Nami still expresses interest in Kalifa
celest mauve
yeah and her saying she's talking like someone else, and having no reaction to seeing kalifa naked also happened
leaden rivet
grown-ass nearly 20 year old guy leading a crew to the top of the world, he's no...
Which is why he intentionally took a dangerous route out of Wano and potentially got his crew killed
grand flower
yeah and her saying she's talking like someone else, and having no reaction to s...
You can take it that way
celest mauve
Which is why he intentionally took a dangerous route out of Wano and potentially...
that's stupidity, not being a literal child
grand flower
I take it as, there is a difference between someone just being naked and a person being sexy
It makes sense Nami reacts to the former and not the latter since she’s supposed to be a mature character
leaden rivet
I take it as childish, because he only did that because kid teased him.
celest mauve
I take it as an unimportant joke completely un-indicative of what nami might be into, she's shown no interest in any of that stuff generally and has been much more concerned about money and treasure lol
grand flower
Whitebeard has been more interested in money and family than women
His interest in Shakky is still real
Frequency doesnt mean a thing
She’s still done it
Nami showing attraction toward a woman one time is still Nami has shown attraction toward women
grand flower
<@1248961351376699470>
Me and Jesus Christ of Nazareth are exactly the same tbh
celest mauve
Nami showing attraction toward a woman one time is still Nami has shown attracti...
that clear interest with heart eyes and all isn't the same thing as nami having no heart eyes, no blush, saying she's talking like someone else and then having no reaction to the same woman even while naked
ashen perch
Buggy believing in your theory was too dangerous
he posted it on Twitter and it got like a million views I am pretty sure
grand flower
that clear interest with heart eyes and all isn't the same thing as nami having ...
I’ve said addressed that last point to no rebuttal too many times to keep doing it
ashen perch
naturally its now ending up on all sorts of places lol
latent hamlet
I've been seeing this shot everywhere, why do people like it so much
lower angle plus face makes him look more menacing
leaden rivet
Time travel is genuinely the worst plot device in fiction, mix it with one piece and it’s hell
grand flower
Secondly, Nami commenting that she doesn’t sound like herself is just because she doesn’t typically lose her composure due to feelings of lust or attraction
celest mauve
I’ve said addressed that last point to no rebuttal too many times to keep doing ...
ok, wanna move on then? because I'd sooner believe nami could be into usopp based on her having him motorboat her and calling him manly lol
grand flower
That doesn’t mean her attraction to Kalifa wasn’t real
It just means the way she expressed it was unusual for her
Because Kalifa is that pretty
celest mauve
I think it was entirely a joke my guy
grand flower
Nami still factually feels attraction to her
celest mauve
nah she didn't
grand flower
Yes she did lol
celest mauve
nope
grand flower
She straight up expressed desire for Kalifa
ashen perch
She has affectionately commented on the appearance of a woman more times than any man ever (0), it definitely stands out
leaden rivet
Nuh uh yuh uh Nuh uh
celest mauve
"wait I'm talking like an old guy"
grand flower
She just catches herself for doing so crudely
grand flower
"wait I'm talking like an old guy"
Yes
celest mauve
She has affectionately commented on the appearance of a woman more times than an...
she called usopp manly in sabaody
grand flower
She catches herself for the way she expressed her feelings
But that is still what she felt
ashen perch
She has affectionately commented on the appearance of a woman more times than an...
calling Kalifa sexy, pointing out that Cindry is really pretty, 2 more than 0!
grand flower
She says she wanted to sit Kalifa on her lap or something
ashen perch
she called usopp manly in sabaody
eh its not the same at all lol
spice cairn
Nami is very gay
celest mauve
She says she wanted to sit Kalifa on her lap or something
ok I really don't think you remember that scene at all
grand flower
The joke is that Nami wouldn’t normally talk like that
spice cairn
Pretty widely accepted fact and peer reviewed by various studious scholars
celest mauve
eh its not the same at all lol
how is it not the same, you said commenting on a man's appearance and she did that with usopp
ashen perch
"wait I'm talking like an old guy"
also this doesnt change anything, its Oda making a little "I am no better than a man!" joke
pulsar path
Me and Jesus Christ of Nazareth are exactly the same tbh
Speaking the one piece time travel Gospel
ashen perch
affectionately, I dont think that scene was like that at all lol
grand flower
celest mauve
also this doesnt change anything, its Oda making a little "I am no better than a...
the reason why I don't see it as attraction is because nami has seen kalifa naked, other women naked, and even hancock herself and showed no interest in any of those scenes
leaden rivet
Tera that is AT LEAST a little gay
celest mauve
nami totally said "sit in my lap kalifa 😩 "
grand flower
She catches herself for how she talks
leaden rivet
ashen perch
that is ridiculously gay
grand flower
But what shes talking about is still genuine
Kalifa strikes a pose and it successfully entices Nami
leaden rivet
Like if a guy said that about another guy it would be no question lol
ashen perch
you cant deny it, like its quite blatant I think
celest mauve
it is gay and that's the joke, nami doesn't actually feel that way and that's why she says she's talking like someone else
honest garden
Do you have to be sexually attracted to someone to compliment them
grand flower
No the joke is Nami doesnt normally talk that way
leaden rivet
Do you have to be sexually attracted to someone to compliment them
Yes. You’re so beautiful today mushy.
grand flower
Not that Nami is expressing something she doesn’t actually feel
ashen perch
its more than a compliment though, calling Cindry very pretty is a genuine compliment so I dont necessarily look into that much
honest garden
Yes. You’re so beautiful today mushy.
Wow you're mushysexual, now you can be shipped to other characters I like
celest mauve
Not that Nami is expressing something she doesn’t actually feel
she doesn't feel genuine attraction there because she's not even blushing
grand flower
Lmao that’s your standard?
celest mauve
that's oda's standard
ashen perch
its more than a compliment though, calling Cindry very pretty is a genuine compl...
but this is straight up real attraction
celest mauve
heart eyes or a blush at minimum, and certainly no "wait I'm talking like someone else"
honest garden
its more than a compliment though, calling Cindry very pretty is a genuine compl...
Kalifa being naked is sexy, Cindry was more understated and so pretty
inner agate
Do you have to be sexually attracted to someone to compliment them
if ur calling them sexy then yeah??
dense haven
idk I call my homies sexy all the time
ashen perch
called her sexy and then wished that she had a secretary like her all to herself lol
honest garden
if ur calling them sexy then yeah??
You can recognize someone having sexy qualities without being attracted to them
inner agate
kalifa was her enemy if they were friends it would make sense
leaden rivet
Seems a little fake and gay
honest garden
called her sexy and then wished that she had a secretary like her all to herself...
I'm not attracted to peanut wood, but I want a peanut wood desk
dense haven
gake and fay
grand flower
that's oda's standard
celest mauve
does he ever deny feeling some way for shakky
ashen perch
I doubt you think a desk is sexy
grand flower
Idk what you asking me that for
This is Whitebeard expressing desire toward Shakky without heart eyes, without blushing
dense haven
some people REALLY like desks
grand flower
So no, depicting desire doesnt need heart eyes and blushing
leaden rivet
Arsal kink shaming in big 2025
dense haven
if you ever watched code geass you'd know
ashen perch
does he ever deny feeling some way for shakky
kind of, he doesnt have heart eyes or a crazy expression but his heart still pops out, so its something he cant hide
celest mauve
does he say something like "wait I'm talking like that idiot rocks"?
honest garden
I doubt you think a desk is sexy
I want a high quality desk, and a sexy secretary
ashen perch
kind of, he doesnt have heart eyes or a crazy expression but his heart still pop...
but hes trying to hide it for sure
grand flower
does he say something like "wait I'm talking like that idiot rocks"?
That’s Nami catching herself for how she’s talking, not what she’s talking about
frozen ravine
solemn reef
What are we even arguing
celest mauve
idk it's stupid
dense haven
are desks sexy
leaden rivet
How gay Nami is
solemn reef
are desks sexy
Huh
leaden rivet
On a scale of 1 to 10
honest garden
I made an analogy so now we have to discuss desks being sexy
solemn reef
How gay is Nami what bs is this
ashen perch
yknow I gotta find how stephen translated that actually, lemme see because old viz does weird things
celest mauve
That’s Nami catching herself for how she’s talking, not what she’s talking about
idrc, it was very clearly presented as a scene of nami saying something she would never say because oda wanted to make a joke about old men and sexy secretaries
solemn reef
These Nami homosexual arguments get heated on Twitter
Jobless arguments
celest mauve
and it's not even because of all that, she's seen so many pretty women and even the most beautiful one and hasn't shown the tiniest bit of interest
grand flower
idrc, it was very clearly presented as a scene of nami saying something she woul...
None of that means Nami didnt genuinely feel that tho
celest mauve
None of that means Nami didnt genuinely feel that tho
she didn't 
grand flower
And your proof is what?
celest mauve
the complete lack of interest when kalifa was in the bath or when nami ripped her clothes up
leaden rivet
Jobless arguments
You can’t attempt to have a sense of superiority while being on discord
grand flower
All that means is Nami was able to keep her composure
leaden rivet
We’re all on the same level here
celest mauve
nope, it means she was not interested
solemn reef
You can’t attempt to have a sense of superiority while being on discord
True but this argument is like next lvl stupidity
grand flower
We know that’s not true because we saw her be interested lol
celest mauve
and it was a joke
leaden rivet
I actually like arguments like these because they don’t happen often here
grand flower
The joke being she lost her composure
honest garden
And so the circle continues....
celest mauve
the joke being she didn't feel that way and so said something completely OOC
solemn reef
I actually like arguments like these because they don’t happen often here
Argument assuming what a character feels
grand flower
Nope, its the same thing as Zoro vs Kaku in the same arc
I can’t remember what it was exactly
But there’s a moment where Zoro comedically reacts to something Kaku does
celest mauve
I genuinely think nami and carina's whole thing in film gold could be better "proof" of nami potentially liking women than that dumbass scene with kalifa lol
grand flower
Kaku gets mad and Zoro immediately goes “damn why’d I blurt that out like that? I have to stay focused”
ashen perch
yknow I gotta find how stephen translated that actually, lemme see because old v...
Nami: Wow, that's so sexy... I sure wish I had a secretary like that!!...wait, I'm not a man!!
slightly different
honest garden
I actually like arguments like these because they don’t happen often here
I think most people here don't care that much. Arguing about her sexual attraction one way within the story misses the fact that this story isn't about romance (for the most part)
grand flower
A character losing their composure and blurting out something they didn’t mean to say doesnt mean they didn’t feel it
celest mauve
she felt nothing genuine, it is what it is
grand flower
It just means they normally wouldn’t have said it
leaden rivet
I think most people here don't care *that* much. Arguing about her sexual attrac...
I feel like at the end of the day
Oda isn’t going to make a strawhat in a gay relationship
grand flower
You can assume that’s the case if you want to
leaden rivet
He doesn’t even really want to make any characters gay to begin with
celest mauve
very safely can based on the total lack of interest since then
celest mauve
He doesn’t even really want to make any characters gay to begin with
doesn't make characters gay, doesn't write a single queer couple, but he's so progressive because of the caricatures he called the okama
dense haven
oda might be a bigot
celest mauve
and honestly he's still done more than most other WSJ mangaka even with that
grand flower
Oda was writing that hormones can transition your gender in a time when people were still using trans characters as “haha you kissed a man” as comedic fodder
celest mauve
kiku for sure yeah
solemn reef
Why do people care so much of these things
grand flower
Oda depicted Ivankov using neo-pronouns like 15 years before the current time where people are still hard pressed to respect preferred pronouns
celest mauve
idk I felt like arguing tbh
honest garden
Everyone is biased but me
grand flower
He’s clearly very progressive
trim lily
Why do people care so much of these things
fun topics to think about
leaden rivet
Kiku is good rep, Yamato….idk
grand flower
Oda cares about queer representation so much he doesn’t even use bigotry against queer folk as characterization for his antagonists
trim lily
i still dont know what oda is doing with yammy
celest mauve
Kiku is good rep, Yamato….idk
yamato is a trainwreck
grand flower
Kaido will enslave old people and murder children but he won’t misgender Yamato lol
trim lily
w kaido
honest garden
Yamato is a complete character, I just don't think their gender is a massive part of her character
urban lodge
My progressive king
solemn reef
Oda cares about queer representation so much he doesn’t even use bigotry against...
Or maybe he does it for the community
grand flower
Or maybe he does it for the community
I mean Oda created Iva and Bon Clay because he liked to go get drunk at queer bars when he was a young man
He def cares about the queer community
brittle basin
I mean Oda created Iva and Bon Clay because he liked to go get drunk at queer ba...
I did not know this.
honest garden
I think what Oda was going for with Yamato fits squarely in the boxes of the western fanbase
dense haven
oda went to gay bars with sandman
solemn reef
I mean Oda created Iva and Bon Clay because he liked to go get drunk at queer ba...
What the helly
brittle basin
Sandman was the bartender
grand flower
What Oda was going for with Yamato feels pretty clearly to me to be an acknowledgment that there is no universal basis for gender identity
Queer people will have their own reasons and motivations for their queer identities and trying to box their experiences into neat lines defeats the point
All the people arguing that Yamato “isn’t really trans, he just wants to be like Oden” are underestimating how vast that experience can be and how people can fall into that identity for whatever reason they feel fit
leaden rivet
this double click discord feature is so dumb
grand flower
This is despite the fact that Yamato clearly says “I am Yamato, the SON of Kaido”
Distinct from his replication of Oden
trim lily
oh yeah discord added like instant reacts
dense haven
solemn reef
That disgusting
grand flower
People going “Yamato isnt a trans man because its not the RIGHT way to be a trans man” are ironically reductive to the entire experience
trim lily
what a treasure sandman is
grand flower
There is no one way to live the trans experience, individuals have different thresholds for what that means to them
celest mauve
yamato should be a good character first imo
grand flower
To this day I have no idea why people made Yamato so complicated when he literally says “I am the son of Kaido” numerous times
Yamato is a good character when you understand what a foil is
Yamato, Momo, Oden and Kaido are all foils of each other
leaden rivet
oh yeah discord added like instant reacts
Going to be like super reacts where no one uses them lol
dense haven
I used it when they gave it for free
urban lodge
You can't even turn this garbage off
trim lily
discord moment
sage temple
What are we even arguing
Least pointless argument during pre-chapter week
grand flower
“A father who was so unruly in his youth gets exiled becausw they couldn’t handle him and has a child while sailing the grand line before settling in Wano” applies to both Kaido and Oden
dense haven
like sending a giga cope react to someone wasvery nice
trim lily
i look forward to what else theyll add that not a single soul asked for
dense haven
but im not paying for that
sage temple
I remember when Yamato's gender as a general topic wasn't supposed to be spoken about
grand flower
The scene of Kaido projecting his experiences onto Yamato during their fight is the firm establishment of Yamato being a foil to Kaido
sage temple
grand flower
Kaido puts Yamato thru everything that Kaido excuses his evil with
trim lily
I remember when Yamato's gender as a general topic wasn't supposed to be spoken ...
if people can be normal about it its fine
but thats often not the case in a discord as big as this
grand flower
Yamato comes out of it a decent person because, unlike Kaido, Yamato was shown kindness and humanity
You know
ashen perch
All the people arguing that Yamato “isn’t really trans, he just wants to be like...
At the time, people really used to argue that it was something he would get over when he becomes his own person, that its something that Wano would end with lol, and while that was always a weird thing to say, its especially a non argument now basically. This is who Yamato wants to be, his identity has manifested through his admiration for Oden, that too is just fine.
grand flower
A foil
solemn reef
if people can be normal about it its fine
Normal
sage temple
if people can be normal about it its fine
Without order we are animals
leaden rivet
Also manga is just slightly more mature than manga
So this conversation is still civil
Just slightly
ashen perch
and yea the problem is people being weird about it, generally
grand flower
At the time, people really used to argue that it was something he would get over...
People who thought Luffy was gonna go “no Yamato you are not Oden” are dumb as fuck tbh
sage temple
Slow ahh gif
ashen perch
though we do still try to avoid these topics because people can't stay not weird too long
grand flower
Luffy is the most “I accept you for who you want to be” Guy there is
sage temple
though we do still try to avoid these topics because people can't stay not weird...
Yeah someone dmmed me and said yall should switch topics to Loki
celest mauve
I still don't really like yamato and that cover story let me down even more tbh
ashen perch
People who thought Luffy was gonna go “no Yamato you are not Oden” are dumb as f...
yeah lol
solemn reef
though we do still try to avoid these topics because people can't stay not weird...
Well u mean u don’t want it to get to heated
celest mauve
im glad i got one final cope with the cover story
what is it
leaden rivet
I don’t like Yamato because I set my expectations differently than Oda’s plans
trim lily
sailing to elbaf lol
celest mauve
sailing to elbaf lol
lmao good luck on that
leaden rivet
But I don’t like her.
grand flower
yeah lol
The dumbest thing about it is that Yamato isn’t doing anything different than what Luffy does with Shanks
It’s just a gag that Yamato takes it as far as to assume the name
trim lily
yeah ive given up on yamato rejoining them in the near future
dense haven
But I don’t like her.
why dont you dislike oda
grand flower
But what Yamato is doing is just “whoa the way this guy lives is cool as fuck, I wanna live like that”
dense haven
I also expected something different but im choosing to blame oda
leaden rivet
I have my own seperate opinions on oda
grand flower
Flirting vs harassment meme but its Luffy not fighting in Jaya becausw he’s trying to emulate shanks vs Yamato
leaden rivet
But I feel like blaming the author for a character is the death of discussion
grand flower
Several aspects of luffys personality
leaden rivet
You just have to take the characters as they are, and hate on them specifically
grand flower
Like wanting a musician for his crew
sage temple
But I don’t like her.
I don't like her either
She gets compared to Loki way too much
grand flower
Is lifted wholesale from what he’s observed in Shanks
leaden rivet
Like sure I can hate on oda for making Shakky a terrible character but why do that when I can hate on Shakky herself
grand flower
But yeah, he’s gonna tell Yamato to knock it off lol
trim lily
She gets compared to Loki way too much
this might be the most unique reason ive seen in a long time
celest mauve
Like sure I can hate on oda for making Shakky a terrible character but why do th...
such a promising start, and then... yeah
sage temple
this might be the most unique reason ive seen in a long time
Socrates is full of original thoughts
trim lily
famously so
grand flower
She gets compared to Loki way too much
Lmao what
hazy turret
She gets compared to Loki way too much
That’s ridiculous! Yamato is a LOT more popular
leaden rivet
Its delusinalism
trim lily
we need another popularity poll
leaden rivet
An in server 1
dense haven
there is only 1 loki fan
ashen perch
Yamato was about a hundred times more popular, its not even close
trim lily
An in server 1
no official
sage temple
That’s ridiculous! Yamato is a LOT more popular
Just doesn't impact my opinion at all
maiden charm
there is only 1 loki fan
2
sage temple
But word
trim lily
server polls will never be fun as long as you can vote for the strawhats
leaden rivet
People aren’t even worried about Loki like that to begin with lol
sage temple
Ussop is popular but most of you wouldn't want him compared with your favorite character
trim lily
i dont think id mind usopp and pizarro being in the same discussion
hazy turret
Yamato is a better character than Loki currently so idk why you’re turning your nose up this much
maiden charm
i dont think id mind usopp and pizarro being in the same discussion
Pizarro is one of your faves?
thick mango
I think pizarro could do well in those usopp elbaf chest high pants
sage temple
So I'm just not allowed to dislike Yamato or I'm a terrible person
trim lily
Pizarro is one of your faves?
yep
grand flower
Ussop is popular but most of you wouldn't want him compared with your favorite c...
Usopp is very well written
sage temple
Usopp is very well written
Okay
grand flower
Youre thinking about this like a hype beast and not someone reading a real story
leaden rivet
Yamato is a better character than Loki currently so idk why you’re turning your ...
You’re questioning why Socrates Is doing this?
trim lily
as a whole
hazy turret
So I'm just not allowed to dislike Yamato or I'm a terrible person
Where did anyone say that
trim lily
whenever i see pizarro in a chapter i am very pleased
maiden charm
as a whole
Fascinating
trim lily
theres all sorts of people out there
leaden rivet
So I'm just not allowed to dislike Yamato or I'm a terrible person
You sound like a pick me girl
sage temple
You sound like a pick me girl
Maybe I am a pick me girl
hazy turret
Bro keeps the victim card on hand
maiden charm
One piece is like Pokemon, everyone is someone's favorite
trim lily
socrates is alone in his crusade to defend his beloved from the horde of haters
grand flower
It’s really a testament to how good OP is that 90% of the time someone says “I don’t like XYZ” the explanation is some BS
thick mango
Some people like Morgans and some people are incorrect. There's all sorts of types
brittle basin
I like Yamato, but about 90% for their color scheme.
hazy juniper
Some people like Morgans and some people are incorrect. There's all sorts of typ...
Real
sage temple
Bro keeps the victim card on hand
https://tenor.com/view/20-v-1-but-when-i-but-when-i-win-a-20-v-1-meme-funny-gif-16431494179924825722
hazy juniper
I love the big bird bastard
grand flower
https://tenor.com/view/20-v-1-but-when-i-but-when-i-win-a-20-v-1-meme-funny-gif-...
This nigga wearing jorts in the comfort of his own home
grand flower
I like Yamato, but about 90% for their color scheme.
Yamatos hair is cool af
trim lily
i really appreciate the old server poll for introducing me to characters like jew wall and tomato gang
brittle basin
If Yamato had a less appealing color scheme, I probably wouldn't give them a second thought outside their backstory which I do like.
maiden charm
I don’t like bird humans
This is an opinion that doesn't get expressed enough
leaden rivet
Yamatos design is the only thing I like about her
grand flower
I like a lot about Yamato
sage temple
I don't like a lot about Yamato
hazy turret
I liked Yamato as an arc side character, if she had joined the crew on the other hand
brittle basin
But two of my favorite characters, Yamato and Magellan, I like purely for surface level reasons.
leaden rivet
Yamato is like the only thing that I don’t like about Wano
trim lily
wow
sage temple
I've found my people
maiden charm
Bird people are like bottom tier ani-human hybrid
leaden rivet
Im a huge Wano defender unfortunately
grand flower
Metatextually I love how much he has with contrast and similarities with Kaido and Oden
trim lily
never wouldve expected it
urban lodge
I don't dislike Yamato the way I used to but I will never like him
brittle basin
I think I used to like Yamato more, but over time have cared less and less aside their visuals which I 110% love.
hazy turret
But two of my favorite characters, Yamato and Magellan, I like purely for surfac...
It’s time that we accept these as valid reasons to like characters
grand flower
Like the fact that Yamato and Momo were both born on ships in the same year, then came to Wano later in life
sage temple
I don't like Yamato's character either shes like a improvisation
trim lily
It’s time that we accept these as valid reasons to like characters
liking characters purely on design is 100% a valid reason
hazy turret
Yamato was born on a ship?
brittle basin
It’s time that we accept these as valid reasons to like characters
Sir poopsalot and Sideboob are my favorite characters.
grand flower
Yamato was born on a ship?
Yeah
thick mango
Vp is peak one piece design
grand flower
I don't like Yamato's character either shes like a improvisation
If you think Yamato is an improvisation, you weren’t paying attention
hazy turret
Yamato and Momo were both born in ships sailing the grand line
Literally why don’t I remember this
trim lily
i dont think its ever explicitly said yamato was born on a ship
sage temple
If you think Yamato is an improvisation, you weren’t paying attention
What if I'm the only one paying attention and everyone else isnt
trim lily
unless the wiki just didnt include it
tiny oak
Vp is peak one piece design
his design sucks it’s so basic. literally anyone would think to base him off albert einstein
urban lodge
It's not mentioned in the manga
brittle basin
<:booba:1208424945072209930>
This reminds me of a funny/dumb comment I saw once a few years back: "Yamato's sideboob is singlehandedly keeping Wano afloat."
grand flower
There’s a lot of detail put into completing that Yamato, Oden, Kaido and Momo exist in tandem with each other
maiden charm
I think I only liked Yamato because I wanted a new crew member. But I think Loki is waaaay better even tho I've accepted they'll just be allies by the end
thick mango
his design sucks it’s so basic. literally anyone would think to base him off alb...
That's just not true. Look at fan designs before the reveal.
grand flower
There’s a lot of detail put into completing that Yamato, Oden, Kaido and Momo ex...
Like the fact that Yamato takes on Odens name and fights for Wano, while Momo becomes a dragon like Kaido
trim lily
im indifferent on vegapunk's design
tiny oak
That's just not true. Look at fan designs before the reveal.
yea huh it’s true oda said so he regrets the design
trim lily
its certainly unique but i dont know if i like it lol
leaden rivet
I don’t really like ugly things
thick mango
yea huh it’s true oda said so he regrets the design
I dunno if that's true and even if it is I don't care. Oda can be wrong. Look at pell
brittle basin
Loki would make a far, far, FAR better crewmate than Yamato. By like a country mile.
leaden rivet
Until he flips over and capsizes the ship
grand flower
Theyre about the same tbh
brittle basin
Yamato would've been good as an Oden stand-in, and because you feel bad for how long they were prevented from traveling the outside world. But Loki wins easily.
urban lodge
Neither of them would be good crewmates tbh
maiden charm
Until he flips over and capsizes the ship
Bibelot gonna shrink him first
grand flower
Loki doesnt really have anything on Yamato
tiny oak
I dunno if that's true and even if it is I don't care. Oda can be wrong. Look at...
um no oda is always right it’s in the most recent sbs, he said he wishes he made vegapunk a femboy. literally one google search and you’re wrong just look it up
leaden rivet
Yamato would bring a top 3 worst op gag to a crew who half their characters are gags
grand flower
um no oda is always right it’s in the most recent sbs, he said he wishes he made...
I remember this
brittle basin
But Loki won't join unless there's a way to shrink him, nor do I expect him to join. But he's far more interesting to me.
trim lily
loki would first have to be kneecapped so hes weaker than zoro
urban lodge
It's very annoying
leaden rivet
Sanji Hancock and Yamato are the worst to me
urban lodge
I think it's valid
tiny oak
I remember this
u get me
urban lodge
And also tone deaf
thick mango
um no oda is always right it’s in the most recent sbs, he said he wishes he made...
I don't think anyone ever wished any character were a femboy instead. Bottom of the barrel for characters. That's just a tautology.
dense haven
why tone deaf
hazy turret
What gag are we talking about exactly…?
sage temple
Loki doesnt really have anything on Yamato
Story importance for 1
brittle basin
Yamato has a gag I guess, but it was rarely used save for making Momo hide in their boobs or something. They took the Oden thing very seriously.
urban lodge
Telling the 8 year old who recently lost his father that he is his dead father and we're just supposed to find it funny and endearing
sage temple
What gag are we talking about exactly…?
Maybe being an Oden mega fan
thick mango
https://tenor.com/view/fem-law-woman-law-girl-law-traf-trafalgar-gif-22699451838...
It's OK to have bad opinions lots of people do
sage temple
Idk
sage temple
Mega fans are funny
leaden rivet
Cosplaying dead father gag
sage temple
Like Barto
hazy turret
Telling the 8 year old who recently lost his father that he is his dead father a...
Mmm
leaden rivet
She’s not a mega fan she’s a weirdo
thick mango
https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-dressrosa-dellinger-dellinger-one-piece-gif-277...
You really coming at me with the single worst character in one piece
brittle basin
Telling the 8 year old who recently lost his father that he is his dead father a...
It borders on psychotic to me. What a wild ass thing to say to Momo lmfao
grand flower
Telling the 8 year old who recently lost his father that he is his dead father a...
But why get upset about this when Momo didnt lol
dense haven
Telling the 8 year old who recently lost his father that he is his dead father a...
thats certainly a take
tiny oak
It's OK to have bad opinions lots of people do
kinda like how you think vegapunks design is anything but trash
sage temple
Not disagreeing with that at all
leaden rivet
It borders on psychotic to me. What a wild ass thing to say to Momo lmfao
It’s even more insane how everyone is just kinda like cool about it
maiden charm
https://tenor.com/view/sips-tea-gif-10558867
Same
grand flower
Idk man Momo literally just got crucified
leaden rivet
I thought at least she would grow out of it during Wano but she still keeps saying that shit
tiny oak
You really coming at me with the single worst character in one piece
best* femboys 🔛🔝
grand flower
Idt Yamato calling himself oden is high up on the scale of traumas for Momo
blazing mantle
You really coming at me with the single worst character in one piece
Worse than charloss?
leaden rivet
Im just waiting for Blackbeard to beat it out of her. Maybe she’ll realize there’s more to life than dickriding the guy who abandoned his country.
sage temple
Lets see him fall from realm to realm
brittle basin
It’s even more insane how everyone is just kinda like cool about it
No, it's not cool. It's meant to be funny, and to some extent there is a level of humor to it. Until you start thinking about it, and it's like "oh that's kind of fucked up." I assume it relates to the trauma of Yamato's childhood and they just don't know better. Not sure if that is the best reasoning, but it's the best I got.
sage temple
thick mango
kinda like how you think vegapunks design is anything but trash
Good and bad must just mean completely different things to us if you think vp is bad and delinger is good
blazing mantle
Im just waiting for Blackbeard to beat it out of her. Maybe she’ll realize there...
Why Blackbeard
leaden rivet
Ancient weapon
thick mango
Worse than charloss?
Easily. Charlos is well designed for what he is
sage temple
Im just waiting for Blackbeard to beat it out of her. Maybe she’ll realize there...
True that ngl
Yamato being that obsessed takes away from her character
maiden charm
Yes
tiny oak
Good and bad must just mean completely different things to us if you think vp is...
you’re so easy to ragebait😭
maiden charm
Because people actually call her Oden
tiny oak
i thought saying oda thinks vegapunk should be a femboy would make it obvious
leaden rivet
At her grown fucking age too
grand flower
Yamato being that obsessed takes away from her character
It’s no different than how Luffy views Shanks lmao
sage temple
She could've been Loki-like where she shares the same beliefs but still has their own principals
sage temple
It’s no different than how Luffy views Shanks lmao
So we are lying
leaden rivet
Just cosplaying a dead man
grand flower
Several aspects of Luffys personality is lifted whole sale from Shanks
leaden rivet
Weird mf
sage temple
Luffy doesn't call himself Shanks
blazing mantle
Robin is older than yamato isn’t that crazy
maiden charm
It’s no different than how Luffy views Shanks lmao
Bro
sage temple
Luffy doesn't wanna be Shanks
latent hamlet
in fairness
yamato had an arguably worse upbringing than loki
brittle basin
Yamato being that obsessed takes away from her character
Yeah, i think it's the obsession with it, even post-Wano, that takes people out of it. There's a one-noteness to it, I guess. Not sure how it can be written any better without fundamentally changing Yamato's personality, however.
blazing mantle
in fairness
yamato had an arguably worse upbringing than loki
Yamato needed a goated stepmom
That was her problem
thick mango
you’re so easy to ragebait😭
What have I said that makes you think I'm raging? I'm pretty chill rn.
tiny oak
Robin is older than yamato isn’t that crazy
no not rlly her and ace seem to be around the same age
latent hamlet
Yamato needed a goated stepmom
loki had Ida
that made him more well behaved than yamato ever had a chance to be
brittle basin
Yamato needed a goated stepmom
They're all dead.
sage temple
Yamato's obsession is nowhere near as light-hearted as Luffy & Shanks
grand flower
Luffy doesn't wanna be Shanks
Luffy and Yamato are both emulating men because they are inspired to live the same way they live
Yamato saying “I am oden” is just a comedic framing of this very same idea
blazing mantle
no not rlly her and ace seem to be around the same age
Maybe kaido has really good anti aging genes
grand flower
It’s the same way Luffy decided what kind of pirate he was gonna be because its the kind of pirate shanks is
latent hamlet
yamato had those samurai who taught her how to read
they all suicided
leaden rivet
That was her problem
Her problem was idolizing a loser
latent hamlet
yamato had some random guard that was being nice?
executed
blazing mantle
They're all dead.
Errrrrr
brittle basin
did they? i forget.
latent hamlet
yamato had ace?
blazing mantle
Figure it out
latent hamlet
died
sage temple
Luffy and Yamato are both emulating men because they are inspired to live the sa...
Yamato also wants to live her entire life like he does at 30 years old
blazing mantle
And then giving us a shitty cover story
I can’t defend this part
latent hamlet
literally every nice person that yamato had basically got killed lol
trim lily
cmon it wasnt that bad
grand flower
Yamato also wants to live her entire life like he does at 30 years old
That was a cover to avoid hurting momos feelings
blazing mantle
But I wouldn’t call oden a loser
sage temple
Luffy is basically a teen who wants to be as good if not better than his idol and become king of the pirates
blazing mantle
Just wasting our time like she did in Wano
Yo chill
I didn’t know you hated Yamato so much
urban lodge
But why get upset about this when Momo didnt lol
What I mean is I think it's a little tone deaf from Oda as a writer
leaden rivet
I don’t hate Yamato
ashen perch
Yamato also wants to live her entire life like he does at 30 years old
the irony.........
sage temple
That was a cover to avoid hurting momos feelings
Yeah this character meant everything else but she was lying about that
leaden rivet
Im just talking about her.
ashen perch
Socrates, you are a Loki fan.
sage temple
the irony.........
Just isn't ironic at all Loki can live his life independantly
ashen perch
Who has been pushing the idea that Loki is the 2nd coming of christ (Xebec)
leaden rivet
I mean her character is a waste of time
blazing mantle
Oh
grand flower
Yeah this character meant everything else but she was lying about that
You’ll have to rephrase
leaden rivet
Not specifically her actions
latent hamlet
i can give yamato some slack for attaching herself to oden too much
the only ones that cared for her died
and then she gets her ass beat by kaido and then handcuffed to bomb cuffs
blazing mantle
Yeah nvm I can’t defend her
sage temple
Yamato is like a life line to a dead guy
ashen perch
Who has been pushing the idea that Loki is the 2nd coming of christ (Xebec)
and dresses like him, has the same goals as him, will do things he couldnt
ashen perch
Loki is just Yamato but his Oden is Xebec
blazing mantle
https://tenor.com/view/yamato-surprised-one-piece-gif-25491313
Why doesn’t she dress like oden
Poser
latent hamlet
ace: I'LL COME BACK YAMATO AND BEAT THE SHIT OUTTA KAIDO
also ace: DIES
sage temple
She's just an Oden copy paste with a good devil fruit
blazing mantle
ace: I'LL COME BACK YAMATO AND BEAT THE SHIT OUTTA KAIDO
also ace: DIES
Oda had to nerf him
Ace was lowkey gonna do it
brittle basin
i can give yamato some slack for attaching herself to oden too much
the only one...
Yeah, it's a multi whammy combo of child abuse, neglect, lack of freedom, and seeing your hero's brains blown out before your eyes. It's gotta all be trauma, or at least I think that's what Oda's going for?
hazy turret
Loki is just Yamato but his Oden is Xebec
Well Loki is a little more sane up there
grand flower
i can give yamato some slack for attaching herself to oden too much
the only one...
It’s literally just “the way Oden lives is how I wanna live “
Yamato saying “I want to be Oden” is his way of articulating “I want to follow Oden’s example”
tiny oak
Why doesn’t she dress like oden
they both have the backbow at least
leaden rivet
Why do you guys always try to compare Yamato cosplaying oden to other characters idolizing others.
grand flower
“I want to follow XYZ’s example” is literally a main theme of the story
sage temple
and dresses like him, has the same goals as him, will do things he couldnt
Loki dresses like him, has the same goals as him, and will do things Rocks couldn't
Yamato dresses like him, lives her entire life like him, and goes to the point to say she is him
leaden rivet
Like Arsal it’s not the same
latent hamlet
Yeah, it's a multi whammy combo of child abuse, neglect, lack of freedom, and se...
i think the idea was that her life was so utterly garbage she has to attach to like the one COOL thing she has in her life
and thats Oden in his journey
sage temple
Loki makes it clear that he is his own person
grand flower
That’s literally just inherited Will
blazing mantle
they both have the backbow at least
I need a little more than that
tiny oak
ashen perch
Well Loki is a little more sane up there
ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
latent hamlet
like if you've been abused all your life, and then u discover one NICE thing u enjoy
you're probably gonna get attached to it super hard
leaden rivet
There’s a difference in wanting to be like someone and trying to actually be that person
latent hamlet
even if its not mentally healthy
hazy turret
ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
When it comes to their idols, Loki is absolutely more normal about it
grand flower
Yamato very clearly shows he doesn’t literally mean he’ll literally become Oden
fast pagoda
thoughts on my teams
sage temple
Exactly
leaden rivet
like if you've been abused all your life, and then u discover one NICE thing u e...
That’s like every op character
brittle basin
It’s literally just “the way Oden lives is how I wanna live “
Yamato saying “I ...
I'm not too sure on that account. Maybe now it's that way, but I think early on in the raid they may have actually believed they were literally Oden, at least insofar as trying to appeal to Momo. I would need to reread though. But, again, trauma may be at play here with Yammy.
latent hamlet
but then again most people dont get thrown into a cave, get that cave locked with a giant boulder, and gets told "lmao those samurai might kill ya"
ashen perch
Loki dresses like him, has the same goals as him, and will do things Rocks could...
Loki claims he is the sun god Nika who will destroy the world, thats part of his Xebec delusions for sure too
brittle basin
thoughts on my teams
!zolo
tropic novaBOT
“Zolo winz!!!!” -Eiichiro Oda, Jump New Years conference (January 2nd 2005)
ashen perch
because he thought Xebec was like Nika
latent hamlet
That’s like every op character
ye but no other op character can say they got "raised" by kaido
brittle basin
I may need to reread Wano to get a better understanding of Yamato's intentions, however.
grand flower
I'm not too sure on that account. Maybe *now* it's that way, but I think early o...
There’s a scene earlier in the raid where Yamato says “I can’t Oden if I can’t do XYZ” and “I may be Oden but I’m also Yamato”
latent hamlet
kaido: mfing scrub
sage temple
Loki claims he is the sun god Nika who will destroy the world, thats part of his...
Xebec has never said he was Nika, he shows he didn't even know what that is. Xebec also never said he didn't want to destroy it
grand flower
“Oden,” as Yamato uses it, is just a role
brittle basin
There’s a scene earlier in the raid where Yamato says “I can’t Oden if I can’t d...
When I reread, I'll lookout for this line.
leaden rivet
Kaido wasn’t that tough comparatively
sage temple
Loki's real dream can be interpreted as becoming King of the World though
grand flower
When I reread, I'll lookout for this line.
I think its when he tanks the bombs while protecting Momo
sage temple
I'll give you that, that is the same
blazing mantle
meanwhile kaido
"TRAINING BEGINS NOW"
This sounds funny but it’s probably what happened
sage temple
But that's just inherited will from Rocks to Loki
dense haven
buggy has more rocks parallels than loki and bb together
ashen perch
Xebec has never said he was Nika, he shows he didn't even know what that is. Xeb...
Doesnt matter though, this is what Loki thinks of Xebec and he IS trying to be him lol
brittle basin
Buggy=Empty Throne
sage temple
buggy has more rocks parallels than loki and bb together
"How can I be as annoying as possible to socrates today"
ashen perch
Xebec can deny that he is Nika but Loki still thought so.
sage temple
Xebec can deny that he is Nika but Loki still thought so.
Yeah, and Xebec tells him he isn't Nika
brittle basin
Kid loki did
latent hamlet
This sounds funny but it’s probably what happened
yamato i believe even says she got nearly killed by kaido several times
brittle basin
Does he still think that way?
latent hamlet
unironically yamato is probably so strong cuz she has to SURVIVE kaidop
blazing mantle
yamato i believe even says she got nearly killed by kaido several times
Lowkey did her some good
latent hamlet
sage temple
Not the exact same way
blazing mantle
Look how strong she is rn
sage temple
Loki has definitely matured since then
blazing mantle
W parenting from kaido
leaden rivet
Sócrates loves rock parallels until it’s time for Loki to be dommi reversi’d
blazing mantle
Or bad parenting but good training
sage temple
Also it's funny since you're comparing a 30 year old's obsession to a 7 year old wanting to be like someone
ashen perch
Adult Loki just thinks he is the sun god Nika now and wants to be King of the World while still admiring Xebec the same as ever
trim lily
Sócrates loves rock parallels until it’s time for Loki to be dommi reversi’d
luffy and hajrudin will have to put him down 
brittle basin
I will say I'm still pissed Yamato stayed behind on Wano. I understand the logic of needing a guardian, but I wanted Yamato to experience freedom from beyond Wano's borders.
dapper tree
Too bad Loki is joining the SHs
latent hamlet
i wouldnt call it good training so far as more "she just has to constantly improve herself or she's gonna die"
dapper tree
Parallels be dammed
blazing mantle
Also it's funny since you're comparing a 30 year old's obsession to a 7 year old...
How old is Loki in human years rn anyways
latent hamlet
I will say I'm still pissed Yamato stayed behind on Wano. I understand the logic...
it's also more entertaining to have another member
ashen perch
Loki is 21 by a generous human conversion
sage temple
Sócrates loves rock parallels until it’s time for Loki to be dommi reversi’d
Shut the fuck up you're ignoring the fact that there are plenty of things distinguishing Loki and Rocks the same way there are plenty of things that have them parallel eachother
leaden rivet
Too bad Loki is joining the SHs
Do you actually believe this
blazing mantle
Alright ty
sage temple
How old is Loki in human years rn anyways
21
leaden rivet
O I thought you were Adam for some reason
brittle basin
Adult Loki just thinks he is the sun god Nika now and wants to be King of the Wo...
I wonder why he thinks that despite originally thinking Rocks was Nika.
ashen perch
but he is 63, thats like 5 times older than Socrates
sage temple
Sick burn
ashen perch
I wonder why he thinks that despite originally thinking Rocks was Nika.
Xebec is dead now
blazing mantle
Too bad Loki is joining the SHs
Ally yes
Strawhat no
brittle basin
Xebec is dead now
oh you think he's carrying his will kind of thing?
dapper tree
Ally yes
Strawhat no
SH yes
urban lodge
Loki is joining his big (small) bro
thick mango
Getting older is only cool for like 5-10 years then it sstarts to suck
ashen perch
oh you think he's carrying his will kind of thing?
yeah
dapper tree
Do you actually believe this
Yes
dapper tree
Knock it off
I refuse
sage temple
Adult Loki just thinks he is the sun god Nika now and wants to be King of the Wo...
He understood that Rocks wasn't Nika though
leaden rivet
Getting older is only cool for like 5-10 years then it sstarts to suck
You mean I can buy all the candy I want? Gets old so quickly lol
sage temple
If you were to ask any giant they'd probably say yes to becoming Nika this is an unfair comparison
thick mango
You mean I can buy all the candy I want? Gets old so quickly lol
I feel like I got all the benefits by 25ish
grand flower
This is what I was thinking of, I think it makes it pretty clear that Yamato is just following Odens example and the way he articulates it is meant to be a gag
sage temple
leaden rivet
Only thing that never gets old is being able to drive wherever you want whenever
brittle basin
I guess Loki could be carrying Rocks will in him, and thus sees himself as Nika. However, there's also the mural and who knows how much lore on Nika in Elbaf, that I could easily see Loki using the lore as an excuse to be Nika. But since inherited will such a huge thing in OP, it's probably just that 'cause ODA IS A HACK.
sage temple
Loki and Xebec/Nika is just not the same as Yamato and Oden at all
ashen perch
He understood that Rocks wasn't Nika though
did he though
sage temple
Every example you're giving where they're similar are from when Loki is younger than 10
grand flower
This is one of several scenes that show that Yamato understand he’s not literally Oden or will become oden, theyre separate people
sage temple
did he though
Can you show me how Loki doesn't
ashen perch
he is following in the footsteps of Xebec while claiming to be Nika
latent hamlet
Loki: ngl destroying the world is kinda baller
Yamato: my life fucking sucks so I attach myself to oden cuz thats the only good thing in life
grand flower
This is what I was thinking of, I think it makes it pretty clear that Yamato is ...
Stuff like this is why I say that Yamato is truly no different than Luffy
Luffy didnr fight Bellamy because he knew Shanks wouldn’t have
It’s just people living the way they know their idols would
sage temple
Loki: ngl destroying the world is kinda baller
Yamato: my life fucking sucks so...
King of the world*
latent hamlet
Didn't luffy not fight Bellamy cuz Nami said so lol
brittle basin
What is Yamato's personality when not attempting to emulate Oden is a worthwhile question. Or is attempting to emulate Oden their personality at this point?
latent hamlet
O wait ye I forgot that part she was all madge
grand flower
Luffy didnt fight Bellamy because Bellamy having no dream made jim not worth fighting
Him*
And he knew Shanks doesnt fight if its not worth fighting
blazing mantle
I thought he didn’t fight Bellamy cause he was following Shanks example
latent hamlet
What is Yamato's personality when not attempting to emulate Oden is a worthwhile...
I feel like shes basically a mentally stunted individual that wants to adventure but also do right by the name she inherits
mighty shell
This is one of several scenes that show that Yamato understand he’s not literall...
can't believe this is still up for debate
he just has a kin 😔
latent hamlet
Her age is kinda irrelevant considering she basically spent all those years inside onigashima so she has like barely any proper adult mind
ashen perch
This is one of several scenes that show that Yamato understand he’s not literall...
Yea, Its genuine admiration same as any other admiration at its core, Oda just plays up the "literally Oden" aspects for the laughs
grand flower
Yea, Its genuine admiration same as any other admiration at its core, Oda just p...
Yeah that’s just meant to add flavor to Yamatos character
He’s a lot like Brook
Extreme isolation made him kooky
latent hamlet
I think as befitting her fruit she also got some sort of guardian style mentality
brittle basin
I don't think admiration is extreme enough of a word
and worship is too far of a word
maiden charm
I don't think admiration is extreme enough of a word
Fanaticism
brittle basin
ooh
grand flower
The result is Yamato expresses something as normal as emulating his idol in insane terms because Yamato wasn’t properly socialized
brittle basin
that's good
grand flower
His life was isolation and abuse
brittle basin
An Oden fanatic works well
grand flower
He’s just not completely well adjusted
latent hamlet
You're saying fanaticism is more appropriate than worship?
ashen perch
Yeah that’s just meant to add flavor to Yamatos character
yea I am not sure why people were so annoyed by when it was quite charming to me, made him super fun to follow along lol
maiden charm
You're saying fanaticism is more appropriate than worship?
I'm a manga fanatic but I don't worship it
latent hamlet
He’s just not completely well adjusted
It is well adjusted
If dad raises stick, start crying as u get beaten
Repeat for 2 decades
grand flower
yea I am not sure why people were so annoyed by when it was quite charming to me...
OP is so good, people gotta find BS to complain about IN MY OPINION
ashen perch
well you could say worship yeah, its just religious admiration
brittle basin
His life was isolation and abuse
They're both free yet isolated in a way now. Free of their father and his tyrannical reign, yet still choosing Wano and not seeing the wider world. Well, for now, at least. I expect they will leave Wano eventually when they feel it's safe to do so.
grand flower
It is well adjusted
If dad raises stick, start crying as u get beaten
Repeat fo...
Till you finally swing back on pops
latent hamlet
Till you finally swing back on pops
Until pops pulls out the acoc thunder bagua
grand flower
I wanna mention this because it really is so funny how despite everything else he’s willing to do
Kaido won’t misgender Yamato even once lol
latent hamlet
ashen perch
well you could say worship yeah, its just religious admiration
Oden is like a god anyways, to the citizens of Wano. Yamato admires him to that extent, calls his logbook his bible even.
brittle basin
Oh dang, this just makes me want Kaido dead even more now. Imagine Yamato witnessing their father come back, and all those memories resurfacing.
marble inlet
Kaido won’t misgender Yamato even once lol
cause hes respectable
ashen perch
fanatisicism is too extreme, its not like that
grand flower
They're both free yet isolated in a way now. Free of their father and his tyrann...
It is sort of nice that Yamato remaining in Wano was his own choice
brittle basin
That is freedom, so choice is nice. Hopefully, they make a good guardian.
But, also, like, go travel too.
that was their dream
grand flower
marble inlet
yamato will eventually leave wano once momonosuke becomes stronger
grand flower
Some of the readings here are wrong imo
latent hamlet
Oh dang, this just makes me want Kaido dead even more now. Imagine Yamato witnes...
Remember that kaido was also like
Right I got a plan for u
Be the tyrant of wano
DONT MAKE ME GET THE CLUB BOY
grand flower
But this is a good video
maiden charm
https://youtu.be/I5IUsdX8C-I?si=pc0xNc1VZge7aWNv
Pls don't make me send it
grand flower
I think viewing Harald through the lens of “he’s a man of extremes” is really good
brittle basin
yamato will eventually leave wano once momonosuke becomes stronger
Yamato and Momo may both leave before that if they are required for the Final War.
grand flower
That’s a pretty good way to sum up Harald
grand flower
Pls don't make me send it
What’s that
latent hamlet
Yamato and momo are almost definitely leaving for the final battle
brittle basin
I like to think of Harald as desperate above all else. Thus leading to extreme decision making and blind spots.
maiden charm
What’s that
No no it's okay
fast pagoda
thoughts on my teams
Bump
brittle basin
Why not Kingambit?
marble inlet
who will defend wano if momo leaves
ashen perch
Tama, Yamato, Kinemon and Momo were all basically declared honorary SHs, Tama a bit indirectly
latent hamlet
who will defend wano if momo leaves
The scabbards are still commander level
brittle basin
who will defend wano if momo leaves
I think in terms of the Final War, there will be bigger fish to fry and then they go back home.
fast pagoda
Why not Kingambit?
I didnt want zoro to have a fully evolved team yet and i like bisharp more than kingambit
latent hamlet
Momo I dont think would wanna miss reuniting
brittle basin
Tama upscale btw
brittle basin
The Final War might be something that could end all life and thus may require as much help as possible. Or not. What do I know.
latent hamlet
Luffy is also an all offense vibe
marble inlet
The Final War might be something that could end all life and thus may require as...
the sea level rising
latent hamlet
Most would join him for that
fast pagoda
The Final War might be something that could end all life and thus may require as...
I wonder what certain world ending event is being planned by the WG and was mentioned in Egghead
blazing mantle
The Final War might be something that could end all life and thus may require as...
Imu fuses with all 3 ancient weapons and threatens to open a complete portal to the abyss that brings out evil demons to rule over the world
maiden charm
I wonder what certain world ending event is being planned by the WG and was ment...
Probably a mass sinking or something,like destroying multiple islands
brittle basin
Imu fuses with all 3 ancient weapons and threatens to open a complete portal to ...
Say no more. I love it.
brittle basin
So, um,.....when is the Grand Fleet gonna do that important thing?
latent hamlet
Imu fuses with all 3 ancient weapons and threatens to open a complete portal to ...
Shirahoshi upscale
marble inlet
shirahoshi carrying the war on luffy side
blazing mantle
If Oda didn’t reveal Imus face during the rocks flashback he’s gonna keep dragging it for a lot longer
mighty shell
Imu fuses with all 3 ancient weapons and threatens to open a complete portal to ...
this is the plot of genshin impact
mighty shell
yeah just about lol
brittle basin
smh spoilers for waifuslop
blazing mantle
Alright somebody else make a new idea
blazing mantle
smh spoilers for waifuslop
I’m sorry
marble inlet
Alright somebody else make a new idea
luffy becomes pirate king