also-manga

[ashen perch]

he will be working at Water 7

[tidal ice]

his growth will be glorious

[hot cairn]

complex doesnt mean fighting alongside Luffy

like really

it’s not happening

[trim lily]

so basically he goes unpunished for everything hes done

[final trench]

Yea i think akainu will tear down the holy lands

[tranquil blade]

After what we saw from Xebec, we're in wholesomepiece now Jesus

[hot cairn]

Luffy and Akainu aren’t fighting together

[ashen perch]

its upto Paulie to decide

[hot cairn]

I never viewed Rocks as evil, I always knew it was propaganda

[golden valley]

Xebec was just propaganda yeah

[rose rune]

"if you want to work for us again Lucci, you'll have to survive my rope action"

[trim lily]

we live in a world of magic and whimsy

[ashen perch]

Look, again, youre thinking it means we're getting Gomu Gomu no HELL HOUND

[final trench]

Lucci might lose his sanity

[golden valley]

They was talking about Rocks like he was pure evil

[frigid gulch]

Good Piece

[ashen perch]

I think if Akainu was fighting against the WG, and Luffy was also fighting against the WG

they wouldnt exactly change their sides to oppose each other yknow

that would just be silly

[trim lily]

yeah i do think akain will be against the WG in the end but not ally himself with luffy or the revos

[grand flower]

What’s that

[trim lily]

but i dont know how thatll work

[ashen perch]

Akainu getting Pluton

[final trench]

I think akainu needs proof imu exists

[grand flower]

Yes he is

[distant vine]

https://tenor.com/view/lionel-hutz-world-peace-rainbow-multicultural-day-dream-gif-20417641

[hot cairn]

I still think Akainu will sink with the ship

[grand flower]

I had a feeling

[vale heath]

https://tenor.com/view/mistwol-cat-his-greed-will-consume-him-eating-silly-gif-14271929065765266047

[grand flower]

Why would he

[hot cairn]

Akainu getting Pluton

[grand flower]

He is

[hot cairn]

tell that to Arsal

[final trench]

Cg getting pluton

[vale heath]

Celestial gagons

[dense haven]

celestial gooners

[final trench]

Buggy did not die for this

[ashen perch]

Took me too long to find the panel but that "you're hired" WILL hit in the Final War, the people arent ready for this.

[grand flower]

@ashen perch Akainus gonna take pluton

[ashen perch]

I doubt that

[grand flower]

Why

[final trench]

Crocodile wants pluton

[tawny panther]

*Teach .. I think Pluton originally belonged to Davy Jones when he was King and was the real “Flying Dutchman” .. I don’t think he’s gonna get Shirashoshi

[ashen perch]

I think the AWs will be divided between Imu, Luffy and BB

[tawny panther]

yep

[grand flower]

Lame and predictable

[final trench]

True butttt

He might go after shirahoshi

[tawny panther]

Luffy gets shirahoshi , Teach gets pluton , Imu has uranus

[final trench]

Caribou knows where both are

[tawny panther]

that will be how it’s divided up

[ashen perch]

well predictable maybe but thats really because Oda has telegraphed it pretty clearly lol

[grand flower]

You’re all forgetting something very important

Pre-skip, Akainu prevented Blackbeard from getting a battle ship

[ashen perch]

I dont think Oda is hoping for us to expect a twist here, its very straightforward

[final trench]

You think that’s happening again?

#sayless

[tawny panther]

a ancient weapon & the 3 people who will have 1 each

[grand flower]

Post one page of Blackbeard being interested in ancient weapons

[trim lily]

shuron just ignoring the existence of caribou

[final trench]

Caribou knows where both are

Shirahoshi and pluton

[hot cairn]

this is why caribou exists

[tawny panther]

VP just had a speech about the ancient weapons to the world and how important they are .. Teach is gonna want it

[grand flower]

Believing Carivou on the cusp of big 2026

[ashen perch]

Caribou thinks that BB will be very interested in Ancient Weapons, he has said it multiple times

[grand flower]

He’s actually never said this

[hybrid hazel]

Teach is the tuffest pirate

[grand flower]

I keep pointing this out to Yall

[ashen perch]

well sure, he never mentioned BB

[tawny panther]

Shanks already told us Teach is gonna always want more and more power and never be satisfied so he’s gonna for sure want a ancient weapon ESPECIALLY after VP speech about them

[grand flower]

https://tenor.com/view/klasik-clasik-clasic-gif-25398314

[trim lily]

yeah blackbeard is a very greedy man by nature

[final trench]

….

He was literally with shirahoshi

[trim lily]

if theres more power to be had he'll take it

[tawny panther]

yeah it’s one of the main things that shanks told us about teach

he’s gonna always want more power

[grand flower]

Caribou has literally told this lie already

Two times lol

[final trench]

Then he’ll just die 🤷🏾‍♂️

[grand flower]

Or escape

[hybrid hazel]

That's how he will be defeated

[hot cairn]

Sharon thinks that Caribou will trick BB

[ashen perch]

yeah I know

[hot cairn]

and not tell him the info

for some reason

[grand flower]

Believing Caribou after he’s told this exact lie twice and after Oda’s revealed he’s probably the son of the rocks pirate that sold Rocks out

[thick mango]

To disbelieve caribou you need to think his incentives align with lying. And I think that thought is correct. That he will only act within his own incentives. But I think it's wrong to say lying is within his incentives

[trim lily]

will caribou tell anyone about it at this point

[tawny panther]

one of the most important powers in the world that Vegapunk just told the whole world about .. Teach is gonna want it based off what Shanks said about Teach

[trim lily]

or is he just gonna keep lying

[thick mango]

Exactly. If not bb, who

What's the point

[ashen perch]

I am not sure if Caribou is in a position to lie anyways

[tawny panther]

he not about to kill caribou cause he’s gonna. tell him about the ancient weapons

[tawny panther]

exactly !

[hot cairn]

whats the point of caribou having this information

[tawny panther]

lmao they will kill him, they aren’t the straw hats

[hot cairn]

then

[final trench]

Unless he wanna die

[thick mango]

That's the other thing it's in his self interest to just tell the truth here

[ashen perch]

yea

[hot cairn]

and they will kill him if he doesn’t say something interesting

[trim lily]

i think shuron thought that caribou wanted to give dragon the info but i might be confusing it with someone else

[tawny panther]

or just force pudding to read his memories if you feel like he’s lying

[trim lily]

that too

[ashen perch]

if he tells them that the Poseidon is in Vira and theres nothing in Vira, he is just dead

[trim lily]

pudding is basically the ultimate lie detector here

[ashen perch]

so what would we have accomplished? nothing

[tawny panther]

or lafitte can just hypnotize caribou to tell them everything

[ashen perch]

Lafitte yea was gonna say

[tawny panther]

it’s really no way out of this for caribou if he doesn’t tell the truth

[ashen perch]

Pudding might not be willing to do that but Lafitte would work just fine

[tawny panther]

they will find out

[trim lily]

lafitte feels more likely if he returns from mariejois

[thick mango]

I don't think he has some grand plan here. He's a selfish slimeball and the selfish slimeball move here is to just tell the truth

[hot cairn]

Yeah idk @grand flower you aint cooking with that one

[trim lily]

bb might not even know about her fruit

[grand flower]

He had incentive

The government was blowing the island the fuck up lol

He needed a ride off

[thick mango]

What is his incentive to lie now in front of bb

[grand flower]

What??

[grand flower]

Mmhmm

[trim lily]

the best question to ask is where does he go after blackbeard

[thick mango]

We can say he lied about loving bb to get off egghead. Now he's standing in front of bb having promised good info and threatened with death of no good info

[trim lily]

what is the endgoal of all this lying

[ashen perch]

I am just not sure what he can even accomplish from lying here

[grand flower]

You can’t be serious

[trim lily]

the Chekhov's gun of him having info on two weapons has to be fired eventually

[sweet anvil]

He dies

Blackbeard gets his info and kills him straight after

[trim lily]

thatd be rude

[thick mango]

What do you mean? There are horrible consequences in store here if he lies and likely rewards if he tells the truth

[grand flower]

He HAS to lie here

That’s why he’s gonna do it lmao

[sweet anvil]

He’s a liability he could give up the info to someone else

[thick mango]

Why? Because you say so?

[grand flower]

He’s in this position because he lied to Devon and Auger

[sweet anvil]

Easier to just kill him after you have the info for a villain

[grand flower]

I cannot believe y’all are making me explain to Yall that when you lie yourself into a position, it requires to you

Get this

[thick mango]

You've given me nothing substantive

[ashen perch]

but why, suppose he says its in Vira, they take him to Vira, what has he accomplished?

[trim lily]

i feel like bb tends to reward good info or help

[grand flower]

KEEP lying

[hot cairn]

but he didn’t tho? He does have information that he can give to them

[grand flower]

:0

Crazy stuff!

[grand flower]

He lied about wanting to give it to them because he wants to be their subordinate

[sweet anvil]

When they’re on his crew maybe

[thick mango]

What do you mean? He has the info he doesn't need to lie the truth is the easier path

He didn't lie about having the info. He does have the info

[grand flower]

He’s lying that Blackbeard is the person he intends to give thr info too

[sweet anvil]

For a random fodder who he wouldn’t want on his crew and is useless outside of the info he will likely kill him

[grand flower]

I truly don’t know why you’re telling me this

Do you think I just forgot FMI and Wano?

OBVIOUSLY Carivou isn’t lying about having the info

Why would that be what I’m saying

[thick mango]

Then why does he have to keep lying

[sweet anvil]

Caribou probably knows bb will kill him right after he gets the info so he’ll twist it or make it so him living is mandatory

[thick mango]

You say it like it's a law of physics

[grand flower]

Jesus

[sweet anvil]

I don’t think he’ll lie

[thick mango]

Neither do i

[sweet anvil]

I think he’ll twist it so it favours his situation

[grand flower]

“Why does Caribou have to keep lying after ending up in a certain position due to lying”

[sweet anvil]

He’ll won’t lie but he’ll leave out a lot of the truth

If that makes sense

[trim lily]

i guess caribou could twist it so he ends up being necessary

but then again BB has lafitte, he could just hypnotize caribou (if thats possible)

[thick mango]

Why does caribou the person who only cares about himself need to lie when he stands to benefit the most from telling the truth

[grand flower]

Blackbeard has to keep lying now because “haha guys I lied I just wanted a ride off egghead” isn’t an option lmao

[sweet anvil]

He doesn’t

[grand flower]

Because Blackbeard isn’t actually the person he wants to give the info to

[thick mango]

You acting all indignant like I'm being obtuse but no one else is getting it

[sweet anvil]

It’s the most common villain troupe to kill someone as soon as you get the info you need

[trim lily]

shuron moment

[sweet anvil]

Caribou isn’t an idiot I don’t think he’ll straight up give all the info he has

[grand flower]

We know this becausw the lie he told to Blackbeard’s goons is the same lie he told Luffy and the same lie he told the fake straw hats

[trim lily]

i mean

caribou is pretty stupid

dont act like hes some genius

[grand flower]

We know he’s also lying to Blackbeards goons because when he has internal dialogue about wanting to give the info to someone in that scene with them, he doesnr say Blackbeard

[thick mango]

Caribou is shameless self interest in the form of a person. The self interest move here is to just tell the truth

[grand flower]

His internal dialogue doesnr mention Blackbeard at all

[golden valley]

Caribou hates BB

[grand flower]

Only his external dialogues

Hence it’s a lie

[sweet anvil]

Yeah but just from being a pretty evil guy himself I think he could deduce that if he was in bbs position he would also kill himself after getting info

[golden valley]

Wang Zhi was his dada, he aint telling bb shit

[grand flower]

Not when he intends for the info to be given to someone else

Also

[tawny panther]

isn’t that just a fan theory

[sweet anvil]

Giving all the info he has makes it so that bb doesn’t need him anymore

[thick mango]

To lie here would be an act of bravery and towards some other goal for which we have no evidence

[golden valley]

Yes

But its happening!

[tawny panther]

like capone being related to marlon

lol

[grand flower]

I’m giving you the evidence right now

You’re not engaging with it

There’s a third piece of evidence as well

[thick mango]

I disagree what you're presenting is evidence

[sweet anvil]

Shiki ?

[golden valley]

Caribou and Wang Zhi are too similar

[sweet anvil]

Maybe

[grand flower]

You need to substantiate why it’s not evidence

Anyways

[sweet anvil]

If Caribou plans to give info to anyone not bb it’s shiki I think

[tawny panther]

lol sure

[golden valley]

Like, especially when we know what Wang Zhi did to spike God Valley

[grand flower]

The third piece of evidence is the fact that Caribou risked Devon and Auger saying no

If Caribou intends to tell Blackbeard, he would have just said “I can take you to AWs”

That would guarantee they say yes to taking him off Egghead

The fact that he withholds that info when he would have lost no leverage by saying “I can take you to AWs” is a huge sign he’s lying

[golden valley]

What do you think Caribou will tell Blackbeard Shuron? Because it has to be at least somewhat believable without being the full truth

[sweet anvil]

What’s AWs again ?

[grand flower]

Nothing

I’m pretty sure he’s just gonna try to escape

[thick mango]

Then he's dead

[grand flower]

He may die here

[golden valley]

Uhhh

[grand flower]

He would have died in the buster call

[golden valley]

Idk

[grand flower]

Caribou took a gamble with teach because the buster call is just guaranteed death unless you’re luffys gang

Caribou had no way of escaping the buster call

He HAD TO lie to them becausw they were his only way off the island

[sweet anvil]

do you have any ideas on who he gives the info to

[grand flower]

Yeah I’ve talked about this before but the person is probably dragon

Caribou is unaware of it tho

[sweet anvil]

Um

[grand flower]

Hold on

[sweet anvil]

Ngl I was thinking of shiki as soon as you brought it up 😭

[golden valley]

I can’t see Caribou escaping UNLESS something bad actually happens on Hachinosu

[grand flower]

alright i don't feel like getting pages so if you don't believe what i'm about to say

then fuck me i guess

[golden valley]

Like…a war

[sweet anvil]

RHP vs BB pirates

[hot cairn]

what

[thick mango]

I just have a different view of caribou than you I think. Do you not see him as fundamentally selfish?

[craggy vapor]

Can we take this moment to pay our respects to the Don?

[grand flower]

A lot of people forget that Caribou didn't wannt to give this mystery person just the weapons, he also wanted to give this person treasure. This lowkey already makes it less likely to be Teach because Emperors are rich. What money can lowly Caribou bring a loaded Emperor of the sea that would matter to them?

Weapons and treasure fits Dragon though. The Revolutionaries are famously broke but they also need firepower. Sabo and Koala were in Dressrosa because they were tracking weapon trades in the underworld and their mission was to steal the weapons Dofy was trafficking for wars for their own uses @sweet anvil

[hot cairn]

where is that coming from?

[grand flower]

Caribou's cover story famously features him being mistaken for a revolutionary named Gaburu

[sweet anvil]

My only problem is

[grand flower]

Gaburu's is pictured in the story in a poster mimicking the famous poster of Che Guevara

[grand flower]

Not done

[sweet anvil]

Caribous character doesn’t align with the revs at all

Well at least that’s how I see it

[grand flower]

Che Guevara sailed with Fidel Casto on the Granma to liberate Cuba

[golden valley]

Don’t think Shanks is stupid to fight there

[grand flower]

lemme FINISH

[grand flower]

Dragon is modeled after Fidel Castro

[sweet anvil]

Cook

[grand flower]

Dragon's ship in story is the Wind Granma

Dragon's favorite food is a cuban slider sandwich

[golden valley]

Shanks is too cautious to fight an Emperor in home territory

[sweet anvil]

Yeah I’m familiar with all the dragon - Castro links and I see it

Everything sounds very plausible

[grand flower]

Dragon's military outfit in the Egghead flashback is based on Castro's uniform as well

[grand flower]

Right so what I think happened is, Caribou caught wind that there's some influential figure in the black market looking for money and weapons

When Caribou says "I have a certain person to tell," he isn't being cheeky

He literally doesn't know that this person is Dragon

[sweet anvil]

Ohhhh

[grand flower]

Sabo and Koala went to Dressrosa because they were tracking weapons in the black market

So they have to have some kind of presence there

They probably don't actually purchase stuff through the black market

But they need to have a presence there to hear about these weapon deals that they then intercept and steal from

Meaning they have to be putting out feelers to get information from

There's also little things like the comptability of the theory that there are Marines working with the Revo cause

And the fact that in Caribou's cover story, a bunch of Marines just salute him and let him go

Cause they seem to think he's Gaburu

[sweet anvil]

Ngl you’ve kind of cooked here

[craggy vapor]

The Revos feel like a pirate crew, because what’s the difference really?

[strong wadi]

Not automatically hated by the general public

[craggy vapor]

just because they don’t have a jolly roger and not call themselves pirates?

[thick mango]

The average pirate terrorizes civs. Luffy is an outlier

[strong wadi]

When you see them, you aren't going to worry that they're going to pillage your town and kill people.

[grand flower]

Funny enough they do have a jolly roger

[sweet anvil]

The only thing is since we’ve established that Caribou doesn’t know he’s doing it for the revs what does he stand to gain from this info he’s giving since you said he also wanted to give them treasure it wouldn’t be a monetary exchange right ?

[grand flower]

told you to let me finish

[sweet anvil]

You have more 😭

[grand flower]

I think Caribou just thinks he's dealing with some kind of big shot

[grand flower]

oh no i'm done now lol

i meant, i told you it'd make sense once i was done

[thick mango]

He is, blackbeard

[craggy vapor]

Wang Zi betrayed Rocks. So Caribou will betray BB

[sweet anvil]

Yeah but from a guy like him what does he have to gain from giving this info just doing it for a big shot isn’t really grounds for it no especially since he doesn’t actually know the people behind this presence

[grand flower]

Again, you're refusing to factor in that:

1. Caribou has told this lie twice before regarding Luffy, which lines up with Luffy and Blackbeard being so strongly paralleled

2. He never includes Blackbeard in his internal dialogue about the matter

3. He risks Devon and Auger declining his offer instead of guaranteeing they say yes by being overt that the info he has pertains to ancient weapons

You mention before that Caribou acts in his best interest

This doesn't exclude that

Caribou acted in his best interest by lying to them because they were an opportunity to escape a buster call

He simply now has to deal with the consequences of doing so

Consequences he took on because the alterantive consequence was GETTING BLOWN UP

[distant vine]

If he actually used that same line on Luffy I'll cede the argument to you

[thick mango]

That's fine until we're in front of bb I think. Now his best interest is to tell the truth. For him to lie requires him having some grander intent with the information that is so much greater than the rewards he can expect from bb that it's worth risking bb wrath

[grand flower]

No, it simply requires that he never intended to tell Blackbeard and he just wanted to escape

[vale heath]

https://tenor.com/view/this-group-chat-be-like-gif-14120114259691084516

[thick mango]

But if he's just in it for himself the self interested move is just give the info to bb and expect rewards

[sweet anvil]

I see Caribou as an opportunist I don’t see him trying to keep this info to himself and escaping the bb pirates or lying to them just so he can give it to this black market prescence that he knows nothing about and since you said he wants to give them treasure it doesn’t seem to be a monetary exchange @grand flower

[thick mango]

Hachinosu is full of people presumably reaping rewards from their allegiance to bb

[grand flower]

Poor quality but here

In Return to Sabaody, when the fake Straw Hats put out recruitment ads, Caribou literally says he was going to pretend that he wanted to be recruited so he could assassinate the Straw Hats

[sweet anvil]

I do see him not telling the bb pirates but I’m not completely convinced he’ll tell the revs

[grand flower]

"I want to be your underling" with ulterior motives is something he's pulled twice now

[thick mango]

If we accept caribou just wants selfish rewards, the truth is the move. No shadowy vague figure is going to offer him rewards so much better than an emperor that it's worth risking that emperors wrath

[sweet anvil]

Exactly my point

[thick mango]

I think caribou lying to bb requires he has non selfish goals/motives, which I don't think he has

[grand flower]

Again, no it doesn't

It only requires that he doesn't have any desire to help Blackbeard

And that he only said what he said to Devon and Auger because it was an opportunity he couldn't pass up

[thick mango]

Which part of my message before your reply is untrue

[grand flower]

And that is EXACTLY the circumstance in Egghead

Caribou had one of two choices: get a ride from them, or die in the buster call

[sweet anvil]

If he wanted to tell an external presence it would be a known power that he can benefit from and also knows enough about to risk lying to bb

[grand flower]

He chose the former, and now he has to deal with that situation

[sweet anvil]

That’s why if it’s anyone I feel it could be shiki

[grand flower]

The risk about lying to Blackbeard part is irrelevant because the only alternative was stay on an island that was being buster called by two entities that both consider him an enemy

[rapid mason]

Hellooo

[thick mango]

The winning selfish move is to just tell the truth though

[grand flower]

Caribou could not rely on the Straw Hats

[grand flower]

Not if he doesn't want to tell Blackbeard

[thick mango]

What do you think he expects to gain from lying that bb could or would not give him

[grand flower]

And I've outlined the evidence of this

[thick mango]

Why wouldn't he

[grand flower]

He got what he expected to gain

Escape from Egghead

[thick mango]

He can gain more

[grand flower]

Now he has to deal with the consequences

[thick mango]

And he has a lot to lose

[sweet anvil]

My point is why would he choose to save this info for an unknown entity over Blackbeard who he’s just told he’ll give it to

[urban lodge]

I think Caribou will lie because he wants revenge for his dad Wang Zhi, but BB will still torture that info out of him

[thick mango]

What is he planning to do with this information in your estimation that represents a greater reward and less risk than just telling the truth to bb

[grand flower]

Possibly, but the fact that what he's said to the Blackbeard pirates is a lie he's said before, the fact that he never includes blackbeard in a confirmation besides what he says out loud - which can't be trusted -, and the fact that he plays coy with them all point to one thing

Telling them is not his intentions

[thick mango]

Something like that is fine you need to introduce a motive other than selfish gain. The move aligned with selfish gain is telling the truth.

[grand flower]

You can argue all day that telling them at this point would be the smartest thing to do

[sweet anvil]

Him lying sounds reasonable

[grand flower]

But that's irrelevant

[thick mango]

And he's acted in line with selfish gain every time

[sweet anvil]

It being the revolutionaries is the part I don’t agree with ngl

[grand flower]

What the character has expressed to US indicates he has no intention of doing so

If he intended to go "fuck it, i might as well tell them," he would have no reason to keep that information from Devon and Auger

Risking them saying "no, we're not taking you" when he intends to tell them anyway makes no sense

[thick mango]

For me establishing a non selfish motive is a prereq to buying he's gonna lie

[grand flower]

That's flawed

[thick mango]

Something like revenge for Wang zhi.

[grand flower]

We have enough to know he's lying

"We don't know why he's lying" isn't valid when we have that

[thick mango]

We have enough to know he lies a lot we don't have enough to know he's going to lie in this future moment

[grand flower]

All that means is we know he's lying and we don't know who his real targeet is

[grand flower]

Yes we do

Because what he says in the present is a lie he's said before

If I tell you "I'll meet you at noon" two days in a row and I stand you up

Are you gonna say that when I say it again a third day?"

Not only is a lie he's already told, which by itself is enough

[thick mango]

You're lumping together the lie of getting off egghead and the lie of ancient weapons when they should be separate

[grand flower]

We know from the WAY he interacts with them that he's lying

[thick mango]

Even if we go along saying he lied himself into this situation now he has to deal with it

[grand flower]

They aren't because of HOW he talks about this information during this moment

[thick mango]

The most convenient selfish solution to this situation is just tell the truth

[grand flower]

He withholds from them that the information he has pertains to ancient weapons

In doing so, Caribou risks them killing him or telling him no

Address this

Why would he take that route if he intended on telling them

[thick mango]

Plenty of possibilities. Devon augur untrustworthy. Actually idolizes bb. Too bold of a claim to be believed without specifics which falls back into Devon augur untrustworthy

[grand flower]

That's pretty weak

[thick mango]

I think we've beaten this to death and are just gonna have to wait and see at this point

[grand flower]

That doesn't hold up at all because if it's "too bold to be believed," why would he be taking this route of "let me tell blbackbeard about it" in the first place

"It's too bold, if I just say it, they'll just dismiss me"

but...that's exactly what he intends to do once he's in front of the boss...?

[thick mango]

They'll demand details and once they've got them they'll kill him and take the info to the boss themselves for their own reward

[grand flower]

If we take this that Caribou is being sincere, then he fully expects them to believe it wholesale

[grand flower]

That's also not a valid answer because he's already in that position by telling them he has info Teach would find valuable

They can make that decision right now regardless

[thick mango]

But you wanna creep slowly to that and give up as little as possible

[grand flower]

The moment he said "I have info blackbeard would like," they could have chosen to torture him for it so they could tell it to Teach themselves

[grand flower]

No you don't, not when the island around you is blowing up

[strong wadi]

Yeah, I'd say it's untrustworthy factor. Any character with average intelligence knows that if he spills the beans right here, he's getting a bullet through the forehead, so he has to wait until he meets with Teach (which still isn't even a guarantee).

[grand flower]

in that situation, you want a "yes" with the least argument possible

[thick mango]

Yes you do it's only 2 more sentences to progress

[grand flower]

You want a "yes" with the least reason to say no possible

[grand flower]

Why would he play it this way if he's intending to give them that info though

[thick mango]

Cause giving it to bb means rewards. Giving it to augur means a bullet in the head

[grand flower]

If Caribou is intended to say "I know where AWs are and I can take you there," he has no reason to risk a no and play that game period

[grand flower]

No it doesn't

"I can take you to AWs" loses no leverage

They have to keep you alive because you haven't actually given them the locations

They still need you to show them

But now you guarantee a yes because they're not gonna pass up the chance for AWs

[thick mango]

In general you want to give up the least possible

If they pressed him maybe he woulda said aw. But they didn't

[grand flower]

You want to give up the minimum necessary for the best outcome"

That's "I can take you to AWs"

[strong wadi]

Luckily I've grown up watching enough media where it's extremely common place where the interactions go:

Person A: "Hey leader, I've discovered X"

Person B: "And who did you tell about X"

Person A: "Nobody"

Person B: Kills Person A to make sure eh can't tell anyone else and goes to discover it himself

[grand flower]

It's minimum because you lose no leverage

It's the best outcome because you guarantee a yes

[thick mango]

Apparently not. He gave up even less and got off egghead. That's evidently untrue

[grand flower]

"I have info you'd like" is less than the miminum and is not the best outcome

[thick mango]

It did lead to the desired outcome. It was beyond the minimum by definition

[grand flower]

Yes, but the fact that Caribou RISKED them saying no when he had an answer that would lose no leverage and would have GUARANTEED a yes is a sign that someone is lying to you

Caribou gave less than necessary, and in the process increased the chances of a bad outcome

Thats why we know he's lying

He had an option that would cost him no leverage and guarantee a better outcome

He didn't take it

[sweet anvil]

Couldn’t you argue him giving to to bb as well leads to bb killing him to get rid of any possibly liabilities or leaks

I think it’s in his best interests to not give the info to bb

[strong wadi]

hence why i said, "It still isnt a guarantee"

[grand flower]

You've never seen any story do this btw

There are no stories where the boss kills the subordinate so they can go find out themselves lmaooo

[sweet anvil]

Or twist it at the very least so as to make sure him living is necessary

[grand flower]

They get the info from the subordinate first

[strong wadi]

and at least on hachinosu, I'd say it's more likely he'd just be imprisoned, where as here, he just dies

[grand flower]

What story have you ever consumed where a subordinate says "I found XYZ" and the boss kills him and goes "Now I will go find XYZ instead of making you tell me since you already did that work"

[sweet anvil]

I think he wants to be taken to bb so he has a chance to formulate a plan to escape as opposed to being killed on egghead or left there

[grand flower]

Exactly

[latent hamlet]

A dumb boss

If caribou stays on egghead
He's 100% dying

[sweet anvil]

But the revolutionaries doesn’t sound plausible to me is my only argument

[latent hamlet]

At least with bb he has a chance

[grand flower]

Literally no story has ever done that crap Adam made up

[grand flower]

Why?

[thick mango]

No isn't the end of the conversation. That's when you creep along giving slightly more info

[grand flower]

Why would Caribou do this as the island is actively blowing up?

He doesn't have the time for that shit

And he's not dealing with reasonable people

He's dealing with maniacs

[thick mango]

Yes he does were talking like 2 minutes

[latent hamlet]

I think there are stories of bosses killing subordinates to prevent info leak but not "I'll do it myself'

[grand flower]

It makes no sense that Caribou is telling the truth AND played his cards so that he increased the risk they'd just leave him to die or kill him

If Caribou was telling the truth, he'd have just immediately said "I know about AWs"

He has literally no reason to play that game with them where "If that doesn't work, I'll give a little more, and if that doesn't work, i'll give a little more"

Because not only is the island actively being blown up

Why would he believe Auger and Devon would stand there and play along

[pine ridge]

I think you misunderstood adam's message completely

[thick mango]

Because Giving too much is just as much a death sentence as staying on the island

[grand flower]

I didn't

That's literally what his message says lol

He literally includes the boss saying "Now I will go discover it myself"

That's not the trope at all

The trope is the boss getting the info from the subordinate so he doesn't have to go do the work himself

[sweet anvil]

If the revolutionaries are hiding as a unknown but big presence in the underworld why would Caribou want to give them the info what would he gain from it also he isn’t gaining money from it because as you said he also wants to give them treasure so I’m assuming this person he wants to give it to has something outside of money to offer him presumably power or some kind of partnership or him joining As a subordinate for that he would have to be familiar with them to understand he benefits from joining them but as you theorise the revs would operate in the underworld as an unknown power

@grand flower

[grand flower]

All this means is that the Revo's presence in the Underworld gives some kind of impression of influence that Caribou would care about

I'm not gonna ignore that Caribou is already narrative bonded to the Revos due to his cover story and I'm not gonna ignore that weapons and money are the two things the Revo needs just because I don't know the full picture yet

We're reading to find out the full picture

We should still pay attention to the pieces along the way

[thick mango]

But it has to be greater than the obvious influence and potential for rewards that emperor blackbeard can provide

[sweet anvil]

Maybe not greater

But relatively close

[thick mango]

No it does have to be greater bc lying has the cost of bb wrath

[grand flower]

It doesn't even have to be close

It just has to be different

OR

[sweet anvil]

I don’t see how the revs could give the image of a prescence that giant without people catching on who they are

[grand flower]

Caribou can also not fuck with Blackbeard because we're clearly being set up for the reveal that Blackbeard slimed his pops

Wang Zhi sold out Rocks

Blackbeard slimed Wang Zhi

Now Caribou is doing Teach dirty

[sweet anvil]

Just a suggestion but wouldn’t you think cross guild is a very real possibility

[grand flower]

Yeah

[latent hamlet]

Then next is luffy
By accident

[grand flower]

I put Dragon higher because of the cover story

Crocodile would also want money and weapons

But Dragon has that and the cover story allusions

[grand flower]

"I can take you to ancient weapons" isn't too much

[thick mango]

But if we're still just in the realm of selfish rewards I don't see why bb is an unacceptable provider of those.
I still am at the point where you need to establish some other motive

[grand flower]

That's enough to guarantee acceptance and also little enough that they still need him

[grand flower]

I don't need to do that

I just need to substantiate that he's lying to Teach

[sweet anvil]

So Caribou gives this unknown prescence money and info on AW because he is impressed by them without knowing who they are

I just don’t see it being the revs ngl

[grand flower]

The other motive is simply a mystery not yet ellucidated by the story

[sweet anvil]

I feel like it has to be cross guild

[grand flower]

We have to wait for Oda to flesh that out more

[thick mango]

That's fine I'm telling you what I need to be convinced. Everything I've seen from him suggests he's purely selfish. If he were to act within these established selfish motives, the Smartest move is just telling the truth

[grand flower]

Cross Guild doesn't have anything as strong as the allusions created by the cover story

[fast pagoda]

New anime episode is buns im sorry

[grand flower]

And I'm pointing out that we know that is off the table already

[fast pagoda]

They adapted the "who will find the One Piece" spread horribly

[grand flower]

Caribou telling Teach the truth doesn't make any sense with what we've seen from Caribou

[strong wadi]

If there was a misunderstanding about it, I hope this page is helpful with figuring it out. https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HaveYouToldAnyoneElse

[sweet anvil]

Power on the level of bb , caribou could want to join , large black market presence, crocodile also is very interested in the AW especially pluton

[thick mango]

I don't find the analysis of the behavior on egghead convincing as I've explained

[fast pagoda]

I dont get why people think Caribou is lying about being a fan of Blackbeard

[grand flower]

None of your arguments for why Caribou would increase the danger when he has an option that would guarantee acceptance without losing leverage has held up

[fast pagoda]

If that was the case why did he say "I need to tell this to someone" in Wano

[thick mango]

Even if I were to grant that which I don't, I think it can just be as simple as he wasn't analyzing the exact perfect thing to say that maximized acceptance at that moment

[sweet anvil]

Crocodile is the oerson we’ve known to be most interested in pluton btw

[blazing depot]

I mean it’s not unreasonable tbh

He’s literally a snake

[thick mango]

The fact that caribou didn't pick the perfect pitch isn't the smoking gun you think it is. And I would still say he did actually make a good pitch getting off the island with the bare minimum of shared info

[grand flower]

1. What he told Devon and Auger is a lie he's told twice before about Luffy

2. Instead of saying "I can take you to ancient weapons" and guarantee they say yes without losing leverage, he plays his cards close to his chest and risks them saying no. In simpler terms, he choses to increase the danger to himself when he had an option that would have neutralized it completely

3. When he talks Devon and Auger, he has internal dialogue about the matter and none of that internal dialogue mentions Blackbeard. Internal dialogue is the only dialogue from Caribou that we can trust to be truthful, as outlined in the scene where he lies to Luffy in Udon

That very last thing I mentioned is very important

Manga relies on a lot of visual cues

Oda drawing that scene in Udon where Caribou is lying out loud and telling the truth internally sets how we should view him

What he says out loud doesn't mean shit

It's what he says internally to himself that we can trust because the only person he tells the truth to is himself

And none of his internal dialogue is about Blackbeard at all

Only his external dialogue because he's just being oppurtunistic there

[thick mango]

3 comes before the reveal that he allegedly idolized bb right

[grand flower]

Nope

He tells them first that he loves Blackbeard

And that he wants to give Teach info

When Auger responds questioning, he THEN has the internal dialogue to himself and it's all about how he knows where the weapons are

He reaffirms in his mind he has that info

Zero reaffirmation that he wants to tell Teach

what caribou says out loud means nothing

[fast pagoda]

Think I just found the funniest ai OP fanart

Its so bad

[grand flower]

It's definitely a smoking gun because Caribou is a deceitful person

He's not someone who tells the occassional lie

He's someone who gets by by lying, it's a main tool of his

He knows how playing others works

So when we see him doing things that are indicative of playing others - such as keeping information close you your chest that would have actually been beneficial to say out loud if what you're claiming was true - we know he's doing it on purpose

Caribou isn't giving a bad pitch by accident because we know that, as a master of deception, he wouldn't make that fuck up

[thick mango]

Wait you're conflating two internal things aren't you

[grand flower]

not at all

[thick mango]

I'm asking about the "you know who thought"

What chapter is that in

This is the internal thought under questioning which doesn't mention bb but has no reason to

[fast pagoda]

It's so awful

[thick mango]

Yeah I'm not asking about this. And this isn't what your 3rd point references

[tranquil blade]

This ai stuff still not believeable yet and hopefully the ai bubble pops before it is so at least it isnt used as often

[fast pagoda]

True

Fuck ai

[olive sigil]

Why is it fem Usopp?

[blazing depot]

https://x.com/khaled71697/status/2000224096580239568?s=46

BlueLeg🔥🇵🇸 (@Khaled71697)

#ONEPIECE1153
As a Mihawk fan I'm extremely disappointed at this scene @ToeiAnimation

I thought you would sneak Mihawk in with the rest of the important final saga characters

X · Dec 14, 2025, 3:19 PM

[fast pagoda]

Pop dat bubble

[blazing depot]

Insane ragebait

[grand flower]

Nope, the Udon scene - as i mentioned before - establishes that the difference between Caribou's internal dialogue and external dialogue is that the external dialogue cannot be trusted

[mighty shell]

usopp transitioned??????

[fast pagoda]

Gear 5 gave him breasts

[olive sigil]

Are they bouncy?

[tranquil blade]

Even if the economy gotta take a hit this has to end

[mighty shell]

sanji found dead in a ditch

[grand flower]

When we see Caribou saying something out loud and thinking something, we know that means what he's saying out loud isn't to be trusted

[thick mango]

I'm asking what chapter does caribou think about "you know who"

[fast pagoda]

Also Jinbe didnt even get anything lol

[olive sigil]

Please be real

[grand flower]

I'm not sure which one you're talking about

[tranquil blade]

Jinbe just happy to be there

[grand flower]

He has several of those

And its also not the scene I'm talking about

[fast pagoda]

Chopper too lol

[gloomy tree]

[thick mango]

That's the internal thoughts where it would be suspicious if his bb alleged idolozation were already revealed

[olive sigil]

I feel like this is Jinbe in every spread

[dense haven]

mihawkgate part two

you lose to see it

[thick mango]

But it hadn't been revealed it was before

[olive sigil]

My guy is just there chilling

[thick mango]

So it's just weekly manga bs keeping a reveal to yourself even in private thought

[grand flower]

It was

He reveals he adores Blackbeard at the end of the previous chapter

[thick mango]

Not of the panel you linked of the you know who panel what chapter is that

[grand flower]

Caribou saying he loves blackbeard came before that scene of his internal dialogue

[grand flower]

again im not sure why you're asking for that

it's beside the point

[thick mango]

Cause that's what would be suspicious

[olive sigil]

This got ruined by oda’s design

[thick mango]

It would be suspicious to refer to bb vaguely in private thought if that reveal already happened. But unless I'm mistaken that you know who private thought happened before the bb reveal. So it's not really suspicious it's just weekly manga contrivance

[grand flower]

it's already suspicious because we have scenes establishing that what caribou says out loud isn't worth anything

it's already suspicious because he's told this lie twice before

it's already suspcious because he chooses to go about it in a way that made the situation MORE dangerous for himself and he had no reason to do so

[thick mango]

That's point 2 not point 3

[grand flower]

what??

[blazing depot]

Yeah that’s what I was talking about he’s not really loyal to anyone

He’s an ass kisser tho

[thick mango]

I'm talking about your 3rd point that it's allegedly suspicious his internal monologuing doesn't reference bb

[dense rapids]

Caribou is tricking Blackbeard to get revenge on him for killing his father

[grand flower]

My third point is about him choosing to go "Hey I have info you'd like" instead of "hey i can take you to AWs"

[grand flower]

it couldn't be more obvious

[trim lily]

i will say caribou potentially being the son of wang zhi lends some credence to the idea of him wanting to get close to bb so he can do something

[thick mango]

That's the second point

[grand flower]

first off

how are you gonna tell ME

Second off, no it's not

I am telling you that my third point is him withholding info

[thick mango]

#also-manga message

[grand flower]

this is the updated list

The point of the internal dialogue

Again

The established dynamic with Caribou is that if he says it out loud, there's no reason to trust it

If he says it internally, that's all you can trust

[thick mango]

The internal dialogue under augur scrutiny has no reason to reference bb. The internal dialogue with "you know who" does

[grand flower]

So the fact that EVERY mention of Blackbeard is out loud

and NONE of his internal dialogue mentions Blackbeard

During a scene where the rest of what he's doing doesn't add up

As he says something else that we have seen him TWICE as a lie

All of that adds up to one thing

Caribou is lying again

[thick mango]

The internal dialogue that should have mentioned bb only doesn't out of bb reveal weekly manga contrivance. The second internal monologuing under augur scrutiny has no reason to reference bb

[grand flower]

Yup I pointed this out earlier

[blazing depot]

https://x.com/leleo2211/status/2000211851443892667?s=46

Leo | Sengoatku No. 1 (@Leleo2211)

Anime confirms its Akainu who said "Who'll protect the common folk then, you dolts?"

But they say he evil 🐶💔

X · Dec 14, 2025, 2:30 PM

HE IS

[grand flower]

The scene with Auger has no reason for the internal dialogue to exist at all

[blazing depot]

HE IS EVIL

[grand flower]

Because we already know everything he says there

[thick mango]

I mean there's plenty of stuff like that it's overly expository yes

[grand flower]

Oda includes it because Caribou having external dialogue and internal dialogue in the same scene is a sign he's in the midst of a lie

[grand flower]

But it serves a purpose

In the case of Caribou, it's that he's lying

[thick mango]

I think it's just to remind the reader caribou knows this

[gloomy tree]

so wait Caribou aint a Teach fan or what is the topic?

[thick mango]

Will caribou lie to teach

And why might he

[blazing depot]

He’s an oppurtunist

[thick mango]

What are his incentives and goals

[blazing depot]

It’s less he’s a fan of Teach but he’s telling that info for his own gain

[grand flower]

Caribou lied to Devon and Auger because he wanted a way to escape the buster call on Egghead

[blazing depot]

He’s just ass kissing

[trim junco]

congrats on usopp's transition

[gloomy tree]

i mean possible

[thick mango]

I think he can be lying about loving teach but that doesn't mean he will lie in this situation in front of teach where the selfish incentive is to tell the truth

[dense rapids]

Caribou crew is also gravedigger/underworld theme

It’s pulls from Mesopotamian myths

[grand flower]

Again, there's a true person he wants to tell

That alone is why he wouldn't tell them

And then there's him blatantly being the son of the guy Teach usurped

[thick mango]

And again I can't get there without an alternate motive beyond selfishness

[grand flower]

Who also sold out Teach's father

[thick mango]

If we're in alternate motive territory I could be convinced

[grand flower]

The idea that you can believe Teach started lying to them but not continued to do so

lmao

[thick mango]

What I find unconving is that lying aligns with his established selfish motives

Lying on egghead serves his selfish motives. Lying on hachinosu does not. It requires a different motive

[blazing depot]

SON…

[grand flower]

No it doesn't

[thick mango]

I think this is just the end of the road agree to disagree territory we been at it like an hour

[grand flower]

Idk why you're insisting on this when the incentive to lie is very simply "I've found myself in a position because I lied and now I have to keep lying before I escape or they're kill me"

[thick mango]

Cause lying on hachinosu carries considerable risk and telling the truth promises significant rewards

[thick mango]

On egghead it doesn't matter if he was lying or telling the truth. Both aligned with his gain.
But on hachinosu, lying is a cost/risk and telling the truth is aligned with his gain

[dense rapids]

Caribou has the swamp swamp fruit

Caribou = Enki

We also fight Caribou in the Abyss otw to FMI

Enki comes from the Abzu (Abyss)

[thick mango]

If the argument is oh he wants to avenge his dad so he's willing to take the risk. I can buy that. Or he's become a true believer in the revolution or something. Some other motive. But if he's still just all I care about is myself selfish old caribou, the move is to tell the truth

[grand flower]

And Dragon is directly opposed to the one with the Abyss powers

[grand flower]

His motive is whatever he thinks the true figure can provide him

[dense rapids]

Lowkey makes sense if Caribou is connected with them

His whole cover story is associated with Gabaru the father of revolution

[grand flower]

His cover story

Yup

[thick mango]

That exceeds what emperor blackbeard can give? And exceeds it enough to justify the risk that he just dies here if he tries to pass off bad info

[grand flower]

It evokes allusions to Che Guevara

[dense rapids]

Why do we think the same 😂

[grand flower]

Doesnt have to exceed

Just has to be different

[thick mango]

It does because it needs to overcome the cost/risk

[distant vine]

Wow I dont wanna be that guy but

You guys are still going on?

[grand flower]

It just needs to be valuable enough to Caribou

[leaden rivet]

Any discord argument that goes past like 45 minutes is circular

[grand flower]

We’re smart af

[thick mango]

You're right I think it's beaten to death. What else you got?

[grand flower]

Akainu claims pluton

[thick mango]

That's the same argument in a different hat lol

[grand flower]

Nopers

That’s happening regardless of Cariboi telling the truth

[thick mango]

If bb gets the info he can crack wano in like 3 days of effort

Maybe less

[grand flower]

Akainu can just travel through Mt. Fuji to get it

[thick mango]

It depends how capable augur warp had become

[distant vine]

Its too late for them

Tama is trained now

[thick mango]

Assuming caribou does give the info bb will leave for pluton very quickly and has more than enough powers to easily claim it

[distant vine]

They cant win

[thick mango]

The people of wano don't even need to get involved

[trim lily]

i feel like there’s no way BB will only take pluton and leave

surely he’ll ransack the country or something now that kaido is gone

[thick mango]

That's a way wano can kinda win

[grand flower]

https://tenor.com/view/klasik-clasik-clasic-gif-25398314

[thick mango]

Just make it too annoying/difficult to ransack

[trim lily]

there’s also the issue getting pluton out from the mountain lol

[thick mango]

Sanjuan could pick it up

[trim lily]

yeah but isn’t it below ground

[grand flower]

From magma? lol

[trim lily]

i guess pizarro could do his thing

[thick mango]

It's in a cavern pizzaro or bb or jesus could open

[grand flower]

Akainu is the only man who can claim it

[thick mango]

It can't be inaccessible in magma cause it was offered to luffy

[distant vine]

Akainu: Did we defeat Tama
Blackbeard: No...that was Kawamatsu...

[tough igloo]

yeah Pizzaro would be the easiest way and also allow Wano to not get destroyed

since they citizens been through so much , Oda might want to spare them even more destruction lol

[thick mango]

Yeah and preventing the ransack of wano is sufficient victory for them I think

[tough igloo]

yeah cause it seem like the main reason they didn’t want pluton unleashed is because it would destroy wano itself if the walls were destroyed .. but if it got stolen and it didn’t affect Wano at all , I think Wano citizens would still view that as a W

[leaden rivet]

Why does the anime episode look ass today

[frigid gulch]

[leaden rivet]

I thought that image of Luffy was a shitty fan art

[gloomy tree]

it didnt

at least to me

[leaden rivet]

I only saw one scene

The Joyboy haki

And it looked horrendous

[frigid gulch]

Really

That was supposed to be the best scene I imagine

[dense rapids]

I’m only seeing people shit on the ending

[sage temple]

[royal spire]

I literally cant wait to see Loki animated but we have to wait so long im gna cry

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1148259452357722235/1391413894982926417/IMG_5374.gif

[gloomy tree]

May nor June next year

[thick mango]

I should probably watch egghead anime at some point

[leaden rivet]

I think you’ll be fine

Not missing much

[thick mango]

Egghead itself was fine but the egghead cutaways are some of my favorite chapters in the whole series

[tranquil blade]

I mean objectively egghead in the anime is pretty well animated, at least the good parts are really good

[vestal mural]

You should def watch the bonika episodes

[prisma yacht]

[long basin]

ever since Oda goated Garp on hachinosu I don't need any more animations. well, I would watch the GV fight though, but I doubt it will be as good

[thick mango]

I'm on a train I wish I downloaded em

There's still 24 hours of train left

[rose rune]

that allows for a train of thought

[thick mango]

You'd think it has the potential to be productive but so far I've just gotten into discord arguments with this time

[trim lily]

many such cases

[royal orchid]

good morning

https://tenor.com/view/luffy-funny-usopp-hey-usopp-hard-nut-gif-27140534

good night

[glass veldt]

You think Imu has multiple voice actors?

[tranquil blade]

Possibly

[glass veldt]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Dqva8Nfabww

this video kind of isolated the scream and imu just sounds toatlly different when saing joyboy

no way its the same voice actor

unless they just used the black ops zombie scream like everyone says it sounds like lol

well to be fair voice actors can be hella talented so it is possible their gutteral rage malding scream sounds very different then their voice but...ehh who knows

Just something stuck on my brain that wont roll off

[blazing depot]

Yeah I immediately thought of cod zombies when Imu screamed lol

[thick mango]

I don't think it's just the direct output of some voice actor it's being throughly postprocessed

[glass veldt]

oh obviously there is some kind of distortion

but i dont wanna start any imu gender debate or shit but i think imus va when talking seems fairly female unless tis a heavily distorted male voice that sounds lighter

While the scream sounded very much male or more like an animal

so i just thought its possible imu has multiple voice actors perhasp for different sounds or...instances?

[glass veldt]

honestly it barely sounds like a human

I have not quite heard such a scream in a while. I assume its heavily processed

[blazing depot]

I honestly like it

Makes Imu more demonic

[glass veldt]

yeah i always wonder if it sounds like that t ojust distort the voice to hide it from the audience or if imu just sounds like that because they are a bloddy demon or so distroted by "magic" or whatnot

[blazing depot]

I subscribe to the idea that it’s like Venom

It’s like a symbiote in Imu

Or Imu is literally a symbiote possessing Lily

[glass veldt]

honestly maybe the true imu is just...inside the earth or something and the imu in pangea castle is just another vessel or anchor point

while i still think imu has a "normal body" and Imu just looks like a blob because only their shape is outlined and every detail, form or depth on their body is hidden" it is possible Imu is just a blob honestly who knows

[trim lily]

you must first kill the 8 imus to make the true imu appear

[glass veldt]

i dont think it makes for the most interesting final villian but if they can shapeshfit to their hearts desire maybe it works

i still kind of like to imagine imu actually has a weird "looney tunes" like ability that is a dark opposite to Luffy lol

like the way Imu just suddenly summoned a giant shotgun twice gunko' size to shoot the hand of the giant who held him did feel borderline looney tunes

imu sounds a lot more normal in the dub actually

still echo and processed but it is more clear

[deep chasm]

@ashen perch new poll/bet idea if not already been done. Which chapter will one piece end on? idk hwo many options can be put on a poll but there could be ranges like
1550-1160
1600-1650 etc

[prisma yacht]

Ooo nicee bet idea

We are on 1168 right

[deep chasm]

ye

[prisma yacht]

I say elbaf wld be wrapped up around 1200

hmm

[wraith mantle]

one piece spoilers soon

[deep chasm]

yea probably. Depending on how many poll options there could be. we could do 50 chapter increments from like 1400-2000

[wraith mantle]

lets goooooooooooooooooo

[prisma yacht]

considering the final war and one or two small arcs before it

[brittle basin]

how many years is 3-400 chapters?

[prisma yacht]

250 chapters more

[deep chasm]

uhhhhhhhhh

idk Im not educated in how many chapters we get per year anymore

I think its like 40 chapters a year?

[prisma yacht]

So my best guess is 1450-1500

[deep chasm]

so like 7-10 years ig

[deep chasm]

Ima go like 1590

[glass veldt]

wonder if the flashback arcc will be over before christmas

[trim lily]

we're at around 32-35 chaps a year rn

[wraith mantle]

aint no way

[deep chasm]

damn

[glass veldt]

ai actually meant turn of the year but probably not

[royal orchid]

only one more chapter for the year...

[wraith mantle]

we need at least 2 chapters

[prisma yacht]

yeah 40 chaps per year was prolly prime oda

[wraith mantle]

i thought 1169 is gonna be the last chapter of the year?

[royal orchid]

yeah that's what I said

[prisma yacht]

There's 1 more in between the breaks ig

[brittle basin]

I don't know if Oda can last another 10 years. I'm putting high doubts on that

[royal orchid]

3 break weeks back to back I'm quitting one piece

[wraith mantle]

oh nvm i thought you meant there was gonna be one after 1169

i stand corrected brother

[royal orchid]

writing three piece rn

[fallen meteor]

guys check it out

discord gave me a furry thing

[prisma yacht]

How big do u believe the final war wld be

[tranquil blade]

sigma

[prisma yacht]

Woahh

[royal orchid]

I always knew

[fallen meteor]

[prisma yacht]

kakoi marin san

[deep chasm]

oh idk I always tend to assume last arcs of manga will be the longest or near that

i dont remember how long wano was but something like that

[tranquil blade]

Wano was like 149 chapters long

So final arc will probably be like 150-200 chapters long

Closer to 200

[brittle basin]

1998 oda could do it in 50

[trim lily]

for one piece i tend to underestimate how long the final arc will be

cause things are a lot more split apart here plot wise unless you group up laughtale, void century and the war/post-laughtale into one

[deep chasm]

well yea it depends what other stuff happens

an arc about laugh tale thats not the same as a final war would turn down the chapter number for sure

[trim lily]

yeah things seem fairly straight forward unless oda brings in a massive reveal or shake up in the war arc

[deep chasm]

if we get void century stuff before the final war the arc can be like 100 maybe

[prisma yacht]

https://x.com/i/status/2000164334274797924

Kiri蛋挞 (@Ki2ri5)

X · Dec 14, 2025, 11:21 AM

[scarlet nacelle]

luffy's ass cannot read dawg

[prisma yacht]

He is pretending

So he doesn't get scolded

[fallen meteor]

she's reading it for him and he's looking at the imags

[prisma yacht]

So a picture book

https://x.com/i/status/2000051752239022168

hy9 (@hhyygg0)

X · Dec 14, 2025, 3:54 AM

[hazy echo]

https://x.com/SEGA/status/2000264600021778690

SEGA (@SEGA)

Our minds are NOT changing!

X · Dec 14, 2025, 6:00 PM

[urban sluice]

ehh

I feel like this applies to favorite colors

favorite characters can change any time

but once you choose your favorite color that shit doesntt change

[prisma idol]

What's yours

I will say when you pick a favorite color while it wont change you get more specific on the shade

[urban sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/turning-red-panda-mei-dancing-dance-turning-red-panda-gif-25179242

[hazy echo]

But you're blue

[leaden rivet]

People that say purple is their favorite color are trying to be different

[thick mango]

I dunno if I have a favorite color

[prisma idol]

No im blue

[grand flower]

You should pick one

[prisma idol]

My favorite color is Azure Blue specifically

The most blue a blue could be

[leaden rivet]

If you’re a guy the default is blue. So congratulations.

[trim lily]

that is pretty blue

[grand flower]

Kaido!

[hazy echo]

https://tenor.com/8ia8.gif

[pseudo gulch]

This is pretty blue indeed

[prisma idol]

My least favorite color

[hazy echo]

You hate Piccolo?

[trim lily]

i think my most hated colour has to be the brown/orange-greens

[prisma idol]

Dolfius HATES mixed colors

[trim lily]

call me greenbull the way i

[wraith mantle]

any spoilers out yet?

[prisma idol]

No

[thick mango]

When I used to make games I used FFD700 all the time for gold stuff. That's the only color hex I have in memory

[thick mango]

That's a strong gold for a coin or points or whatever

[stone terrace]

Real funny anecdote. A girl that i found real cute wrote a poem and used this color in it. So i've never forgotten it

She does onlyfans now funnily enough. But not nsfw!

Not sure how thats profitable but that applies to a lot of things doesnt it

[fallen meteor]

i like this one

we colorscaling?

i think i'm a really big green and orange guy

[long basin]

red > rest

[fallen meteor]

red and blue are too common for me

[long basin]

I like apples and tomatoes.

[fallen meteor]

this is very pleasing on my eyes

[prisma idol]

Ugly ass color

[prisma idol]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-disguting-stinky-gif-27366514

[dark nymph]

mango

https://tenor.com/view/mangoes-gif-10803556246534891292

[fallen meteor]

it looks like leaves i like it a lot

[trim lily]

fall pilled

[fallen meteor]

what can i say...guess i am

https://tenor.com/view/fall-guys-bean-fall-guys-emote-fall-guys-neener-fall-guys-neener-emote-gif-14566380457343656139

[royal orchid]

this the background of those really shitty tablets they used to make

the Samsung and Positivo ones

[fallen meteor]

Positivo my beloved

[glacial bear]

It’s a calming color

Makes me feel like I’m on a tropical island

[thick mango]

Do y'all think binks is an actual historical guy or just a fiction

[grand flower]

actual guy

with davy jones becoming real

i'm sure binks is too

i bet he's the original red hair

[trim lily]

i unfortunately cant deny it being a real person now

[pine ridge]

I think it's joyboy. Binks might be a completely fake and made up name but I think the song is about joyboy

[tranquil blade]

Look Davy Jones is a real guy so anything is possible

[frigid gulch]

Davy D. Jones

[thick mango]

Trying to think if there are any other mythological people who are probably real

I hope davys name is just Davy Davy Jones

[mighty shell]

the original vander decken but i doubt anyone's considering him mythological

[pine ridge]

Am I the only one that thinks vander decken and davy jones might've been the same person

davy jones probably knew about poseidon so it'd make sense if he tried to get it

and he was cursed to walk the sea floor

[thick mango]

What's the original Vander deckan about I don't remember at all

[vapid flower]

wish reindeer were real

[thick mango]

I got good news for you

[pine ridge]

sounds a lot like he was turned into a fishman and forced to live in the sea

[thick mango]

It'd be kinda awkward for the messaging of it all if the first Fishman was evil and cursed

[pine ridge]

loki is also evil and cursed

[thick mango]

But the whole thing is he's actually not

[pine ridge]

yeah

exactly

[glacial bear]

Imagine he made it all up

[thick mango]

People accuse law of making up his backstory for sympathy but no one's looking at loki

Suspicious

[trim lily]

hey now dont discredit me

ive said that many a time

[thick mango]

It even almost sounds like a story a middle schooler would make up

My mom threw me off the world tree but i climbed back up I'm just kinda awesome like that

[hazy turret]

[pine ridge]

"my mommy didn't love me and your idol shanks is actually a wg agent" yeahhh likely story

[glacial bear]

LMFAO

[keen quiver]

What is icon even saying

[hazy turret]

its the power of visual imagery

[thick mango]

I don't think it's the case but I would love it if lokis story is actually filled with lies

[glacial bear]

Loki is like trust me bro I have sources

It’s me. I’m the source

[stone terrace]

Sfw onlyfans accounts

It is a thing

[glacial bear]

Straw hat Fleet

[thick mango]

Will people pay for videos of me drinking and smoking

[trim lily]

maybe

[glacial bear]

Idk what Loki will do after Elbaph arc ends

Prolly uhh- hang with his bro Hajrudin

[dapper tree]

Join the SHs

easy

[trim lily]

this time for sure

[glacial bear]

Eat some good emergency shark meat

[thick mango]

Be mind controlled and serious wg threat for later

Or join bb

[sturdy lintel]

we spent half a year on this 💀

[timber pendant]

Was luffy scared or shocked

[glacial bear]

About what

[timber pendant]

During Joyboy's haki wave

[glacial bear]

Ohhh

He seemed surprised

Like woaaah

[dapper tree]

anime reactions non canon so it can be whaterver you want it to be

[pine ridge]

he'll join hajrudin as a co-captain

[sturdy lintel]

also how does loki know about all the rocks lore?

[glacial bear]

YES!

[hazy turret]

what makes you think he does

[glacial bear]

They’ll succeed Dory & Brogy as the new Kings of Elbaph

[urban lodge]

Loki made it all up to make Rocks look cooler

[glacial bear]

I wonder how Hajrudin & Loki laughs sound like

[marble inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/loki-one-piece-gif-6066045990477841212

[glacial bear]

I hope it’s goofy

[timber pendant]

How did the haki not affect any of the strawhat and their allies

[thick mango]

I'd love a second retelling of God valley that's completely different

[glacial bear]

Possessed Imu fact checks Gaban & Loki’s story lmao

Possessed Gunko I meant

Or Sommers can tell it since he was there

[pine ridge]

it only affected enemies

[dapper tree]

never

[glacial bear]

Elbaph needs a ruler

[timber pendant]

How'd emeth know who is enemy and ally

[glacial bear]

Or leader I should say

[timber pendant]

Do you know what I mean

[pine ridge]

vibes and stuff

[glacial bear]

Joyboy’s Haki likely sensed the spiritual intention of all the individuals within perimeter of the island

[marble inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/luffy-gear-5-luffy-elbaph-one-piece-elbaph-loki-one-piece-one-piece-loki-gif-6766770417161299192

[pine ridge]

I dont actually know but dorry and broggy mentioned that it had no hostility to it

[dapper tree]

they have jarul and dorry and broggy

Loki will be busy

[glacial bear]

I hope those 3 survive

[dapper tree]

being with the SHs

[glacial bear]

Maybe Loki will be a Vivi, Jinbe & Yamato situation

[thick mango]

I just want some kind of loki twist

[glacial bear]

Where he wants to join but rn he can’t or something like that

[thick mango]

A betrayal some lies anything

[glacial bear]

Like he’ll join later

[dapper tree]

Naw

Joining now

[thick mango]

Loki just being a good new friend for the 14th time is so boring

[glacial bear]

plus I wonder how he’ll accompany them on the Sunny

[pine ridge]

!sorry

[tropic nova]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/660200350749425688/1007704105340391494/unknown.png

[glacial bear]

They’ll need a bigger ship

[dapper tree]

Naw

Loki can change size

[frigid gulch]

He not joining

[glacial bear]

Like i can’t see Loki sailing a Viking boat behind the Sunny

[frigid gulch]

[dapper tree]

Naw

on the ship

[glacial bear]

He’ll be an ally for sure. I just don’t see him as the next next member

[dapper tree]

He will be

[thick mango]

I just don't really want him to be an ally it feels too formulaeic

[marble inlet]

loki would be cool as the next member ngl

[thick mango]

But maybe expecting a change in the formula this late is silly

[dapper tree]

very cool

[glacial bear]

I feel like Bonney & Lilith have become the new (maybe temporary) members on the ship

[pine ridge]

is loki the type of person that would make himself smaller just to get to be someone's underling

[dapper tree]

He wants to chill on the ship and eat

[marble inlet]

they are temporary for sure

[thick mango]

Wasn't loki a bit of a supremacist as a kid? Wouldn't getting small be against his ideals

[glacial bear]

Yeah Loki looks like a Momo situation where he has responsibilities to Elbaph

[dapper tree]

Bonney joins the Shs after Kuma dies for the third time

[thick mango]

Kuma dying for a third time to rise again would be pretty on brand

[glacial bear]

Giant Luffy & Loki would be pretty peak against Imunko

[dapper tree]

It's gonna happen

[thick mango]

Kuma is bear Jesus I don't know how you can see it any other way

[glacial bear]

I will cry if Imu cuts Brook’s Afro. That would be so evil

https://tenor.com/view/evil-sponge-bob-mermaid-man-mermaid-man-gif-5477357

[marble inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-brook-one-piece-brook-afro-silly-gif-4172977235440267036