also-manga

[thick mango]

Well that answers that

1983 doesn't feel like it was over 40 years ago

[rose rune]

https://tenor.com/view/jupeter-jupiter-one-piece-ju-peter-shepherd-ju-peter-one-piece-gif-2419885513280929239

[olive sigil]

Grandpa still hanging around?

[rose rune]

well... I'm born in 89... and I'll be 40 in not too long

[open mirage]

Im in an eternal state of want more chapter, but also oda plz rest

[shell scroll]

happy birthday

[rose rune]

I'm the same age as taylor swift

wowie

maybe I'm taylor swift

[open mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/grandma's-fake-teeth-flew-out-when-blowing-a-candle-viralhog-grandma-blew-out-a-candle-and-her-dental-implants-flew-out-gif-2177443156331695156

[gloomy tree]

thigh is even older than me

[olive sigil]

Taylor is old?

[rose rune]

well, she's my age, so practically from Jura

[thick mango]

I really would enjoy a loki bb team up

[olive sigil]

I remember seeing have her breakthrough as a kid. I didn’t think that much time has passed

[sage temple]

I hope they get along like Luffy and Kidd do

[rose rune]

lol, why didn't you just get born earlier

[olive sigil]

I wonder who posted Loki art

[thick mango]

Where loki gets to be the lens by which it's reinforced to the reader that bb is different from rocks

[open mirage]

This made me realize i am now closer to 40 then 20

[gloomy tree]

because i thought 90 was a nice round number

[olive sigil]

I’m closer to 50 than birth

[sage temple]

[rose rune]

very practical when you get dementia and have to count how old you are

[digital spear]

[thick mango]

Rocks was on his way to being king of the world but decided to save his family. Not only does bb have no family, he would sacrifice them for his plans in a heartbeat. He engineered the death of and actually landed the killing blow on his adoptive father

[runic dock]

Maybe that’s why rocks failed tho

If they’re following will of Davy

[graceful grove]

you mean the guy that ditched his actual dad to die ?

[runic dock]

Bb isn’t following rocks will

Davys will

Who knows if Davy cared about family

[digital spear]

Loki: I reject you Teach! You are not Rocks son!

[thick mango]

He was on the ground trying his best having gone into what he suspected was a trap

[open mirage]

Who the fuck gave you this irl photo of me

[graceful grove]

i doubt he was looking for his famiy at the bottom of the ocean xd

[digital spear]

30 year old west asian guy talking to a 60 year old east asian guy

[olive sigil]

Imagine being bald by 30

[digital spear]

Thats very common

[rose rune]

I know people who got bald in their 20s

[digital spear]

I was friends with one

[final trench]

Damn

[digital spear]

He was like 24

[olive sigil]

Marin got bald at 10

[final trench]

Rough times

[rose rune]

did he die from baldness?

[graceful grove]

uh huh

[digital spear]

Yeah, it was really tragic

[runic dock]

RIP

[olive sigil]

Rip baldo

[digital spear]

God this reaction thing fucks me up

[rose rune]

one of my best friends is bald

[runic dock]

One of my bald friends is bald

[olive sigil]

Yeah Marin is bald

[rose rune]

it's a shame I have to dump him now

[digital spear]

It feels unreal until it hits you or one of your close ones

[strong wadi]

a 24 year old guy in our class gets ragged on all the time for his hair 😭

[digital spear]

And I think hes only a little over 30 so there you go

[rose rune]

I was bald right after I was born, but I grew out of it

🥁

[fallen meteor]

i was also bald when born but it came back 🙁

[graceful grove]

oda should be more inclusive and make nami bald

[digital spear]

My cousin was balding at like 25 too

[hot cairn]

that will be me soon...

[rose rune]

jesus...

[digital spear]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-bald-gif-26454753

[open mirage]

[fallen meteor]

i had a full horseshoe shaped hair at the age of sixteen

[hot cairn]

it's the only thing I cant fix

...

it'll be over soon

[digital spear]

😔

[rose rune]

https://tenor.com/view/balding-white-chicks-gif-8309186738606886317

[open mirage]

Im one of those gonna die with a full set of hair kind of peeps, but probably die young (camparing to my family that is)

[digital spear]

Mythos of Gaming went bald at like 26

[brittle basin]

most men seem to bald

we have unlock the mysteries of why women don't bald

[rose rune]

I probably will get bald at some point as well, but for now I have my hair

it's grey tho

[brittle basin]

Gray is cool

my beard is getting grays finally

[sage temple]

Yeah it seems like Loki is being made toi conflict with BB since they have the same dream but them being on the same crew would be sick

[open mirage]

Regular showering and taking care of your hair, while not eating complete garbage?

[rose rune]

oh man, mine is full of gray patches

[fallen meteor]

i dont see BB and Loki on the same crew because that means one of them is superior to the other and that would suck for whoever isnt in command

both are born to lead

[brittle basin]

ew gross no. grabs McDonalds

[graceful grove]

wigs. they are hiding it

[tranquil blade]

literally hormones lol

[open mirage]

Bruh my hair has gone full salt n pepper

[brittle basin]

time to buy weave

[brittle basin]

I will buy hormones then. ez. gg. see y'all in two years

[tranquil blade]

The higher testosterone you have the more likely you are to bald, though there are exceptions

[hot cairn]

I wish I could die with a full set of hair

[brittle basin]

https://tenor.com/view/jay-wright-gif-11576693

you're like clooney now

[graceful grove]

https://tenor.com/view/mayweather-straight-face-relaxing-gif-9620033

[rose rune]

while you guys curse mortality I'll go play a game of worlde and go to bed

good night yall

[brittle basin]

g'night sweet prince

[fallen meteor]

i have a friend that likes to do this when she gets drunk

[digital spear]

Holy fucking shit im reacting to every message with 💀

[fallen meteor]

gn thigh

[digital spear]

New function is messing with me

[brittle basin]

there's no hope for you

[digital spear]

Goodnight

Oh right wordle

[graceful grove]

she is praying for them to come back

[rose rune]

fucking aced it

good night

[fallen meteor]

thigh before you go

tell me which game is the one you want to be announced the most

[digital spear]

Already back

[tranquil blade]

Bro is not the poll guy

[digital spear]

Kang vanished right in time

He wouldve abused this to death

[brittle basin]

that dude was annoying

[fallen meteor]

we will never know...

[winter oasis]

AHHHHHHHHH

[hot cairn]

old

[rose rune]

uuuhhhh

[hot cairn]

who's kang

[digital spear]

Wordle 1637 3/6

⬜⬜⬜⬜⬜
🟩⬜🟩🟩⬜
🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩

[digital spear]

The self reactor

[fallen meteor]

kang taeshik

[digital spear]

He made polls

in chat

[hot cairn]

must've missed him, dont know the guy

[brittle basin]

If NPC was a user here, it would've been Kang.

[fallen meteor]

a manga user

#manga

[hot cairn]

ahh

[brittle basin]

stfu mail

[fallen meteor]

he showed up here like once every 6 months

[formal wagon]

[response redacted]

[rose rune]

beyond good and evil 2

[fallen meteor]

Computer, unredact this message

[formal wagon]

im excited for digimon 2

[fallen meteor]

🫰 it will happen

[open mirage]

My condolences comrade 🫡

[rose rune]

doubt

[formal wagon]

I was just thinking about one of my favorite pokemon, milcery, and i realised that it's designed like a digimon and thats why i like it

one of pokemon's best pokemon in decades and its just a digimon

https://tenor.com/view/milcery-alcremie-milk-cake-pokemon-gif-20439526

why are there no good milcery gifs

[fallen meteor]

looks like a baby digimon

[olive sigil]

It looks like an axolotl

[formal wagon]

its milk

[olive sigil]

Yummy

[formal wagon]

its shiny is scary

[fallen meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-alcremie-cute-music-gif-14512258

[formal wagon]

evil milk

[fallen meteor]

i like the evolution

[formal wagon]

alcriemie is whip cream

[shell scroll]

alcremie is so cute

[formal wagon]

and to make whip cream out of milk you have to

so evolving milcery is immoral

[fallen meteor]

you have to like
spin it

right?

something like that

[digital spear]

Fullmetal Alcremist

[formal wagon]

milk = cream

whipped cream

[hazy turret]

Salutations

[formal wagon]

the "spinning" is something more sinister

and you have to give it a candy to apologize

but it doesn't even eat the candy it wears it like a twisted memento

[fallen meteor]

hello rocáia

meiubocsis

Ípsilon Cê

[hot cairn]

last chapter of the year (officially) next week

this year was awful

[tender heart]

Yurr

[formal wagon]

yeah 2025 mid

bottom 2k years

[scenic dirge]

“2026” just doesn’t have much aura tho

I think this might be a filler year

[tender heart]

Yooo I hope they bring this back

[hot cairn]

I hope it's better than whatever 2025 was

[dense rapids]

The will of rocks lives on

[hot cairn]

Buggy vs Socrates, who can post a collage more

[dense rapids]

Mines isn’t headcanon

[tranquil blade]

This collage really makes me notice how much Oda's art style has changed

[hot cairn]

sure buddy

[dense rapids]

Oda doing this on purpose

[tranquil blade]

Marineford honestly looked a little better

[distant vine]

Friend asked me "Why is there a genderbent Luffy with Gear 5" lol

[grand flower]

I canr wait to see how Kid ended up inheriting rocks’ will too

[strong wadi]

this is so forced lol. You are only making us buggy theorists look bad

[dense rapids]

“Forced” when it’s literally a mirror

You’re not a buggy fan

[grand flower]

Don’t get bogged down with him

The visual similarities are clearly striking

[dense rapids]

People coping

[grand flower]

That’s just someone beint comtrarian

[grand flower]

Theyre also a bad faith arguer

Don’t waste your time fr

[hot cairn]

truly making you guys look like the ZKK fellas

[vital heart]

Buggy is objectively the son of Rocks or Eris (not both)

[tranquil blade]

It's a good collage post it to X the everything app

[dense rapids]

I can keep going

[grand flower]

I think he might just be related to a relative of Rocks

[vital heart]

Either brother from another mother or brother from another father.

[grand flower]

We know there were more Davy in Me valley

And we found out Rocks had a living grandmother and father

[dense rapids]

[grand flower]

Buggy could be his nephew or something

[thick mango]

That I wouldn't mind.

[grand flower]

You shouldn’t mind anything before you’ve read it play out

[thick mango]

I mean I dunno if it adds too much I'd be fine without it

[dense rapids]

“Buggy isn’t connected to rocks stop reaching”

[grand flower]

Yeah these angles seem deliberate

[dense rapids]

Oda going to the old panels and tracing them 😂

[strong wadi]

#1 it was garp who punched him and then you have Roger in the panel on the left

#2 the panel you have, the punch to buggy's nose happens and then you get the panel on the rigbht. In the bottom scenario, the left panel happens before the right panel.

It's literally purposely made to be deceptive

[golden valley]

Yall cant be serious brk

[dense rapids]

What

[frigid gulch]

hogwash

https://tenor.com/view/smh-shake-head-no-disagree-gif-17744233

[dense rapids]

Garp punched rocks

Luffy punched Buggy

https://tenor.com/view/pera-algorand-algo-hopium-copium-gif-16765445473855345349

[thick mango]

The facts as I understand them now seem to make buggy being rocks son impossible. It would annoy me if family man rocks never spared a thought for his son.
Also I just prefer it that buggy can inherit part of rocks will without being his son

[strong wadi]

I probably just mistyped your deceptive editing, assuming you made this edit yourself. In that case, especially shame on you.

[dense rapids]

I think it might be a Luffy and Roger situation

[shell scroll]

what did u say

[distant vine]

I explained Bonney's powers and why she can do that

He understood luckily

[grand flower]

What is Adam yapping about lmao

[dense rapids]

Idk

[shell scroll]

fair

[tranquil blade]

Adam you are getting baited so hard rn

I'm just letting you know

[strong wadi]

Garp punched rocks. You then have Roger and Xebec going Forehead to Forehead.

Garp Punching Rocks happens chronologically after the Roger/Xebec forehead to forehead thing.

Luffy punches Buggy and the same character goes forehead to forehead.

In the top part, luffy punches buggy and then they do forehead to forehead, which means the chronological order is the opposite as shown on the top.

The editing is trying to make it seem like Roger punched Xebec and then went forehead to forehead with Roger.

[thick mango]

If oda gonna lean into bb isn't rocks in the future development of bb maybe with loki then the natural question is OK if bb didn't really inherit rocks will, who did?

[dense rapids]

You’re in too deep

[grand flower]

This dude is legit struggling to understand why someone would draw a connection between luffy and both Garp and Roger

[strong wadi]

Damn, some days i wish the baiters would go back to #manga Banish Buggy, Socrates, Hathor and Shuron there mods 🙇‍♂️

[grand flower]

The former is his grandfather

[hot cairn]

👆🏽

[grand flower]

And the latter is previous era analog

[dense rapids]

How am I baiting you ?

[grand flower]

But Adam is gonna pretend linking luffy to both ans not just one or the other is invalid for

Reasons

[dense rapids]

People trying to ignore this exact mirror

[grand flower]

Adam isn’t getting baited he’s just a contrarian

[brittle basin]

You used to be a mod.

[grand flower]

The last time we spoke, he completely botched understanding what I said about dragon

Then when I rephrased he blocked me instead of owning up to making a mistake lol

He’s gonna pretend buggy isn’t making reasonable comparisons for the sake of arguing

[strong wadi]

Yeah, but I'm not gonna join back for bad reasons 😂

[dense rapids]

Yea he’s just yapping

[ruby moat]

true he was also disagreeing with my take that rocks and yasopp are the same exact person

[woven talon]

asking someone to be a mod again is like asking someone to return to nam

they just aren't gonna do it

[thick mango]

i dont think its at all really tinfoil ultra speculative ground to say buggy is similar to rocks. Look at the cross guild, its much closer to the rocks pirates than the bbp are. But I do not think hes his bio son

[grand flower]

Hmm I wonder why people would ever draw parallels or comparisons between luffy and Garp

Must be bait

[woven talon]

I honestly just think Buggy was a boy they picked up so Shanks wouldn't be lonely

[ashen perch]

The Rocks Buggy thing is just not leading to a blood relationship atp and I think people really have to give up on that

[dense rapids]

Just saying, I can pull up more Rocks and Buggy parallels/mirrors than Blackbeard and Rocks

[ruby moat]

BB inherited Imu's will and Buggy inherited rocks' will

[strong wadi]

I'm arguing that specific parallel is deceptive. The overall point is good, but it weakens the argument as a whole.

[leaden rivet]

Just called everyone out

[woven talon]

Buggy is a Roger stan

[grand flower]

I really hope buggy’s family was sent away by Kuma then they found him when he was older becausw it’d be a craxy quirk of fate that Shanks and Buggy were born on the same island, separated by the same incident, then taken in by the same crew at two different points

[ruby moat]

and a rocks stan as well, just unknowingly

[woven talon]

I don't want even more people to be from God valley

it's busy enough

[grand flower]

Why is it definitively not leading to a blood relation when we unceremoniously got the reveal that Rocks had living relatives

Mind you

[ashen perch]

My personal idea is that he is gonna be yet another example of inherited will being unrelated to blood ties.

[thick mango]

I do think people sometimes lean towards overly pattern matching where in a series with 1000+ chapters some amount of apparent but unintended patterns will emerge

[grand flower]

We also find out that the Davy clan has been surviving via the underworld the same time rocks reveals he has other living relatives

[grand flower]

And buggy has spent the entire post-time skip doing tjis

[dense rapids]

It’s either Buggy is Rock’s Luffy or he’s just a Davy member as well

[woven talon]

I feel like we read diffrent series

[dense rapids]

Nobody has these type of parallels other than Roger and Luffy

[woven talon]

where is this coming from?

[grand flower]

Rocks also being revealed to have blue hair

It’s clearly setting up theyre related

Father-son relationships are the only ones that exists

Nephew, distant cousin, anything is possible

[sweet kettle]

lol

[woven talon]

this is just a meme i assume

[ashen perch]

Eh I mean the concept of Xebec having a 2nd child is silly now, he's not gonna be with another woman and Eris would be with both her sons if she has another I feel

[grand flower]

Oda’s laid out plenty of hints theyre connected and revealed to us rocks has numerous living relatives

[grand flower]

I didn’t say anything about being his child

Buggy can be Rocks’ nephew

[sweet kettle]

im 99% sure buggy is related to davy d xebec

[urban lodge]

There's 100% a connection there but I think it's an inherited will thing

[leaden rivet]

Ohhhhhhhhh my god

[ashen perch]

Nephew might as well not matter honestly, just go with the inherited will route

[thick mango]

using this as an example I bet if you really looked youd probably find at least 3 other characters who could fit this pattern. We'll never know for sure cause idt either one of us is gonna take the time but its like 20k pages im pretty confident they exist

[grand flower]

If you made theories when the flashback started about rocks’ grandmother and father, Yall would be saying the same shit about that that you’re saying about Buggy

[ruby moat]

True and also notice- in the beginning of the series, Buggy destroyed Orange Town with his Buggy Ball- but get this.. Orange Town was evil, just like the towns that Rocks destroyed

[grand flower]

It’s really silly to plant your flag in them having no blood relation after Oda’s laid out so many hints then revealed apropos of nothing that rocks just has relatives out and about

[dense rapids]

The will of xebec lives on

[ashen perch]

I always knew there was something up with that Boodle

[ruby moat]

I feel like some of these should be made more prominent than others

[dense rapids]

I couldn’t do it perfectly I’ll make another later 😭

[grand flower]

The fact that Rocks having relatives was revealed with such an understatement says a lot

It’s basically Oda doing the “doo doo doo, nothing to see here” thing

[ashen perch]

I think the poster one is really the only one that matters, and maybe that panel where he looks like Teach and Buggy at the same time

[grand flower]

Alright bruh

lol

[thick mango]

I guess my other problem with it is what does that add. I guess we cant know until it happens but in a world where people often inherit the will of others unrelated by blood why is it better that they be related

[grand flower]

Then people gonna act surprised when we find out buggy is a Davy

[ruby moat]

the poster one and the one where they both talk about ruling the world are the most compelling imo

[grand flower]

Yeah we said the same thing about teach and rocks chief

[hot cairn]

adam has you blocked?

[ruby moat]

these ones dont add much i dont think

[grand flower]

Yeah bro it’s genuinely funny

He thought I said dragon sent Carivou after luffy

When I told him that’s not what I meant he just blocked me

[urban lodge]

Buggy saying he wants to be king of the world too

[thick mango]

But I think in teach and rocks' case it actually is going the other way, which is accomplishing something. Its saying that despite the blood relation and similarites theyre actually very different

[ashen perch]

The rest seem like coincidences to me, I don't think Oda is putting these panels side by side to draw them. I don't think Domi Reversi was meant to reference Buggy's suffering at the hands of Crocodile and Mihawk

[leaden rivet]

Giving oda far too much credit

[ashen perch]

I am talking about the panels specifically, the connections are real

[grand flower]

And you don’t see how that’s already something that’s apparent with rocks being a powerhouse and buggy being, well, buggy?

[leaden rivet]

But it’s just confirmation bias more than anything

[dense rapids]

Buggy is also connected to Davy jones

[ruby moat]

these are the best ones but they're covered up and hard to make out bc of all the other bullshit

[urban lodge]

The bounty is definitely not a coincidence, zero chance, it's the exact same, fingers and all

[grand flower]

It’s also mirrored

[leaden rivet]

I don’t find buggy that interesting of a character to begin with, but all these people being related does just make the world feel smaller and smaller.

[ruby moat]

no

[grand flower]

It’s literally a parallel

[urban lodge]

Yeah

[ashen perch]

Like just no

Inverted actually

[ruby moat]

U gotta focus on the more compelling ones and get rid of the ones that are a stretch

quality > quantity

[leaden rivet]

If Buggy is actually rocks spawn then what?

[ruby moat]

buggy upscale, and thats what matters

[ashen perch]

Its laterally inverted, another one for the inversion bros (me)

[dense rapids]

“Crush the marines/navy”

[thick mango]

im talking about rocks and bb, not buggy

[ruby moat]

this one is alright but its not the "crush the marines" part its the "King of the world" part

[leaden rivet]

Rocks cheated on his wife? No maybe they had a secret child that was never mentioned? Or perhaps he’s a cousin? But at that point them being related loses significance.

[ashen perch]

King of the World thing is undeniable, Cross Guild being like Rocks Pirates too imo, the bounty poster inversion is very clear too, its all there

[vital heart]

Hey guys

[urban lodge]

I would say the destroying the marines part is important too because that's kinda what Cross Guild is doing

[ashen perch]

I just don't believe in a blood connection anymore

[ruby moat]

HI

[sweet kettle]

i wonder why oda decided to draw davy jones

[grand flower]

Cmon dawg

[sweet kettle]

doesnt this imply he just didnt know at the time that he wanted to make davy d jones a relevant character to the story

[leaden rivet]

Then what could there be between them?

[ashen perch]

Inherited will

[urban lodge]

Buggy is to Rocks as Luffy is to Roger

[ashen perch]

Like Roger and Luffy

[grand flower]

You seriously don’t see how buggy can also be a Davy

[ruby moat]

this one is especially wild bc Rocks has a big nose.

[leaden rivet]

I mean I suppose that’s better but I don’t think it works well with buggy

[thick mango]

Im not disagreeing with the similarities, im saying the similarities and the inheriting of rocks will is better if buggy is not at all blood related to rocks. To contrast with bb, who is blood related but did not really inherit rocks' will

[shell scroll]

and cuz buggy covers it

[ruby moat]

[grand flower]

I don’t agree at all

[leaden rivet]

Based on how rocks character went I don’t think he was trying to rule the world out of pure greed

But buggy appears to be doing just that

[shell scroll]

buggy has puregreed?

[leaden rivet]

They both have the same outward goal but the will I don’t think is there

[grand flower]

Idk why yall don’t understand the blood relation can literally just be both are Davy

[dense rapids]

Buggy is just greedy like Nami

He isn’t evil

[shell scroll]

yeah

he wants treasure but hes not evil he just wants the bag

[thick mango]

but what does that accomplish though other than being a cheap surprise. What gets better by buggy being a davy

[ashen perch]

He was born in the Grand Line one year before GV was destroyed, I guess its possible that he was somewhere but I feel like the clan would prefer to stay with each other usually

Buggy also inherited the will of Davy

[shell scroll]

it brings more reason as to why he was with roger

[leaden rivet]

It just continues the ongoing trend of everyone who is relevant in the final war having some blood relation

[dense rapids]

Oda saving the best for last

[ashen perch]

Well people do tend to have parents, that's pretty common I feel

[grand flower]

I don’t really know how to answer your question becausw I don’t comprehend viewing story hypotheticals tjis way

Obviously if Oda does it, he’s gonna be doing sumn with it

[tranquil blade]

Yeah but not everyone's parent is important

[ashen perch]

I am sure Buggy will have parents, he didn't spawn on Earth

[grand flower]

We are reading to find out these things

[ashen perch]

Or bluestar

[leaden rivet]

[tranquil blade]

It's not like every person you meet has a famous parent

[shell scroll]

i dont think i care if he has a blood relation to rocks but itd be cool to understand how he managed to go with roger etc cuz hes a kid like shanks and shanks had a pretty good reason

[grand flower]

Do we know what Oda intends to do with buggy being a Davy? Probably not. Just like we didn’t know what Oda intended to do by giving Momo a fake intro box

[ornate tartan]

the most recent episode was animated nicely just saw it

[grand flower]

The people who noticed the box was fake weren’t any less valid becausw they couldn’t tell you where Oda was going with it

[shell scroll]

bonney nika amazing isnt it

[thick mango]

well well probably find out soon cause i think its buggy's turn to go next. They need to get wrapped up into the mix before its the proper unified end and theyre the faction that currently has the least stakes so if we're building in stakes over time theyre first

[ornate tartan]

the reception for it was much better then the manga

[leaden rivet]

The only way I could like this is if it’s inherited will, buggy being special just takes out anything special about him

[shell scroll]

yeah this is why i still watch the anime its nice to see it animated

[urban lodge]

Maybe anime onlies aren't so bad

[golden valley]

😭

[thick mango]

the ending is a snowball that needs to pick up all the people along the way and the cross guild is up next

[ashen perch]

Well there's varying degrees of famous but I have met a few

[grand flower]

@dense rapids I bet when Gaban told Shanks he was a child of destiny, the other implied one was buggy

[leaden rivet]

ArsalWise that’s not the point

[dense rapids]

[leaden rivet]

It’s not about them having “parents”

[grand flower]

A Davy and a red hair from the same island, separated by the same incident then found by the same crew at different points

It’s something Oda would do

[tranquil blade]

and idk I dont think Buggy being related to Rocks does anything for his character that couldnt be done without the blood relation

[leaden rivet]

It just makes the audience gasp at this new big reveal

[grand flower]

We said the same thing about Blackbeard and Rocks

[golden valley]

No

[leaden rivet]

And we’re all in awe about how much of a goat oda is

[tranquil blade]

Yeah and they didnt necessarily have to be related either

[grand flower]

And look how they turned out

[ashen perch]

I think Oda likes to explore his characters and considers parental relationships to be a major influence on the characters, "famous parents" is just a natural result of that because we have important characters being tied to important things

[grand flower]

“Necessary” is very rarely a real thing with stories

[leaden rivet]

Blackbeard was like the last character that needed to be special

[ashen perch]

??

[grand flower]

The idea that Oda would do tjis and it serve no purpose is a non-starter

[golden valley]

Blackbeard was always gonna be special

[grand flower]

It’s not worth entertaining becausw why would Oda do that

[golden valley]

How is anything about bb surprising

[leaden rivet]

I don’t mean special in that way

[ashen perch]

His whole gimmick was hiding just how special he actually was

[dense rapids]

The next time Buggy appears in the current time will be legendary

[golden valley]

Rocks being BB father is predictable

[leaden rivet]

Yes yes he never slept and he can carry 2 fruits

That’s not what I meant

[brittle basin]

Buggy not being special would be nice but a compelling argument was made that him being special is perfect 'cause it would fit neatly with the falling upwards shtick

[ruby moat]

we also knew his lineage was special bc of what saturn said

[golden valley]

But I always thought it’d be because of lineage

[clever wedge]

Buggy failing upwards will be even more impressive if he's not from a special lineage

[golden valley]

So BB would always have had a special bloodline

[leaden rivet]

Yeah and I think it being lineage based just devalues it. I hope rocks can’t carry 2 fruits

[leaden rivet]

He wouldn’t always

[ashen perch]

People normally aren't just spawned with all that

[tranquil blade]

Okay Shuron give me 1 reason why Buggy being related to Rocks would be good

[leaden rivet]

It’s mostly recently introduced

[tranquil blade]

or matter

[leaden rivet]

Big mom in question

Some people are just built different

[grand flower]

I Highkey don’t want to

[leaden rivet]

And Blackbeard could’ve been that

[golden valley]

Its better if its unique to him yes

[leaden rivet]

His response to rocks could’ve been an inherited will

[ashen perch]

I'm ngl I think there's an explanation to how BM works too

[grand flower]

I really hate when people respond to “here’s a potential pattern” with “nah, let’s not entertain it because what’s Oda doing with it”

[golden valley]

Wdym

[grand flower]

Not knowing what Oda is doint with something is not a good reason to dismiss discussing it happening

[ashen perch]

her being a semi giant with regular parents

[shell scroll]

elbaph human soul caramels past is still hidden but we know shes abig shot

[golden valley]

agreed

[hot cairn]

you’ve gone soft smh

[grand flower]

I have an answer btw

I just hate this perspective

[ashen perch]

There's probably some explanation to it

[grand flower]

Think I’m just old now

[leaden rivet]

I don’t think there is

[grand flower]

I don’t have the same patience I did before

[golden valley]

I don’t think BM has a special lineage tbh

[leaden rivet]

Oda has missed quite a few chances

To do such

[sage temple]

Yeah the most related people to Rocks nowadays have some pretty special aspects

[golden valley]

BM feels like a mutation

[hot cairn]

yeah entertaining stuff you think it’s silly feels like a waste of time when you’re old

[golden valley]

Just a monster created by chance

Kaido too

[ashen perch]

Well see that's the thing, the assumption that there's not an explanation is what lead you to think that BB's mega special physical body just had no explanation either

[golden valley]

Actually bvm

Kaido might have something special in his blood

[grand flower]

I can’t help but think about all the plot developments that weren’t readily apparent thru out the series until way later

[dense rapids]

Blackbeard has altered bloodline elements

[ashen perch]

I don't think there's chance mutation when we have lineage factor in this series that can be artificially manipulated

[hot cairn]

a lot of Wano, Egghead and Elbaph honestly

[grand flower]

Like for example, what is the link between Wano and Alabasta now that we know they both are so pertinent to Pluton

[golden valley]

Then the second option would BM being experimented on

[golden valley]

At some point in her life

[dense rapids]

Neither Blue or whatever hair color Eris has

[leaden rivet]

I didn’t say that it had no explanation, I was arguing against it being lineage based

[grand flower]

If someone replied to that with “well what does them being linked do for the story” I’d treat that the same way

Sometimes we just don’t know where things are headed

But we can still see theyre there

[urban lodge]

Genetically engineered supersoldier BB

[fallen meteor]

game awards starting soon
we will have iñaki appear on stage and reveal an elbaf pack for PW4 and it spoils Loki's DF soon

[leaden rivet]

This lowk better than rocks

[golden valley]

Sounds bad when you say it out loud

It aint better than rocks

[urban lodge]

Honestly it probably is

[golden valley]

Rocks and BB being connected is fantastic

[leaden rivet]

-rocks pfp

[golden valley]

But Im no rocks glazer

[leaden rivet]

Yeah aight

[golden valley]

I have limits

[sage temple]

Why would BM have a special body when Whitebeard is pretty massive too

[grand flower]

Yeah that’s the only special feature of BMs body

[ashen perch]

Its an old theory of mine that never got to pan out, but my explanation on how BM works was built on the irony of her gigantification experimentation obsession. That what she has aimed for during her entire life is what created her in the first place, and she's the only success of it without being aware of it.

[grand flower]

Being large

Not the innate super strength or durability

[golden valley]

BM is different than WB to me

[shell scroll]

you never know the anicient kindom was so advanced that a group of peopel couldve passed down blood manipulation techniques and carry it through

[golden valley]

She seems to have pretty abnormal tough skin

[tranquil blade]

BM getting giant swords broken on her but yeah that's just like normal and shi

[grand flower]

As a child

[ashen perch]

People shit on Jorul but like he was fighting a freak

[leaden rivet]

Whitebeard is big but he has no toughness

[grand flower]

Meanwhile adult Whitebeard can be stabbed

[golden valley]

So size + durability makes her seem more unnatural

[tranquil blade]

Whitebeard is definitely a little abnormal but Big Mom is like ultra-freakish in her physical attributes

[ashen perch]

Blades dont work on BM, that's what Bege said

[leaden rivet]

Big mom>Shanks?!

[sage temple]

WB getting half his brain blown off and taking multiple shots through the body but yeah that's just like normal and shi

[ashen perch]

Can't say that about WB when he has numerous stabbing wounds on him at the time of his death

[tranquil blade]

Well tbf with good enough haki I could see blades working but normal swords wont do anything

[ruby moat]

i got big mom > bb idk about shanks tho

[golden valley]

WB is highly abnormal, I think he has pretty up there physicals

Just not the same toughness as BM

[sage temple]

Yeah but does that really take genetic modification bruh

[leaden rivet]

That’s just his resolve

It has nothing to do with abnormal body shit

[sage temple]

Being able to function like that takes a little more than resolve imo

[ashen perch]

It could be genetic modification, we know the WG has pursued gigantification for centuries too

[dense rapids]

I thought big mom not being able to be damaged was because of haki and that’s why they had to knock her out

[tranquil blade]

No she's just like that

[golden valley]

I never understood it

[sage temple]

They have? When

[tranquil blade]

I mean haki can hurt her

[golden valley]

Actually, no, I did understand it

[ashen perch]

No she didn't have haki at 5

[dense rapids]

I’m talking about on WCI

[golden valley]

It stemmed from people thinking BM emotional state = her defense getting nerfed bc shes not using haki

[ashen perch]

Law mentions it during Punk Hazard

[leaden rivet]

Did she use haki as an amnesiac?

[ashen perch]

I know but she was that way since her childhood, that was the point

[ruby moat]

Nah it's not haki it's some unique shit with big mom. She's got crazy defense except for when she's in that shriek mode, when in that mode she can be harmed

[sage temple]

Oh alr

[golden valley]

https://scans-hot.planeptune.us/manga/One-Piece-Digital-Colored-Comics/0859-013.png

[tranquil blade]

Big Mom operates on different rules from a regular person when it comes to her durability

[golden valley]

This was the basis for the “BM defense is from haki”

[grand flower]

@tranquil blade I like and respect you so I actually am gonna answer your question

I think the point of Buggy being a Davy will be to highlight that the Davy’s winning trait isn’t strength, it’s their ability to draw in followers

[ruby moat]

yea they just call it "Defensive Resistance"

[tranquil blade]

Hmm

[grand flower]

Buggy and Rocks being completely opposite sides of the power spectrum but both being charismatic people people

However

I think it can also highlight that buggy did it right

[golden valley]

This is evidence for mental nerf btw

[sage temple]

Hmmm

Seems like flow state

[grand flower]

Rocks had powerhouse strength to rely on, buggy doesnt

As a result buggy makes better use of the Davy charisma

He draws in better allies because, unlike rocks, he had to

[ruby moat]

is luffy a davy too bc he also has that ability to draw in followers

[leaden rivet]

Here we go again. Everything cool about a character being attributed to their lineage.

[grand flower]

The irony will be that Buggy is seemingly building a crew of backstabbers who don’t really care about him like rocks did

[grand flower]

But in their grand hour they will actually come thru for buggy

The contrast being rocks’ people didjt

[grand flower]

Yeah we have several scenes of them beginning to doubt buggy

Through sheer charisma and respect, buggy keeps them on his side

Rocks had no problem with he and his crew emphasizing they were only it for themselves

[sage temple]

I think Buggy just shares some of Rock's morale stuff idk about being related though

[grand flower]

Buggy on the other has scenes where he goes “my success? Naw, OUR success”

[urban lodge]

Buggy also has followers who follow him willingly unlike Rocks, and I feel like even Croc and Mihawk will too at some point after they realize they can benefit from letting him lead

[shell scroll]

and becomes yonko

[grand flower]

https://tenor.com/view/it-doesnt-matter-what-you-think-the-rock-it-doesnt-matter-it-doesnt-matter-the-rock-wwe-gif-23888723

[grand flower]

Exactly

[sage temple]

https://tenor.com/view/i-could've-sworn-there-was-a-gif-of-this-whatever-squid-game-squid-game-edit-squid-game-edit-meme-i'm-so-scared-gif-12360771953743496060

[grand flower]

Direct contrast to rocks

[grand flower]

Get your candy ass outta here

Come back when it’s a Loki chapter

[ashen perch]

The World...

[sage temple]

This is a Loki chapter

[grand flower]

Nah I’m jk Socrates

[tranquil blade]

I mean I definitely see that similarity between Buggy and Rocks, though something seems particularly special in his leadership skills to me, he feels almost like a messianic figure at times with how he speaks to his followers

[grand flower]

Don’t come back even then

Nah I’m jk socrates

[near scroll]

14 more days till phonksmas

[ashen perch]

Whatever that means

[tranquil blade]

Alr get this off my screen

[leaden rivet]

20 days left I think

[dense rapids]

“Joy to the world, the Lord is come
Let earth (let earth) receive (receive) her King (oh-whoa)”

[sage temple]

The World...

[proud pivot]

lol

wtf

[leaden rivet]

And Socrates is still here

I’ll be right eventually

[near scroll]

https://youtu.be/adYAfOOGeYg?si=iOPdkKfppW4K1YpN
WE are all listening to ts

[dense rapids]

Oda telling us in the sbs buggy will be king of the world

[ashen perch]

Delusional lil kid

[sage temple]

They said Rocks was delusional too

[golden valley]

Loki vs BB vs Buggy in who truly inherits rocks will

Feels disgusting adding Buggy in this

[grand flower]

It’s so funny how many people in here who are against rocks and buggy being related also were on board before with buggy sitting in the empty throne

The thing rocks wanted to do

[leaden rivet]

And they were right

[tranquil blade]

I'm ngl I do fw Loki when I read the chapter and dont look at the community

[warm sierra]

Wouldnt it be really funny if after all these months of flashbacks it ends and hajrudin is just like nah

[golden valley]

How can ya not fw loki

[sage temple]

He succeeded in God Valley

He protected his family

[dense rapids]

Bro 😭😭😭😭

[grand flower]

I kinda still think kid will free Loki

[golden valley]

Socrates is the only one who brings Loki down

[sage temple]

That was his only reason of being there

[leaden rivet]

Is he king of the world?

[sage temple]

Oh no what shall we ever do

[dense rapids]

Blackbeard will do it in his stead

[sage temple]

His goal at God Valley was to protect his family

Family > King of the World

[ashen perch]

I have explained why personally already atleast

[sage temple]

Loki will do it instead

[leaden rivet]

He got bitched by Imu, abandoned by his crew and nearly everyone has forgotten he ever existed

[dense rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/hand-on-shoulder-akakichi-no-eleven-everything-will-be-ok-my-brother-in-christ-we're-gonna-beat-you-gif-16692013677699419935

[urban lodge]

He doesn't get credit for what Kuma did

[sage temple]

Show me a panel of Buggy having a conversation with Rocks and maybe I'll say they're related

https://tenor.com/view/money-breaking-bad-sleep-on-money-lay-on-money-money-pile-gif-5382667

[ruby moat]

rocks nearly killed his own family if not for kuma lol

[dense rapids]

What does relation have to do with being king of the world?

[tranquil blade]

I will say despite seeing the similarities between Buggy and Rocks (which some I really do believe btw) I think Buggy being a direct son of Xebec is off the table now, it doesnt seem to line up in terms of the timeline and Rocks doesnt seem to be the type to have some 2nd hidden child

[dense rapids]

Buggy was the first person in one piece to mention king of the world

[sage temple]

I'm not saying it was all him but his objective was to keep his family from dying on God Valley and it happened

[leaden rivet]

He’s definitely not his direct son. At best a cousin.

[golden valley]

I swear Don Krieg said it first

[sage temple]

"Lol Kuma did it all lol" idgaf

[urban lodge]

I thought so too but I looked through Baratie and couldn't find it

[ashen perch]

I think the idea is for inherited will to reign supreme over blood ties ultimately, Luffy over Joyboy descendant Shanks and Buggy over Davy descendant Blackbeard. Just like Zeff over Judge, Tom over Scien, Roger over Garling, etc.

[sage temple]

🤷‍♂️ Loki's dream is Loki's dream

[ashen perch]

Early Viz thing

[sage temple]

And the dreams of Luffy's allies usually come true

But

🤷‍♂️

[ashen perch]

I think he wanted to take over the world but he never said king of the world iirc

[dense rapids]

And he won’t obtain it

[sage temple]

The trends of Luffy's allies doesn't lie

They all come true 🤷‍♂️

[tranquil blade]

This is usually my main gripe with blood ties, because a lot of the most compelling examples of inherited will in one piece are not blood-related at all

[ruby moat]

Luffy's allies dreams come true which means Tashigi will succeed in her dream and defeat zoro and or mihawk

[leaden rivet]

I honestly only like blood ties when they reject everything their blood stood for

[tranquil blade]

Well tbf Blackbeard like might actually do that

[sage temple]

Tashigi isn't really an ally ngl

[leaden rivet]

I don’t hate Blackbeard being related to rocks, I just prefer that he wasn’t

[ashen perch]

Eh it depends like it would make zero sense for someone like Robin for example

[dense rapids]

Whatever xebec had planned after becoming King, BB is gonna do the opposite

[leaden rivet]

I think Xebec planned to take the crown and bring peace to the shinobi world

[grand flower]

You’re ignoring that blood relations can be used to emphasize contrast

[ashen perch]

Or BB too, I'm not sure if he's against his father's goals at all, he might straight up be a continuation of him

[tranquil blade]

shinobi world?

[spice cairn]

I hate Rocks for the love of the game

[leaden rivet]

Pirate world

[sage temple]

I hope Loki gets to succeed his dream

Davy's dream*

[grand flower]

Like I gave before with Rocks and Buggy both being charismatic social butterflies but different in power

[spice cairn]

Teech is doing that.

Loki is succeeding Ida's dream

[sage temple]

Hajrudin is

[spice cairn]

Both of them together can.

[sage temple]

Loki is succeeding his idol's dream

[grand flower]

If what I said turns out to be on the money, then buggy having blood ties to Rocks emphasizes how Buggy made better use of certain tools due to not having the power rocks could rely on

[spice cairn]

She wouldve wanted them to get along

[sage temple]

Hajrudin can do it himself

[spice cairn]

Thats very un-Ida like

[ruby moat]

Loki's end game should be making amends with and teaming up with Hajrudin (his only family left) to be allies of Luffy in the grand fleet, but more relevant than other allies are

[spice cairn]

Together is the dreamwork

They will reconcile and win

[sage temple]

Them getting along doesn't mean Loki has to be in contact with Hajrudin working toward the exact same goal

[dense rapids]

Blackbeard Warlord > Buggy Warlord
Blackbeard Yonko > Buggy Yonko
Blackbeard KotW > Buggy KotW

[ashen perch]

Yea I understand the point, I can see Oda go that route as well but this feels more in line with his usual philosophy. Not saying it doesn't also make sense, I just disagree

[sage temple]

Loki can reconcile with Hajrudin and become King of the World

[ashen perch]

To be fairrrrrrrr

[sage temple]

Hajrudin can reconcile with Loki and become King of the Giants

No need to have their dreams glued together

[tranquil blade]

Yeah people want Loki to be doing his own thing or become Blackbeard's follower but I think it's being set-up with this flashback exactly what Loki's future role is meant to be

[sage temple]

They can both achieve their dreams while supporting Elbaph

[ruby moat]

and even tho its his supposed dream, there is no way loki is gonna rule the world

[sage temple]

Maybe to you

[ashen perch]

Anyone who wants to be King of the World is gonna have it beaten out of him by Luffy

[ruby moat]

mainly because at the end of the series, there shouldn't be anyone on the empty throne

[sage temple]

But Rocks is Loki's Shanks

[ashen perch]

No one man is ever holding that much power

[tranquil blade]

I mean it's the same way Kid's dream is probably to be pirate king but obv that wont happen

[sage temple]

Yeah because he's dead

[dense rapids]

😂😂😂

[sage temple]

That is if Luffy lives long enough

Loki can definitely become King of the World while Luffy becomes King of the Pirates

[ashen perch]

He'll live long enough to make sure it doesn't happen

[sage temple]

Maybe to you

Doubt it though

Loki has better longevity

[urban lodge]

Loki is the only person who said that who has 0% chance of becoming king of the world

[leaden rivet]

Sócrates this is just delusion

[ashen perch]

Even the WG doesn't take ownership of the idea of a singular king because they know it would be instantly horrible to everyone on the planet

[leaden rivet]

He’s not going to be the king of the world I can’t tell if you’re actually being serious

[sage temple]

Yeah say I'm delusional but don't say anything actually invalidating my point

[dense rapids]

Buggy will create a amusement park larger than Sabaody Park that will welcome people from all across the world as they recognize him as the god that saved them

[ruby moat]

Preferably there would be 0 king of the world at all EOS

[grand flower]

Yes there is becausw the story’s already set it up

[ashen perch]

There's not going to be another King of the World, its over after Imu

[ruby moat]

it would be run democratically by the council of kings

[sage temple]

Sure but if there is, it'd be Loki because he would achieve his idol's dream

[grand flower]

Hajrudin and Loki represent the exact two things Elbaph needs to find balance between

[ashen perch]

His idol was

[sage temple]

No it hasn't

[dense rapids]

Naw it’s gonna be just like what happened at the end of Skypeia

[ashen perch]

A bad person with a bad goal

[grand flower]

And Harald has already said twice “I want you two to support Elbaph TOGETHER”

[sage temple]

The story hasn't set up Loki and Hajrudin achieving the same dream and nothing else\

[grand flower]

It’s already happening socrates

[leaden rivet]

He looked up to rocks because he was a depressed kid with no purpose

[grand flower]

Okay. When it happens and you’re surprised and mad and pissy I’ll laugh at you

[golden valley]

Loki isn’t becoming King Of the World 😭

[leaden rivet]

Loki’s arc will be finding purpose in his family Hajrudin and Elbaf

[golden valley]

Him and Hajrudin are ruling elbaf EoS

[ruby moat]

Loki looking up to Rocks is like the youth of today looking up the Andrew Tate or Joe Rogan or some bullshit like that

[tranquil blade]

People really think Harald's hopes are just not gonna happen because Loki would have more aura not helping Elbaf

[leaden rivet]

What Loki is missing is love

[sage temple]

Alrighty then

[dense rapids]

This will be Buggy

[grand flower]

Oda def put that in the story for zero reason

[ashen perch]

Loki will find a better idol than that guy and a better goal than that guy's goal

[ashen perch]

True

[sage temple]

Okay, and now that he's met Rocks, he has a purpose

[leaden rivet]

That’s what he thinks his purpose is

But in the end it’s all about family

[sage temple]

Yeah for sure

[golden valley]

Loki isn’t achieving Rocks goal

[tranquil blade]

Like it's so obvious Oda has shown the two extremes of Elbaf, and now the country needs to find a middle-ground

[leaden rivet]

Hes going to reconcile with Hajrudin and they’ll rule together

Rocks is just the emptiness in Loki’s heart

[grand flower]

Between what Rocks told Loki, Gaban, and the narration about Loki “giving up on love” I can’t wait to see how the power of love factors into Elbaph

[sage temple]

Yeah it is, and it was the same for Rocks, but both could've been Kings of the World and saved their families if they had someone to support them presently

[ashen perch]

Mosa....

[sage temple]

He can reconcile with Hajrudin and become King of the World the same way Hajrudin can reconcile with him and become King of the Giants

[grand flower]

Especially with Oda explicitly laying out for us that Loki and Hajrudin represent those extremes

[ashen perch]

Love is a big aspect of his character, he'll understand what Xebec meant once he finds it truly

[golden valley]

Sanji relevance…?!

[sage temple]

He gave up on love yet he was going to marry Lola?

I wonder what changed

[leaden rivet]

🧍

[sage temple]

Rocks and Ida

[golden valley]

Sanji, the Preacher Of Love

[grand flower]

Loki, an ancient giant, representing their warrior customs

Hajrudin, the son of a foreigner, representing their need for diplomacy

It’s beyond obvious

[sage temple]

Loki can find love and still become King of the World

[ashen perch]

Dude

[sage temple]

Rocks found love and had a kid

[ashen perch]

It's not

[sage temple]

That didn't change his dream

[tranquil blade]

Young Harald and Loki represent the old warrior way of Elbaf, where giants would constantly fight and trample each other and others which was bad for obvious reasons, and the extreme pacifism of older Harald that left Elbaf vulnerable to exploitation and manipulation. Both obviously have their flaws so they will naturally find something inbetween the two perspectives

[leaden rivet]

Being king of the world is a hollow dream and in the end rocks chose love over his goals

That’s what’s important

[sage temple]

Yeah it's beyond obvious that they'll both support Elbaph

But that doesn't mean they'll have to give up on their dreams to do so

[leaden rivet]

Even despite that he’s just not being king of the world that’s so dumb lol

[grand flower]

Actually this recent chapter highlights Haralds pacifism wasn’t that extreme

[sage temple]

Luffy is dumb

[golden valley]

You’re missing the most important thing: Rocks sacrificed his dreams for his love.

[grand flower]

Harald just didn’t want Elbaph’s culture to be worshipping violence

[leaden rivet]

This isn’t Loki piece

[sage temple]

It won't stop Luffy from becoming King of the Pirates though

[grand flower]

Not a complete rejection of violence

It’s only the children that take it too far because they’re children

[sage temple]

I'm not saying it's all about Loki I'm saying Loki's dream will be consistent

[golden valley]

Once Loki is loved, he’s giving up on KOTW

[grand flower]

It’s good that Elbaph isn’t raising children for death battles

[sage temple]

Loki was loved

By Ida

[grand flower]

That’s very very weird to have as a culture

[golden valley]

Loki lost it

[spice cairn]

Loki was loved by Socrates

[grand flower]

No wonder he still sees no use for love

[leaden rivet]

Love is what’s going to save Loki, it’s what he wanted his entire life.

[golden valley]

Loki isn’t loved rn

[dense rapids]

How do we know Loki survives the Final War bro might go out like Pedro

[sage temple]

It would also be good that Elbaph raises their children to defend themselves considering how violent the world is

[leaden rivet]

Need to find that goofy panel about Loki not believing in love anymore

[grand flower]

No it’s not and you know why

[sage temple]

How do we know Buggy survives the Final War bro might go out like Pedro

[spice cairn]

Socrates wants him to walk down a path of hatred and not the poetic walk down a road where he finds love and a support group

[grand flower]

I can’t repeat the analogy becausw we coddle in here

[golden valley]

Because him and Hajrudin are becoming rulers of Elbaf

[grand flower]

Children can learn to fight when they’re grown

[sage temple]

If you say so

[dense rapids]

Oda’s favorite character is becoming KotW

[grand flower]

Children shouldn’t have to defend themselves

That’s their parents’ and community’s job

[sage temple]

Strawmanning

Hawkin's discord acc?

[grand flower]

The fact that children were being brought in death battle training was indicative that Elbaph went way too far in their culture of violence

[tranquil blade]

I mean objectively he did a lot of good things for Elbaf as a nation, but we can see even still that while warrior culture was bad in many aspects, there were still some parts of the culture that werent all bad. Even Ida seems to think so, but it's very understandable why Harald did what he did

[grand flower]

It’s very silly people say “see what happens when you stop training children to be warriors” and point to what Imu and killingham are doing

Because what

[sage temple]

You're entitled to your own opinion ig

[grand flower]

Were the CHILDREN gonna stop them??!

[tranquil blade]

but children shouldnt be soldiers obviously

[leaden rivet]

Sócrates do you like legit think he’s going to be king of the world?

Like seriously

[tranquil blade]

That's like an obvious bad thing about old Elbaf

[leaden rivet]

Actually believe it

[sage temple]

Yes because that's his dream as a heavily allied Strawhat

[leaden rivet]

You understand Loki least of anyone in this chat

[dense rapids]

😭😭😭

[sage temple]

Luffy literally feels goosebumps by Loki being present. It's kind of clear that Loki and Luffy have a little bit of destiny determining their meetings

[leaden rivet]

As I thought. March is your time limit.

[grand flower]

I think that Harald does show Theres room for that when he says giants who want to be warriors can just do so as part of the navy

[golden valley]

I still quite haven’t figured out the direction Colon’s character, especially by EoS

[grand flower]

It’s not so much theyre giving up their warrior culture

[sage temple]

Hilarious dawg

[grand flower]

More channeling it into healthier avenues

[urban lodge]

Socrates you're setting yourself up for disappointment man

[leaden rivet]

He’s not ready for Loki to be irrelevant for the rest of the series until the final war

[sage temple]

You're fine to think that, but you could be telling me exactly what'll happen to you

[dense rapids]

Who do you guys think will be King of the World eos

[tranquil blade]

Yeah he wasnt fully wrong for that either, he just didnt realize that the government wanted the giants for a different purpose than he thought

[golden valley]

No one

Why would their be a king of the world EoS

[dense rapids]

Wrong answer

[grand flower]

Yeah exactly

[leaden rivet]

I think the closest thing to a king of the world will be Dragon

[urban lodge]

I really like Loki, I wouldn't mind getting more of him, I just think you have very unrealistic expectations

[leaden rivet]

But he’ll be more like a president

[golden valley]

We know what the correct way is

Its the Reverie but actually held by a good government

[sage temple]

One of the two heirs

[leaden rivet]

The world government isn’t that bad

Of a system

[golden valley]

Its not

[sage temple]

Loki and Blackbeard both have very similar characteristics ngl

[golden valley]

I dont see a better option

[sage temple]

I think you have very unrealistic expectations

[dense rapids]

“Chairman Buggy”

[golden valley]

A non corrupt WG is good for the world more than it is without

[tranquil blade]

I mean the revos (mostly) say the only real issue is that celestial dragon's within the world government, though we have seen some characters also are against non-celestial royalty as well

Even though Dragon doesn't inherently oppose royalty

[golden valley]

I think the reverie will be expanded to the people of the world as well

[leaden rivet]

The world government is already very impressive. If you can take out the head and get a better controller system it works better.

[sage temple]

Quality over Quantity

[golden valley]

So not entirely held by the royals

[dense rapids]

Like what happened on Skypeia

[tranquil blade]

Basically yeah

[dense rapids]

Bro did not cook

[knotty bone]

You just gotta destroy mariejois

[sage temple]

🪞

[hot cairn]

Buggy vs Socrates it’s so funny

[dense rapids]

Socrates throwing his headcanons everywhere

[leaden rivet]

Dragon and Fujitora at the head of a theoretical government sounds perfect

[tranquil blade]

I mean you gotta either force celestial dragons to live amongst everyone else, let them be isolated but without any power on some island, or just kill them all

[sage temple]

I ask and support everything with evidence

[ashen perch]

They're having a homeless guy calling other homeless guy homeless fight

[sage temple]

Buggy hasn't had a Rocks interaction once

[tranquil blade]

That's what you need in order to fix the issue in the WG

[dense rapids]

Luffy hasn’t had a Roger interaction once?

[tranquil blade]

Well also killing Imu

[sage temple]

You were saying they were related? 😭 That isn't the same

[hot cairn]

literally

[golden valley]

Well, the Buggy Rocks agenda just has panel parallels and dialogue, Loki has a bit of that and actual dialogue regarding rocks

[dense rapids]

The will of rocks and Roger lives on

[golden valley]

Sooo

[spice cairn]

How is it a strawman when its true though

You want Loki to suffer

[dense rapids]

😂😂😂

[spice cairn]

[sage temple]

I don't really want him to go down a path of hatred or suffering

I think his path of hatred ended once he met Davy

[knotty bone]

Does Loki even haki, bro?

[ornate tartan]

what do u think

[sage temple]

Loki killing a Holy Knight without Haki is an EXTREME potential buff ngl

[ruby moat]

he was actually confirmed to not have it

[sage temple]

Gaban couldn't stop a Haki-less Loki?

[ruby moat]

gaban wasnt trying

[icy wolf]

when

[sage temple]

Ussop fan logic I'm afraid

[ruby moat]

it didnt happen im lying

gotcha!

[knotty bone]

Maybe Loki will learn observation haki from Sogeking

[ruby moat]

that would be cool

[icy wolf]

you got me

do we think him reading the news paper blindfolded is observation haki or nah though

[ruby moat]

nah the blindfold was just thin

he can see thru it

[sage temple]

Crazy that's never happened before

I wonder why characters purposfully bandage themselves around their eyes if they can just see through them

[dense rapids]

Trauma

[sage temple]

I wonder why everyone purposfully avoids bandaging over their eyes

If they can just see thru em

Oh well

[ruby moat]

those characters arent wearing them to cover up their ugly ass eyes

[sage temple]

Bartsky logic I guess

[golden valley]

He has Conquerors and countered Imu powers without even knowing what he did

[tranquil blade]

https://tenor.com/view/imu-imu-speed-imu-ishowspeed-speed-imu-ishowspeed-imu-gif-5082088216306763781

[ruby moat]

[sage temple]

Can't wait to see them glow again

[grand flower]

Sure

[sage temple]

[dense rapids]

Last Buggy agenda post of the night

[urban lodge]

Did everyone migrate to games

[glacial bear]

Games?

[urban lodge]

#games

[glacial bear]

Ohhh

[urban lodge]

Guess I'll watch the game awards

[grand flower]

Why last

Keep going

[vale heath]

i can't wait to find out what the year of the year is

i hope it's 1874

[olive sigil]

I hope it’s 1867

[random hinge]

hades 2 goty incoming

[olive sigil]

I think my brain might be broken

[tiny oak]

haha 67

[sage temple]

hades getting milked for the thousandth time in a year

[olive sigil]

Watching a hockey game right now and there’s a guy called garland

I keep thinking it’s Garling

[olive sigil]

Getting what?

MILKed

COW PIECE IS REAL 🐄 🐮

[golden valley]

Fyi, Jinbei is talking about Luffy’s kid here

[olive sigil]

His and Robin’s kid

Oh maybe he’s talking about surf shark

[frigid gulch]

Oldbei

[wraith mantle]

Who won goty

[prisma idol]

We havent got it just yet but its obvious

[wraith mantle]

I mean hades 2 going up against Expedition 33

Tough matchup

[prisma idol]

I meant that it was obvious it was E33

Which it was

[trim lily]

the e33 awards

[wraith mantle]

I thought you were gonna shill for hades

My apologies bluko

[prisma idol]

I havent played a single game that was nominated

I was only watching for reveals

[olive sigil]

Hay day

[fallen meteor]

hello i'm back from #games

[alpine trench]

https://x.com/saltandcreamz/status/1999029943175700574?s=46

Ning (@saltandcreamz)

Brothers

X · Dec 11, 2025, 8:14 AM

[pulsar path]

Davey D Buggy!!

Let's goo

Xebecs will is so strong it reincarnated its self

[mighty shell]

pretty insane for having shown up only in the second half of this year

[royal orchid]

shows up after being named thrice, becomes hypeman number one, is glazed to infinity, dies

https://tenor.com/view/martin-scorsese-absolute-cinema-absolute-cinema-meme-martin-scorsese-meme-martin-scorsese-absolute-cinema-gif-7188464701423971028

[sage temple]

As he should

[prisma idol]

These results aren't actually indicative of actual search terms

And the numbers they have

Pixiv is people searching based on art on what is essentially JP deviantart and Nico Nico is like YouTube

[royal orchid]

this is really funny

[prisma idol]

Isnt this percentage based, I remember seeing a video where these are also bad at seeing actual search amounts. Not that they don't have some merit just not as much as people think

[royal orchid]

yeah it's percentages, not sure about that second part though

[prisma idol]

The second part is me saying that you shouldn't just completely discount Google trends but that people shouldn't hold it as absolute fact at showing popularity. So my opinion

[craggy vapor]

were the latest spoilers posted?

[royal orchid]

!break

[tropic nova]

https://imgur.com/nAikRVv

[hazy turret]

nope

[royal orchid]

is that iOS notes

they're fake there's no spoilers yet

[craggy vapor]

no it’s from reddit

[prisma yacht]

it's fake

[hazy turret]

none of the trusted spoiler people have posted anything

anything else is fake

[craggy vapor]

well if you say so. These spoilers have been accurate in the past so far

[royal orchid]

rando subreddit and no sources

[hazy turret]

by the way, if spoilers WERE out, you would be getting muted or even banned for posting spoilers outside the spoiler channel lol

so just be careful in the future

[prisma yacht]

lol

[craggy vapor]

I mean the spoiler channel is closed

[winter oasis]

just dm a spoiler staff

as it says in the channel

[prisma yacht]

They are stating kind of the obvious here btw

[hazy turret]

that doesnt mean you post it in the non-spoiler chat...

[winter oasis]

yeah that would be the most basic chapter possible

[craggy vapor]

ok then, if these spoilers are fake, everything is good, right?

[winter oasis]

lol

[hazy turret]

yeah, just letting you know

any spoilers, fake or not, shouldnt be posted here once confirmed spoilers are out

[craggy vapor]

but no confirmed spoilers are out

[winter oasis]

lol

dude if there are spoilers you think are real, DM them to a spoiler staff

it's nto that hard

[alpine trench]

what the fuck man

[royal orchid]

I'm seeing most of what they post in that sub is pew and redon spoiler screenshots

[hazy turret]

i know, im just saying

[royal orchid]

instead of random textboxes

[hazy turret]

for future reference

[craggy vapor]

Alright then, I’m gonna delete them before I get kicked

[prisma yacht]

😭

[rapid ridge]

Hi hon xoxo

[hazy turret]

i mean you dont have to

[clever idol]

And send them to me too

[prisma yacht]

break wekk going crazy

[royal orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/uta-uta-one-piece-one-piece-one-piece-film-red-halloween-gif-27014214