also-manga

[sweet anvil]

Alr buddy

[shell scroll]

Afraid of her essential afraid she can take ur soul and ur die

[icy wolf]

idk who is truly stronger between shanks and blackbeard its pretty hard to say

[steel stirrup]

He hard counters her anyway it wouldn't matter

[sweet anvil]

Currently shanks in like 30/40 chapters Blackbeard

[maiden smelt]

Because he has to get close to her to do that, so aside from the fact he’s not close to her a lot of the time and she can fight at far ranges, getting close to her is probably a really bad idea for him

[arctic ruin]

I just realized Sugar getting arrested with the other Doffy pirates is terrifying. Imagine her fruit in the hands of the WG..

[cunning narwhal]

actually yeah i forgot about his darkness

[steel stirrup]

She would have to use her Haki to beat BB her soul powers would not work

[shell scroll]

I see thanks for clarifying

[icy wolf]

i think most people either say blackbeard is a complete bum or top 2 its a huge range

everyone can agree shanks is super strong

[steel stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-blackbeard-black-vortex-gif-5290710228199069864

Literally draws you in

[sweet anvil]

If you think he’s a bum you’re just dumb

[steel stirrup]

There is no escape

[sweet anvil]

Blackbeard is the most dangerous person rn

[shell scroll]

But people think he’s weak but forget he has x2 pain

[sweet anvil]

The next person who fights Blackbeard is dying on OUR souls

[arctic ruin]

he's both. Blackbeard is like Regigigas

[sweet anvil]

Yes all of us

[maiden smelt]

It doesn’t even have that much range 😞😞
And she can pull his soul out as she’s being pulled

[steel stirrup]

She's gonna have to her Haki and strength.

Big Mom beats BB but not with her Soul powers itd have to be done with other means

[bleak plover]

Are those souls dark?

[sweet anvil]

Especially @bleak plover

[steel stirrup]

The moment he touches her, that shit is no longer a threat

[maiden smelt]

Probably but I think maybe if bb doesn’t immediately pull her in she might just take his soul

[sweet anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/blackbeard-blackbeard-writing-taking-notes-writing-gif-17583038544116987898

[steel stirrup]

And Black Vortex as far as we saw has no maximum range

[bleak plover]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-roll-dark-souls-roll-somersault-gif-26164281

[maiden smelt]

Doesn’t mean it can pull someone in from like 10km away 💀💀

[shell scroll]

But napoleon Prometheus will still be there

[maiden smelt]

I want a cloud logia

[fallen meteor]

loki's

[steel stirrup]

BB was afraid of dying

Not afraid of fighting (sans Akainu)

He stared down the World's Strongest Man with a smile on his face before that point.

I am certain that he would not be afraid of her

[icy wolf]

ever seen that one lafitte theory

[sweet anvil]

If fruits are based on people’s desires

[fallen meteor]

yooo

[sweet anvil]

Could there be a haki fruit

[steel stirrup]

They may be

[steel stirrup]

???

[icy wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/imu-one-piece-imu-angry-one-piece-episode-1119-imu-looking-at-sabo-gif-3150554157530427386

[maiden smelt]

Idk but wasn’t wb basically dying and he was banking on that

[maiden smelt]

No

[fallen meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/spinning-spin-rotate-rotating-twirl-gif-27369771

[shell scroll]

If bm is dead in lava zeus still alive

[steel stirrup]

Thats still the WSM

[tranquil blade]

I kinda doubt it

[digital spear]

https://tenor.com/view/deafult-dance-sans-undertale-roblox-gif-22867862

[sweet anvil]

Shanks is truly a haki man 🥹

[icy wolf]

imu haki is called abnormal

[maiden smelt]

A dying WSM with half his head gone 🤷‍♀️

[tranquil blade]

Well that's because Imu is not normal in general

[steel stirrup]

A screenshot of what

[bleak plover]

Some random kid: "I wish I was made of Haki."

[prisma idol]

Because imu has EVIL haki

[shell scroll]

Maybe the strong strong fruit? If it makes u stronger couldn’t mean just muscle

[bleak plover]

Alternatively: "I wish I was HAKIMAN."

[maiden smelt]

Shanks wished so hard he made a df on his own

[icy wolf]

bro vegapunks speech was actually so shit

[fallen meteor]

'i wish i had the strongest haki'

[steel stirrup]

I'm positive he wouldn't be afraid of her

[sweet anvil]

He was lowkey just yapping

Dude was doing everything but getting to the point

[tranquil blade]

I think haki is purposefully separate enough from devil fruits that there would never be a "haki devil fruit" and even if it's possible we will never see it in the story

[digital spear]

I wish Vegapunk moetized his speech

[maiden smelt]

Probably not right away but if she puts him in a bad position or near death I think he might, similar to what happened between him and wb

[deep chasm]

BB probably wouldnt be scared of her if the fight is just starting. Hed get scared if he feels he's losing

[sweet anvil]

I mean in theory though

It should be possible right

[tranquil blade]

I mean it technically should be

[shell scroll]

No

[tranquil blade]

but like

[shell scroll]

Haki is a manifestation of will

[deep chasm]

theres no reason it couldnt exist besides it being weird for the story

[sweet anvil]

Look at that revolutionary army captains fruit

[deep chasm]

and kinda pointless for anyone who could actually elarn haki

[shell scroll]

No fruit will do that as soul purpose, but a strong fruit will make you feel stronger so essentially making you have a stronger will stronger haki

[sweet anvil]

She has the ability to do things like strengthen people’s will and motivate them

[tranquil blade]

Unless the haki fruits give you like haki better than anyone else's

[steel stirrup]

Even at deaths door I doubt it

[tranquil blade]

Which would just make it op

[deep chasm]

that would be something

[arctic ruin]

closest thing to a "haki fruit" is probably Belo Betty

[steel stirrup]

My opinion is hella biased tho

[maiden smelt]

Shanks has a haki fruit

[shell scroll]

The only way I can see it happening is violas clairvoyance fruit with observation haki

[maiden smelt]

He’s not a swordsman 🔥🔥

[steel stirrup]

Bullshit

[tranquil blade]

Like if it just gives you haki beyond anyone else's and idk like haki lasers and avatars and stuff it'd be like the most broken fruit ever

[sweet anvil]

Another question I got

Do you guys think someone has already eaten the time fruit

[steel stirrup]

He is absolutely a swordsman

[tranquil blade]

but that would be kinda shit for a story

[shell scroll]

Haki avatars like a stand?

[maiden smelt]

Shanks is a mansword not a swordsman so WSS doesn’t apply to him

[sweet anvil]

There’s no way that fruit just never appears in the story again right

[shell scroll]

Why does it matter tho they can go forward in time only

[steel stirrup]

He fights with a sword

That is the literal definition

[sweet anvil]

Well it depends on if it has possibility for an awakening

[maiden smelt]

But he also uses super strong haki

So he’s a swordhakiman not a swordsman

[steel stirrup]

He channels his haki through his sword

[sweet anvil]

I feel like an awakened time fruit would have a strong case for the greatest fruit oat

[steel stirrup]

Lmaoooo he is absolutely a swordsman

[icy wolf]

im mihawk> shanks but does anyone else find it kinda weird theres never really been a heavy emphasis on mihawks haki, like we’ve never seen any haki stuff from him to my knowledge, theres such a big emphasis on shanks haki

[steel stirrup]

ZA WARUDO

[maiden smelt]

He has no swordskill he just has haki skill

[shadow python]

Does sword quality really matter? Couldn't Zoro be just as effective with the east blue swords that mihawk broke if he used enough haki?

[sweet anvil]

Hawkeye

[shadow python]

Vergo was whupping people with regular bamboo sticks

[sweet anvil]

Why do you think shanks developed observation killing

[tranquil blade]

Well the issue is he hasnt fought after the timeskip and before the timeskip haki was invisible and mentioned far far less

[steel stirrup]

He was able to copy one of Roger's strongest attacks without Roger having to train him????

[shell scroll]

Awanked fruits especially with abstract concepts is just hard it’s supposed to enhance base df effects going forward in time enhanced is just hard to imagine

[maiden smelt]

Most of the top tiers prob have a similar lvl of haki so swords probably matter

[sweet anvil]

Mihawk had the greatest observation haki

[icy wolf]

is this even a thing stated in the manga

[steel stirrup]

He is absolutely a swordsman

[shell scroll]

This just wouldn’t happen

[maiden smelt]

Shanks sword feat > mihawk sword feats 🔥🔥

[sweet anvil]

No it’s an assumption

[steel stirrup]

If thats true, why isnt Shanks the WSS

[tranquil blade]

Swordsmen use haki tho of course, it's a massive part of what he taught Zoro about swordsmanship over the timeskip

[icy wolf]

it just feels like oda hasnt done a great job of gassing mihawks haki

[sweet anvil]

His epithet is Hawkeye making me think he has goated observation

[maiden smelt]

He’s too busy getting drunk in bars around the world

[sweet anvil]

Shanks has observation killing

So I think shanks developed it in response to mihawk

As a counter

[steel stirrup]

No its because he's chasing BB around while pretending he doesn't know where BBs base of operations is

[icy wolf]

its pretty nice to see shanks beat the regen allegations

dude finally caught a break

[shadow python]

Mihawk was a dog of the govt. Of course they would want to hype him up rather than some pirate they can't control

[maiden smelt]

Big mom > bb > shanks

[icy wolf]

he cant stop taking Ls in the community somehow everyone just dogs on shanks

[sweet anvil]

Oda has to be keeping up with agenda piece

[steel stirrup]

K

[sweet anvil]

This guy has every character beat allegations

[icy wolf]

is shanks really odas golden boy like where does this thougjt even come from

[steel stirrup]

His daughter's might be showing him some stuff

[maiden smelt]

Is his daughter a shanks or mihawk fan

[leaden rivet]

Mihawk is one of the worst written characters in the series lol

[steel stirrup]

They probably tell him "Dad everyone on TikTok thinks Shanks has regen"

[leaden rivet]

Oda genuinely doesn’t care about that man

[sweet anvil]

What

[icy wolf]

he got scarred by no devilfruit blackbeard and we are shown he has a superior like pretty early on in the series

[tranquil blade]

Well there have been statements by movie directors who have talked to Oda and one of them said that Shanks is as important to One Piece as Luffy

[arctic ruin]

Shanks is the last person that needs a break lol.

[leaden rivet]

Mihawk is one of the worst written characters in the series lol

[sweet anvil]

Mihawk isn’t badly written he just hasn’t been developed

[icy wolf]

why

[leaden rivet]

Im a huge Mihawk defender also

[digital spear]

one daughter is pro Shanks the other pro Mihawk

[sweet anvil]

Oda hasn’t done anything with him

[leaden rivet]

This isn’t based on any hatred

[icy wolf]

i think mihawk does his job pretty well, i dont see how hes poorly written

[tranquil blade]

Oda hates the pro Mihawk daughter

[arctic ruin]

Mihawk is barely even a character. He's more of a concept lol

[sweet anvil]

Mihawk is just a goalpost for Zoro ngl

[maiden smelt]

Shanks is a character…….. but mihawk is a concept

[tranquil blade]

Mihawk has some concepts going but with little to no execution

[sweet anvil]

I don’t even like him that much I more dislike shanks

[icy wolf]

idk how you can possibly dislike shanks

[steel stirrup]

Other than Buggy, i think Oda's favorite pirate is BB though idk if his opinion has changed in the last few years

[digital spear]

one daughter: Mihawk, Zoro and Robin fan
other daughter: Shanks, Sanji and Nami fan

[sweet anvil]

I don’t know why either

I just dislike shanks

[icy wolf]

yeah i can see that

[sage temple]

Because he's a coward of a pirate

[sweet anvil]

I can’t give you a reason

[sage temple]

Shanks is a coward

[icy wolf]

rip

[leaden rivet]

He doesn’t do his job well at all. His sole role is being the strongest swordsman in the series and he does that horribly, he doesn’t do anything and never does. His title is completely underdeveloped and makes like 0 sense. As far as we know he supposedly fought all the strong swordsmen until none were left to challenge him but we have no clue who these are and as far as we know he’s never beaten any of the top tier swordsman. There’s 0 evidence of him going to Wano, and he does almost nothing the entire story until he gets forced into the Crossguild 1000 chapters later.

[maiden smelt]

Novel of mihawk slander

[sage temple]

And we will see why soon

[sweet anvil]

Everyone has characters they dislike for no reason

[steel stirrup]

I dont dislike Shanks, actually the contrary.

I just like BB more

[icy wolf]

same with me

[leaden rivet]

The worst thing about the so called WSS title is that like 3 people care about it, and it has nothing holding it up outside of out of story narrative.

[icy wolf]

shanks and blackbeard are 2 of my favourite characters

[sweet anvil]

The more I think about

[steel stirrup]

Yea they're both in my top 5 favorite characters

[leaden rivet]

Shanks is (one of) my least favorite character and Blackbeard is my favorite. We’re almost opposites

[sweet anvil]

The only character i will defend no matter the situation or whatever they do is dragon ngl

[maiden smelt]

What would mihawks bounty be if he had shanks’ crew and territories

[icy wolf]

its nice to see a blackbeard fan not completely drag shanks through the mud

[pine scaffold]

Rocks is the best character in One Piece, prove me wrong

[sweet anvil]

5 bil

[tranquil blade]

Yeah Mihawk is basically 1 dimensional, he's a thing more than he is a person which is why he is so lacking

[icy wolf]

hes pretty mid imo

[sweet anvil]

That’s subjective how am I meant to prove you wrong

[leaden rivet]

The worst part is that he does his thing horribly

So he’s just kinda there

[arctic ruin]

I disagree. There I proved you wrong

[icy wolf]

im all for dragon hype but he hasnt done alot to make me like him

[scenic dirge]

Actually kinda crazy how much people talk about Mihawk for how little he’s shown lol. Is it just because all Shanks discourse (which is very abundant) inevitably spirals into some mention of Mihawk or?

[pine scaffold]

exactly

[steel stirrup]

I only do that when Mimi is around

[pine scaffold]

[leaden rivet]

He’s mostly mentioned cause of powerscaling yeah

[icy wolf]

my favourite characters are probably:

1. Luffy
2. blackbeard
3. whitebeard
4. kuma
5. shanks

[tranquil blade]

People mention him either cause of Shanks or Zoro yeah

[leaden rivet]

As far as character goes it’s all mystery and not much outside it

[tranquil blade]

and it is almost always powerscaling

[fallen meteor]

mihawk gets his flashback on vira

[dark nymph]

how many chapters will vira be

[leaden rivet]

It’s a bit disappointing because the only thing he has to his character is being the WSS so would it kill oda to show him actually being strong?

He dickrides shanks every scene he has can Mihawk get even 1/5 of that?

[steel stirrup]

Mihawk moves and people start shivering

[fallen meteor]

precisely a third of wano

[arctic ruin]

He cut a big ice cube what more do you want from him

[sweet anvil]

Idk it’s partly because he’s the only guy actively fighting for injustice and even though he actually dislike conflict he continues to fight against the most tyrannical regime in history

[icy wolf]

mihawk moved at marineford and everyone was so hyped bro

[shadow python]

I wonder why Zoro was so insulted about Mihawk being under Buggy. Zoro himself lost to Buggy before he lost to Mihawk and Buggy did it without sweating

[ashen rose]

That would require effort

[icy wolf]

like ohhh shit mihawks actually doing something

[steel stirrup]

Thats what im saying bruh

[ashen rose]

Plus he'll probably get his time to shine with zoro

[sweet anvil]

I’ve always liked revolutionary characters so ig it’s normal I like dragon

[icy wolf]

the mihawk hype is definitely limited in the story but its also definitely there

[steel stirrup]

Mihawk took a single step and all of Marineford froze like "Oh shit"

[ashen rose]

All he did was cut some ice and people went crazy

[shadow python]

They knew that Roger was a swordsman and that Mihawk is the world's greatest swordsman

[tranquil blade]

Dragon is actually okay now, since Egghead we've learned a lot more about him which has made him into a more interesting character

[sweet anvil]

Is it just me or is oda scared to show us 2 prime top tiers fight

[shadow python]

The people of marine Ford that never saw Mihawk fight were very hyped

[leaden rivet]

And then what

[ashen rose]

Didn't we have Kaido vs big mom

[scenic dirge]

It is definitely true that Oda has done a pretty poor job of his execution as a character and existence in the OP world. It’s definitely a concept that sounded good to Oda logistically when he first started writing it but it ended up not really holding that well as the story expanded. And Oda has done almost nothing to remediate that. He’s still cool tho, even if it’s simply coz of hype and mystery

[icy wolf]

i fr think he doesnt want to because he likes them too much

[sweet anvil]

I mean a conclusive fight

[steel stirrup]

You do realize the only reason Zoro is able to do what he can do rn is because Mihawk trained him??

[ashen rose]

God valley

[shadow python]

We got to see Rocks vs Roger and Garp

[sweet anvil]

I mean

[urban sluice]

shikis loss

[pine scaffold]

Not the hero we deserve, but the hero we need

@wraith mantle @steel stirrup @wet heron

[sweet anvil]

The domi reversi shit

[urban sluice]

against garp and sengoku

[dark nymph]

yeah we need more Mihawk tbh its one of the most dissapointing things in the series so far

[ashen rose]

This ain't about him

[sweet anvil]

We didn’t see it

[shadow python]

It's just without devil fruits what else can we really look at in a fight like that

[leaden rivet]

You honestly could’ve just sacrificed Greenbull to Mihawk instead of shanks. Shanks didn’t even need that extra hype anyway.

[shadow python]

Shanks had to promote the movie

[sweet anvil]

It’s like oda doesn’t want to have anyone completely defeated

And decisively below other characters

[grand flower]

is this about mihawk or dragon

[steel stirrup]

And then he gave Luffy so much trouble that Marco had to ask Vista to distract him

[arctic ruin]

Shanks is the haki wizard

[tranquil blade]

Mihawk

[dense rapids]

Film Red Promo

[sweet anvil]

Fr

[grand flower]

I thought as much

[sweet anvil]

Bro

[dense rapids]

Green Bull was probably top 3 most hype character before that moment

Everyone was ready

[shadow python]

So they send fodder marines to capture Mihawk but an admiral soils himself? Mihawk doesn't really work in the context

[sweet anvil]

What I would do to have dragon show up and violate a couple Hk

[steel stirrup]

Too bad he wasn't

[grand flower]

mihawk holds up very well when you realize the point is his reign with the title is supposed to be so dominant, he has no more challengers till zoro showed up

[arctic ruin]

I hate that the coolest DF in the series was wasted on Greenbull

[sweet anvil]

The moment I see this guy fight I promise you I’m going to start saying he’s the strongest human oat

[grand flower]

kinda silly to think we won't get more info explaining why mihawk isnt satisfied with fighting shanks as competition anymore

once we delve into what makes mihawk actually tick

[steel stirrup]

Lose lose

[leaden rivet]

He gave pre timeskip Luffy trouble oooh scary

[dark nymph]

atm mihawk is just vibes man

cool vibes

[grand flower]

idk what you mean

[icy wolf]

he lost the arm but its pretty shitty, shanks bounty has increased by like 3billion its obvious hes gotten stronger

[shadow python]

Do we need more info on that? Shanks is one armed now. Either mihawk wins because of the handicap or he loses despite being handicapped

[leaden rivet]

For a supposedly yonko tier threat that just makes him look worse rather than better

[grand flower]

my point is i find it easy to see that mihawk rose to the top and people gave up on taking him down

[shell scroll]

If mihawk loses to shanks thrn he shouldn’t be a swordsman since he has hands

[sweet anvil]

Wdym supposed

[tranquil blade]

because it is just supposed

[sweet anvil]

Mihawk can’t be anything but yonko tier

No uncertainty about it

[steel stirrup]

If i win, I beat you without your dominate arm. Hard to respect that

You win, I just lost to a nigga with one arm

[grand flower]

Oh yeah

[tranquil blade]

Mihawk hasnt fought anyone on the level of an emperor like ever

[shadow python]

Mihawk wasn't fighting like a yonko at marineford

[steel stirrup]

Lose Lose Situation

[grand flower]

I think it also has to do with the fact that Shanks lost his dominant arm

[shell scroll]

Didn’t he lose left arm

[steel stirrup]

Apparently that was his dominant hand until it got gobbled up

[sweet anvil]

Narratively it’s impossible for him to be below yonko tier

[shadow python]

He was stopped by two commanders of a yonko and was unable to kill Luffy

[grand flower]

It's indicative that Shanks is willing to sacrifie his stature as a swordsman for something

[leaden rivet]

That is the supposed part

He is supposedly a yonko tier threat

[shell scroll]

Interesting

[grand flower]

In a way, it may not be as satisfying to mihawk cause it's like shanks' heart isn't really in it anymore

[arctic ruin]

Yea Shanks was a lefty

[grand flower]

yeah we know it's his dominant arm cause you wear a saber on the opposite side of your dominant arm so you can draw it

[arctic ruin]

And cuz he was always holding his sword with his left hand

[grand flower]

He eats with his left hand too

[sweet anvil]

Why did he keep it on that side though

[grand flower]

Probably just used to it

[shadow python]

Shanks got beat by pre fruit BB at 25 by 28 he's lost his arm. Which means in the span of 3 years he was able to go from losing to fruitless BB to even with Mihawk. And Shanks probably only got better since then

[leaden rivet]

Drawing a same side sword is very awkward

[leaden rivet]

We don’t even know if he lost

He just got scarred

[deep chasm]

oda knows who deserves the hype

[sweet anvil]

He was used to it with his other hand

Surely you’d just move it

[grand flower]

ard

[shadow python]

It wouldn't be until some time after this that Shanks would beat Loki and become an emperor

[tranquil blade]

I mean he probably did lose that one lol

[steel stirrup]

We dont know who won

Its possible they didnt even like fight fight, BB couldve just hit and run

[grand flower]

Naw

[leaden rivet]

From how I imagine it I think Blackbeard surprise attacked shanks and cut him

[grand flower]

Shanks said Teach didn't sneak him or nothing

[sweet anvil]

Shanks wasn’t off guarded

[grand flower]

Shanks said it to Whitebeard like he expected Whitebeard to respect it

[sweet anvil]

Bb blitzed him then left

[steel stirrup]

Yea not a sneak i mean after he scarred him he had to leave for whatever reason

[leaden rivet]

I think he was

[tranquil blade]

I think if Blackbeard just scarred him but lost or did it by sneak attack he wouldnt have been as concered with him as he is

[steel stirrup]

He said himself he wasnt

You think he was lying

[deep chasm]

I feel like we need to more often acknowledge Mihawk also may not have been his prime self at this time

[leaden rivet]

From the context of the discussion it makes most sense if he was sneak attacked

[leaden rivet]

I don’t think that’s what he said

As far as I remember he said he wasn’t being careless

[shadow python]

Shanks didn't even know BB had a fruit when he warned Whitebeard.

[fallen meteor]

it was eris that scarred shanks from BB's back
sorry Illya

[dense rapids]

Soon

[steel stirrup]

He said that yes.

[shadow python]

He thought Ace would lose to to the claw

[leaden rivet]

Shanks story to Whitebeard was essentially saying Blackbeard hides in the shadows and waits until the opportune moment to attack

[runic dock]

Turn a Jolly Roger slightly and invert an awakening scarf and you got the holy knight symbol

[tranquil blade]

I'd normally assume if Shanks suffered any loss or injury to anyone that it wasnt his fault and he got offguarded or something, but since it's Blackbeard I think a little differently

[sweet anvil]

This is what makes people think it wasn’t a surprise attack

[leaden rivet]

So I think in context of that, it makes more sense for Blackbeard to have his behind and cut him on a sneak attack

[leaden rivet]

Yeah I’m aware

[sweet anvil]

He says he wasn’t careless but ig it’s possible he still was surprised

[dense rapids]

I’m liking the theories that the Jolly Roger is basically a slap in Imu’s face disgracing the abyss mark

[sweet anvil]

But with his haki I doubt it

Shanks has crazy observation

[grand flower]

Teach is definitely a Haki fiend too

[dense rapids]

Iirc Oda said something about the Jolly Roger coming from the devil

[fossil mortar]

no evidence of that

[leaden rivet]

He does now

[steel stirrup]

I think thats what he means iyam

[leaden rivet]

And observation haki works like half the time anyway

[grand flower]

He scarred Shanks

[leaden rivet]

Can’t trust it

[tranquil blade]

I think despite how much Oda glazes Shanks to no end for his strength, Blackbeard is an exception because he is THE big villain of the series, and Oda clearly wants us to see him as a genuine threat

[runic dock]

Ooh I like that as well, like here’s a goofy ass smile on top of your symbol fuck your shit , jolly in the face of evil

[steel stirrup]

Nah Oda forgets about it

[grand flower]

Shanks is a Haki fiend

Teach scarred Shanks

Therefore Teach is a Haki fiend

[sweet anvil]

Shanks had acoc at like 15 no ?

Correct me if I’m wrong

[steel stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/speed-ishowspeed-speed-stream-ishowspeed-stream-speed-nod-gif-1082323842437565509

[tranquil blade]

Uhh we dont know that

[leaden rivet]

We don’t know

As far as I remember

[shadow python]

I'm hoping that's wrong because it's rather sad losing to pre fruit BB with Acoc

[sweet anvil]

Either way

[grand flower]

No it's not

[leaden rivet]

Why does it need to be sad?

[grand flower]

It just means Teach also has crazy Haki

[ruby moat]

Only thing that suggest shanks having it a young age is the whole “shanks copied divine departure” shit

[dense rapids]

Well he lost so

[steel stirrup]

How is that sad

[grand flower]

Teach is what introduced us to Haki in the series

[leaden rivet]

What if Clawbeard is built like that?

[steel stirrup]

Nothing to be ashamed of

[grand flower]

Why wouldn't he be a Haki fiend

[runic dock]

Nami changing her arlong tattoo could be like a parallel of that

[sweet anvil]

Yeah that’s what I’m referring to

My point is the shanks who got scarred would’ve had good observation

[deep chasm]

statement was about him learning divine departure, which isnt confirmed for 15, nor that you cant learn divine departure minus the acoc

[grand flower]

lmao

anyway

[tranquil blade]

but yeah I think that was the point of Shanks telling Whitebeard about it, Blackbeard is a genuinely strong guy who's a real threat even to someone like Whitebeard

[grand flower]

Scarred-era Shanks was strong enough to be a holy knight contender

[leaden rivet]

Shanks learned observation killing from Blackbeard.

Trust me.

[steel stirrup]

I interpret him saying "i wasnt careless" as him saying "I had my CoO on"

[latent hamlet]

Tremor Crush with Acoc bout to go crazy

[grand flower]

I doubt he's at that level without crazy Haki

[grand flower]

Funny thing is we've already seen him do this

[sweet anvil]

Fr

[shadow python]

Holy knights don't win fights

[latent hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/blackbeard-one-piece-tremor-crush-gif-1194713454513282731

[deep chasm]

lmao anyway 🤓

[grand flower]

that's actually a good point

[tranquil blade]

tbf you dont need to have coc to have crazy haki necessarily

[sweet anvil]

Also true

[grand flower]

the difference is you was saying bs

[steel stirrup]

Like Vergo

[deep chasm]

I dont think he was saying BB was a threat to WB at the time, but he would be one day

[sweet anvil]

Can we consider being a Hk contender as reason for having good haki

[thick mango]

just cause he doesnt care about honor duels and is a bit improvsitational and unserious people dont give bb his due. Hes at least #2 villian eos, maybe #1

[sweet anvil]

They let anyone in

[latent hamlet]

Nah he gotta do it punching the actual person not from range
People won't count it

[leaden rivet]

I think Blackbeard was a threat because he’s sneaky and tricky moreso than his sheer power

[grand flower]

It wouldn't be Divine Deparature without King's Haki

[steel stirrup]

Facts

[grand flower]

Just like it's Kong Gun and not Overkong Gun without King's Haki

[deep chasm]

we dont know that

[grand flower]

Just like it's Gum Gum Pistol in base

[sweet anvil]

Fr

[grand flower]

And Jet Pistol with G2

[steel stirrup]

Use your Blues Clues

[shadow python]

I think it requires Ryuo but not necessarily ACoc

[deep chasm]

yes. And he would have an endless ambition so eventually he may grow the power to be a threat to even the yonko

[leaden rivet]

I remember when people used to argue that Blackbeard didn’t have armament haki lol

[sweet anvil]

If acoc isn’t necessary I don’t get what would be so impressive about learning it

[deep chasm]

do you think loki knows what harald looks like

[steel stirrup]

Do i think Loki knows what his father looks like?

[deep chasm]

Techniques can be impressive to learn without having ACoC

[steel stirrup]

Are you fr

[grand flower]

Just like it's Meteor Fist when Garp throws a cannon ball but it's Galaxy Impact when he throws Haki

[leaden rivet]

Without Acoc divine departure is like a basic bitch sword swing

[shadow python]

Bart has learned the gomu gomu no pistol without being a rubber man

[leaden rivet]

It’s not a complicated movement at all, so the difficulty reasonably comes from conquerors coating

[ruby moat]

Indeed I did

[deep chasm]

every sword swing looks like a basic bitch sword swing, so I wouldnt assume acoc is all that makes it special

[grand flower]

It's Bazooka in base and Grizzly Magnum in G3

The name of the move corresponds to the level it's being used

[deep chasm]

Rocks attacks dont look like complicated movements, yet somehow a sword ends up working like a cannon ball, so I dont think that rlly matters

[grand flower]

Thunder Bellow Bagua is a higher level than Thunder Bagua

[sweet anvil]

Agreed I would argue acoc is the main feature of the slash though and incorporating it alongside the techniques quickdraw is what makes it so impressive

[leaden rivet]

Yes because Acoc

[grand flower]

So Divine Departure is always gonna be what we saw Roger did

[leaden rivet]

What would make the divine departure difficult to learn?

[deep chasm]

you think rocks sword style is that way just because of acoc?

[grand flower]

Both times he did was throwing King's Haki cause that's what it is when he's calling it that

[steel stirrup]

Notice how hes ignoring you now?

[deep chasm]

maybe maybe not

[tranquil blade]

You know I think I hate Shanks a little more

[leaden rivet]

Solely because of Acoc and ACOA.

[grand flower]

Non-Haki version would have a different name

[grand flower]

He always does that

It's better than capping tho

[deep chasm]

so why is this unique to him and others dont have this style

[steel stirrup]

You proved him wrong and he ignores the proof

[leaden rivet]

Your sharp sword doesn’t hit like a cannon ball without Acoc

[deep chasm]

I ignore the guy who argues in bad faith every day yea

[steel stirrup]

Bad faith?

[grand flower]

how is that bad faith

LMAO wow

[leaden rivet]

Because he uses Acoc differently I suppose, I think people do it different ways.

[steel stirrup]

He was giving you examples to back his claims

[grand flower]

Using the naming convention from the series is bad faith

[steel stirrup]

Bruh

[leaden rivet]

Some people’s Acoc attacks actually cut others don’t cut at all

[deep chasm]

I dont think a sword style unique to just rocks is solely because of acoc. Regardless, the point is lots of sword attacks look basic, it doesnt mean they are actually mean tto be

[grand flower]

see that's the problem

They backed MY claims

Not his

[steel stirrup]

Yep

[leaden rivet]

I think they are ALL basic without Acoc

[grand flower]

Dismissed from evidence

[deep chasm]

uh huh

[steel stirrup]

So now hes just gonna ignore and deny

[sweet anvil]

It’s divine departure because you need everything from it I would argue

[ruby moat]

This is why swordsmen are boring as fuck and top tiers need more weapon variety

[leaden rivet]

Girls stop fighting

[deep chasm]

no ones fighting

[sweet anvil]

Can you take away a big component of it and still call it the same attack

[leaden rivet]

I know I just wanted to say that

[sweet anvil]

Is the main point

[amber lark]

guys, was that the end of the flashback?

[sweet anvil]

If Luffy takes away the flames from red hawk it’s not red hawk

[deep chasm]

Yes if the component doesnt actually distinguish the attack. We dont know the ins and outs of the attack

[wet condor]

Swordsmanship is conceptually cool. I like how Oda introduced the different graded blades and how some blades have personalities of their own all that stuff

[steel stirrup]

I dont think so

[grand flower]

It's technically the same attack just like Grizzly Magnum and Gum Gum Bazooka are the same attacks

But the name will tell you the level being used

[amber lark]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-marineford-vista-vista-one-piece-mustache-gif-11257115747086353534

[deep chasm]

Do you think all of zoros one sword style attacks are simple to learn pre acoc

[leaden rivet]

But that doesn’t have to do with swordsmanship that’s just swords

[amber lark]

I hope to see Loki kill his father!!

[leaden rivet]

All of them? No. But a a basic swing like what is divine departure yes.

[shadow python]

Oh Red hawk is a good example. It's the same name as Aces famous fire fist and I believe was even translated that way at first but was meant to be a homage rather than an exact replica of the attack

[pulsar path]

Guys please tell me this is real

[ruby moat]

Yea that stuff is cool. The actual way ppl use them in one piece is boring tho

[wet condor]

Well, the actual swordfighting and stuff isn't that great and the execution of Zoro's journey leaves a lot to be desired

[grand flower]

But we see from Garp, Zoro, Sanji, Katakuri, Kaido, and Luffy that the level of Haki being used will determine the name of the attack

[tranquil blade]

I mean if it's just acoc then why couldnt Rayleigh replicate it too? He has acoc presumably and apparently only Shanks could recreate the move

[wet condor]

I've said that several times lol

[wet condor]

Yeah

[steel stirrup]

Yea its real

[shadow python]

But in the Shanks case rather than being a homage Shanks uses the exact same name and appears to be the same technique

[deep chasm]

Why arent they? Theyre all also basic sword swings. Nothing about the movement he does should really be crazy .

I think you expect too much if you think oda will make crazy sword swing movements for every attack meant to be special

[leaden rivet]

He’s not built like shanks

[amber lark]

hahaha, great!!

[pulsar path]

Amazing

[sweet anvil]

No technique pure haki and faith 🥹

[pulsar path]

Literally a dream

[grand flower]

I see it the same way throwing a roundhouse kick and sweeping a leg are two different maneuvers

[shadow python]

Raybae has Acoc too? Wonder why he wouldn't tell Luffy about it then

[grand flower]

You might be great at throwing one kick, but not so great at another

[leaden rivet]

Not all of them are basic sword swings, but the basic sword swings are I imagine easy to replicate.

[deep chasm]

So you agree theres something else about Divine departure that makes it hard to learn

[tranquil blade]

There is no way you are telling me a teenage Shanks is greater than Rayleigh

[steel stirrup]

I would hope for a cameo but you know Disney would probably sue Toei and Shuiesha for 5 generations straight

[leaden rivet]

As far as I can see the most difficult part of divine departure is using Acoc to blast into people

[leaden rivet]

Yes Acoc

[ruby moat]

Fr and ima go into this too bc even when it comes to fruit users Oda STILL makes them the same. We had the one fucker with Mr 5 fruit on god valley and he just so happened to use it in the same exact (sub optimal) way that Mr 5 did earlier in the story

[grand flower]

probably just that there wouldn't be much of a point

[deep chasm]

You just acknowledged ray has acoc

[amber lark]

Maybe we'll see Jack Sparrow in a filler episode or a movie

[deep chasm]

and cant learn it

[sweet anvil]

Zoro is like the only interesting swordsman to watch fight but lowkey his fights have gotten more boring since pre ts

Purely based on technique

[pulsar path]

Sadly

[still mason]

"What's One Piece?"

[sweet anvil]

Nowadays it’s just stronger haki slashes

[leaden rivet]

Well

[pulsar path]

Like dead ass doesn't he know about onepiece

[tranquil blade]

I get your idea but at the same time i dont really see how the haki is applied differently

[pulsar path]

I thought he wore zoros eating s

Earrings**

[leaden rivet]

Yeah I don’t think he can use Acoc like Roger and shanks can

[sweet anvil]

We’re never seeing something like rashomon draw again 😭

[amber lark]

Joy Boy is Johnny Depp

[grand flower]

I don't think it's necessarily applying the Haki, I think it's just the motion altogether

[leaden rivet]

There’s special ways to use Acoc,

[deep chasm]

what does that mean. Is there a special acoc technique that shanks and roger have that ray doesnt?

[shadow python]

Pre timeskip Zoro was learning to cut steel, getting flying slashes, burning slashes, and making clones of himself with asura.

Now he's just hitting harder

[still mason]

That's "Captain" Joy Boy

[tranquil blade]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-speed-ishowspeed-meme-speed-meme-ishowspeed-roblox-gif-4831828604483115799

[deep chasm]

what way is that

[wet condor]

@stone terrace I don't know if I've asked you but are you an advocate of Luffy dying? Against it? Or neutral?

[deep chasm]

because it just looks like normal acoc

[leaden rivet]

Like rocks

His is special

[amber lark]

the One Piece is Johnny Depp!!

[deep chasm]

ok but roger doesnt do that

[maiden charm]

https://tenor.com/view/whack-his-hair-gear-foot-stance-doesnt-like-to-smile-gif-13953287

[leaden rivet]

I think it follows the same logic

[grand flower]

I don't think we need to look into it any deeper than when Ray tries to do the technique, he doesn't execute it correctly

[stone terrace]

Yeah

[leaden rivet]

Roger does his own thing, that only shanks can replicate

[steel stirrup]

If it isnt a bottle of liquor or a joint or a shot of heroin, chances are Johnny hasn't heard of it.

[deep chasm]

which is what

[sweet anvil]

Maybe it’s time for some uncomfortable conversations

[stone terrace]

Well if he doesnt die thats fine

[leaden rivet]

Divine departure

[stone terrace]

But im totally for him dying too

[sweet anvil]

I’m joking btw

[deep chasm]

ok but like an answer that actuall answers what Im referring to

what is this special acoc shanks and roger use here

if its not what rocks does and its not normal acoc

[amber lark]

yeah yeah, just kidding

[tranquil blade]

I really think Shanks has to die by any means necessary

[grand flower]

Not being told by Oda what the minutiae is doesn't change that we know the bottom line is that Shanks and Roger can do the move, but Rayleigh can't

[steel stirrup]

The story will truly begin

[ruby moat]

Strawhat acoc.

[deep chasm]

could be it. Joyboy essence

[leaden rivet]

I imagine it’s special in the same way rocks is, only certain people can use it, if you’re looking for a name Laww I don’t have one

[ruby moat]

(There will be like 50 chapters left)

[sweet anvil]

But I think divine departure isn’t only about requiring haki it’s just using it alongside the actual technique of the skill

But both are needed

Also

[grand flower]

Yeah exactly

[steel stirrup]

Those will be the best 50 chapters

[grand flower]

I think it's that the others just couldn't pull off the manuever itself

[sweet anvil]

Rayleigh has his own attacks why would he steal Roger’s

[deep chasm]

So youre saying there another acoc ability that has yet to be revealed that is a used in divine departure, despite it looking like normal acoc. What is the indication of this

[grand flower]

The same way throwing a hook is a maneuver involving pivoting your legs properly

And posititoning the arms properly

It's easy to just take it like that

[ruby moat]

Bb will lose and potentially die within those chapters

[grand flower]

When Rayleigh tries to do it, he doesn't position properly

[ruby moat]

U realize that right

[grand flower]

Or he doesn't pivot properly

It's easy to handwave

[shadow python]

Technically speaking it's possible that Sanji has more sword training than Zoro does given Zoro left his dojo so early and Sanji probably started training from an earlier age

[leaden rivet]

I don’t think there’s an entire Acoc ability out there, I think it’s just a different way of using coc in the same way that rocks attacks are like cannon balls. And it’s just something that shanks can replicate and Rayleigh cant

[steel stirrup]

The antagonist of the story will lose to the protagonist?

No shit?

[grand flower]

lmaooo

[ruby moat]

Yes

[shadow python]

The most training probably would be Brook though. I imagine if he wanted to he could perform Lions song

[steel stirrup]

And?

[sweet anvil]

I just realised

Brook was alone for 50 years

[grand flower]

That's why he's insane now

[ruby moat]

I didn’t expect bbs loss to be “the best chapters” for u but if that’s what ur into I got no issue

[sweet anvil]

And was fodder after he got off

[deep chasm]

That would have to be an entire ACoC ability. otherwise youre referring to a technique which means theres a technique side that makes this sword style special, which is separate from ACoC until used in conjunction.

But again, whats the indication of this ?

[grand flower]

Brook is actually crazy

[shadow python]

But just because he can doesn't mean he ever will. And Momo learning it would still be impressive

[sweet anvil]

Dude wasted 50 years

[honest garden]

He learnt how to lean down 45 degrees actually

[steel stirrup]

Just because im a fan doesnt mean I think hes gonna win against Luffy or means that I would be rooting for him?

[maiden charm]

Ong,no bitches or money 😭

[grand flower]

The fact that Rayleigh can coat his attacks in King's Haki tells us that it's not the "utilizing King's haki" part of the technique that fails him

The only other component left is the form

It's basic process of elimination

[sweet anvil]

Talking about some may I see your panties after 😭

0 motion

[steel stirrup]

Im a BB fan, not delusional.

[leaden rivet]

Yes I agree with you there that its based in technique, but I also think Acoc users have different techniques in which they use it

[prisma idol]

A 45 degree lean is crazy, have yall tried to do it

[maiden charm]

How you spend 50 years not chasing a bag fr

[leaden rivet]

Not all people with Acoc fight the same way

[prisma idol]

https://tenor.com/view/lie-detector-lier-trending-gif-6708574292361340617

[steel stirrup]

Dont you believe in LuNa?

[honest garden]

He wasn't able to leave the fog because he had no shadow

[prisma idol]

It takes a delusional person to know one

[honest garden]

And he tried getting his shadow back and failed

[sweet anvil]

90 years old and not 1 piece of designer 🥹✌️

[leaden rivet]

What I mean is like Kaido’s Acoc attacks are usually point blank with no distance, rocks Acoc attacks hit like a hammer, shanks and Roger’s Acoc attacks often times don’t leave cuts in their opponents at all

[prisma idol]

I will always throw myself under the bus to bring someone down with me

[leaden rivet]

I think they’re just using it differently

[deep chasm]

But thats what Im saying. Youre saying as if all that makes this attack interesting is the acoc. If there is a separate technique that also makes it special, we could simply acknowledge it as such. If youre saying that technique is not separate from ACoC, then youre saying theres a new ACoC technique we've yet to learn of, despite it looking the same as normal ACoC.

I still want to know what indicates this other technique though

[sweet anvil]

Man at this rate acoc and acoa is all there is to the attack

[steel stirrup]

I have not once said that BB will beat Luffy

I have argued that, FOR ME PERSONALLY, it would be more powerful if Luffy and the SH lose their first fight. To show that even if a black hole swallows the sun, the light can shine again.

[sweet anvil]

Haki piece

[prisma idol]

Brook should have haki from the sheer will it took to withstand and stay sane for 50 years alone on a ship where your friends died at

[sweet anvil]

90 years old just for ussop to have more haki feats than you

Yeah wrap it up bro

[fallen meteor]

who says hes sane

[shadow python]

Brooks will was broken. He felt forced to survive because of his promise to laboon but I'm sure he wanted to die

Especially after losing his shadow

[fallen meteor]

brook's eos powerup will be getting his full sanity back

[leaden rivet]

Im saying there’s a seperate technique within Acoc that makes it different. Acoc isn’t used the same throughout every person.

[thick mango]

brook got the easiest dream by far

[trim lily]

as long as laboon is alive yeah

[leaden rivet]

Like shanks divine departure Acoc attack does not cut kid at all

Rocks Acoc attacks on Garling are cutting him through the head

[maiden charm]

Nah Ussop fr

[leaden rivet]

I think they’re just using it differently

[sweet anvil]

Lowkey he looks completely fine

[shadow python]

Wow! Kidd took a divine departure attack from THE red hair Shanks and didn't even get cut

[trim lily]

well he hit the railgun and not kid himself didnt he

[sweet anvil]

Like nearly 0 damage

What was Kidd on the floor for

[trim lily]

the railgun that exploded an inch away from him

[maiden charm]

The smell

[prisma idol]

99% damage from the explosion 1% damage from the slahs

Never forget

[trim lily]

canon

[maiden charm]

Shanks ain't changed those pants in years

[stone terrace]

Its cuz oda is a p word

[leaden rivet]

I think he blasted through the railgun and hit kid in his chest

[stone terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/disappointed-upset-distressed-smh-shaking-my-head-gif-14246474

[warm sierra]

99% Oda is just drawing Garling like that bc of the regen. Looking into it too much imo

[trim lily]

ah it does look like a cut on him there

[wraith mantle]

what other mangas/animes yall reading rn?

[stone terrace]

This is for all the holy knights yeah

[sweet anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/eustass-kid-kidd-mid-dead-big-mom-vs-kid-and-law-gif-12629737614112278138

Dude went through this

[trim lily]

too many to name

[stone terrace]

Oda is like genuinely awful at showing swords do what theyre supposed to do

[prisma idol]

Shanks cut so perfectly it passed between the space between Kidd's cells and didn't leave a mark

[sweet anvil]

And a railgun exploding is too much

[wraith mantle]

sheeesh bruh, anything good?

[stone terrace]

But now that theres characters that can regenerate, he can draw gore without the consequences

[warm sierra]

He learned from Buggy

[shadow python]

Kidds body didn't even realize it's been cut!

[deep chasm]

Okay so youre saying theres another ACoC technique. If youre saying this technique is not separate from ACoC, as in it cannot be used without also using ACoC, its a new ACoC technique.

I disagree and think this just is something that can be used without acoc. I think you can swing in a way to make divine departure special without it having acoc. And theres no hard proof thats not the case. Hence why Im saying we just dont know there

[trim lily]

probably shouldnt talk about this in also manga but sanda is a great ongoing show right now

[sweet anvil]

What does divine departure even do bruh 😭

[shadow python]

It makes you go away

[steel stirrup]

"Knock niggas out"

[wraith mantle]

hmm haven't heard it, might check it out

[tranquil blade]

Hit hard

[sweet anvil]

Like in terms of actual damage

[leaden rivet]

Haki shockwave

[wraith mantle]

roger created it to send imu back to the holy land

[tranquil blade]

It's basically just punching with your sword

[sweet anvil]

It lowkey does nothing

[trim lily]

basically like a zoro air blade but haki

or both

[sweet anvil]

😂😂

[maiden charm]

A lot but I'm liking Ragna Crimson, Kingdom and Tenkaichi a lot rn

[steel stirrup]

Well Oden no sold it but that was Oden

[grand flower]

then it wouldn't be divine departure just like a base bazooka isn't a grizzly magnum

[leaden rivet]

Im not saying im absolutely right either. Its just my interpretation.

[sweet anvil]

Look at the panel that was sent earlier Kidd has like 0 damage on his body his face is bloody but that’s from the rail gun

[wraith mantle]

i heard great things about kingdom, damn i really need to get into anime/manga again

[leaden rivet]

From what I recall I don’t think Roger’s divine departure cut oden either did it?

[tranquil blade]

I think really what this conversation solidifies to me is that Shanks is the root of all evil

[sweet anvil]

It’s peak

[maiden charm]

It's having a great year that's all I'm saying for now tho

[tranquil blade]

That's really all I'm getting out of it

[sweet anvil]

Blame everything on shanks

[stone terrace]

When your sword is just a fancy club

[wraith mantle]

heard it doesn't have official translation, is that a concern at all or is the fan translation good enough?

[stone terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/tony-soprano-the-sopranos-disappointed-shake-my-head-reaction-gif-8454516453669403576

[steel stirrup]

Yea so with those being the only two examples it seems like its not a good attack but the force he wouldve needed to send Oden back as far as he did is gargantuan

[tranquil blade]

Like I cannot like this character for the life of me I've tried

[leaden rivet]

Pretty much everyone who has Acoc swings their sword like a bat

[steel stirrup]

Shanks?

[sweet anvil]

The only issues are the names are different because they use a Japanese translation instead of the Chinese original names outside of that everything else is fine

[tranquil blade]

Yeah

[sweet anvil]

It’s just a strong haki push with your sword

[wraith mantle]

eh idrc about names

[steel stirrup]

I mean Rocks hit Loki with a similar attack and he didnt have a cut either i think

[sweet anvil]

He was in bandages and stuff I think

[wet condor]

"Rocks did it right!"

[sweet anvil]

Like had Kidd not had his ship destroyed

He wouldn’t need bandages everywhere

[wet condor]

Rocks has probably got my favorite fighting style for a swordsman in this series lol

[sweet anvil]

He would have like 3 plasters on his face

[wet condor]

But he doesn't use it

[stone terrace]

Rocks used his cannon blast shit like twice and once was on a child

[grand flower]

it was cool seeing it against harald

[wet condor]

Using the sword in basically the opposite way of what you'd normally use it for goes hard lol

[steel stirrup]

What was interesting to me is how the narrator said that Rocks sword style was unique

But we've seen it before

[wet condor]

[grand flower]

have we?

[wet condor]

You're talking about Big Mom's swordsmanship

[sweet anvil]

I miss when we got unique stuff

[muted marsh]

I cant wait for the end of One Piece and its all just a Shanks futuresight vision

[sweet anvil]

Seeing rokushiki for the first time was insane

[stone terrace]

Hard to do it when we're 1100 chapters in i guess

End the series unc

[leaden rivet]

Rocks stole divine departure from shanks

[steel stirrup]

The narrator said its known for being more akin to a hammer attack

[leaden rivet]

It’s canon

[steel stirrup]

Yea i was sharing this when the chapter dropped and mfs called me crazy

[muted marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/druski-gif-18348698948575815487

[sweet anvil]

Wait how did rocks do this

[leaden rivet]

sHanKs wAsnT bOrN yEt. Doesn’t matter.

[sweet anvil]

He hit Loki with his sword

[steel stirrup]

Thats basically Divine Departure

[sweet anvil]

And didn’t cut him

[sweet kettle]

onetap bums

[sweet anvil]

But like with no haki

Usually it doesn’t cut because the acoc means you don’t need to touch

[grand flower]

we've seen that before?

[leaden rivet]

We see him using haki

[muted marsh]

Rocks saw it with his futuresight that he yoinked from Shanks as well

[sweet kettle]

his haki hits like a cannonball

[wet condor]

Big Mom puts a hole in that tree

[sweet anvil]

I mean acoc

[wet condor]

The homie tree

[grand flower]

she carved that dude

[wet condor]

She blew a hole in him from what I remember

[tranquil blade]

Can you do Ikoku with a hammer

[urban sluice]

"valid point being raised" - dont matter.

[stone terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/rocks-upscale-rocks-d-xebec-upscale-one-piece-upscale-upscale-rocks-d-xebec-gif-398169938452173075

[tranquil blade]

If you can then Rocks just stole the giants technique

[leaden rivet]

Now you’re getting it

[tranquil blade]

and made his own version of it

[stone terrace]

Acoc looked better in its prototype stage

Wish oda stuck with this

[wet condor]

I like the lightning trails

[steel stirrup]

I think its that Rocks wasnt putting as much Haki into his swing

[frigid gulch]

Ikoku is like a beam

[frigid gulch]

Probably more akin to Brook’s thrusts

[steel stirrup]

He wasn't trying to kill Loki just hurt him enough to make Calling Harald back to Elbaf justifiable

[frigid gulch]

Flying ones

[sweet kettle]

ok so what is the national treasure that doflamingo was referring to

[dense rapids]

Fishman Island is the Deep Sea

Laugh Tale is in the Deep Deep Sea

[wet condor]

This diff than what I remember. I thought she legit put a hole in him lol

[muted marsh]

[steel stirrup]

Maybe Imu

Maybe Uranus

Likely both

[sweet kettle]

he stated that he would've obtained it with the ope ope

so imu is kind of eh

but uranus would make sense still

[grand flower]

you might be thinking of onigashima

[sweet kettle]

teleport with ope

[steel stirrup]

Either immortality or using Room to switch his mind with Imu's mind

[sweet kettle]

mmmm

not bad

[grand flower]

@wet condor

[sweet kettle]

doflamingo in imus body would be diabolical

[wet condor]

Oh damn yeah

[steel stirrup]

Yep

[sweet kettle]

especially because hes not as much of a bum as IMU

[muted marsh]

Who's pulling the strings

[stone terrace]

Can doffy really be worse than imu

[steel stirrup]

I wouldnt want to run into either one in a dark alley

[grand flower]

wasn't there someone in here named juniper

[steel stirrup]

In this server?

[tranquil blade]

maybe someone named junya

idk about juniper

[formal wagon]

wasn't there someone in here named grok

[bleak plover]

https://tenor.com/view/jacc-jacc-so-cool-scared-black-kid-black-gif-19028879

Wano jumpscare.

[grand flower]

best arc

[fallen meteor]

grokaya

[vital heart]

Hey guys

https://tenor.com/view/gasp-shock-scared-psyduck-pokemon-gif-25805348

[fallen meteor]

looks like imu

[vital heart]

Psyduck genuinely looks like Imu.

Is it just me?

[formal wagon]

meowth is italian american coded

[bleak plover]

Grokaya is this real?

[fallen meteor]

i'm pretty sure rokaya changed names because people kept @ing

[stone terrace]

@gork hello

[formal wagon]

merry evilmas

[bleak plover]

@grokaya is this real?

[formal wagon]

atgrok should i eat yogurt right now?

[grand flower]

this is what they celebrate in evil drum kingdom

[formal wagon]

real and true and good point and sage observation

[shadow python]

Murder is bad

[native seal]

bro what 😭

[grand flower]

lolol

[ashen rose]

Can't even murder anymore in peace, this world is becoming too woke nowadays

[lofty fern]

No kidding 😱

[grand flower]

-Loki

[ashen rose]

True

[amber lark]

Hihi

[blazing depot]

https://x.com/leleo2211/status/1997672567599947937?s=46

Leo | Sengoatku No. 1 (@Leleo2211)

Bum ass D member "Err...my brother? no no, idk who that guy is lol" imagine Luffy doing that for Ace 💀

X · Dec 7, 2025, 2:20 PM

Optwt so brainrotted it’s insane 😭

[wraith mantle]

valid slander

[amber lark]

https://tenor.com/view/charmander-charmander-pokemon-laughing-taunt-pokemon-gif-25122065

[blazing depot]

Not really??

He made a huge mistake in the past and regrets it

And now he’s dedicated his life to finding out the secrets of the world in memory of his brother

[dapper tree]

Looks like you

[wet condor]

Shit fries me every time

[celest mauve]

how to talk to a weeaboo serial killer

[blazing depot]

This is what most of Sandman’s posts sound like 😭

[bleak plover]

Shit fries you? It can't possibly do that.

[wet condor]

Well Biogas is a thing

High in methane

[hazy turret]

Hot take

But sandman was kinda cooking

[digital spear]

dead chat

[bleak plover]

You mean to tell me shrimp could actually fry rice?

[bleak plover]

@Grokaya is this true?

[hazy turret]

I don’t think music knows how to make fried rice

[wet condor]

Harvest the methane at the shrimp farm

[wet condor]

Depends what kind

[bleak plover]

Shrimp farm? That crop must be one in a krillion.

[grand flower]

Accurate depiction of the OP fandom these days

[grand flower]

Wow

[wet condor]

I'm not getting rice diff'd like you Rokaya

[hazy turret]

I was calling you a shrimp

[grand flower]

Sanji cook book has a fried rice recipe

[wet condor]

How tall are you?

[hazy turret]

6’7

[stone terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/aaron-judge-aaron-judge-home-run-blue-jays-aaron-judge-point-aaron-judge-double-take-gif-2137116347915669480

[grand flower]

Vertically challenged

[bleak plover]

You can't just shrimply do that.

[grand flower]

Rudolf like Christmas

[wet condor]

https://tenor.com/view/not-laughing-laugh-will-arrive-in3to5business-days-gif-21006409

[hazy turret]

Feel like that fish so I’m puffin my chest

[wet condor]

True

[bleak plover]

She does have a christmas costume, guess what she's dressing as.

[grand flower]

Mrs Clause

[grand flower]

I knew you’d like it

[hazy turret]

BIG GUY

[bleak plover]

For you.

[hazy turret]

Excuse me?!

[grand flower]

U
U
U
U

[grand flower]

Hello, CIA

[bleak plover]

Batman reference?

[grand flower]

https://tenor.com/view/for-you-bane-the-dark-knight-rises-tom-hardy-gif-21912820

[hazy turret]

We need a one piece topic

[bleak plover]

A bloody christmas tree. And her friend actually dressed as Rudolf.

[grand flower]

I respect this a lot

[bleak plover]

One Piece ー Topic

[grand flower]

I wanna be a tree

[dense rapids]

Buggy is Luffy’s actual rival

[dense rapids]

Luffy is Joy boy from the future

[grand flower]

YES

[bleak plover]

You oak to be.

[dense rapids]

Also we’re finally seeing if Joy boy haki is actually gold next week

[grand flower]

Time for me to branch out

[bleak plover]

Gotta let that new life of yours take root.

[grand flower]

Really allow myself to blossom

[ashen rose]

Loki suffered a lot

[grand flower]

Oh yeah I was wondering earlier if Loki just sensed Ida died

[sage temple]

I think he got the gist that she died

[dense rapids]

“Ida’s voice… it’s gone”

[sage temple]

Alcohol villagers didn't give him any chance to think she'd survive

[grand flower]

He seems to react the moment she dies

[grand flower]

Sad shit

I’d crash out too

[grand flower]

After all this, he fumbles a baddie too

[ashen rose]

We still need full context for that, if anything Lola was the one who fumbled him

[ashen rose]

He probably never actually got a cure, so he knew it was just a moment of time until she died

[sage temple]

Oh thats what u mean yea that'd be cool

[leaden rivet]

Im 13 and this is deep

[sage temple]

Like irl when moms know when their kid's in danger allegedly

[ashen rose]

I don't know man, I think having to kill your dad while still grieving the loss of your mother is not exactly something light

[leaden rivet]

Motherfucker I just said it’s deep. What more do you want?

[ashen rose]

Or is it?

[ashen rose]

Your money

[timber glacier]

thats not deep

[timber glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/shanks-d-rat-snitch-devil-gif-10652128958513752883

[vital heart]

Hey guys

Do you wanna know why I think that Imu looks like a Psyduck

[timber glacier]

not really

[sage temple]

No

[remote maple]

I saw an imu figure irl at a store, I really question why you'd make a figure of a silhouette

[timber glacier]

Money

[formal wagon]

sure!

[vital heart]

This panel started it. The eyes and the shape of his silhouette caused by the slicing of his body by Rocks really gave of Psyduck vibes.

[formal wagon]

he kind of looks like a pokemon or something

[scarlet nacelle]

like cutting a worm and it grows into 2 different worms

[formal wagon]

like cutting a different and it turns into two wormy differents

[thick mango]

it gonna feel weird in luffy wins in elbaf

unless its like enel and hes uniquely capable of winning here maybe it can roll with that

[formal wagon]

imu's weakness will be lies

the king of the world is guillible

[thick mango]

I dont think i can this panel and the answer bgin, ah well they werent just as strong as luffy. Or they didnt know this secret haki technique. These 5 werent enough but luffy loki harujdin is or something

idk who that guy was circling it was just the first instance of this panel i can find

oh its the lightning coming off big mom blade

to me this panel exists at its spot in the story to say 'the upcoming battle is doomed'

the only alternative is its purpose is to glaze a victory but is that really necessary

[ruby moat]

Hajrudin is the key.

[thick mango]

maybe something like that can be pulled off but idk im not optimistic

this is basically the entire world of legends at this point, these 6 are probably all in their time's top 10 and they accomplished nothing but escape

[dense rapids]

Tiamat had the tablet of destiny which was stolen by Marduk

Imu has the Abyss Book that will be stolen by Blackbeard

[dapper tree]

Luffy would clear 👌, but yeah, luffy and loki not only stronger but also got the haki and right df hax

[ashen perch]

They are going to do better than these guys still

[sage temple]

Loki is key

[thick mango]

but do you agree they still end leaning towards loss ?

[dapper tree]

Naw

[sage temple]

Probably not at first

[dapper tree]

Imu been winning long enough

[sage temple]

I hope it'll be like Wano though where Luffy has time to rematch

[ashen perch]

They have the right DFs, they have Imu in the body of somebody that's gonna emotionally break, they have somebody who seems to be her father figure, so they're going to succeed in sending Imu back atleast

[thick mango]

cause if the setup here is, even all the combined efforts of the last generation couldnt prevail. Then the conlcusion of the the victory is something like... but not our ultra special current generation. Then where do we go from here? What is the threat/tension of the rest?

we gotta go beat imu 3 more times but we're already 2-0

without some loss in there it loses its triumph

[sage temple]

I think Loki will be able to use his experience to teach Luffy and beat the rest of them

[dapper tree]

What wins against Imu?

[ashen perch]

I lean towards a combat loss for Luffy but still a win in general that allows them to send Imu back

[sage temple]

But that's not happening instantly

[dapper tree]

We have technical wins against his underlines

[thick mango]

egghead leans towards strawhat victory, elbaf would be the second

[dapper tree]

Underlings

Egghead is a mixed bag

[sage temple]

Well the original objective of Imu and the HKs were to transport the giants to Mary Geoise

It'd be cool if it's like a high speed boat chase between the WG and the Strawhats

Since the HKs complained already about having to physically bring the kids and giants instead of using the Abyss

[ashen perch]

It would hurt the final war if he lost in a legitimate way, I think we can rule that out

Nobody's strength should be enough here

[thick mango]

thats all im saying that it would bum me out if the answer is 'but actually the strength of our heroes is so much more than the past that it is enough this time'

[ashen perch]

If anything works out, it should be centered around Brook and Gunko

Imu may have made a mistake by possessing her when Brook can free her, something like that

[sage temple]

Yeah maybe, but this also seems like it's not the full extent of Imu's power

[thick mango]

something like that that takes imu out of the equation would be ok i think

[sage temple]

So Imu could lose in this form it wouldn't be a big deal

[dapper tree]

Yeah, imu nerfed rn

[ashen perch]

Yea I get this

[thick mango]

imu would basically lose the ability to project here, but imus actual strength, even projected strength stil lwould have been too much

[ashen perch]

Well Imu was also definitely nerfed in GV lol

Didn't help

[quiet ice]

Hello Arsal the wise

[ashen perch]

I think Saturn was actually just possessed the same way as Gunko, as thats how we last saw him

There isn't any difference except Imu chose to manifest in a vaguely physical form there for a bit

Hi Wanze

The BBL? Idk

[sage temple]

I mean nobody in GV showed the capability to actually kill a Holy Knight

[ashen perch]

And he might do that here too

[sage temple]

So at least in this case we have a counter to some of the Abyssal powers already

[ashen perch]

Xebec

[sage temple]

Xebec didn't kill Garling

[ashen perch]

Well not HK

But he killed Regen users

[sage temple]

Wait who

[thick mango]

knocking out a HK but still needing to flee might be a good compromise

[ashen perch]

Domi Reversi'd people still have undying bodies, Imu said that

[scarlet nacelle]

elbaf has to end with the straw hats escaping the island just like egghead
practically no concieveable way they beat gunkimu without some deus ex machina

[cloud ember]

menga is dead

[ashen perch]

They're not gonna escape

[quiet ice]

You know that last last chapter mentioned shanks had his eye covered. I thought it was an eyepatch and got sad cause it would mean OP is at the tail end of its lifespan

[sage temple]

Domi Reversi seems a lot less regen-powerful than the Holy Knights

[quiet ice]

Ten more years of OP

[ashen perch]

Why

[thick mango]

i dunno i lean towards escape its the only type of modest failure i can think of

[maiden smelt]

I want the strawhats to lose on elbaf and learn and grow but based on what gaban said I don’t think it will happen 💔

[sage temple]

Because Xebec actually had to defend using ACoC against Roger and Garp

Meanwhile Garling took an ACoC slash to the face and regenerated immediately

It just doesn't seem like the same typa regen

[thick mango]

we cant have a massive sabaody failure here but we do need a modest failure somewhere along the way, losing control of elbaf would be a good fit.

[scarlet nacelle]

then how do you suppose this arc ends

[quiet ice]

We found your burner account, morj…

[sage temple]

In b4 the tree falls

[maiden smelt]

There’s still a chance the raid will fail it’s not over yet 😞😞

[scarlet nacelle]

well ok but what happens to the straw hats after all's said and done

[ashen perch]

Eh true true

[quiet ice]

But for real though I don’t think we have the time for a full on loss and having them regroup narratively. At least the way people want it, like a sort of training arc

[scarlet nacelle]

they either HAVE to escape or imu wrecks them

[quiet ice]

I think Oda very much wants to end OP

[sage temple]

No idea ngl