also-manga

[icy wolf]

now hes got an imu buff and immortality

[tawny panther]

probably nika fruit

[dense pike]

work harder
vs
work "smarter" (more creatively)

I prefer the latter

[icy wolf]

holy knight harald is fr top 3 all time only beaten by imu and joyboy

[lofty fern]

Didn't it only take 1 HK to beat him already?

[icy wolf]

probably

[distant vine]

Less war? Harald is a fiend. Less war means Elbaph wont be ready for more war!

[tawny panther]

to get intel on it , it’s what I think Shanks wanted to talk to Harald about in mariejois

[latent hamlet]

shhh jimbei was nerfed cuz no water

[wet condor]

Oh yeah the official is out

[wet condor]

Using the absolutely cheesiest of abilities, yes

[urban lodge]

Same, the uniqueness of each devil fruit is why devil fruits usually lead to more interesting fights

[hazy echo]

Bro they cooked with the episode

[distant vine]

His mission in going to Mariejois or the one that wouldve promoted him?

[lofty fern]

hold your tongue. Vectors are awesome 🔀

[dense pike]

Speaking of, Nami could probably set him up for some nasty combos with good raincloud placement

[tawny panther]

I do believe Seraphim’s > Holy Knights though (not including Harald and possibly Shamrock)

[icy wolf]

???

[tawny panther]

and they have way more potential

[stone terrace]

We need to see how immortality works deeper

[dense rapids]

Johnny Depp is a Roger pirate

[tawny panther]

they’ve been more impressive to me

[stone terrace]

Before nobody without acoc even had a chance against harald in the first place

[noble carbon]

The latter

[icy wolf]

im so tired of the holy knight downplay bro people just completely ignore the regen, they’re all beasts

[frigid gulch]

I’m pretty sure Augur notes this concept

[tawny panther]

i’ve seen seraphim’s fight against two yonkos and multiple yonko commanders and come out unscathed

[distant vine]

Theyre trying not to laugh I just know it

[frigid gulch]

He said Ace was an actual good fighter

[icy wolf]

gunko neg diffed half the strawhats cmon

[frigid gulch]

Not just reliant on logia powers

[stone terrace]

"Imu hax"

[frigid gulch]

It’s a thing

[lofty fern]

You should have seen Meek go haywire because Stephan knows how to use Old English, which Meek is ignorant of

[stone terrace]

😭

[icy wolf]

jinbei is worth a billion and got put down by gunko so fast in a 4v1

[graceful belfry]

I just don’t feel like it’s that definitive. He’s 100% relative in strength to the other strongest characters in the series, though. Assuming that we’re talking about Harald’s own inherent abilities and not the Imu contract buff

[glacial bear]

Rayleigh sneaked Sommers. That’s why he ran away!

[icy wolf]

of course we considering the imu buff

[tawny panther]

S Hawk doing the same thing .. zoro lucci luffy kaku together could do nothing to him and S bear so imagine the weaker straw hats who gunko faced

[lofty fern]

I'm still trying not to laugh about how big this hallway is

[tranquil blade]

tbf Harald would be pretty hard to beat even if you're stronger than him

[glacial bear]

One can outwit Harald

[tranquil blade]

because coc only slows down regen it doesnt stop it entirely

[obtuse perch]

maybe imu had it designed with the intentions of bringing the giants to heel as well.

[latent hamlet]

they made it long cuz they need to walk for their exercise

[vernal ravine]

he could give a kick and sent the elders flying

[latent hamlet]

but they cant leave

"i still need my 10000 steps a day"

"thank lord imu for granting us this overly long hallway"

[glacial bear]

Nusjuro’s cario must be insane

Cardio

[frigid gulch]

Alls I’m saying

[distant vine]

Oh it seems we're going back? Unless this means back to Loki's POV

[stone terrace]

van augur was just saying shit ngl

[frigid gulch]

He’s right

[ashen perch]

nah it means we're back to the main story of the flashback

[lofty fern]

But why so talllllllll

[urban lodge]

Meanwhile bro couldn't even use basic haki

And NO the novels do NOT count

[stone terrace]

every time aces powers were taken he was helpless

so like

not sure how that conclusion was came to

[cloud adder]

ye, back to loki's pov of what this flashback was actually supposed to be about

[tranquil blade]

Ace shoulda stabbed Blackbeard tbh

[latent hamlet]

because they have to turn into their demon forms to stretch sometimes

[glacial bear]

https://tenor.com/view/blackbeard-one-piece-fire-nipple-stroke-gif-12608891219742045043

[icy wolf]

ace proceeds to get low diffed and brought to prison

haki transcends all ahh

[frigid gulch]

That has nothing to do with it

[cloud adder]

he had a knife on him and everything 💔

[obtuse perch]

the current flashback started as a flashback to explain why loki being framed for harald's murder was such a big deal. so we went into one flashback to give loki's perspective, another flashback to show how harald ended up in that position, and we're about to inception our way up 2 levels

[lofty fern]

They can speak telepathically so they were probably having a good evil maniacal laugh mentally

[urban lodge]

Augur is saying that to make himself feel better because he was absolute ass

[indigo yacht]

I remember when people thought Jarul betrayed Harald

[glacial bear]

LMAO

[tranquil blade]

He has a knife and the only time he used it was to try to kill a dying old man

[indigo yacht]

In reality Harald betrayed Harald

[dense pike]

lets be entirily clear here
Gunko caused it
but the attack that took him out was Brook's own attack that got redirected
Brook is strong enough to take Jinbe out

[stone terrace]

BROOK

[indigo yacht]

Brook upscale

[frigid gulch]

The same sorta thinking is echoed by Pekoms. It’s not cope

[glacial bear]

Brook is Warlord level confirmed

[distant vine]

Oda please let Zoro cut the arrows

Itd be so funny

[indigo yacht]

Lmfaoo

[tough igloo]

it should with how much oda was involved in it and japanese readers view it as canon .. doesn’t really change much

[lofty fern]

I think they tried that already

[cloud adder]

would the arrows regen since theyre part of gunko

[distant vine]

After that my vengance against Jinbe fans will be satisfied

[glacial bear]

The arrows can redirect no?

[barren token]

Has zoro fought gunko?

[wet condor]

Realistically, Oda isn't gonna let anyone there redeem themselves

[frigid gulch]

Will a small ass knife yea

[dense pike]

yeah they can

[indigo yacht]

Zoro doesn’t even know who Gunko is

[barren token]

Exactly

[obtuse perch]

if its a paramecia type ability it might be expelled from her not part of her

[barren token]

Who cares if other people cant cut the arrows

[wet condor]

I'll just have to envision Jinbe vagabond drilling Gunko throw the sun level into the underworld or something

[barren token]

Zoro can do anything

[distant vine]

Robin tried cutting it

[tawny panther]

with how Oda keeps giving Ace feats post death .. I believe it lol

[distant vine]

But she dont got Haki lol

[glacial bear]

Killingham will get a massive aura boost in the anime if he’s Zoro’s opponent

[distant vine]

Or swordsmanship

[graceful belfry]

Oda had to nerf his sense of direction, otherwise he’d be too powerful

[distant vine]

Sanji cant fight women so Zoro has to fight Imu first

[dense pike]

if Zoros doing anything with the arrows, itll be about his zero sense of direction gag, lets be fr

[distant vine]

[urban lodge]

Jimbei tried moving one of the arrows and couldn't

[obtuse perch]

zoro will be gunko's natural counter. you can't confuse the direction of someone who's already lost

[wet condor]

where did this come from?

[lofty fern]

Jinbe has haki and he can't karate chop it

[distant vine]

I feel like that is possible yeah

[glacial bear]

Luffy & Loki will fight Gunko-Imu. But does this mean Zoro & Sanji will fight the Sommers & Killingham + Dory & Brogy?

[cloud adder]

good pt, i wonder if we'll see any of the holy knights with a logia fruit

[distant vine]

Jinbe fans tortured me in Egghead about "Zoro needed 6 months to beat Lucci" and "Jinbe defeated Lucci" so this is just desserts

[dense pike]

Could Gunkos arrows turn Dragons head away from East

[frigid gulch]

Jinbe’s plan is coming soon

Trust

[tawny panther]

Imu gonna leave Gunko body and go back to mariejois after domi reversi Loki lol

[cloud adder]

zoro didnt actually beat lucci btw

[wet condor]

I was not there for these

[cloud adder]

fight wasnt over

[urban lodge]

Philosopher of the straw hats

[cloud adder]

[wet condor]

I didn't see 'em

[icy wolf]

both zoro and sanji are fucked😭😭

[graceful belfry]

Zoro and Sanji might fight Dorry and Broggy respectively. Luffy and Loki versus Gunkmu sounds about right, though. Or Loki get’s reversi’d and becomes Luffy’s primary fight

[tawny panther]

then the main fight of Elbaf will be Luffy vs DR Loki

[stone terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/warehouse-packing-box-empaqu-gif-11607589

[wet condor]

This can actually be a respectable title

[glacial bear]

They need to do that Pirate Dock thing again like they did in Thriller Bark

[frigid gulch]

Since Rocks was freed it’s a little anticlimactic but

[glacial bear]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-docking-gif-16390706077189435363

[cloud adder]

loki getting reversi?? oh nah, i didnt sign up for that

[urban lodge]

It could, but to someone else

[frigid gulch]

It’ll still be a good fight

[tawny panther]

feels like a given at this point

[urban lodge]

It's definitely gonna happen

[distant vine]

Zoro scarring Imu while Rocks cant...

[cloud adder]

id prefer imu attempting to reversi loki and loki being able to fight it

[tawny panther]

Imu controls Rocks , then controls Harald , Loki is next but he gets saved by Nika instead of dying

[distant vine]

[tawny panther]

lol that sounds like a pipe dream

[frigid gulch]

It’s just more if they free the giants before Loki is turned, then Loki can easily be freed

[urban lodge]

It's perfect, he gets reversi'd just like his idol but survives and in the process realizes Luffy is the real Nika and not him

[tawny panther]

Loki gonna have to face the real sun god

[vestal mural]

Istg if zoro does that this arc im dropping op

[cloud adder]

believe in loki, the backup nika

[tawny panther]

and realize it was always luffy once he gets saved

[graceful belfry]

It’s essentially just an alley oop for Luffy vs. Loki, which sounds like a really interesting fight. But also, Domi Reversi has shown no discernible limitations, although I’m positive they exist

[stone terrace]

we saw imu ragebait lokis idol and then control his dad i think its inevitable

[wet condor]

Loki could probably fight it for a while

[wraith mantle]

The more I think about harald, the more I think the message of his character is to avoid extremes, the extreme leads people to being a slave to their desires

[obtuse perch]

not since Bonnie achieved Bonkai

[tawny panther]

exactly lol and Loki is easy to rage bait

[wet condor]

but once Imu gets a hold of him, it's a wrap

[tawny panther]

all Imu gotta do is talk shit about Ida and Loki is cooked

[wet condor]

P much lol

[cloud adder]

she's 3rd in line considering age

[frigid gulch]

“I did the same to that fool Rocks”

[urban lodge]

Lmao

[frigid gulch]

Then Loki rages

[urban lodge]

Loki is 100% getting rage baited

[distant vine]

Notice how when Kuma makes a deal with the devil its fine but when Harald does it...

[cloud adder]

ace 2.0??

[distant vine]

🏃‍♂️

[glacial bear]

Will Hajrudin & Luffy then break Loki free from Imu’s curse?

I feel like Hajrudin has to do something in this arc. It’s his time to shine too

[tawny panther]

Loki has to get domi reversi so we get the fake sun god vs the actual sun god

[barren token]

People did meme on kuma a bit to be fair

[wet condor]

This shit tragic

[urban sluice]

@scarlet nacelle please ignore the warn twas a mistake (you didnt do anything)

[urban lodge]

Yeah but at least he won't die

[tawny panther]

Imu was never gonna be the main fight of Elbaf

[vestal mural]

0/10 rage bait

[stone terrace]

if kuma didnt take the deal bonney dies

cut and dry

[frigid gulch]

Rocks is still the goat

[wraith mantle]

is ragebaiting a requiremeny for domi reversi?

i think one of the leakers mentioned it and people just ran with it lol

[frigid gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/elbaph-rocks-rocks-one-piece-rocks-d-xebec-xebec-gif-7921250111547198384

[wet condor]

I missed these

[wet condor]

Yeah I remember that. I don't know if it is really

[obtuse perch]

harald didn't have to make the giants a member nation to improve relations with the rest of the world. kuma had a single way to save bonnie.

[wet condor]

But if it is, Loki is the easiest person in the world to rage bait

[glacial bear]

I see the whole straw hat pirates + Bonney fighting Sommers & Killingham

[tawny panther]

and i hope you loki stans are prepared cause once he gets domi reversi , Oda is gonna have his big brother Hajrudin have a feat against him .. it’s textbook Oda lol

[vestal mural]

I don’t think it is really

[wet condor]

Say anything about Xebec or Ida, and he's going berserker

[frigid gulch]

It could be

[cloud adder]

i SAW a theory that imu threatening loved ones or ragebaiting is a way to make them doubtful/not calm which would disrupt the quality of the haki/make them drop their guard so imu has an easier time doing the domi-reversi

[glacial bear]

Loki or Luffy should poke Imu’s eyes

[wet condor]

And then his ass is cooked

[frigid gulch]

Imu taunted Rocks

And that’s why Rocks lept at him

[obtuse perch]

plot twist, Hajrudin is the one who gets DRd and Loki has to fight his brother

[frigid gulch]

He resisted DR until Imu starts taunting him again

[urban lodge]

Maybe it's related to negative emotions

[wraith mantle]

interesting how it could tie their emotional state to their haki control

[glacial bear]

Oooo

And Hajrudin grows taller due to the Domi Reversi

[tawny panther]

realistically only ones who gonna likely be able to resist/counter DR is gonna be Luffy & Teach .. sadly Loki will fall victim to it

[glacial bear]

And Imu feeds on Hajrudin’s negative emotions

[obtuse perch]

gets the horns too

[wraith mantle]

i know emotional state affects observation haki thats for sure

[glacial bear]

YEAH

[icy wolf]

imu is haki

[cloud adder]

ray said on day 1 of luffy's haki training that "the power to never doubt" is what strong haki is or something

[frigid gulch]

Nika can’t be affected cause he’s joyful or something

[obtuse perch]

you are my witness sayabusa

[wraith mantle]

damn this is deep

[glacial bear]

Yes I am! I will vouch for you!

[dense pike]

i think their wrath at not being able to stop Imu serves as a sort of wish for strength that lets Imu force them into a contract

[cloud adder]

the mental nerf allegations are no joke

[wraith mantle]

haki may not be ass after all

[bleak plover]

Whoever made this sticker must be such a cool and awesome person.

[cloud adder]

[obtuse perch]

Imu: Domi Reversi

Nika: Uno Reverse

[cloud adder]

you cooked this up before flashback or when

[dense pike]

like 20 minutes ago or something.
Ive been thinking about Imus contract powers a lot lately

[tough igloo]

Nika too good for it to work , Yami Yami too evil for it to work lol

[stone tulip]

Who knows but I think it will eventually explain how it actually works

[frigid gulch]

“The other thing that my darkness drags in is… the devil’s power!!!”

[alpine trench]

well, taking this joke as a serious point to jump off, kuma knew he was being exploited by the government and willingly did it, harald was blind to that self awareness and reflection

[bleak plover]

Man I miss Crocodile.

[tawny panther]

idk how some people can see Teach talk about the DF like that and not think the yami yami is one of the DFs Rocks needed “ they say this is the most powerful of all DFs “ “I can also absorb the devils powers “

Eris 100% knew

[stone tulip]

Reading this reminded me of what Shanks had said to Buggy during Orange town flashback, this might be even more relevant now

[dense pike]

Exactly…
Imu gave the ancient kingdom devil fruits. The power was the bait, and the no-swimming clause was the catch, and its purpose was to doom the nation beneath the waves when it came time to flood it

[urban lodge]

Viz really needs to go back and retranslate old volumes

[stone terrace]

[alpine trench]

crazy emote

[lofty fern]

That's kinda cool

[dense pike]

THANK YOU!!

[sage temple]

I just got a green mcdonalds fry

[stone terrace]

i just had that shit yesterday

[stone tulip]

To be fair WG kept sabotaging Harald’s efforts way back then during the time Loki was born and he probably came to conclusion that he had to work with them in order to fulfill his goal to make Elbaf be one with the world and as far as he was concerned WG might have been the lesser evil compared to pirates (which is accurate to how the world view them), unfortunately Harald didn’t realize that the reality is way too opposite of that.

[dense pike]

lucky guy

[sage temple]

I know I know

[stone terrace]

It was ok, im glad they tried the shaker here in the states though

they have it in asia

[sage temple]

Have you tried the grinch meal yet

[stone terrace]

yea

[sage temple]

Was it good

[stone terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/deciding-jabrils-balance-so-so-between-two-things-gif-19796758

[sage temple]

Better or worse than the double quarter pounder with cheese

[stone terrace]

You get socks with it too

Apples to oranges

[sage temple]

I miss the chicken big mac

[hazy turret]

Why can’t I find that Roger garp and rocks image with Luffy there too

[stone tulip]

It’s either this or the devil fruit started off as dream fruits and it ended up being corrupted by sea devil (imu) and it would explain why Imu would want to drown the world just to literally destroy the hopes and dreams of people that were manifested for so long and would be Imu’s way to try and kill Nika while at it too.

[stone terrace]

I get serious fomo with this limited time items smh

never had the chicken big mac or grimace shake

[dense pike]

yeah that works too
theres deffo some form of alterior motive for the no-swim rule

[sage temple]

The chicken big mac was the greatest thing mcdonalds has thought up in the past 2 years bro

I don't like any of the shakes tho they're all too milky

If I could describe the chicken big mac as a person it'd be Loki

[dense rapids]

🤢

[obtuse perch]

bare minimum the sea level rising but there being a lone, dangerous way to leave your spawning zone that also limits the size of the ships (reverse mountain) does a good enough job disconnecting the world already. the people can't rise up if they can't communicate en masse easily

also why i suspect Imu wanted Vegapunk taken out as well. not only did he want to power the world, one of his dreams was the free exchange of information. he wanted to make the internet and Imu did not want that to happen either

[stone terrace]

wild because they dont even use milk

😭

[sage temple]

That placebo effect really doing a number on me

[dense pike]

isnt there like powdered milk in the milkshake mix they use?

[stone terrace]

the only milk comes from the ice cream

[dense pike]

oh so there is milk in the ice cream in the milkshake?
thought they had a powder they added water to to make it

[glacial bear]

Ice cream sounds good right about now

[sage temple]

They need to hold the milk in the ice cream

[stone terrace]

yeah its mostly real ice cream

[glacial bear]

https://tenor.com/view/big-mom-one-piece-tea-party-totto-land-whole-cake-island-gif-20049142

Dude I’d be in heaven right there ngl

[dense pike]

oh damn, i thought they still used the milkshake powder mix Ray Croc originally sold to the original McDonalds owners

[glacial bear]

Free food? Sign me up!

[craggy vapor]

is this fan made or canon?

[stone terrace]

maybe they did originally but its been just their ice cream and something they dub "syrup" for a long time now

[dense pike]

ah i see

If only I could bring all the boys to the yard 😔
(The humble milkshake)

[urban sluice]

canon

its a really small detail in 1152

[craggy vapor]

do you which chapter that is?

[urban sluice]

I also missed it

[keen cedar]

Does the latest chapter kind of confirm that the pentagrams are pre-placed perhaps on allied nations for initial spawn points?

[tranquil blade]

Yeah

[keen cedar]

Lol nice pfp

[muted hedge]

https://x.com/BoneheadBuggy/status/1997273115018047995

Severen 🍉 (@BoneheadBuggy)

That's my boy ya'll! Lokiiiii!!!

X · Dec 6, 2025, 11:53 AM

[cloud adder]

top 15 char design

[muted hedge]

definitely

[stone terrace]

loki is no stranger to being bored it seems lol

[tranquil blade]

There is nothing to do in Elbaph

[shell scroll]

hasnt be been chained and imprisoned his whole life basically

[hazy turret]

Guys

[vestal mural]

P much yea

[hazy turret]

Where is the Roger rocks and garp magazine page thing

[sage temple]

Best coloring I've seen of it ngl

[shell scroll]

i guess next ep is imu gasp idky i thought itd be this ep

[vestal mural]

Today’s ep was great

[shell scroll]

ye

[muted hedge]

probably because they made it from scratch just using the panel as a reference

[shell scroll]

it really was

[vestal mural]

I can’t stop tearing up at bonika

[shell scroll]

bonika is so goated

[sage temple]

Ohh ic

[stone terrace]

@hazy turret https://x.com/ihatebbls/status/1997491541632487668?s=46

Boppa 🧟‍♂️ (@ihatebbls)

We migt as well give Ashton Jeanty the Heisman this season

X · Dec 7, 2025, 2:21 AM

wait

LOL

[shell scroll]

i stg only the powerscalers hate that shes 12 with nika and haki

[tranquil blade]

They really did turn Roger into Ace

[vestal mural]

wtf was that tweet, icon

[ashen rose]

🔥

[shell scroll]

garp got luffy scar

[stone terrace]

college football talk

[frigid gulch]

Ace upscale ?

[dense rapids]

Rocks

[shell scroll]

at least we know ace was really rogers son

[hazy turret]

@ihatebbls

[tranquil blade]

Keep that fire boy in hell he doesnt deserve an upscale

[stone terrace]

[tranquil blade]

what

what's going on man

[hazy turret]

That’s the name of the Twitter account

[frigid gulch]

@ihatebbls

[hazy turret]

Thank you 🙏

Discord stop

[tranquil blade]

you're welcome

[hazy turret]

GARBAGE APP

[hazy turret]

@ ICON

[stone terrace]

[tranquil blade]

Can you just ping like a normal person

[vestal mural]

Rok? Normal? Person?

[pine scaffold]

https://x.com/pewpiece/status/1997717854968590640

Pew (@pewpiece)

Eiichiro Oda gifted Johnny Depp a newly drawn Jack Sparrow illustration.

X · Dec 7, 2025, 5:20 PM

[minor sapphire]

pls don't make him like colored mentos

[craggy vapor]

I bet my dinner that Harald ordered the guards to kill him because Loki and Jarul were late.

But then this doesn’t make sense. Who did this? It can’t be Loki.

[stone terrace]

it was harald

[minor sapphire]

yeah he did

[frigid gulch]

Harald did it

[minor sapphire]

he was not killed by that attack

i mean at this point he was immortal

[stone terrace]

yeah harald just regenerated after that attack

[frigid gulch]

He was stabbed pretty much right as they arrived

[ashen perch]

okay

[alpine trench]

would be cool if depp wasnt a piece of shit

[ashen perch]

Oda should get some internet

but anyways

[craggy vapor]

you mean Harald survived thw guards and Loki finished the job?

[shell scroll]

oda should make one for me

[ashen perch]

the art actually did look much cleaner in the viz harsh

[tranquil blade]

He dont got internet he doesnt know

[ashen perch]

so you were right, most of it was really TCB

[frigid gulch]

Cause Harald has regen

[ashen perch]

still some unfinished pages tho

but TCB made it worse

[cloud adder]

looking like yasopp lowkey highkey

[minor sapphire]

yeah i mean he was immortal at this point and there's now way they can kill him without haki

[frigid gulch]

Guards don’t have conquerors

[craggy vapor]

Imu easily could have removed regen from him

[ashen perch]

he's like the most chronically offline man of all time

[minor sapphire]

and why she want that when she can control him?

[ashen perch]

doesnt even like to look up his own name

[alpine trench]

told you bro

[craggy vapor]

because she gave up on him

[ashen perch]

yeah I overestimated TCB lol

[pine scaffold]

The amount of fanart I see of Jack Sparrow in OP is crazy

[dense rapids]

That’s not fanart 😭

[minor sapphire]

lol when ? she can fully control him to do whatever she wants

[pine scaffold]

no im just talking abt in general

not what u posted

[alpine trench]

when the chapter looks like you're reading blobs of ink, it makes the unfinished part of the chapter even uglier

[dense rapids]

Oh lol

[stone terrace]

jack sparrow is the most famous fictional pirate in the west and luffy in the east

only natural

[ashen perch]

Burn Scar has been speculated to be inspired by Jack Sparrow, could see it being true

Oda's clearly a fan lol

[pine scaffold]

Oda clearly likes the movies

yeah

[urban lodge]

Bluejam is not inspired by Jack Sparrow though

[ashen perch]

black ship, burn scar, he got it both

[dense rapids]

Davy Jones

[craggy vapor]

idk, he resisted. Maybe it’s annoying trying to control someone resisting. So Imu snapped and made him mortal again

[bleak plover]

That's some mad cleaning they did, what the heck?

[stone terrace]

go ask 100 people who jack sparrow is over davy jones

[ashen perch]

also this is just Erio

[ashen perch]

he doesnt look like Jack at all

[brittle basin]

Viz translation time

[latent hamlet]

davy jones may be the bad guy, but sparrow's the MC

[dense rapids]

I’m trolling

[hazy turret]

Oh wtf

[cloud adder]

language

[dense haven]

mfs talking about scan quality like it makes any difference to odas dog art

maybe for pre ts oda

[alpine trench]

you need to be muted from these channels

[pale trail]

bro is picture copy of ace

[brittle basin]

I've bought the recent volumes and the print quality is definitely better and shows Oda's art in a much better light. But you can definitely see the looser ink word despite this. It's definitely not the same, but it's not horrible either.

[vestal mural]

I mean. He is his son after all

[minor sapphire]

maybe ace's uncle orr something like that

[muted hedge]

i wonder why...

[minor sapphire]

ace's mom and roger are siblings i guess

[vestal mural]

lol

[minor sapphire]

aur its the other way around

[pale trail]

Chat trying to sass me, but I am unsassable

[tranquil blade]

Rouge's genes didnt even try all she gave him were freckles

[dense haven]

only the og remember crusty roger

[stone terrace]

i preferred pre rogerfied ace

[brittle basin]

did roger get uwuified?

[stone terrace]

they both kinda did

[tranquil blade]

Greasy Ace was peak

[minor sapphire]

new episode out?

[frozen aspen]

Curiously enough, Roger didn't look that much like ace in the oden flashback

[tranquil blade]

THis is why Alabasta is a top 5 arc

[muted hedge]

probably since he was significantly older then

[urban lodge]

And had a mustache

[frozen aspen]

its probably the moustache and eye rings. I wonder if those were a result of his disease

[hazy echo]

Tea this week was Luffy and Bonney punching Saturn

[brittle basin]

conq cancer

[minor sapphire]

and what about that emeth knot?

[frozen aspen]

because rayleigh at 40 amd 50 looked the same

[muted hedge]

except for the beard

[hazy echo]

Next week

[minor sapphire]

l pacing

[vestal mural]

Nah pacing is amazing

This ep at least

[hazy echo]

That was how it was in the manga

[brittle basin]

is cruise ship too modern of a word, even if it fits the literal definition? @vital heart

[dense haven]

I recently saw an info graphic saying jojo had the same amount of pages as one piece but 1/10th of the anime episodes

[alpine trench]

meek wouldnt know

[minor sapphire]

ohh i thought emeth's knot was in this week's epi

[dense haven]

any jojo fans can confirm

[hazy echo]

Most of JoJo pages is like art

[tranquil blade]

I mean tbf a jojo season comes out like once a blue moon but yeah it's probably true

[hazy echo]

It’s better to count it by word count

[urban lodge]

Yeah tbf one piece chapters are ridiculously dense

[dense haven]

a lot of words in one piece is useless yapping

[minor sapphire]

compariosn is a thief of joy guys

[minor sapphire]

i like that lol

[brittle basin]

congrats harsh! you have been promoted to "assistant to the regional manager to Meek" in his translation endeavors.

[hazy echo]

Also JoJo started way before One Piece did

[minor sapphire]

specially luffy's goofiness

[hazy echo]

One Piece started in like the middle of Part 5 specifically

[frozen aspen]

toei are hacks

[hazy echo]

So JoJo was already like 10 years old then

[tranquil blade]

I mean the idea of a cruise ship isn't exactly new

[brittle basin]

https://tenor.com/view/kevin-the-office-why-say-lot-word-few-word-do-trick-gif-16426767

[tranquil blade]

idk what the exact language for it would be tho say over 100 years ago

[brittle basin]

i am ignorant of maritime history

[vestal mural]

Yea I’m pretty sure that’s correct

[hazy echo]

But yea although page count is a thing it’s better to consider the content itself

[vestal mural]

At least it’s very close to being correct

[vestal mural]

True. But still, the op anime is still very stretched out

Until recently

[hazy echo]

Yea but the content between JoJo and OP are different

[tranquil blade]

I mean they've been doing cruises since the early 19th century (1800's) at least, idk when the term was coined I'm trying to look

[hazy echo]

OP chapters are usually dense enough that episodes can literally be a full on chapter

[vestal mural]

Yea that’s fair

[lofty fern]

Don't they have cruise ships in One Piece? That's what Nami was on in the anime right?

[hazy echo]

Like a lot goes in a single OP chapter

Compared to other manga

[muted hedge]

Noa was probably a cruise ship

[vestal mural]

Also the op anime fills in a lot of the gaps between panels. Jojo doesn’t do that as much

[brittle basin]

i have zero clue

[hasty sable]

Have to be out of your mind to go on a cruise in One Piece

[vestal mural]

Not when you’re a giant

[urban sluice]

when you're a giant nawh

[dense rapids]

Rocky Port

[bleak plover]

Cool, after almost 3 years of "What if..." and "Nothing ever happens", we're finally getting plot developments in chapter covers.

[cloud adder]

it is actually kinda crazy that harald suggests a cruise ship when new world is supposed to be insane in terms of weather and allat

[muted hedge]

that's probably more of a transport ship than anything

[dense haven]

the opening said we are on the cruise

[tranquil blade]

I guess sometime in the 18th century was when the term was first used

[lofty fern]

Episode 1 of the anime, yeah, she was on one.

[hazy echo]

Going on a cruise in OP doesn’t seem too bad in Paradise

[brittle basin]

fuck. you got me.

[bleak plover]

East Blue*

[cloud adder]

goated sheep

[lofty fern]

Oh yeah, they hijacked one

[hazy echo]

Hey you can take cruises in some places

Like Water 7 cruise would be lit

[dense haven]

what about tom cruise

[rich hornet]

What a dumb ship name

[vestal mural]

Until arlong and krieg start spawn farming

[bleak plover]

Krieg only dropped by after getting his ass handed back to him by Vista's victim.

And Arlong was vibing in his own lane. I think a cruise would work there.

[idle knoll]

unrelated but i need to know who that is in ur pfp

[bleak plover]

Paradise might be safer than the New World, but that doesn't make it properly safe.

[bleak plover]

Logan Paul.

[rich hornet]

Yeah not pleasure cruise safe

[dense haven]

the guy who plays dota and sang about it

[idle knoll]

[lofty fern]

I think she changed his hair a little bit too. Ace has slightly more wavy hair than Roger

[muted hedge]

does he?

Roger has pretty wavy hair too

[bleak plover]

Man, they were just a couple of bachelors...

[muted hedge]

the literal devil had to piss on their parade

[bleak plover]

Oh my god

[dense rapids]

The rocky port will undergo the same fate as the titanic

[urban lodge]

Love that artist

[bleak plover]

Oh my god they both knew

the doctor was already out there and folks were standing guard

it wasn't sudden ida was already dying man...

[cloud ember]

I can no longer in good faith tell people to start One Piece it’s officially too long, I cannot recommend it with a straight face anymore

[muted hedge]

the doctors whom Hajrudin brought

[bleak plover]

He kept up the good spirits to give her a happy sendoff but she was already going out man whatthe hell

[lofty fern]

It's subtle, but it's there

[fossil nimbus]

You don't want them to experience peak?

[tranquil blade]

Yeah last chapter the doctor already kinda gave off the idea that she didnt have long

[lofty fern]

Awwwwww 🥰

[bleak plover]

Yeah but they're aleady outside in wait and the doctor is there too

[vestal mural]

Guys I think they might be related

[tranquil blade]

Yeah I think they knew it was over

[stone terrace]

elbaf has some fraud doctors

[bleak plover]

He just stepped out for Haral to say his goodbyes, she wasn't gonna die, she was dying at that moment

[stone terrace]

chopper we gotta leave you behind

[bleak plover]

man oda what the heck

[tranquil blade]

I mean they've been isolated for centuries they likely are behind

[frozen aspen]

did loki actually kill all these guys in brewers village or did they just relocate/rebuilt the village after he was detained

[brittle basin]

Ida would still be alive if Hajrudin had found Kureha.
Conclusion?
Loki should strangle Hajrudin.

[tranquil blade]

Loki probably killed a lot of them

[frozen aspen]

deserved

[stone terrace]

killing all of them would be kinda bad

i dont think you can walk that back

so im guessing the latter lol

[tranquil blade]

I mean idk if they poisoned ida

[wet condor]

We know one fella did

[stone terrace]

it was one dude

[wet condor]

A bunch of the village seemed to endorse it too

[tranquil blade]

I dont think he was the only one in on it tho

[wet condor]

You can see some guys behind him cheesing

So Loki just said fuck it lol

[bleak plover]

I don't care about the rest of the chapter.

Man, that scene is hitting me hard.

[wet condor]

That one guy calling Loki to Brewer's village thinking that he was gonna be happy

[frozen aspen]

It is made quite obvious that the rest of the village was in on it. For all we know all these guys helped him with the poison and idea

[wet condor]

The ending is about equally as sorrowful

[urban lodge]

Wtf is in the water in that village

Why are they all evil

[stone terrace]

alcohol

[wet condor]

Yeah they got shit eating grins

[brittle basin]

guilty by association 😈

[cloud ember]

I’m just telling them to wait and watch Wit studio remake in a few months for condensed peak

[ashen perch]

Oda is saying that people who make alcohol are EVIL

[wet condor]

One of Loki's valid crash out

[tranquil blade]

Estrid's family is all just evil

[brittle basin]

goda with that 2d social commentary

[tranquil blade]

Is Zoro evil

[wraith mantle]

Prosecutors love this legal argument

[frozen aspen]

yes

[ashen perch]

yeah

[cloud ember]

I would recommend One Pace but that seems to confuse people more than it helps

[tranquil blade]

He is kinda evil admittedly

[brittle basin]

https://tenor.com/view/hate-crime-love-crime-hate-crime-saul-gif-25746020

[wet condor]

Not just them

Warriors like Loki too

[bleak plover]

Yeah, it takes a lot of guts to consciously ask people you trust to take your life.

[lofty fern]

I assume he wiped them off the map

[frozen aspen]

we see the village in ruins this chapter but idk if he killed all of them

[wet condor]

That's how shit was in medieval societies. Especially Iceland. I just got a few books I'm reading that talks about this. About Vikings and Viking Age Iceland

[wraith mantle]

Kinda funny that Loki champions elbaf toxic warrior culture that is probably the reason Ida died

[frozen aspen]

I mean it wasn't about warrior culture

just racism

bc she is an outsider

[wet condor]

Yeah. I think he was trying to kill himself. He was gonna impale himself on that sword but Imu was probably stopping him

[wraith mantle]

Isn’t it because she is not an ancient giant

[wet condor]

It is

You can call it ethnocentrism

[ashen perch]

no they thought ancient giants were the ideal candidate, but not necessarily the only one they'd allow

[lofty fern]

Is Loki the kind of person to spare them? Didn't he kill his uncle super suspiciously?

[wet condor]

Well, she's not an ancient giant and she is not Elbaph heritage

[muted hedge]

we've still not seen the elbaph elders

[ashen perch]

Ida's problem was that she was no from Elbaf, she was from the South Blue, from Samuwanai Island

[wraith mantle]

I think we will never see them lol

[lofty fern]

No, it's because she wasn't from Elbaph

[wraith mantle]

I see

[muted hedge]

i want to see them suffer in some way

[frozen aspen]

they made it adamantly clear that it's about her being an outsider. Sure they might have tried to match harald with estrid bc she had ancinet blood in her but even so this is nore of a eugenics thing than a warrior one

[lofty fern]

Both Hajrudin and Ida had to deal with that crap

[stone terrace]

hate to admit it but the elders had a point

[frozen aspen]

Warrior culture is not why Ida died

No

[wraith mantle]

I see, I stand corrected

[stone terrace]

if loki never came to be then rn elbaf would be a country of giant soldiers for the government

[frozen aspen]

Hajrudin is not nearly as stupid as his father

[tranquil blade]

You gotta go to hell

[ashen perch]

Hajrudin will be like Harald level eventually, give him some time

[lofty fern]

I think it's less the warrior, and more of the old ways

[wraith mantle]

Cook

[bleak plover]

I think he knows he can't kill himself, that's why he's summoned Jarul and his sons.

[tranquil blade]

In 100 years maybe

[ashen perch]

2

[wet condor]

Oh yeah for sure

[frozen aspen]

victim of conservatism, u hate to see it

[bleak plover]

Loki (and Hajrudin if he was there) would put him down, and Jarul would serve as witness.

[ashen perch]

3D2Y is all he needs really

[sage temple]

Hajrudin wasn't needed

[bleak plover]

Pretty sure that's why he's got a sword stuck on his head, it probably gave him amnesia.

[wraith mantle]

Good thing Loki was available

[sage temple]

Lmao

[lofty fern]

I don't think he knows his limits. He probably tried, but has Harald even seen regen in action?

[wraith mantle]

Hajrudin was not gonna get it done

[stone terrace]

Hajrudin might be dead if he went

[sage temple]

Imagine Loki was at sea and Hajrudin was the only one

😭

Elbaph would be finished

[bleak plover]

They're both his sons and they both will carry on, even if he wasn't strong enough, it was important for him to be there.

[wraith mantle]

Elbaf would be the New Navy now a

[brittle basin]

spoiled child energy

[sage temple]

Anyways good thing Loki was there to stop him

[ashen perch]

well no, because Shanks and Gaban would have handled it too

[sage temple]

Yeah. He just wasn't needed

[frozen aspen]

tbf Hajrudin wouldn't be able to do much. Not bc he is weak but even if could have confirmed that loki had a good reason to kill Harald who would have believed him? His friends? Sure. The judgemental elders? I kinda doubt it...

[sage temple]

Assuming they even make it there in time

[muted hedge]

if it came down to that, Hajrudin would've probably recieved quite the extensive haki bloom

[sage temple]

They couldn't make it there the second it happened, they didn't even see the whole thing

[ashen perch]

what time, they have all the time if Loki isnt there to kill him before they get there

it would've been fine I am sure

[sage temple]

No they don't. Had Loki not been there Harald would've escaped and more lives would've been lost

[ashen perch]

why would Harald escape lol

[lofty fern]

I don't know if that was it. I think he planned to kill himself and to name his sons king. Once he abdicates the throne, he has no power to do what Imu wanted.
Harald was not the type to burden his sons with killing him, and he wouldn't have had Jorul there. BUT Jorul would be needed as witness if he was going to bequeath the crown to them.

[wraith mantle]

That silent page is so good
Oda overuses the killing mom trope but damn he does execute it very well

[cloud ember]

Oda drew Jack Sparrow

[sage temple]

Because Imu is trying to get him to control the giants on his behalf??

Why would Harald just sit in the castle

[ashen perch]

yeah, from Elbaf...

[sage temple]

I'm saying escape the castle

Not escape Elbaph

[ashen perch]

oh eh, it doesnt make a difference then

[sage temple]

It would've put more lives at risk for sure

[muted hedge]

i don't think he would've caused much harm to the rest of the giants even if he got out of the castle

he would've just been forced to make them into an army of giants, strong as the Marines

[wraith mantle]

That was not Imu’s goal

Why would Imu make harald kill giants

[muted hedge]

yeah Imu wants the giants

[sage temple]

Imu's intent in controlling him was to make the giants an army for himself

[ashen perch]

would it? is Harald trying to kill everybody?

[sage temple]

Then how do you think 113 giant guards were killed in that castle

[ashen perch]

because they were fighting him

[muted hedge]

by Loki probably

[frozen aspen]

I wonder if Harald succeeded and then Imu took over and tried to kill loki

although probably not

[sage temple]

If that was the result of collateral damage, just imagine the same amount of damage but against the rest of the giants

[brittle basin]

Loki never got to say goodbye to Ida

[muted hedge]

stuck in prison

[sage temple]

Also Imu Haki radiates from the castle so Harald was probably taken over on a bigger extent

[muted hedge]

poor guy

[sage temple]

Even after this chapter

[ashen perch]

I am just saying, even if Loki wasnt there, I am sure Shanks and Gaban would have put a stop to Harald without much of an issue

[muted hedge]

definitely

[lofty fern]

Very much like MCU Loki in Thor 2

[sage temple]

Shanks and Gaban wouldn't have made it in time before lots of lives are at risk

[ashen perch]

sure, the guards still die yeah

[muted hedge]

i don't think we should underestimate the speed of Shanks

[wraith mantle]

Oda doesn’t even need words to make a great page. Also I just realized the bottom right is the village Loki destroyed

[tranquil blade]

without much of an issue?

[ashen perch]

its a 14 years younger Gaban

[muted hedge]

i mean we saw in the encounter against Kid that he was literally faster than anyone could've foresee

[tranquil blade]

It's still Harald tho, and now he's immortal

[sage temple]

Including more if Harald escapes the castle

[ashen perch]

this is basically prime Gaban

[sage temple]

No?

What

[ashen perch]

14 years ago

[lofty fern]

I think what Imu was doing, was giving Harald the power to do the diabolical contract and make his soldiers that way. Similar to what Dorry and Broggy are doing today.

[sage temple]

Nothing says that's his prime

He couldve been plenty rustty

[muted hedge]

i don't think he was

[sage temple]

I think he was

[ashen perch]

havent seen anybody out of their primes at the age of 64

[wraith mantle]

When did Roger die

[lofty fern]

Do we even know how old Scopper is?

[ashen perch]

he was sick

[tranquil blade]

Not really

[muted hedge]

Roger's sickness didn't boot his strength eitherway

Crocus made that much clear

[ashen perch]

I swear we know he is 79-80

[wraith mantle]

That’s not the point I am trying to make

[tranquil blade]

Like assumedly 70 something

[lofty fern]

At that point, he'd be in what Oda considers prime. 50s-60s

[hoary steppe]

Who

[ashen perch]

Gaban

[hoary steppe]

Ohh

[muted hedge]

he should be comparable to Rayleighs age

[hoary steppe]

Pretty much

[lofty fern]

I do wonder who locked the door at the castle? That's not something Loki would think of so maybe Jarul?

[frigid gulch]

He might be exactly 78

[wraith mantle]

Gaban wouldn’t be the main force in that duo anyways

Shanks is literally with him

[muted hedge]

the soldiers is my guess

[lofty fern]

Ray was older than most I think

[urban lodge]

Idk if 25 year old Shanks would be stronger

[lofty fern]

They were the ones who asked who locked it

[urban lodge]

Probably not

[frigid gulch]

Garp, Rayleigh, Chinjao are the same age

[wraith mantle]

Shanks is a haki genius

[muted hedge]

i mean there could've been 1 who did it amongst the soldiers

[wraith mantle]

He was probably hella strong

[lofty fern]

And obviously it wasn't locked because Loki just burst in

[muted hedge]

let's be real, it's Shanks

[hoary steppe]

Haki genius

Noone can beat the haki god joyboy

[ashen perch]

I am sure Shanks was extremely powerful there but Gaban was still stronger I think

[hoary steppe]

No way

[frigid gulch]

He would’ve only had a 1 billion beri bounty around that point

So eh

[muted hedge]

that's still a lot

[frigid gulch]

Unless it isn’t accurate

[ashen perch]

its just a 25 year old Shanks compared to what is basically prime Gaban

[frigid gulch]

Not nearly enough to beat Harald lol

[lofty fern]

Shanks was still young and building up so possible

[muted hedge]

i mean it could've been a bounty on pause considering that he enrolled to the God Knights at that time too

[sage temple]

We don't really know his age at all

[hoary steppe]

But age does decline ur power

[sage temple]

We know what he's older than

[hoary steppe]

Just how Rayleigh said

[sage temple]

Exactly

[ashen perch]

we know he is younger than Ripley, who is 80

[muted hedge]

i mean, if Shanks wasn't enough to beat Harald then Loki probably wasn't either

[sage temple]

That isn't prime gaban at all

[frigid gulch]

Yea ?

[sage temple]

79-14 is 65

[ashen perch]

so we can put him at 78-79

[lofty fern]

I don't think Shanks had a bounty yet. His family would have noticed

[frigid gulch]

Most people say that

[stone terrace]

It was definitely the person stealing the devil fruit

[urban lodge]

It's probably safe to say he's the same age as Rayleigh because of parallels

[ashen perch]

yeah I put him at 78

[wet condor]

Whatever age Rayleigh is

[muted hedge]

a lot of people say that Loki took care of Harald

[ashen perch]

so this is a 64 year old Gaban, why would he be already out of his prime lol

[muted hedge]

which I just think is a huge leap, even if Loki is a monster by all means

[frigid gulch]

The bounty I quoted is like from 13 years or so ago

[wet condor]

Sanji and Zoro same age, so you can use that as a guide for Rayleigh and Gaban

[frigid gulch]

After he leaves

[lofty fern]

Not really, Ray was older than Roger, Gaban could be younger than Roger, the same age, or older

[frigid gulch]

So it encompasses Shanks at that time

[hoary steppe]

Looking at the beard…. Yea hes older

[icy wolf]

did we ever get an explanation for why rogers treasure is called the one piece

[ashen perch]

yeah Shanks gets his bounty after this, after the destruction of Uta's Kingdom

[frigid gulch]

Here ?

[hoary steppe]

Bruh

[icy wolf]

why did the whole world mutually agree on calling it that i dont remember

[muted hedge]

yes

[hoary steppe]

Its not roger treasure

[icy wolf]

you get what im saying

[urban lodge]

Zoro is older than Luffy too

[frigid gulch]

Idk about that

[wet condor]

Penny is saying that it's a safe assumption. Not a guarantee lol

[ashen perch]

I didnt say he is older, I said he is still 64

[lofty fern]

Hard to say what his bounty even means now since his heritage probably also played a factor in it

[frigid gulch]

It’s really only Socrates

[icy wolf]

its joyboys treasure but roger calls it his

[wet condor]

And Zoro and Sanji are older than Luffy yeah. I was just gonna mention

By two years

I think if Roger was alive he'd be 77

I can't remember though

[urban lodge]

The thing is Oda can't help himself, he's obsessed with parallels, he's already drawn attention to how Ray and Gaban parallel Zoro and Sanji multiple times this arc

[hoary steppe]

Wait, is that his actual age

[tranquil blade]

I dont think it really matters if Gaban was in his prime, I dont think he can beat an immortal Harald at all

[urban lodge]

So them being the same age really isn't a stretch

[frigid gulch]

Sure but that’s kinda not the point. In fact if you’re saying that’s a factor, then it’s less likely that it reflects his fighting ability

[wet condor]

76 or 77

[muted hedge]

Gaban and Rayleigh were probably just the same age anyways

[frigid gulch]

The point is

[wet condor]

That's what I figure

[ashen perch]

Zoro and Sanji have the same ages, Ray is 78, Gaban is said to be younger than an 80 year old Ripley

[muted hedge]

maybe 1 or 2 year difference

[frigid gulch]

He’s not strong enough for Harald

[ashen perch]

do the math

[lofty fern]

That's what I thought you were getting at

[wraith mantle]

Loki’s special bounty will probably be because of what happens in the castle incident

[muted hedge]

i think it's because of his eyes

and possibly since he is the last remaining ancient giant

[wraith mantle]

Eyes, royal ancient giant blood, galeila control ability, DF?

[tranquil blade]

It's one thing to beat an immortal who is much weaker than you like Rocks vs Garling, it's another thing to try and beat an immortal who is arguably stronger than you

[lofty fern]

I think it's very easy, he's the heir of Elbaph. He's Imu's next target as a knight so you can't have him killed

[wraith mantle]

It doesn’t say alive only like Sanji’s did
It just says special bounty

[stone terrace]

We havent seen a permanent solution to killing holy knights yet

[vestal mural]

Eyes have never been a thing in op. This reminds me of when we first saw post ts zoro with his closed eye

[stone terrace]

So we'll have to see what loki did differently

[lofty fern]

Imu's not that nice. Special is probably just another way of saying that.

[muted hedge]

yeah sure but Lokis eyes are more distinct than anyone else

he even has a black sclera

[ashen perch]

well I wouldnt say that eyes havent been a thing in OP

[tranquil blade]

Loki's eyes are weird though, they arent genetic or anything, clearly they mean something

[wraith mantle]

Examples?

[vestal mural]

I meant eyes being related to power

[leaden rivet]

I feel like it’s likely the permanent solution to killing HK type immortals is just constantly beating them over and over with Acoc

[muted hedge]

Mihawk, Imu

[wraith mantle]

I hope you don’t mention Saturn

[ashen perch]

Mihawk

its his thing yknow, Hawk Eyes

[frigid gulch]

Perhaps lol

[tranquil blade]

Reminds me of another series

[frigid gulch]

Like an HP bar

[wet condor]

Attrition, yeah

[muted hedge]

Roger and Garp managed to beat the evil out of Xebec

[wet condor]

Many such cases

[vestal mural]

That’s a singular example that hasn’t amounted to anything

[muted hedge]

it literally left his body after they were done

[stone terrace]

Garling got beat up bad and was scratchless when he went to kill rocks

[deep chasm]

yea, probably just gonna be similar

[stone terrace]

So its like

You really need to finish the job

[leaden rivet]

The answer according to Gaban is coc anyway, so it’s along those lines

[ashen perch]

depends on what you think he did to Luffy when he saw that image of his future

[wet condor]

Not saying it's the only solution, but I'm definitely considering it

As being one

[frigid gulch]

Yea Rocks used a fairly big attack

[lofty fern]

I don't think that's a wise plan. It's not like they're going to just sit there and let you keep hitting them, even if that did work

[ashen perch]

also there are rumors about Hawk Eye having special eyes, I think they were mentioned in Baratie

[wet condor]

Just keep beating the shit out of them

[vestal mural]

In mf when luffy saw himself getting cut?

[sage temple]

Loki's are completely unique

[ashen perch]

yeah

[leaden rivet]

If your Acoc is potent enough like rocks and Rayleigh they’ll be incapacitated before they regen

And you can just beat them to death there

[frigid gulch]

If it was just “HP” I’d assume a big attack would take out a lot but.. I guess technically we didn’t see Garling for some time

[wet condor]

If the gap is wide enough yeah

[sage temple]

Yeah I wonder how crazy Loki's Conq was in the castle

[frigid gulch]

But he still recovered

[vestal mural]

That’s just luffy getting haki in the midst of battle like ray explained later. No diff than him using CoC there

[deep chasm]

well if thats the only way known to kill them thats the wisest plan youd have

[sage temple]

For him to kill a Holy Knight

Peak

[vestal mural]

I don’t remember that at all

[fossil nimbus]

No, didn't rayleigh say haki like future sight actually has to be trained?

[lofty fern]

Rocks had him pinned to the ground, it would be a perfect time to see if that worked, though it obviously didn't pan out that way

[frigid gulch]

It could be about piling it on at one point in time

[ashen perch]

ehh

[sage temple]

Yeah maybe

[ashen perch]

could be

[frigid gulch]

Or else they regenerate

[sage temple]

I wonder how Loki figured it out though

Will this be his Haki Bloom?

[muted hedge]

he probably just rampaged

[vestal mural]

All of it has to be trained iirc

[lofty fern]

So how do you get a knight to sit still long enough for you to hit them 1000 times and hope they don't kill you first?

[fossil nimbus]

lemme see if I can find the panel

[sage temple]

Maybe but plenty of people have rampaged and the HKs were scratch-less

[wet condor]

Just be way stronger than them lol

[frigid gulch]

Who says they have to sit still?

You btfo of them

[ashen perch]

but Oda emphasizes on his eyes there, thats the issue with that interpretation

[lofty fern]

You get tired, they don't. Especially if they're just sitting there

[ashen perch]

Mihawk stares at him, Luffy has that vision, and he immediately stands down

[wet condor]

like in a real fight, be way stronger than your opponent, pin them on the ground, and wail on them

[leaden rivet]

They get incapacitated when hit with strong enough coc

[vestal mural]

I’m assuming Loki just goes full berserk and uses a lot of haki due to the stress of just losing ida and now having to kill his father or smth along those lines

[leaden rivet]

As you can see Garling over there isn’t exactly raring to go

[deep chasm]

By being stronger than them. If shanks for example was fighting sommers, Im sure sommers would not be capable of touching him a single time until shanks yonko level stamina runs out. And if the regen works the way we're theorizing rn, sommers' regen would run out before shanks stamina

[sage temple]

I don't think Loki's eyes are that similar considering they've been hinted to have a prophecy centered around them

[deep chasm]

They do too. The whole point is they have a limit if youre using the right ability

[frigid gulch]

The point is.. if it works that way, for a brief point in time, rapid consecutive attacks is not an issue

[sage temple]

So Loki's eyes probably have some hidden importance imo

Especially since we see them grow in a panel

[frigid gulch]

Fighters don’t get tuckered out that quick either

[lofty fern]

You can only do something like that a few times before losing strength and stamina and then they would still get up. They always win battles of attrition

[fossil nimbus]

Look past the quality. This infers that anyone can use obs without even knowing, but only people who train it to the highest level can use future sight. So in MF, Mihawk used an ability to let luffy see the future, which is even further proven in the dialigue right after when Mihawk said "So you can keep a level head". Mihawk let luffy see his future to see how he would react to it.

[ashen perch]

well if they allow him to have some sort of special vision then they could be

[vestal mural]

I just take that as his murderous intent

[icy wolf]

loki is gonna control the galley la giants

[tranquil blade]

I think if you're way stronger than the immortal like Rocks was then it's not that hard to do, but my point is that it's not gonna be that easy for Gaban or Shanks or Loki to do this to Harald

[ashen perch]

like he is able to see through his bandages, thats already very special

[lofty fern]

Have yet to see that, but lets not get into that argument again

[deep chasm]

Not really. Akainu and aokiji fought an intense battle vs their equal for 10 days. If youre way faster and stornger than someone, you can beat the fuck out of them hundreds of times

[wet condor]

We're saying that as you continously beat them, their healing becomes less effective

[muted hedge]

that's probably just observation, no?

[frigid gulch]

I think Youre underestimating how long they can go

[ashen perch]

you cant read a newspaper with Observation

[frigid gulch]

Especially if the gap is huge

[sage temple]

This could be Voice of All Things

[muted hedge]

Fujitora probably can

[deep chasm]

Well thats what we're currently talking about. Theres no need to debate that, we're currently discussing if it were true, how would you kill a holy knight

[ashen perch]

you only see silhouettes in observation

[wet condor]

Which may not be true, but I mean there's nothing saying this can't happen either lol

[brittle basin]

wait. hold on. show the panel. mihawk showed Luffy the future? did I forget something?

[icy wolf]

he deadass has the six eyes

[distant vine]

Loki is just seeing through them

[icy wolf]

its just gojo

[distant vine]

Thats all

[tranquil blade]

!os

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[wraith mantle]

He was able to tell what color shamrocks hair was

Fujitora couldn’t tell what color luffy’s eyes were lol

[icy wolf]

i dont think its observation haki either

[ashen perch]

we saw it with what Fujitora could see for example

[distant vine]

Nothing special

[sage temple]

Doesn't this depend how good his OBS is

[urban lodge]

Lmao Socrates there's nothing wrong with Loki being able to see, it's not a Loki downscale

[ashen perch]

Fujitora's observation is excellent lol

[muted hedge]

i think it's just an expertise in observation haki

[sage temple]

Maybe that or maybe he is using a polwer to be aware of his surroundings

[lofty fern]

They aren't regenrating each time. In that, it means everything gets renewed each time. We saw from Egghead that they don't get tired or feel tired or run out of regen time.

[frigid gulch]

Loki was seeing with obs as a kid

[sage temple]

I don't remember any time where someone just sees through a direct blindfold on their eyes

[frigid gulch]

Upscale

[sage temple]

I doubt this is the case where you can assume Loki does

[wraith mantle]

Oda gonna sbs Loki seeing through blindfold

[sage temple]

I mean assumptions are your choice

[deep chasm]

Say you have to hit the holy knight with attacks for hours.

If akainu can shoot out magma vs his equal for 10 days, why cant he shoot out magma consistently vs someone much weaker and slower than him for a few hours?

[fossil nimbus]

That's what I believed happened in MF, because rayleigh said unlike normal observation, only a few of the strongest who have trained their haki can use future sight. So it's impossible that luffy himself used future sight

[trim lily]

if loki cant see through it how could he read the newspaper

[lofty fern]

I think people are under estimating the HK, but I've always felt that

[sage temple]

Haki/VoAT

[vestal mural]

Ehh. I see this more as ray saying luffy already has the innate ability to do so. Using consistently requires training yea, but a single instance is different. Mihawks line for me is more about luffy being able to stay calm so that he can use observation. Because im pretty sure if you lose your cool you can’t use it as effectively if at all

[leaden rivet]

Not only does it briefly incapacitate them but it hurts a ton also

[trim lily]

i dont think observation is supposed to let you read text on a paper too

[lofty fern]

And we know Oda's not going to do that on panel

[deep chasm]

But we're not talking about that. We're talking under the assumption that hitting them enough with acoc can eventually kill them

[sage temple]

I think it was Haki or VoAT

Or maybe an eye power

[deep chasm]

what does this have to do with what Im saying. Youre mixing up two different conversation

[sage temple]

Because him being able to see seems kinda illogical

Like why not just wear glasses

[deep chasm]

we're not debating whether or not ACoC can kill holy knights rn

[stone terrace]

If you want to upscale lokis observation haki this isnt the way

[wraith mantle]

We saw gunko eat through the bandages

[trim lily]

well the blindfold was meant to be a punishment

[stone terrace]

Just say that he was able to recognize that ida died

[brittle basin]

oh i guess I read this as Luffy remembering how powerful he was against Zoro and worried that this very thing would happen to him

[sage temple]

I'm not saying it has to be Observation Haki but I guess

[wet condor]

Was just about to say lol

[distant vine]

They dont make glasses on Elbaph

[wet condor]

He looks out the window for a second

[muted hedge]

the blindfold wasn't a punishment

[distant vine]

[deep chasm]

We're debating under the assumption that you can kill a holy knight with acoc after enough hits. In which case you think thats somehow still not a viable way to beat a hol yknight

[lofty fern]

Law, can you stay to one topic please. I'm talking about two different things with two different people and you keep interjecting and thus mixing things up

[muted hedge]

it was because of Lokis eye disease or whatever they told Harald

[sage temple]

Do we see her take a bite through the bandages or do we just see her chewing leaving inconclusivity on if she just removed the bandages off-screen

[fossil nimbus]

Oda showing Mihawk's eyes right before that make me believe Mihawk made luffy see the future instead

[deep chasm]

WHat are you talking about. Youre the only one mixing up the topic 😭

[wraith mantle]

He felt her spiritual pressure disappear

[digital spear]

dead chat

[trim lily]

same thing

[sage temple]

Try again

[muted hedge]

it still bugs me that Harald never took a look himself

[lofty fern]

How about, let's drop it Laww. Cause we're going to get nowhere

[deep chasm]

[urban lodge]

Maybe they imported those and Biblo enlarged them

[sage temple]

Don't worry you're just proving your dominance here

[muted hedge]

can Biblo shrink things?

[steel stirrup]

Holy shit that episode made me cry

[steel stirrup]

I dont think so

[sage temple]

We haven't seen that

[frigid gulch]

I’m not really underestimating them here since I was talking about someone with a sizeable gap in strength

[muted hedge]

damn it

[lofty fern]

It's probably like Killer or Ulti

[sage temple]

He has his mouth open

Oh and also look how he leaves bandages away from his eyes

[haughty saddle]

Also Manga is real quiet after the anime has its best quality episode ever

[sage temple]

So he can SEE

[brittle basin]

hm. that is a good point. Hold on, let me get a second opinion. I'm not saying you're wrong, maybe I'm just overthinking it. @grand flower What are your thoughts about this conversation/panel about Mihawk utilizing his own future sight to show Luffy his immediate future should he have collided with Mihawk in that moment at MF? Was it that, or Luffy fearing what would happen after he saw what he did to Zoro in the past?

[lofty fern]

I know when to drop a topic when I talk to some people. There's no point when we just keep going in circles

[frigid gulch]

And even still, the damage can be such that it momentarily leaves them open. That’s more so where you would pile it on rather than just staring at them in this hypothetical

[sage temple]

Oh you mean Killer with the face mask

[lofty fern]

I mean when his mask is on?

[trim lily]

oh right this episode was the final group of people spread

[wraith mantle]

No

[frigid gulch]

Haki bomb soon

[haughty saddle]

Nah that’s next episode

[sage temple]

Idk they can't really do much through their masks physically

[trim lily]

oh ok

[deep chasm]

There was no circle but sure you are free not continue with that discussion

[fossil nimbus]

alright, no problem

[trim lily]

what the hell was this episode then

[sage temple]

Have they eaten through their masks yet

[haughty saddle]

This episode was Saturn’s defeat by Bonney and Luffy

[trim lily]

ah

i thought those were the same chap

[haughty saddle]

It was all the way through, THE most high quality episode

[frigid gulch]

Killer ate noodles through his mask I believe

[sage temple]

There are holes though aren't there?

[lofty fern]

We've seen him eat with his mask on, I'm just saying Oda likes to do that

[frigid gulch]

Though that’s different

[digital spear]

They were

[frigid gulch]

Ye

[vestal mural]

Tbf it was through the holes

[sage temple]

Coulda done smth like that

Wait he literally does do that

[brittle basin]

but if you're right, that's a wild ass power to have and also confirmed Mihawk is the only one who has it right?

[frigid gulch]

Do you think Loki had obs since birth or something ?