also-manga

[unique lagoon]

now thats a good point

[iron oriole]

I just don't see how Abyssal makes it go from this to a whole ass sleeve tattoo type deal

[lofty fern]

With that last name?

[thin quest]

Nusjuro is so obviously meant to be a fake name

[indigo yacht]

For Akainu and Fujitora they probably have wano ancestry similar to how in the east blue how there’s the Shimotsukis there as people moved from Wano to elsewhere

[fluid cedar]

deep deep goes deeper

[thin quest]

Ethan Baron is not his real last name lmao

[lofty fern]

That's the only part of his name that's remotely japanese

[unique lagoon]

where are the other shots of this someone find it

[urban lodge]

Maybe his real family name is the V.

[unique lagoon]

[dense haven]

its ganhdi

[lofty fern]

Tell that to his family line

[thin quest]

-Juro suffixes have been used in OP for fake names

[wraith mantle]

Is atlas stronger than Ethan?

[lofty fern]

Japanese names starting with V?

[thin quest]

please pay attention more

it's literally all there

[lofty fern]

So, the only part of his name that is Japanese is fake...so what part of him is related to Wano then?

[dense haven]

whatever his name is gandhi is zoros final fight

[thin quest]

okay we're just being dense on purpose

[unique lagoon]

wait i dont think we had a clear shot of sommers arm band

[twin knoll]

vivi

[fluid cedar]

His sword thats all

[golden valley]

If nusjuro and fuji are from wano
Wano finally becomes peak

[lofty fern]

That's not japanese

[dense haven]

we don't have a clear shot of sommers upper arm either

[wraith mantle]

Is anyone here actually interested in Zoro vs mihawk fight?

[lofty fern]

We already know where Fuji is from

[golden valley]

Yes

[urban lodge]

Yes???

[dense haven]

so far all marks are on the upper arm

[twin knoll]

ohh okeey 😭

[twin knoll]

me

[long basin]

Vegapunkuh in katakana, trust

[wraith mantle]

I see

[golden valley]

Was it stated where he was born

[twin knoll]

agree

[remote maple]

yeah but im not gonna be excited for something that won't happen for like 10 years

[dense haven]

that's mihawk fans entire will to live bro

[lofty fern]

We do, he has the usual

[golden valley]

Fuji lineage can be from wano

[unique lagoon]

where is it

[wraith mantle]

Mihawk fans are zoro fans in disguise

[indigo yacht]

Fuji is from Aoi kingdom

[lofty fern]

SBS I think

[fluid cedar]

Zoro barely gets past malnourished killer he can’t beat mihawk

[unique lagoon]

oda doing a good job hiding the arm bands

[fast pagoda]

I honestly think it's gonna be a oneshot

Like a single draw duel

[dense haven]

the slander will be planetary level

[thin quest]

you can easily see Killingham's in the panel he goes Centaur mode

[urban lodge]

Well maybe, if Zoro gets his ass kicked for 99% of the fight, that's usually how Zoro fights go

[wraith mantle]

With oda is rushing things

I can see it

[unique lagoon]

yes but we looking for sommers

[golden valley]

Zoro is getting a Black Blade jn his fight against Mihawk

[thin quest]

[golden valley]

What are we doing

Its not gonna be a oneshot

[wraith mantle]

It’s gonna be the most boring fight in the show

[golden valley]

No it wont

[unique lagoon]

sp what people think of this version

[indigo yacht]

That’s just a random tattoo I fear

[wraith mantle]

Two swordsmen pulling haki asspulls

[urban lodge]

I'm 100% sure Sommers just has a regular tattoo because he just wanted to look cool

[dense haven]

zoro vs mihawk will feed 2 families

[lofty fern]

It's the same one?

[thin quest]

I could care less about Mihawk v Zoro 2

[unique lagoon]

is it?

[urban lodge]

It's probably the same but drawn poorly

[unique lagoon]

are you going to tell me its another oda error

[lofty fern]

I think so too. I think he had a tattoo already before he became a knight and the mark just became part of it

[twin knoll]

uhm

[thin quest]

Zoro's true final battle is Nusjuro anyway

[twin knoll]

make sense thou

[tranquil blade]

Yeah I am

[unique lagoon]

[dense haven]

oda would never make mistake

[lofty fern]

It's the same, just with less definition

[unique lagoon]

what does that even mean

[thin quest]

I'm honestly of the opinion that Zoro and Mihawk won't clash again

[twin knoll]

indeed

[lofty fern]

What do you mean? Oda's not going to make everything crisp lol

[golden valley]

Unfortunately zoro vs nusjuro will just be zoro flexing on him unless oda boosts all the Gorosei

[fast pagoda]

Genuinely what do you think would happen instead

[fast pagoda]

Oda has to boost the Gorosei

[thin quest]

I think Mihawk won't be interested

[wraith mantle]

Someone said that the symbolic pirate Jolly Roger is originally an imu covenant tattoo that joyboy modified, similar to how nami and fisher tiger modified their tattoos after being freed from Arlong/CDs

[fast pagoda]

Only explanation for them being such terrible bums in Egghead

[unique lagoon]

would be really hilarious if those arm bands are actually different

[golden valley]

How did you remotely believe this

[fast pagoda]

Why tf would he not be interested in Zoro. The guy who gave him faith in swordsmanship again??? The guy he trained????

[fluid cedar]

Mihawk pulls out a black blade butter knife and one shots him again

[unique lagoon]

cuz so far we have only seen killingham with clear shot iirc

[golden valley]

Some opinions on Zoro vs Mihawk are left better unstated

[dense haven]

ethan has better feats than mihawk yet he's called a bum

[golden valley]

Because i dont think we’re reading the same manga atp

[indigo yacht]

Don’t come back when Zoro vs Mihawk 2 is the best fight of the series

Don’t come back when Zoro vs Mihawk 2 has great choreography and lasts multiple chapters

Don’t come back when Mihawk vs Zoro 2 gets animated

Stay on that side

[urban lodge]

Cutting the iceberg is still more impressive I'm afraid

[fast pagoda]

Mihawk literally had a whole speech telling Zoro to challenge him again

[wraith mantle]

Zoro vs mihawk sounds like an ass fight
I hope Oda wraps it up in 2 chapters

[fast pagoda]

Mihawk didn't go extreme diff with Vice Admiral Doll and Sea Train victims

[urban lodge]

The thing is that was a super casual slash and it was incredibly far away

[golden valley]

Zoro vs Mihawk is 100x more likely than Zoro vs Nusjuro.

[indigo yacht]

Mihawk upscale

[dense haven]

iceberg hunter

[urban lodge]

And that's bigger than an island, while Nusjuro just cut part of an island

[fast pagoda]

I think both are pretty inevitable lol

[lofty fern]

Why would Sommers be different? He has nothing about him that is different from any other knight. Also his symbol actually is pushing my theory that the difference between Shallows and Depths, is the addition of a trident. Imu's favored weapon of choice. And also the symbol for the sea

[wet condor]

Well, getting your people almost enslaved is a blemish on any kings record — especially since the only reason they're not going to be enslaved is due to a matter of happenstance. So I'm going to refrain from using "great" to describe him lol. I wouldn't feel particularly comfortable having him lead my nation

[wraith mantle]

Until mihawk gets an actual personality or lore, I don’t think anyone is excited for another sword fight

[thin quest]

I guess my perspective is that, given what's left in the story, where does Zoro v Mihawk fit narratively? I don't think there will be a direct confrontation between Cross Guild and the SHs

[wraith mantle]

Probably a Davy back fight between straw hats and cross guild over the one piece

[golden valley]

Ok, but Zoro vs Mihawk has far more narrative weight. If you don’t have Mihawk vs Zoro happening but Zoro vs Nusjuro is, then there’s no way that we’ve read the same series

[fast pagoda]

People trying to make excuses for the Gorosei performance in Egghead is funny

[dense haven]

I mean it never has any narrative significance to begin with so oda can just make some bs up

[fast pagoda]

They were absolute dogshit

[thin quest]

and do we reduce their rematch to a game?

[charred flower]

It's for those who care about powerscaling, Mihawk is a ladder and Zoros objective is to climb over it. Lame AF if you ask me

[fast pagoda]

The Holy Knights had a way better performance in Elbaph

[fast pagoda]

I agree but I think both will probably happen lol

[wraith mantle]

Their fight always had zero relevance to the overarching lore anyways

[golden valley]

The final war? The race to the One Piece? This isn’t the issue that you think it is, much less a reason to say it isn’t happening

[thin quest]

yeah I could care less about any of that, Vista already handled that bum anyway

[charred flower]

Who?

[wet condor]

We're entering our daily Mihawk discussion?

[thin quest]

Vista is the true GOAT

[fast pagoda]

Mihawk is gonna clash with Zoro but Vista will suddenly appear and oneshot Mihawk

[lofty fern]

I think if you gave it time, they would have been enslaved either way. And going Rocks' way would have probably caused it to happen faster. What Harald did could have had drastic consequences yes, but I can't let that color and wipe away everything he accomplished despite that. I refuse to remember a person for their one mistake and not their entire body of work, especially since he died correcting that mistake

[thin quest]

[wet condor]

He actually didn't see them fight

[thin quest]

this is the way

[fast pagoda]

And reveal himself as the true WSS

[wraith mantle]

Mihawk vs Zoro is as relevant as nami drawing a map of the whole world

Probably something we see in an epilogue

[primal needle]

when are next leaks

[fast pagoda]

and fights Zoro instead

[urban lodge]

This is crazy

[golden valley]

Just quit the manga atp

[dense haven]

at least nami maps are useful to other people

[thin quest]

it just feels ham fisted, it doesn't add anything to the end of the story for me I guess

[urban lodge]

It's not something that can be done passively like drawing maps

[lofty fern]

That was because of plot, Oda wanted to have his cake and eat it too, and so even though the WG basically won there, people don't look at them favorably, because people only seems to judge who wins punch fights

[wraith mantle]

My nigga no one is reading the manga for Zoro vs mihawk 😭

[urban lodge]

Oda doesn't need to show that for us to know that Nami is still doing it

[thin quest]

he actually thinks I care about power scaling

[golden valley]

So what? 😭

[dense haven]

oda doesn't need to show zoro vs mihawk either

[urban lodge]

It's the dream of one of our main characters

It's not about power scaling

[lofty fern]

About a week from this coming monday

[thin quest]

Zoro's whole existence is power scaling

[golden valley]

Who cares what the reader thinks, Oda’s gonna do it because of Zoro

[wraith mantle]

What’s jimbeis dream

[thin quest]

he's very uninteresting

[olive sigil]

Fight racism

[tranquil blade]

The people who spend all their time complaining about powerscaling are just as low as the powerscalers they make fun of

[olive sigil]

Which is a big focus of the story

[wraith mantle]

You said I should quit one piece because I don’t care about Zoro vs mihawk

[fast pagoda]

They didnt really win anything meaningful

[wraith mantle]

Yeah Jimbei goal is valid
It will not be shown in the epilogue

[olive sigil]

The issue isn’t powerscaling, it’s taking it too seriously

[fast pagoda]

They got the mother flame, which they already had access too, and York

[golden valley]

No, I said that cuz you think Mihawk vs Zoro is an epilogue fight 💤

[charred flower]

I really don't like how zoro has been handled PT and hopefully we see idk, that mihawk was a HK too or someone who tried to stop Shanks and that's why they dueled, or maybe he fought Shamrock instead of Shanks... but plz oda give us something... if not Zoro will be the lamest character in the crew (considering lore and relevance to the plot besides fighting)

[golden valley]

Which is a reading issue

[tranquil blade]

Sure, I can agree with that

[wraith mantle]

lol

[lofty fern]

They won a ton that was meaningful, unless you mean clout in terms of who punched who the hardest lol

[thin quest]

you're cooking

[wraith mantle]

I can skip Zoro vs mihawk chapters and I would still be able to enjoy the rest of the story

[golden valley]

Good for you

[wraith mantle]

Thanks

[charred flower]

I mean, if Zoro fights mihawk before.. idk, Venus or other guy who's a swordsman it would mean he was never the WSS

[iron oriole]

I couldn't skip a single chapter

[twin knoll]

so am i

[golden valley]

Nusjuro will probably just get amped

[wet condor]

If teams up with Rocks they're losing anyways because they don't have all the pieces. But no one is saying he necessarily had to team-up with Rocks either. It's fine if you want to prioritize the good stuff that he did, I'm just going to weigh the bad things he did more heavily. They're more important to me than they are to you

[olive sigil]

It will be shown as it evolves through the story. There’s already some good stuff going around. Little steps that go towards world piece. The long limbs have been at war for centuries and now 2 of them share a crew on the grand fleet. That’s the kind of stuff that unites people

[thin quest]

I just think it's really uninteresting that Zoro's endgame is a rematch of something that's already happened

[golden valley]

Imu buffing the Gorosei is likely

[urban lodge]

That's valid on a personal level, but it would genuinely be terrible writing to put the dream of one of our main characters that was established almost 30 years ago as an afterthought in the epilogue

[thin quest]

and it's why I think Nusjuro is the real WSS

[dense haven]

what about the other dreams

[urban lodge]

Same goes for them

[void knot]

Then you didnt miss the point.

[wraith mantle]

We also need to see nami drawing a map of the whole world then

[urban lodge]

Except like Jimbei which can literally only be achieved in the epilogue

[hazy turret]

Who hurt you

[wraith mantle]

I want her to draw every single map

[tranquil blade]

Whether you care about Zoro vs Mihawk or not the least you could do is recognize that it is necessary to conclude Zoro's character

[urban lodge]

That's such a dumb comparison

[cloud adder]

What is jinbe's dream?

[iron oriole]

!wss

[tropic nova]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/486983010025996299/929248116518051900/title.png

[urban lodge]

Fishman equality

[olive sigil]

The achievement can only happen then but the construction of the dream has been around since Arlong park

[charred flower]

True, and that's why I want Mihawk defeated by another swordsman or something that gives zoro story a bit of an umph... the grim reaper stuff... shuryu? Something plz, he was one of my favorite before the TS

[wet condor]

Something like that yeah

[thin quest]

my real GOAT

[void knot]

Fishman equality on the surface more or less.

[wraith mantle]

That’s her dream, and she is as main a character as Zoro no?

[cloud adder]

Oooh makes sense

[tranquil blade]

For fishmen to not be discriminated against and be able to coexist with humans

[fast pagoda]

(+ They recovered the mother flame
(+ Recovered CP0 agents and Seraphim
(- Let Luffy escape
(- Saturn functionally got defeated by Luffy and Bonney
(- Failed to defeat or neutralize anyone on the island
(- Failed to stop the transmission
(- Got sent back by the haki knot and dawn balloon
(- Nusjuro got held back by Atlas somehow
(- Didnt successfully destroy Egghead or kill the satellites, and Stella can be cloned

[thin quest]

COOK

[cloud adder]

jingoat

[urban lodge]

Yes, but her dream is done gradually and is a passive thing instead of someone who she has to physically defeat

[wraith mantle]

But because nami is a woman no one cares about her goal smh

[indigo yacht]

Some of you guys are saying nonsense

[urban lodge]

We really don't need to see her drawing maps to know that she is still doing it

[thin quest]

I think Nami and Sanji have the most interesting dreams

[urban lodge]

It's obvious

[hazy turret]

https://tenor.com/view/akkubaba007-jerry-laugh-akku-fav-gif-gif-16150872697915744919

[cloud adder]

Mihawk having basically no major fights in current time and then his first major swordsman fight he loses?? 😭 that would NOT be good for mihawk's char man

[wet condor]

I like Zoro's and Luffy's the most probably. I like Usopp's too actually even if I don't care for him much as a character lol

[olive sigil]

For me it’s Robin and Chopper

[wet condor]

I just noticed there's a duck next to my icon

[olive sigil]

And Luffy of course

[dense haven]

chopper has the most interesting dream because there is no way he's gonna achieve that without some huge bs

[wet condor]

Or pfp

How did that happen lol

[hazy turret]

Chopper already achieved his dream

[thin quest]

oh how could I forget my queen, I should delete my pfp 🥀

[fast pagoda]

Chopper has the most interesting dream yeah

[charred flower]

Robin, Jinbe, Nami and Sanji are my goats (besides Luffy ofc) since their dreams are interlocked with the main story line and Oda has been pushing for their goals since day 1

[cloud adder]

Chopper just needs to curable an "incurable" illness

[leaden rivet]

Choppers dream just isn’t happening

[olive sigil]

Your whole account

[fallen meteor]

discord wraped

[olive sigil]

You’re cooked

[hazy turret]

He’s been curing every disease he’s come across, and in 90 mins max

[wraith mantle]

Chopper ain’t ever achieving his dream

Bro didn’t cure smiles

[indigo yacht]

The discord wrapped

[golden valley]

Choppers dream is happening lol

[leaden rivet]

Choppers dream isn’t even possible

[thin quest]

[urban lodge]

The only cure to every disease is death, Chopper villain arc

[olive sigil]

He did

[cloud adder]

Chopper is basically already the fix-all medicine

[leaden rivet]

There’s no way he can cure every disease in his lifetime that’s ridiculous

[olive sigil]

What’s the best medicine?

[wraith mantle]

Did he actually?

[charred flower]

Who cares about Mihawk, I'm talking about zoro, Mihawk is only relevant to the plot because of Zoro

[golden valley]

With Vegapunk resources and that ancient energy, he will

[wraith mantle]

[olive sigil]

What’s the best medicine?

[thin quest]

yup this is it,

[void knot]

Imagine downscaling a central Protagonist's dream simply because you think it doesn’t matter.

[olive sigil]

Laughter

[lofty fern]

Every goal they had for coming to that island, they succeeded in. They got the mother flame, they have York, they destroyed the snail. They have all the tech that VP made on the island. They killed VP. They have a VP that will now make anything they want.
The only thing they didn't accomplish was stopping most of the transmission.
None of those fighting feats matter as goals so not sure why you listed them. Luffy was a late add-on but he was never an actual goal from the beginning

[wraith mantle]

Laughter

[olive sigil]

[cloud adder]

But Zoro cares about Mihawk 💔

[leaden rivet]

Which protagonist?

[wet condor]

Conceptually I like Zoro's a lot but it's also hard to care about too lol

Just given how it's executed

[void knot]

A Straw Hat. They are the central protagonists

[golden valley]

Zoro

[leaden rivet]

Oh thought you were referring to one in particular

[golden valley]

The context is Zoro vs Mihawk

[leaden rivet]

Cause yeah most of their dreams don’t matter

[wraith mantle]

Zoro’s goal gave us a cool moment when he asked mihawk to train him

Real humble king

[cloud adder]

Robin's dream 🔥

[wet condor]

I mean that's normal lol

[thin quest]

In a vacuum, Zoro's dream is the most inline with a Shonen and it should be cool but it's literally just a rematch from 1000+ chapters ago now

[void knot]

Happy that some of you dont write the story then. Cause it would be utterly meaningless.

[thin quest]

There's my main gripe

[golden valley]

Jinbei has the most…insane dream i think

[charred flower]

And that's why giving the goal a shake, would make Zoro move/change idk something instead of sleep/booze/one liner/off panel fight so Toei can fill in /sleep again

[urban lodge]

It's definitely Chopper

[wraith mantle]

It would be cool if sword fights in one piece weren’t utter dog shit

[golden valley]

Chopper dream is gonna happen

[leaden rivet]

Their dreams are mostly meaningless and aren’t progressing and mostly irrelevant

[primal needle]

isnt his dream js peace for fishman n humans

[urban lodge]

They're all gonna happen

[primal needle]

not that crazy

[unique lagoon]

chopper cant even fix smile

[wet condor]

And even though it's a big part of his character, it really doesn't feel particularly well-developed

[urban lodge]

But Chopper's is the most absurd

[leaden rivet]

I would say the most relevant ones would be like ofc luffy zoro and robin

[cloud adder]

Let him sleep he takes the night shift 🙏

[golden valley]

Pretty sure its more than that

[leaden rivet]

Nami doesn’t really progress hers and chopper does sometimes but he’s never achieving his dream

[wet condor]

Chopper and Jimbei's are like two that are the closest to being impossible lol

[primal needle]

what is it than

[hazy turret]

One piece fans don’t even care about central story plot lines anymore, what is happening? What do you mean zoro vs mihawk doesn’t matter

[wraith mantle]

The only person who’s guaranteed to achieve their goals onscreen are Franky Robin and Brook

[thin quest]

yeah it's literally just "I will swing my sword harder next time"

[wraith mantle]

And luffy ig

[leaden rivet]

Zoro’s dream is the second most relevant

[weak wedge]

Yep

[golden valley]

Chopper dream is gonna happen, no clue why we think it isn’t?

[primal needle]

who said this shit lmao

[golden valley]

The dream isn’t out of the realm of One Piece

[weak wedge]

It's going to

[thin quest]

Sanji too when the Redline crumbles apart

[leaden rivet]

Because it’s literally impossible

[fast pagoda]

Even if they achieved their original goals, the transmission is what obviously became their main goal once it started and they still failed. Also I dont care about powerscaling but them constantly getting beaten around the island makes them not very intimidating

[golden valley]

No its not

[cloud adder]

Nami progresses her dream with every arc Oda just doesnt bother showing a scene of Nami mapping each time

[wraith mantle]

That’s a popular theory

[weak wedge]

Yep

[leaden rivet]

He genuinely would need to create a drug that just fixes everything ever

[unique lagoon]

i dont think we will see namis dream
she needs to chart every single island ye?

[leaden rivet]

That’s the only way it could work

[golden valley]

Right, with resources

[unique lagoon]

then again the island sank now so that makes it easier for nami

[leaden rivet]

But that’s so dumb and lazy

[thin quest]

It's just not interesting dawg

[twin knoll]

harald

[cloud adder]

Chopper opens an elite doctor school

[golden valley]

Vegapunk dream already makes Chopper dream possible

[wet condor]

Chopper's is feasible I guess but it'll kind of feel like rushed and a little bs like @dense haven was saying lol

[wraith mantle]

This would age poorly when he got domi’d

[golden valley]

And we know Vegapunk dream is happening

Vegapunk dream is planetary scale resources

[charred flower]

*they think they killed VP, but they let the rest escape and didn't kill Nika, they had all of those things before the Egghead incident (since VP worked for them) and with Luffys intervention they "lost" a lot of control, that's why Saturn was killed in the end too

[cloud adder]

Chopper is not creating a cure all... it was already established that doctors act as the cure-alls cmon guys

[thin quest]

it's the author's job to make us care about plot points and Zoro's development has been total ass post time skip

[dense haven]

chopper kills everyone because you can't be sick if ur dead

[wraith mantle]

Isn’t vegapunks dream just the internet lol

[golden valley]

No

[thin quest]

no nuclear fusion

[patent sapphire]

Just give everyone a bag of ice is chopper stupid

[inner agate]

because hes fucking useless

[leaden rivet]

If chopper doesn’t create a cure all then he’s not succeeding in his dream

[unique lagoon]

oda giving SH dreams that just gets timeskipped then magically happens

[wet condor]

I hope it's actually decently lengthy

[urban lodge]

Infinite energy and free widely available information for everyone

[void knot]

It baffles me. I cant even tell if its just trolling or if some people have really forgotten what One Piece is about.

[inner agate]

but at least chopper is more likely to achieve his dream than tashigi...

[pulsar path]

Ehhh both dressrossa and wano had huge Zoro moments and that always been Zoro character development ( cutting steel) he's straight battle oriented

[weak wedge]

Yep

[wraith mantle]

Oh yeah the energy thing too

[cloud adder]

Remember when law sliced tashigi's blade

[urban lodge]

Poor Tashigi

[cloud adder]

Sad days

[unique lagoon]

im telling you gaban will just give nami a collection of maps so she makes a world map easier

[fast pagoda]

Like you can't deny that ultimately the Gorosei felt humiliated and ashamed at the end of Egghead

[lofty fern]

He says that, but we all know he loves his dad. It's like how he was with Ida

[thin quest]

Zoro used to be emotional and say important things pre time skip. He's a total automaton now it feels like

[hazy turret]

In your opinion

[inner agate]

the concept of tashigi having haki but not robin

[wet condor]

True

[lofty fern]

It's how Loki says "I love you", he has to degrade you first

[patent sapphire]

Yeah agree

[hazy turret]

Oh my lord

[thin quest]

he doesn't laugh anymore

[urban lodge]

He does?

[cloud adder]

Oda will pay for his crimes...

[thin quest]

it's so boring

[urban lodge]

All the time

[hazy turret]

Oh BROTHER

[unique lagoon]

loki is just a fan of toxic relationships

[dense haven]

I want loki to degrade me

[urban lodge]

He laughed multiple times in this arc already

[hazy turret]

laughing is the only emotion apparently anyways

[thin quest]

he doesn't have the same joy

he feels so deadpan

[lofty fern]

I never saw that, but sure, if you think so

[hazy turret]

Zoro has always been stoic

[fast pagoda]

I think Loki is the one who wants to be degraded

[dark nymph]

the concept of random marine #52727 having haki but not Robin

[cloud adder]

Zoro will never be joyboy

[primal needle]

this is pretty stupid to say considering zoro is the main side charachter 💀

bro watching one piece just to see what the one piece is

[unique lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/zolu-zoroxluffy-zoro-luffy-gif-18933627

[primal needle]

by this point i personally think we already know what it is

[inner agate]

the concept of kung fu dugongs having haki but not robin

[golden valley]

But what does this have to do with Zoro vs Mihawk as if Wano doesn’t reinforce the fact it’s happening again?

[cloud adder]

Luffy will g5 every other SH but Zoro is too edgelord to get joyboy'd

[urban lodge]

I really don't know where that complaint came from and why it's so popular because he literally still laughs all the time

[patent sapphire]

Final war nika zoro trust

[leaden rivet]

Zoro is a lot more stoic post time skip for sure

[primal needle]

i saw a theory yesterday that imo is perfectly spot on

[wet condor]

If Zoro fought more swordsman and we had more chapters like how it was when he fought Daz Bones, people would be more excited for his final bout with Mihawk lol

[thin quest]

where is this Zoro anymore? (I know it's anime but yeah)

[unique lagoon]

no more room for fun and games 😔

[wet condor]

Where we see him introspect on discovering new levels of swordsmanship

[hazy turret]

It’s because the “badass” moments are more memorable now

[leaden rivet]

Zoro’s dream is missing the usual shonen rivals

[wet condor]

That's the good shit

[leaden rivet]

Like 3 people in the world even care about the WSS title

[pulsar path]

Hmm like what? Cus Zoro has done more meaningful things post time skip, cut pica twice, stunned a logia with pure aura, cut kaido, had an actual flashback

[lofty fern]

They had those things, but VP had been found to be untrustworthy, so yeah they had to get rid of him and take full control. And Luffy wasn't a priority at the beginning though maybe Imu should have told them that ahead of time

[unique lagoon]

when will zoro fight an actual swordman before mihawk

[hazy turret]

Did people forget how much of a fool Zoro made himself out to be during dressrosa? Fighting with that tontatta and getting lost

[wet condor]

Now he just gets a power-up or whatever, the last one he got he doesn't even acknowledge it lol

[cloud adder]

WSS title is still postponed btw

[fast pagoda]

Do they look like they feel successful here

[cloud adder]

Vista WSS soon

[dense haven]

even luffy barely had rivals

[pulsar path]

Idk wtf oda was thinking with this

[unique lagoon]

wano was suppose to be the zoro vs real swordman
we only got a clash with kyoshiro

[wraith mantle]

True that

[golden valley]

Dressrosa Zoro had meme and Pre-Timeskip moments

[dense haven]

oda just sucks at making rivalries

[charred flower]

If you take out Mihawk from the overarching story, and change zoros goal to become the strongest just because of Kuina. Does the story change much?

[urban lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/trafligar-law-trafalgar-zoro-one-gif-26977161

[pulsar path]

Tbh people forget Luffy beat mars like straight up

Tech he beat two goresei

[wraith mantle]

Oda sucks at writing sword fights

[twin knoll]

😭

[void knot]

I should've just stayed in my bed. I was happy there.

[golden valley]

Indeed

[unique lagoon]

hmm yes let me just throw DF users vs this swordman
not actual swordmen

[pulsar path]

Na there just in the style of samurai movies sadly and not anime sword fights

[unique lagoon]

fuck you oda you bum

[golden valley]

So, Oda sucking at sword fights also adds fuel to the fact Zoro vs Mihawk isn’t happening?

[pulsar path]

He's actually really good at writing sword fights

[patent sapphire]

What does oda not suck at atp

[native seal]

dont say allat to my uncle

[thin quest]

it would honestly be more interesting because we'd still be wondering who Zoro needs to take down to win that title

[lofty fern]

It's his defense mechanism. If he can hurt people first, then he doesn't feel hurt if they don't reciprocate his feelings

[dense haven]

swordsmanship in one piece is one of the worst things I've ever seen in all of fiction

[pulsar path]

Making money

[wraith mantle]

Bro upscaling himself

[inner agate]

i cant wait for zoro vs mihawk to be 5 haki clash panels after 30 years of wait

[dark nymph]

it’s fine Toei will carry

[wraith mantle]

Random icebergs and mountains are about to know what’s up

[pulsar path]

I mean .....most don't even mention "swordmenship"

[hazy turret]

But…it IS because of kuina? Mihawk is just the standard to achieve that otherwise how will you know you’re the strongest

[cloud adder]

shanks arc will save one piece dw guys

[thin quest]

the glazing is unreal

[leaden rivet]

I think Zoro’s dream is just missing a lot of setting overall. No one really cares about it. Mihawk doesn’t even really seem to care about it all that much. None of the top tiers are really that big into swordsmanship either.

[leaden rivet]

In the end Zoro vs Mihawk just feels like a filler

[unique lagoon]

all zoros opponents so far has a gimmic
just give him a straight up haki man swordman before mihawk

[void knot]

Shanks and Loki already hard carry.

[fossil nimbus]

The gorosei aura farming after getting humbled

[native seal]

we got ishizuka interested for mihawk vs zoro its in safe hands

[patent sapphire]

Shanks arc was romance dawn let it go 💔

[inner agate]

yeah and if you criticise oda for it his glazers will defend him and his lazy writing

[cloud adder]

Panel on the left still pisses me off like crazyyyyy STFU ZORO

[lofty fern]

Yes actually

[leaden rivet]

Zoro says like a lot of stupid things that see portrayed as smart

[cloud adder]

sybau brad

[pulsar path]

Zoros like the only real pirate in the crew

[hazy turret]

He’s literally pulling a pre ts Zoro moment (water 7)

[pulsar path]

Maybe brook too

[leaden rivet]

Like when he had that conversation to the strawhats about not saving vivi

[inner agate]

mihawks arc was baratie

[charred flower]

He's a ladder, that's why IMO it's not interesting as a character and would be glad if he was defeated by another character that would change or shake up Zoros story that has been stagnant since the TS

[unique lagoon]

this is the best zoro line lately

[woven violet]

Hmmm, I didn't think about that: Mars did indeed get sent back before the other elders, and it does seem like it was Luffy's attack that sent him back.

That seems to suggest that Luffy's Daqn Balloon attack was able to have the same effect as Joyboy's haki blast?

[patent sapphire]

Nah mihawk doesn't deserve an arc

[native seal]

yeah he was annoying then too

[cloud adder]

Loki flashback rn is peak fr

[thin quest]

Oh I'm sorry I misread your message, a little. Yeah it's gonna such a letdown

[fossil nimbus]

This is what scares me about the fight. We about to get Harald vs Rocks 2.0 . I'm just hoping Oda cooks

[lofty fern]

I hope Zoro can meet Shanks and then get totally bested by him

[unique lagoon]

this is just oda making fun of himself

[hazy turret]

My point is that there hasn’t been a drastic change that made Zoro more serious post ts. He’s always been goda’s edgy little guy

[cloud adder]

!shanks2

[tropic nova]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1212095298609094727/1385389375621435564/1385388957809905674remix-1750372965141.png?ex=6855e3e6&is=68549266&hm=cdd84ef0f567684daeb2c140dd63c2ee7c8f17dcabc17dec3e03b9a53a64140f&

[inner agate]

we need more buggy arcs

[urban lodge]

That was one of the funniest gags recently

[cloud adder]

We got a whole cmd for that one

[wraith mantle]

Is shanks the coolest mentor figure character in shonen?

[wet condor]

Never getting anything like this in OP again when it comes to a Zoro fight.

[urban lodge]

Oda showing that he's self aware

[unique lagoon]

oda would dickride shanks till EOS

[lofty fern]

In fact, Zoro vs Shanks and Sham at the same time!

[cloud adder]

YESSSSSIRRR

[hazy turret]

No

[dense haven]

zoro fans going up the walls praising the "vice captain"

[golden valley]

Rayleigh exists?????

[native seal]

i prefer the "shanks obsessed fool" translation

[hazy turret]

He’s not even a mentor

[void knot]

Not me wanting Shanks to speak to me how he spoke to Harold 😆

[golden valley]

Exactly

[cloud adder]

Next arc

[golden valley]

Shanks is an ass mentor

[wet condor]

There's that one moment where he realizes that he has to "give himself over to Enma" which is good but that doesn't even compare to this lol

[wraith mantle]

Well what is he then

[pulsar path]

1. He could have sent him into the atmosphere and that " killed" mars
2. Maybe there is a radius around the island they can go before being sent back because there true body was not there ie Saturn left on the ship not via the abyss?
3. Yeah I think this was haki " friendship" maybe because Luffy did have his friends help? Sorry just thought I would share my full thoughts

[wraith mantle]

Idol?

[golden valley]

Yeah

[fossil nimbus]

Oda's drawings have really fell off

[unique lagoon]

shanks as mentor
"go figure it out"

[inner agate]

all of rogers crew is his mentor 💔

[golden valley]

Someone to idolize

[inner agate]

including rogers son

[proud pivot]

failed to kill luffy
failed to stop vegapunk message
didnt kill all the vegapunks

😂

[cloud adder]

Ace 💔

[pulsar path]

They literally did this for the king fight

[hazy turret]

I know he’s in a crew with a bunch of deadbeats but appearing in Luffy’s life after he’s successful is a little too on the nose don’t you think?

[pulsar path]

The king fight is literally this fight with different context

[unique lagoon]

!shanks

[tropic nova]

https://i.imgur.com/xVMfR1O.png

[wraith mantle]

Sorry about that

[wet condor]

Kind of, which is what I mentioned but it's still not as good and lengthy as this lol

[thin quest]

https://tenor.com/view/heracles-one-piece-heracles-one-piece-gif-26270546

[charred flower]

For Luffy he is for sure, he was around windmill village for years

[cloud adder]

Adv haki training is the key to saving the world, not shanks' fault that it takes years just to be ready for his training

[inner agate]

i wish there was a young marine being mentored by akainu and basically the opposite of koby

[hazy turret]

Yeah that’s more fitting. Role model

[stone terrace]

Shanks is why luffy is a pirate therefore hes a mentor

[inner agate]

id rather be mentored by akainu than garp

[cloud adder]

Damn wrong reply sorry rokaya

[fossil nimbus]

But he didn't teach Luffy anything?

[woven violet]

Would be interesting

[charred flower]

And the SH sequence is literally a mentor figure inheriting part of his will on Luffy

[lofty fern]

Would be cool

[pulsar path]

I agree with that. I feel Luffy has taken more of the center stage putting Zoro less as the second protagonist and more I to support

[stone terrace]

Jaya bar scene

[thin quest]

Shanks would one shot Zoro atm

[golden valley]

I cant see anything

[pulsar path]

Man I actually think Zoro at least by eos can do this

[cloud adder]

This is when Shanks pulls out his gun

[unique lagoon]

shanks would cut off enma in a clash

[golden valley]

But isn’t this just idolizing

[fossil nimbus]

Shanks is more of an idol than a mentor. Rayleigh is a mentor, not Shanks

[patent sapphire]

Alr not too much

[golden valley]

Shanks didn’t teach luffy to do that

[charred flower]

Yeah, since Saboady Luffy is clearly the protagonist and the rest of the SH are secondary

[golden valley]

Luffy just took after him

Because hes a role model to him

[unique lagoon]

shanks be like
give me back this hat someday
if you die then skill issue

[fossil nimbus]

Egghead really cemented this, if you take out like 90% of the SH'S except the main 3, egghead wouldn't have changed much. Most of the crew are starting to feel like side characters

[thin quest]

time skip got the balancing done better to properly identify Zoro AND Sanji to be the future wings of the new pirate king

[charred flower]

Not sure how you can say that when we have been hammered with the Straw hat/inherited will sequence for years

[lofty fern]

And then we double team

[patent sapphire]

Baby shanks stole tranquilizer darts from dragon and is making y'all think he has adv conq

[inner agate]

we all know that Naguri is luffys mentor actually

[golden valley]

Fire filler arc character

[woven violet]

Zoro is him

[golden valley]

Holy shit

[iron oriole]

Poor Luffy, given a hat from his idol to look after & he'll never be able to return it properly

[inner agate]

canon in our hearts

[fossil nimbus]

Mentors teach things, Shanks didn't teach luffy anything. Luffy idolises shanks, thats it

[pulsar path]

He got three swords he will be fiiiineee

[patent sapphire]

Peak character ngl

[urban lodge]

Canon arc filler character

[fast pagoda]

He did teach Luffy a bit

[urban lodge]

He's from the asl flashback

[pulsar path]

I was about to say he's like half filler but no that was usopps guy

[woven violet]

Shanks lost to a minor league sea king

[lofty fern]

Luffy rooting for Shanks against Zoro would be hilarious

[rose rune]

This man is on par with don chinjao

[iron oriole]

Lord of D Coast has ACoC

[golden valley]

So then hes a goat

[patent sapphire]

He should be canon this dude was goated asf

[inner agate]

yeah he was so kind to asl

[charred flower]

Disagree, Zoro, Nami, Sanji, Franky, Jinbe and Robin are necesarry since the info they got from egghead influenced in their escape or will influence in how they move as a crew on the future... Brook/Chopper and Usopp did nothing... at least chopper healed Robin and Stussy

[fossil nimbus]

He was with Luffy for like 10 minutes idk like 10 years ago and inspired luffy to be a pirate, Luffy already wanted to be a pirate, but shanks made that interest increase. What exactly did he teach

[inner agate]

rogers rival and garps rival

[unique lagoon]

ik what u mean 😔

[iron oriole]

Yes

BB victim is a BB victim

[woven violet]

I have come...to end this war.

[unique lagoon]

what better way to hype up teach
kill the MCs idol

whos also very powerful

[wet condor]

I mean there's a good chance it'll look something like this. Shanks obviously won't remain standing on his feet like Whitebeard but easy to see him getting jumped lol

[lofty fern]

Figarlands have always won ultimately over the Davys 😈

[rose rune]

Only vasco's haki coated bullets do actual damage

[fossil nimbus]

I'm talking about in egghead itself. If you reread the whole arc, you realise how minimal their role was, sure their info can help in the future. But egghead alone, with all those big names, a majority of the straw hats just felt like side characters

[urban lodge]

Give up BB fans, Shanks is super safe

[pulsar path]

After current events it seems more like a mean of destiny and kinda sets up th idea that in onepiece any one can has mishaps

[iron oriole]

If BB doesn't kill Shanks, i'll actually say for the first time ever that Oda is a h word

[urban lodge]

He might lose but he won't die

[pulsar path]

And seaking over teach lol

[wet condor]

Shanks needs to die

[unique lagoon]

it got upgraded now
vasco has haki spit flames

[inner agate]

got scarred by pre devil fruit bb btw

[wet condor]

I have held for years that BB will kill him. But BB doesn't kill him, then someone else should do it

[fast pagoda]

I honestly think Teach killing Garp is more likely than him killing Shanks

[unique lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/the-road-to-el-dorado-both-both-is-good-gif-8304204

[iron oriole]

Shanks then ran away to Marijoa

[hazy turret]

[wet condor]

Who do y'all suspect kills Shanks then? Do you think he just lives?

[lofty fern]

Not hard when you're a 24 year old newbie

[wet condor]

Kidd's time to shine

[golden valley]

Ye

[wet condor]

Let him get his lick back

[thin quest]

Kid is a loser bum

[pulsar path]

Tbh I think it's less likely now that shamrock was introduced

[hazy turret]

Soon!

[golden valley]

Shanks wont die

[unique lagoon]

imu turns shanks into a demon
luffy force to kill him

[charred flower]

Mentoring is not necessary teaching fighting skills. Luffy learned from Shanks how "good" pirates work, how to defend your friends and how not to initiate unnecessary fights, and then received the push to go out to the sea. If Shanks is not a mentor then Hiruluk isn't either

[wet condor]

Not a fan of Shanks living ngl

[inner agate]

both are the same age but one was raised by a goat wb and the other was raised by a fraud

[fossil nimbus]

If that scar made him chase BB for like 15 years, then it's still pretty serious

[urban lodge]

He's gonna lose to Blackbeard, that's pretty much inevitable, but he's not gonna die

[iron oriole]

Don't switch sides when Shanks gets fucked up by the GOAT

[pulsar path]

I mean you actually don't have to kill them to break Domi

[charred flower]

Yeah, it was a setup ark for them, they were dealing with stuff that only Luffy Sanji and Zoro could help up with

[unique lagoon]

true but shanks needs to die
sooo uhh
nasujuro kills him at the end

[urban lodge]

He's gonna be glazed to never before seen levels and solo the entire crew before he loses tho

[rose rune]

Loki will take off his banadges, then we see it's actually eustass kid

[lofty fern]

Imu makes Shamrock fight Shanks, and Shanks somehow frees his brother in the end 🥹

[wet condor]

That's a grown man who had been a pirate for 24 years

[golden valley]

Ive met maybe one shanks fan that thinks he wont get cooked by BB

[fossil nimbus]

Ye so as I said, the strawhats felt like side characters, apart from the main three

[wet condor]

24 is not a lil' boy

[golden valley]

most shanks fans know their limits

[iron oriole]

Yeah

[unique lagoon]

watch pirate jesus luffy just placing his hand on demons and removing the curse

[wet condor]

A pirate his whole life

[lofty fern]

Eh, he was pretending to be a knight and not a pirate so he was out of his element

[fossil nimbus]

Wasn't that shanks relative to a shamrock, who was a HK?

[rose rune]

12 years younger than me

[iron oriole]

Some are just delulu

[golden valley]

24 and trained by Great Pirates fyi

[lofty fern]

Supposedly, he's under Sham

[pulsar path]

In all honesty I think it's ether bb, ( who I actually think would try and team up with him) shamrock or maybe even garland. Since he is the one to punish CDs if they get out of line

[iron oriole]

Specifically the "God King Shanks" group

[ashen perch]

Imu got this

[fossil nimbus]

?

[charred flower]

I think that in this topic we are agreeing with eachother, but with a harsher tone since we disagree with the mentor topic

[lofty fern]

Pretty sure they didn't train him the whole time. I mean, look at Buggy. Buggy still has no haki lol

[wet condor]

Well Buggy can also be talentless

[golden valley]

I think Buggy is ass

[urban lodge]

Buggy is just depressed

[wet condor]

[unique lagoon]

i would agree
imu wont be a 1 v1 as most people think

[urban lodge]

Give him a break

[pulsar path]

Tbh I'm not sure what bb reason for even going after shanks would be. It's seems so one sided like shanks keep stalking him while bb doesn't seem to care AT ALL about shanks

[fossil nimbus]

Oh no after your Hiruluk point, I sort of agree with the mentor thing, did I not reply to it?

[lofty fern]

They were saying that IF Shanks gets the level 2 mark, THEN he would be on par with Sham

[wet condor]

It'd namely be Shanks chasing after BB, yeah

[fast pagoda]

God the Gorosei suck

[charred flower]

Nope, and thanks

[wet condor]

BB has no reason, as far as I can tell, to go after Shanks

[fast pagoda]

Im so glad the HKs exist

[pulsar path]

Unrequited love is tough

[fossil nimbus]

level 2 just gives immortality, so that means their fighting skills at least were relative

[iron oriole]

Shanks is just a fucking stalker

Obsessed with Blackbeard

[patent sapphire]

They kinda suck just as much honestly

[pulsar path]

Straight up tho

Like after seeing rocks too

[lofty fern]

Has BB even mentioned Shanks?

[unique lagoon]

thats why nasujuro will just fight brook 1v1
2 ice swordmen duking it out.
both skelly also

[charred flower]

Did Harald get a lvl 2 or a lvl 3?

[fossil nimbus]

2

[rose rune]

Put me up, put me down, put my feet back on the ground

[pulsar path]

Idk BB could just be being painted as a villain🤣

[fossil nimbus]

he got a deep sea

[lofty fern]

It gives power too

[pulsar path]

Maybe shanks is the true baddy

And not just looks

[fossil nimbus]

I believe level three gives the gorosei transformation

[lofty fern]

2

[wet condor]

Not outside of them being in the same vicinity and Shanks addressing him, no lol

[charred flower]

What's the difference with the lvl 3 ? Do we know?

[fossil nimbus]

Where did they say that, because harald got a level 2 and all you get is immortality

[charred flower]

I guess Saturn was a lvl 3 so something like that

[fossil nimbus]

Level three probably gives you the gorosei transformation. But it's not confirmed

[thin quest]

ageless body

[urban lodge]

Presumably not aging and demon transformations

[lofty fern]

You get actual immortality at the very least, maybe more

[fast pagoda]

The wipe the Lorosei

[unique lagoon]

what if imu has a contract that just gives you all the haki unlocks

[rose rune]

He did say "I need to kill him before luffy can return the hat"

[charred flower]

Or... or Lvl 3 get those demon powers

[iron oriole]

Always asking for tabs on BB, always trying to catch him somewhere... like bro... let it go, you got merked back when BB didn't have a DF & you said it wasn't off guard... don't do it to yourself

[fast pagoda]

Gunko is a better character than all the Gorosei combined

[charred flower]

Yeah, probably this

[pulsar path]

I'm blanking what are the different version of imortality

[iron oriole]

Assuming Yokai forms are the big thing from the Abyssal contract

[charred flower]

Harald got immortality with lvl 2 if I'm not mistaken

[rose rune]

Living forever

[lofty fern]

Imu literally says it

[fossil nimbus]

HK Garling immortality, you can age, but don't regen. Then gorosei immortality, where they don't age and regen

[urban lodge]

By immortality they meant regeneration

[pulsar path]

I mean idk people already have fruits in gods knights

[urban lodge]

The holy knights still clearly age

[fossil nimbus]

alr thanks

[golden valley]

Invulnerability and eternal youth

[wet condor]

I mean, he damn near took that man's eye. I get it

But Shanks is really after BB because of BB's ambition I'm sure

[thin quest]

2 is immortality from bodily harm but you age
3 is immortality, ageless body, and yokai form

[wet condor]

In all seriousness

[iron oriole]

Yokai forms are clearly different, they don't even get a proper title box

[fossil nimbus]

Yep but those aren't the yokai forms

[pulsar path]

I mean in general there is like a few different version of immortality like not aging but still being able to be killed

[native seal]

i also think this is a conclusion we can make

[lofty fern]

I consider that just regeneration. But you literally stop aging at level 3

[unique lagoon]

here take these ACOC Futuresight maybe ACOC

[pulsar path]

We don't know that

Since homie has kirin

[leaden rivet]

This isn’t exactly a high bar lol

[charred flower]

And give Imu a kiss good night every day or you die

[iron oriole]

Until proven otherwise, i will forever say the Ope Ope is what stops aging

[wet condor]

I want to know what exactly BB was after that has Shanks making it one of his life's missions to stop him lol

[fossil nimbus]

The ones we've seen are just normal paramecias/zoans

[wet condor]

Oda needs to stop blue balling

[ashen perch]

Shamrock does seem to have a yokai power but its in his sword, not sure if it does count

[thin quest]

I would kiss that twink

[pulsar path]

Krin is mythical

[rose rune]

So there are 8 holy knights right?

[thin quest]

yes

[pulsar path]

I'm pretty sure the " yokai" fruit are just mythical

[leaden rivet]

Probably just being king of the world

[iron oriole]

Killingham/Gunko was actually revealed as a DF though, Gorosei & Cerberus wasn't

[lofty fern]

Character wise, that's not a high bar

[leaden rivet]

That seems to be Blackbeards main ambition thus far

[charred flower]

Also Sham and Gunko don't get a numbered Summon, so i guess you also get the number

[iron oriole]

Killingham is the Ryu Ryu no mi for example

[rose rune]

K. Then I understood it correctly

[iron oriole]

Gorosei are just Fengxi etc

[rose rune]

That means we have seen half of the current knights

[pulsar path]

Are you sure I'm pretty sure we know that it's a dog dog fruit

[thin quest]

Gunko is special though, she has a Deep Deep contract for sure even though she's just a Holy Knight

[urban lodge]

Yeah it was just "cerberus"

[iron oriole]

Cerberus was introduced as just "Cerberus"

[urban lodge]

Like the gorosei

[iron oriole]

Same as the Gorosei

[lofty fern]

I don't think Imu would need that here. Law has the op-op fruit at this point in the story and Garling still gets level 3

[charred flower]

From the top tier abyss contract holders we only know 5 out of 13

[rose rune]

The gorosei are the 5

[thin quest]

6, Gunko

[iron oriole]

Idt the WG were trying to buy the Ope Ope for 5b for no reason

[pulsar path]

But Oda showed 9 holy knights

[charred flower]

Not sure if she's lvl 3 though

[thin quest]

she has an ageless body

[iron oriole]

2 more b than what they put as Laws bounty btw

[leaden rivet]

They probably have a reason, but it doesn’t need to be for that in specific

[charred flower]

True

[urban lodge]

She is unless the perennial youth is something completely separate

[leaden rivet]

5b isn’t really that much

[charred flower]

So 6

[leaden rivet]

For something if it’s that necessary

[iron oriole]

[thin quest]

this could be possible

[rose rune]

I assumed 5 of the 13 were the gorosei, and the rest were holy knights

[iron oriole]

"5 billion isn't much"

[charred flower]

Shamrock doesn't seem to age either

[iron oriole]

You crazy

[fossil nimbus]

?

[leaden rivet]

Relatively

[fossil nimbus]

relative to what lmao

[wet condor]

Illya is saying that the WG basically have unlimited resources lol

[charred flower]

Probably some of the HK are lvl 3, but not all of them

[thin quest]

I never thought that maybe Gunko got the eternal youth surgery

[iron oriole]

Willing to spend more on a fruit than the Yonko's heads

[fossil nimbus]

The bounty of the man who learnt the truth about the world was 5b, relatively, 5b is a lot

[pulsar path]

At the very least there devil fruits/ powers from devil fruits inu hands out but very unlikely since shanks sword seems to have ate a devil fruit rather than him having the power. And it following all the rules of how devil fruits an weapons works

[rose rune]

If that's how it is I hope maffey is still around

[leaden rivet]

To the WG who can shell out 3 billion on the likes of Kid and Law. If the fruit was that necessary then they would pay more

[wet condor]

Like it's easy enough for them to just pay 5 billion to get a hold of it. Many people would take that offer and 5 billion is probably pocket change for the WG

[urban lodge]

I think Imu is the only one who got the surgery and he can share the immortality through the contracts

[charred flower]

In paper, Law is the most wanted man we know, 8 bill

[pulsar path]

Why would garland not be tho

[lofty fern]

Not to the CDs. Wasn't each of those chests at GV worth 1B? So 5 of those chests. They had plenty, and that was just at GV. Their travel money. Imagine how much they have at home?

[hazy turret]

😭

[rose rune]

Bootleg garling

[pulsar path]

There was 9 chests

[charred flower]

Rn he is, but he has been aging until he became a Gorosei

[iron oriole]

Nah, they don't get the 5b for the fruit too

Law is still just 3b

[pulsar path]

Yeah this contract deff stops you from aging than

Theid

Third

[wet condor]

Law fans looking for that implicit bounty upscale

I'm surprised that HPQ didn't think of it first tbh

[lofty fern]

There was way more than that. That was just the chests on the stage. They had more in 2 treasure storage rooms

[charred flower]

That's what I mean in paper, if you were from BB crew you could get the DF and have 8 bill

[wet condor]

"Law has an implicit bounty surpassing Roger's"

[iron oriole]

True, in theory

[lofty fern]

I actually have no interest in that sort of thing. I accept Law as he is

[pulsar path]

Are we sure that was not just taken from God valley as it's " resources"

[wet condor]

Oh good point

[grand flower]

Wassup Yall

[lofty fern]

The resources of GV were natural, not money

[leaden rivet]

Yeah relative to the WG 5b isn’t a crazy amount

[wet condor]

Yet you won't accept his words

Sup Shuron

[leaden rivet]

What

[grand flower]

It’s cold as shit

[stone terrace]

A billion dollars is a lot for a person. It is a small amount for a government

[lofty fern]

No, because, like Loki, I understand what he's really saying under the surface 😏

[iron oriole]

Its still a crazy amount to pay for a single fruit when the damn Pirate King was only 500m more

A single fruit worth more than half the Yonko's

[pulsar path]

They never said that. And it being a Davey clan island they probably had a lot of treasure form the past and from rocks

[hazy turret]

That was so disrespectful and belittling

[lofty fern]

They didn't seem to care that much about buying roger, so who knows

[charred flower]

Unless you're Argentina (teasing up a neighbor country for me)

[leaden rivet]

It’s all relative

[iron oriole]

They cared a lot about executing him

[stone terrace]

Just sell messi

[charred flower]

You think he lives there? Lol

[lofty fern]

They did

[iron oriole]

And stopping his bloodline

[grand flower]

They did say me valley has an abundance of natural resources

[lofty fern]

Also, Rocks said the Davy clan was just scrapping by, they didn't have any money or treasure

[pulsar path]

Aka gold

[iron oriole]

Natural resources could mean anything

[pulsar path]

Exactly

[iron oriole]

The people are a natural resource to the WG

[hazy turret]

Just remembered it’s break week 💔

[lofty fern]

If its a natural resource it's not gold coins and cut jewels in chests

[fossil nimbus]

break week after a chapter like this

[grand flower]

That’s what you deserve

[lofty fern]

it's not the chests of money

[pulsar path]

Diamond and gold are still natural resources even if they are refined

[charred flower]

Oh.... then let's bring up the old "who will join the crew"???

[iron oriole]

I dont disagree there

[pulsar path]

Like you wouldnt say beef is t a natural resource even tho you gotta kill the cow to make the beef

[fossil nimbus]

no one

[pulsar path]

It's just a Process

[iron oriole]

Even if the natural resources includes gold, it wouldn't be refined

[grand flower]

Well yeah you would

[pulsar path]

Ie prosciutto is a natural resource of Italy but it take months to make

[grand flower]

Animals are considered a natural resource

[lofty fern]

You really think they had billions of berries in gold just hanging around?

[charred flower]

I think Bonney or Loki will be official SH by the end of the arc

[pulsar path]

Would**

[grand flower]

Bonney belongs with the Revos fr fr

[inner agate]

theres like 0 strong bounty hunters no one is taking yonko bounties anyway

[pulsar path]

Yeah the people were living fine and didn't need world government affiliation. Look at how elbaf is going

[hazy turret]

[pulsar path]

Elbaf has infinity more space and resources yet they suffer

[hazy turret]

No one!

[inner agate]

at least with the op fruit the government almost bought it in the north blue

[solemn reef]

exactly

[pulsar path]

It's really clear God valley was wealthy

[lofty fern]

Eh, Bonney is now background and Loki is going to reunite with his bro and probably run elbaph as well as find the galleria giants

[cloud adder]

Im surprised theres been no mention of the WG being after the yami yami

[lofty fern]

That was not because of those chests that the CDs obviously brought along with them

[fossil nimbus]

who knew the giants would become as important as they are now

[pulsar path]

Tbh idk wtf the world government thinks there doing they are kind a horrible at there job if you ask me

[charred flower]

I agree, but that would mean that Dragon... moves, so... Bonney it is

[lofty fern]

They were moderate from what we see. No one was super wealthy and Rocks basically admits his family was poor

[pulsar path]

Those chests were not prizes it was stuff they collected form the island to take back to the MJ

[iron oriole]

Ehh they've been controlling the world for ~800 without any challengers, its understandable they'd become complacent etc

[fossil nimbus]

Real, they've been active for 800 years yet couldn't prevent roger from finding the one piece, couldn't stop luffy and let so many bad things happen to them

[cloud adder]

Reactive bums ong, its a realistic take on an org based on superiority tho

[solemn reef]

yh given the fact they have immortal regen merchents who can tp anywhere without boats and stuff

[pulsar path]

They literally said the island had resources that means it was not our

Poor

[lofty fern]

Sure, if you want to think that....I will just have to highly disagree with you.

[fossil nimbus]

If they were smart, they would have found all the ponelglyphs by now and constantly guard them or something

[pulsar path]

They have had many challenges actually it's just they keep erasing them

[iron oriole]

Their last real challenger was Joyboy ~800 years ago

[lofty fern]

You can have natural resources and still be dirt poor. We've seen that all over the world today.

[fossil nimbus]

the giant went to marijoas 200 years ago

[pulsar path]

Only when the government takes the resources for them selfs

[iron oriole]

Emet, he ran out power before doing anything serious

[lofty fern]

Or because you don't have to supplies or manpower or infrastructure yourself to make use of them

[stone terrace]

Wealth and having resources is different

Africa has a ton of natural resources but they get extorted by other countries siphoning the stuff for themselves

[pulsar path]

More likely resource curse

[lofty fern]

😑

[pulsar path]

If you add up everything we know about god valley it doesn't seem like they were suffering

They didnt want to be affiliated with the wg and no one really looked poor

[stone terrace]

Garling did say they had a unique way of life or something

They were definitely self sufficient

[iron oriole]

Yeah the people of GV definitely looked like they were doing perfectly fine

[pulsar path]

Yeah they knew the way out of the wg pocket

[iron oriole]

Everyone seemed happy etc

[pulsar path]

They really did seemed kid a like paradise

Not the pirate one

[iron oriole]

Everyone was peaceful & then the Fire Nation World Government attacked

[lofty fern]

I didn't say suffering, just not super rich

[iron oriole]

Like Shanks & Shams mother just strolling around with them & everyone wanting to help look after them etc

They seemed very at peace etc

[pulsar path]

Exactly

[lofty fern]

There are countries that can survive unaffiliated. Not many, bust some

[orchid umbra]

So godvalley is the one peace confirmed ok

[ashen perch]

I imagine those natural resources made it easy for them to pay up the Celestial tributes

[charred flower]

Exactly is the dead ppl we find in the way

[lofty fern]

Since they were unaffiliated, I doubt they had tributes

[iron oriole]

They didn't pay any tributes

[orchid umbra]

And everyone was living in peace. Blackbeard and Akainu and luffy with their kids. The end.

[ashen perch]

oh yea true

but still, I guess it just helped them sustain themselves still

[iron oriole]

Yeah ofc it did

[lofty fern]

However, being unaffiliated does make you a target for the WG and corrupt marines. You're basically lower than scum 😭

[iron oriole]

Opened them up for trade with other unaffiliated countries for whatever they were missing

[orchid umbra]

Guess they had some pirate protection

[charred flower]

They would've done something similar to Flevance and put a town in there to mine it and give them money

[lofty fern]

You don't get that either yeah

[lofty fern]

I think Flevance was part of the WG

[orchid umbra]

Why not?

[lofty fern]

Unaffiliated nations don't get protection

[tranquil blade]

Well if you're unaffiliated the Marines wont help you with pirates

[charred flower]

Yeah, after killing the old kingdom, they put ppl they want and get the resources

[wraith mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-zoro-vs-king-king-of-hell-one-piece-1062-episode-1062-gif-16340763784012771786

[orchid umbra]

Protection by pirates why not?

Aka shanks elbaf

[iron oriole]

Idk about that... protection by Pirates is a thing

FMI is protected

For example

Or Elbaf

Or Wano

[lofty fern]

I think the old kingdom was part of it too, they supposedly fled with the WGs help

[pulsar path]

My other point

[lofty fern]

Oh, yeh they can get that if they go under someone's flag. Though that's rare in the blues

[orchid umbra]

I can see that’s a reason why there were some kiddos of rocks and so on there.
I can see it beeing the safe space for their kids, which they protected which equals in undependence of the wg

[pulsar path]

God valley was never attacked by pirates and taken over

They just have enough resources to generally defend then selfs

[charred flower]

Huh... on a second thought, maybe that's what they did with most of the kingdoms that became part of the 20 families. Took away their governors, put a weakened puppet replacement and justify the payment of tributes to the WG... huh

[orchid umbra]

I guess it was multiflagged basically

Rocks Roger whoever

[iron oriole]

Also the Davy clan are members of the Underworld, their name still holds weight

[tranquil blade]

I mean yeah if a country has a strong enough military they can protect themselves

[lofty fern]

It's rare in the blues though, unless it's someone who is really horrible and couldn't make it in the GL, like Arlong

[iron oriole]

That is protection alone for GV

[pulsar path]

It's exactly what they did and got the 20 kings to join thinking they were moving up and they kidna were but a whole island resources can support more than one family from the kings!

[lofty fern]

The problem there is they're too far away to maintain it. Rocks didn't have anything there because no one knew he was even from there. Roger didn't either

[iron oriole]

This is probably what protected GV the most

The underworld ties

[orchid umbra]

If your name is rocks and Roger I assume you don’t really have to be there. I guess that was protection enough until Imus move

Just an example

[distant vine]

Oh yeah I forgot his real name aint even Rocks

[charred flower]

For "riches" they can only use on a secluded place with fear/repulsion of going outside, they lost an entire country and the ability to be part of the world

[distant vine]

I should just call him Xebec now

[pulsar path]

Only people dumb enough to attack somewhere like that is luffys and barton

[lofty fern]

It did, but it was barely a thing, so I doubt it was enough for that much protection. I think GV just wasn't a big target for pirates. As Garp said, it was out in the boondocks

[urban lodge]

These fake names are so unbelievably stupid

[orchid umbra]

Yea and definitely not the WG

[pulsar path]

Well yeah but they also knew the world was flooding

[distant vine]

Clou D. may have been too much but I think Davy D. Xebec is good

[pulsar path]

I mean them too but when they attack territory it's for destructions not to like take it over mostly

[orchid umbra]

It got a target when imu realised the threat of rocks. Then I guess he acted and tried to remove this lineage

[lofty fern]

Sure, I guess if they gave it. But as far as we know, no one did that for GV. Rocks basically keept his distance from it and he'd be the only one interested

[iron oriole]

They were still making a living from being in the criminal underworld up until GV was attacked by the WG, the name holds weight still

[pulsar path]

I much prefer Davey D. Xebec over Rocks D. xebec

I never liked the name Rocks

[orchid umbra]

Rocks Davey(D) Xebec

[atomic spindle]

I am rock I am rock

[orchid umbra]

I assume Davy D is a doubler

[pulsar path]

People are still not ready for Davey Joy

[lofty fern]

The fact that they said they have to "eke" out a living, means it wasn't much

[iron oriole]

Imu didn't know

[pulsar path]

No it's Davey D. Jones

That's how the said it to Harold

[latent hamlet]

"that was a miscalculation"

dies

[lofty fern]

No one knew Rocks was a Davy member until he went to rescue his family

[pulsar path]

I think Imu had an idea

[fast pagoda]

Just watched the new morj video

Why does he sound so aggressive lol

[iron oriole]

Still continuing to do it & having ties there is enough to suggest it protected GV

[lofty fern]

It's why Imu calls Rocks "Rocks" at first and changes to Davy later

[wet condor]

"They HATE to see ME coming"
Rocks knows that he's him

But he lost in the end

[lofty fern]

We know they didn't know, probably until Garling told him

[urban lodge]

Little did he know, he was a bum

[wet condor]

R.I.P. to Rocks 🫗

[pulsar path]

Rocks going to God valley messed up the world for years to come. Every yonko was boosted form here

[pulsar path]

Goresei sure but after Imu and Davey convo he knew

Davey Jones like pirate was all Imu needed

[lofty fern]

We literally know he didn't know

[pulsar path]

We don't

Lol what

[charred flower]

In the end, the CDs are just a metaphor for late stage capitalism (take everything until everyone drowns except you, cannibalise everything until you're alone at the top, then, when the system collapses, die alone)

[lofty fern]

They even state the moment they found out

[pulsar path]

Imu?

Huh

Rocks literally mentions the promise

[lofty fern]

It's again the reason Imu originally calls Rocks "Rocks" and only calls him "Davy" after he finds out.

[pulsar path]

Imu knew but was hoping he wasa fake

No

[charred flower]

Because the raid (to Elbaf) will fail

[iron oriole]

Imu called him Davy Jones

[lofty fern]

After he calls him rocks

[pulsar path]

It's like a respect thing

[lofty fern]

He doesn't find out until that day

[pulsar path]

He's calling him kid when he says rocks

[lofty fern]

Uh no

[pulsar path]

And calling him dude/ man when he calls him Davey basicly saying he an actual threat now

[lofty fern]

That makes literally no sense

[pulsar path]

Just like how Imu says the will of d is a shadow if it's former self

It's does make since it's like giving recognition

[lofty fern]

Okay now you're just making stuff up

[pulsar path]

When he first meets rocks he's nothing compared to imu

I'm really not it's all in the context

[iron oriole]

HPQ is talking about here

And then when Imu appears they swap to Davy Jones

[pulsar path]

I mean why would they refer to him as Davey to the goresei they wouldn't know who he was talking aboht

[iron oriole]

They call Luffy "Joyboy"?

[pulsar path]

Imu doesn't share there thoughts with the goresei lol

[iron oriole]

Whats the difference

[pulsar path]

Big difference

[lofty fern]

It's at this point when they find out he's of the Davy clan

[pulsar path]

Imu knows more and keeps more form the goresei they only know what they need to know

[iron oriole]

I dont see any difference between calling Luffy "Joyboy/Nika" & calling Rocks "Davy"

[pulsar path]

We never seen Imu talk about Luffy before he awakens

It's like he getting confirmation that these people do carry the will of those people

[lofty fern]

He has no reason to keep this from his men. They weren't even expecting Rocks to be there

[pulsar path]

He didn't tell them why illlusia was struck

He said do it and do it now

[lofty fern]

He did

[iron oriole]

Well they did

[pulsar path]

Imu does not dialogue with the.

[iron oriole]

It was close

[pulsar path]

It definitely wasn't because it was close 🤣