also-manga

[dapper tree]

[sage temple]

He would have been at sea with Hajrudin if he had that mentality

Even further endangering Elbaph

[ruby moat]

not necessarily

[sage temple]

Yes he would've likely have been if he had that sissy mindset former Harald and Hajrudin believe in

[steel stirrup]

😭

[ruby moat]

what sissy mindset

[maiden charm]

All I'm saying is
If someone or someone(s) poisoned my ma
Then yea I'm burning the village down

[dapper tree]

Harj is a big nerd

[vivid karma]

Good thinking

[cloud adder]

what about the innocents

[steel stirrup]

On my immortal everlasting soul

[ruby moat]

thats a lot of collateral damage

[steel stirrup]

What about em

[iron oriole]

What innocents?

[vivid karma]

I'll kill the whole village not sparing every single one

[maiden charm]

You say collat

[vivid karma]

They share dnas and blood so they're guilty

[maiden charm]

https://tenor.com/view/plus1050-points-trickshot-soar-vish-soar-crude-gif-14432976

[iron oriole]

I'd just cut the branch off & watch them fall

[wet condor]

I don't really know what Loki's mindset is or what he's thinking as of now tbh lol. I think, like a bunch of characters, he supposed to have some capcacity for goodness deep down and all that

[ruby moat]

this is like eugenics bullshit

well not rly

but wtf??

[cloud adder]

i just find it insanely unlikely that an ENTIRE village is directly involved in poisoning a person, id argue its more of a bad bunch in the village

[steel stirrup]

This is amazing

[vivid karma]

As long as they're related internally or externally they're dead

[maiden charm]

This ain't a bad idea

[dapper tree]

I feel like its bait

[iron oriole]

Dont care, guilty by association as they say

[steel stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/let-it-go-elsa-disney-disney-princess-queen-gif-3597315

[maiden charm]

Same shit Ingrid did to me I do to y'all

[dapper tree]

[ruby moat]

this is why you've never played in the world cup

[cloud adder]

imu ahh logic

[vivid karma]

I don't care bro

[wet condor]

Loki could've just picked bro up and throw him to the side or something if he wasn't going to comply. I mean he's really that much bigger lol

[vivid karma]

It's my mother

[sage temple]

He's portrayed directly by the author to have a kindness that he doesn't want other people to see

[iron oriole]

They gone from my Tree istg

[cloud adder]

yeah i believe you

[sage temple]

So Loki is a morally realistic and kind character

[dapper tree]

Kind?

[vivid karma]

My mother's death worths billions of lives

[iron oriole]

Elders would be following them too for stopping Ida from becoming Queen

[vivid karma]

Infinite lives

[steel stirrup]

You really believe Oda would write it so that Loki killed innocent children?

Ok

[vivid karma]

A village isn't even enough

[ruby moat]

joe mama 💀

[cloud adder]

if oda was based, yeah

[maiden charm]

Yes

He definitely did

[steel stirrup]

How is that based

[vivid karma]

[maiden charm]

The children had to suffer because of the sins of their forefathers
Truly a shame

[thin quest]

Loki is classic misdirection from Oda, Loki is a softie and is hurting so much inside but doesn't want to burden the Giants of Elbaph

[iron oriole]

Someone's poisoned my mother, i'm crashing out & not thinking straight, idgaf who's at that village... it never existed

[cloud adder]

because loki's whole thing is using anger and violence instead of dealing with his emotions properly, a raging giant like him would cause these kinds of casualties

[dapper tree]

So true king

[vivid karma]

Blame the forefathers then

[dapper tree]

Loki for SH

[maiden charm]

https://tenor.com/view/message-notification-seen-unseen-unread-gif-20634779

[steel stirrup]

I'm trying to understand why you want bro to be a child murderer

[thin quest]

[vivid karma]

At least Loki kill because of his mother and not because he's evil

[vivid karma]

No one does

[steel stirrup]

But the point of this flashback has been to show that Loki isnt who everyone says he is

[maiden charm]

If I did that then the children would hold a grudge and the cycle would continue.
Cull them all and eliminate the cycle

[dapper tree]

We need to reread FMI

[maiden charm]

😭😭😭

[vivid karma]

Welp

[iron oriole]

Ngl the children of Elbaf at this time are weak as shit too

Is it really a loss?

All i'm saying

[steel stirrup]

If any children live in that village they were probably at school

[cloud adder]

because the shit he's doing doesnt involve being careful of the bigger consequences, loki is an abnormally large and powerful giant, his crashouts SHOULD be causing destruction and casualties beyond his intention because he hasnt been able to process his trauma in a healthy manner

[ruby moat]

loki orphaned a bunch of children 🔥 🔥

[vivid karma]

I'm sure some families escaped alive

It's just the dumbfucks who died

Including the one who poisoned ida

[cloud adder]

the point of the flashback is to show loki's pov but loki is still destructive, we just see a bigger picture to understand WHY loki is actually being chaotic

[steel stirrup]

But isnt the burning village enough?

You want more blood on his hands?

[thin quest]

okay and?

[iron oriole]

Loki has a crazy memory btw, he remembers Estrid throwing him off the tree

That was like minute 1 shit

[vivid karma]

Besides, it's not your normal village, it's a village that hates Ida if I remember correctly? They support whoever that bitch's name is so they share the same sentiment

Justified to kill them

[steel stirrup]

A deep trauma like that would probably be engraved in his memory whether he wanted it to be or not

[cloud adder]

i want a more realistic take on the situation, oda is probably pulling the same shit as what happened in wano where Oden saved that entire village that got swallowed by the white boar AND cutting the boar so clean they managed to save it

[vivid karma]

Oh yeah it was estrid

[steel stirrup]

Realistically, I dont think Loki would attack children.

[maiden charm]

Or it could be like when akainu blew up the ship with the O'Hara children

[iron oriole]

Yeah but the fact he was just born, literally the first thing that happened to him... crazy memory feat

Humans don't remember shit back then

[cloud adder]

dude youve seen me arguing this twice now IM NOT SAYING LOKI IS INTENTIONALLY GOING AFTER CHILDREN OMG

[wet condor]

There are no casualties during Loki's crash outs because that'd make it a lot harder for the audience to forgive him later on and he's meant to be sympathetic lol

[steel stirrup]

Intentionally or accidentally i dont think he would do that

[cloud adder]

omfg

[maiden charm]

I forgive him regardless

Bro lost his ma

[vivid karma]

idc he's based

[wet condor]

In real life, I wouldn't. But it's fiction

[cloud adder]

"i dont think he would accidentally kill children" braaaaah

PPL DONT DO ACCIDENTS ON PURPOSE

[iron oriole]

I'd forgive him anyway

[cloud adder]

THATS WHY THEYRE ACCIDENTS

[iron oriole]

Its all justified

[vivid karma]

I would do the same shit if my mother got poisoned

[steel stirrup]

All I see is dead adults

[vivid karma]

Maybe not killing children but yeah

[steel stirrup]

I dont see any children around

[wet condor]

I don't really care about Estrid's village. Wasn't really talking about that, I'm talking about the stuff he did when he was like 10

[cloud adder]

this does go back to assumptions

[iron oriole]

Killing his uncle? He abused Loki
Killing the villagers? They poisoned his mother

[maiden charm]

I don't think he just went in there slaying anyone he saw, but I dont doubt he ignored any children caught in the aftermath

[cloud adder]

i think its more reasonable to assume a whole village has children of various ages

[steel stirrup]

Its assumptions

It's all assumptions

[cloud adder]

anyways, ida would be disappointed in loki, so its a Loki L

[steel stirrup]

I don't believe Oda would allow Loki to be responsible for the death of innocent children even by accident

[wet condor]

Yeah

[iron oriole]

Loki did threathen the children to get his freedom.... idt its crazy to think some got hurt/killed during his crashouts

[steel stirrup]

Its still all assumptions

[wet condor]

It'll make it harder for people to have sympathy for him if he explicitly showed that lol

[iron oriole]

[maiden charm]

Fs

[cloud adder]

this is why oda isnt gonna be based about it

[wet condor]

And Oda wants people to be symathetic

[proud pivot]

MIMI

[cloud adder]

ARISU

[steel stirrup]

Oda definitely wants us to like Loki i doubt he would write that atrocity into his character

But I am just assuming

[iron oriole]

It cant get much worse for him

[cloud adder]

😭

[steel stirrup]

Meek wtf

[vital heart]

!Warn @vital heart Spam

[cloud adder]

erm

[steel stirrup]

This nigga here

[maiden charm]

Oooooo

You gonna say the hard r next

Huh huh

[steel stirrup]

[maiden charm]

Sorry I couldn't help myself 😭

[steel stirrup]

Tesoro i need you to stfu😭

Lmaoo im crying

[iron oriole]

#also-manga message it cant get further downhill than it already has

[maiden charm]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-one-piece-movie-one-piece-movie-gold-gold-one-piece-film-gif-13310081022174778173

[steel stirrup]

Loki hasn't had the best life

[cloud adder]

calling shanks AND shamrock random 😭 😭

[steel stirrup]

Thrown away like a candy wrapper at only 1 minute old is wild work either way you try to slice it

[iron oriole]

Hey as far as we know he is a random to Loki

[maiden charm]

Chained to a tree by a homeless man is quite valid

[cloud adder]

cant be random when theres two of 'em

[steel stirrup]

LMAOOO

[upper rose]

Not just poisoned, poisoned by people he hates who did so to suck up to him

[steel stirrup]

Oda really has everyone losing to Capri pants wearing Shanks

[iron oriole]

Fool me once shame on me, fool me twice shame on you or something

[steel stirrup]

You fool me we cant get fooled again

[vital heart]

You're forgetting Rocks

Stabbed/attacked by a random pirate (Rocks) every few years that just wanted to meet his dad
His idol died

[iron oriole]

He liked that

[vital heart]

tf

[iron oriole]

Thats okay

[vital heart]

tf

[iron oriole]

Was a positive

His idol noticed him

[vital heart]

tf

[steel stirrup]

Loki probably wears ts like a badge of honor

[iron oriole]

His scars from Rocks are his treasure

[ruby moat]

stockholm syndrome

[iron oriole]

Its his strawhat

[vital heart]

tf

[cloud adder]

i need oda to start spilling lore on tats, loki's tat, dragon's tat, etc

[iron oriole]

Prove me wrong Meek

[steel stirrup]

"I survived a point blank range attack from a top tier"

Why would he be ashamed or feel negatively about that?

[maiden charm]

That one bartender in mock town

[vital heart]

https://tenor.com/view/true-truth-nuke-gif-16311706538314561226

[iron oriole]

Not once did Loki hate Rocks after he got hurt, cant tell me he didn't like it

[wet condor]

Which is crazy lol

[vital heart]

Would you like it if you got hit by Rocks?

[cloud adder]

guys, wtf is this

[vital heart]

not hit on, but hit.

[cloud adder]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-pre-timeskip-eat-eating-luffy-gif-7485428675632439868

[wet condor]

I'd certianly hate him lol

[iron oriole]

[wet condor]

Soem bs

[iron oriole]

Loki is just like that

[cloud adder]

AI then?

[iron oriole]

Respects a guy who just smacks a kid

[wet condor]

I think so lol

[steel stirrup]

No shit?

[cloud adder]

idk, thats why i askedddd

[wet condor]

It might be one of the specials. I just think it's weirdly animated either way lol

[steel stirrup]

Its... unsettling

[forest light]

Don’t forget “fall in love and somehow get rejected by someone with the lowest standards in all humanity”

[vital heart]

^

[steel stirrup]

Damn that hurt my feelings

[vital heart]

Are you talking about Lola or Shirahoshi?

[maiden charm]

Low standards ?
Bege is a great husband

[cloud adder]

lola

[forest light]

Lola

[cloud adder]

shirahoshi hasnt had the chance to reject loki

[iron oriole]

W Loki dodge

[maiden charm]

Great husband and Father
Lola did good

[vital heart]

Don't forget:

The second you got out of the chains and stood up, some rubber guy just one shots you

[forest light]

Gang her husband is one of Bege’s nobodies 😭

[steel stirrup]

Lola isn't married to Bege💀

[maiden charm]

Huh

[iron oriole]

Nah Loki passed out before it

[cloud adder]

gotti is lola's husband

[maiden charm]

WHAT THE FUCK

[maiden charm]

wait this can't be

[cloud adder]

lmaooo

[steel stirrup]

You're thinking of Lola's twin sister

[vital heart]

@iron oriole Nah he didn't.

[cloud adder]

chiffon is married to bege

[maiden charm]

Ohhh okay

Damn I got twinned

[steel stirrup]

[maiden charm]

Yea chiffon

Yea Loki dodged a bullet 😭😭

[steel stirrup]

I think Lola would've said yes if Big Mom wasnt pressuring her to say yes

Thats just me tho

[iron oriole]

He's literally passing out, thats why he knows he lost this one

[maiden charm]

I could believe that

[iron oriole]

He doesn't have the energy to continue

The adrenaline wore off

[steel stirrup]

Lola wanted the freedom to marry who she so desired

Big Mom trying to pressure her into it would've killed any relationship that may have been brewing

[maiden charm]

I'm trying 🌬️ but you keep being me back with this engaging conversation guys please

[steel stirrup]

Roll faster or type faster

[maiden charm]

Loki is a catch, he would've taken Lola away from there

Saved her

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-one-piece-film-gold-one-piece-movie-13-film-gold-op-film-gold-gif-11417573747297611872

We're back 😏

[steel stirrup]

[maiden charm]

Y'all think the bet shanks put on the "new gen and Luffy" was a bet to see if removing his arm would sever the contract with Imu successfully

[steel stirrup]

I think its more he took a bet on cutting ties with the WG because he realized the Dawn was coming

[maiden charm]

I think it definitely works in conjuction for sure

[shadow python]

The Lola rejection should have already happened no? Loki probably skipped it in his narration because it was embarrassing

[maiden charm]

There's definitely another meaning behind that scene now with the recent revalations

[shadow python]

Ida being the only mom Loki would accept could also have the double meaning of not accepting Big Mom

[maiden charm]

Depending on what happens after Haralads death then yea

[forest light]

No it happens after he kills Harald

I think

[shadow python]

Lola loved her family if Loki would refuse to be under big moms wing she might have rejected for that purpose

After Harold's death Loki gets one shot by Shanks and hanged to a tree. It isn't the right environment for him to get married

[maiden charm]

Loki wanted her apparently

If I remember correctly

[shadow python]

No one cared what Loki wanted on most occasions but especially not after he killed the king

[maiden charm]

This is true

Getting real tired of Oda writing good characters just for him to leave them

I'm not ready to leave loki for 3+ arcs

[clever idol]

Lets hope it wasnt a one shot

[maiden charm]

But we are getting Urouge in exchange so I can't complain

https://tenor.com/view/urouge-one-piece-urouge-one-piece-mad-monk-one-piece-stampede-gif-13659912243863298446

[shadow python]

Hajrudin was vehemently opposed to his saviors releasing Loki. Big Mom is an enemy of the state even with Harald trying to make peace I don't see her being welcomed. They wouldn't release Loki to get more involved with Big Mom. But it's possible that Harold's optimism allowed them to give her a chance with the Loki marriage earlier

[sage temple]

He lowk looks like he fainted before Luffy actually punches him

[shadow python]

Of course Lola rejecting him probably wasn't great for his psyche

[maiden charm]

I think only a fool would say that shamrocks attack wasnt the main reason for him falling there

[shadow python]

Shamrock did nothing. It was Gunko and his puppy

[maiden charm]

Pfft

That's like saying Zoro does nothing

[sage temple]

I think the main reason he fell there was because of his blood loss and the amount of energy he exerted at 1hp

Because Luffy doesn't look like he hit Loki there

[maiden charm]

Yes caused by the jumping
I'm agreeing

[shadow python]

Wasn't Zoros most famous quote "nothing happened"

[wet condor]

I guess lol

Prolly

[dense rapids]

I keep watching that One Piece store animation

[maiden charm]

I think he said that at some point lmao

[dense rapids]

They made Blackbeard feel so menacing

[maiden charm]

Bro change your name

[sage temple]

Oh yeah

Ok

[maiden charm]

Every time I see you it's BB glaze buggy

I ain't see nan 1 bit of buggy glaze from you

[dense rapids]

He’s my 2nd fav character

[dense rapids]

That’s a lie

[maiden charm]

U right as of late I havent tho

[vital heart]

How?

Your goat is a fraud then @sage temple

[shadow python]

Bb took down Law. Law was the guy who helped Captain Kidd take down Big Mom. That's almost as impressive as beating Kidd which is almost as impressive as beating Big Mom

[vital heart]

Fraudki

[maiden charm]

One might think your agenda is faltering 🤔

[vital heart]

Lofraud

[dense rapids]

Also people usually don’t argue with me about buggy because even they know what he will achieve

It’s inevitable

[maiden charm]

This is true

Buggy has something big in store for him

[maiden charm]

All I'm saying, is if Kanjuro doesn't have his final curse. Then big mom doesn't lose there

[dense rapids]

He’s not a gag character

That’s what Oda wants you to think

[shadow python]

Magellan took on 3 of the four future yonko. He beat two of them but was unable to beat Buggy.

[maiden charm]

This is what I like to see 👏🏽

[shadow python]

Buggy also had Luffy dead to rights and the only character to make Luffy give up and accept defeat

[maiden charm]

This was buggy's worst fit

[dense rapids]

It’s not

It’s about the symbolism

[maiden charm]

Swear bro

He could've at least ditched the prison rags

[shadow python]

It's not like they had spare outfits at Impel Down...why did they have spare outfits at Impel Down?

[dense rapids]

He wears a marine outfit with all the logos scratched out then later forms an organization that hunts them

[maiden charm]

I understand the symbolism but I can recognize he doesn't got that shit on here 😭

[shadow python]

You want him to take it off?

[maiden charm]

https://tenor.com/view/millhouse-simpsons-the-eyebrows-gif-18329123

[shadow python]

Does Cross Guild still use Buggys old flag?

I was thinking about how sad it was that Shanks flag is just a memento of how he got beat by fruitless BB but then I remembered I don't actually remember Cross Guilds flag

[still mason]

it's a mix of Buggy's, Mihawk's, and Crocodile's flags

[shadow python]

I didn't know Mihawk and Croc even had flags

But looks good Buggy

[olive sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-jolly-roger-pirate-flag-skull-z-studios-gif-18425519011915796510

[maiden charm]

U can see Mihawks in his ship when he first appears vs don krieg and you can see Crocs on the rain making ship in alabasta

[glacial bear]

In a way, Buggy will help fulfill his Crew’s desires. Even if they don’t end up with the One Piece

That’s what I believe

[ruby moat]

These recent developments for Loki have been great for his character. Maybe one day he can hope to be written half as well as Usopp

[rose rune]

a man is meassured in his backstories, so actually zoro and usopp are the worst characters

nothing else counts

[dense rapids]

Buggy will be God

[vivid tinsel]

Can someone tell me which chapter this panels are from?

[vital heart]

1054 or 1055

probably 1055

[vivid tinsel]

Thanks

[alpine trench]

yeah 1055

[vital heart]

@alpine trench did you see what i pinged you in

sorry for pinging you thrice lol

[alpine trench]

yeah meek

[vital heart]

thoughts?

[alpine trench]

not surprised

[vital heart]

lol

watchmorjo

[alpine trench]

its interesting he worked on a slop farm

[alpine trench]

sorry, this is from 1054

full page

[vivid tinsel]

Interesting that i completely forgotten this one

[vital heart]

Do you happen to remember if the month break was on 1054 or 1053

[strong wadi]

just search in announcements

looks like it was 1053 -> 4 week break -> 1054

[alpine trench]

1055

Didn’t we return with 1056

[vital heart]

Absolutely not

Tf?

[vital heart]

Thanks

[vital heart]

Harsh......

......

https://tenor.com/view/gasp-shock-scared-psyduck-pokemon-gif-25805348

Is it just me or does Imu remind anyone else of a Psyduck?

[next estuary]

Imu reminds me of that one old YouTube vid

Salad fingers I think

[urban kiln]

its just you

[next estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/rizzler-the-rizzler-christian-turn-rizzler-turn-gif-3468410536510015644

[thick mango]

Is there no tall hat pokemon

Doesn't wheezing have a tall hat form

[forest light]

Galarian Weezing

[blazing depot]

https://m.bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Hatterene_(Pokémon)

[thick mango]

My assumption until we see otherwise is imu is a salamander looking thing

[urban kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/weezing-gif-26949547

[muted hedge]

pokemon

[formal wagon]

pokemon fans when they hit their head: "ow"

[rose rune]

Damn. They must be built different. Another person would start swearing and complaining

[torn osprey]

Soon as I saw those unfinished panels I knew break week was coming.

https://tenor.com/view/trying-not-to-laugh-funny-happy-giggle-gif-13712756

[grand flower]

@vital heart Fistsmas

[vital heart]

wdym

[blazing depot]

Yearly Pokemon gigaleaks we get each year are always fun

Like how one of the Game Freak directors was a dictator between Gen 3-6

[honest garden]

Even so, those games were good

[rose rune]

Honestly I only liked gen 3 out of those

Mostly because the pacing was better

[honest garden]

I never played og gen 3 but I think 4-6 were fun

[rose rune]

I still have nightmares about the slow zoom in everytime you enter a building

[honest garden]

You would love current gen

[rose rune]

Current one is fun tbh

[honest garden]

Are you trying to piss me off

[vital heart]

hi

[honest garden]

Current gen is fucking miseraaaable

Hi Meek

[rose rune]

Graphics maybe, but the gameplay is nice.

[honest garden]

ZA?

[rose rune]

Za was... alright. I wish they would shut up more tho

Hated sword and shield

[honest garden]

ZA was a slog, absolute nightmare

Scarlet and Violet was ok

[rose rune]

Yeah. Scarlet and violet are what I consider current

[honest garden]

Right right

[rose rune]

Since za is a different game

[honest garden]

It's a big debate in the community about whether ZA is main series or not

But that's not important

[rose rune]

Yeah. I consider it a branch, since the gameplay is way different

[honest garden]

I miss when exploration was interesting, the open world is not interesting and traversing it isn't challenging

Oops I used interesting twice in the same sentence. My opinion no longer matters

[rose rune]

They could definetely learn how to create an open world

Now they just built a landscape and gave you the tools to mostly not get stuck

[honest garden]

It all feels the same too

In BOTW/TOTK every climate/location feels different

Due to different gameplay challenges (and competent art direction)

[rose rune]

Yeah... those games are a different beast tho

[honest garden]

Very true. I feel though the comparison is justified in this specific regard

I'd say pokemon shouldn't be open world at all, if this is what that looks like

[rose rune]

I don't mind it being open world, I just think they could be a bit more clever with the level design and means of transport

[honest garden]

Yeah it could work

[rose rune]

They could have it partially open

[honest garden]

There were just places in older, linear games where they look really cool and there's a nice mood

Much harder to do in open world

[rose rune]

I dunno... just look at elden ring

[honest garden]

Yeah for sure, ER is great

[rose rune]

Or botw

[honest garden]

They need to be intelligent in the way players interact with areas and put in more effort to make them look nice

[rose rune]

If they tried they could probably do it... but I feel like there was little effort put into it

[honest garden]

There were no areas in SV (with the exception of one) that felt like they really wanted it to be exciting

And because of the mode of transport you interact with them all in the same way

[rose rune]

"I'll just climb this wall and glide through it all"

[honest garden]

But yeah any discussion of Pokémon is hindered by the yearly release stuff

Only so much that can be done

[rose rune]

I tend to hate the characters in the games

[remote coral]

Who tf is the man marked by flames

[honest garden]

Saul

[rose rune]

Dave

[honest garden]

I like some of the new characters

[dense rapids]

Yes

[remote coral]

It's barbell

[honest garden]

Some pokemon have good synergy with their trainers too, the main few in ZA are designed well in that way. The writing is extremely obnoxious though

[rose rune]

Oh for sure, but there's always one that's important to the story and in a lot of cutscenes that I dislike

[remote coral]

I liked carmine and kieran

[honest garden]

Is Kieran the scrafty one?

[rose rune]

I hated Kieran

And Hop

[honest garden]

Whichever one has scrafty is fucking insufferable and anyone who can relate to him in any extent should be embarassed

[rose rune]

Oh god I hated Hop

[honest garden]

Hop was like nothing

[rose rune]

Noo... he had a different name

[honest garden]

As forgettable as a side NPC

[rose rune]

He was so annoying, I wanted to punch him every time he opened his mouth

[honest garden]

He left no impression on me

[remote coral]

Keiran was the rival in teal mask and Indio disc

[honest garden]

Underrated shit character in pokemon is the protagonist

[rose rune]

Does nothing but smile and nod

[bold sonnet]

The yapping dude 😭

I hated that guy, too

[rose rune]

Exactly!!

[honest garden]

And the dialogue choices is just

[rose rune]

He never shut up

[honest garden]

Why fucking bother

'Hi how are you!' 'Good' 'I'm good'

[urban kiln]

@honest garden cant talk about ZA outside #1045233711005839410

[pseudo gulch]

Cause of death: talked about ZA in #also-manga

https://tenor.com/view/thom-gif-gif-22589646

[urban kiln]

[twin knoll]

https://media.discordapp.net/stickers/1300610349313167500.gif

[dense haven]

yall liked the chapter?

[honest garden]

Yes

The Harald and Ida stuff is nice

[vital heart]

I liked the Loki scene

[twin knoll]

hes become everyone favs

[late compass]

my one piece theory is that one piece is gonna end and bumgoku’s feats will still only be eating crackers and petting his goat

[barren token]

Why did imu throw for no reason

Like he couldn't wait a bit longer to ease harold into the whole army to crush the wgs enemies thing

First order was a ballsy move

[vital heart]

fr

frog boiling water type shit

[rose rune]

Eating cracker's dead body you mean

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-whole-cake-island-charlotte-cracker-facepalm-gif-16462484

[snow locust]

Not like Harald had put up much resistance before tbf

[pseudo gulch]

Are you still surprised by Imu and the WG's incompetence

Every chapter that comes out I'm more and more baffled at how they're still in power

[rose rune]

Stay in power by using their power

Is what I'd say if Imu actually did that

[pseudo gulch]

It's like they're actively trying to see how bad they can fuck up without losing their power

[bold sonnet]

It's the Saturn thing all over again

Bro could have just simply waited for him to come back

But nope

"I will execute Saturn right there and then"

[rose rune]

You gotta fry them while the anger is fresh

[bold sonnet]

No imu emote. Server fell off 🥀

[pseudo gulch]

Speaking of Saturn, I still have no idea why he held Bonney in his hand and ordered the marines to shoot her when he could've just killed her himself right there

[rose rune]

👁️ 👁️

[pseudo gulch]

Like at that point you deserve to die

[bold sonnet]

😂

Guys, shoot her while I hold her

[muted hedge]

is there really no Imu emote?

[pseudo gulch]

We don't even know what he looks like

[muted hedge]

i'd figure the eye would've been an emote

[bold sonnet]

Inkmu

[pseudo gulch]

If anything we should complain there's no Rocks emote

[muted hedge]

🪨

[pseudo gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/lil-yachty-drake-gif-21712801

[rose rune]

He recently woke up, so his hands had a weak grip

[bold sonnet]

Someone edit a porcupine and call it rocks for an emote

[rose rune]

This is rocks btw

[bold sonnet]

Fat rocks

[muted hedge]

i wonder how Teech got the haircolor he has

given both Eris and Rocks seem to have had the lighter tones hair

[thorny peak]

rocks prob colored part of his hair

[bold sonnet]

Genes prolly skipped a generation

[rose rune]

For sympathy obviously

[muted hedge]

if so, then he made a good choice

his hair is quite cool

[bold sonnet]

Reminds me of this... hold on...

Hidden slavic ancestry

[shell scroll]

Equal exchange by losing some teeth

[dense haven]

month break btw

[ashen perch]

unfortunately no, its just a week

he needs a month, maybe even months long break atp

[sly belfry]

What has he done to deserve a months break

[solemn reef]

Month long break for drawing pictures

[ashen perch]

yes

[solemn reef]

Bro gets a break every 2 weeks

[ashen perch]

he couldnt even finish the chapter in time once again lol

its clear that he isnt well

[sly belfry]

Obviously he needs to work more if the work isnt finished

[ashen perch]

"drawing pictures" ngl you might be an idiot man idk what to tell you

[solemn reef]

It is that tho

He doesn’t even colour them

I can understand if he’s sick

[ashen perch]

you genuinely have no clue about the effort it takes lol, you have never picked up a pen if you're being so dismissive like this

and to do that week in and week out for 28 years, without a single major hiatus

while his health is deteriorating currently too

[solemn reef]

Nothing crazy

[ashen perch]

you got it man

[solemn reef]

Most people work their ass off making pennies

At least he makes millions

[ashen perch]

Mangaka are known for being severely underpaid anyways, but it doesn't matter. Thats not gonna help him draw, thats not gonna make him any younger at 51

[solemn reef]

Ur telling me Oda is underpaid

[ashen perch]

yeah

[solemn reef]

His estimated net worth don’t know if it’s true is around 250 million

[ashen perch]

Kimetsu no Yaiba was the biggest thing coming out of Japan for 3 years straight and its author was revealed to have only received a fraction of the revenue

thats how it just goes

[solemn reef]

At least he’s not broke

Or jobless

[ashen perch]

well sure yea, he is still pretty rich but again, thats not gonna make him younger lol

[solemn reef]

No one remains young

[ashen perch]

His output is deteriorating because he can't keep up with the schedule anymore, he is not taking these breaks for fun lmao. He would physically breakdown if he wasnt.

and even then, its starting to feel like even this schedule isnt enough atp

[muted hedge]

if it was up to Oda he wouldn't take a single break until it was finished

his health just doesn't allow for that

[solemn reef]

Well then he should quit smoking

[ashen perch]

yeah his breaks were forced upon him by his editor lol

[solemn reef]

Ngl at least he’s still doing it

Bruh Oda is only 50

[jade rain]

Don't they also get money from the movies?, they must have received some because of IP

[ashen perch]

the movie thing is crazier, I am pretty sure she got like 3% of the Mugen Train revenue or something like that

dont know about the newer ones, but even Crunchyroll reported on how crazy that was

[ashen perch]

"only 50" is horrible for mangaka lol

again, you have no idea how rough it is for them, youre focusing on the money only

the average mangaka life expectancy is atleast 20 years shorter than the average man's life expectancy

[solemn reef]

Yes but Oda is a famous mangaka

[ashen perch]

its very well documented

[solemn reef]

Compared to those unknown managakas he has more privileges

[ashen perch]

these arent unknown guys lol

[solemn reef]

15.36 million is not bad

[jade rain]

I just googled it and it turns out they don't earn much from movies BO and only a small flat fee, but they do earn a lot from merchandise and manga sales so for popular mangaka's it's a lot

[ashen perch]

yeah movies have an upfront fee they get

but nothing much from the direct revenue

that goes to the studios

merch and manga sales yeah, thats their main source

[solemn reef]

I mean if it wasent for The studio demon slayer wouldn’t have had it’s success

So the mangaka

[ashen perch]

but again, money is besides the point lol, Oda is the most famous and richest mangaka but thats not magically helping him out in drawing the series

just now how it works

[solemn reef]

Yes that’s his job

[ashen perch]

man why did I even bother

[solemn reef]

Yeah his job makes him millions so he shouldn’t be complaining

[ashen perch]

youre looking at stories of these guys literally dying decades before the average man

but money is still your sole focus

[solemn reef]

If money wasent Odas focus he should just quit

[ashen perch]

[jade rain]

I'm happy we don't have a george rr Martin situation for one piece? Let oda take the rest he needs and complete the story one day

[snow locust]

Why would money even be your focus when you’re 50 and already a multimillionaire

[solemn reef]

So what is his focus then

[last scaffold]

When Zoro won the battle against king at wano
What's that thing that comes in zoro's dream?

[solemn reef]

To complete the manga

[snow locust]

Probably artistic vision and being with his family

He already has more money than he could spend before he dies

[solemn reef]

So quit his job and focus on those things

[snow locust]

His artistic vision is his job

Wdym

[solemn reef]

Oh so why complain

That’s his focus then

[snow locust]

I didn’t complain

Idk what you’re talking abt

[solemn reef]

So why bring it up

[snow locust]

Read

[solemn reef]

[solemn reef]

Yeah my bad

It doesn’t matter

I guess Odas health is stopping him from completing his focus

[icy wolf]

money always the goal

[snow locust]

Maybe if he’s trying to leave generational wealth and just doesn’t care abt life

But he’s already old and has enough money

[unique lagoon]

you can never have enough moneys

[dense haven]

work culture in japan is just all sorts of fucked up

[icy wolf]

its the truth

i dont get this conversation tho whats the point

are we saying op is a cash grab or something

[hasty sable]

Yeah kinda

[dense haven]

odas greed sickens me

[snow locust]

Japan is a cash grab

[stray prism]

man

[pseudo gulch]

https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/s/wplL2eLa8r

It probably has already been shared here already

But it's funny

There's something wrong with that man

And I'm not talking about Harald

[digital spear]

Oda cant handle scaling humans, bigger humans, giants, ancient giants, even bigger creatures and giant buildings

its too much for him

[dense haven]

hack

[lofty fern]

My thing is Pangea is actually that freaking big

Though considering how big the Elders can transform and Imu can get even bigger? I guess it has to be

[cold steppe]

That makes since if the that's imu on the left in the mural

[lofty fern]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-imu-and-the-gorosei-monster-forms-chasing-sabo-one-piece-one-piece-anime-one-piece-animated-gifs-onr-piece-the-holy-land-raid-gif-11747943956303055288

I can see why this took so long

[twin knoll]

amd harald also can enter that building

and

[lofty fern]

Poor regular sized humans that have to clean that place

Luffy and company had to be carried in order to get around Harald's castle. Pangea is bigger by this comparison

[iron oriole]

The massive doors of the castle have little doors in them for the normal sized people to use

[twin knoll]

maybe oda should draw the details of pangea

[dark nymph]

oda is.. a hack

[lofty fern]

Yeah, but what about the people that have to dust and mop the floors? Or just get from one end of the castle to the other?

[cold steppe]

Or maybe the answer is a simple one. Imu is a squatter

[lofty fern]

I think he pretty much built the place, so yeah it's his

[grand flower]

https://tenor.com/view/kendrickcreepysmile-kendrick-lamar-smile-gif-11906780407366638029

[grand flower]

I feel like I’ve seen you say this phrase a lot

[ashen perch]

I swear its the first time I have said it

here atleast

1 result smh

[grand flower]

Let’s talk in private

[ashen perch]

or maybe the lunarians did

I mean the empty throne is too big for Imu too, he doesnt really belong there

[lofty fern]

They don't seem to be that big themselves. Imu gets much bigger

Also, the palace doesn't look to be over 1000 years old

[ashen perch]

eh it doesnt look 800 years old either but it just is

[lofty fern]

Imu likes the cushy comfort of his big chair

[ashen perch]

Imu does get much bigger but its not like thats how he looks in his base

[lofty fern]

He could make himself bigger to fill it out, but nah

[tough igloo]

yeah didn’t WB say they used to live up there ? I wouldnt be surprised if the CDs didn’t build any off that stuff in mariejois and just took it over lol

[ashen perch]

you could put 3 Imus onto the throne

and they'd fit in

[ashen perch]

yeaa

[lofty fern]

I have to think the freezer and flower room and such are Imu's own. I could see some of those romanesque buildings belonging to the Lunarians though

[tough igloo]

CDs so lazy and entitled i don’t see them building anything … i think at most they just added the swords around the throne lol

[vale gust]

they definitely didnt

[iron oriole]

CDs don't build anyway, thats what slaves are for

[tough igloo]

wouldn’t be surprised if lunairan’s were the ones who built all of mariejois then just got kicked out by the CDs

CDs might’ve added a few decorations like the swords around the throne and the throne itself lol

[lofty fern]

Not sure about that, there's not that much more room on the seat. Plus we know the empty throne specifically is only as old as the WG is

[lofty fern]

I was about to say that

[ashen perch]

well maybe 2 I guess

[vale gust]

is this the most we have heard imu speak in a chapter ?

[tough igloo]

either this or when talking to rocks at god valley

[vale gust]

also i dont remember imu speaking like thsi before lol, except refering to itself as mu

is this a translation thing ?

[lofty fern]

Also, Lunarians aren't that big, what would they need with a castle this big? And to be honest, it kinda clashes with the Roman/old Europe look of everything else
I wouldn't be surprised if Pangea castle is actually the only new thing in the place

[lofty fern]

He spoke way more with Cobra

[pine scaffold]

why does Imu have no eyes here

is it just an error

[lofty fern]

He talked like whole paragraphs

Imu only said about 5 lines here

[lofty fern]

He's far away, though the chapter is unfinished, so very possible

[iron oriole]

Closed

[vale gust]

oh?

i thought it looked sketchy

[lofty fern]

You really begin to notice the sketchiness about this part of the chapter

[vale gust]

about the end of the flashback now ig, only 2-3 chapters i estimate

[lofty fern]

Imu's eyes are his most defining feature, so they take the longest

[vale gust]

yall think elbaf gonna be over by 1200 ?

[lofty fern]

Yeah, Oda wasn't able to finish. You can tell when the line from the floor is coming through like this and such

Ethan's face is basically lines

[icy wolf]

its really hard to say imo

it still feels like theres so much we need in elbaf

but imu is already here

i feel like we gotta see urouge

and the entire heaven realm

brook and gunko backstory

usopp development

[lofty fern]

hard to tell, it depends on if we still go into flashback about Loki's life after harald, which is possible. And then how long the fight will be on Elbaph . 32 more chapters isn't a big ask.

[vale gust]

yall gotta let urouge go man

[vale gust]

ts also

[icy wolf]

not really bro its pretty obvious we’ll see urouge again

[vale gust]

we will see him but hes not gonna be relevant

[icy wolf]

idk if he will be relevant or not

[lofty fern]

Urouge isn't happening, but the Heaven realm is interesting. The giants don't bury their dead there, the elders and royalty don't live there, so what else is up there?
Brook and Gunko might be saved for later.
Usopp may get a smidge with Dorry and Broggy but I'm not expecting much

[iron oriole]

Oda wont forget Urouge

He remembers the Florian Traingle shadows & shit

Urouge is easy to remember

[vale gust]

if usopp was gonna get some development (idk what exactly that would be) it would have been setup since the start of the arc.

[icy wolf]

we need robin to see the mural and the strawhats to see the X on luffys arm

[icy wolf]

it is tho

[lofty fern]

I have this sneaking suspicion that Brook might go with Gunko back to the holy land

[icy wolf]

when usopp was too much of a bitch to beat a cat luffy was hyping him up

[vale gust]

he might get some cool moments but a sanji style arc aint happening

[lofty fern]

The X might be one of those things that they might never see until it's too late. It's just to show Vivi will arrive on Elbaph, which I'm sure Imu will be delighted by

[lofty fern]

SBS time

[iron oriole]

Vivi will meet them in the Heaven realm

Where Urouge will also be

[remote maple]

who is that?

[iron oriole]

Don't say i never told you

[icy wolf]

urouge being in heaven realm makes sense to me

[lofty fern]

I don't think even Morgans ship can get that high

[iron oriole]

Morgans ship is literally up in the clouds

[grand flower]

Facts

[grand flower]

And Urouge has already made it to Sky island heights

[lofty fern]

People just need Urouge for some reason. Probably the same people that said Big Mom had to be in this arc

[icy wolf]

nah bro its because we’ve seen the strawhats interact with every other supernova, theres clearly a pattern

[lofty fern]

The Heaven realm is way higher than that. The clouds is basically the Sun realm level

Remember they were bouncing on them?

[grand flower]

What a novel concept: wanting cool characters to come back

[iron oriole]

Okay & if Morgans can reach clouds he can certainly go higher

[grand flower]

Morgans flies on balloons

Doesnr he?

Balloons went to the moon

[iron oriole]

Kinda...

[lofty fern]

You do know certain modes of transport can only go so high right?

[iron oriole]

Bro, Ark Maxim went to the moon

Morgans ship is reaching the Heaven Realm

[lofty fern]

Morgans is not going there

[ashen perch]

do we know if the Elders dont live there? I know Jarul didnt but who knows about the rest

[iron oriole]

Exactly, he's going much much lower

[grand flower]

Okay now show us how you know Morgans can’t go that high

[lofty fern]

I'm pretty sure they don't, they seem to be easily accessable to harald and the villages, I think they live with everyone else

[grand flower]

??? Because Harald can’t go to the heaven realm?

What are these leaps in logic

[lofty fern]

Heaven realm?

[ashen perch]

eh I dont know if the Heaven Realm is difficult to access for anyone, it could be easily accessible

we just have so little info on it lol

[lofty fern]

No one seems to go there or even mention going there

Its very interesting

Maybe it's like a sacred place

[ashen perch]

but it wasnt difficult to go from underworld to sun realm and vice versa, I reckon its the same for Heaven Realm

[iron oriole]

And this is why we will

[icy wolf]

when were we told about the elbaf elders

[ashen perch]

well, no one seems to even mention it at all, its only been mentioned ONCE

the Elbaf elders were first brought up during the flashback

[iron oriole]

Back when Harald met Ida & wanted to marry her

[lofty fern]

They've always been mentioned since Big Mom's flashback

[ashen perch]

oh I guess yea

[icy wolf]

i dont remember at all

have we seen them

[iron oriole]

Not properly

[ashen perch]

they have been silhouetted

[iron oriole]

Only Jarul & Jorul

[lofty fern]

And people forget Jorul and Jarul are our first elders

[icy wolf]

jarul and jorul are the elders?

[iron oriole]

They are elders yes

Jarul is the oldest Giant

At like 410 or something

[lofty fern]

They are 2 of them

[iron oriole]

Jorul dead now though

[icy wolf]

do we know how many or nah

[iron oriole]

Idt so

[lofty fern]

No

[iron oriole]

Tbh it makes sense that every village has an Elder

[ashen perch]

well we saw 4 silhouettes

add Jarul and thats 5

[unique lagoon]

we havent seen the actual elders
only silhouette
i think theres 4 of em? 5?

jarul dint look like any of those shadows

[lofty fern]

It probably is more those guys were just a representative of them

[iron oriole]

Jarul is one of them bro

He's literally THE oldest Giant, you cant get more Eldee than that

[ashen perch]

very specific silhouettes

[urban lodge]

Imagine how evil the elder from Estrid's village is

[unique lagoon]

also jarul said hes too old for politics = not part of elders

[ashen perch]

4 here too

[unique lagoon]

jarul can be just an advisor i guess
the wisdom guy

[grand flower]

They look like some ugly sons of bitches

[lofty fern]

It would make sense if each village has one, since they mentioned the villages talk to the elders first. The Elders are the ones doing most of the day to day governing, which is why Harald could do a lot more diplomatic stuff

[ashen perch]

I think we saw them again after that but they were 4 there too

Idk, I am just thinking if theres SOMETHING at Heaven Realm, maybe its these weird ass Elders

[unique lagoon]

yeah dont think hes part of that circle

[lofty fern]

I think that was more a term of expression. Like when you say "you're much too old for this crap". He's obviously still in politics. He basically took over as regent since Harald died

[unique lagoon]

maybe they value his input

[ashen perch]

Jarul basically had to get involved in politics

with Harald's death

I am sure he legitimately wasnt involved before that, but that isnt the case right now

[lofty fern]

I think Harald kept calling him for a reason, not just for advice

He probably didn't do a lot, but he's more than likely on par with any elder

He's probably the biggest elder since he was the one who took over and any challenges didn't last

[ashen perch]

well he is the eldest elder too, so I guess his experience puts him ahead of them

[unique lagoon]

yeah i think this is pretty clear hes retired

[lofty fern]

He also probably keeps Harald's policies alive. If it was up to the others, Elbaph would fall back to the way it was

[unique lagoon]

maybe back then he was an elder sure

[iron oriole]

He's still an Elder

[ashen perch]

this is 14 years ago though, he is the de-facto king now

[iron oriole]

You don't just stop being an Elder

[unique lagoon]

by elder i mean one of the 4 we have seen

[ashen perch]

oh yea, I am sure Jarul isnt one of those 4

[lofty fern]

Actually, that makes it sound like the opposite. "He's rather" means that he still is, but he wants to leave it to the younger if he could

[ashen perch]

he is good, Oda has presented those elders as pretty fucked up

[unique lagoon]

im stil waiting if oda will whip them out
now that island is being invaded

[ashen perch]

Harald has been close to Jarul, he has talked with him multiple times. He's the only elder he trusts lol

[lofty fern]

I'm very sure there are more than 4, Oda just draws 4 cartoon shadows since its easier drawing a representation than all the giant elders as a whole.

[unique lagoon]

yeah i think its 4

[lofty fern]

Jarul was probably the only elder in Harald's corner

[unique lagoon]

how many village been introduced again

[ashen perch]

like 5?

[lofty fern]

Brewers, Hunters, the main one, the Artisans, there's been more I just have to go back

[ashen perch]

Western Village, Brewers Village, Hunters Village, Craftsman and Fisherman?

thats probably it

oh there was Haugen Village too, but was

[unique lagoon]

ok so is there a northern southern western eastern village
and multiple villages under it?

[ashen perch]

dont think so

the western village is just like the main one

[lofty fern]

I think they are their own villages, they're just very uncreative in their naming

[iron oriole]

Western village is the village of warriors

[ashen perch]

yeah

[lofty fern]

All of them have warriors

[ashen perch]

nah its called specifically that I am pretty sure

[iron oriole]

This is specific

[lofty fern]

Huh, interesting

Maybe many famous ones were born there or something

[unique lagoon]

each one got their own specialty

[iron oriole]

Its probably where the best of the best came from yeah

[unique lagoon]

like the hunter village might be good with hunting bot not actual warriors for war

[iron oriole]

Carpenter Village or whatever it was has the best Giant shipwrights & so on

[unique lagoon]

tho im not sure if back then all of them are warriors

like every village is setup for war

[hot cairn]

wdym

[lofty fern]

Before Harald's shift, everyone practiced war to some degree.

[iron oriole]

Elbaf as a whole is a nation of warriors but each village also has specific speciality

[lofty fern]

They had plenty of civil wars and Western village didn't just conquer all the others

Though that could be how Harald's family became the ruling family

[lofty fern]

Yeah Elbaph basically was a bunch of little village-states, probably led by the elders, with Harald trying to keep everything united. Which is why he can't anger the elders, because if you anger one and they leave, the others can take offense and pull their villages and the country begins to unravel

[iron oriole]

That is during a time of a famine tbf

Kill or be killed basically

[rich hornet]

I had kind of expected Harald to do everything he did with an implicit understanding that the WG were bad. But the reveal that he really didn’t expect any wrongdoing until the last moment makes him look hopelessly naive

[stone terrace]

Harald is a really really bad politician

[lofty fern]

Yeah, but the narrator states that even before the famine, at this time, Elbaph was like that. Little cohesion with everyone pretty independent. It's why the famine was so bad

[unique lagoon]

he manage to be friends with other nations at least
give the man some credit
also yes hes stupid

[lofty fern]

He was actually an excellent politician. If you go by his track record and not just your opinion about his dealing with the WG

The only reason he even had people to help during that famine was SOLELY on his diplomatic efforts

[unique lagoon]

he just mastered the ability to ignore all the redflags

[stone terrace]

Good king bad politician

You cant be a good politician without a healthy dose of cynicism

Which is why he got trampled over

Good in quotation marks because he kind of almost got his country sold out

[royal orchid]

I deserve it ahh

[unique lagoon]

herald might have done the biggest blunder ever in OP

prob beat ace now

[wraith mantle]

All*

[royal orchid]

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[vestal heath]

Good morning

[lofty fern]

Harald in a single giant's lifetime, changed his entire country's infrastructure, he built roads, connected villages, kept the peace, increased trade, set up an educational system, handled international diplomacy all on his own.
Considering where he started, as an uneducated thug?
That's impressive.

[wet condor]

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[wet condor]

Yeah this is the good stuff he did

[lofty fern]

If you compare him to any other king we've seen, he's done the most out of all of them

[wet condor]

A lot of the good kings in OP are good people but they don't really have what it takes to be heads of state and good politicians in the real world

[hot cairn]

I see, he probably was just blinded by his crusade

[royal orchid]

I know we wouldn't be bashing Harald as bad as we do if we knew just as much as him, but did he really forget every single warning Xebec gave him?

[wet condor]

Well it's not just that lol

[unique lagoon]

so called best friends btw

i dont think oda knows what best friends mean

same with SH not talking to each other

[urban lodge]

He's so based for not listening to that bum

[royal orchid]

killed by his own family and doomed the country because he didn't listen to the goat

[urban lodge]

The country was doing fine

[wet condor]

His big lumbering bald-headed ass doesn't even seriously contemplate why there is a person on the Empty Throne, the throne that is supposed to be symbolic of no one person ruling over all others. A person who tells Harald that the fate of his nation is not in his own hands, but me — the guy sitting on the throne

[wraith mantle]

Rocks is forever goated

[lofty fern]

He didn't have a reason to listen to him. Rocks wanted hm for his own ends in order to take down the world which would be the opposite of what Harald wanted. He had no reason to think that anything Rocks said wasn't just to convince him

[unique lagoon]

instead of honoring his best buddys memory
he went against his buddys goal

[dark nymph]

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[wraith mantle]

Ngl sometimes I don’t feel bad for harald

[unique lagoon]

oh i dont feel bad about him at all

mf had it coming

same with ace

[wraith mantle]

Rocks been screaming in his face about this and he just doesn’t listen

[urban lodge]

If he listened to Xebec his country would have starved to death during the famine

[royal orchid]

perhaps glue...

[lofty fern]

At that point even if he did, what was he supposed to do? He can't turn back

[iron oriole]

Morgan Trueman digivolve to!!! Morgan Super Trueman!

[royal orchid]

khalid you're doing aura and hype moments

[urban lodge]

Can we stop talking about that chopped bastard now that he's 6 feet under

[wraith mantle]

How

[unique lagoon]

if elbaf allied with rocks
then they just go on doing piracy and they can have all the resources they want

win win

[royal orchid]

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[iron oriole]

Sorry Penny, we have until EOS

[royal orchid]

one piece can't stop talking about him

[urban lodge]

😔

[iron oriole]

In every "top tier" convo, his name shall appear

[wraith mantle]

Rightfully so

Rocks is top 5 of all time

[wet condor]

I do feel bad for him because I got sympathy for decent people. He's a magnanimous king but he's also just gullible to a fault and so you can't help but think "really nigga" when you see a bunch of the shit he does

[unique lagoon]

its kinda sad we dint see any progress of xebec looking for the second DF

[lofty fern]

Morj did have a nice talk about that yesterday. How people love Rocks so much that they don't want to acknowledge how many bad elements he had to himself and his plan and they also forget how amazing of a king Harald is, because they want to take Rocks side and they consider everything from the viewer's pov

[thin quest]

Morj?

[wraith mantle]

He’s an ignoramus king

[unique lagoon]

like who will reveal the info about how rocks knew about the 2 DF now

mfs dead

narrator i guess

[iron oriole]

I think the idea is that he never really got a proper chance to ig?

[lofty fern]

I'll be the first to talk crap about Morj, but when he makes a point, he makes a point

[hazy turret]

I’ve never seen you criticize a character this hard

[wet condor]

At least think about it

[unique lagoon]

i mean for us readers
just a bit of info wont hurt tease it a bit you know

[stone terrace]

I really dislike when people bring up rocks ngl

Because there is a middle ground

[iron oriole]

Yeah i get it

[rich hornet]

Yeah no doubt

[thin quest]

if it ain't LunaPien/D&D I'm not watching it

[wet condor]

Because I like him quite a bit but I hate how gullible he is lol

[unique lagoon]

making me think oda has no idea how it works yet so he just ignores it for now

[lofty fern]

Maybe he did. he obviously brought it up. But again, at that point he has no interest really in WG politics only in what the WG can do for elbaph. Plus in his mind, he's paying the price himself and is going to leave Elbaph to others. Basically cutting him off and any consequences that happen to him from the nation.

[tough igloo]

maybe he saving it for Teach flashback .. Eris could say Rocks just never found it & tells Teach to don’t start his real goal until he finds it unlike his pops

[wraith mantle]

I hope rocks says to harald “I told you so” when they meet in heaven

[urban lodge]

Rocks is not going to heaven bro

[unique lagoon]

makes sense
but wont stop me wanting a bit of info

[tough igloo]

I lowkey think once Rocks had his family his drive just wasn’t the same anymore so maybe he kinda stopped looking for it

[wraith mantle]

He will

[iron oriole]

He's a good boy wdym?

[wraith mantle]

Pirate heaven

[stone terrace]

I think making a deal with the devil, kind of automatically disqualifies you for making it to heaven

[carmine schooner]

There's a panel where its literally said 9 villages destroyed or some shit when rocks and his crew visited that area

[lofty fern]

It's gullible from our perspective, but I not everyone is going to question everything, especially when they're that desperate. Its the looking a gift horse in the mouth idea.
Not saying he shouldn't have looked at things closer, but even in his desperation, Harald is a great king

[unique lagoon]

all those time rocks dint even mention the DF to herald

really odd

[iron oriole]

He probably didn't want Harald thinking thats all he wanted

[tough igloo]

yeah that is odd , we only ever see him talk about Harald joining him but never asking about the DF

[unique lagoon]

he had so many opportunities
i feel like oda offscreened that convo

[lofty fern]

He only had his family for a like a year before his death

[wraith mantle]

Intentions are what determines if you go to heaven or not

[iron oriole]

Harald was his actual friend, if he just brings up the legendary DF it's kinda like "oh so thats what you was really after"

[tough igloo]

i know , i’m just saying once he had his family i don’t think he cared about his goal as much as he did before

he was content with just having a family and never accomplishing his goal imo

[wraith mantle]

Harald had good intentions and he didn’t particularly harm innocent people

Intentionally anyways

[unique lagoon]

that just opens up if they will ever talk about it in the first place

[hazy turret]

[lofty fern]

I don't think Rocks really shared as much of his plan with Harald as people think he did. People keep being surprised Harald doesn't know stuff because "surely Rocks told him", but I don't think so.

[iron oriole]

Personally think Rocks would have brought it up only if Harald decided to join him

[unique lagoon]

ill headcanon this and say oda offscreened the DF convo

[iron oriole]

Like he wanted the DF but only if Harald ate it, so unless he joins theres no reason to talk about it

[lofty fern]

Eh, I think he was. He just made a decision to make them the priority when this particular incident happened. But I think his goal was just as important to him. He still wanted to live and carry out his goals even unto his death

[grand flower]

I wonder why the nation isolated from the rest of the world doesnt talk about Mihawk

[unique lagoon]

theres also a scene missing before rocks got stab
when ray and gabban saved roger and garp

[grand flower]

Dumbest fandom to ever exist man

[unique lagoon]

some shit def was revealed there

[wraith mantle]

Sybau Shuron

[lofty fern]

Hard to be the strongest in the world when there are whole pockets of the world that haven't even been tested against you yet

[wraith mantle]

True

[thin quest]

Ethan Baron is a former Wano samurai who opposed the WG and when Joyboy lost was forced to make the Deep-Deep contract

Deep-Deep contracts erase your memories

the proof is Gunko

[wraith mantle]

Ethan is the true WSS

[urban lodge]

I like the idea that Nusjuro is from the previous royal family of Wano before the Kozukis

[unique lagoon]

i already forgot the names of the 3 contracts already

that works

[iron oriole]

Shallows, Depths, Abyssal

[unique lagoon]

herald got depth?

[lofty fern]

That's a pretty big jump. I consider Ethan to be like Sakazuku or Fujitora. He's not from Wano, but he just has a very Japanese name. And half his name is English, so he's obviously foreign

[iron oriole]

He got upgraded to Depths yeah

[thin quest]

no he's definitely from Wano

[iron oriole]

Started with Shallows

[unique lagoon]

ok
and we have no idea who has the abyssal yet?

[thin quest]

he knew about Wano being closed

[tough igloo]

gorosei

[unique lagoon]

we can assume all gorosei i guess

[tough igloo]

i would assume

[iron oriole]

Presumably Gorosei + Gunko

[urban lodge]

His sword is also from Wano

[iron oriole]

Gunko is a ?

[lofty fern]

His last name is Ethanbaron...

[iron oriole]

50/50

[thin quest]

It's a fake name like Gunko

[tough igloo]

yeah since Gunko seemingly doesn’t age anymore she probably has that abyss contract too for some other reason

[unique lagoon]

good bet sommers has abyssal also
cuz tat

[thin quest]

Gunko is not a real Mannamaier

[lofty fern]

Gunko is hard to tell

[thin quest]

she's from the West Blue

[wraith mantle]

Source?

[thin quest]

she was obviously born in the West Blue

[iron oriole]

General idea atm is Sommers & Killingham have Depths & the tat is just Sommers wanted a tat

[wraith mantle]

Because of the Brook thing?

[lofty fern]

She also could have visited the West Blue? Also Brook didn't have to stay in the West Blue his whole life

[urban lodge]

Yeah Gunko is likely a fake name, it's written in kanji, which is unusual for non-Wano characters and it means something like military child

[wraith mantle]

Maybe she was visiting on one of them hunting games

[unique lagoon]

what you mean sommers just wanted a tat

feels like a copout

[thin quest]

tell them

[tough igloo]

yeah Sommers is just probably a tattoo , not a abyss contract

he has the deep deep sea band on his arm

[unique lagoon]

but why

where is that coming from

[iron oriole]

It looks too much to be the mark imo

[unique lagoon]

i dontknow what this means
its too obv = not abyssal ?

[thin quest]

yeah I think he was the greatest samurai of the void century and when the original Kozuki swordsmith made Kitetsu it was given to Nusjuro

[tough igloo]

we see sommers has the HK band/mark on his arm like the other HKs

[unique lagoon]

wait yeah the arm band

[dense haven]

we only ever saw sommers forearm right?