also-manga

[lofty fern]

A look alike

I think that's a boy even

[olive sigil]

I think oda simply forgot

[lofty fern]

Collun is currently 20 so 15 years ago, he's only 5, Ylva is probably 5 or 6 or 7, would would at most make her like 2 in human years

[fallen meteor]

5 or what

[lofty fern]

But yeah, Oda forgot again

[lofty fern]

Don't

[olive sigil]

At 2 people can stand up

[hazy turret]

If it was me there, I would’ve kicked him over like a garden gnome

[olive sigil]

Maybe ylva has ancient giant blood

[lofty fern]

I'd believe it, if a year from Ida's death, Collun didn't still look like this

Giants grow so slow 😭

[stone terrace]

Odementia

[fallen meteor]

eh this is all hard to gauge since if you put a little helmet he could still be a 2 years old baby walking around

[lofty fern]

That baby can't walk yet, that's why she's cradling him

[fast pagoda]

How old is Collun in human years?

[lofty fern]

It doesn't even look like he can sit up (which is weird)

[fast pagoda]

Like 5 or 6?

[fallen meteor]

what the fuck is this link

[lofty fern]

Now or back then?

[fast pagoda]

Now

I feel like Oda is very inconsistent with Giant aging

[lofty fern]

Almost 7

[fast pagoda]

Like Jarul

[lofty fern]

Collun is basically what Luffy was in the ASL flashback

[fast pagoda]

Yeah

[celest mauve]

hmm

[fast pagoda]

I do hope Oda explains this

[muted marsh]

Hed have been a Marine still wym

[fast pagoda]

Like what did Saul even tell him when he arrived to Elbaph with the books

[muted marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/special-delivery-delivery-patrick-starfish-sponge-bob-square-pants-gif-13189973

[fast pagoda]

Yeah probably

But like did he not explain the tragedy of Ohara

[undone sundial]

Where does all the human sized books come from? Why are you full of scars and missing a leg?

[vestal heath]

Hru?

[muted marsh]

Was Harald still around by the time Saul made it to Elbaph? And if so Saul himself also wasnt very aware/lucid to the broader agenda of the WG outside of the Ohara incident exclusively

[fast pagoda]

Yeah thats probably the explanation

[cloud ember]

dude I want nicotine but Luffy would be disappointed in me

https://tenor.com/view/luffy-ed-gif-4238134136138479826

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[hallow herald]

@random hinge Oda’s definitely an egg right

[cloud ember]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-sanji-ep1107-funny-gif-6000318421656694977

[hallow herald]

hitting this blunt on ur behalf, ill be the king of nicotine if thats what it takes

[cloud ember]

the egg on shanks ship is Oda

[scenic dirge]

Harald is also almost certainly being portrayed as a bit of a naive and overly idealistic ruler given the context

[cloud ember]

theres no defending Hair Old but theres also no other option from his POV

[scenic dirge]

Also Urethral assault is a crazy name wtf

[hallow herald]

it feels like the implication is that the Rocks route vs the Harald route is a false dichotomy, neither is enough if they don’t team up

[hallow herald]

nah fr

its definitely a crazy SOUNDING name

[fast pagoda]

Oda is like the opposite of an egg

He's too sexist

[cloud ember]

#manga message

[scenic dirge]

Lmao

[hallow herald]

thats the perfect cover tho

i feel like Vegapunk sealed the deal

this very Oda coded old man whose only human faced personas are young cute girls

story old as time

thats why its called Egghead

[cloud ember]

Hair Old

[hallow herald]

also Sanji canonically having the heart of a woman

[fast pagoda]

If Oda transitions can she start treating female combatants better

[cloud ember]

MORE ROBIN FIGHTS!

sry caps

[hallow herald]

hope so but at 50 he might just go the chris chan route

hope not

[cloud ember]

https://tenor.com/view/stop-no-goofy-ah-schwarzenegger-gif-1499907458817208652

[wet condor]

I hope that at some point he reflects on this

[wet condor]

Colon would punt you

He's the giant

[cloud ember]

mmmmmmm

Robin

[wet condor]

Like right and he's dying, I hope that he actually thinks for a second, "I may've been too trusting and didn't give the warnings from my friends the proper consideration"

[cloud ember]

https://tenor.com/view/nico-robin-picmix-one-piece-picmix-robin-one-piece-robin-one-piece-picmix-nico-robin-one-piece-gif-6770696360999066615

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-robin-robin-one-piece-nico-robin-fanart-gif-6236284445493894645

[fast pagoda]

I would say more than just a bit

[cloud ember]

https://tenor.com/view/heheheheh-fishie-fish-nico-robin-one-piece-silly-gif-14462808752607174864

https://tenor.com/view/batman-batman-retro-retro-batman-batman-tv-batmantv-gif-3795365611262551092

https://tenor.com/view/robin-fe-robin-fire-emblem-fire-emblem-awakening-fe-a-gif-6449053831304987367

[wet condor]

That's certainly how a bunch of people read him. Oda hasn't really delved into it really

[cloud ember]

https://tenor.com/view/american-robin-robin-runs-up-to-camera-bird-birds-bird-runs-up-to-camera-gif-10508164993627747715

[cloud ember]

what makes u more evil than normal buggy?

[fast pagoda]

I mean I think the story makes it clear Harald being too naive about the world government is what lead to this

[random hinge]

no lmfao what

[wet condor]

I don't really see how anyone could read the story and not view Harald as being gullible and naive. But no one really talks to Harald and is like "are you sure you can trust them", "do you expect them to keep their end of the bargain" etc. Rocks is really the only guy that does.

[tranquil blade]

??? no

[fast pagoda]

There's also the scene this chapter with Ida telling Harald he should still respect his culture

[tranquil blade]

What makes you get to that conclusion

[tranquil blade]

Well Harald also doesnt tell the details the most accurately either, someone like Ida probably wouldnt know because when Harald talks to her he probably sugar coats the story

Rocks knows the reality of the government through his own experience though, so he knows Harald is ignorant

[hallow herald]

damn its just me

[fast pagoda]

I mean Harald is at least aware of the government's slavery

and racism

[tranquil blade]

I think is Oda just saying that gender isnt as important as everyone makes it out to be at most, no real implications about himself

[sage temple]

Loki, dying Ida, and Rocks are the only ones who actually spoke against Harald's idiocy

[hallow herald]

word

[hazy turret]

Put me where?

[wet condor]

Read again

[sage temple]

What does egg mean here

[hazy turret]

Learn to type, butterfingers

[tranquil blade]

wow

[digital spear]

Trans person who hasnt come out yet

[hallow herald]

like baby trans

Bon Clay and Iva have always felt like self inserts to me, maybe im projecting

[hazy turret]

They’re putting chemicals in the breast milk to turn the friggin babies trans

[sage temple]

Oh ok

[hallow herald]

Binks Sake is jus estrogen

[tranquil blade]

W Binks W Speed

[fast pagoda]

I think Oda just admires newkama/drag queens

[hazy turret]

W speeeed

[tranquil blade]

https://tenor.com/view/w-speed-ishowspeed-please-speed-i-need-this-my-mom-is-kind-of-homeless-speed-respect-gif-2468087313805501337

[hallow herald]

could be but it feels much more personal especially with Yamato n Kiku

[hazy turret]

I don’t know how to say this but

[urban sluice]

Oda is the alliest to ever ally bro

[hazy turret]

I don’t think putting in characters that aren’t like you is indicative of you

Or who you are

[urban sluice]

when it comes to allying no one did allying like him

[tranquil blade]

I think Oda wants to tackle those ideas to show his stance on them more than anything, maybe because he also realized his previous depictions of queer groups in the past were less than good

[hallow herald]

i dont think that he’s trans just because he writes trans characters

its the WAY he writes them

[fast pagoda]

True, though to be fair it was only the okama queendom

[hallow herald]

like he relates so heavily to their perspective and gives them such noble roles

[tranquil blade]

It might've been but it was pretty awful

[trim lily]

then again it feels like he’s kind of repeating those with yamato

[hazy turret]

Oda does this for like

[tranquil blade]

Like it was basically caricatures

[hallow herald]

i agree fs that its to offset his past depictions

[hazy turret]

All kinds of characters though?

[fast pagoda]

The newkama in Impel Down were not offensive

[tranquil blade]

Well not the newkama

[fast pagoda]

Yeah it was pretty terrible lol

[urban sluice]

you know what since I cant contribute this conversation without talking about yamatos gender ill just start agreeing that oda is trans

[trim lily]

real

[urban sluice]

oda is a transgender woman

on everything

[fast pagoda]

Oda is a they/them

[hallow herald]

it feels different from stuff like him representing racial minorities with the fishmen, but hey maybe its just me

[urban sluice]

PLEASE IMU I NEED THIS

😭

[fast pagoda]

Like Blackbeard

[tranquil blade]

Oda is two people?

I could believe that

[hallow herald]

as a nb person the way he writes Iva feels like wish fulfillment

[cobalt kelp]

Iva is based on a close friend of his

[urban sluice]

hes based on you

[hallow herald]

i would say this too if i was a egg, alls im sayin

[cobalt kelp]

I wish I was friends with Oda

[hazy turret]

I don’t agree I think he’s explored those about the same, the racial stuff with the fishmen is more fleshed out though. But like again, he does this for female characters, orphaned characters, etc. Maybe you’re just really connecting to these characters

[urban sluice]

oh yeah

do you still think shamrock and shanks are the same people

or did u drop tha

[trim lily]

if you go to his door and say hi he might become friends with you

[cobalt kelp]

What's an egg?

[urban sluice]

trans person who hasnt came out

so like

you

[tranquil blade]

If you post his address online for thousands to see he might become your friend -sandman

[cobalt kelp]

Time to learn Japanese

[urban sluice]

wait

[hallow herald]

the Vegapunk thing sealed jt for me. There’s already so much of him in VP it feels rlly significant that half his forms are girls

[urban sluice]

mb gang

[tranquil blade]

what

[cobalt kelp]

Like closeted to most people?

[hallow herald]

or even to themself in some contexts

[fast pagoda]

I do think its hilarious Harald had faith in the world government after witnessing

• The World Nobles owning slaves and making racist remarks to him
• Seeing a mysterious creepy figure sitting on the Empty Throne asking him to put a giant pentagram in the throne room

[cobalt kelp]

I see

[tranquil blade]

Yeah, but sometimes they havent fully realized it yet themselves

[hazy turret]

I don’t know what you want me to say, I think it’s more you projecting on to these characters than Oda is

Projecting not in a bad way

[urban sluice]

can I squirrel react this

[cobalt kelp]

Yeah I just think Oda is a huge ally

[hallow herald]

word

[hazy turret]

Many project on to their favorite characters or characters they relate to

[trim lily]

the god-like figure in charge of an organization like this didn’t have the best intentions with our deal

[hallow herald]

maybe its more related to my theory that his self insert Shanks is an egg

[hazy turret]

Do whatever you want

[cobalt kelp]

But it's nice to like care a lot about characters and relate

It's a great feeling

[urban sluice]

this is how zosan and navi came to be

[hallow herald]

but whateva

[wet condor]

Don't really know the context of the conversation but that does deserve a

[hazy turret]

Many such cases

As I often do

[hallow herald]

prolly

arc is called Egghead, alls im sayin

[cobalt kelp]

[ruby moat]

I project my feelings onto characters but only the good way

[sage temple]

https://tenor.com/view/speed-mad-angry-ishowspeed-sheisty-gif-13492318246358992086

When will shipping end and powerscaling start

[fast pagoda]

Ok this is untrue

Slash shipping has always existed

[hazy turret]

Go away

[ruby moat]

Shipping is unironically better than powerscaling

[fast pagoda]

And you cant deny the characters do have a dynamic that people could enjoy romantically

[fast pagoda]

You should explode lowk

[sage temple]

Patiently waiting

[hallow herald]

who was shipping 😭

[urban sluice]

ugh

the world isnt ready

[hallow herald]

ō this

[sage temple]

Yeah

[urban sluice]

we're still not ready for that take

🤫

mb gang

[hallow herald]

Zoro wants Sanji carnally its obvious

[fast pagoda]

Yeah I dont think we ever will

[sage temple]

Keep that to a minimum please

[fast pagoda]

I dont even really like ZoSan

[ruby moat]

Egghead basically confirmed Zosan

[ruby moat]

If u disagree ur rage baiting

[hallow herald]

get this out my face yo

[trim lily]

this is an incredible image

theres so much depth to it

[fast pagoda]

But like I dont think its crazy to read the Nami and Vivi bath scene and thinking "wow they would be cute together I'm gonna make yuri"

[urban sluice]

alr lets start

kuzan vs kizaru

who do you think will win

[tranquil blade]

The fingers in his mouth make it so much worse

[solid mantle]

look away or close the app

[hazy turret]

Just checking for any cavities

[hallow herald]

YOU close the app nigga

[granite flame]

Kizaru is washed up

[tranquil blade]

Bro is not a dentist

[trim lily]

clearly didnt do a good job considering blackbeard's lost teeth

[tranquil blade]

except those 3 panels where he has all his teeth

[hazy turret]

He’s trying his best :(

[somber flare]

This server lost all of its hostility smh

[granite flame]

Ban Hammer does that

[trim lily]

also manga is in its wholesome era

[ruby moat]

Fuck you

[somber flare]

The Wano days were something else

[sage temple]

Something about Loki

[hallow herald]

cant believe that worked

[tranquil blade]

Wano days were objectively bad

[hallow herald]

oh i got yall dw

[urban sluice]

why was loki one tapped by shanks

[granite flame]

Ida literally just got poisoned and harald bouta get patricided

[solid mantle]

I would, but then you'd miss me

[tranquil blade]

Shit was awful consistently

[hazy turret]

Wano days were the best

[sage temple]

A valid question

[hazy turret]

So full of passion

[sage temple]

Please

[solid mantle]

the agendas were the worst tho

[somber flare]

I swear there was an argument 24/7

[hazy turret]

I would argue about one piece for hours

[hallow herald]

im gonna send the Happo Navy after u dawg

[solid mantle]

and the powerscaling was ass

[fast pagoda]

He's talking about the channel

[ruby moat]

“Zoro can probably beat luffy” type conversations

[fast pagoda]

I first joined this server in 2022 after end of Wano

[granite flame]

I bet most of it was cos people refused to acknowledge that Yamato is a girl

[ruby moat]

Oh brother

[solid mantle]

pull up with the whole navy and the marines I'll be chilling

[hallow herald]

boo this nigga

[hazy turret]

We just don’t allow that topic in the server

You can interpret Yamato however you like

[somber flare]

The Kid and Law vs Big Mom days

[tranquil blade]

That was THE worst topic from the Wano days

[ruby moat]

Zoro beats luffy bc luffy is weak to cutting attacks :hesRight:

[hallow herald]

bro thinks he’s Woopslap

[somber flare]

I just prefired your question

[tranquil blade]

The Big Mom will win people were also wrong and chuds and whatever else insults

[urban sluice]

big mom is GOD

x

ACCEPT IT

[trim lily]

i cannot wait for the big mom bet to end

[solid mantle]

nah I'm Condoriano

[trim lily]

ive needed a win

[tranquil blade]

"Big Mom will win and Usopp will confront her" Sure man

[ruby moat]

It’ll be glorious when big mom returns

[somber flare]

In hindsight Yamato not joining was good cuz now nobody is arguing over any of that

[hallow herald]

speaking of Big Mom does any bodycare that her and Estrida look the fawking same

[hazy turret]

We won

[trim lily]

big mom and estrid look the same?

[hazy turret]

I haven’t been as happy as I was when Yamato didn’t join

[urban sluice]

yamato not joining was good because hes learning from oden's mistakes and staying behind to protect wano

[alpine trench]

Glad you’re sad now

[tranquil blade]

lol

[hallow herald]

watch this

[trim lily]

[solid mantle]

that's harsh

[hazy turret]

No one wants you here

[alpine trench]

Yeah sure bud

[fast pagoda]

I used to be really evil on here

[alpine trench]

Get out of the way

[urban sluice]

🐐

[tranquil blade]

harsh did you see meek pinged you

[urban sluice]

absolute cinema pun

[alpine trench]

Yeah I did

[tranquil blade]

along with like 6 other people

[alpine trench]

I woke up with 5 pings

They thought I’d be annoyed or something

[hazy turret]

You had issues bruh

[tranquil blade]

This is hatred

Like real hatred

[trim lily]

oh wow young big mom and estrid really do have similar faces

[hazy turret]

I will never trust a Nami hater

[tranquil blade]

This is like when you mention Boa around terabyte

[alpine trench]

I’m glad Big Mom is dead

[tranquil blade]

Just pure vile hate and anger

[fast pagoda]

I'M REFORMED

[urban sluice]

an interaction would of been nice but isnt it implied during rocks vs harald that he was aware of the CD's evils but he didn care

[solid mantle]

once a hater always a hater

[solid mantle]

people don't change

[hallow herald]

its that damn eyebrow

[trim lily]

oda moment

[hallow herald]

but like nah tho

[tranquil blade]

It's the angle being very similar too

[sage temple]

So he knowingly tried to sell his country to people who actively commit atricities daily

This nigga is SICK jk

[hallow herald]

and the hair positioning + them both being on that “RELINQUISH THINE SEED” shit

[fast pagoda]

I have been a Big Mom glazer since day one though

[urban sluice]

he was desperate ig 😭

[tranquil blade]

I used to be indifferent on Big Mom but now I defend her

[hallow herald]

i can’t wait to learn what Harald was told to make him think he could trust them

[hazy turret]

Where does this say he knows how evil they are

[trim lily]

i wish we got some more introspection on harald's part, more of his thought process and etc.

[sage temple]

What I said wasn't really all that happened so I'll give Harald the fact that he wanted to take the blame himself

[hazy turret]

He said they’re foolish and impetuous

[trim lily]

cause right now it just seems like hes actively ignoring it

there was like a million red flags man, you cant be that surprised

[sage temple]

But it's very stupid to be a king of a nation and become a slave expecting your kingdom not face the cost of what you've subjected yourself to

Loki was right 🤦‍♂️

[hazy turret]

Reading comprehension is in the mud

[solid mantle]

him saying he would relinquish the crown was his undoing

[hazy turret]

Critical thinking is in the gutter

[trim lily]

clear that gutter out and wipe away the mud

[steel stirrup]

Nah frfr

[sage temple]

He still became a subject to Imu and didn't relinquish the crown

So I don't get how that makes sense

He literally got branded, when was he going to get to relinquishing

[hallow herald]

i think the main twist of the flashback is that we start off thinking Loki was somehow fooled into disrespecting Harald but Harald is the one being fooled the whole time

[trim lily]

harald was fine with throwing away his own autonomy if his sons could carry on his legacy and rule instead

[steel stirrup]

Bro ignored every red flag

[sage temple]

Yeah but he didn't give his sons the crown as a branded holy knight

So when was he going to get around to that

[trim lily]

he was planning to

but then the whole imu control thing happened

[sage temple]

Maybe pick up the pace then

He became a subject to Imu and still didn't relinquish the crown

[trim lily]

he needed to make sure the country was in the WG and set up so the next person to rule wouldnt have to share his burdens

[sage temple]

How long would he wait then

[urban sluice]

within the context of the fight it basically does this is what harald had to say to rocks after he said the WG will do fucked up shit to him, implying hes aware of CD actions (not like they're unknown anyways)

[hallow herald]

it rlly feels like the same lesson as Kuma’s story, once you give up your body as a grand sacrifice u have no control over what its used for. Nobody will give you a fair deal that comes at the cost of your soul. Don’t make a deal with the devil.

[sage temple]

Because here he waited to the point that his entire nation would become slaves just like him

[trim lily]

basically

harald placed too much faith in the good of the world

[sage temple]

Yeah so he should've reqlinquished his crown earlier

[steel stirrup]

Imu:

[steel stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/stupid-not-let-you-get-the-chance-as-if-6ix9ine-tekashi-gif-13466096

[sage temple]

The guy became an Imu slave and was the king of the nation

[steel stirrup]

Bro really thought he was gonna get out of this alive

[hallow herald]

he fell for the lie of the Empty Throne, introduced in the same chapter as Shamrock

[steel stirrup]

There's no way he really believed that the slave owners wouldn't take him up on his offer

[sage temple]

That whole "he was going to relinquish the crown" defense is so dumb

He didn't

[trim lily]

he was going to

[sage temple]

He didn't

[trim lily]

i mean yeah? imu kinda did their thing

[sage temple]

He had a year to do that

But he didn't

[trim lily]

he wanted to make sure it was in the WG first

[sage temple]

Decision making

[solid mantle]

idk, maybe I misread it, young Gorosei in the first png here clearly was like "bro it aint gonna happen"

and then Imu offered what Harald wanted in exchange for power over him, so yeah pretty much what you said was right crates

[sage temple]

He became a Holy Knight though

[trim lily]

yeah to absolve his nations crimes

[sage temple]

Why didn't he give the crown to his sons immeidately

He should've hurried then

[trim lily]

it wasnt in the world government yet

we're going in circles

[grand flower]

Facts my son

[remote maple]

reddit when bonney exists

[hallow herald]

hop in this VC i wanna yell at u

[glacial bear]

I’m doing well! How about you?

[sage temple]

So he just went with it and he wasn't going to relinquish the throne until Imu told him

😭 This guy bro

[solid mantle]

yup

[grand flower]

Cant, my new lover - not your mom - and I are getting ready for bed

[sage temple]

Dude has like no excuse then atp

I'm sure a few can be cooked up but no good excuses

[hallow herald]

aww good for u and your snowbunny

[grand flower]

Not this time

[hallow herald]

https://tenor.com/view/m4rkdoll-gif-2869116710966288771

[solid mantle]

alright

[hallow herald]

niggas be like “waaa waa im employed im in a relationship i cant discuss the good book”

[solid mantle]

I'm too tired to speak write english words and stuff

so I'm going to bed

gn everyone

[hallow herald]

gn hombre

[solid mantle]

[sage temple]

gn

Loki really was right about what Harald should've done here 🤦‍♂️

If anything a lot more right about it than Harald was

[iron oriole]

If only Loki knew how true his words was

Sold his soul to the devil

[sage temple]

Poor guy man

[iron oriole]

Someone needs to accept Loki & help him, give him a break for once

[sage temple]

That someone is looking to be Luffy and Mosa tbh

[hallow herald]

Loki and Harald’s dynamic reminds me of the exaggerated version of the disagreements between MLK n Malcom X

kiiiinda like Jinbei n Arlong/Hody but idk if Loki is down with slavery at all, hopefully not

[sage temple]

Thats a good pull

[hallow herald]

the point just being that Cobra vs Koza shit

men on the same side pitted against eachother by their stances on assimilation and violence

[iron oriole]

Mother tossed him off the tree
Uncle abused him
Father was barely around
Idol died
Became close with Ida
Starts to consider Ida his mother
Ida gets poisoned
He kills the people who poisoned her & their village
In Jail while Ida dies
Finally gets out
Father dies by his hands due to Imu
Escapes to sea
Random Red haired fuck shows up, beats you & brings you back to Elbaf
Chained up for 6 years
Random Red haired fuck shows up with his gf
They beat you & stab you

[sage temple]

But yeah I get that Harald has a lot of defenders but he wasn't right realistically

[hallow herald]

where the pacifist and militant get fucked over alike because they couldn’t work together

[sage temple]

I never understand pacifism especially with Harald's case

[iron oriole]

Idt it can actually get worse for him

[hallow herald]

the idea is usually some mix of “i understand why they fear us” and “war with them would annihilate us”

[hallow herald]

wait till u find out Mosa is Shanks essentially catfishing him

[iron oriole]

And Shanks is scared of BB

BIG TRUE

Loki was talking about wiping out BB back in their convo

[sage temple]

• Harald is the King of Elbaph expecting his enslavement to only affect him in a vacuum
• Harald understood that the Celestial Dragons were bad people
• Harald goes to Mary Geoise witnessing how terribly they speak about people
• Imu makes it perfectly clear to Harald that he will be an enslaved king
• Harald goes to the castle and once Imu actually excersizes him as a slave, he acts like he's going to take the burden alone

[hallow herald]

when

[iron oriole]

The whole Mosa stuff

[sage temple]

Loki said "a pirate crew"

Oh that

[hallow herald]

ohhh i see what ur saying ouuuuuu

[iron oriole]

"If i was there i would have wiped them out"

[hallow herald]

Shanks as Mosa could be trying to turn Loki against BB

i can’t wait to see who fully frees Loki cuz it can’t be Luffy atp

[sage temple]

If they endangered Mosa

😭

[hallow herald]

his indecision is a flaw in this moment

[iron oriole]

Well presumably he doesn't know who Mosa actually is

So it would be hard for him to know

[sage temple]

True

[sage temple]

Yeah but I think he'll find out in due time

[iron oriole]

They're definitely not on Elbaf imo

[hallow herald]

i feel like its either gotta be the BB pirates or Mosa but the BB pirates already have a super big guy

having 2 would be craaaazy

but most of the main members are huge

[sage temple]

Loki's character is so heavily affected by others' decisions it's crazy

[granite flame]

Oh sorry I was not aware

[sage temple]

I like how Oda built Loki as a person

[iron oriole]

Haj will free him

[proud pivot]

LOL

[hallow herald]

he lacks control over his fate, its like him being introduced in a prison is setting that up

[sage temple]

Actually, Loki's character is heavily affected by other's lies

[hallow herald]

would be beautiful

[proud pivot]

socrates you have sent the message loki 5,244 times

[sage temple]

This is kinda ironic

[thick mango]

Do y'all think lokis dislike for shanks and the shanks bb tension are likely to intersect in the same event? Or will they be separate?

[sage temple]

Oh shoot I didn't know I made it to 5k

[void knot]

Loki is a sweet boy and ought to be brought up 5k more times.

[hallow herald]

if they were the same moment , maybe Shanks was trying to prevent Loki going to join BB, becoming the Lil Oars Jr to BBs WB

[wet condor]

Lol, Oda has been doing a bunch of two for ones lately. But I don't think this is one of those cases

[sage temple]

I think this could definitely be the case

[hallow herald]

or prolly not cuz he was with WB at the time

i wonder if Loki would wanna join WB

[distant vine]

He'll be okay cause Luffy will do a big punch

[hallow herald]

either way Shanks being invokved in Loki and BB not meeting yet would be like him wanting to stop Ace from meeting BB

[hallow herald]

his confidence implies planning to me

[iron oriole]

Between Loki telling the truth, Gaban being there to partially back it up & Luffy blindly trusting Loki & asking him to join will result in Haj forgiving Loki, probably play it off like its he's not fully forgiven or whatever

[olive sigil]

I think oda really hyped up kaido and I’m happy with how luffy dealt with it and I think he can have the benefit of the doubt that he knows how to deal with this

[void knot]

I wonder why Blackbeard is taking his time with pulling up on Luffy. He must be keeping an eye on his progress for a reason.

[vivid karma]

She can only domi reversi on people in their homeland

[iron oriole]

Headcanon

[vivid karma]

Cause bb as he is can't defeat Luffy

Dark logia vs a literal god is too big of a difference

Even with the additional quake

[iron oriole]

Dark Logia that literally turns off the God powers

[vivid karma]

Luffy stalled 4 gorosei what is bb gonna do

[void knot]

Yeah, so letting him just get even stronger by waiting makes perfect sense in that scenario.

[vivid karma]

Dont forget Zoro and Sanji and also bonney rn

[iron oriole]

Vortex him in, turn his DF off & quake him in the face

[vivid karma]

That works in theory but Luffy is just gonna toon force the living out of bb

If kaido barely even keeps up let alone bb

Also bb haki prowess is still unknown

[iron oriole]

As soon as BB grabs him its gg

Which is rather easy

[sage temple]

I honestly think Luffy's crew along with an allied Loki will meet both Shanks and Blackbeard as a kind of intersection of dreams.

Loki and BB have the same dream
Shanks and Luffy want the same thing
All special 3 of them are special in some way

Loki with his eyes and bounty
BB with his body and lineage
Shanks being the destined child
Shanks carries some inspiration from Joyboy
Blackbeard carries some inspiration from Davy
Loki carries some inspiration from both Joyboy and Davy
Expressing dreams of both King of the World and Freedom

[iron oriole]

He just pulls you directly to him

[sage temple]

Shanks is the white
Loki is the grey
Blackbeard is the black

[vivid karma]

That's not how it works brother

[sage temple]

Thats how I see it anyway though

[vivid karma]

Bb has a better chance of taking over the navy than subjugating Luffy

Since he has many fleet now

[maiden charm]

Strawhats, and few others could be an issue but the navy as a whole clears Luffys fleet tbr

[void knot]

Luffy has demonstrated time and again that he can take a beating. It wont be so simple as it was with Ace. Luffy has experienced Blackbeard's DF nullification once already. He knows now what to look out for. He didnt have Haki in his arsenal at all last time they met either. Next time things will be different.

[vivid karma]

Nah

Only navy excluding the wg right?

[maiden charm]

Yea my point stands

[vivid karma]

That depends on the admirals ngl

[maiden charm]

Seraphim and admirals clear everyone but strawhats,sai,Yamato, and Bart

[vivid karma]

Because garp is already out now

[iron oriole]

Replace Ace with Luffy & follow it up with a well timed quake, BB is cooking

[vivid karma]

Seraphim isn't a big deal

[maiden charm]

Lmao

Go crazy

[vivid karma]

The warlords seraphim is a mere imitation

[maiden charm]

Lmao go crazy

[vivid karma]

Ur coping bro

[iron oriole]

Lunarian genes put Seraphim above majority of the verse

[void knot]

The Seraphim are dangerous. And theyre still only children. Children grow.

[iron oriole]

They're practically invicibile

Unless you're at the top of top tiers

[vivid karma]

I know that

[fallen meteor]

do you have a panel to support this statement

[vivid karma]

They're robots

?

[iron oriole]

Stussy made a point of mentioning "to think they're still only children"

[maiden charm]

Edison said verbatim that they are adolescents when S-Shark attacked the crew

[iron oriole]

I think it was stussy

[digital spear]

theyre clones

theyre growing

[digital spear]

yep

[maiden charm]

It was Edison trust, he made the remark when Franky was going to use radical beam

[cunning narwhal]

edison talked about how they were still children and weren't ready to get hit with lasers

[vivid karma]

Oh so the straw hats are gonna conveniently wait 30 years for them to grow?

[maiden charm]

Said they weren't ready for the laser test

[digital spear]

Yeah he said "they arent ready for laser tests yet" so they will be when theyre adult

[dapper tree]

They grow faster

[digital spear]

nah, a few months probably

[dapper tree]

Give em 6 more months

[vivid karma]

Really

[dapper tree]

Yes

[maiden charm]

Gang I know this

[cloud adder]

elbaf time dilation agenda incoming once again

[cunning narwhal]

most of the strawhats cant even damage them with their flames on

[digital spear]

I know

[dapper tree]

Considering they were made in a couple years

[maiden charm]

I know you know gang

[digital spear]

Yes like Judges clones

[vivid karma]

That's the whole gimmick of lunarian

[digital spear]

I know you know I know gng

[vivid karma]

You're supposed to attack once their flame has gone off

[maiden charm]

Don't make me bust out the backwards generator

[digital spear]

The WHAT

[cloud adder]

surely a lunarian wouldnt be stupid enough to turn their flame off in a fight

[maiden charm]

https://tenor.com/view/baby-meme-viral-new-meme-laughing-baby-gif-15204541952942006498

[digital spear]

Gulp

[dapper tree]

Actually the seraphim are probs like a few months old

[vivid karma]

Surely

[cloud adder]

wasnt it implied theyre a couple years ago at least

[iron oriole]

Stussy too

[vivid karma]

I wonder why king did it..

[dapper tree]

Considering 2 years ago was model 1 pacifistas, then model 2s came out, then at some point model 3s. Then it was seraphim

[ruby moat]

this reminded me of my favorite discussion back during wano times

[iron oriole]

He's faster with his flames off

[vivid karma]

Exactly

[maiden charm]

Yuh

[ruby moat]

ppl tryna explain how King turned off his flames for Zoro, but he would NEVER do that against Sanji

[cloud adder]

king would respect sanji too much fr

[dapper tree]

King felt bad for zoro and decided to lose

[vivid karma]

Aura loss

[maiden charm]

But back to the topic at hand. Yes, Seraphim and admirals are clearing 95% of the strawhat fleet

[ruby moat]

"nah theres no way sanji can beat king, king will just keep flames on"
"ok why did he turn them off for zoro"
"uhhhhh"

[digital spear]

I told him to

[vivid karma]

"because Sanji is weaker than Zoro"

It's always the same argument for Zoro stans

[iron oriole]

Seraphim already 100% smarter than King by not turning their flames off

[dapper tree]

King threw his fight

Smh

[vivid karma]

I'm pretty sure it's to make them faster

[iron oriole]

They don't need it

[digital spear]

This means all the seraphim will be at least admiral level when theyre adult

[maiden charm]

Put Sanji in dressrosa and he ain't blowing through pika like Zoro did. Why can't we just agree ones the fast one and ones the heavy hitter

[vivid karma]

Wdym they don't

[iron oriole]

They haven't needed to go faster

[vivid karma]

When they're adult they're fighting literal gods

[dapper tree]

He would find Pica instantly and break through the rock

[cloud adder]

zoro was making s-hawk nervous tho

[vivid karma]

Admiral is baby level compared to gods

[maiden charm]

Gang WHAT

[void knot]

"You're a little more human than him" ~Zoro to S-Hawk

[maiden charm]

I'm sick

[dapper tree]

Observation bro

[digital spear]

Which gods

[dapper tree]

Sanji negs

[vivid karma]

Bb Luffy and probably more later

[digital spear]

Wnel

[cloud adder]

Shanks too

[dapper tree]

Rocks are nothing

[maiden charm]

The whole point of Zoro sectionioning pika was to eliminate the areas he could escape too. Sanji wouldn't be able to just go to him

[iron oriole]

S-Hawk is a child thats pushing them to 2v1 him though

[vivid karma]

Shanks a bum

Shamrock

[maiden charm]

Hed need to break him up first

[dapper tree]

Sanji would just track him easy and get him

[maiden charm]

You aren't listening 😭

[dapper tree]

Zoro couldn't which was why he cut Pica into pieces

He looked at what areas where still active

[maiden charm]

https://tenor.com/view/zoro-roronoa-zoro-zoro-one-piece-haki-armament-haki-gif-26839137

[vivid karma]

Pica is dumb

[maiden charm]

Sanji would need to do this

[dapper tree]

He wouldnt

[vivid karma]

Probably one of the most broken paramecia

[cloud adder]

ngl i forgot the exact context of the seraphim fight, i remember toei had a special take on the situation tho

[iron oriole]

I hated Pica's voice so much icl

[maiden charm]

U just said he would just ignore the rock and go straight to him

[iron oriole]

Yeah they got stopped with the bubble guns

[vivid karma]

https://tenor.com/view/doflamingo-doffy-one-piece-gif-2013434081851830739

[maiden charm]

How are the parts not active anymore if he ignores the rock

The parts became inactive because Zoro literally separated them

[ruby moat]

for sanji to beat pica he would need to one shot him. Otherwise pica just escapes with wounds to a different rock

[maiden charm]

That's what I'm saying

[vivid karma]

Easy

[maiden charm]

Pfft

[dapper tree]

Easy

[vivid karma]

Diable jambe

Blue flame

Collier

[dapper tree]

Sanji negs pica

[maiden charm]

Blue flame ain't exist at this point but ye

[iron oriole]

Is Sanji fast enough to smash Pica & then break all the other rocks that shatter away

[dapper tree]

Way easier than zoro

[vivid karma]

No need blue flame even, red flame is enough

[dapper tree]

Yes

Sanji speed man

Way faster than Pica swim speed

[ruby moat]

whether or not he is capable of one shotting him is a different question. He could absolutely one-combo him. Sanji is a combo fighter afte all. He'd just need to be able to finish pica off before pica can run away

[vivid karma]

I'm pretty sure Sanji's endoskeleton now buffs sanji's kicking power to the next level

[iron oriole]

If he can move faster than Pica can move to another Rock its ezpz

[void knot]

It wont take long before the Seraphim grow beyond the control of anyone. All they really lack is their own willpower. And S-Hawk alone has had enough experiences with someone using Haki to have analyzed the encounters and concluded that he should be able to use it too. And given their efficiency in learning, once they unlock Haki, theyll master it extremely fast.

[vivid karma]

Hard endoskeleton = stronger kicking power

[woven violet]

Zoro is him

[maiden charm]

Only way he's winning

[vivid karma]

https://tenor.com/view/sanji-craztic-vinsmoke-sanji-one-piece-one-piece1041-gif-27363297

[woven violet]

End of series Zoro solos most

[vivid karma]

Dodging light beams

[ruby moat]

is there anyone with better speed feats than sanji? actual feats, not just "kizaru can move at speed of light bc hes light"

[maiden charm]

Yes let's pull a scene from three arcs ahead

[maiden charm]

No

[iron oriole]

Lucky Roux

[vivid karma]

Kuzan is fast and can freeze his opponents

[woven violet]

Brook

[ruby moat]

oh if ur talking about dressrosa sanji then i dont think he beats pica, pica would just run away heavily wounded

[vivid karma]

? He can do that in dressrosa too

[dapper tree]

Sanji beats his ass

[woven violet]

Hummand arrow notch strike was such a cool move

[vivid karma]

The timespan between dressrosa and wano isn't even a week bro

[ruby moat]

yea, he beats his ass, then pica runs away

[vivid karma]

That's just his speed + normal geppo

[maiden charm]

That'd be the one I'm talking about. Im not fool enough to say current Sanji loses to pika

[dapper tree]

Pica can't move that fast

[ruby moat]

i dont even know if i'd say dressrosa sanji LOSES to pica, but i dont know if he can knock him unconscious or whatever

[vivid karma]

Roux a bum

[dapper tree]

Pica gets combo'ed in the air

No escape

[woven violet]

Was zoro ever in danger while fighting Pica?

[ruby moat]

Im talking about shifting his conscious to diff rocks not actually running

[maiden charm]

Yea air walk. But he didn't even have activated Germ genes, Sanji is NOT the same in dressrosa

[vivid karma]

Like I said, diable jambe Collier is enough

[iron oriole]

Roux negs your fave

So does Tama

[dapper tree]

Kinda

[vivid karma]

His germa genes never stated to increase your speed, only increasing your physical strength

And hard endoskeleton

[ruby moat]

well

[dapper tree]

All sanji's stats got boosted

[ruby moat]

how does one move their body

with their physical strength

[iron oriole]

He moved faster after the exoskeleton was activated

[maiden charm]

All of Sanjis stats got boosted bro

Stop it

[iron oriole]

He was invisible just by moving

[vivid karma]

Wait ur making sense

Sanji kicks the air

[ruby moat]

if i got lvl 3 strength legs, and then i suddenly go to lvl 10 strength legs, ima be able to run faster

not that sanji's buff was that big of a leap

but still

[vivid karma]

No wait

Physical strength increase would be a result from his own hard endoskeleton

[ruby moat]

U ever see a lineman from football run? Mfs are fat as fuck but they can MOVE

[vivid karma]

Basically hard bones = harder kicking power

[maiden charm]

...

[ruby moat]

And what happens when u kick off the ground

[dapper tree]

Sanji got all his stats boosted

[ruby moat]

U run

[sage temple]

So-called Koby stan

[dapper tree]

Phys stats all increase

Plus minor regen

[vivid karma]

I accelerate higher

[ruby moat]

“Rent free” as I think u said earlier

[vivid karma]

Or farther

[sage temple]

This was a light-hearted joke

[iron oriole]

Literally became fast enough after the exoskeleton activated that Queen couldn't even see him

[ruby moat]

U seem to think I’m not joking when I talk about u

[sage temple]

No you just sound pissed asf

[ruby moat]

Best speed feat in the series methinks

[vivid karma]

Yk what

Let's assume Zoro and Sanji is equal on dressrosa

[maiden charm]

Easily, this or the egghead zig zag

[vivid karma]

So whatever Zoro does Sanji can do it too

[dapper tree]

They always are

[ruby moat]

Altho my favorite speed feat is the shit garp does right before galaxy divide

[vivid karma]

In wano Zoro is much stronger

[dapper tree]

Wrong and it goes both ways

[ruby moat]

That shit was soooo sick

[sage temple]

Zoro fans v Sanji fans

[vivid karma]

[ruby moat]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-one-piece-1122-one-piece-ep-1122-one-piece-episode-1122-egghead-arc-gif-7925766514538498014

😩

[maiden charm]

I think mine might have to be jimbei blocking akainu

Boy was moving

[vivid karma]

I know it's for character development but if Sanji kept his germa suit it might make him equal now

[ruby moat]

Jinbe speed > Akainu speed

Canonically

[sage temple]

My fav speed feet is Loki getting up at 1hp

[maiden charm]

https://tenor.com/view/jinbe-jimbei-akainu-sakazuki-jinbei-gif-16881991532116849902

[vivid karma]

Akainu is slow

[maiden charm]

This shit right here

[vivid karma]

[ruby moat]

He’s also a bitch

[maiden charm]

Mmmmm mm mm

All that from just a few drops of water

[ruby moat]

True there’s like 1 frame of Jinbe stepping and then ZOOM

[iron oriole]

Genuinely insane

[vivid karma]

But akainu has the strongest firepower

Said oda himself

[maiden charm]

Jimbei has some of my favorite showings

[wet condor]

Not gonna lie, I kind of don't like this flight shit going on lol

[vivid karma]

He achieved speed of sound

[wet condor]

Like why is Garp flying through the air

[ruby moat]

I would have preferred it been running and not like a missile as well

[vivid karma]

Or probably a bit faster than speed of sound

[maiden charm]

And he got blocked by jimbei using a puddle. Not even that much water 😭

[wet condor]

yeah lol

[vivid karma]

Akainu is a fucking bum

[ruby moat]

He has the “highest offensive power of a devil fruit”

[iron oriole]

Faster than light

[vivid karma]

That's the same

[ruby moat]

It specifically states devil fruit

[ruby moat]

Haki brother

[maiden charm]

You can even see the puddle jimbei uses in the manga. Akainu got stopped by street water

[vivid karma]

There's no op characters faster than light other than kizaru prob

Light speed is literally impossible

[iron oriole]

Its literally what Sanji is doing vs Queen

[vivid karma]

That's not speed of light

[ruby moat]

Zoro fan cope goes crazy with this one

[steel stirrup]

Highest fruit AP but anyone who knows Ryou can hit him without have to touch the magma

[maiden charm]

No way we're applying real world logic to one piece

[ruby moat]

“It’s actually not that impressive, queen has bad perception”

[iron oriole]

He's moving faster than the naked eye can see & Sanji also matches Kizaru in Egghead

Fucking blocks his laser

The LIGHT MANS laser

Not just any laser

[ruby moat]

Would be cool to see Sanji recreate the “acceleration is power” or whatever it was

That Kizaru did

[steel stirrup]

Speed is weight

[ruby moat]

Ya

[sage temple]

https://tenor.com/view/gumball-caveman-stupid-mango-gif-17657901353026407470

[vivid karma]

https://tenor.com/view/julian-loki-vs-isagi-yoichi-entered-in-the-gif-9015136588694018504

[maiden charm]

https://tenor.com/view/kizaru-borsalino-cape-egghead-marines-gif-18056639294495315896

Tf is this

[ruby moat]

Do u have any better

[vivid karma]

Then what logic do we use when we determine speed of light

[sage temple]

Luffy food

light speed anyone

[vivid karma]

Logic of agenda piece?

[ruby moat]

🛏️

[vivid karma]

Oh Luffy is speed of light because I said so

[dapper tree]

He's faster

[steel stirrup]

Do you think Kizaru is at least light speed

[vivid karma]

He's literally light itself

But don't know

[dapper tree]

Kizaru is faster

[sage temple]

Sanji isn't light speed either though

[dapper tree]

Than light

[iron oriole]

He cant freeze his opponents though

[sage temple]

Kizaru is as close we can get to light speed in One Piece

[dapper tree]

Faster

[vivid karma]

How can light be faster than light

[maiden charm]

Well if you want to get into it. Someone already calculated how many earths could fit in the one piece earth, and then if you want to use that in conjuction with the real world speed of light you could probably get something to translate to IRL that would give you decent guess
But that's all you gang.

[sage temple]

No he isn't

[steel stirrup]

The real world implication of light speed is everything would get destroyed the moment he hits something at that speed but this isnt the real world

[dapper tree]

Because kizaru accelerated

[ruby moat]

one piece light speed is not the same as real world light speed and its not even close

[maiden charm]

^^^

[ruby moat]

if kizaru was real world light speed he could travel from the start of the grand line to the end of the grand line in under 5 seconds

[vivid karma]

How does the size of a planet matter when sanji's speed feat isn't even travelling on all islands

[dapper tree]

Light moving at light speed accelerating means it moves faster than light

[vivid karma]

???

[maiden charm]

One piece light speed would be faster tbh

[sage temple]

Yet Sanji isn't faster than Kizaru

[dapper tree]

He might be

[steel stirrup]

I think he's going light speed in the OP world but idk about real world Lightspeed

[ruby moat]

he has better speed feats, the only thing propping up kizaru is his reputation from his fruit

[vivid karma]

Sanji's speed is his acceleration. Assuming he moves at the speed of light means he can travel the whole one piece world within probably minutes (since it travels 3 sec on earth and u said many earth fits on op world)

Can Sanji travel the whole planet within minutes?

[dapper tree]

Stop being silly

[vivid karma]

Yeah I don't think so

[ruby moat]

neither can kizaru

[steel stirrup]

If he were going lightspeed frfr wouldn't he destroy everything the moment he hits something

[vivid karma]

Which is why I said I don't know

[dapper tree]

No anime character is light speed in this case

[sage temple]

It went from Sanji is faster to Sanji might be faster

[maiden charm]

^^^

[vivid karma]

To be fair kizaru's fruit is glint glint not light

[dapper tree]

Sanji clears

[cloud adder]

light speed convos are the worst types of convos in this server

[dapper tree]

[sage temple]

Loki might be faster than both Kizaru and Sanji

[vivid karma]

Obviously that's why I said light speed is impossible

[ruby moat]

oh brother

[dapper tree]

That's silly

[iron oriole]

[steel stirrup]

Impossible seems too much

[vivid karma]

[vivid karma]

For op it is

Unless ur Goku

[dapper tree]

Lotta guys are faster than light considering people are faster than kizaru who is light

[maiden charm]

It wouldn't be op if Goku was in it

Oh wait

[sage temple]

Worst convos

1. Light Speed
2. Shipping
3. Character morals

[maiden charm]

https://tenor.com/view/luffy-goku-toriko-monkey-d-luffy-one-piece-gif-15921472749011056938

[cloud adder]

char morals can be a decent topic

[steel stirrup]

Toriko should have been great

[vivid karma]

People spamming light speed when they don't even know how fast it is

[cloud adder]

and im a shipper so i dont mind shipping yap too much

[maiden charm]

Just bigger series at the time unfortunately but I think it got its dues

[dapper tree]

Toriko the strongest one

[vivid karma]

Isn't toriko just about cooking

[steel stirrup]

The story is hella interesting

[sage temple]

They sometimes are but I cannot stand when people act like when Loki pushes this guy through a door, Loki might as well be the antichrist

[maiden charm]

Agreed

[steel stirrup]

Summed up, yea.

[dapper tree]

Idk man, you are being pretty silly about that

[steel stirrup]

Its definitely more complicated

[dapper tree]

It's peak

[vivid karma]

Fine brother

Everyone in op is light speed

[vital heart]

Is it true that all people have at least 1 vice?

[vital heart]

I think I'm developing a new one

[vivid karma]

happy now?

[cloud adder]

ive never seen a single comment about loki dooring this dude

[maiden charm]

Wym

[sage temple]

I hope Meek comes to change the topic

[steel stirrup]

Chill

[dapper tree]

A couple dozen are

So we good

[vivid karma]

Let them smile

[sage temple]

I wish I could pull it up but it's in # spoilers-2

[vital heart]

This is so rude

[vivid karma]

W loki

[cloud adder]

ill check it when jump festa drops oda-level spoils

[wet condor]

He could've killed that man

[maiden charm]

Don't see the issue 🤷🏽🤷🏽shits serious and I'm technically one of the crown princes.gtfo the way 😭

[sage temple]

They all died anyway

[wet condor]

If it was real life lol

[steel stirrup]

People think a mf is light speed because the animation makes it seem that way

Like Kaidos Ragnarok attack vs G5 Luffy

They literally used a lightning flash to show hiw fast he got from where we was standing to where Luffy was

[cloud adder]

ikr, i cant believe the door guy was so slow at his one job THATS PRINCE LOKI WALKING IN!!

[sage temple]

"If it was real life"

[steel stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/luffy-one-piece-luffy-gear-5-luffy-gear-5-white-gear-5-gif-13547501472097789404

[wet condor]

That's true lol

[vital heart]

Lol no. Even in real life, if you get kicked through a door, since it was unlocked anyways, he wouldve just been hurt

[sage temple]

Yeah but it's irrelevant, Luffy could've killed plenty of children if it was real life lol

[steel stirrup]

They literally used a lightning bolt to illustrate his speed

This is why there will always be people who think lightspeed is possible

[dapper tree]

I mean, there are other factors. Thats just anime stuff aka non canon

[wet condor]

Have you seen someone get their head stomped on?

[maiden charm]

^^^

[dapper tree]

[sage temple]

Stomped on like the guy was curb stomped

[steel stirrup]

You also have Luffy stating that Kaido was negating his future sight thru sheer speed alone

[vital heart]

He stomped their back/stomach

Not the head

[sage temple]

This is what I mean mimi

[cloud adder]

loki so kind

[sage temple]

Fuckass conversations like this irritate me

[wet condor]

Because he is

[wet condor]

LMAO

[sage temple]

No he isn't

[dapper tree]

Found your weakness

[vivid karma]

Let them think whatever they want bro

[dapper tree]

[cloud adder]

its fair play imo

[sage temple]

I'll cuss you all out

[vivid karma]

They don't even understand basic science

[sage temple]

In dms

[steel stirrup]

👀

[cloud adder]

[ruby moat]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-chattering-teeth-scared-spooky-gif-22755553

[dapper tree]

Neither does oda or every Manga author

[vivid karma]

Nah I think it's only you

[cloud adder]

oda's science >>>

[vivid karma]

Never have oda ever stated that their character is light speed

[steel stirrup]

I mean Sanji moving too fast for Queen to see him is hella impressive

[maiden charm]

Applying real world logic to fiction

[vivid karma]

On a building that can easily be done by acceleration at the speed of sound. The speed of light is massively too big of a difference

[steel stirrup]

How fast do you have to be for the human eye to not be able to observe your motion

[sage temple]

Anyways, I would do the exact same thing if someone tried to stop me from going into my own home after their subordinates imprisoned me for killing the people that poisoned my mom, and the whole reason they give for stopping me is clearly made up

[wet condor]

I mean it's played up for memes. It's demonstrating Loki's an asshole but they guy probably didn't die or get seriously injured from that if I had to guess — even saying this much is probably putting more thought than what Oda did into that scene lol

[dapper tree]

But people have launched light speed attacks that people have dodged so they gotta be at least relative

[vivid karma]

By your logic ussop's slingshot is a speed of light

[vivid karma]

[dapper tree]

Not how that works

[steel stirrup]

How fast is too fast for the naked eye to see

[maiden charm]

What's my logic, tell me

[olive sigil]

I can see light so you’d need to be faster than that

[vital heart]

🤓

[vivid karma]

No nothing I'm sorry, you win

[sage temple]

Meek of all people using the nerd emoji

[maiden charm]

Shut up nigga

[sage temple]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-meme-trying-not-to-laugh-laugh-homeless-gif-9458928528704746136

[vivid karma]

N word ooohh

[steel stirrup]

😭

[maiden charm]

Tell me what my logic is

[vivid karma]

He's tough now

[dapper tree]

You really don't know how this kinda thing works

[sage temple]

😭 😭

[dapper tree]

[vivid karma]

Yeah I don't understand power scaling light speed spammer minds tbh

[dapper tree]

GOTTEM

[steel stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/hell-no-oh-no-hu-what-popcorn-gif-12325900934325026511

[maiden charm]

[sage temple]

Amazing execution Tesoro

[vivid karma]

Is saying n word tough now

Looks soft

[sage temple]

Couldn't have said it better myself

[vivid karma]

Why don't you add the hard r @maiden charm

[maiden charm]

Oooo he tryna call me soft

[vivid karma]

I'll cry

[wet condor]

If someone is actually blocking you from your home, it is valid to violently move them out the way lol. But it really just depends how their doing it

[maiden charm]

Ooooooo

[ruby moat]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-souljaboy-soulja-boy-huh-soulja-boy-tyga-gif-4086522772699119831

[maiden charm]

Y'all see this

[wet condor]

Because yeah, if a guy is literally blocking me from getting into my house, get the fuck out the way

[maiden charm]

Race baiting

[dapper tree]

If person A shoots a weapon that fires a projectile at light speed and person B dodges it. Does that make them light speed or relative?

[maiden charm]

I'm dead 😭

[dapper tree]

Or anywhere close

[sage temple]

Wondering if I should call mods or let this play out

[steel stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-jackson-comendo-picoca-gif-9669437860846841235

[maiden charm]

I ain't gonna say nun

[vital heart]

Let it play out

[sage temple]

Good idea Meek

[maiden charm]

Pull my logs ,I don't say that race shit

[vivid karma]

Give me a concrete example

[wet condor]

But Loki didn't have to do that to that guy. He seemed like he wa alright

[steel stirrup]

Let it ride until its over ts is free entertainment

[sage temple]

https://tenor.com/view/jerry-eating-amc-perfectly-popcorn-mouse-yum-yum-delicious-gif-15877432887457947334

[ruby moat]

no dont this one exists

[cloud adder]

[dapper tree]

Literally what I just said.

Use that

[vivid karma]

Yes of course

[sage temple]

Yeah but people were exaggerating that to a bigger scale. Using that as a reason for saying Loki hasn't changed since he was a kid and probably burns villages for fun still

[steel stirrup]

[sage temple]

Bunch of dweebs bro

[iron oriole]

Ig it depends on the size of the object/person though

[vivid karma]

[steel stirrup]

"Fuck out my walking path"

[cloud adder]

i love when an either/or question gets asked and ppl say "yes"

[dapper tree]

So person B would be light speed or relative in that example

[sage temple]

Loki is absolutely allowed to push someone out of his way

[vivid karma]

That's the theory, now I need a concrete example from the series

that supports that theory

[steel stirrup]

Sheesh

[sage temple]

That guard is lucky Loki didn't use his laser vision or it'd be over

[cloud adder]

Cion is the king of non-answers holyyyyy

[ruby moat]

ima tell u right now, it exists dawg.

[vivid karma]

https://tenor.com/view/yata-no-kagami-admiral-kizaru-scratchmen-apoo-eleven-super-novas-sabaody-archipelago-gif-16684639

[steel stirrup]

If, IF!!!! Sanji was moving at lightspeed without burning up is that a durability feat too

[vivid karma]

You call that light speed?

[ruby moat]

yup there it is

[vivid karma]

That's not even the speed of sound

[dapper tree]

Person A firing a weapon at light speed and person B dodging

[maiden charm]

I think so.

1. The king asked for him specifically
   2.The king has always boasted that he is his son just as much as hajrudin
   3.Ida just died
   No blame to Loki on this side

[iron oriole]

I imagine the bigger something is though the faster it has to be due to a larger surface for light to refract on

[dapper tree]

Literally not

Literally light speed

[iron oriole]

100%

[ruby moat]

Loki should have moved the guard over instead of pressing onto him it likely would have made it easier as well

[maiden charm]

This is true too

[steel stirrup]

I forgot Kuma did the Sumo ting😭😭

[dapper tree]

Then there's luffy amd the pacifista 3 light beams

[vivid karma]

Oh ok you win

[sage temple]

If Loki had that mentality Elbaph wouldn't exist and he wouldn't have been able to kill Harald to protect the place

[vivid karma]

Please be happy

[dapper tree]

I always am

[ruby moat]

he would have been able to protect harald earlier if he wasnt imprisoned