also-manga

[rich hornet]

They did at least half

[stone terrace]

I wonder if its just a reset and theyll drain it afterwards

[grand flower]

This a cool ass chapter

Harald makes me sad

[lofty fern]

I'm pretty sure there's more than that

[grand flower]

Hm?

[rich hornet]

It takes two sides using cataclysmic weapons

[grand flower]

I’m pretty sure the great kingdom did that fighting the alliance

[lofty fern]

It is tragic. Ida was tragic too. I think though they knew she was poisoned and Loki was able to let them know

[rich hornet]

Who do you think the alliance is

Thsts just the WG lol

[wet condor]

I feel bad for Harald

[ashen perch]

I feel like a lot of 200 islands that were destroyed may have been collateral damage in the war, not necessarily intentionally targeted

[wet condor]

I felt bad for Homing too actually

[ashen perch]

but who knows, Imu may have just been nuking islands for fun

he is kinda insane like that

[lofty fern]

I do find it interesting that the countries that used to belong to the 20 all survived

[dull zenith]

And they don’t have access to those weapons, so they need to build themselves a path towards them

[wet condor]

I appreciate guys like them. Good-natured, but gullible people who will get taken advantage of or not perceptive enough

[ashen perch]

true yea, implies that Joyboy was not directly targeting them atleast

[dull zenith]

@rich hornet Does the WG have Pluton and Poseidon yes or no?

Like clearly they are part of a wider plan

[rich hornet]

They have one. Thats all you need to be a participant

[lofty fern]

With Homing, he folded like immediately, I like that Harald stuck it out and it wasn't for his own interests, but for others. Homing was more so curious, kind of hipster-y and then couldn't take it when things went wrong

[rich hornet]

For all we know, only Uranus has the world sinking side effect

[dull zenith]

Clearly not if they still haven’t done it

[rich hornet]

Done what

[stone terrace]

I feel more for homing cuz he was just an idiot

[lofty fern]

I don't think there were targets persay. I think the flooding happened as an after affect of the use of the ancient weapons

[stone terrace]

He wasnt blinding himself

[dull zenith]

Sank the world on its entirety and not hiding about it

[lofty fern]

He kinda was

He expected to just be accepted by the world with open arms, just cause he went to an unaffiliated nation

[hallow herald]

hello good morning one piece community

[rich hornet]

Well they aren’t pushed to that point yet. The world isn’t rebelling in full yet

[lofty fern]

Hello other buggy

[wet condor]

It's different for sure. But I'll say that Homing was being chased and tortured wherever he went. Most people are tapping out after that lol

[hallow herald]

the better one, surely

[latent hamlet]

Well homing couldn't go back

[lofty fern]

I mean, he tapped out after that too, he just had no where to go

[wet condor]

I'm not sure what you mean?

After being tortured?

That's what I was saying lol

[lofty fern]

That has yet to be seen. Both of you are.... 😑

[dull zenith]

Ok but if they didn’t care about their public image like you said, why don’t they just do it?

[lofty fern]

I mean, everything fell apart and he immediately gave up on his goal/dream and called it a day

[wet condor]

Yeah we're not disagreeing lol

[lofty fern]

Easier to control the world this way

[grand flower]

I’m aware. I’m saying the flooding was the great kingdoms doing in their fight against them

[lofty fern]

Yes, I was just extrapolating

[rich hornet]

I’m not saying they are trying to destroy the world just for fun. I’m saying they will rather destroy it than give up control. Control is all they care about. They care about their image to the extant it helps maintain control, and have no trouble taking the mask off and doing a public genocide when they need to. See Lulusia

[glacial bear]

Both Doflamingo & Shamrock got deceived by their younger brothers lol

[dull zenith]

Yup

[trim lily]

poor guys just wanted to be evil together with their brothers

[lofty fern]

I don't know if Sham really was, at least not until we see his side. Shanks was rather obvious.

And if anyone would know, a twin might

[deep chasm]

[indigo yacht]

I’ve been doing a reread and I have to apologize to Harald. He’s truly one of the best characters man

[trim lily]

he’s pretty good yeah

[deep chasm]

I would like to see maybe Shamrock was becoming happier with shanks around, so when shanks left he felt betrayed and saddenened

[glacial bear]

This week’s chapter made me cry

[dull zenith]

I don’t think you can call Lulusia a “public genocide” when they just talked about erasing it from history and how it never existed. And even then, so many in the world would just find their actions justifiable because they were taken over by what people view as hooligans which only overthrow kingdoms.

[runic dock]

I have been doing a reread and I have to apologize to ida , ida wasn’t the reason harald turned into such a bitch , it’s because HE DIDNT FULLY LISTEN TO HER

[glacial bear]

Just the silence in those panels when Ida died was heartbreaking. Loki, Hajrudin, Harald. All of their reactions depressed me

[wet condor]

Harald does come off kind of dumb after this chapter lol

[urban lodge]

That silent page was so good

[trim lily]

i’m really hoping this is the case, since i can’t imagine garlic was that good a father

[lofty fern]

He is, a lot of people want to call him dumb, and an idiot, but he tried his best with what he had to work with and it just turned out tragically, though his ideals were good ones and he did ultimately turn Elbaph for the better.

[runic dock]

This is reinforced in the current chapter where ida says she actually likes the giant warrior pride and he once again ignored her

[stone terrace]

I think harald is just in the ultimate denial stage

[rich hornet]

If you’re a member of a WG gov country and one week you read an article about Lulusia rebelling and next week the country “never existed” how are you supposed to parse that information

[trim lily]

harald was dumb and naive but he genuinely did want to change things for the better

[runic dock]

Ida is my queen, I kneel

[trim lily]

he couldn’t have known the scale of the evil he was dealing with

[lofty fern]

I think if Harald was the same guy he was before Ida. If Imu had offered him more power off the bat in exchange for making Elbaph an army for him. He probably would have accepted.

[glacial bear]

Do you think there’s a chance both Shamrock & Shanks find out what Garling did to their mother? I suspect Dragon might tell them

[trim lily]

(granted imu should’ve been a bit more of a red flag)

[runic dock]

He should have listened to ida’s every word down to the T, he wanted to realize her dream without actually listening to her details

Ida’s *

[dull zenith]

If they didn’t make headlines about the kingdom being destroyed, then it’s not public.

[trim lily]

yeah the message of the arc is pretty obvious with ida

[wet condor]

I don't think he's an idiot. But lord this last chapter.. he's blinded by desperation to achieve his goals yeah

[deep chasm]

there was plenty of red flags most likely. But yea harald is a good guy he wanted to help his country and allat

[trim lily]

changing things for the better without completely throwing away tradition

[lofty fern]

That's why they don't reveal him until its too late to matter. Imu played the long game here for a reason. He's been stringing Harald into his web for practically 50+ years

[runic dock]

It’s so well written and beautiful and i appreciate both characters for their role in this tragedy

[rich hornet]

I see. But it’s not a secret either. You’ll find out when you don’t get your milk that week

[deep chasm]

I htink he is an idiot unfortunately, but hes doing the best he can for his people

[lofty fern]

Depends on if he cared enough to say anything

[glacial bear]

Shamrock loses his arm as well and joins Shanks & Buggy as brothers like the ASL trio. The SBS trio

[dull zenith]

Was Lulusia known for exporting milks? Did I miss a page about that?
Genuine question I’m curious now lol

[trim lily]

harald intentionally ignored all the bad the WG did so he could get his country integrated into the world and move on from their reputation

[trim lily]

cover story i think

[rich hornet]

There was a whole cover story about it lol

[dapper tree]

Yes, from the cover story

[dull zenith]

Ah well

[atomic spindle]

Intentions aren't enough
Harald ignored every sign of how evil the wg is

[dull zenith]

Guess they will just find milk from somewhere else

[lofty fern]

While I would love it, sadly his arm should just grow back. I think Harald is trying that here and it's not going to work

[wet condor]

The only thing that's keeping me from saying that is because he was capable of fostering good relations with people. I feel like that has to indicate that he's not stupid... but he was just doing some dumb stuff this last chapter and that's why if someone calls him a fool, I'm not gonna push back on it really lol

[deep chasm]

I think that just shows hes a kind genuine person. kinda like luffy

[wet condor]

Yeah lol

[indigo yacht]

I don’t think he’s a bitch but misunderstood what Ida said and started this trend of him committing the worst decisions at every opportunity

The decisions that WE the readers know to be the worst decisions. Harald genuinely believed his actions helped the giants overall even if he had to kiss the ground the WG chapter on. And this chapters shows how much the giants perception changed from being seen as monsters to friendly and great allies. And that happened unironically working with the WG

Us the readers know they cannot be trusted and yea this chapter confirms, yet again, to us they cannot be trusted. Harald was rugpulled. Prior to this everything he did worked towards his goal of improving Elbafs image and getting them to be part of the world community

[trim lily]

he really did improve his country as a result of what he did

[vivid vortex]

Serious question - is Loki taller than Harold?

[wet condor]

Unsure

[urban lodge]

Probably the same

[lofty fern]

It's more so taking the pros with the cons. You don't think good kings like Cobra or Riku know how evil the WG can be? They do, but they still work as a member nation because its best for their country

[wet condor]

I think they're thereabouts the same height

[lofty fern]

Currently, I don't think so? Hard to tell, and Oda's scaling is...interesting

[rich hornet]

I think yes, or around the same

[atomic spindle]

The warrior culture should have been aimed at protecting Elbaph and its allies rather than being put behind completely

[stone terrace]

The world government does a really really bad job of hiding their depravity

Well they barely even do try

Only the worst of the worst is hidden like the genocide games (which harald knows of)

[wet condor]

This what I would've done

[glacial bear]

Once Imu sama & Garling perishes. Hopefully they can reunite as a family once again

[atomic spindle]

Tbf Harald never knew about Imu but he was willing to be a slave for wg

[vivid vortex]

Exactly, it seems like Hajrudin is about Loki’s knees but when he is about Harold’s chest in the latest chapter. The height scaling is so inconsistent man

[stone terrace]

Also i assume he knows about the tale of ohara, a little annoyed that bit was skipped over

[wet condor]

But my mindset different than Harald's. He was adamant to do right and foster good relations with everyone. So maybe he had to join the WG

[lofty fern]

The problem was that their warrior culture had gone way too far to the other extreme, so far that other giants were afraid of them. They were even killing each other over land and what not. It took an extreme shift to not only correct Elbaph but also how people saw them. I can see why Harald was afraid to of going back into that, though he DID say that he didn't want people to fully stop being warriors. He himself is a warrior after all.

[atomic spindle]

I think this is what Ida meant, the culture should have been improved not thrown away

[wet condor]

He should've consulted with her more lol

If he cared about what she thought

[stone terrace]

Ida shouldve seen mariejois

Shes kind hearted

Let her look at the slaves and how theyre treated

[lofty fern]

I think after this chapter, I am seeing a sort of Bellamy situation where Sham doesn't want to fight Shanks but will be forced to thanks to his mark.

[brittle basin]

Ida would've spat on it

[wet condor]

I think she would've still cosigned what Harald was doing tbh lol

[stone terrace]

In fact, im sure a CD wouldve wanted her

[indigo yacht]

At worst he’s naive but the path to hell is paved with good intentions. I’d argue that if he didn’t get rugpulled by Imu at the end when what they wanted clashed Elbaf would’ve been better off. Harald had no reason to distrust the WG as they filled their end of the deal and Giants relations with everyone improved drastically

He regrets what happened with rocks and on a personal level he probably would’ve preferred to work with him. But allying with rocks wouldn’t guarantee that Elbaf as a whole would be better off because the story then becomes “giants Ally with world’s worst criminal” and their reputation plummets

[atomic spindle]

Ida was the best ruler/counselor after all

[wet condor]

Probably lol

[deep chasm]

lowkey could see that

[lofty fern]

Sure, because that's just him. HE is the one paying the price for his entire country. Many a good king would take that option

[glacial bear]

In a sense, Hajrudin & Loki will help accomplish Ida & Harald’s dream. Loki will definitely be seen as a hero by the end of this Arc & hopefully be cleared of the defamation done to his image by Queen Estrid & her family

[lofty fern]

Ida was out there in the world. I think slavery has become so normalized, that she has to be aware of it

[atomic spindle]

I understand that it's hard, but in the end he moved from one extreme culture to the extreme of its opposite

[glacial bear]

Aww no that will hurt to watch 💔 Unfortunately that’s very possible

[glacial bear]

Yeah there needed to be a balance but King Harald went so extreme at it. Even Saul commented that Harald has sacrificed a lot by doing this

[lofty fern]

Correct, I think if Imu had strung him along even more so, start with a small regiment and then build and build, Harald would have probably gone along with it. However, Imu didn't think to take his time because Harald is now totally in his grasp now.

[haughty saddle]

His over correction makes total sense, given like, everything.

He likely has immense guilt over the decades he spent terrorizing, raiding, burning, and murdering as a young man.

[lofty fern]

I think over time, he would have balanced things out, or have left it to his successor. He just didn't want his entire country to go backwards the way it went once again

[haughty saddle]

Converts are always more radical than those born into their ideals

[lofty fern]

I'm going to put out a pretty crazy theory:
What if the person who stole the fruit, was Shanks?

[haughty saddle]

That’s not that crazy I don’t think

[atomic spindle]

I agree that the community is being harsh in criticizing him and things were not black and white from his position

[proud pivot]

@haughty saddle

[glacial bear]

Harald also did it out of love & to make Ida happy

[proud pivot]

@haughty saddle

[lofty fern]

The thing is, no one has mentioned this fruit except Rocks, but really that's it. Who would actually care about the fruit and who would have the opportunity?

[glacial bear]

When she passed away, it’s even more reason for him to do the things that he did. To honor her memory the best that he can

[haughty saddle]

@proud pivot @proud pivot

[lofty fern]

Though Shanks hasn't mentioned it either, but I can't really think of anyone else

[haughty saddle]

What up big dawg!!!!

[proud pivot]

Cam!!!!!!!

How've you been

[haughty saddle]

Thriving and shit like that man wby

[proud pivot]

Same goat

[lofty fern]

The crazy part is, what if Shanks' mission WAS to get the fruit and that's what he wanted to talk to Harald about. And while everything went down, he steals the fruit, gives it to the WG to stay in their good graces, only to steal it back a year later as a pirate?

[haughty saddle]

you love to see it

What was your most used emote this year ari

[ashen perch]

I was thinking that he wanted to warn Harald of the consequences of getting the Depths Covenant, the one he himself avoided

[urban lodge]

I really don't think the Elbaf fruit can be the Nika fruit anymore if Rocks didn't even know about Nika

[ashen perch]

thats why he said he needs to talk to him before its too late

which it was

[urban lodge]

Unless he just knows something very vague like "Elbaf fruit is strong"

[ashen perch]

now speaking of that, I wonder who clued Shanks in about that? I like the Shamrock idea

[pine ridge]

had to be shamrock

[lofty fern]

That's possible too. I feel like once the spot is filled, you havce to wait a while for a new one to open up, which would give Shanks time

[pine ridge]

they seemed close

[wet condor]

Could've been him

[urban lodge]

But that can't be true because he knows the fruit would be more effective in Harald's hands so he knows what it does

[wet condor]

I don't know about close lol. But I just see that potential redemption for him

[iron oriole]

What if Gunko's memories slipped a bit & she warned Shanks?

[urban lodge]

Peak...

[ashen perch]

Shamrock could maybe atleast regret getting it, and hoping for that to not happen to his brother

[lofty fern]

I'd like to see how Shanks even found out about his family in the first place

[iron oriole]

Roger for sure

[stone terrace]

"Hey King Harald. Sorry I called you yeti milker up there. No hard feelings right haha"

[atomic spindle]

I believe Teach is the one who told Shanks about the whole wg plot as Rocks seemed to know a lot about them

[wet condor]

"yeti milker?"

[steel stirrup]

This AI is getting too good now bruh ts almost fooled me

[wet condor]

I don't get it

[lofty fern]

She's too deep in I think. I have a theory that she hit her head as a kid and thats why she lost her memories

[dry hamlet]

robert downey as rayleigh

[wet condor]

I was taking about something else

[lofty fern]

lol, they wouldn't have enough money to pay RDJ to be in OP

[stone terrace]

hes also in the middle of being dr doom rn isnt he

😭

[ashen perch]

oh yea, reminds me, did a HK die offscreen or something? or was a spot open all along

[steel stirrup]

The AI tho is just wild

It almost bamboozled me

[glacial bear]

Besides, Netflix just recently spent a ton on acquiring Warner Bros

[wet condor]

Any person saying that AI won't be able of creating facsimiles of human art is big time coping lol

[iron oriole]

Speaking of this, i don't think theres a limit & just only 13 in the world had previously reached HK status

[atomic spindle]

Eris even said something about Rocks not being ready to fight Imu
The Davy clan has some kind of journal passed down or something

[ashen perch]

alternatively, maybe 13 is just the number of privileged ones that already existed, and theres no-

yeah I was gonna say

[steel stirrup]

83 Billion is wild as fuck

[ashen perch]

yea, Kierran, maybe theres just no limit whatsoever

[stone terrace]

thats what i spend on lunch

[lofty fern]

I don't see why he would. Teach and Shanks aren't chummy or even talk. And Teach barely tells his own men anything. I think Teach is more like Rocks at least in that way. He trusts no one really. He didn't even tell his best friend about Imu

[urban lodge]

Netflix owning hbo now is crazy

[wet condor]

I don't use streaming services, but that is crazy

[glacial bear]

Which is crazy things are getting casually monopolized now

[lofty fern]

I assume so? Unless the 13 number can shift

[wet condor]

And warner brothers?

Wtf

[iron oriole]

Well when i say no limit, i don't mean literally no cap... thats obviously too broken but you get the idea

[ashen perch]

they didnt say that only 13 would ever be allowed in, they said only 13 currently have it

so I could see it

[iron oriole]

Yeah

I think its better than just having a HK or two die offscreen as well

[glacial bear]

Imu’s pitchfork & grimoire book was interesting

[ashen perch]

yea I dont mean that hundreds can exist, but anywhere from 10-20 or whatever should be fine and theres no hard limit on it

I doubt they just demote a HK when a Devoted Blade is good enough to be a HK, or they just wait forever for one of them to die. That would be a bit of a flawed system lol

[stone terrace]

just give the mid ones early retirement

[runic dock]

I get what you’re saying and yeah I completely agree , that was just my crass way of putting it , if only he listened to ida more carefully , he was like a dog that found a good bone (Ida’s dream) and started to wear horse blinders (metaphorically)blocking his vision from anything else that could have been important

[pine ridge]

I think it's gonna be similar to moria where the more people imu has to control the harder it is

[indigo yacht]

Honestly yea Imu should’ve taken his time to get Harald to build everything up and keep using the carrot but he just went for the stick immediately

[urban lodge]

Yeti HK sadly passed away of old age so they had an open spot

[brittle basin]

why the desperation though? especially since Imu just casually waited another 14 years to even do it again?

[tawny panther]

maybe at most Teach told him he plans to to rule the world but i don’t think he would tell Shanks much more than that .. we saw Shanks talk to WB and say “Teach won’t ever be satisfied and will keep aiming for the top “ maybe he knew that based on what Teach told him when they fought in the past

[ashen perch]

well Imu was planning to wait, he was going to promote Shanks

his disappearance just put Harald next in line

[brittle basin]

wait for what? the world to flood?

[iron oriole]

It would be a bit wasteful too... you got whats supposed to be an immortal soldier & if we look at Saturn as having his contract removed... Imu just killing off an immortal soldier because a new & better one came along just seems unlikely (Saturn was around for at least 200 years after all)

[ashen perch]

yea

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[ashen perch]

to prove himself further I guess

[runic dock]

You could argue shanks himself is what caused a delay in Harald becoming an Hk overall , because if shanks didn’t decide to insert himself into mariejois they would have just went straight to Harald

[pine ridge]

not really desperation. imu might've just assumed if harald refuses he could take control and do it anyway. imu just didnt expect harald to be killed so quickly

[ashen perch]

also true yea

[brittle basin]

Oh, btw. So Imu can't domi reversi through the pentagram? Since Harald is resisiting?

[runic dock]

He probably will eventually , like next chapter , rocks resisted too

[brittle basin]

like they have to be there, even if through proxy like Gunko?

[runic dock]

Not confirmed yet

[pine ridge]

it's also ironic that harald took the spot that shanks was supposed to get while shanks was probably trying to warn harald not to take the offer

[brittle basin]

hurry up and confirm it in two weeks oda

[urban lodge]

I think domi reversi is kinda pointless because this is a better contract that already lets Imu directly control them

[ashen perch]

yeah, Harald said that he wont last long anyways

[muted hedge]

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[runic dock]

It honestly already looked like he was being taken over and the same thing that was happening to rocks was happening to Harald , Harald may have a better resistance to it , he was equal to rocks after all and he’s an ancient giant , but clearly by the time loki gets there Harald has ordered his men to stab him

To prevent the turning , but I doubt that helps

[ashen perch]

so he is resisting now, but eventually it was over for his mind

[iron oriole]

Yeah i dont see domi reversi being used here

[brittle basin]

domi reversi seems good at creating immediate armies at the very least.

[iron oriole]

Harald will just lose complete control

[ashen perch]

Domi Reversi seems to have the lowest level of contracts, the Diabolical Covenant

[runic dock]

And clearly he ordered his own guards to stab him

[ashen perch]

this all is more reserved for HKs

[runic dock]

But that is a fruitless effort

[grand flower]

@ashen perch even yt is doing this

[brittle basin]

is domi even a contract if it's forced?

[ashen perch]

lmao

[stone terrace]

imu had no pressing need at the time

[runic dock]

All of it can be argued as forced , a branding is a forceful gesture

[glacial bear]

Oh I like WWW!

[stone terrace]

he didnt know nika was coming back

[glacial bear]

I enjoy his content

[runic dock]

Hk is a branding

[grand flower]

He’s funny af

[ashen perch]

tbh YT makes sense, but Discord doing it is crazy

[stone terrace]

harald still had a lot of life left to live

[wet condor]

Yeah, Imu realized he had to expedite shit

https://tenor.com/view/lets-get-this-show-on-the-road-lets-get-this-show-lets-go-lets-start-the-show-gif-14135183

[ashen perch]

I didnt need Discord to tell me that I am a fucking loser who is among the top 0.36% chatters on the entire platform

like come on

[runic dock]

I think Harald in his last breathe asks Loki to eat the fruit of elbaf and end him

[brittle basin]

[atomic spindle]

It's all about his own benefit
Hurting the wg in any way and trying to recruit Shanks to his side

[glacial bear]

Mhm. I enjoy the skits he does sometimes in his reviews as well. I think one of my favorite videos is when he tried out a WWE cookbook

[brittle basin]

I really want to know what overall goal Imu has? Or is it just simply "keep ruling"

[lofty fern]

Don't think it was desperation, it's just that once a spider has you full bound in its web, why wait?

[pine ridge]

slack recap when?

[glacial bear]

I DEFINITELY SEE THAT

[ashen perch]

the endgame was for the world to simply vanish according to Gunko

why Imu wants that, who knows

[stone terrace]

elbaf was kinda sorry even 14 years ago. Better to get them militarized so theyre ready for when needed

[glacial bear]

create a new world possibly with his devil magic

[lofty fern]

What he's using isn't DR, it's more like the contract itself is doing it. Imu doesn't have to do anything

[ashen perch]

maybe

[runic dock]

He wants to build a space highway directly thru where the planet is , since he’s from space after all

[brittle basin]

in that moment i know that he's not. but since domi is pretty immediate i just assumed he would go for that ace first

[lofty fern]

hard to tell, there will be a clensing in the future though

[runic dock]

Can imu be from space AND the sea god?

[ashen perch]

Imu was so good this chapter, Oda is doing a great job with him

[brittle basin]

Space-Sea Piece

[glacial bear]

I think Imu is very paranoid about the “promise” of Joyboy’s

That’s why Imu killed Saturn

[runic dock]

Black holes = space = abyss = ocean

[urban lodge]

I love that panel with Imu's eyes above Harald

[lofty fern]

No need, this contract is far more binding, plus the person doesn't have to scare people as a demon.

[brittle basin]

https://tenor.com/view/cooking-cook-large-cook-crazy-cooking-let-him-cook-gif-7665623921422416937

[runic dock]

Same , it got very He-man masters of the universe out of nowhere

[ashen perch]

Imu can be from space and the sea devil/god yea, theres that whole trope of gods being just aliens that humans began to worship

[lofty fern]

Not sure if Joyboy had a promise, only Davy so far.

[ashen perch]

Oda might have his own take on that, who knows

[brittle basin]

do you think Imu will go that route if Harald is too resistant to the current contract?

[runic dock]

Joyboy had a promise , reread FMI

[lofty fern]

But we haven't seen Teach even consider Shanks. They barely know each other

[brittle basin]

yeah i loved that, real old school animation vibes.

[lofty fern]

That was to the mermaid princess not Imu

[runic dock]

Oh , yeah

I meant in general there’s a promise with joyboy

[brittle basin]

btw fire this architect

[glacial bear]

Imu will fall victim to Down D. Stairs

[runic dock]

Okay kuina death is believable now

[iron oriole]

The true Final Boss of OP

[brittle basin]

I D. A

[ashen perch]

I dont think Koushiro had an empty throne somewhere in Shimotsuki

[runic dock]

Gandhi koushiro connections

Or maybe same architect

[ashen perch]

wait true

[atomic spindle]

Yeah it's more of an assumption
We only know they met and Teach scarred him
I am basing this only on the knowledge the Davy seems to have on wg

[brittle basin]

now we're getting the tinfoil out

[glacial bear]

I wonder what former kingdoms the Elders used to rule over before moving to Mariejois

The one thing that the HK have in common is they all stemmed from Royalty, including Harald

[runic dock]

Anime could go all in on this and make a water droplet sound right before this panel lol

[muted hedge]

also reminds me of a whirlpool

[urban lodge]

I hope Imu was the original king of Ballywood

[indigo yacht]

“Imu takes what they wants they want” is probably their thought process. Harald died that project probably went nowhere for a while until now that it’s needed again

Do you guys think imu sometimes shoots the shit through telepathy with the gods knights when he’s bored?

[iron oriole]

Nusjuro the former Shogun of Wano but Joyboy protected the rest of the people by making the wall

[runic dock]

They didn’t have another puppet king of elbaf after Harald died , seems like they wanted to make the subjugation look willing at first , as if they needed the puppet king for it first

[indigo yacht]

Yo killingham wanna grab a beer later?” “Very cool how you killed those slaves Garling”

[muted hedge]

i hope we get a proper explanation for what members have what covenant

i assume most of them have the depth one

[glacial bear]

When Nusjuro noticed Zoro’s Kitetsu. It made me ponder if Nusjuro possibly met the creator of the Kitetsu swords since he’s so ancient

[muted hedge]

but maybe some exceptions have the abyssal

[runic dock]

Maybe he didn’t want to use domi reversi on the giants right away and wanted them to become willing soldiers first , maybe domi reversi in a wide range strains him?

Just shooting out stuff

[pine ridge]

or if he is the creator

[iron oriole]

I mean he has Shodai Kitetsu

[indigo yacht]

Every gods knight have the depths. Abyssal is probably reserved for the elders

[frigid gulch]

Harbald

[stone terrace]

Harald did say he'd be a slave

No lies from imu

[muted hedge]

well the distinction between 'commander' and 'supreme commander' must mean something

[iron oriole]

Gunko could very well be Abyssal too

[indigo yacht]

Since Shallow just gives them access to the abyss. Depths gives them immortality but not agelessness. Abyssal probably gives them immortality + agelessness

[muted hedge]

if i had to guess, Shamrock and Gunko at least will have abyssal

[woven talon]

Harald is more gullible than Oden, idk that was possible

[iron oriole]

Or at least has extra bits on top of the Depths

[lofty fern]

You remember in the episode with Imu and Cobra? I can now see why it took so long for Imu to ascend the throne 😆

[indigo yacht]

Oh true Gunko could be an exception since she’s Imus personal attendant

[glacial bear]

Gunko doesn’t age like the 5 Elders. It’s very plausible she does have the abysmal super max contract like them

[woven talon]

We should do gullible scaling

[brittle basin]

Harald wins for now i guess

[bold sonnet]

It feels like an image thing since they love to portray as this willfully good org. Harald just happened to knock into their doorstep and Imu took that chance.
Elbaph being left alone for 14 years also makes sense since they didn't wanted to forcefully subjugate an entire nation which would have hurt their image. All hell broke loose after the VP's broadcast and they no longer care about it. They are preparing for the final war.

[frigid gulch]

[woven talon]

But Garling aged.

[digital spear]

I think Harald did nothing wrong

[woven talon]

I think the earlier contracts slow aging

[muted hedge]

kinda cracked how Imu can literally just control you when you've got the depth covenant

[indigo yacht]

Abyssal is probably for elders + gunko since she personally attends to Imu

[woven talon]

He should’ve sided with rocks

[glacial bear]

Garling was a God Knight the majority of the story until recently becoming an Elder

[ashen perch]

well Sommers did have a different mark so that might not be true

[keen quiver]

To be fair you have to walk into that one

[cunning narwhal]

damn do you guys think gunko has a yokai form too?

[lofty fern]

I disagree. I think Oden was doing it all for Orochi and Kaido and had little to show for his efforts, but with Harald, he SAW the benefit. What he wanted was right there. It WAS working. It wasn't like he was constantly doing it and got nothing back.

[muted hedge]

i think it's a bit weird if 'commander' and 'supreme commander' gets nothing extra granted, despite the distinction of their rank

[urban lodge]

I think Sommers just has a regular ass tattoo

[pine ridge]

sommers has the level 2 armband

[dense haven]

ida is gone 🦀

[keen quiver]

And he can just domi reversi you

[ashen perch]

but its possible that he just happens to have a tattoo too for some reason

[glacial bear]

So I think if you have the highest tier of contract with Mu sama. Your appearance will forever stay the same

[muted hedge]

yeah but when you have, you're fucked essentialy

[cunning narwhal]

same he probably extended it on his own 😭

[stone terrace]

Imu told shanks to bring baby oil and he dipped

[ashen perch]

armband isnt the mark on the body tho, its different

[keen quiver]

You got the duck too ?

😭

[ashen perch]

yea

[indigo yacht]

That’s either a different mark or just a random tattoo he got

[ashen perch]

I thought I was special but apparently everyone gets the duck smh

[pine ridge]

why would he have a level 2 armband with level 3 tattoo

[woven talon]

Right but I’m commenting on the fact that Gunko didn’t age much. I think they both do, but slowly

[ashen perch]

it could be

[muted hedge]

what duck?

[keen quiver]

I saw someone get a snail

Been calling them snail boy

[lofty fern]

That would have been the wrong call.
It's actually interesting, I think GLR pointed this out that no matter which direction they went, Rocks way or Harald's way, both of them ended up in the same spot.

[bold sonnet]

I got the rare capybara

I hope it is rare since I haven't seen anyone else with it

[ashen perch]

ooh I have just seen ducks so far but thats neat

[stone terrace]

is it random

[alpine trench]

shamrock also probably has it

[ashen perch]

yea the capybara is rare

[bold sonnet]

[ashen perch]

if its just the symbol of HKs, he would still be wearing it

[alpine trench]

since he can summon cerberus using the same seal

[keen quiver]

Capybara for sure is rare

[woven talon]

That’s true but Oden was on a hostage situation where he was guaranteed to lose something. Harald would’ve been fine doing nothing and reforming more locally or siding against the WG

[cunning narwhal]

i hope the bonsai is rare but i saw a ton of people with it yesterday so it prob isnt

[indigo yacht]

They don’t. Garling aged but we know the elders don’t age so they must have some extra. Same with Gunko but she’s a special case

[lofty fern]

I think it's pretty simple:
Blades of god: Shallows
Holy Knights: Depths
Elders: Abyssal

[keen quiver]

What the hell is Sommers tattoo then

[pine ridge]

and they just happen to be the same symbols?

[indigo yacht]

Just a tattoo probably

[rose rune]

where my deep deep bros at

[keen quiver]

Because I doubt he got abyssal

[lofty fern]

They get to give orders, why should they get more?

[cunning narwhal]

i think he just got it on his own

[muted hedge]

i guess he thought it looked good

[urban lodge]

He just wanted a sick tat

And he got one

[muted hedge]

i mean i can understand 'commander' not getting more, but 'supreme commander' should be abyssal in my opinion

[iron oriole]

I got an origami one

[haughty saddle]

🫡

[muted hedge]

yeah that's true

[ashen perch]

why did Sommers just feel like getting a tattoo on his left arm

[lofty fern]

Why would Sham have abyssal?

[keen quiver]

How ???

He has regen

The tattoo wouldn't stick

😭

[ashen perch]

also true yea

[steel stirrup]

He just told the artist to freestyle

[keen quiver]

Needle acoc

[indigo yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/beetlejuice-just-hanging-around-gif-9969679485088044404

[glacial bear]

Saint Garling when he strutted into the room of Authority:

[tranquil blade]

Idk aura

[keen quiver]

I guess he got that tattoo before he became a god knight ?

[frigid gulch]

Why does any character ever have tattoos

[ashen perch]

the abyss marks so far have only been on the left arm, so thats why I kinda question that

[lofty fern]

OMG, duh. We're so dumb. He had the tattoo BEFORE he became a knight. Thus the mark just happens to be on the same arm

[steel stirrup]

Is that why some of them have the mark on armbands

[indigo yacht]

The tattoo doesn’t have to be on the arm does it?

[keen quiver]

Its the only way I can think of this working. Cause otherwise they have a tattoo artist with acoc doing crazy work.

[urban lodge]

It's definitely not the abyssal because as much as I love him Sommers is a bum, plus he ages normally

[glacial bear]

A tramp stamp tattoo lmao

[lofty fern]

It's like why the Elders have scars, they had them before they got regen

[cunning narwhal]

its not like he has shown any aditional powers that regular hk dont get

[frigid gulch]

The symbol on the armband is likely the Knights’ symbol

[muted hedge]

i think it's very funny if Sommers just chose to get that tattoo since he thought it looked good on him

[indigo yacht]

Yea I mean maybe

[keen quiver]

The one with horns that qillinham has is the GK mark

[frigid gulch]

It doubles as the mark

And an insignia

[tranquil blade]

I refuse to believe that old fuck got an abyssal mark

[ashen perch]

its been on Shanks and Harald's left arms so far, and people have speculated that thats a reference to the left hand being associated with the devil

[hallow herald]

hey guys wtf is the point of Oda showing us the mark on Shanks if it doesn’t change anything about his character?

[ashen perch]

it might be somewhere else but who knows, that kinda makes sense to me

[indigo yacht]

That he used to be a gods blade

[keen quiver]

Yeah I wouldn't ask if it wasnt the same general area the tattoo is in

[dense haven]

why is the left hand of the devil

[pine ridge]

they've also been above the elbow and more on the tricep side. sommers' tattoo was under the elbow

[steel stirrup]

In cartoons the devil on the shoulder does seem to always pop on rhe left shoulder

[hallow herald]

but like why do we care

[glacial bear]

Cuz the devil ain’t right

[lofty fern]

If you look at sommers tattoo, it shows a bunch of thorns and vines. It's probably just his own flair

[tranquil blade]

because left handed people are evil

[steel stirrup]

While the angel is always in the right shoulder

[fluid cedar]

It teased that he was apart of the blades before showing it to us

[lofty fern]

Because the left is sinister

[keen quiver]

For a while we had the designs for both

[stone terrace]

shanks losing his arm means he lost the ability to use the abyss im guessing

[ashen perch]

it was some biblical thing, idk

[hallow herald]

no but like if he got everything he wanted from the CDs and then dipped scott free and is super awesome and cool, why do we care

[pine ridge]

yeah because left handed people are evil

[stone terrace]

he cant be summoned against his will either

[glacial bear]

Imu accidentally doubled marked Sommers lol

[lofty fern]

Tattoo, not armband

[steel stirrup]

Is this an American Dad reference

[ashen perch]

yea, but still the left arm

[indigo yacht]

Because he was part of the group. They all get that shallow contract

[iron oriole]

More than likely

[keen quiver]

I assume they also have the mark on them

That doesn't seem optional

[hallow herald]

yea so like unless he still has a contract why do we care, why did Oda call attention to this

[lofty fern]

Historically left has been seen as evil. That's why left in latin is "sinister"

[steel stirrup]

My half cooked theory is the arm band is for anyone who Imu deems interchangeable and the tattoo is for anyone Imu wants to be able to possess and keep closer eyes on

[fluid cedar]

Losing his arm on purpose to terminate his contract or something

[dense haven]

that's why the left is woke

[steel stirrup]

That's how I rationalize it until we learn more

[pine ridge]

shanks has both tattoo and armband

[glacial bear]

Since Shanks had a Shallow Sea Contract. It was better for him to get rid of that arm before Imu converts it to a higher Deep Sea contract, which in that case he would be screwed

[atomic spindle]

I mean " right" is the same word for " right"

[indigo yacht]

Because it helps to recontextualize shanks losing his arm at foosha village. If he had the arm you’d probably assume he still has the mark. Without the arm he doesn’t have the mark anymore

[wet condor]

How long do you guys think Oda had thought of all this, assuming that it's true

[ashen perch]

I imagine the Shallow contract still has a connection to Imu, dont see why it wouldnt

[glacial bear]

Shallow Sea Contract doesn’t seem to grant anything special, more like just an agreement that you’re associated with the WG

[fluid cedar]

5 minutes prior to drawing it

[lofty fern]

It depends on how much we see of him later down the line. I still think he might have been the one to meet the elders

[wet condor]

Like Shanks gave up his arm to get rid of his abyss tatt

[steel stirrup]

Shanks came back from the surface world, maybe Imu tatted them with something more permanent because they may have had some inkling of what he was really doing

[glacial bear]

Yeah like a pathway to Imu’s approval. I think the real power starts with the deep sea

[ashen perch]

yea

[frigid gulch]

It’s a superficial connextion

[indigo yacht]

Probably didn’t think of it at the moment and added it later down the line

[lofty fern]

I mean, that's all CDs, It has to mean more than that

[hallow herald]

so like what does this add to his character that he used to have the lamest version of a curse and then broke it

[steel stirrup]

Nah im like 78% sure you are correct

[hallow herald]

i agree

[glacial bear]

Probably a devil fruit if the recipient accepts it

[leaden rivet]

Definitely

[glacial bear]

Like Spandem rewarding the CP9 agents

[ashen perch]

We dont really know a whole lot about the Shallow contract, it could still atleast allow Imu to excercise some level of control on the one who has it, or kill them instantly like he killed Saturn

[leaden rivet]

Any chance of this still being a devil fruit

[lofty fern]

Right I think is dextra

[tranquil blade]

Imu probably wouldve killed Shanks if that was true

[tranquil blade]

Like a 6% chance

[ashen perch]

well not after the arm was eaten

[keen quiver]

It can still be a fruit

[pine ridge]

I just think the armband is there to make sure your mark is visible

[indigo yacht]

One piece from odas vision at chapter 1 was way different than what we have today. He’s just tying things back together

[keen quiver]

Nothing I've seen makes me doubt that

[frigid gulch]

Shanks’ haki was just that good

[urban lodge]

It's the sea devil possessing Nerona Imu the monarch

[keen quiver]

We just forgetting how complex some fruits are

[tranquil blade]

Yeah but he doesnt instantly lose his arm after leaving

[ashen perch]

it actually could still be a fruit, this is similar to multiple DFs that we have seen in the series

well Imu may have not wanted to instantly kill him yknow

[keen quiver]

Like we haven't seen the soul fruit or moria's do this

[ashen perch]

and Sugar

[steel stirrup]

Shallow: Teleportation to Pre Made Marks

Deep Sea: Regen, Immortality, Strength boost

Abyssal sea: Teleportation and the ability to create a working way point, and Yokai transformation.

Thats how I see it rn

[ashen perch]

Hobi Hobi

[latent hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/big-mom-misery-craztic-one-piece-one-piece-1066-gif-10514147338949970205

[lofty fern]

I think "Nerona Imu" was just the human identity that the earth god/sea devil put on

[latent hamlet]

Soul fruit be like:

[urban lodge]

That's possible

[keen quiver]

"Must be an actual witch"

[steel stirrup]

I've been leaning towards that too

[iron oriole]

Deep can place the abyss marking

[proud pivot]

She kinda bad I won't lie

[ashen perch]

like it could all still be a DF that is just the strongest we have ever seen. The most complete DF ever. The ultimate Devil Fruit. THE Devil Fruit.

[lofty fern]

Actually, come to think about it. If Harald can make a mark, can't anyone?

[latent hamlet]

U can thank hera for that

[bold sonnet]

My theory is that Imu started as good, but was slowly corrupted by the Earth God fruit and was completely possessed after awakening it.

[latent hamlet]

Imagine if zeus was there instead

[tranquil blade]

tbf the soul fruit didnt make people unkillable and in some cases unable to age

[proud pivot]

True

[steel stirrup]

If it wasn't for the the fact that the art is clearly showing to be an armband, I woukd just say that its a part of their outfit that has been cut out so the mark is visible

[ashen perch]

I do think theres a good chance that Imu is just the devil, but he could also just have a DF thats called "The Devil Fruit"

[tranquil blade]

Law's fruit can do that but Law would literally have to die to grant it

[latent hamlet]

Im banking on mephistopheles

[iron oriole]

He got upgraded to Depths

[ashen perch]

Hobi Hobi no Mi did though, her toys were immortal

[indigo yacht]

I don’t think the mark even at the abyssal level can straight up kill them if Imu wants. For depths Imu could command them to commit suicide and for Saturn I assume Imu removed the mark which caused him to immediately age and die

[glacial bear]

I wonder what did happen to all of the original 20 kings. I think after the Empty Throne vow, something did happen to them

[steel stirrup]

Maybe that goes into Deep Sea

And the only ting Abyss grants is a Yokai form

[glacial bear]

All of them I imagine have crazy ego’s as well

[lofty fern]

Yeah, but any knight can then?

[leaden rivet]

Good point

I hadn’t thought of it like that

[iron oriole]

Presumably yeah

Just nobody in the Shallows contract

[steel stirrup]

I was under the impression that you needed to get to the final level to receive immortality but Harald was given immortality at the 2nd level

[glacial bear]

Sugar also wears a crown. Just like Imu

[urban lodge]

Immortality in this case is regeneration

[glacial bear]

^

[pine ridge]

they probably all fought for the throne and imu won and just made up the story about laying down their swords

[urban lodge]

Perennial youth is still presumably level 3

[lofty fern]

We know level 2 has immortality because all the HKs can regen

[iron oriole]

But you need at least Shallows to travel through it however

[lofty fern]

"immortality" as in regeneration

[ashen perch]

Sugar was basically a big walking reference to Imu, Doffy really wanted to be like him lmao

[steel stirrup]

Yea regen is 2 and eternal youth is 3

Which shows how much Imu is playing favorites with Gunko

[muted hedge]

i hope we get to know the 13 who knows about Imu

[indigo yacht]

Level 1 can just travel with the portals but can’t create
Level 2 can create + travel + regen + mind controlled by Imu
Level 3 same as before + agelessness. Probably able to be a vessel for Imu

[glacial bear]

Usopp defeated Sugar. Perhaps JOYBOY has a crew mate named LONG NOSE that will give Imu sama PTSD

[pine ridge]

blue hair privilege

[iron oriole]

I still think the not aging is from the Ope Ope, i doubt Oda makes that a thing & doesn't follow up on it

[indigo yacht]

Only two people has Imu completely taken over and that’s Gunko and Saturn

[steel stirrup]

Sugar is the closest to Imu in terms of a antagonist with just straight hax

[leaden rivet]

Even kinda talks like Imu

[lofty fern]

Have a crazy theory that Gunko is related to Imu somehow, which is why she gets privilages

[steel stirrup]

[leaden rivet]

Except the cringe third person

[proud pivot]

Damn bro I didn't even recognise you with all that makeup at first

[fluid cedar]

pretty overpowered if it can be shared by the individual who got it

[rich hornet]

You would think but the way Saturn died really implies it was all imu

[tranquil blade]

Dressrosa is basically all foreshadowing to how the WG operates

[steel stirrup]

Maybe. Its possible.

The way the HK spoke about Gunko makes it seem like she is really a Pet

[pine ridge]

I think imu had the ope ope surgery, the rest are just borrowing some of imu's infinite lifespan

[indigo yacht]

The steam does a lot I don’t really like it too much

[ashen perch]

He did rapidly age but the black flames came that were choking him, that later cause an explosion, could be part of what caused his death too

[frail cradle]

she’s a favorite pet

[ashen perch]

they couldnt kill these soldiers

[glacial bear]

Is Saturn Latino? Since he has Garcia in his name

[steel stirrup]

I think Imu is a child

Or has the mind of one

[steel stirrup]

LMAOOO

[iron oriole]

Well i think Imu revoked the contract & any damage that was sustained during the period being under contract all came back at once & thats why Saturn just like burned up

[muted hedge]

it feels like Imu is more or less primordial

[steel stirrup]

There is precedent to Zoan fruits taking over the user's will.

Maybe that happened to Imu

[muted hedge]

it doesn't feel like a fruit at all to me

[golden valley]

It feels like Imu stole power more than always being this way

[steel stirrup]

Yea it seems like more than just a fruit ability

But whatever it is we know it can be countered with Haki

[golden valley]

I think Imu just took a pre existing power

[muted hedge]

i think that Nerona Imu is possessed, somehow

[frail cradle]

imu’s gotta be a reference to akira

[golden valley]

Perhaps

[pine ridge]

I dont think imu has a fruit power. he just found the grimoire and abuses it

[rich hornet]

I think he stole from Davy specifically

[muted hedge]

and presumably Nika as well as the second fruit

[steel stirrup]

The fact that Imus powers can be negated with Haki implies that it is all fruit based.

[frail cradle]

imu is the sea

[pine ridge]

luffy is the sun

[frail cradle]

sorry imu is earth

[steel stirrup]

If Knot Piece hadn't happened I would assume Imu is something more but ngl i think this is all a DF ability of some overpowered Mythical Zoan based on a God

[frail cradle]

imu wants the universe to be geocentric

however the truth is our solar system is helio centric

[muted hedge]

Imu seems to be a lot of things

Forest, Sea and Earth

[indigo yacht]

It’s probably a bit of both? Like the flames and explosion come about the contract being terminated and the agelessness going away made him turn to nothing but bones afterwards

[lofty fern]

I feel like Imu's been around way long than Davy was

[frail cradle]

back then people though sun was rotating earth. the truth is backwards

[steel stirrup]

I noticed that too.

Old world thought the universe revolved around the Earth

[urban lodge]

If he stole Davy's power I'm gonna vomit

[golden valley]

Likely did

[bold sonnet]

Possibly. Started off with good intention but was slowly corrupted by the fruit until he was totally taken over.

[frail cradle]

go vomit

https://tenor.com/view/rbd-christopher-uckermann-paper-bag-hyperventilating-gif-14521463

[steel stirrup]

You hate anyone that isnt WG

[urban lodge]

Eliminate the Davy clan, Imu was right

[ashen perch]

Davy was just some clown who sat on the throne for a few minutes, thats all

[lofty fern]

It's why I think his mark is made of Earth, Sea and (hell or sky, I'm deciding on that)

[golden valley]

oh yeah, yall stay on that side

[latent hamlet]

So Stelly

[ashen perch]

yeah

[indigo yacht]

Davy was just a jolly old man

[steel stirrup]

Its possible and has more weight than that Klabautterman theory

[steel stirrup]

Boy fuck you

[bold sonnet]

[lofty fern]

I think Rocks knew some things, but he obviously had holes. I think he heard "king of the world"and ran with it, not knowing what that title really means

[rich hornet]

Nerona Imu was a founding king. They both date back to VC

[lofty fern]

The name "Nerona Imu" does, but the entity that is Imu is older. I think that name was just his human alias

[steel stirrup]

Rocks couldn't truly be Davy reincarnated because he has teeth

[frail cradle]

not reincarnate, just descendants

[steel stirrup]

More irrefutable proof that BB is the true heir

[rich hornet]

Could be but I’m not convinced

[golden valley]

Davy jones is getting a redesign

Obv

[urban lodge]

Oda hates good things

Keep the silly little guy design

[rich hornet]

Everything we see about imu makes sense if he’s a spoiled kid from 800 years ago, he doesn’t have to be some primordial

[steel stirrup]

I think this is really reincarnation

[golden valley]

Unfortunately he won’t

[frail cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/francoddlj-davy-jones-pirates-of-the-caribbean-piratas-del-caribe-franco-gif-26552924

[real trout]

Its funny how rocks and his wife have colorful hair, but bb has pitch black hair

[frail cradle]

his design is perfect already

[real trout]

Even as a child

[iron oriole]

BB Kraken DF theory upscale

[real trout]

Could bb be adopted?

[steel stirrup]

Cut ts out

[urban lodge]

What

[frail cradle]

no pls

[rich hornet]

Blackbeard wouldn’t be Blackbeard if his beard wasnt black

[steel stirrup]

"WhAt"

[frail cradle]

dont start

bb is not adopted

[urban lodge]

Rich explain what you mean like a normal person please

[bold sonnet]

Bb was adopted by WB

[steel stirrup]

"Keep the silly little guy design"

Dont pmo

[real trout]

Ehh i think itd be funny if blackbeard didnt have black hair... whitebeard doesnt have a beard but he still has white hair...

[golden valley]

Changes are on the way, it was a low effort little guy design revealed not even in the manga but a sbs. Davy Jones is getting a redesign 🥲

[urban lodge]

Bruh

That's a good fun design

Making him an aura farmer would suck

[muted hedge]

what's a silly little guy design?

[steel stirrup]

This is a fighting Shonen manga

[frail cradle]

i meant the pieates of caribbean design is perfect

[urban lodge]

This

[real trout]

Imagine Kaido pre ts design rn

[ashen perch]

I can see the same design still translate to cool though

[golden valley]

Im talking about op davy jones

[real trout]

Gaimon

[muted hedge]

that one is great, yeah
feels really one piece if that makes sense

[frail cradle]

pre ts shichibukai design is my favorite

[urban lodge]

Yeah

[ashen perch]

you dont have to change it

[indigo yacht]

That’s why BB is Davy bc no teeth

[steel stirrup]

Cap

[ashen perch]

I have seen some fanart, where he looks super cool

[indigo yacht]

Did you guys see that stupid ass sandman post?

[ashen perch]

surely you have seen it too as a Xebec fan

[golden valley]

No?

[real trout]

"Silly design"

[indigo yacht]

https://fxtwitter.com/sandman_ap/status/1996428313783652825?s=46&t=cJ2mYpihI1vpNerfq4HAtg

sandman (@sandman_AP)

Viz official translated it as “Empty Throne,” but that rendering is too weak. It fails to capture the religious, metaphysical, illusory, and deceptive connotations carried by Japanese word 虚. That is why I'd translate it as **Void Throne** as in Void Century.🔥

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[steel stirrup]

Show me

[bold sonnet]

The empty throne thingy?

[tranquil blade]

I definitely saw it but I already forgot what it is

[indigo yacht]

Yea

[bold sonnet]

Lol

[steel stirrup]

Cause I haven't seen it at all

[tranquil blade]

Oh yeah

[ashen perch]

he looks incredible here

[real trout]

And its all 7 mihawks

[tranquil blade]

That one

[tranquil blade]

I knew it was some stupid shit but I forgot exactly what it was about

[muted hedge]

i prefer the empty throne, simply because i am used to it

[indigo yacht]

“Viz translated it wrong” when the jp raws has it in english as the empty throne lmfao

[woven talon]

Bro it says empty throne right there

[real trout]

Sillhouette no horns -> reveal horns

Noticing

[steel stirrup]

Make him like 3 feet taller and I'll allow it

[urban lodge]

Keep him a short king

[ashen perch]

???

[urban lodge]

You just hate short people

[steel stirrup]

This mf was rivals with Imu and Joyboy

[tranquil blade]

I mean fanart could make Caribou look cool that doesnt mean much

[indigo yacht]

Yea idfk what he was on lol

[steel stirrup]

Nah Luffy is supposed to be the shortest mf in the fight thats the point

So he gotta be at least taller than that

[muted hedge]

he can be short and still rival Joyboy and Imu to be honest

[woven talon]

Just yapping

[lofty fern]

When has it not been called the empty throne?

[real trout]

= make his legs 3 feet taller and the other proportions the same

[ashen perch]

I genuinely am confused, what about his design in the SBS was giving short to you

[woven talon]

I see him repost the same quotes over and over

[urban lodge]

Luffy is never going to fight Davy Jones

[ashen perch]

like its just his upper body, he could be any height

[woven talon]

Never

[tranquil blade]

He's literally built like old Hyogoro

[frail cradle]

luffy IS davy jones

[real trout]

Also hes old, people shrink with age

[indigo yacht]

It’s from what sandman posted that viz translated it wrong but it’s .. what Oda used lol #also-manga message

[rich hornet]

what’s the issue. This is the Hyogoro treatment again

[steel stirrup]

Mirrors and shit

If Joyboy fought him and Joyboy was average height why would his rival be a short powerless greedy fucker

[ashen perch]

eh Oda could too, theres a lot of OP designs that wouldnt necessarily work if he wasnt trying to make them cool

[tranquil blade]

His short ass arm doesnt help either, you can tell he's short

[ashen perch]

true yeah

[golden valley]

The sbs design is just a chibi version lol

[real trout]

Its like saying gaban looks goofy

[golden valley]

Assuming the design is kept, his size will get upscaled

[woven talon]

To be fair, the graphic would have been from the editorial team, so maybe they made the choice 🤷‍♂️

[muted hedge]

assuming that just because Davy Jones was short means he would be powerless, is a bit weird

[woven talon]

But there’s no reason to not use empty throne

[indigo yacht]

Lokis belt looks like the face in the silhouette

[woven talon]

It’s right there

[steel stirrup]

If you are allowed to think Joyboy looks like Shanks of all people I am allowed to wish for a Davy Jones who isnt legally a midget

[lofty fern]

Void throne actually sounds dumb. It's like the throne got voided somehow. Like the throne itself doesn't exist

[woven talon]

And void makes it sound like it was vacated, like there was once someone sitting there but now it’s void

It’s the wrong nuance

[real trout]

Short = no aura

[frail cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-gaimon-gaimon-one-piece-buggy-buggy-one-piece-gif-4343727742390232210

[muted hedge]

i disagree

[woven talon]

lol we think alike

[frail cradle]

irrelevant

gaimon exist

[steel stirrup]

Unless you're trying to convince me that Davy was a Tontatta

[urban lodge]

That would be awesome

[real trout]

I disagree too

[ashen perch]

Davy if he was good...

[steel stirrup]

No tf it wouldn't😭

[tranquil blade]

Void throne makes no sense given its supposed purpose, empty throne makes far more sense

[frail cradle]

sandman was drunk

let him be

[muted hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/leo-leo-one-piece-kabu-kabu-one-piece-one-piece-gif-1443684618525292676

[golden valley]

I think it would be interesting….if Davy was a tontatta

[real trout]

Gaimon isnt really short, he compressed himself into the chest, in his backstory we see hes average height

[golden valley]

Holy tonatta upscale

[steel stirrup]

Goddammit

I should've never said ts

[ashen perch]

I think Oda is going to make Davy look like that for sure, I have no doubt

[muted hedge]

some of the tontatta have the most peak character designs

[ashen perch]

thats his design, its not changing

[golden valley]

It is

[urban lodge]

Not only do you hate short people but you're racist against Tontattas? Wow

[steel stirrup]

Tell that to Kaido and Loki's silhouettes

[ashen perch]

SILHOUETTE

come on man

[steel stirrup]

Boy go on somewhere with that bs

[golden valley]

Would bet a milly that its changing

[steel stirrup]

😭

[muted hedge]

Saldeath has no business being this cool looking

[frail cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-pappag-pappag-one-piece-pappagu-pappagu-one-piece-gif-5303069554823051266

[ashen perch]

Oda had made up his mind back, I think he wanted to introduce Davy all along, that was him officially introducing his design

[frail cradle]

pappug got swag

[golden valley]

This a real short king

[steel stirrup]

Isn't bro Canonically the shortest in all of OP

[tranquil blade]

First tuff looking tontatta

[ashen perch]

He wouldnt draw him if he didnt

[frail cradle]

pappug?

he’s the man

bro is fashion

[steel stirrup]

Yea i thought he was shorter than even the Tontattas

[frail cradle]

no its not

he’s bigger

[steel stirrup]

So its Tontattas and then Pappug

[frail cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-tony-tony-chopper-chopper-chopper-one-piece-pappag-gif-25034599

[muted hedge]

he is more Chopper sized, but yeah

[frail cradle]

i mean tontatta is basically fairy so

[steel stirrup]

I think Davy was a Buccaneer

[frail cradle]

too bad the buccaneer theory was just mistranslation

[urban lodge]

World's first short buccaneer

[steel stirrup]

Yea i remember them stealing shit

[ashen perch]

you people are simply unable to see the vision

[rich hornet]

It was made more of a possibility in the official what do you mean

[frail cradle]

why is WB not a buccaneer with that jaw

[glacial bear]

THE KING OF THE WORLD

[steel stirrup]

Nah its not based on that GV panel its the fact that most Buccaneers are shown to be a certain way and if BB and Rocks were descendants of Davy they all match the Buccaneers descriptions

[frail cradle]

in GV chapter it was just a callout from random CD

[glacial bear]

Teach’s Zehaha, Xebec is Vohaha, & Jones will be ???haha

[muted hedge]

i wonder if Blackbeard will have gotten his durag from Davy Jones, maybe as a heirloom

[keen quiver]

Imu so pissed about joyboy and davy he's still beefing 800 years later

[steel stirrup]

Taller than a human but not as tall as a Giant

Hella durable

A little splash of melanin

And BOOM you got a Buccaneer

[frail cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-kuma-kuma-one-piece-bartholomew-kuma-past-gif-1896615008865795370

[brittle basin]

https://tenor.com/view/carl-weathers-stew-gif-15364320

[steel stirrup]

They must have been shoving bro into lockers all thru high-school

[rich hornet]

That doesn’t matter. It’s the fact that the connection is being made and they drew attention to it by making it in bold.

It’s also just Shiryru’s speculation that the hinokizu is a gov operative, but thats as good as a confirmation from Oda

[steel stirrup]

In Clapps defense he may have been more durable if he wasnt getting beaten half to death every day as a slave

[keen quiver]

He's a malnourished slave

[steel stirrup]

That too

[frail cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-past-flashback-young-sad-gif-13210672779965716229

[keen quiver]

Plus Kuma clearly got more of the blood.

[steel stirrup]

Most definitely

[muted hedge]

i still think that Whitebeard is a buccaneer

[steel stirrup]

The 4C hair too

[keen quiver]

In the end I won't cry when teach packs some celestials

[frail cradle]

he has buccaneer jaw

[keen quiver]

People better not act like moral paragons

😭

"No you gotta debate the celestials"

[steel stirrup]

Whitebeard is the only possible Buccaneer who seems to be completely devoid of melanin

[frail cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/edward-newgate-whitebeard-marineford-arc-war-gif-7005679165319616421

[rich hornet]

I think so. It could come up with weevil

[frail cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/kuma-gif-26767891

[frail cradle]

same jaw

[golden valley]

Oda would keep this if hes sane

[steel stirrup]

But even then in his early coloring WB did have a slight tan to him but it was taken away when they figured out he would be an ally and not an antagonist

[urban lodge]

Davy will be a Rocks clone sadly

[glacial bear]

Joyboy and Davy Jones eating cherry pies together

[muted hedge]

i think he'll be more of a Blackbeard clone to be honest

[steel stirrup]

You mean Rocks is a Davy clone

[ashen perch]

He's going to look like his SBS self and it's going to be incredible

[steel stirrup]

I dont have any narcan dont od

[frail cradle]

is joyboy lufy clone

[keen quiver]

Davy jones likely to be closer to teach is my guess

[rich hornet]

Yes

With red hair lol

[ashen perch]

Shanks clone

[muted hedge]

Shanks and Luffy mixed into one

[steel stirrup]

His VA is the OG Luffy from the OVA

[glacial bear]

I’m sad the original VA for Blackbeard in the English dub passed away years ago

[steel stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/speed-laugh-ishowspeed-pops-cry-gif-10620065923649293004

[keen quiver]

Og teach passing away sucks

[ashen perch]

I say this about the Imu design theory too, I think he's going to look like the Vearth statue but the statue is going to be like a chibified version of him

[frail cradle]

= shamrock

[steel stirrup]

!nevercook

[tropic nova]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/294551467820580864/1133027499652165743/nevercookk.png?ex=66017b96&is=65ef0696&hm=0956b22048302348dc9364bd3e06f4a7dfac56ed0525d7ba715dd12d12ce7059&

[ashen perch]

Those designs were all decided a long time ago

[muted hedge]

what about the face that Enel has plastered on his Ark Maxim?

[ashen perch]

I doubt that

Vearth actually is a deification of the Earth itself, that was what the statue represented

[frail cradle]

it was modeled after this guy

[ashen perch]

If Imu is the Earth God then the idea of him looking like the Vearth statue is quite likely

[muted hedge]

i think the face which the Ark Maxim has, is also inspired by the Vearth statue to be honest

[frail cradle]

nah its his face

[glacial bear]

Those goats were so creepy

[steel stirrup]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1342244244018040884/1348879623416709120/look_at_this_dude_garp.gif

[ashen perch]

Rich what is your problem

[brittle basin]

nami clone sorry

[steel stirrup]

No problem keep going please

This is hilarious

[ashen perch]

I don't think spamming images and gifs is the right way to exist in a discussion

[brittle basin]

https://tenor.com/view/trafalgar-law-bepo-gif-3130146809645343091

[ashen perch]

You can just say "I disagree"

[ashen perch]

Its over Buffy

[steel stirrup]

I'd rather let you know that im laughing

[brittle basin]

imu looking like that goofy skypeia statue will end me

[ashen perch]

Imu is a little creature, every new panel reinforces this

And like I said

[steel stirrup]

Saying "I disagree" implies that I take any of this seriously

[ashen perch]

The statue is a statue, you know nobody in the mural is gonna look like that in real life

[bleak plover]

https://tenor.com/view/i-disagree-disagree-loki-tom-hiddleston-no-way-gif-22154549

[ashen perch]

Its the same thing there

The statue of Vearth is modelled after Imu, its not what Imu exactly looks like

Thats the whole idea

[thick mango]

That's not Tom hiddleston

[brittle basin]

it's neat

but

uh

i hate it

[steel stirrup]

Tom Hiddleston???

[ashen perch]

You're gonna love it, I think there's an awesome design to be made out of that statue

[brittle basin]

someone post that damn image

[muted hedge]

Tom Hiddleston will be Loki in live action

[ashen perch]

Just think of the statue as a chibified Imu

[steel stirrup]

Of what

No

[brittle basin]

there is fan art of imu being that statue

[tranquil blade]

Imu is gonna be one ugly bastard then

[ashen perch]

You're not getting hot woman Imu, you're not getting Lili Imu

[steel stirrup]

Drop worthy

[bleak plover]

Missed opportunity to cast Chris Pratt.

[tranquil blade]

We ARE getting Lili Imu tho

[ashen perch]

You're getting alien-esque, demon-esque, weird little creature-esque Imu

[muted hedge]

he'll be Hajrudin

[steel stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/lebron-james-lebron-walk-away-walk-out-lebron-walk-out-gif-12916038

[urban lodge]

Lily was killed by Davy Jones actually

[brittle basin]

https://tenor.com/view/disgust-disgusting-puke-vomit-eww-gif-19262390

[latent hamlet]

I want imu to be lili

So luffy can punch 2 nefertari women

[thick mango]

Is there any real reason behind this beyond that image there of them both having a rounded shape and people trying to tie existing things together

[latent hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-luffy-alabasta-vivi-punch-gif-11907289

[urban lodge]

Plus it makes no sense if Imu is staring at a portrait of themselves

[tranquil blade]

What if Davy Jones has even more hype moments and aura than Rocks

[brittle basin]

if imu looks like that, it just makes the "i desire vivi" look so much worse. Imu will never escape the incel allegations

[steel stirrup]

I swear on my immortal everlasting soul and the souls of my unborn children that I will stop reading if this happens

[muted hedge]

maybe, not more than Joyboy though

[urban lodge]

He will, but I'll be prepared this time

[rich hornet]

Imu is “the world” and the vearth statue is also called something like that

[thick mango]

I think we stretching. It's not impossible but ehhh

[ashen perch]

I explained it above

[tranquil blade]

What if Joyboy also is the same way so you have two characters with more hype and aura than Rocks in the same flashback

What will you do penny

[steel stirrup]

I will never look at a OP panel or watch an episode ever again if we get that Imu

[brittle basin]

If Imu looks like that, they better be an alien or an actual demon. i want no human blood in them at that point

[ashen perch]

Vearth is the deification of the Earth itself, the statue represents that idea

[urban lodge]

After Rocks I'm ready for Davy to be the wholesomest reddit chungus nice guy to ever live

[tranquil blade]

Can you survive a flashback like that?

[ashen perch]

If Imu is the Earth God, then he is Vearth

[brittle basin]

i need to see Oda's notes

[muted hedge]

it'll be a sad day when Joyboy slander start showing up

[urban lodge]

Same thing really, it's to be expected of Joyboy

He's gonna be like Shanks and Rocks combined and on steroids

[steel stirrup]

If Imu looks like that im dropping ts

[tranquil blade]

If he's like Shanks I might genuinely crash out so hard I get muted

[steel stirrup]

If Joyboy looks like Shanks on god yall gon have to ban me

[ashen perch]

Imu is described as the World, the Gorosei are all the planets of the Geocentric model of the Solar System, where the Earth is at its centre. The pieces are all clearly there for him to be the Earth God.

[steel stirrup]

I hate it

[tranquil blade]

Imu can be chopped idrc

[steel stirrup]

BUT IF JOYBOY LOOKS LIKE SHANKS???

[ashen perch]

If the Vearth Statue is the Earth as God, then Imu is Vearth. Its that simple

[urban lodge]

Since this flashback will be damn near 20 chapters, the void century flashback will be a full year of flashback, which will probably be pretty bad but Idk, at least I don't think their characters will be as bad as Rocks

[rich hornet]

It wouldn’t make any sense

[steel stirrup]

None at all

[muted hedge]

i mean Shanks already is very special, i wouldn't be surprised if he is direct descendant of Joyboy at this point

[steel stirrup]

Not a modicum

Not a crumb

Not a grain of sense

[steel stirrup]

Nah

[tranquil blade]

If he looks like Shanks acts like Shanks and has zero flaws like Shanks it's over

[rich hornet]

Even if he his joyboys’s descendant it still doesn’t makes sense

[ashen perch]

And again, its a statue, we are going to see that Imu will look similar but not the same

[steel stirrup]

Another Mary Sue

[leaden rivet]

We dont need another shanks I can barely handle the one we have

[urban lodge]

He's gonna be another character who was a mary sue for their entire existence but they died so you can't call him one

[steel stirrup]

I'd rather Joyboy look like Gaimon than Shanks

[leaden rivet]

Even rocks death hasn’t subsided penny’s rage

[tranquil blade]

Shanks dying might subside my rage

[urban lodge]

It's because we're talking about him

[steel stirrup]

No one matches that description

[urban lodge]

Rocks is pretty close

[steel stirrup]

Nah

[leaden rivet]

Shanks is like a definitive Mary sue, rocks isn’t

[grim ermine]

joyboy is kokoro's parallel

[steel stirrup]

Facts

[muted hedge]

Shanks and Xebec are the most loved and the most hated characters at the same time

[rich hornet]

How are they different

[muted hedge]

it's literally a 50% split of who loves and hates them, lol

[thick mango]

Rocks failed/died. He didn't even save his family really, kuma did

[tranquil blade]

Well Rocks is ugly and stabbed a child so he cant really be a mary sue

[urban lodge]

But these last chapters have been pretty great, my rage has subsided

[steel stirrup]

Rocks was not a Mary Sue at all he didnt get any motion until he was grown man and if we're being honest I dont think he was smart enough to come up with this plan anyway

[muted hedge]

i mean, Shanks got scarred and lost an arm

[tranquil blade]

Is this spotify wrapped for discord emotes?

[urban lodge]

Oda thinks stabbing children is awesome and based though

[wet condor]

When Rock shows up in Harald's flashback next chapter tho?

[urban lodge]

So is it really a flaw

[urban lodge]

Ew

[proud pivot]

Not emotes specifically

[leaden rivet]

Rocks goes through several great failures and great defeats, he fails throughout the entire flashback, he fails to convince Harald, he goes to Mariejois and his plan to kidnap the hostages and use it against Imu not only fails but Imu basically bitches him back home. And then when he fights Imu again he gets bitched again, turned into a monster in his own home town and then dies

[steel stirrup]

Rocks is not a Mary Sue idk where you got that take from

[leaden rivet]

He’s far from perfect

[tranquil blade]

I mean the scar was from the future final villain of the series and he probably lost his arm on purpose at this point so like

[steel stirrup]

Shanks is closer to being a Mary Sue than Rocks was

[muted hedge]

it should still count

otherwise it's just cherry picking

[brittle basin]

lol

[steel stirrup]

"You were the chosen child" allat shit screams Mary Sue

[wet condor]

Shanks damn near lost his left eye to pre-fruit Blackbeard and his left arm to the weakest sea king in the East Blue. Do these not count as Ls

[wet condor]

Man's has posted this at least twice today

[urban lodge]

He's a failed chosen one though

[wet condor]

And I swear you were posting it yesterday too

[wraith mantle]

I love it lol

[leaden rivet]

I don’t care that shanks lost an arm because not only did he possibly lose it on purpose it somehow didn’t make him any weaker losing his sword arm, it only benefitted him and he actually got stronger from it.