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I doubt they are equal in strength, there’s definitely differences depending on their DF ability
Garling is the weakest by far
I mean...
yes. I think the order is the same as the planets and saturn couldnt get past guard point chopper
how do you interpret oda going out of his way to say garling is strong in the special Q&A?
They're all relative to eachother but yeah i do think he's at the bottom
those bums have just been chilling, garling was out there
They probably think he is due to egghead and how it ended 
atlas manhandled ethan
atlas > chopper
garling is the odd one out of the group tho, he has his own plotline as shanks dad 
'Tis true
chopper slander in big 2025
it's not slander when it's true
I know right ❤️🩹
Strong compared to who? The centuries old elders? Or rocks? Maybe prime garp and Roger or whitebeard? Thats too vague, it doesn’t mean anything
They might be balanced differently in terms of stats but they are the same type of characters as inu and neko.
Yes I agree his strength will prolly vary
He hasn’t fought any top tier after god valley, as far as we know he was chilling in marijoa as well 
They at least fought joyboy in the void century
Peak
Choppa medicine
People also forget that Garling was included in the "who will get the One Piece" spread, he's a major player in the end game of OP
maaaan, ill ping you to hell when final war is kicking off and garling pushes dragon, shanks and shamrock into a 3v1
I can see that being the start of their downfall. Imu made a rash decision killing Saturn, and that will punish him with Garling fucking up
That’s why Oda’s portrayed him so pathetically maybe
What about the silhouette
Silhouette piece still going strong
That's just Shamrock
That was Shamrock
Really
What if his move as a major player is to be their weakest link 👀
interesting, and it makes sense that he wants One Piece.
i dont think killing saturn was a rash decision, egghead exposed too many saturn fuck ups
Insane that both twins and father is there
When the villain is strong, I love 2 vs 1 or 3 vs 1 fights
I call it rash because Imu decided to do it so fast the other Elders didn’t even know about it and Saturn hadn’t even left egghead yet
And Imu had a tantrum when he did it
Also Bonney mimicking nika is also crazy and he gave that df
like Roger and Garp vs Xebec!!
kinda crazy the only nerona we have met is imu
why would the other elders need to know ahead of time?
yeah, experimenting with a devil fruit that can be that OP is HILARIOUSLY bad
like pick literally any other df bruh
Imitating skills is what makes her very dangerous
MEEK [TCB]
[TCB]
Get back to work!
Why did you reply with a gif of child Nami what does that have to do with anything
she was probably frequently told to get back to work
because when you came back from work I thought you at least earned some money
I see
Well, Meek is a lousy VOLUNTEER
So his only thanks is people getting angry at him when they don't like his translation
they dont give you any cut of all those porn and virus ads?
sorry, my english is not very good!!! 
I think those profits go to the people who're risking prison time
i imagine its not very much money anyway
COOK HIS ASS
Oh, sorry, I mean Meek is a volunteer for TCB, the fan group who translates One Piece early. I'm making fun of him ironically because people expect too much from TCB
I think it's a few grand
a week?
Nevermind I have no clue
I think someone was making over 100k a year off of that
HUH
Just selling them
It's a decent chunk of change. Enough to risk prison time over it
oh, is that what led to the arrests
They were selling leaks for a lot of money
I can imagine upstream leakers have a lot of people they sell too
oh, interesting, but your work is very important to the fans!!
Yeah most folks take TCB for granted
Meek is lucky he doesnt go posting about his translating on twitter people would be very mean probably
people are complaining about the translations on Crunchyroll, you should help
while i would prefer we all just get viz on sunday and there were no leaks/spoilers, if there are gonna be leaks/spoilers, its better that some people put some effort into a decent translation
I don't translate, a user called Meek does
The world if the chapter came out at the same time every week at a set time with no spoilers
real
Nice try, Meek.
It’s not that they needed to know, but everything together says Imu made the decision very quickly while in a very emotional state
I think he lost his composure and control and lashed out
Now that Garling is cheeks
I feel like that’ll come together to punish Imu
Idk the look on the Elders after being sent back is almost like they knew Saturn was cooked
They were just caught off by Garling being his replacement so quick
I think that’s just them knowing how Imu is
Wrathful
I get the sense theyre placating that thing
They can’t stop him
did anyone else think of garlic?
(ok bad joke)
If they make him mad, he’s liable to wreak havoc and destroy the world or something

I do wonder if Garling knows the first thing about science
We haven't heard anything about that have we?
He doesn't really need to
Nope
Thats what York is for
At this point I’m doubting it
Also it's "Science & Defence"
Yeah
The scientist is Vegapunk
Saturn knew a little about science, he did human experiments
They need someone to hold Vegapunk accountable, even if it's York
But I suppose they can just make her a slave
I think theyll just give York the cushy life
They don’t really have a reason not to
yeah, at this point York is very valuable to them
She did science in egghead to sabotage them
Without York they wont be able to make more of the Mother Flame if its needed
I think she’ll just work and theyll just give her what she wants
it is
Oh shit
By "if its needed" i mean like if they was to run out of whats already made
It'll provide a timer for defeating the WG
oh, I see
hold up, you think the remaining 4 gorosei will rebell against imu?
omg nvm, i didnt read that right at all
but anyways, i disagree
saturn killing was peak decision
@ashen perch @stone tulip @hot cairn York and Blackbeard working together will come together with York setting up Garling, her guard dog, in an ambush from Blackbeard
Garling killed rocks after all
It’s the way Imu did it
Tbh tho york only wants to live luxuriously right?
He was having an emotional outburst
The elders could be like we'll feed u your foie gras and caviar as long as u work for us
Which is exactly what knights do
Ya
I cant see the WG being abusive towards York if shes like
Literally on their turf
With guards watching her every now and then
Can't wait for York to not be satisfied with the CD life
Her avarice will know no bounds
Maybe the literal incarnation of a deadly sin shouldnt be existing lol
It would be funny
I can 100% see it happening
Complains that its not enough
Something feels "missing" & shit
Thats the entire point of the theory. PK glaze 
Glad oda didnt go that route
Since it proves my point that he wasnt that much of a step above his rivals 
but he's the goat 💔
Roger got gifted the PK title anyway
Beggar King more like
"Please WB-san, let me borrow Oden so i can become the PK"
Hes a goat among goats is the thing
@cloud adder that’s why I see it as Imu beint emotionally charged
The font difference
But I think the elders know Imu is willing to take their lives at a moments notice if they anger him enough
And that Imu has no compassion or regard for human life
Maybe them saying that insect thing is because Imu genuinely believes it and they drove themselves insane by forcing themselves to believe for hundreds of years
yeah i agree it was emotionally charged but i wouldnt call it rash
i think imu very quickly made up their mind that the only bad decision in regards to saturn was keeping him alive
I think any decision that drastic while emotionally charged is rash tbh
fair opinion, i disagree tho
I doubt Imu put much thought into it
Imu's power is terrifying, as well as mysterious 
Either way I can see this being a misplay
Garling sucks
yes but that doesnt mean he cant be a good soldier now 
The abyss is crazy
agree
Abyss is an anagram for "by ass." Make of that what you will.
And "say bs"
We're onto something.
Explains why Gunkmu/Imuturn just yapped about bs before domi reversi'ing Brogy & Rocks
eagle in background when he's a hawk...
Exactly
Hey Pasta
I am off the next 2 days, please don't take my family
holy shit i went to sleep early today and my fucking phone went off from a storm alarm
thought i was dying ngl
and its not even on my city, its two cities over
wonder if the people of lulusia got rain alerts on their isnails
Damn good question
Oh like weather reports in the OP world?
That is def a SBS question
I think it’s only been like Water 7 we’ve kinda seen with the Aqua Laguna
🐸
I wonder if people on prodence got an alert

“FLASH FLOOD WA—“
No need to worry about floods anymore
I don't know why this keeps happening here lol
They ate
Once again cementing Boa as the best female character thus far.
If all the water is evaporated then what do we have to worry about
In all of one piece?
In the fisher part of last chapter
@olive sigil what are the updated rankings
@proud pivot
Cool
Your pfp is insane @mental lake peep this
ITS SO PEAK
I NEED ITTTTTTT
Holy aura
Boss croc next pfp for sure
Thank you 🥹@mental lake you two
My favorite Pokemon evolution line
This art is so peak
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feeso said the chapter will be out in 2 hours

I had to read the caption to notice that banana on its head
Is it life size?
They need more life size merchandise
What’s the point if it’s not life size
not that this isn't kinda cute but eatching them milk op fans for everything they got is getting kinda sad
i always knew loki had soft hands
COW PIECE IS REAL 🐄 🐮

Chonky
Plumpy
Looks exactly like blackbeard

I disagree
Blackbeard is more pear shaped
Moto moto is Apple shaped
🍐 🍎
Now if you had said moto moto looks like kuma I would agree
Please get your facts straight
Smh my head
!cook
It's CHAPTER DAY

Maybe
It's maybe chapter day
No either it's chapter day or I'm committing forgery, tax evasion, jaywalking and arson
Like the guys here suggested yesterday
You don’t do those things for one on a regular basis?
wait... I just realise 
didn't Loki have it before meeting Xebec?
like the first time he met Xebec he wore the same clothes
Oh my...
Youre right
Night yall
night
Night shreed
6 7
Yo
I actually thought about this the other day, like I didnt believe that York could be working with BB but this idea made me reconsider it. Definitely a possibility.
Vegapunk double crossing the elders in like 5 different ways
Possible but how would he predict garling would take Saturn's place ? Or saturn even coming to egghead
Unless the plan was just to make it to mariejoie
anyone else hype as FUCK for the chapter
I’m so excited bro I’m jumping like a little girl
we are ALL kicking our feet like a baby waiting for this chatper
Damn I didn't know cunk liked onepiece so much
Cunk is OP’s number 1 fan
I think the plan is just for York to get inside so she can make it easier for them to get in and take the Seraphim
Ambushing his father’s killer will just be a happy opportunity
Yeah that makes sense
I still wonder what BB pirates can even do with saturn likeness at this point
Seraphim authority maybe
One time I thought about thinking
HOLY SHIT
That goes insanely hard
yup
Hey guys little update - tcb finished initial script, I have a glimmer of hope we can release on Thursday instead of Friday this week. @frail kindle
nice
thanks meek
I think it’s that for sure
I think it’s Shuron
LETSGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
I do have some bad news now though.
I cannot and will not translate chapter 1169. This is because right now I'm on my last week of instruction (1168 week). Next next week is finals week (1169 week). I need to focus on that.

I'll translate in your place meek dw
running out of time...
zone times
Word now what’s the bad news?
One piece scans > School
Come on bro
love this panel
Why would he admit to poisoning ida is he stupid
He assumed loki actually loves estrid
Dummy
And loki being like "bruh she fucking threw me into a pack of wolves and told the wolves to eat my face first"
They just ignored that part
After Loki was born estrid spent all day screaming about show much she hates Loki what did they expect
Before Estrid passed away. She spread a lot of rumors about her son Loki being the curse of Elbaph. So cruel
They also said estrid is basically the proper pure blood and Ida is the trash that wormed her way to the top, so loki being of the "pure" kind should be mad
feeso said the chapter will be out in 2 hours
I'm gonna apply for helper and then be promoted to mod just so I can ban you
Can we get this man a mute
Actually. Just ban him and I’ll send you $500 worth of belle delphine merch
Damn, bribing staff
Maybe or maybe not but I don’t think York is intending to betray WG for now until there is good reason for it
It’s for the greater good
Is spice cowboy this channel’s broken stair
If spice goes we all go
You can't ban spice before certain other people
I wonder who this is referring to
likely me
They betrayed her once. That’s reason enough
She can’t trust them
She can trust that teach will keep her around as long as she gives him what he wants from her
The WG was getting what they wanted from York and were still gonna kill her
Why are we still here
@formal wagon
Mailbox warned us
Didn’t they announce that when they announced the anime will only do 26eps a year starting 2026?
Pretty sure they said egghead ends in Dec, then three month break
yep
Yes
thats when Mailbox started this bit
Egghead ends in December
Ahhhhh
Are Luffy’s bogos binted?
It got confirmed when the anime schedule got changed, the anime will be on a break from January to April, where it will resume in April with the start of Elbaf
There will only be 26 episodes per year for the OP anime come next year
wasn't it "max 26" episodes, so could be less iirc
13 episode year 
I don’t even watch the anime bc the pacing is garbage they can drop 1 episode a year if it means the pacing isn’t garbage
ohhhhh
I heard the pacing in the anime recently has been good
they are doing 2 chaps an ep I think
I will be sending it to my nephew
Burn it with fire
I can send you one as well
300+ bought is insane
this is actually a thing?
as long as its trending, people will even buy wet paper
People have bought literal bricks because of trends
hopefully they were happy with that purchase
at least they own those bricks
unlike nfts and crypto shitcoins
trends make people do the stupidest things
fomo is one hell of a drug
yeah
How much is it?
I wonder if someone has sold 67 merch
the kid who started it tried crypto grifting
no idea how successful it was
I have fomo
Either you have fomo or you don't
This was never a thing
So what are you looking at right now
is that Markiplier
It’s the guy from Shrek
Fartward
Yeah, Markiplier
heh....
Is that tashigi?
i think its cheren fom pokemon
85% off, easy way to find out
Because we didn’t go around like maniacs yelling it any time anyone mentions anything loosely related to it or not
And then before this it was 25
Again. We didn’t go around yelling it
Maybe you didn’t
It’s not about it being a number
yall absolutely did
Well I don’t remember hating my life back then so 
you will be the best uncle in the world
top 10 uncs
I guess oda is ai writer
one piece is shakky's handkerchief or smt
Loki will pop his ult next chapter
I have no clue where else this backstory could go at this point
Like, we have to be close to the end, right?
Like, Loki can mourn the loss of Ida with Hajrudin, but then what?
We still gotta see how the WG killed Harald
Fair, I supoose
I wonder what the timegap is between Harald and Ida’s deaths
Probably just a few years. Shanks already looks 20+ to me in Mareijois and hes like 25 when Harald dies
harald's death, that's literally the reason we got a backstory in the first place
to free loki so the can assit in the fight against mu
They stabbed the shit out of him
Well the fisher tiger event is 15 years ago so I guess there is only one year between Ida’s and Harald’s death? Was Hajrudin even back in Elbaph when Harald died?
Only 3 hours until chapter he is fucking HYPE
'Twas Loki
But what if he was framed
I love buying myself little treats
He wasn't
I deserve little treats
He doesn't deny killing Harald
Its either he didnt do it or he did do it but it wasnt preventable
How do you know
He only denies that it was in cold blood
Good point
I get the vibe that he was blamed rather than actually guilty
literally just vibes tho lol
Yeah
Well since Harald was probably being domi'd, its not entirely Loki's fault
Get yourself a 67 figurine
I mean he was skewered already but Loki beating a domi’d harald who was like arguably equal to rocks when it took garp and roger for domi rocks kinda doesnt add up idk
I hope Domi doesn't break the series as much as we think it does
Not a treat that's a nightmare
whats stopping Imu from reversing Luffy or Loki
Urethra is a big fan of 67
Loki arguably nothing...
Luffy probably G5
We will probably get to know the conditions at some point
Ah ok
That’s your name
Sharon 
Hey Sanjuan
Why is Brook saying that
what next? "Male" "Men"?
He’s going to free himself
Usopp will counter domi reversi and be Imu's top 1. Like he was for doflamingo 
Look at every panel we see the captured strawhats
He’s the only one who looks to be trying to break free
Zoro after blocking two Yonko attacks at once
Ussop vs Jinbe's thinking. We'll see who's faster
Someone fetch the Usopp vs Gunko panel
Usopp comeback 2026 trust. Elbaf will be Usopp's arc. Cope never dies!
SH's got captured in April. Its December now
Those Jinbe fans sure are quiet about Zoro needing months to beat Lucci now
😂
yeah, usopp landed a good shot on gunko!!
even nami was scared because usopp destroyed gunko's body

Funny how we all thought Elbaf was gonna involve some sort of lying Loki storyline involving Usopp and lies. And Usopp ends up not even meeting Loki halfway through the arc.
hahaha
Hate u for this btw ;p

Tbf he gets to take on the greatest threat elbaf ever faced 
makeshift scanlation with 30 watermarks and a random ms font...
!godsofpirate
Hitting a target that allowed themselves to be hit, truly the peak of feats
maffey panel still so great
whats the top panel again?
I would feel bad for making fun of Usopp because of that but I can't because of that one worstgen post
Whitebeard not doing damage to maffey
Set up of the millennium
WB doesnt double tap
If usopp wants to live brave and honorably
Why is he a ranged
He should be using a real warrior weapon
Lol
Because being brave doesn’t mean charging head first. It means battling through your fears
Ah yes
Battling through your fears
All the way over there
Where they cant even see u

He’s scared. If he wasn’t scared he’d charge at them but that wouldn’t be brave
He sees them and he still tries
It doesn’t matter the distance
I agree
This is why you’re not the captain
chapter soon
Ooh a construction meme
Not enough secret drug use to be accurate but not bad
yup not enough lines in the porta potty
terrifying.
who got you? name them. we'll take care of the rest.
very late ping but i this popped up and this is amazingly beautiful
😭
it's a common theory that Brook will 'save' Gunko
he will Wrook
Tbh maybe that's what makes Kuma and the buccaneers such a bad thing for the wg maybe they cant be Domi
i was thinking that gunko and brook interaction could cause him to awaken which leads to saving her
ooo
what would an awakened Brook be?
It would be a uh huh moment right?
chapter today?
He accepts the fact he is dead and permanently dies
so i know its called revive but essentially what happened was that his soul was free and not taken to hell or smth im assuming. which allowed him to return to his body. an awakend one will simply allow him to allows thi soul freedom to others, but this is only for those that are trapped lets say gunko
is this actually real
yeah, latest volume release in Japan.
I’m glad Oda finally spells it out for us
There’s oda’s name has to be real


Oda definitely wrote that yeah
What vol is this from 🤔
Interesting font oda
You can tell by the way that it is
this is a sneak peak of the SBS for the next volume
id take that anyday over shakky's cup size
shakkys cup size is important to many people
It’s this, rocks pirates favourite food, someone asking about something that’s already in the manga and then 12 horny questions about shakky
They’re bigger than nami but smaller than Zoro
How will people construct accurate life size figures without this vital info
"hi odacchi, i see this graham has a pineapple head, is he marco's dad?"
“I’m surprised you caught that”
"its the previous user of the hormone user and is actually marcos mum"
Oda is the incident rocks was in the same as the one from kuma’s flashback
I’m surprised you caught that, I even hinted it by including kuma in the chapters
this is a matter of reading comprehension
Let's just slow everything down have a nice Saturday night chapter
i fucking knew it
Why rush? They can wait until Sunday morning so they get Steven’s input too
Red haired lady oscar
How come ethan has glasses
Imu can make people immortal but can't fix their eyesight?
hes gandi
no its on his head now its all good

he didnt have a headbadn to hold it up
He wears contacts now
If I wear contacts and put on my glasses do I see even better than a regular person
no
That’s how you get supervision
you see what others cannot
It’s how you get a middle management job
Man, people really are terrible at keeping their battery charged. What is the reason for this?
Listen here
Im simply lazy
You are the perfect American.
I hate cords
Not yet
Im gunning for the Nikocado physique
new or old Nico?
Old to really reel in the American feel
💀
He may look like a ball but this is all muscle, y’all
We don’t know it’s halfway 
we
're almost done for sure
the upcoming battle might be long but its gonna be the last thing
if they win there will be a little happy after battle bit but thats it
imus here we cant go from that to like... lets study at the library.
we cant go backwards in stakes and theres no going up in stakes further than imu being here
I’m aiming for that jinbe peak male physique
The only issue is becoming blue
you could always go for the redbei and turn red
wh-
what is that
Hpq and uhh
Redbei beating Irene
Lol
Someone in another server floated the idea that the abyssal covenant/deep deep contract is what gave the Gorosei their powers, their DF powers
Hence why their abilities are related to different hellish creatures
Yeah it could explain why Shamrock's sword has an ability too
I was about to say
He might have a higher/deeper covenant than the other knights
What’s hpq?
Heart pirate queen
Oh
Law fan
Lol
thorn thorn fruit kinda doesnt fit there though
She’s not my enemy
I was talking about the Gorosei
Well thats just a regular fruit he ate
Sommers just ate the fruit
Her name is annoying though 
Even the sandworm?
oh mb
Always getting confused with buffy
This is the rough idea i thought of
It's a pretty big sandworm
Yeah the Sandwork too
That’s why i prefer saying Irene. That way it’s not confusing
It’s a pretty hellish abomination of a sandworm
Yep I agree
It's not your everyday sandworm
Shamrock perhaps has the abyssal contract as well
All worms are hellish abominations
Guys come on can we like not bodyshame the sand worm please
Probably, especially if he's the new leader of the knights
Since he’s a commander of the Holy Knights
Oh brother
Idk if he’s the leader of them all
There exists a supreme commander
Well he definitely is higher ranking than just a normal knight
That’s probably still Garling
I do think Gunko has like special permissions on top of whatever base contract she has
Garling was one before he was promoted
If it isn’t the sand worm queen herself
Yeah Gunko, Sommers (presumably) and Shamrock have the abyssal covenant
Not sure about Sommers

Idk if Sommers has it
I think Sommers is just on the 2nd tier yeah
Sorry
It’s the Depth
I’m inclined towards Abyssal for Gunko and Shamrock
i am too
Shamrock is a higher authority than Gunko
Since he orders her
With how close Gunko is to Imu i do consider putting her as having Abyssal
Gunko seems to be a maid of sorts to Imu
He probably is the acting leader of the Knights now that Garling has graduated to being a Gorosei
Wonder what yokai ability he got
Bumass
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wouldn't be surprised if the next time we see him he'll been promoted to supreme-commander
Gunko is weird because she likely isnt ranked high enough to have the highest level covenant but her being a direct servant to Imu makes her a little special
I originally thought Shamrock was being called back for his promotion
Yeah the Imu shit prob got her the abyssal
Still possible but maybe it comes after sorting out the problems in Marijoa
Imu did mention that the holy land is in flames
wonder what the problems even are
We know
Blackbeard or Revolutionaries i am guessing
Mass shortage of food and water
I lowkey want it to be CDs fighting eachother over food
is that what Imu meant with Marijoa being engulfed in a sea of fire though?
I don't want it to be BB or Revs again yet
They have the authority to punish regular CDs
Mjosgarde was executed for attempted murder (and not being racist), so they do have a semblance of the practice of law
I mean we know that Marijoa is in shambles
Please kill the Roswald family
Idk if Imu was being completely literal when he said that
they seemed pretty distressed about it
They killed mjosgard cuz he dared to be normal
I think he just means that it's in chaos right now
They also decide to stay & watch what happens on Elbaf though
So its not that pressing
I wonder if the Gorosei got to choose that ability or they were just granted one and lived with it
probably just granted one
Bet none of y’all would notice if I was engulfed in a sea of flames 😔
i mean taking the giants under siege is their top priority
Imu probably didnt let them pick, which is why JuPeter had to settle for the sandworm
as the giants are critical to the final war
i think it looks cool
It is but like the other demon forms are based off like japanese or chinese mythology and then you just have "sandworm"
Is Dune not mythology
As far as Imu is concerned, Elbaf is theirs now.. they could easily leave & deal with Marijoa if its that big of an issue but they decide to stay
Also anything happening on Marijoa, where Imu is exactly is probably top priority over anything else
Well there is like the mongolian death worm myth
first time in my life im seeing sandworm slander, like one of the coolest mythical creatures in fiction
sure, but they did press the rest of the God Knights to hurry up
so i think it's still urgent, Imu is just taking multiple matters into their own hands right now
It’s from Arabic mythology but lmfao the idea that Oda got that idea watching the dune films or having read the dune books
Thats probably just how Imu is, "how are you not done already" type shit
the only thing i don't get with the 'sandworm' that Jupeter has is why it has human teeth, lol
oda felt silly
ngl i found out about mongolian death worms when i was like 12 and i devoured every info online about it
probably yeah
Okay 👍
i think the theme of the gorosei in general is just mythological monsters
which fits nicely with Shamrocks sword Cerberus as well
Peter never fired his instant death laser that the Mongolian death worm has
yeah the sandworm is just a huge outlier given the theming of the others
The thing that its named for
he never got the memo
Ju Peter just drew the short straw
I noticed that there were summoning circle flames on Cerberus summons too so I’m curious how that was executed
its like that one big mom pirate with the genie fruit
yeah Cerberus seems to be imbued the same as the gorosei transformations are as of now
I mean if it works anything like regular devil fruits
Instead of the person with the contract itself getting the power?
we also just got the name 'Cerberus' like we did with the gorosei
That’s true
feels weird that imu can just hand out devil fruit-like powers like that
Now this shit is making so much sense
They've become true demons
Yeah it is strange that Oda keeps hiding the actual supposed fruit names
These are not fruits
at this point i think it's a clear indication that it's from Imu
yeah
They’re powers granted to them by Imu
Which gives me an idea as to the origin of the fruits actually
Well yeah I get the idea, they do seem to work like fruits at least
i wouldn't be shocked if Shamrock had a devil fruit which he himself ate though
man if only oda didnt give kaku and lucci the black awakening clouds
this would explain why the gorosei all had black ones
Qillingham had white iirc
yeah thats the problem
maybe they were forcefully awakened somehow?
but lucci wasnt aware of imu (assumedly)
I had a theory that the black clouds is where the "Zoans will" has taken majority control but Killingham was like "aha i'm white"
Devil fruits coming as a result of the sea devil but somehow were solidified by the desires of people, and Imu having a contract with the devil atop the world to give themselves power to anyone who enters a Faustian bargain with them
Oda probably just goes with whatever looks better
Vegapunk is a bit ways off with his theory it seems like
Oda just chooses whatever cloud color looks best with a design I assume
hol up, so shamrock could be both a hakiman like shanks while having a devil fruit sword?
this would make sense
🐌
Yeah
It would be a bit too overkill
seems plausible
im gonna laugh if shanks' sword actually has a griffin zoan in it thanks to imu
It will
i like that idea to be honest
The covenant must’ve been nullified with the seal being gone
You'd think Imu would just be able to take it back
who knows
depends if the covenant could've been transferred into a weapon the same way a fruit can
So Shanks is a regular dude with extraordinary ability honed through power in Haki
I also don’t think Shanks has the covenant that gives him the ability to have a power
Spitballing here
But my estimate is that he didn’t graduate from his Shallows Covenant
it feels like Cerberus and Gryphon are a sort of Figarland heirloom at this point
What if Roger's Sword has Ace in it
I don’t know, it seems to convenient but I genuinely think Shanks doesn’t have it
i could see Oda going either way
I dont think he was there for very long, and I mean Harald waited years without getting promoted
Yes exactly
So I could see Shanks never officially becoming a gods knights
maybe
I thought he was there for like a year and then left
Bro just didn’t go
that's probably what happened to be honest
i wonder how long Oda has had Shanks whole family planned out
it feels like he had it since pretty early
he figured is sometime after FMI i assume
This dude went to the Holy Land, facilitated a revolt indirectly, acted his ass off, did a recon mission, and then just dipped back to his daughter and crew, gave up his hand for the new generation and in that process got that seal removed
maybe around the time he figured imu out
So Shanks knows the devil atop the world
yeah, that's reasonable
I thought you had to get the highest level tattoo to know Imu?
Makes sense as to why he’s the keeper of the status quo and also wields so much influence
Or maybe not?
Nah
Harald got told about the “true God” with the shallows covenant
All the holy knights know Imu and they have the 2nd level
when you're a devoted blade of god, that's when you have to prove yourself worthy of meeting god
There’s no way he could not have figured it out if he couldn’t
Well he's told that such a being exists but he hasn't met Imu yet, but I'm sure he encounters him at least once before dying
i wonder how much Garling and Shamrock told Shanks
I was thinking this part.
Harald didn't know, right?
he didn't yeah
But I thought Shanks doesn't either 'cause he never became a full knight, right?
based on his tattoo in the bath
Devoted Blades of God don’t but yeah Shanks might have figured it out
I could easily see Shamrock telling him though
same
I assume Shanks had a reason for going up there besides just the Fisher Tiger thing but we probably wont know what it is for a while
Once you have the depth and above more likely yeah
Seemingly not, Saturn kept Emet hidden
do we know any people in the middle pact?
I don’t think telepathy is given at Shallows
Killingham
hes not in the abyss pact?
I think he's looking for something, but idk what it is, maybe the treasure Doflamingo talked about?
Sommers/Killingham most likely
Killingham isn’t in the abyss pact
i think Shanks being here will be resolved when we know what he asked Roger
oh wait good point
i have a feeling that it's connected
Im doing a one piece character alphabet in my head and im stuck on “O”
Any ideas?
Otoko
We’ve been speculating here that having the abyss pact also gives you a power like the Gorosei’s or like Shamrock’s Cerberus
Orochi
Oden
Otama
Oimo, Otoko, Otsuru, Orochi
@thick mango
So it's possible the Cerberus is less a DF and more part of the demonic powers Imu possesses?
Yeah
I'm cool with that
Lot of wano characters that start with O
That’s why those powers don’t have a DF name
since cerberus is the guardian of hell?
another thing which is interesting with Cerberus specifically is that it doesn't become Cerberus, it just summons it
oh good catch!
Yeah
do you think doffy knows about the contracts?
Probably
Possbily. But what was the "treasure" he knew about? Was it simply that Imu exists?
Doffy probably was talking about the book right?
the grimoire?
He seems to know a lot about the celestial dragons, enough that he thought someone might come to kill him in Impel Down
the book Imu uses to conjure
He even called it back like a Pokemon
I can't tell if the book is a real object or just part of Imu's magic powers.
this book could be the treasure, you're right
i love demon piece so much
though, i am quite confident that the treasure is whatever mother flame is the fuel for
I imagine Imu summons the book from the Flower Room or whatever its kept
Uranus
i choose you Cerberus!
i mean that has to be uranus at this point
Basically confirmed
The treasure might be the hat if it actually is more than just a big hat, there was a lot of theories about what the hat means
yeah true
I've seen theories the hat is Uranus
that would be hilarious
It probably isnt now of course
That would be stupid af
it just resizes or is a control center lol
maybe Doffy went into the clouds above Pangea Castle and saw Uranus yeah
i think one of the most curious things about Pangea Castle is the flower room
true fans know this is Uranus
but how, didnt doffy go to mariejois right after killing his dad?
like, Imu the sadistic ruler of hell is associated with nature and butterflies?
Whatever it is, Doflamingo thought it was powerful enough that he thought he'd be unstoppable
it's a very interesting contrast
he had his fruit by then
well what happened to lulusia seemed like it could only be an ancient weapon. why even introduce a 4th uber powerful thing at this point?
Imu is a lot of conflicting things, being tied to nature while also possibly being the sea devil at the same time
I wonder if we'll see Doffy in this flashback actually
if it were an imitation of Uranus, i think it could work
but yeah it's probably the real thing
God I love OP so much I’m back in my OP brainrot
This is why i think the line in the Harley
"The Forest God tamed demons" is literal & its about Imu
yeah they're very interesting
very well could be
though these covenant tiers make me think that it's sea related
gosh, now i wonder if doffy knows shanks is a figarland
Idk if he knows that
probably
how does oda connect so much stuff?
He might but
i mean looking at Shanks and comparing to Shamrock would be a dead tell
He probably does know
i think Doflamingo would figure it out
I still like the idea that Imu is a person possessed by the Blue Planet's domi reversed Klabautermann (the Forest God)
If he saw Shamrock he'd probably figure it out
NO NOT TO MY GOAT NOT TO ARAGORN
Well i do think that the "Forest God" in this case Imu, was once considered to be good but was corrupted (possibly by the book that Imu summoned?)
Shamrock, Shanks and their mother are the only ones with that iconic red hair too
maybe Imu and the sea devil are sperate entities at the end of the day, so both of them can co-exist within eachother
Imu could be the forest god like you say, but the sea devil corrupted them
i don't know where to place Davy Jones right now
i need to know more about when he lived
davy jones is the most confusing puzzle piece since the giant straw hat imo
Loki is the best character of ever made.
i agree
Socrates alt
If you think of "Forest God" you kinda go straight to "Mother Nature" so you'd think them to be nice/kindhearted etc but the line "Forest God tamed demons" is a contradiction to that, why would something good etc tame something considered bad if they wasn't corrupted etc (in like every form of media, demons are bad guys)
@vital heart where chapter boy
good point
the Forest God got Domi Reversed
Think reversi would work on even gods?
I don't think they're literal gods


