also-manga

[wraith mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/cover-ears-steve-harvey-little-big-shots-cant-hear-you-sshhh-gif-14134387

[sage temple]

https://tenor.com/view/true-truth-nuke-super-truth-nova-truth-meme-gif-16889273424352737553

[leaden rivet]

With the amped pain yeah that definitely should knock someone who’s not on WB’s level out lol

[frigid gulch]

If you have ryuo it wouldn’t even come into contact technically

[leaden rivet]

So maybe he can’t get knocked out

[dense rapids]

DAVY WILL LIVES ON

[leaden rivet]

Im curious about it

Big mom looks great in those colors

[frigid gulch]

The red venom though

[shadow python]

Should Rocks be offended that Big mom never had a baby with him?

[wraith mantle]

other than bluejam i really can't think of a candidate

[shadow python]

They were sailing together for a good while before Teach was born

[wraith mantle]

captain john?;

[blazing depot]

Shoutout Ganzui he’s just happy and having a good time

[tranquil blade]

Red venom lowkey solos

[tranquil blade]

Planning his betrayal

[distant vine]

Saying Hancock is the best female character

[tough igloo]

Ace should’ve accepted the offer. lol Roger & Rocks sons working together 🥹🥲

[frigid gulch]

Loki awakens the Galleila for BB

[leaden rivet]

If you think it’s Robin or Vivi those are both great alternatives. Who do you think it is?

[dense rapids]

Blackbeard snaking someone’s favorite character next

[sage temple]

Buggy becomes King of the Pirates while Loki becomes King of the World

[dense rapids]

I pray for whoever that character is

[tough igloo]

lol hopefully Shanks still got a little time left before it’s his turn

[sage temple]

Blackbeard is inevitable

[dense rapids]

Like 2 more arcs

[sage temple]

Loki is inevitabler

[tough igloo]

getting all this shanks lore this flashback got me worried lol

[dense rapids]

As well as Blackbeard’s

[woeful moth]

i found the Rocks and BB difference in recruiting that... Rocks recruited the most notorious pirates of his time while BB pushed it further and recruited the most vile criminals...

[tough igloo]

another difference is Teach OG crew actually trusts him and vice versa unlike Rocks crew

[shell scroll]

Buggy has so much aura

[dense rapids]

Rocks won’t betray his friends

Blackbeard won’t hesitate to betray his friends

I think thatch ate the fruit and that’s why Blackbeard had to kill him

[tough igloo]

probably .. Teach when talking to Ace made it seem like he had no choice

[shadow python]

Ace really should have accepted the offer. It's easy to see why he didn't but diplomacy was the easiest method to ensure BB didn't attack Luffy while also listening to Pops command of do not fight him

[woeful moth]

isn't Burgess basically his bestie?

[wet condor]

It's funny how everyone views them that way. I do too lol

[shadow python]

Rocks crew despite the talk did seem to care for Rocks. Which is why the domi reversi betrayal hit Kaido and Linlin so hard

[wet condor]

But I don't think they've interacted with each other that much

[tough igloo]

lol idk about bestie but those 5 seem to all have undying faith in each other .. Teach seems to trust Lafitte the most with the difficult tasks

[dense rapids]

OG Blackbeard crew believes he’s a child of fate

[wet condor]

They seem like they might be the most alike in terms of personality on his crew

[dense rapids]

He proved it to the impel down members when he ate two devil fruits

[shadow python]

Meanwhile Vista teleported out of the way to let BB get hit by an attack from Law and co

[tough igloo]

trusting a crew member to invade mariejois alone just to advertise you as the next warlord is insane lmao

[stone terrace]

wasnt loki rampaging for 8 years?

[woeful moth]

well he knows laffite is not a dumbass like burgess tho so he tasks him for that... he atleast knows his OG crew

[stone terrace]

how the fuck did he never make it to mariejois

[leaden rivet]

Tbf it would do a lot more damage to him than BB

[stone terrace]

😭

[dense rapids]

He had to defy the logic of the universe to get them to believe in him

[lofty fern]

He was wandering without a purpose really

[shadow python]

By BBs own admission his crew are just following the winning horse. They even talk about disbanding if BB wasn't able to steal Whitebeards fruit

[tranquil blade]

He knew he'd get low diffed by Akainu before he even got up the red line

He was smart

[frigid gulch]

[sage temple]

He was going the wrong way

[wet condor]

I figure this was it. I have to wonder how he even set sail really. I imagined he would sail by himself, but that would mean he's got skills as a navigator

[tough igloo]

funny enough that’s only the level 6 prisoners who say that and rightfully so since it’s their first day with him .. plus if he failed then it would’ve killed him so they would have no choice but to disband

[wet condor]

So maybe he went with someone

[sage temple]

Loki didn't have a navigator

[dense rapids]

[lofty fern]

I wonder if he can still do it now that Oda has invented Imu and his cohorts lol

[urban lodge]

The 2 Van Augurs kill me

[dense rapids]

Had the world shook… Literally

[frigid gulch]

Swordsman and Sniper Augur

[sage temple]

He could've been trying to find the Galleila Giants

[shell scroll]

I find it crazy how people forget how tough bb is cuz he fights weirdly

[shadow python]

One of those should be Doc right?

[woeful moth]

the disrespect to stronger... he is the 6th member

[frigid gulch]

Ye

[tough igloo]

I wonder what did Marco see as the doctor of the ship to make him say that .. and based off his wording it seems all the WB pirates knew that

[clever idol]

Theyd be at each others throats every day

[dense rapids]

Glorified chopper

[clever idol]

Ace is not gonna be ok with slavery

[sage temple]

He just fat

[dense rapids]

Blackbeard has neither rocks or Eris hair color

[sage temple]

Might be a Loki parallel

[tough igloo]

Gorosei saying Teach the only one in history ever able to eat multiple fruits makes it even more of a mystery …

[dense rapids]

I wonder if that’s just known history or if someone in the void has multiple as well (Davy jones)

[tough igloo]

i would think the gorosei would know if someone in the void did it too

[dense rapids]

Yea

If he’s literally the first then it’s even more crazy

People say Blackbeard will die by drowning but I think he’ll die due to greed

[shadow python]

Maybe BB ate his mom and they can both individually use a fruit

[shell scroll]

It would have be due to his constitution and yami fruit

[keen quiver]

Unless imu left out some important information

[clever idol]

Blackbeard being said to never sleep and therefore never dreams makes me think theres a connection to the multi fruit thing

[keen quiver]

But makes no sense why he would lie to them

[shadow python]

Eris is somehow not dead and I don't see them going out for her and not BB.

[dense rapids]

Naw she’s definitely a pack

[keen quiver]

If they found eris you'd think they'd find teach

[dense rapids]

Oda just saving that death for Blackbeard arc

[tough igloo]

whatever Marco saw made him
believe that Teach body being different from everybody else is the reason why he can’t eat multiple. fruits… but what did Marco see

[dense rapids]

I still hope law returns and gives us insight

[keen quiver]

Whatever marco saw has been held hostage for like 19ish years

[clever idol]

He saw hin nevet sleeping

[shadow python]

You think maybe Eris is perfectly fine and just thinks Whitebeard stole her baby

[keen quiver]

Oda holding his cards close to his chest for teach for some reason

[clever idol]

Watched thus man never sleep for 20yrs

Yea his body is diff

[dense rapids]

Bro probably seeing hallucinations

We’re gonna get a flashback of Blackbeard talking to his mom and nobody is there

😭

[clever idol]

Blackbeard is simply living his dream

Thats why he never sleeps

[thick mango]

buggy what happened to your pfp

[dense rapids]

It never existed

[keen quiver]

Very likely he will get his own flashback picking up after GV i feel

But not now

[dense rapids]

Feels like next arc

[keen quiver]

Focus currently is shanks

Harald and loki

[thick mango]

i forget where its from but i remember a series had a guy ride a sleepy donkey everywhere and he said its because hes constantly dreaming hes a horse

[dense rapids]

Usually when characters get flashback like this the next arc is when they appear

Or that current arc

[shadow python]

Now that BB has a flashback he's also eligible for next strawhat

[keen quiver]

I don't think teach is showing up to elbaf so definitely not this arc

[tough igloo]

Oda smoothly already set up the next arc with the Vivi stuff

[thick mango]

i was against teach being in fmi pre 1167 but now i think its definitely him

[dense rapids]

Return to Fishman Island Arc

[clever idol]

Morgans arc when

[tough igloo]

had the straw hats who didn’t know her see the papers at the beginning of elbaf and gonna have the straw hats who do know her see it at the end of Elbaf

[hazy echo]

https://fixupx.com/OPcom_info/status/1995297397430493385/en

ONE PIECE.com(ワンピース) (@OPcom_info)

📑 Translated from Japanese

#Straw Hat Store で 「“輩”缶バッジ 第29弾 GOURMET」が 12月12日(金)に新発売！ 食事を楽しむキャラクター達の イラストは全て描きおろし！ #ONEPIECE ▼詳細はこちら one-piece.com/news/76566/index.html

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︀︀「“輩”缶バッジ 第29弾 GOURMET」が
︀︀12月12日(金)に新発売！
︀︀
︀︀食事を楽しむキャラクター達の
︀︀イラストは全て描きおろし！
︀︀#ONEPIECE
︀︀
︀︀▼詳細はこちら
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FixupX · Dec 1, 2025, 1:02 AM

[clever idol]

Luffy vs Morgans

[dense rapids]

foreshadowing bb using poseidon power

[clever idol]

Morgans lies and says he won crowning himself the 5th emperoro

[tough igloo]

lmao

[shadow python]

Did Robin not know about the mark? She saw it on the strawhats or at least on Luffy and was on the ship when they left Alabasta

[clever idol]

Also shirahoshi is definitelt mosa huh

[dense rapids]

kinda crazy the sea kings are even larger than this

[clever idol]

Which to the ppl predicting that? Shoutout to yall

[shadow python]

She might not put two and two together that Vivi is with Morgan's just from that but I also don't think anyone besides Sanji would come to that conclusion either

[woeful moth]

there's still too many contradictions to say definitely

but its a possibility

[clever idol]

Its a heavy possibility

But what r the contradictiobs

[dense rapids]

Foreshadowing Blackbeard obtaining the abyss mark

[clever idol]

Sounds like loki and her had their father's denden mushis

[dense rapids]

^

[clever idol]

And since both were confined in a way just talked for 6yrs

[dense rapids]

I think there’s a hint to that the last time mosa talks

[woeful moth]

he said they are long time friends... and Shirahoshi said she has never talked to anyone in a long time but Megalo...

[worn oak]

Hello

[shadow python]

Oh thats an option isn't it? Couldn't shaggy actually just be Neptune?

[clever idol]

Ah

[tough igloo]

if Imu gave Teach the abyss mark then Imu officially the dumbest villain in one piece lol

[clever idol]

Ngl i can see that being a retcon

[woeful moth]

but we don't know what a long time is anyway... maybe they started becoming friends after FMI

[shadow python]

I would hope that Loki can hear Shirashoshis voice and realize he isn't talking to a shaggy man

[clever idol]

True lol

[dense rapids]

He won’t be given it… He’ll take it

Blackbeard Pirates will be the new chosen 13

Literally 13 of them

[woeful moth]

like in Loki's thing... he never really had friends... so maybe to him months is a long time being friends

[dense rapids]

Or am I tripping

[shadow python]

Shira also said Vanderdecken wasn't her type inferring that she had someone who was.

[dense rapids]

No there’s 11

12 if u have caribou

[tough igloo]

take it from a. holy knight ? from Imu ? from a gorosei ?

[woeful moth]

nah its really because Vanderdecken really is just fckin ugly and despicable

[dense rapids]

He’s gonna take Imu powers and give the Bb pirates abyss marks

[tough igloo]

you forgot the GOATS 🤣

lol but fr though i do wonder what krieg & gin is planning here.. they just wanna join Teach crew ?! lol

[shadow python]

I like to imagine that Shira can look past the creepy stalking and attempted murder but turns him down because she's interested in someone else

[dense rapids]

Final War fodder

[tough igloo]

I wonder if Teach is like Rocks and uses the “ Davy” name in the underworld to have more pull and get what he wants

[dense rapids]

We’re gonna see Krieg clash with Yamato and they’re gonna put him on admiral level 😂😂😂😂

[shadow python]

Gin and Pearl still being in the same crew after Gin personally assaulted him is kinda wild

[keen quiver]

I think having 2 fruits and all the infamy might be pull enough

[shadow python]

Kreig was the first admiral in the series

[dense rapids]

Marineford had the most random clashes, final war will be funny asl

[shadow python]

His title was Admiral Fon Kreig

[keen quiver]

I feel the only tells his actual crew about the Davy thing

[tough igloo]

lol true but i feel like Oda brought it up with Rocks for a reason cause somehow it’ll com i to play in current day

Rocks didn’t tell any of his crew his real name but let it be known in the underworld

[shadow python]

Luffy and Shanks will fight in a Davy back

[keen quiver]

It very likely will, when the time is appropriate I feel

[dense rapids]

I think Blackbeard heard of rocks plan and was like “naw ima do my own thing”

[shadow python]

They will bet their poneglyphs and only the winner will have the right to sail to the moon and find the one piece

[clever idol]

Rox didnt use the davy name tho

[keen quiver]

In comparison teach trusts his main crew more. Caterina definitely knows

Which means the og ones for sure know

[tough igloo]

i thought he told harald the davy name still has pull in the underworld

he would only know that by using it ?

[dense rapids]

They always knew that’s why they talk about fate

[clever idol]

Ooooh maybe

[keen quiver]

I mean even back then the plan was all to take over the world

[clever idol]

Maybe bb did in impel down

[urban lodge]

There might be an Ace parallel at some point with his real name being revealed to the world, but maybe he does it himself

[clever idol]

Maybe thats how he got them to join hin

[keen quiver]

I imagine he had to tell the new crew from impel down he was gonna eat a fruit from wb's corpse

[shadow python]

When imu says destroy the world he means destroy Imu. It's unclear if BB means the same thing

[keen quiver]

And they dint believe him till he did it

They thought he was gonna die

Then once he leaves the tent and proves he has it

Shiryu goes "guess that means we won't disband"

Which means he had to tell them that insane shit

Before it happened

[shadow python]

Shiryu had some mad faith.

[dense rapids]

“Blackbeard is the son of rocks d xebec and must be elimated from the world.”

buggy bounty picture appears next to rocks

“And his younger brother is none other than Buggy D. Clown”

this is a total lie

[tough igloo]

funny enough when Oda did show a snippet of him recruiting them .. he had all his teeth looking just like his pops davy d xebec (who i assume looks like davy jones based of imu calling him that )

[frigid gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/was-pops-wrong-gif-3182952423299865297

[keen quiver]

Imma let it slide

[dense rapids]

😂😂😂😂

I swear the same thing happened in Marineford

[shadow python]

If he had sided with Magellan he'd get back his nice job maybe even a promotion

[keen quiver]

Davy jones 100% gonna look like teach

😭

That's a given

I feel

[woeful moth]

its so fckin weird seeing him with full teeth wtf

[shadow python]

But even after betraying the world and siding with a pirate he wasn't sure if the plan would work

[keen quiver]

Same for luffy being joyboy

[pine ridge]

we already know what he looks like

[woeful moth]

dude drank milk before saying that

[keen quiver]

Thats some sbs shit

[clever idol]

The teeth have to be photoshopped

[keen quiver]

That oda is gonna retcon for the void century

[tough igloo]

lmao right ! it’s rare when Oda does it but every time he does i’m like “ did Oda really forget he’s missing teeth or is this intentional “ lol

[pine ridge]

canon material drawn by oda tho

[woeful moth]

nah he just drank milk...

[shadow python]

Sbs jokes become real designs eventually

[keen quiver]

Nobody even talking about loki

[shadow python]

Just like Mr. 7

[dense rapids]

I think that’s just old Davy jones

[vital heart]

absolutely.

[dense rapids]

The younger version will look like Blackbeard

[sage temple]

Oh shoot wrong time my bad

https://tenor.com/view/homelander-gif-27532263

[keen quiver]

He might sneak it in as 90 year old davy

If thats the case

[tough igloo]

we saw a old shriveled up version of him … it’s like comparing current stussy & gloriosa to their younger days

[keen quiver]

But I definitely think he'll make young Davy look beastly

This is a legendary figure like joyboy

And likely og poseidon was

[dense rapids]

I feel Oda used that face for a reason

[tough igloo]

maybe he’s the one with the eyepatch .. he’s a pirate mythical legend in real life

made Oda wants him to look like your typical pirate

[dense rapids]

Even Tonjit looks like Davy jones

And he appears on the island Davy jones is mentioned

As well as that sbs

[wraith mantle]

where spoilers at

[woeful moth]

people really taking that and running with it... forgetting the (RANDOM DOODLE) that's literally written there

[vital heart]

Which sbs is this?

I wanna pu the japanese version

[dense rapids]

This is 100% happening with Blackbeard

[tough igloo]

when you do please translate it for us lol

[dense rapids]

86

[vital heart]

Oh. It doesn't say "random doodle", it says "tekitou" which means like "temporary/for the time being/good enough".

[vital heart]

actually, thats not the best translation of the word, but thats kinda how I think of it.

[woeful moth]

that's more damning

its temporary...

[still mason]

Missing teeth just like BB

[vital heart]

lol. I guess this is more accurate but I just think of it like "for the time being"

[woeful moth]

yeah like "its open to be different if i ever drew him again"

[frigid gulch]

Well it means he can change it later

Basically

[dense rapids]

Davy Jones is still alive

And that’s what he looks like currently

[keen quiver]

Yeah its what I said

He doodled that for the time being

Till we got more details on him

[dense rapids]

The Davy jones in VC flashback will look like Blackbeard

[keen quiver]

That's the safest bet

Feels too natural to just put his face on someone else

[dense rapids]

What Luffy did to Tonjit is probably hinting at Davy jones

Luffy thought he broke the bamboo and a spirit appeared

[thick mango]

yes everyone hop on the LRLL im important train

[dense rapids]

Davy Jones is trapped at the sea floor to the Eve tree like Loki

Davy Jones and Joy Boy

[blazing mantle]

How does one do this

Or is Blackbeard that goated

[shadow python]

Remember when Momo said he met Roger and no one believed him thinking it was just a child's lie?

[dense rapids]

Don’t think shanks had regen yet

[blazing mantle]

How old is tonjit

[dense rapids]

If he does then that’s the biggest upscale in the series

[dense rapids]

63

[shadow python]

If the regen ends if you lose your arm that's a pretty obvious and exploitable weakness

[blazing mantle]

Errrrr

[lofty fern]

BB fans have no idea of a logical thinking

[blazing mantle]

Even if joyboy looks like luffy that doesn’t really make sense

Unless he’s talking about somebody else

[dense rapids]

No Davy jones isn’t Tonjit

I’m saying that’s foreshadowing a future moment of Luffy meeting Davy Jones

Who will think Luffy is Joy boy

[blazing mantle]

Maybe

[dense rapids]

Zunesha
Emet
Davy Jones

Crocus
Rayleigh
Gaban

[woeful moth]

Davy is Tonjit... he forgot everything and now is building stilts as a core memory because he knows the world is sinking

IM KIDDING btw

[dense rapids]

The fact LRLL was based on the world sinking

[woeful moth]

YEP

[shadow python]

Who's to say Tonjit isn't Davy?

[blazing mantle]

You might be onto something

[dense rapids]

Also after one of the most important arcs

[digital spear]

do blade of gods even have regen

[blazing mantle]

They might

We don’t know yet

[woeful moth]

LRLL literally has the Davy Back Fights, and World Sinking

[digital spear]

then Harald would have it

[woeful moth]

and that's the first time we heard of a Davy Jones

[blazing mantle]

Maybe joyboy was there a long time ago and stretched the island or something

That’s why it’s all long

[woeful moth]

yeah that's what i was thinking too... the stretched thing is some joyboy shit

[blazing mantle]

I guess the animals and plants

Not really for the island itself

[woeful moth]

everything got ridiculous

[urban lodge]

The ancient kingdom is at the center of the ring under the sea

[shadow python]

If Harald had regen he wouldn't have died so the steels probably don't get it

[dense rapids]

Jaya/Skypeia
LRLL
FMI
Wano

Most important arcs

The arcs people don’t seem to like

[keen quiver]

Jaya and skypiea shot up in importantance in the last 2 arcs

[dense rapids]

It was always important we just never knew

[sage temple]

This arc is about to be likable and important

[dense rapids]

FMI literally has the cover with the Nika mermaid above Luffy head

And people still say retcon

“Oda didn’t do that on purpose”

[keen quiver]

God himself couldn't make me like wano tho

[dense rapids]

Yea I don’t like Wano either

Maybe because of how long it was taking reading weekly

I stopped reading weekly so many times throughout it

[shadow python]

I thought kabuki plays were 5 acts and was just waiting for act 3 to end

[keen quiver]

Even by my 4th reread I want to get it over with by act 3

Christ

[dense rapids]

There was times in Wano where I wouldn’t even read 10 chapters

I remember when Luffy went gear 5 and we got Hiyori in the chapter 😂😂😂

Everyone was heated

I was like tf is people talking about 😂

[dapper tree]

Resin was stupid

[sage temple]

Where did that come from tho

[dense rapids]

Yuderon

And monkey pointing at the tree sap

[sage temple]

🤦‍♂️

[dense rapids]

They were looking at the wrong color spread

[dapper tree]

From people doubting what Luffy's fruit was and then luffy "melting" after kaido killed him

[sage temple]

Lmao

[urban lodge]

Yuderon made it but the goat Pringles popularized it

[shadow python]

The Dressrosa coliseum tournament was kinda odd no? It was hyped as an event where the strongest from all over the world would gather to win the legendary Mera Mera. And Rebecca was able to make it to the finals just because she had basic CoO

[dapper tree]

I, of course, did the reasonable thing to fight against that terrible theory. And join the "Luffy is actually cheese not resin" theory

[dense rapids]

This was the one that said the real fruit name

Luffy literally looking at Nika

Above his head

[dapper tree]

Ehhh, it was a bunch of bums for a street legal tournament.

[shadow python]

Bb sent his commander, big mom probably should have done the same. Flame is important for baking and would have worked well with her crews theme

Kaido not sending one is fine since Doffy himself was basically Kaidos 4th commander

[dapper tree]

Burgess was undercover, too many commanders would have been too much attention

[dapper tree]

Doffy wishes he was that strong

[shadow python]

Are we going to pretend wearing a paper bag over your head is cover?

You don't think Doffy is as strong as Snack or Izo?

[dapper tree]

It worked

[dense rapids]

@sage temple I saw someone mention Loki and the Galelila will control pluton

[dapper tree]

No, Doffy gets destroyed by Izo. Snack has 0 feats and was fired for a reason

[hazy echo]

https://x.com/Seahawks/status/1995283810905452555

Seattle Seahawks (@Seahawks)

W as big as Elbaph. 🏴‍☠️

X · Dec 1, 2025, 12:08 AM

Hey Pasta

[dapper tree]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-screaming-then-running-away-spongebob-squarepants-spongebob-spongebob-meme-running-gif-14848209682511966800

I was busy for Thanksgiving with my fam

[vital heart]

Meek translation of the Davy Jones SBS question:

"Right.. first, the phrase "Davy Back" doesn't even exist in legends. The Davy Back Fight (DBF) is the name of a game that exists in the One Piece world. However, the Davy Jones Locker, which was mentioned in Volume 33 by Robin, is a famous and old legend among sailors. There are various versions but basically, Davy Jones was a liar, a good for nothing pirate. He was an incredibly avaricious boatswain that took everybody's belongings and treasure, and shut them all in his own locker. That's what he was known for. Among pirates, he was a bad guy, and so one day, the devil cursed him to continue to live on the sea floor for eternity. Ever since then, whenever a ship, sailor, or even treasure sinks into the sea, they all end up on the sea floor, shut in his locker, never to be found again. That's how the legend went. This is how pirates may use this phrase --> "I'm gonna toss you into Davy Jones' locker!!", which means --> "I'll sink you into the deep sea and kill you!" is how it works. "

@dense rapids @tough igloo

[hazy echo]

whoa

[dapper tree]

whoa

[shadow python]

Doffy didn't seem to be terribly inferior to Cracker. He fought Law and Fujitora, had his insides messed up and stitched back together with string and still outlasted Gear 4 all without needing to awaken. I don't really see an issue with him being Kaidos 4th commander. The Joker is also a card suit like king Queen and Jack

[dapper tree]

Doffy sucks next to Cracker

[frigid gulch]

[dapper tree]

The only thing he got is some flight mobility

[ocean totem]

He did need to awaken to outlast Gear 4th

[dapper tree]

Doffy couldn't do anything to g4

[hazy echo]

Respect your elders

[dense rapids]

So Davy jones was apart of joy boy crew

[dense rapids]

A boatswain isn’t a captain

[dapper tree]

Meanwhile Cracker was tagging and dodging g4 pretty easily

[dapper tree]

My fav image

[vital heart]

There's a couple interesting things I noticed upon translating this that I noticed the Viz missed. The SBS thing literally tells you the role that Davy Jones had!! He was a boatswain (I have no idea what this is so I had to look it up on google: 甲板長 was his role).

[vital heart]

@dense rapids

[dapper tree]

Plus cracker has much better coa than doffy

Stopping g4 attacks

[shadow python]

Cracker did have better CoA

[frigid gulch]

Cracker’s attacks were cool

Roll and Honey Pretzel

[keen quiver]

@wet heron @civic dust check it out

[dapper tree]

Loved those moves

[woeful moth]

both are no diffed by Kuzan anyway

[dapper tree]

I mean, true

Kuzan is stronger than any commander

Not much of a contest

[hazy echo]

Kuzan is much faster and can freeze the opponent

[dapper tree]

Also very true

[ocean totem]

Maybe hot take

[shadow python]

But even Doffy was able to unfreeze himself

[ocean totem]

but I could see King taking Kuzan

[frigid gulch]

That’s basically what he does

[dapper tree]

[vital heart]

Then Katakuri could take Kuzan

[keen quiver]

Bean

[frigid gulch]

Unless they’re strong enough to break it

[dapper tree]

Bean

[vital heart]

This is a take not based in our reality

[keen quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/side-eye-side-eye-meme-tiktok-the-pointer-brothers-gif-13730785519279791710

[dapper tree]

Don't do this

[vital heart]

🤦‍♂️

[shadow python]

Before the Kuzan flashback I probably would have agreed. But Kuzans got hands

[sage temple]

Yeah I think it'll play out someway like that

[dapper tree]

Not really comparable

[frigid gulch]

It’ll play out like how GB did them

[dapper tree]

Kata gets mogged by king

[vital heart]

Katakuri is arguably on the same level as King. Not getting into this debate. I left this shit back in Wano.

[dapper tree]

Kata doesn't have the damage output

[frigid gulch]

GB basically said commanders ain’t shit

[dapper tree]

Or speed to out speed

[vital heart]

Kata literally will dodge every single attack King throws at him.

[sage temple]

Katakuri can't damage King

[keen quiver]

Kuzan just has too much in the bag

[woeful moth]

he totally is... people just don't want to discuss it properly

[dapper tree]

King will dodge king. Very true

[vital heart]

Aight bro

[sage temple]

Nice one

[shadow python]

That was what was weird about King. He can just be invincible right?

Like why turn that off?

[vital heart]

Ego

[dapper tree]

Yes, he only lost to zoro because he decided to give up and throw his fight

[dapper tree]

It wasnt even ego

[sage temple]

Crazy asspull bro

[vital heart]

How did Zoro Lucci Kaku and Luffy beat the Seraphim then?

[frigid gulch]

King is very strong for someone who uses his fruit half the time

[shadow python]

Bubbles

[dapper tree]

Put them in a bubble

[vital heart]

Oh

Shoot

Youre right lol

[digital spear]

Bubbles and Snake loves Luffy

[vital heart]

I thought they knocked them out then bubbled them

[dapper tree]

Bubble was stronger than the seraphim

[sage temple]

Yeah Zoro can almost beat me so I'm going to lower my defenses and continue to attack him with things I know he can handle

[dapper tree]

So bubble is stronger, right, Socrates

[vital heart]

Genuinely how do the bubbles even work

[woeful moth]

Katakuri has a mastery of his fruit that King doesn't have too

[ocean totem]

Ew no

[shadow python]

We win by bubbling Imu

[woeful moth]

they have very different strength and weaknesses

[dapper tree]

Not really a factor that helps

[woeful moth]

they're basically equals

[dapper tree]

Not really

[keen quiver]

https://youtube.com/shorts/Oe6fm9rwmQw?si=9hrL26ne_TdOiehH What it feels like seeing people think katakuri can fight any admiral

[sage temple]

The material itself yeah

[dapper tree]

King has much better raw stats and invincibility

[frigid gulch]

I’m sure King clears in raw strength

[ocean totem]

There's a pretty big difference between the two

[dapper tree]

You need help

[digital spear]

Mochi gets instantly frozen

[woeful moth]

if awakening a df is not a factor... we basically lost the plot

[ocean totem]

Why would it be a factor? More mochi is not the key here

[dapper tree]

It's not a factor that helps

Like it's there

[sage temple]

The material itself was strong enough to the point that the Seraphim can't damage it

[dapper tree]

But doesn't help

[woeful moth]

yeah we lost the plot

[sage temple]

Which means it is stronger

[keen quiver]

More mochi isn't gonna help katakuri damage king

[shadow python]

Kata needs his awakening to be at the level

[sage temple]

That's logical

[woeful moth]

yeah because that dude is built like a tank...

[dapper tree]

King's raw stats out do anytging kata can do

[shadow python]

Queen could probably beat most commanders though. He has poison gas he just chose not to use it vs Sanji

[digital spear]

Awakening lets Kata turn the walls mochi but King can fly

[dapper tree]

Queen would lose to kata. Nothing queen has really gets Kata

[frigid gulch]

King’s base alone is super strong

[shadow python]

Kata has to breathe and he shouldn't be poison immune

[dapper tree]

King is just too strong stat wise for kata to match up

[grand flower]

Fantastic since Luffy and Joy boy share a va

[woeful moth]

it will literally be a fight till someone gets tired anyway

[shadow python]

He's also not nearly strong enough to put down Queen

[dapper tree]

But he can see the future and isn't gonna get hit by slow ass poison

He can suffocate queen

[keen quiver]

Wasn't katakuri struggling to tag sanji pre buff ?

[dapper tree]

If needed

[dapper tree]

No

[woeful moth]

King will not be able to touch Kata... while Kata not damaging so much King

first one who breaks wins

[dapper tree]

King is as fast if not faster than Kata

[dapper tree]

Speed isn't that great of a difference

[woeful moth]

yeah... kata can see the future

[dapper tree]

That doesn't help of the enemy is that much faster

[frigid gulch]

That might be true. Kat’s speed and future sight is trouble

[dapper tree]

We see that

[digital spear]

He failed hitting him with a bean thats not really struggling

[dapper tree]

That means almost nothing

[keen quiver]

King is straight up faster

[digital spear]

Like the bean is 1% of Katas power

[woeful moth]

not that fast to invalidate future sight

[keen quiver]

Why the hell katauri bringing it up then

[frigid gulch]

Bean diff

[ocean totem]

I honestly couldn't see him being only as fast as Katakuri personally

[frigid gulch]

[keen quiver]

We just ignoring feats when it goes agaisnt the agenda

[woeful moth]

only literally level of Kaido speed that can invalidate Future Sight

[keen quiver]

Has future sight and he fails to land a simple bean

[ocean totem]

'cause we meet him when he's faster than Zoro and Luffy after heavy training arcs

[dapper tree]

Luffy in snakeman was enough to keep up with and outspeed some of Kata's future sight. King is doing that much easier

[ocean totem]

It's the person, not the sight

[keen quiver]

You don't add a question mark unless you're suprised

[ocean totem]

And King shouldn't have any trouble getting around Katakuri's

[shadow python]

Luffy had future sight of his own at the time he never tried using snakeman before his own upgrade

[digital spear]

The bean is barely 1% of Katas power. Kata can do much more than shooting 1 bean

[civic dust]

😭 on WCI sanji

[woeful moth]

by that time both are not 100% anyway

[keen quiver]

You can just dodge future sight if you're faster

[ocean totem]

Forget about dodging, Katakuri can't avoid an omnidirectional blast

[dapper tree]

It's relative to who the characters are

[shadow python]

Kinda a dick move to only use it after Kata skewered himself luffy

[keen quiver]

You can see the future but if you can't move fast enough it means nothing

[dapper tree]

They are still outputting normal damage

[woeful moth]

the thing is he can move fast enough... the difference really isn't that big

[dapper tree]

It is

[keen quiver]

The moment king lands a hit its down hill for katakuri

[dapper tree]

Kata doesn't have the base stats

[vital heart]

This is some 2021 ass conversation. Holy shit.

[keen quiver]

He's not dependant on future sight for dodging

[vital heart]

Genuinely felt like I got sent back in time

[ocean totem]

Here's the difference - Katakuri was as fast as Luffy in Boundman, the one that first steps foot into Wano

[woeful moth]

base stats is so funny too

[keen quiver]

Or tanking

[dapper tree]

Meek, we can go back further

[ocean totem]

King should be much faster than that

[vital heart]

Wait when was King v Zoro

[stone terrace]

Some things never change

[vital heart]

2021 right

[digital spear]

Yes

[keen quiver]

Yeah 5 years ago

[stone terrace]

The very end i think

[wraith mantle]

king vs katakuri huh

[vital heart]

Yeah this is a 2021 conversation lmfao

[dapper tree]

Classic

[wraith mantle]

i would take socratezs loki glaze over this

[shadow python]

The Queen is the strongest piece in chess

[dapper tree]

Lmao

[digital spear]

We made no progress

[woeful moth]

its the same thing

[keen quiver]

Debatable to me

[digital spear]

So many people say King = Kata but the others say King is stronger and no one is really convinced

[dapper tree]

We can go back to cracker vs doffy

[trim lily]

cracker wins

[digital spear]

Hell on earth

[woeful moth]

but toppest of the top potential? Kata has better top end than King...

[dapper tree]

Or doffy vs dressrosa luffy and how much radio knife helped?

[woeful moth]

i think King is really just stronger now by a little bit that it really doesn't matter to me

[dapper tree]

Both are old ass men

[digital spear]

Or Cracker vs Jack

[shadow python]

Ironically cracker vs Doffy is another example of awakened fruit user vs non awakened superior being

[dapper tree]

Oh yes, very good

[vital heart]

Cracker >>>>>>>>>> Doffy

[vital heart]

DRose Luffy >>>>>> Doffy

[dapper tree]

The only thing you'll be right about

[trim lily]

isnt that a food

[vital heart]

Cracker == Jack

[trim lily]

cracker jacks

[dapper tree]

Wrong

[dapper tree]

Good enough

[shadow python]

Doffys insides were held together by string

[woeful moth]

tbh i really think that 3 sweet commander = 3 calamities... but that's probably just me

[dapper tree]

[woeful moth]

at the least they are very close to strength with each other

[digital spear]

Jack vs Cracker is like a multiple day long fight of endurance

[shadow python]

I'm not going to just assume Smoothie is strong

[ocean totem]

They kinda can't be with how Wano goes

[vital heart]

This is true.

[digital spear]

yeah idk Oda fucked up Smoothie

[vital heart]

Thanks for understanding why the Yonko are in equilibrium with each other.

Its because theyre all EQUAL

LOL

[digital spear]

we have almost no idea how well Smoothie fares in all this

[shadow python]

Shouldn't Kaido have had an Ace?

[vital heart]

Smoothie = Queen

Cracker = Jack

Katakuri = King

Like bruh

[dapper tree]

Ehhh, matchups and stats matter

[vital heart]

Its supposed to be this clear.

[shadow python]

King Queen Jack and Joker Ace is missing here

[digital spear]

That was Ace

[honest garden]

Smoothie just didn't have a nice place in the story, it's unfortunate

[vital heart]

Yamato

Or

Hanafuda.........

Hanafuda

[dapper tree]

Yamato was stronger than all 3

[woeful moth]

Yamato was never a Beast Pirate anyway

[dapper tree]

Hanafuda was not

[stone terrace]

If oda wasnt a COWARD and made nami really strong she couldve fought smoothie

[honest garden]

If it is that clear, can you provide evidence of that?

[scenic dirge]

Wait wtf I just realized Cracker + Jack = Cracker Jack

[digital spear]

Shouldve come to Onigashima with Peros 😔 just to get another matchup people will complain about

[vital heart]

All the evidence you need is that the BM and the Beast Pirates are in equilibrium with each other. Meaning theyre all equal to each other.

[scenic dirge]

This is big

I have to tell someone

[shadow python]

Maybe if Ace was found by Kaido rather than Whitebeard he'd have joined up with him instead

[dapper tree]

My 2 fav commanders

[digital spear]

We have to tell EVERYONE

[honest garden]

Why are they in equilibrium?

[digital spear]

My fav commanders are uhm Zoro and Sanji (:

[vital heart]

Because if they werent then whichever pirate crew was stronger would just take over their territories? Lol???

[ocean totem]

But like no

[shadow python]

There are other factors to Big Mom and Kaido. Kaido loves his big sis. When Big mom was captured and at his mercy Kaido released her no questions asked and the two got to drinking

[digital spear]

Doesnt mean the Calamities and Sweet Commanders line up like that. You forgot the BM pirates had Snack

[tranquil blade]

Big Mom got the number advantage so she doesnt really need someone strong enough to match King on their own

[honest garden]

They're very close, and going to war means they would both lose more than they gain. In their weakened state the government would also definitely kill the weakened winner

[vital heart]

Snack is weak lol

[tranquil blade]

or another emperor would swoop in

[vital heart]

Like genuinely weak

[tranquil blade]

Probably Blackbeard

[shadow python]

Kaidos army was significantly greater than Big moms

[honest garden]

Queen's plagues decimate anyone who isn't a tanuki

[digital spear]

Why was he a sweet commander then

[shadow python]

Big mom probably had more quality members though

Snack was able to beat Kidd

[honest garden]

Oven the MVP of WCI

[dapper tree]

But if the yonko all equal each other and so do their commanders. Then 3 all stars = 3 sweet commanders = 10 titanic captains = 9 Shanks officers = 16 WB commanders. So by that math the lower commanders are stronger to keep the equilibrium

[digital spear]

nah Kid beat Snack

[tranquil blade]

Did he only have like two diseases or viruses in Onigashima because I feel like he shouldve been able to pull out something against Sanji

[dapper tree]

King and kata as strong as 3 titanic captions and 3 of shanks boys

[dense rapids]

Yes, I will be stealing this

[digital spear]

Snack gave Kid the road poneglyph because he was defeated

[honest garden]

I think against Sanji he wanted to show off his germa-replicate tech

[vital heart]

"Very Close" is literally just you avoiding to say that theyre equal. It literally wouldnt make sense for them to not be equal.

Like I said, theyre in equilibrium (all 4 yonko) because all 4 crews are at equal strength with each other, just partitioned differently. I just posit that the BMP and the BP happen to be 2 crews that are partitioned the same in strength between their crew mates - especially when it comes to their commanders.

[shadow python]

It was said only Urogue was able to beat one of the commanders

[woeful moth]

yeah... shanks being top heavy is why he equilibriums their armies

[digital spear]

A really interesting would be who the best scientist is

[dapper tree]

Kaido and BM strongest crews confirmed

[woeful moth]

like the bounty people even explained that shit

[ocean totem]

All 4 crews are not in equal strength with each other

[digital spear]

Caesar Queen or Judge

[dense rapids]

Going off what Oda said

Davy Jones was the first mate on a ship

Most likely joy boy

[digital spear]

With everything we saw or what was said about them

[vital heart]

They have to be otherwise 1 yonko crew would just stomp whichever is slacking behind in strength.... that's why the Non-Yonko pirate crews HAVE to ally with a yonko crew otherwise they'd get decimated in the New World

[vital heart]

VP lol

[shadow python]

Whitebeard had 14 commanders with Marco being able to handle King and Queen at the same time

[digital spear]

@vital heart

[tranquil blade]

I'd argue it was probably Queen

[ocean totem]

Not really, even if one crew can take on another there's no guarantee they'll come out in one piece. Being able to defeat another crew and it being worth going through the effort of doing are very different things

[vital heart]

Nvm it's definitely Queen

[blazing mantle]

Judge is the best scientist

[shadow python]

...is it not vegapunk?

[tranquil blade]

because Queen managed to recreate Judge's stuff, except the cloning part

[blazing mantle]

Yeah but he wasn’t listed

[honest garden]

How do you address that them being close (read: not necessarily equal) in strength means a full-out war like you mentioned would be strictly harmful to both parties

[dapper tree]

Meek, the 3 all stars vs the 10 titanic captains? Still equal?

[ocean totem]

Big Mom's crew just has not seemed as up there as the Beast pirates so far

[digital spear]

@shadow python guys

[blazing mantle]

That’s like the big thing though

[ocean totem]

They have numbers more than strength

[honest garden]

Caesar's weapon was essentially like a nuke

[dapper tree]

3 sweet commanders vs 16 WB commanders

[honest garden]

Eh not quite a nuke, but pretty bad

[digital spear]

I was about to say, Judge was the only one we saw cloning

[shadow python]

Judge made the best cyborg in cyborg Sanji

[blazing mantle]

Ace can clutch against the commanders so we’re chilling

[dapper tree]

[tranquil blade]

Yeah but he got everything else, plus Queen developed his own laser tech from what it seems and managed to make himself a cyborg

[honest garden]

I think all 3 have their strengths ❤️

Vega mogs them all profoundly though

[shadow python]

Bb wasn't even a commander and he was able to scar Shanks

[blazing mantle]

Laser tech is overrated idk why all the characters glaze it

[tranquil blade]

because it hit hard

[blazing mantle]

Raid suits were better

[shadow python]

Whitebeards army was definitely the strongest

[blazing mantle]

Kinda

[dapper tree]

All three vs vega

[blazing mantle]

If you ignore that big mom randomly had a gun to counter the durability

[dapper tree]

[blazing mantle]

Where’d she even get that thing

[tranquil blade]

VP lowkey robbed their ideas and then made it better

[shadow python]

Caesar probably

[honest garden]

Unironic vega stomps them. They don't get past the kumabots

[woeful moth]

no its the other way... they all stole from vegapunk and made worse versions of it

[shadow python]

Oh right I forgot. Bonney also has an army of kumabots

What happened to those again?

[digital spear]

Well we first saw VPs clones before Judges

[honest garden]

With the government. Bonney only has the real Kuma

[vital heart]

Vega destroys them.

[digital spear]

And it was an army of cyborg clones

[vital heart]

Gimme a sec.

[woeful moth]

they are not even close

[dapper tree]

Now answer my other questions about vs if you wanna play that even match up logic, lmao

[distant vine]

This is anime only right?

[blazing mantle]

Wait are we just doing the one Stella vegapunk

[digital spear]

Can they actually add up their intelligence like that

[tranquil blade]

Okay but like one of the satelites vs Queen Caesar and Judge

Well I guess its the same

[blazing mantle]

The satellites aren’t that strong

[dapper tree]

If they tried then maybe

[tranquil blade]

Yeah but they're smart

[vital heart]

The BBP are sooo irrelevant to this discussion considering them being a new Yonko crew - the only ones that I'm thinking of are the legit Yonkos: WBP, BMP, Beast Pirates, and the Red Haired Pirates.

But I guess you could say that King Queen and Jack are slightly less stronger than all 10 titanic captains (when including Kuzan). This is beacuse Kaido is much stronger than BB. This cancels out and results in having equal crews.

[honest garden]

Depends how much tech they're carrying

[dapper tree]

SLIGHTY!??!?!?!?

[blazing mantle]

Aren’t they fighting in an open field or something

[dapper tree]

Meek is insane

[tranquil blade]

THis was a fight? I thought this was an intelligence contest

[vital heart]

Bruh, do u not realize how fodder half the titanic captains are???????

[dapper tree]

The 10 titanic captains wipe the 3 all stars

[digital spear]

Yes it was, dont let Barlaxy gaslight you

[vital heart]

BRUH

Only because of KUZAN

[shadow python]

Shiryu is supposed to be ln level with Magellan

[vital heart]

the 3 all stars would mop the other 9 titanic captains.

[tranquil blade]

No

[digital spear]

Who told you that

[blazing mantle]

Kuzan and maybe augur + Shiryu hard carry

[woeful moth]

i thought that too... if its intelligence contest... VP fckin wipes the floor... even if they recruited more scientists by their side

[dapper tree]

You will hurt garp stocks if you say the captains are fodder cause then it's less impressive

[vital heart]

Hell no, the fuck

[blazing mantle]

I assumed

[vital heart]

Did you not see Garp destroy them?

[blazing mantle]

Ok chill

[tranquil blade]

Well Garp is tuff

[blazing mantle]

They aren’t that bad

[digital spear]

Powerscalers 😔

[blazing mantle]

Wait augur wasn’t even there

[vital heart]

Garp is probably on par with 3 commanders - considering his age today

[digital spear]

Garp EVAPORATED the entire Blackbeard pirates like theyre just dust now

[dapper tree]

Building hunter garp

[shadow python]

Garp as an old man strolled in soloed half the commanders. They were celebrating getting a single drop of blood while Garp was distracted and Shiryu was invisible

[tranquil blade]

Remember when the anime had Augur embarrass Cracker for no reason

[digital spear]

W anime

[dapper tree]

So him destroying fodder makes garp strong?

[shadow python]

Also isn't invisibility kinda pointless with CoO being a thing for all relevant fighters?

[honest garden]

I think in a drawn out fight Garp vs commanders is close, if Kuzan isn't there

[woeful moth]

they are literally lucky that Kuzan is there... Kuzan is just above all of them commanders

[honest garden]

I'm certain CoO can't see invis

It would make it pointless, it doesn't make sense story-wise to nerf it like that

[tranquil blade]

Anime Van Augur might be stronger than King tbh

[sage temple]

Don't flatter me

[digital spear]

New YC3 > old YC3

[shadow python]

Luffy was blindfolded when doing CoO training

[dapper tree]

If it goes Kuzan vs King, then 5 people vs Queen, and 4 people vs Jack. The all stars get folded

[honest garden]

All Oda has to do is say it hides from CoO too

[dapper tree]

Caue kuzan insta folds the other 2 and moves on to king in any other case

[vital heart]

Yeah thats a fair point I guess

[vital heart]

Yeah I guess you have a good point here in your question but I'd just like to say that the BMP and the Beast Pirates in particular have been shown to be equal. That's the whole point of the BM Kaido dynamic from Day 1

[dapper tree]

[vital heart]

That theyre equals/sibling-like relationship

[tranquil blade]

No BM and Kaido have been shown to be near equal, that does not mean their crews are equal

[vital heart]

I can agree that the BB/RHP/etc all have different strength levels among their whole yonko crew

[ocean totem]

Their equality was pretty much ending at Big Mom being an Emperor as well

[vital heart]

My friend. they fought for 3 days with no clear consensus by the end of the fight on who did better

[ocean totem]

And unfortunately we have very linear scaling to show there's a sizable gap between their commanders

Not least of which being Katakuri was weaker than Dressrosa's Boundman

[vital heart]

WHAT?

[tranquil blade]

This is like when people say Marco is as strong as Rayleigh because the WB and Roger pirates were said to be equal, that's mostly cause Roger and Whitebeard were equals

[opaque jewel]

I think kaido is marginally stronger than BM (though they’re both equally durable) but that her crew is a bit better than his

[ocean totem]

Luffy and Zoro grew much, much stronger beyond that

[dapper tree]

In terms of raw stats

[vital heart]

Btw, Let me just tell you that BM quite literally 1 shot Queen in Udon while being under amnesia

[ocean totem]

It's true, Katakuri couldn't handle Boundman's power

[ocean totem]

And Kaido one shot Luffy while barely sober

[tranquil blade]

Yeah, Kaido AND Big Mom, that does NOT mean that her crew is as strong as Kaido's crew

[ocean totem]

We also don't actually know how long they fought

We just know that three days in Queen noticed they were chummy

[sage temple]

Is it still King vs Katakuri

[digital spear]

Rogers commanders > Whitebeards commanders > Kaidos commanders > Big Moms commanders

where to put Shanks BB Buggy and Luffy?

[vital heart]

Yeah but she has like 10x more crew members than Beast Pirates. She has a whole country/archipelago and a mini-WG. Kaido has a meager castle and a couple islands.

[tranquil blade]

Okay I guess sure whatever, but none of this means that Katakuri is an equal to King

[vital heart]

Is this what youre still on about

[tranquil blade]

Ohhhhhhhh my god bruh

[ocean totem]

Meager really isn't the word to describe Kaido's place

[digital spear]

Thats why Kaidos individual members are stronger

[ocean totem]

Dude's house was the size of a city

[vital heart]

All I'm gonna say is that if we see Katakuri and King ever interact from chapter 1168+ onwards, the only thing Oda will show is a 1 panel clash and they'll appear to be even.

[woeful moth]

its meager compared to big mom's

[dense rapids]

“Katakuri next Yonko”

[woeful moth]

which is crazy to say tbh

[digital spear]

This is kinda true

[vital heart]

wdym?

[dense rapids]

A boatswain is a bosun

Tho I think the word Oda used is “Deck Chief”

[tranquil blade]

Katakuri is gonna get some semi-arbitrary upscale probably but sure I guess

[ocean totem]

But it really isn't though, Onigashima was the size of a city

[woeful moth]

haki bloom having ACoC now... probably that's his upscale

[digital spear]

yeah Oda will portray it like that

[ocean totem]

And that's multiple levels the size of a city lol

[leaden rivet]

Kaido one shotting luffy really imo makes Katakuri vs King rather simple to me

[tranquil blade]

It's only small compared to Big Mom's empire because she has like 30 islands all right next to each other

[leaden rivet]

But I understand why this is an argument

[ocean totem]

It really should

The Luffy that Kaido one shots is stronger than Katakuri in that form

[somber rivet]

not like Oda care about Powerscaling tho...

[ocean totem]

Luffy gets stronger than that by a good leap, and is still weaker than King by the time he hits the rooftop

[leaden rivet]

Why would a shonen mangaka not care about powerscaling?

[digital spear]

Would you say Luffy is stronger than Kaido and Big Mom

[somber rivet]

Because the story is more important than that?

[tranquil blade]

He wouldnt

Not for Kaido

[leaden rivet]

Powerscaling is a part of the story

[somber rivet]

Oda make Crocodile really competent in Marineford.

the same guy who lost with Luffy

[wet condor]

Oda is not going to have hang-ups putting Kat on the same level as King, yeah

[ocean totem]

More than Big Mom I'd be okay with, maybe not Kaido just yet

[vital heart]

ok now this is crazy. Luffy was weaker than King at the rooftop???

[ocean totem]

Yes

[leaden rivet]

Yes he professed in power

[dense rapids]

[opaque jewel]

Not necessarily, I can think of several examples even in shonen manga where power is just “whatever the author needs the character to be”

[ocean totem]

King was more durable than Kaido and Luffy could not harm him before chapter 1010

[tranquil blade]

Now Luffy might surpass Kaido at some point if he's supposed to be Joyboy 2

[shadow python]

Kizaru was down to fight Kaido and Big Mom at the same time

[dense rapids]

Kaido fought a 100 people

[somber rivet]

While he was in Impel Down?

[dense rapids]

Stop it

[leaden rivet]

That doesn’t matter

[somber rivet]

Chained?

[ocean totem]

This doesn't matter at all

[woeful moth]

now that's crazy

[digital spear]

thats not really important for the story I think he just wanted Crocodile to be cool

like he couldve made anyone else do what Croc did but he really wanted Croc to be that mf

[woeful moth]

I REALLY CANT

[leaden rivet]

Just because powerscaling is inconsistent doesn’t devalue it, that’s like saying the story doesn’t matter because there’s plot holes here and there.

[ocean totem]

I said King's more durable than Kaido and Luffy couldn't harm King until 1010, how is Kaido fighting people relevant lol

[ocean totem]

It's true

[tranquil blade]

I think he replied to the wrong person

[ocean totem]

Put it this way, Zoro scarring Kaido was inarguably stronger than Luffy entering Wano, right?

[shadow python]

I think we should ask can King just be invincible indefinitely?

[ocean totem]

That Zoro could barely put a mark on King even when King's flames were down, and he couldn't draw any blood at all

[somber rivet]

That´s my point, lad. Oda will make someone cool even if it makes no sense in powerscaling terms.

[tranquil blade]

If you dump a bucket of water on King's flames does he lose his durability

[ocean totem]

We have very linear scaling for King vs Katakuri, and it's rare that it's this straight forward

But unless we want to say Oda would make them equal just for the thematics, all evidence points heavily toward King being above Katakuri pretty much across the board

[pine ridge]

but did you take into account the fact that katakuri is cool while king is lame

[digital spear]

Yeah but it doesnt make sense for the story either. Oda neither did it for the story nor for powerscaling. He wanted Croc to be cool

[tranquil blade]

If you really think about it if Caesar played his cards right...

[ocean totem]

For real how it feels like people argue this

[tranquil blade]

King is tuff tho

[pine ridge]

but yeah king should win sadly

[frozen ravine]

king is not lame king is cool too, he just doesnt have a fleshed out backstory

[tranquil blade]

It's still ironic that the guy given the name King had no king's haki

[digital spear]

Its because Kata left such a big impression in WCI or people cant forgive King for the weakness thing

[leaden rivet]

Idk how king doesn’t have coc

[lofty fern]

What is this football propaganda in my One piece?

[shadow python]

Oh thats right. Caesars no air power is still really strong. Does king need to breathe while invincible?

[leaden rivet]

Must be rigged

[somber rivet]

My point remains the same. Oda will put his preference before trying to think if that will break or not the power balance between characters. Maybe not for the story, yes, but because he wants

[tranquil blade]

It's because Katakuri fought Luffy and the fight was awesome

[shadow python]

I imagine the lack of fire would also put the flames out

[tranquil blade]

Also Katakuri is kinda like Luffy so people naturally like him

[frozen ravine]

king doesnt even have 2 wings anymore

[digital spear]

Probably because he only started to care to be Kaidos henchman at some point but he should still have it imo

[ocean totem]

And the sad bit is the weakness was hardly a weakness

[leaden rivet]

I assumed king would have coc for the same reason Rayleigh and Zoro had it

[ocean totem]

Zoro couldn't harm King even without the fire before he had conqueror's

[leaden rivet]

Trying to make kaido king and what not

[somber rivet]

Zoro has his own goals tho.

King only cares for the goal of Kaido.

Even Katakuri cares about his sister before watever Big Mom wanted

[tranquil blade]

Conqueors haki is pretty vague with who does and doesn't qualify for it

[ocean totem]

^ Still a bit

[alpine trench]

It’s very clear why King doesn’t have it

[digital spear]

This is true but I think he still has an idea of how the power system in One Piece works and generally where every character is around. Maybe he has a different idea than the fans have tho, he has the most knowledge of the series and what everyones future will be after all

[lofty fern]

Well, he cares unless it goes against Big Mom

[somber rivet]

One can make an argument even for Queen, who really cares about his own ambitions.

[somber rivet]

He is a mama-boy, after all

[digital spear]

I think it wouldve been cool if King and Queen both had it

Fitting to their names

[ocean totem]

^

[digital spear]

And to them arguing all the time

[somber rivet]

Same

[ocean totem]

Be the third crew to have more than one besides the captain and besides Xebec

[digital spear]

Queen REALLY wanted to be better than the other scientists too

[tranquil blade]

Well 4th kind of

Strawhats, WB pirates, Roger pirates are the 3 we have now

[digital spear]

Roger had himself Ray Gaban Oden

[tranquil blade]

and BM pirates

[somber rivet]

And I agreed. At the end of the day, it is Oda who knows his own creation. Better than a lot of other mangakas, I can tell.

[ocean totem]

Whitebeard, Roger and Xebec were the only ones who had multiple users besides the captain iirc

[digital spear]

Basically I mean Oda maybe cares about powerscaling but has its own idea of it

[ocean totem]

The strawhats just have Zoro so far

[tranquil blade]

Well that's true

[somber rivet]

Also, The Blackbeard pirates are the only Yonko crew without a confirmed Conqueror user...not even Blackbeard is confirmed yet.

no, wait. Buggy too

[tranquil blade]

I thought you meant in total counting the captain

[somber rivet]

Mihawk is not confirmed yet

[tranquil blade]

Strawhats are probably about to join that

and maybe Cross Guild depending on who joins it

[shadow python]

Mihawk might have a black blade but does that really matter if he can't use ACoc?

[digital spear]

If Doffy joins its sealed

[somber rivet]

Maybe he lost his conqueror after losing his own ambition.

[digital spear]

Depending on if black blades are related to acoc

[somber rivet]

But no one can lose their conqueror Haki.

[tranquil blade]

Moria had CoC in his prime btw #definitelynotheadcanon

[shadow python]

They don't seem to be there's no indication Ryuma had it and Roger Rocks and Whitebeard despite having it didn't have black blades

[digital spear]

Joyboys crew definitely oozed CoC

[opaque jewel]

yo forget the “why doesn’t Robin know haki post ts” why the fuck was Zoro chilling with Mihawk for 2 years actively learning about haki and he doesn’t know what conquerors is

[digital spear]

So glue

[somber rivet]

Any Moria Agenda is a Win, yes

[digital spear]

[shadow python]

The implication is Mihawk couldn't teach something he didn't have

[tranquil blade]

He just got fat and depressed and got rusty with haki

[ocean totem]

He knew what it was, just not that he had it

[tranquil blade]

Well he didnt know Zoro had conquerors haki

How is he supposed to just know that

[shadow python]

Luffy knew

[digital spear]

Mihawk shouldve foretold it with his hawkeyes

[digital spear]

In Elbaf yes

[tranquil blade]

Yeah that was way later tho

Zoro probably hasnt been oozing CoC everywhere since pretimeskip

[digital spear]

Zoro didnt ooze conquerors in FMI already

[vital heart]

I have an insane theory about this btw

I think that the entire East Blue 5 will turn out to be Conqueror's users.

[digital spear]

Oh Ive heard of this (and I agree)

[shadow python]

It seems like Coc is something you can obtain with a strong enough will. Given I doubt Koby is anyone particularly special

[tranquil blade]

Nami had it for 3 seconds as a gag it counts

[somber rivet]

Zoro somehow, probably by instinct, knows how to put his Conqueror in his attacks tho.

Just like with Kaido and Lucci

[tranquil blade]

Look if Jinbe thought it was CoC haki that's all I need

[shadow python]

Zoro already had an understanding for how to use Ryuo pre haki. He would come to the ACoC solution naturally faster than Luffy did

[somber rivet]

Nami with Conqueror before Sanji will be fun to see, tho.

Almost as funny as Jinbei with Conqueror before Sanji

[shadow python]

Speaking of Jinbabe he needs more ambition. He could have CoC too

[digital spear]

Its curious that the East Blue ones are those where it was joked about

[shadow python]

Give it to Vivi

[digital spear]

• Zoro CoC joke when Onigashima floated and then he got it
• Nami CoC joke with Jinbei
• Usopp CoC joke with the Gifters
• Sanji CoC joke in Elbaf

[shadow python]

Isn't it weird how Koza will likely be the new king of Alabasta when he was literally leading the charge to kill the prior king 2 years ago?

[tranquil blade]

Oda loves joking around about CoC

[tranquil blade]

Well he didnt really know that it was all Crocodile's fault tbf

[digital spear]

Well it wouldve ended up with him as king either case but yeah its funny that he would become king legally now

[tranquil blade]

and people kinda make up and forgive each other really quickly in one piece

[woeful moth]

they had 2 years to clear that... and he is working with them now... it turns around like that even in the real world

[somber rivet]

I can bet in the Ancient Kingdom everyone or almost everyone had Conqueror Haki or something like that.

Maybe was pretty common

[dapper tree]

Is bean still around?

[tranquil blade]

Idk maybe

[digital spear]

The times are dire, rebells become kings and kings die quickly

[dapper tree]

Bean, I want you to check my headcanon

[shadow python]

I still ship Vivi and Zoro

[digital spear]

Submit your headcanon it will be fact checked by our local bean

[shadow python]

But I don't see Zoro being Alabastas king

[tranquil blade]

One thousand L's Bean, I ask thee to inspect user Pasta's headcanon

[digital spear]

Bean of the hundred debates

[tranquil blade]

Is 1000 thousand L's an epithet

[digital spear]

Yes

[tranquil blade]

If you really think about it

Bean has an epithet

[dapper tree]

lol, I went into yonko army sizes, so i wanted to compare and did some quick research and memory jogging. Am I missing anything?

[digital spear]

I need that edit where it said something like "when the Facts LEFT Bean..." and it was Whitebeard crying

[dapper tree]

Some clearly we won't have numbers for

[somber rivet]

They...they even have a conversation or something?

Even Ace interacted more with Vivi than him

[shadow python]

Zoro was the only person Vivi gave a cute nickname to

[dapper tree]

Like Luffy's fleet almost equals WB's in size

[tranquil blade]

I keep seeing talk about L's but all I've seen is Akainu vs Whitebeard debates

[somber rivet]

Mr. something?

[tranquil blade]

That's like THE debate

[shadow python]

Bushido

[dapper tree]

I know one of WB's allies is just Little oars and that's one guy

[somber rivet]

Mr. Bushido is a cool nickname for Zoro

[dapper tree]

but he could have more in other crews

[woeful moth]

Lil oars has a crew

[dapper tree]

BM inflates her numbers with homies

[shadow python]

Had a crew. I imagine they broke up when he died

Or if not they died in the payback war

[woeful moth]

i mean the same whitebeard

[dapper tree]

Oh yeah, but I doubt it was 100Plus

[digital spear]

Bean debated that COUNTLESS times and now its not talked much about anymore. It feels like Bean really went on a crusade and killed everyone who said Akainu > WB

[tranquil blade]

I mean they might count tho

[dapper tree]

They do but we never get a number, I think

So I think BM has the largest crew/ army overall

[tranquil blade]

It's not logic it's about agenda now to debaters, the era has changed

[dapper tree]

If one dude had 10k

[dapper tree]

I did too