also-manga

[digital spear]

same lol

[tranquil blade]

Nuh uh I like my Shanks hatred home-made

[analog folio]

Koya can’t message me idk why

[pulsar timber]

SHANKS IS THE GOAT

[hazy turret]

Hi

[tranquil blade]

I kinda just thought “this probably as fuck if you can read japanese”

[wet condor]

There's this thing called a translate button. But basically they're saying in "Ani-One" I don't know what that is really, that Shanks and Buggy address Roger as "Captain" and Rayleigh as "Rayleigh-san" but they don't put any honorifics on Gaban's name lol

[royal orchid]

shanks and shamrock are the same person

[analog folio]

hey

[royal orchid]

turn off friends only

[tranquil blade]

Huh

[sage temple]

https://fixupx.com/mkz_mo/status/1962475767901950336

もっち (@mkz_mo)

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FixupX · Sep 1, 2025, 11:20 AM

Idk looks like the same watermark

[royal orchid]

I'm absorbing every theory

[wraith mantle]

fair enough

[pulsar timber]

Shanks and shamrock are the same person

[wet condor]

I QT'd from the original QTs. Sandman says that Shanks does address both Rayleigh and Gaban respectfully lol

[wet condor]

It's just in "Ani-One" whatever that is

[pulsar path]

Lmao why does this question scare me Soo much 😂😂 of course tho show me the words I don't understand!

[royal orchid]

ida my beloved

[vestal mural]

Oh. Yea I wouldn’t say he’s a hero at all. I don’t think I’d call anyone in the op verse a hero tbh, except maaaaaaybe coby. Rocks is just someone you can sympathize with. I guess people call him a hero because of jow oda subverted our expectations towards him. He went from full on demon to getting so humanized

[hazy turret]

I don’t need the sass back first of all

[royal orchid]

I know she dies though 💔

[digital spear]

It made me angry because without the language you get the full pretentiousness of the art so I immediately tried to translate it to get some joke out of it

[wraith mantle]

dragon is a hero

[pulsar path]

Maot beautiful women in onepiece

[scenic dirge]

W sass

[olive sigil]

I’ll show you how boring the inside is

[wet condor]

The sasser complained about being sassed

[tranquil blade]

pretentiousness?

[warm sierra]

She got the disease of being a mother in One Piece

[frigid gulch]

Cook her

[vestal mural]

Ok that’s true

[royal orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/bornskywalker-dap-me-up-woody-woody-handshake-woody-toy-story-gif-26021440

[hazy turret]

I can’t DM you because you have friends only on

[sage temple]

the pot calls the kettle to have a nice chat about the pot's day

[tranquil blade]

W sass W Music W Speed

[wraith mantle]

i would say kuma is a hero too

[digital spear]

"Hahaha they look so cute" idk im just a hater

[prisma yacht]

he literally is

[analog folio]

I don’t, idk why I can’t dm anyone

[pulsar path]

You sure I won't be sucked into a world of rocks! "I got sucked into a book and brought to a world of different rocks "

[frigid gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/speed-ishowspeed-darren-watkins-speed-meme-speed-pray-gif-17944518743646793301

[analog folio]

It’s ok if u can’t say something here dw, ty for help anyway

[hazy turret]

You failed to consider that the translate feature doesn’t work on images, fool

[sage temple]

https://fixupx.com/mkz_mo/status/1964673707059876338/photo/1

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FixupX · Sep 7, 2025, 12:54 PM

[royal orchid]

W mutual servers

[tranquil blade]

Cant you like scan images now and it lets you translate

[analog folio]

W

[royal orchid]

you do have friends only btw

[wet condor]

I guess I also failed to consider that some folks in chat are incapable of clicking on a Twitter link

[tranquil blade]

or was that just the google phone

[royal orchid]

maybe you didn't save it when you changed

[analog folio]

No I don’t fr

[analog folio]

No, I have friends of friend the friends request, not the dm

[royal orchid]

ixnay on the anderslay

[stone terrace]

the loneliness of strength or something

[analog folio]

Shanks disappointed me so hard this chapter ngl

[hazy turret]

I mean it’s fine, it’s nothing more than any references to things that haven’t been mentioned in the anime yet aren’t allowed, which includes upcoming episode information

[analog folio]

Alright, thank you

[digital spear]

https://tenor.com/view/wolf-alpha-edgy-speechbubble-funny-gif-5390965346521759152

[sage temple]

Best Loki artist oat

[urban lodge]

I wish Oda explained how he knows so much. It makes sense if it's secrets passed down the Davy clan, but that would take one dialogue bubble to explain and Oda just doesn't. Also why is he so strong? His family is a bunch of farmers and he wasn't even a pirate until AFTER he waltzed into Imu's room

[wet condor]

Good art

[stone terrace]

you could try feeding the image to grok

[olive sigil]

It’s 600 pages of this

[hazy turret]

I’m not getting down in the mud with you

[stone terrace]

idk if itll work

[sage temple]

I wish I could draw like mkz_mo can

[urban lodge]

I guess that archetype just pisses me off, it really is the same way I felt about Shanks

[sage temple]

#1 Loki fanartist oat

[digital spear]

Do you think this includes Metaphylite

[strong wadi]

I mean, I'd say Oda doesnt need to state it because it's obvious 😭

[stone terrace]

ye rocks is dark shanks

[royal orchid]

who needs excel

[pulsar timber]

I don’t think there really needs to be an explanation for his strength. Some people in one piece are just naturally strong. I’m sure we will know how he knows stuff later through Blackbeards flashback

[stone terrace]

if you dislike one you should probably dislike the other lol

[royal orchid]

with hyperlinks

[urban lodge]

I think he does because it's very convenient that he knows so much

[analog folio]

Shanks agenda downfall after this chapter needs to be studied

[strong wadi]

I'd say it's clear that Rocks' life was set-up to be the one to take down Imu, that's why his wife mentions that he has failed

[digital spear]

His family being a bunch of farmers explains why he is such an aurafarmer...

[urban lodge]

A bunch of villagers in the middle of the west blue who know the entire history of the world

Yeah I think an explanation would be good even if it seems obvious

[tranquil blade]

I mean the island seems to be special

[strong wadi]

Yeah, and they have to act like that or else they get wiped out

[pine ridge]

anyone know what this tattoo could mean

[tranquil blade]

and likely the Davys passed down information between themselves over generations

[sage temple]

Hora WHAT me?

[prisma yacht]

Fuck

[stone terrace]

fuk u mean whore

[wraith mantle]

i think its cool that davy's have knowledge of the true history of their ancestry

[sage temple]

[royal orchid]

he was the self appointed bringer of davy's promise

[olive sigil]

This is the printed version you bring along on the field

[lofty fern]

I've seen some reviewers talk about it. It basically means "Getoutahere..." Like the person you're listening to you don't believe

[runic dock]

Wumbi Tahaza type shit

You know it was written on Jimi Hendrix and nobody ever knew what it meant

[digital spear]

Its the abyssal covenant

[urban lodge]

He just feels like a very convenient character in every way if that makes sense

[strong wadi]

When the D clan actually acts like the D clan

[royal orchid]

luffy is a very convenient character

[prisma yacht]

LMAOO

[hazy turret]

[lofty fern]

It complements the words on the shirt the guy talking is saying

[frozen aspen]

ppl are just sick of oda dickriding him that hard

[runic dock]

I hope he dick rides him harder personally

[somber flare]

Shanks wins again cry about it bud

[wraith mantle]

the payoff of shanks glaze is the eventual bb upscale

[dense rapids]

Joy Boy va has humor

[olive sigil]

Are you talking about metapelites?

[distant vine]

I dont dislike Rocks but I do think there's an issue with him that doesnt exist with Shanks

[strong wadi]

This is literally just Luffy

[tranquil blade]

what does this mean

[urban lodge]

No?

[hazy turret]

Hard enough to rip it off atp

[frozen aspen]

boring

🥱

[muted hedge]

i don't see why people doubt in Shanks importance

[somber flare]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-shanks-gif-22177715

[runic dock]

Rip it off then

[warm sierra]

Its crazy how much people were glazing fisher tiger

[runic dock]

Do it

[wraith mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/kendrick-kendrick-lamar-c-walk-kendrick-c-walk-skip-gif-14132102419655206296

[urban lodge]

Luffy doesn't know the entire history of the world and is strong enough to walk into god's room after killing an admiral and just leaving and having basically every strong pirate who ever lived working under him except Roger

[strong wadi]

Luffy’s entire existence is a convenience explained as “fate”

[runic dock]

Is this meant to be ironic?

[lofty fern]

No?

[runic dock]

It looks like a meme

[stone terrace]

perfect? no

it can work though

[runic dock]

It’s clearly not perfect but it’ll probably happen lmao

[muted hedge]

it's obviously being set up in my opinion

[stone terrace]

both need therapy

[strong wadi]

At least xebec’s existence is easily explained as “D knowledge being passed down” so Oda hyping up the D clan as CD’s mortal enemies actually makes sense for once

[dense rapids]

We not pushing that

[frozen aspen]

its not that we doubt it but Oda is doing abit too much. Letting everyone know that he is super duper special and everyone and their mothers knows him personally and glazes him . It just gets to a point u know

[dense rapids]

Mato clears

[prisma yacht]

It's a good couple I ship

[hazy turret]

Loki is a walking red flag

[runic dock]

Ideally I’d like the ages to be a bit closer

[prisma yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/kick-yeet-gtfo-kick-cliff-push-cliff-gif-9944415665032080774

[runic dock]

But what can you do

[digital spear]

Finally ... I can feel it ... I am vindicated .........

[frozen aspen]

damn good thing i like red

[somber flare]

Nah he’s cool

Tsundere

[tidal ice]

🗣️ thats my goat

[lofty fern]

Oda is doing it for us

[hazy turret]

Bro…

[olive sigil]

Her mom when she saw Loki for the first time

[lofty fern]

I don't think he even sees her

[dense rapids]

We not putting Loki in the same category as Sanji

[somber flare]

He’s gonna stop whatever’s happening at fishman island

[prisma yacht]

Observation haki

[digital spear]

So is Shirahoshi. Pet abuse is a big red flag and look at what she did to Megalo

[runic dock]

This fandom is cooking itself

[prisma yacht]

😭😭

[runic dock]

And Oda is the seasoner

[digital spear]

"She is a red flag but I am a bull"

[olive sigil]

Mate I can’t find

[digital spear]

What

[olive sigil]

What’s a metsphyllite

[long basin]

CONFIRMED!

[muted hedge]

i suppose i see your point, but i think it was evident since chapter 1 pretty much what role Shanks had and how he'd be going forwards, he is the idealogy of Luffy incarnate he is the golden-boy by all means and i think he was always meant to be that but i can understand why that special attention focused on him irks some people, then again i think that a lot of other characters have had the same sort of treatment lately

[lofty fern]

You weren't the first, but we'll give you a bit of credit

[digital spear]

Its on what you sent

[digital spear]

I was the second after Thighbreaker

[long basin]

okay now it's really confirmed

[olive sigil]

That’s metapelite

[vestal mural]

It would be something like “(you) damn boaster”

ホラ吹き (horafuki) = boaster/braggart
め (me) is just a sentence ender/suffix that means “you damn….” Or “you little…”

[digital spear]

Well I cant read

[lofty fern]

Someone was matching Shira and Loki all the way back in 2020, so it's been around for a while

[royal orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/mcmahon-crying-he-was-special-wwe-vince-mcmahon-gif-13313547165599993551

I don't ship it chat

[stone tulip]

This is exactly what I had been asking for long time and interesting differences between Shirahoshi and Mosa, @ashen perch @runic dock thoughts ?

[frozen aspen]

yeah especially since we are in a loki flashback. But tbf the attention we got on character like the kuja and rocks also irked me a little. Just feels a little annoying to start a flashback and diverge to a million other characters all of a sudden

[digital spear]

Oda writing his micro aggressions on his characters

[digital spear]

Wtf I need to find out who that person is

[stone terrace]

yap yap can we skip to shanks one shotting loki

[digital spear]

Do you know?

[muted hedge]

yeah, i think Oda is a bit afraid of being able to fit everything so he tries his best to shove some pieces here and there at this point

[hazy turret]

She’s literally a minor

[digital spear]

Yeah another huge red flag

[prisma yacht]

She's big

[hazy turret]

So we back in the mines

[lofty fern]

#manga message

[frozen aspen]

its like he is rushing through at aome points and then slowing fown on others

[somber flare]

It’ll take a few years anyway

[runic dock]

Can you repost the link my phone is glitching

[digital spear]

Swinging the axe from side to side

[prisma yacht]

What the

[stone terrace]

actually the age of c-

[hazy echo]

https://x.com/noburuart/status/1995171322113225171?s=46

NOBURU (Previously JaralloArt) (@NoburuArt)

ONE PIECE VOLUME 114 COVER CONCEPT

#今週のワンピ #ONEPIECE

X · Nov 30, 2025, 4:41 PM

[wraith mantle]

LETS GOOOOOOOO

[runic dock]

Not enough luffy

[vestal mural]

Dude there was this one panel from dressrosa where a random dude had a shirt with English letters on it that spelled smth in Japanese. It said “there’s a kid with a sharp head next to me”. And there was literally a little kid with a literal pencil head next to him lmao. Juba pinged me with it years ago asking if it meant anything

[somber flare]

We already have a giant sanji

[frigid gulch]

It’s a concept bro

[digital spear]

Zephyr...

[pseudo gulch]

I thought this was real for a moment lol

[muted hedge]

yeah though that's required i say, some parts are more important at the end of the day

[hazy echo]

Idk if we’d get Luffy next cover ngl

[stone tulip]

To be fair Shanks himself was always sidelined throughout the story and how we barely knew anything about him until final saga which something Oda had planned purposely to do that so now we are nearing the climax makes sense why we are focusing On Shanks for every arc since end of Wano and onward

[wraith mantle]

no baby shanks

[hazy echo]

Like the Oden one made sense because of the Roger ties and what not

[frozen aspen]

that does look really good

[stone terrace]

wait did rocks have a gun

[lofty fern]

I think she can just speak differently with Loki than she does anyone else

[muted hedge]

i agree

[hazy echo]

But Luffy’s completely disconnected from this flashback

[pseudo gulch]

Luffy doesn't care if you call him a bitch, he cares if you call someone he likes a bitch

[runic dock]

Yeah this was my entire argument before

[stone tulip]

@runic dock

[pine ridge]

a braggart? like a man that brags? a bragman if you will. now if there was a whole group of these bragmen...

[pseudo gulch]

My goat looks out for the people he loved

[runic dock]

Gotcha

[frigid gulch]

Why would Luffy be on the cover

[runic dock]

It’s exactly why I don’t buy it

[stone terrace]

cuz oda has issues

[tough dust]

it ain't real lol

[frigid gulch]

Did he add him in the Oden flashback ?

[stone terrace]

yes

[dense rapids]

I’m a believer of Mosa being Shirahoshi but usually the dialect stuff ends up being true

[stone tulip]

It’s Oda, he will find a way to insert him, but then again not the first time we got covers that excluded him

[frigid gulch]

Damn

[sage temple]

https://tenor.com/view/gumball-caveman-stupid-mango-gif-17657901353026407470

[frigid gulch]

Welp

[runic dock]

I could believe they’ll end up together somehow but mosa might be a sort of middle man

[vestal mural]

@winter oasis remember this lmao? Can’t believe it was 5 years ago

[dull zenith]

Red wristbands? Ruined. He looks like a clown.

[vestal mural]

Yea I have no idea what oda meant here lmao

[dull zenith]

Oda does the color scheme wrong again

[urban lodge]

Luffy right in the center, Rocks below him, Rocks pirates around them, Roger and Garp above them

[muted hedge]

it's not Oda who made that

[fallen meteor]

Like a what?!

[stone tulip]

That’s exactly how people ended up outing Stussy as the one who called Vegapunk and even how Shanks had a twin brother (Shamrock) by looking at the Gorosei meeting scene.

[fallen meteor]

[stone tulip]

The speech pattern is always a good indicator on who the fuck that person is

[runic dock]

Speech patterns are everything

[dull zenith]

Fuck I actually thought that was official

[sage temple]

Once we get to the present

[dense rapids]

So if it isn’t Shirahoshi

Who is it

[digital spear]

Lmao amazing what goes through Odas mind

[frigid gulch]

Wristband is red

[hazy echo]

The next volume cover might be like the WCI one

[lofty fern]

Is this official?

[muted hedge]

that's more orange to me

[stone terrace]

i think oda pulling the "mosamosa" thing twice and it not being the case would be really shitty writing

[runic dock]

No

[stone terrace]

like you get to do that once pal

[frigid gulch]

We only have the jump cover

[stone tulip]

New character at this point

[stone tulip]

Exactly and it’s deadass what I had been asking for too

[hazy echo]

That is def red

[digital spear]

Luffy would KILL Zoro if he called Shanks a bitch

[runic dock]

You don’t get to really call that shitty writing , you’re just personally not liking being jerked around , but red herrings have always existed , and it’s not obvious if people are noticing obvious speech differences

[muted hedge]

still looks orange to me

[lofty fern]

Not all the time. Shanks completely changed his speech patterns this chapter, so it's not like that's something set in stone

[urban lodge]

!shanks2

[tropic nova]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1212095298609094727/1385389375621435564/1385388957809905674remix-1750372965141.png?ex=6855e3e6&is=68549266&hm=cdd84ef0f567684daeb2c140dd63c2ee7c8f17dcabc17dec3e03b9a53a64140f&

[frigid gulch]

W Zoro

[sage temple]

Loki pushes Shanks to extreme diff

It is written

[stone tulip]

Proof that he changed his pattern ?

[dense rapids]

Red hair pirates jumped Loki

[muted hedge]

https://x.com/KentaroPJJ/status/1995193142350676473

James Valle @ Galaxycon Colombus (@KentaroPJJ)

#ONEPIECE1167 #ONEPIECE
#今週のワンピ
#ワンピース

X · Nov 30, 2025, 6:08 PM

[sage temple]

They needed to jump him because Shanks couldn't do it himself

[stone terrace]

Both roger and harald made the same random ass connection

[stone tulip]

You all are gonna use that with the Shanks rat agenda huh 😭

[lofty fern]

People can change those

[prisma yacht]

Pink just support the ship
It's a cool ship anyways

[dense rapids]

Just like all of the giants had to come together to subdue him in Elbaph

[vestal mural]

This is the panel lmao. Can’t believe I deciphered that lol

[sage temple]

[stone tulip]

What ship ?

[muted hedge]

Shanks going against Loki will probably end up being another scenario like Shanks against Kid

[prisma yacht]

Loki shira

[sage temple]

Wow Harald has the Barto tattoo

[runic dock]

That’s regardless if the fact their speech patterns are different , if you accept massive character shift then you’re the one enjoying shitty writing

[sage temple]

https://tenor.com/view/gumball-caveman-stupid-mango-gif-17657901353026407470

[lofty fern]

It's 99% her for now. I thnk Oda has had too many clues in that direction at this point

[sage temple]

"Probably" and then says the most unsupported improbable thing oat

Pipe down

[dense rapids]

Yea I think it’s her just saying if the dialect thing is correct

[stone tulip]

Fuck no, it’s one thing to possibly accept Mosa being Shirahoshi but I will never ship these two even if it’s canon for the same reason why I don’t ship Sanji and Pudding

[digital spear]

Does the shirt change or did this guy just happened to have a shirt that said this and it became true in this exact moment

[muted hedge]

i am sincere, i think that Shanks will deal with Loki relatively easily

[dense rapids]

We shipping LokiMota

[prisma yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/no-shake-hands-congrats-wwe-john-cena-gif-14109754

[dense rapids]

Loki will not be next to Sanji

[muted hedge]

Loki is still a powerhouse by all means, but i do think that Oda won't cut down on the Shanks glaze

[sage temple]

Yeah but it's baseless at the end of the day

[vestal mural]

His shirt can tell the future

[digital spear]

Yeah under him

[thick mango]

Well we know shanks won. Best loki can hope for is putting up a good fight. But even that won't give him back the years he spent chained to a tree as a result

[lofty fern]

His entire style changed. He's no longer speaking casually, but very respectfully and properly. You can change your style in certain situations

[dense rapids]

He trained

[frozen aspen]

loki better

[muted hedge]

i mean we know that Loki lost at the end of it

[dense rapids]

He’s gonna be stronger than he was 6 years ago

[sage temple]

Yeah that says nothing about how hard it took Shanks to do so

[thick mango]

He trained while chained to a tree?

[lofty fern]

No pink hair, so it's not happening

[runic dock]

Can you back that up with the Japanese texts

[stone tulip]

Regardless on what diff it is, obviously Shanks won the fight, I am more curious on the circumstances and why Shanks ended up sending Loki back to Elbaf and being chained up let alone why Loki called him coward

[dense rapids]

Meditation

[sage temple]

You don't need to move for durability training

Use your brains people

[digital spear]

What? Who? Both have pink hair. And why is that a requirement anyway

Wait Mota?

[dense rapids]

Loki is gonna be unleashed and random giant will say…

“Is he even stronger than he was 6 years ago”

[stone tulip]

Meditation then

[stone terrace]

mental training or whatever its called

[sage temple]

Meditation and durability training

[muted hedge]

i think that Loki calling Shanks a 'coward' was probably more so because he is salty that he lost and needed an insult to define his anger for Shanks. the reason why he was spared is probably because Shanks took pity on Harald and didn't want to execute one of his beloved sons who are meant to be the future of Elbaph

[sage temple]

Haki has a lot to do with the mind as well doesn't it

[stone tulip]

Yeah I guess

[tidal ice]

this is too real

[thick mango]

Yeah I'm sure loki is the strongest person in the series, luffy isn't even that important it's gonna be loki that wins the final battle and everyone will clap and say how cool and strong loki is.
That's what you wanna hear right?

[lofty fern]

You'd have to ask someone like Meek about that, however you can tell even from the English. Even Dawn and Dusk do say that Shanks can change his pattern in certain circumstances

[sage temple]

Okay then

[dense rapids]

Loki been perfecting his craft while in seastone chains for 6 years

[somber flare]

They probably won’t considering 6 years is like nothing to a giant

[sage temple]

Why does Loki not being as weak as an ant translate to him being the strongest in the series

[runic dock]

English isn’t enough , we’re trying to compare the original Japanese d Raws

[stone tulip]

Or maybe Loki called him that cause Shanks refused to kill him and how this is related to Elbaf warrior pride of dying in battle I suppose

[somber flare]

Probably felt like a few months ago to them

[lofty fern]

Yes, Buggy is supporting Mota for some reason

[sage temple]

Time goes by slower if you're in chains

[muted hedge]

that could be, yeah

[wet condor]

Yeah

[digital spear]

Oh its Mato

@dense rapids

[dense rapids]

Huh

[wet condor]

If Loki isn't malnourished, he probably also just grew

[stone tulip]

Yeah we need a genuine proof that happened in the actual story man

[sage temple]

If Shanks beat him fairly, Loki would probably respect him and wouldn't have much cowardice to say about him

[wet condor]

Shanks chained him up 6 years ago? In giant time that corresponds to two years of growth. He was 19 now he's 21. Men do some growing in those years

[tough igloo]

Loki said he was just kidding when he called Shanks a coward .. he only did it to get under Luffy skin

[dull zenith]

How long has Loki been talking to Shaggy/Mosa

[hazy turret]

Damn….she is UGLY

[stone terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/tony-stark-iron-man-stark-industries-age-of-ultron-gif-19489613

[wet condor]

I took it as shit talk, yeah. He probably also thinks Shanks is soft for sparing him

[sage temple]

Unless he only said he was kidding to stop Luffy from throwing a tantrum

[sage temple]

Nobody knows

[sage temple]

3D2Y

[stone tulip]

Maybe but Loki does dislike Shanks so maybe there is some truth to that

[dense rapids]

A true Loki fan will push LokiMota

[tough igloo]

once Loki heard Luffy talking about Shanks while ignoring him , he was like bet ima call him a coward then to get your attention

[stone tulip]

Like Buggy level of hating here

[sage temple]

Ngl Loki's time chained in the underworld parallels Luffy's time in training for 2 years

[dull zenith]

Cuz if it’s been for 6 years now then Shirahoshi would’ve been talking to him since she was 10

[lofty fern]

They barely talk? And she can't be Mosa

[sage temple]

"this takes me back"

[dull zenith]

Kind of odd since Shirahoshi was basically socially inept for years

[dense rapids]

Who said she was mosa?

[stone tulip]

Unknown, could be years, or even just simply months, Loki only stated they had been friends for long time

[wet condor]

My g, that man is chained to a tree

[somber flare]

If Loki ends up with Mato then I guess liking ugly girls runs in the family

[grand flower]

all the weird kids end up friends

@stone tulip hi

[dense rapids]

We don’t need the Sanji allegations on this side

[sage temple]

It's not impossible for him to still train

Loki could've trained his mentality & durability

[stone tulip]

Yo

[digital spear]

6 years for a giant is 2 years

[hazy turret]

Ay nahhhh

[stone tulip]

@grand flower did you see that ? https://twitter.com/dawnstussy/status/1995149073687744581?s=61&t=KNu739JA8oHG8fbimxQTgg

Stussy Sama - Dawn&Dusk (@DawnStussy)

【Lost in Translation by a Native Japanese Speaker】

Most people seem to think “Mosa” is actually Shirahoshi, but from a native-Japanese perspective, There’s one thing that stands out to me — the way the two of them speak.

Shirahoshi often ends her sentences with very formal

X · Nov 30, 2025, 3:13 PM

[sage temple]

Yeah which is why I said it parallels it

[ashen perch]

it'd be funny if the time thing is simply resolved via Time DIlation

[lofty fern]

He would have been a teen so...

[sage temple]

Maybe

[vestal mural]

You’re beyond saving my man

[digital spear]

I know but I feel like people didnt understand you

[ashen perch]

also I have seen the post, I dont think it matters

[stone tulip]

Loki would have been 21 years in human age actually

[grand flower]

@stone tulip luffy and joy boy share a va

[dull zenith]

On this case it would’ve been like

A Tumblr user being friends with 4chan’s greatest warrior

[stone tulip]

Was about to share that too

Definitely intentional

[dull zenith]

I do not think Shirahoshi could emotionally handle being Loki’s friend

[dense rapids]

Joy Ball is Luffy after he gets stuck in the past

[sage temple]

Oh glad you understood at least

[somber flare]

6 years ago he would’ve been 19

[vestal mural]

It actually really matters since shira’s speech tone is a major major part of her character

[runic dock]

I just find it a more interesting mystery this way as well and it’s a mystery where Oda doesn’t have to stick to the traitor trope again lol

[sage temple]

I'm not saying they do the exact same thing

[grand flower]

what you arguing gang

[digital spear]

Could it be that her speech pattern changes when talking to Loki

[alpine trench]

one thing i noticed just now from the chapter, shanks' attire as a holy knight is so closed off compared to his current outfits and demeanor, he's so guarded and closed off in this part of his life, meanwhile shamrock has his shirt open and feels more casual and confident contrasted with his current clothing, closed off and uptight

[blazing mantle]

Strong world

[grand flower]

you know wtf going on

[ashen perch]

Shirahoshi has been trying to be more confident in how she acts, she declared that she wont be Yowahoshi anymore. Her current way of talking with Loki doesn't really matter, because we saw her mention that while she was terrified of him at first, she got more comfortable recently as she got to know him better.

[sage temple]

I'm just saying some things of Loki's imprisonment parallels Luffy's 3d2y

[runic dock]

Ehh

[trim lily]

oh wow the viz translation actually went for abyssal instead of deep deep

[distant vine]

Shanks glaze for the day

[tidal ice]

ah the classic authoritative native japanese perspective

[grand flower]

that's pretty good

[sage temple]

I'm not arguing anything CrimsonFucker just takes everything I say to the extreme

[somber flare]

Being a Shanks fan is so easy

[ashen perch]

again, a minor point of contention at best, that Oda can easily explain away

[pine ridge]

what actually happened

[runic dock]

Sticking to consistency I see

[dense rapids]

She’s trustworthy

[somber flare]

All you have to do is wait

[tough igloo]

lmao this twitter translation is hilarious cause TCB translation never said this at all 🤣 but it’s shanks fans so i understand

[sage temple]

Unrelated but look at my creation 🥹

[thick mango]

It's just blaring obvious hints like using the exact same nickname that has been used for no one else should be weighed above subjective analysis like digging into tone/speech patterns

[somber flare]

He’s already too much for the gorosei to handle

Every emperor is

[ashen perch]

its literally just some guy writing this based on the little piece of dialogue in Jaya, people have got to stop putting so much stock in additional material

[tough igloo]

lmao

[pulsar timber]

Eating so good

[vestal mural]

I really really really doubt that. It’s such a stretch. Unless oda is gonna pull a she only feels good and comfortable around Loki, her love

[vestal mural]

That’s more of a luffy moment than anything

[sage temple]

Okay whatever dawg

[ashen perch]

this, every counterargument thats been pointed out is just so minor in comparison to this evidence that it truly doesnt matter at all. Anything that can be explained away easily is not a real issue.

[thick mango]

Are we supposed to take shaggy as a red herring and analysis of speech patterns as the true evidence?

[sage temple]

It just isn't that important

[pulsar path]

Lol so let me see if my earth science class comes into help. Is this describing the hardness and density of the rocks? I was about to say it looks like a zatch bell book tho 😂

[muted hedge]

it's also curious that Shamrocks present outfit seems to have become more like the one Shanks wore back then

[digital spear]

Okay then. Thats okay. I can handle this.

[prisma yacht]

Their swords are also switched

[muted hedge]

what do you mean?

[dense rapids]

We shall find out May 2026

[prisma yacht]

Wait

[dense rapids]

They switched swords

[ashen perch]

could take longer

[muted hedge]

they didn't switch swords?

[vestal mural]

Why do you want it to be her so bad

[alpine trench]

yes exactly

[dense rapids]

I think he’s about to send the evidence

[grand flower]

what do you make of this

[ashen perch]

oh you mean the anime, I mean the anime will probably filter Mosa's voice, I doubt they will just straight up use Shirahoshi's voice lmao

[dense rapids]

This too

[grand flower]

you said this about joy boy

[dense rapids]

May 2026 manga

[ashen perch]

I know but I really doubt it in this case

[thick mango]

I don't really care who shaggy/mosa I just see the evidence that oda put in front of my eyes.

[grand flower]

luffy and joy boy share a va now

[ashen perch]

no they dont

[tidal ice]

your username.. can you elaborate on where that thought is headed

[grand flower]

yes they do

[ashen perch]

no they dont

[grand flower]

the woman that played joy boy in this episode has played luffy

[dense rapids]

They do

[grand flower]

the characters share a va

[lofty fern]

I don't think Oda would have even bothered to show the scene with Harald and Neptune talking about the betrothal of their kids and talking about her being Shaggy if it didn't mean anything. He had that scene there for a reason

[vestal mural]

Arsal. Why do you think it’s shira? Like what’s the end point of it

[ashen perch]

she has played Luffy in a different adaptation, it doesnt matter

[grand flower]

you already know wtf going on

[digital spear]

Well I just wanted to do a joke with my name

I think Shirahoshi will be connected to Elbaf because of Noah, Galleyla and Loki reasons, and I really like the idea that "Mosa" comes from Roger and Harald calling her shaggy

[grand flower]

notice how she's being coy about the role she played when it's LUFFY?

[sage temple]

Why does it matter

[dense rapids]

Joy boy is Luffy from the future

[lofty fern]

Shanks sometimes has a sword design that looks a lot like Shamrocks and sometime like the one we see him have in this chapter The hilts are slightly different

[grand flower]

talk to em

[ashen perch]

yeah for sure

[willow pollen]

Joyboy is a girl??? 😭😭😭😭😭

[thick mango]

Cause a unique nickname hasn't referred to anyone else. And it established a connection between the two characters too.
This would be like if a man marked by flames got introduced but no it actually wasn't that man marked by flames I'm a different one

[dull zenith]

Loki is normally someone that takes a monumental amount of work to actually be friends with. I’m not sure if Shirahoshi is ready for it yet, especially in the span of a few months

[grand flower]

sounds like an aged luffy

[vestal mural]

Honestly, the only way I can see this working is if caribou told bb about her and they’re attacking fmi rn. Hence the “i won’t be able to talk to you for a while”. Otherwise I don’t see how this works

[dense rapids]

This

[grand flower]

schizophrenic? naw. dialed in.

[alpine trench]

loki calls mosa a lifelong friend

[lofty fern]

Luffy is always played by a woman except sometimes in English

[dense rapids]

Before the Va reveal you could even hear Luffy in the tone

[olive sigil]

It’s the seismic velocities of rocks at different pressures. The guy genuinely took rock samples applied pressure and checked how it affected its velocity and did it for thousands of rocks for this book. What’s a zatch bell? Is it related to sunbell and barbell?

[digital spear]

Yes thats part of it I think BB is raiding FMI

[vestal mural]

We’d also have to assume the long distance transponder snail is the same one Harald was given

[muted hedge]

could you show an image on what you mean

[vestal mural]

Honestly man. I’m willing to bet a 3 month name change that it isn’t shirahoshi

[prisma yacht]

Ok they don't switch swords

[lofty fern]

#also-manga message

[pulsar path]

Ahh okay so I mean I wasn't super off I guess haha and zatch bell is a manga/ anime lmao I used to watch it on cartoon Network and my good friend and rival goro recommended it me even tho he has horrible Naruto takes 😂

[ashen perch]

Well it connects to multiple things. It means Shirahoshi and Loki are the two sovereigns that are prophecised to meet each other, means that BB is attacking FMI which connects to my idea of a confrontation with him being imminent, then the seakings that work for Poseidon/Shirahoshi are looking for a specific group of shipwrights, that may be Galley-La, the group that someone like Harald and likely Loki will be leading too. Also I think their dynamic will be real fun. Like there's a lot that comes out of it.

[pulsar path]

Just kidding!

[prisma yacht]

Shanks probably just upgraded his

@muted hedge

[wet condor]

My man described a person who he knows a rival

[muted hedge]

Shanks always had the same sword

[lofty fern]

Why would Oda bother with that scene with Harald and Neptune? It had nothing to do with anything else in the chapter?

[prisma yacht]

Yeah

[wet condor]

Never seen that before lol

[thick mango]

Do you think shiraoshi being called shaggy/mosa is pure misdirection red herring? How are you parsing this new information if it's not affecting the chance shirahoshi is mosa

[dense rapids]

Joy Boy is Luffy from the future with who grew older and got a deeper voice

[olive sigil]

I mean you had 2 completely wrong properties but you tried

[lofty fern]

Notice the two at the bottom are rectangular ended hilts, the one at the top has a rounded hilt like Shamrock

[frigid gulch]

Oda is just inconsistent with the pommel design

[muted hedge]

the defining trait of Shanks sword is the hilt guard going through the hilt onto the other side like a little pin

[formal wagon]

damn december is soon huh

(for reference, egghead ends in december)

[pulsar path]

Lmao I have many rivals! Goro Is one of us here lmao idk know him IRL just tow clafairy

[lofty fern]

Shamrock has that too

[rich hornet]

Really gonna miss egghead

[vestal mural]

I see where yall are coming from, but this all just feels way too obvious. And knowing oda, it has to be a red herring

[muted hedge]

he does?

[thick mango]

I didn't think shirahoshi was mosa last week. I thought it was too soon for bb to be attacking fmi. But then oda put in a panel where shirahoshi was called mosa. So I changed my mind with this new information

[ashen perch]

Oh something I forgot to mention, but I think love is meant to play a big role in Loki's character. I have been thinking about it for a while, but Xebec's last piece of dialogue to Loki truly especially reinforced my belief. He is the the man who gave up on love months into his life, he will find it again with Lola just to lose it once more, and now Shirahoshi is going to fill the hole in his heart once and for all.

[pulsar path]

Yeah I'm I'm a fan a science not a actual scientists sadly I'm more like Saturn im a fan who can say a fancy word or two 😭😂

[distant vine]

Its spiritually factual

[muted hedge]

Shamrock doesn't have the hilt guard going through the hilt, his just extends to the end of the sword

[grand flower]

and the body language

[pulsar path]

But ik nothing!!

[vestal mural]

Do you really think oda would have Loki be talking to mosa then call her mosa and not have it be a red herring?

[rare ivy]

Zoro deserves shusui

[distant vine]

And whats crazy is my winning isnt even over yet

[vestal mural]

It’s more likely that Roger said that joke in reference to some other character

[grand flower]

Also this page with all the narration overlapping on images of luffy @dense rapids

[lofty fern]

Look at Shamrocks and the one Shanks has in Elbaph. Both of them have round ends to the hilts. The one Shanks is wearing in the past has a rectangular end with a little divet in it

[distant vine]

I like Enma more than Shusui

[grand flower]

same

[rich hornet]

Knowing Oda? How many misdirects does even actually use? Especially like this, where he’s not even dangling the red herring, but making it more like a minor clue

[muted hedge]

yeah, i think that's just Oda not remembering each time he draws Shanks hilt to be honest

[frigid gulch]

It’s the same sword

[ashen perch]

I'd say she is already past that phase though, she was already telling Loki in their last conversation that she is comfortable talking with him despite being terrified at first.

[somber flare]

It’s also just better

[muted hedge]

he gets the main feature right

[digital spear]

I dont think it HAS to be, it could just be the soft reveal

[lofty fern]

Maybe, but the main feature is actually those hilt ends, they are very different

[steel stirrup]

@native seal you watch the episode?

[grand flower]

great episode

i've only seen two clips

but luffy and joy boy share a va now

[steel stirrup]

Yea it was

BRUH

[muted hedge]

i think the main feature of Shanks sword is the hilt guard extending through the hilt onto the otherside, the main feature of Shamrocks sword is the hilt guard extending to the end of the sword

[steel stirrup]

I heard Luffy's voice again bro sounded just like Luffy

Shit is beautiful

[grand flower]

you know wtf going on

[ashen perch]

important, he doesn't get it yet, but he will

[steel stirrup]

And G5 Bonney was crazyyyyy

Toei did G5 Bonney hella justice ngl

I loved it

And Emeth coming out to deck Warcury was

[rich hornet]

People in the fandom need to remember that we are the 1% of obsessed readers who comb over the details. Oda isn’t adding in details to throw us off track. He’s sprinkling in stuff for the people who completely forgot about the original shaggy Shirahoshi gag 10+ years ago

[dense rapids]

Joy boy was called the first pirate because he came from a time where he was trying to be pirate king

[lofty fern]

You see what I mean?

[thick mango]

Why is your default assumption this is a red herring and not just evidence. Ignore any other factors that may make you believe it's shirahoshi or not. Just take this panel and the nickname. Why is it not evidence.
When the man marked by flames appears my default assumption isn't gonna be it's a red herring and there's actually some other different man marked by flames

[muted hedge]

yeah it's rounded on some panels and rectangular on others

[olive sigil]

You can always learn

[steel stirrup]

What if bro just wanted to be the first pirate because he wanted to be free

[digital spear]

He said it about Neptunes future daughter tho

[dense rapids]

Like Luffy

[ashen perch]

and I disagree that that means its a red herring, Oda is just planting a seed more blatantly because he can often be heavy handed in how he presents information. Its a story for 15 year old boys after all.

[pulsar path]

That is true it's never too late tbh

[steel stirrup]

And as time goes on to be free the dream has to keep evolving

From Pirate to Pirate King

[lofty fern]

Yes, so it's possible that they are switched. A sword with a round hilt is not the same as the one with a rectangular one.

[ashen perch]

he is not trying to be extra clever with this, he is just straight up letting the reader connect the dots.

[grand flower]

Luffy says his catchphrase and they look at him confused.

"Pirate...King?"

DON! TO BE CONTINUED!

[dense rapids]

Luffy will be sent to the past like how he appeared in the beginning of Wano

[rich hornet]

People are always expecting a 4x twist for some reason

[grand flower]

Like how they woke up in Elbaph

[steel stirrup]

😭😭not time travel

[lofty fern]

It probably is a mistake on Oda's part, though if he wants to bring it up later, the clues would be there

[muted hedge]

i mean yeah, it's possible that Shanks didn't have gryphon at the time we see him on Marijoa, but i don't think that he switched swords with Shamrock at any point

[dense rapids]

No like Wano

[muted hedge]

Gryphon could be on Marijoa and Shanks can maybe steal it when going back to the blue-sea

[prisma yacht]

Waiting for the mosa va to be shira's

[steel stirrup]

So Luffy just keeps getting sent back and dying over and over

[steel stirrup]

Wassup Fro

[prisma yacht]

Yoo richhh

[ashen perch]

all this just for Joyboy to be a red haired man who looked just like Shanks and wore an eyepatch on his left eye....

[pulsar path]

So we still not sold that hoshi is the one talking to Loki ?!?

[long basin]

Luffy is simply a guy who was born with similar beliefs and characteristics as joyboy, no need for traveling back in time

[ashen perch]

Shuron is simply not prepared for this outcome

[steel stirrup]

How u doin?

You watch the episode?

[prisma yacht]

Our boy krome left btw 😔

[steel stirrup]

Wicked

[pulsar timber]

I just heard his voice

[prisma yacht]

Nah not yet

[steel stirrup]

Why

[pulsar timber]

It sounds good

[prisma yacht]

dunnoo

[steel stirrup]

Bro must have gotten a life

[digital spear]

@vestal mural this is what I really want. Shirahoshi being Mosa would be a good way to tie into this. If she isnt, its gonna happen anyway #also-manga message

[prisma yacht]

How u doingg

[dense rapids]

Reverse Mountain will send Luffy to the void century

[lofty fern]

We've seen him have both the rounded and the square sword at different times throughout the manga, and this has been very recent too. He had the square hilt in film red, but the round one when he fought Kid

[pulsar path]

Omg I gotta read wano in color 😍🤩😍🤩😍🤩

[steel stirrup]

Im good just got done jogging and shit

[dense rapids]

“Reverse”

[steel stirrup]

Bouta smoke

Tryna yap about OP

[prisma yacht]

W life

[ashen perch]

yeah I did mention this to him but this is more detailed

[muted hedge]

i think it's just peope misremembering the design of the hilt, but yeah maybe it could be something more but i doubt it right now

[rich hornet]

Even if Joyboy is related to shanks and has red hair, why would he look like shanks? Shanks looks like a figarland

[ashen perch]

the idea all connects to the pieces we are being presented right now about Galley La

[muted hedge]

it's all Gryphon at the end of the day probably

[pulsar timber]

Monkey D joyboy

[dense rapids]

Rat fan cope

[long basin]

Shanks sword has the haki, trust

[dense rapids]

Joy boy gonna look like Luffy

[rich hornet]

Obviously

[vestal mural]

Honestly I can’t say this doesn’t make sense. I just don’t trust how obvious this is. Maybe I’m wrong idk. It just feels way too obvious

[steel stirrup]

I think Toei just ended that theory bruh

His VA is literally Luffy again

[muted hedge]

?

[steel stirrup]

Oops wrong reply

[vestal mural]

Maybe I just have trust issues

[frozen aspen]

Joyboy will look like a Luffy and roger clone if anything

[steel stirrup]

My bad

[muted hedge]

oh

[lofty fern]

I actually doubt it too, though if the twins have been switching, that would be a very interesting clue

[frozen aspen]

not shanks

[pulsar timber]

It’s not Luffy Luffy though

[muted hedge]

no worries

[pulsar timber]

Joyboy isn’t Luffy

[digital spear]

I mean I was the only one who said this back then

[ashen perch]

eh, not how Oda really does things, he is going to look like Shanks if he is related to him

[steel stirrup]

I think Toei just ended that theory bruh

His VA is literally Luffy again

[frozen aspen]

I doubt they can switch that easily

[muted hedge]

yeah it would be interesting to hear the reasoning

[rare ivy]

Fuck Roger

[lofty fern]

A prince and the pauper situation would be cool

[solid stone]

Joyboy is Luffy (from Romance Dawn V1)

[steel stirrup]

Damn😭😭

[frozen aspen]

bc shanks doesn't have an abyss mark that wouldn't work

[pulsar timber]

Random roger stray

[steel stirrup]

[prisma yacht]

boy what😭

[muted hedge]

Shanks and Shamrock sending their swords to eachother through a abyss-ritual would be kinda cool

[steel stirrup]

On God why Roger catching strays what happened

[digital spear]

Bros stuck in August 2025

[long basin]

Becka!

[ashen perch]

it feels obvious now in hindsight I'd say

[steel stirrup]

Explain the rage😭

[pulsar timber]

Shamrock is gonna be such a great character

[dense rapids]

Joy Boy

[lofty fern]

Eh, he's not a Roger clone, that was Ace lol

[muted hedge]

definitely

[prisma yacht]

Hey ports wassup

[digital spear]

I love how the whole chat reacts to it

[frozen aspen]

I don't think they have any interaction at present

[muted hedge]

i think Oda has big plans for Shamrock

[muted hedge]

yeah they don't

[ashen perch]

just last week we were being ridiculed about the Mosa theory lol, but now we're at a point where it can be said that maybe its a red herring and that it feels too obvious. Its so funny to me

[olive sigil]

There’s plenty of things to learn in earth science. Right now I’m looking at electrical properties and it’s fascinating

[vestal mural]

Honestly the whole shipwright thing does make a lot of sense. But the speech pattern thing also does. Oda is very intentional with his speech choices. I’m going to trust the proven history of that over this being the exception

[steel stirrup]

Imagine we was all talking irl ina coffee shop or somewhere yapping about OP and bro walks in you hear the door ding and then "FUCK ROGER"

😭😭

[frozen aspen]

od a has not been very creative with faces lately I can fully see him drop a joyboy that looks someone between luffy and roger

[prisma yacht]

Lmaooo

[long basin]

yo, how's life

[dense rapids]

People say that about every theory that looks like it’s gonna be true

It’s a cycle

[prisma yacht]

it's cold

Wbuu

[lofty fern]

Scar is easy to fake with make-up, we can do that IRL. The missing arm you can fake if you cut off Sham's arm and then slow down his regen

[steel stirrup]

Mannn

[rich hornet]

Best I can do is red hair Luffy

[muted hedge]

if Shanks and Shamrock are descendants of Joyboy it will definitely be through their mothers side

[olive sigil]

VAIN

[dense rapids]

“Rocks will have blue hair”

“No he won’t”

“Rocks has blue hair”

“It’s a coincidence”

[olive sigil]

VAIN IS HERE

[willow pollen]

Man I read official, it’s a much better experience than tcb… I wish I could switch if not for the delay in its release

[olive sigil]

LET’S GOOOOOO

[steel stirrup]

34 F 11 C here rn

[willow pollen]

Hello sanjuan how are you

[prisma yacht]

Holy

[long basin]

true, I've been heating the apartment for weeks now. apart from that, progress.

[ashen perch]

great reference to Monkey D. Pao

[olive sigil]

Good and you

[dull zenith]

Alright I’ve gone back to reread Shaggy’s dialogues and it does fit a pretty nervous tone

BUT

I do think that Shirahoshi would’ve been more urgent to tell Loki about something happening that they wouldn’t call each other again. Also the fact that it seems to imply they had been friends for a bit longer than before Luffy even arrived in FMI

[dense rapids]

Wait is that a monkey with a straw hat on the bell

Or am I tripping 😭

[olive sigil]

I think both failed me this week

[grand flower]

yup

[steel stirrup]

Shuron and Buggy are cooking rn HOLD ON

[dull zenith]

Also the fact that Loki just had a den den mushi lying around

[ashen perch]

tbf the dendenmushi thing needs to be explained no matter who it is

[lofty fern]

He and Law must be related! Both have that dark blue hair!

[steel stirrup]

Bruh

[willow pollen]

What den den mushi thing

[dense rapids]

Why I never noticed this

[digital spear]

Yeah its enough for me that Loki and Shirahoshi are connected

[ashen perch]

how Loki just has a dendenmushi lying near him with the number of this Mosa figure

[steel stirrup]

On god you been looking in the wrong place

[long basin]

Mosa said there was trouble, no? maybe due to the trouble she couldn't call. maybe they were hiding

[steel stirrup]

Its all in Skypiea

[prisma yacht]

waiting for the next chap lol

[steel stirrup]

Gotta start there bruh

[long basin]

hints tomorrow, no?

[dull zenith]

Could be

[willow pollen]

Loki has his underlings, they probably set it up for him. They probably started chatting a lot longer before Loki was captured it was probably set up by his father but Loki doesn’t know her identity

[prisma yacht]

Yeah probably

[steel stirrup]

No break?

[lofty fern]

I think maybe his dad gave it to him from Neptune? Because Shira had to get one as well

[steel stirrup]

Lets gooo

[prisma yacht]

No breakkk🗣️🔥

[dark nymph]

cant wait for next chapter

[long basin]

no break as far as I know

so big cliff hanger next chapter

[steel stirrup]

Yep

Cliff hanger every damn chapter atp

[muted hedge]

what do y'all expect to see next chapter?

[steel stirrup]

But i keep coming back

[frozen aspen]

Uh that's not why I doubt that. If one has the abyss mark and the other doesn't I feel like the HK would feel that also they'd need to have the same signature for this to work

[steel stirrup]

Maybe Ida dying

And Loki crashing out further

And it affecting Harald

[long basin]

a wave of rage baiting memes will travel over the planet. it will be hell on earth

[prisma yacht]

Castle incident starts by the mid or the end of chapter

[pine ridge]

mihawk silhouette

[digital spear]

How the Shanks and Harald situation lead to the castle incident

[steel stirrup]

Making him triple down on this shit

[frozen aspen]

Like they should be able to differiate shanks and shamrock with observation haki

[ashen perch]

yea I think its something that can be explained quite easily, just saying that its not a specific point against Mosahoshi because you'd have to answer that question no matter who it is

[muted hedge]

this is my predictions, probably won't come true but..

[dull zenith]

If Loki had it before they were captured that would’ve been weird, in the sense that an even more socially inept Shirahoshi was talking to Loki in a pretty normal sense

[steel stirrup]

And the castle incident has to be starting soon

[grand flower]

@steel stirrup @dense rapids

[frozen aspen]

u can't just switch them and noone would notice, scar and arm aside

[ashen perch]

as for Loki saying that they have long been friends

[alpine trench]

also, i noticed this detail:

harald loves his sons so much, and never treats them as measures to further his cause, and in contrast to that garling thinks only of his sons in a way that they're weapons and are important to the cause of the holy knights and imu

shanks and shamrock never had maternal love, while loki and hajrudin found that love with ida

[long basin]

Shanks and Harald talking

[frozen aspen]

eh

[alpine trench]

shanks and harald havent had a conversation

[vestal mural]

But they can be connected without her being mosa tho

[alpine trench]

we know that

[long basin]

sounds like the one piece wasn't there yet lol

[frozen aspen]

I was under the assumption they didn't get to talk

[prisma yacht]

Hmm still up with that gryphon theory

[digital spear]

Thats what im saying

[frozen aspen]

which is why shanks wnet to elbaf

[steel stirrup]

I wanna know how Harald recognizes Shanks

[frozen aspen]

butnit was too late

[grand flower]

naw they saw it

[dense rapids]

“Where did you go Joy Boy”

Back To The Future

[wraith mantle]

shanks wanted to meet harald

[muted hedge]

i feel like it's very possible

[wraith mantle]

i wonder if he wanted to tell him that he aint a racist

[grand flower]

that's why joy boy promised he'd come back

[long basin]

they laughed and cried. an empty spot maybe, everything the world has to offer

[alpine trench]

this happens right as harald is being stabbed

[frozen aspen]

roger was on elbaf and he probably saw him there

[steel stirrup]

You see the episode

[vestal mural]

What? I thought you were so on the train of her being mosa lol. Can I not read?

[long basin]

oh, damn

[wraith mantle]

nope, what did it include?

[ashen perch]

I think they could have been talking for a while atlast, we dont really know how those first conversations between them went. Shirahoshi could have only recently become more comfortable with him.

[alpine trench]

we'll get to know that soon

[steel stirrup]

Interesting. When he navigated the globe?

[ashen perch]

"before its too late" guess he knew huh

[alpine trench]

maybe some encounter off screen sometime ago that we dont know

[wraith mantle]

has to have met him as a roger pirate

[vestal mural]

Arsal let’s bet

[muted hedge]

i think Harald recognizes Shanks simply from Shanks being with the Roger pirates back then when they were a thing

[steel stirrup]

G5 Bonny and Luffy sending Mars blasting off again and Emeth clocking Warcury

[alpine trench]

also this chapter's confirmation that blackbeard visited marijoa

[vestal mural]

2 months

[ashen perch]

wait no

[muted hedge]

and Roger probably visited Elbaph, along with Shanks

[ashen perch]

I dont do bets

[wraith mantle]

all that in one episode is wild

damn

[vestal mural]

Coward

COWARD

[ashen perch]

not that long atleast, I will take a 72h mute

72h mute is okay-ish

[steel stirrup]

Stan says Roger went to Elbaf. I could buy that. He did travel the world at least twice that we know of

[long basin]

once the straw hats leave elbaph, BB is king of the world and Shanks is pirate king. EOS

[ashen perch]

I just have to be away for 3d from the server? splendid actually

[wraith mantle]

whos stan

[frozen aspen]

possibly. That's just my guess though

[muted hedge]

what's your thoughts on who scarred Whitebeard? i feel like it has to be Shamrock at this point

[steel stirrup]

This guy

[muted hedge]

maybe we'll never get the answer, but it's interesting to think about

[vestal mural]

Two week mute

[ashen perch]

too long smh

[dark nymph]

does shirahoshi and loki fan art exist yet

[prisma yacht]

Do a nickname one

[vestal mural]

Arsal there has to be smth at stake here

[ashen perch]

dont think so

[steel stirrup]

Socrates would probably have it by now

[ashen perch]

3 days mute!! thats a lot to most people

[vestal mural]

Ok one month name change

[thick mango]

I'll take a month mute bet with you over shirahoshi mosa

[undone sundial]

I wonder how the giants doesn't know more about the world government since they live for so long and aren't ruled by them

[prisma yacht]

I believe we will be starting the next chap with that harald shanks convo

[alpine trench]

honestly cant say, shamrock doing that is kinda not plausible to me in my eyes but i also dont care about that detail much

[ashen perch]

okay Mip how about a week

[rare ivy]

Lodestar fit

[vestal mural]

I’m genuinely down for it

[ashen perch]

a week long mute

[dull zenith]

This shit should be an events bet in #events fr

[dark nymph]

true he would hav eposted that shit if it existed smh

[dull zenith]

Mods make it an events bet

[ashen perch]

I can take a week, its fine

[vestal mural]

10 days arsal

[ashen perch]

nah nah no more than 7d

[prisma yacht]

A week mute and 10 days nickname

[muted hedge]

understandable, i just think it would be a nice contrast if Shanks was scarred by Blackbeard and Shamrock scarred Whitebeard if Oda continues with the twins actions mirroring eachother

[long basin]

stop betting with mute time, you are gambling addicts!

[steel stirrup]

Just wait til hes online if there is some you'll see it lmao

[digital spear]

I said the thing what I posted about Noah and Seakings is what I really want and Shirahoshi being Mosa is an opportunity of tying Shirahoshi to Elbaf, if she isnt Mosa thats gonna happen anyway. What the seakings said, the Noah, Galleyla, and Neptune & Harald being friends and actually want their children to marry isnt gonna go away

[alpine trench]

you havent seen the worst of it

[vestal mural]

You just gave me and idea. 1 week mute and 2 week name change. Wdyt arsal

[dark nymph]

whats the bet? shirahoshi mosa?

[vestal mural]

Say yes bitch

[prisma yacht]

Come on arsal

[ashen perch]

just 1 week mute is fine, I dont like name changes

[prisma yacht]

Meek

Lol

[stone tulip]

Yeah literally hammers down the whole Luffy being next Joyboy even in meta sense

[alpine trench]

worse, fronsen

[steel stirrup]

😭😭

[thick mango]

Are you sure you don't wanna reread 1167? Kinda feels like I'm taking advantage of a moral hazard here

[ashen perch]

its embarassing to walk around as #1 FEET LOVER in chat for 2 whole weeks

[lofty fern]

I think they do say that by the time Shanks and Gaban got there, Harald was already dead

[prisma yacht]

Arsal the wise nerd

@vestal mural how's this

[alpine trench]

yep!

[prisma yacht]

ohh lol

[dark nymph]

name changes are funnier than mutes smh

[vestal mural]

But I wanna see you be “robin toe sucker for breakfast” for two weeks

[steel stirrup]

Lie again

https://tenor.com/view/dale-walking-dead-i-know-what-kind-of-man-you-are-gif-3136629546574604277

[stone tulip]

I mean this would kinda make sense if they talked in post FMI but before that ? Idk

[prisma yacht]

Lmaooo

[tranquil blade]

It doesnt have to be embarrasing tho

[digital spear]

There was someone who bet everything on Tama joining the strawhat ... You dont see that user around anymore because ... well ....

[steel stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/sonfys-gif-2540652325955471116

[vestal mural]

Come on arsal

Don’t be a killjoy

[dull zenith]

You just have to win

[ashen perch]

pink the issue with that is that we havent seen their pre FMI conversations, but what we have seen is Mosa acknowledge that they were initially terrified of Loki

[dull zenith]

Then you won’t have to be named feet lover

It’s that easy

[ashen perch]

true...

[prisma yacht]

Yc changed his nickname 💔

[ashen perch]

okay 1w mute and 1w name change, how about that mip

[muted hedge]

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FixupX · Nov 27, 2025, 11:40 AM

[ashen perch]

you come back from a mute week and you get hit with that name change for a whole week

[prisma yacht]

W bet

[stone tulip]

Sure but the problem is that Shirahoshi stated she never been yelled by someone before and how the only person who she talked to at the time was her Shark friend so that’s another thing to consider too

[vestal mural]

Oli right ? Lmfao

[alpine trench]

next chapter we might get to the actual event of harald's death

and then the chapter after that perhaps the conclusion

[digital spear]

Yes

[ashen perch]

at this pace probably yeah but I am hoping Oda slows down

[prisma yacht]

I believe by the end of it

[alpine trench]

2 chapters more seems legible

[muted hedge]

i expect at least 4 chapters more

[vestal mural]

Bro just make it a two week name change. 1 extra week ain’t that bad. I like having stakes

[tranquil blade]

I think Loki will be called to go to the castle by the end of next chapter and then the chapter after that is the castle incident

[steel stirrup]

So this is now the longest flashback right?

[digital spear]

The bet already hit me. Its over

[dull zenith]

Ngl I’d want to lose if I were you

[alpine trench]

we already saw the calling part

[dull zenith]

Who tf calls themselves CrimsonFucker

[alpine trench]

one or two panels should be fine there

[dark nymph]

this section of the flashback is getting good but I also want us to wrap it up ngl

[alpine trench]

but there's also the shanks stuff

[steel stirrup]

This has gone past the Oden Flashback hasnt it?

This should be the longest flashback so far

[alpine trench]

with this chapter

yeah

[ashen perch]

I just think this all can be explained away by Oda

[steel stirrup]

Crazy

[alpine trench]

16 chapters now

[ashen perch]

okay but I honestly cant come up with a name for you

[steel stirrup]

Yea this is wild

[muted hedge]

it has been a wonderful flashback

[steel stirrup]

I agree

[prisma yacht]

I really want harald to have a legendary death

[dense rapids]

[vestal mural]

Why lmao

[steel stirrup]

I've loved every bit of it ngl

[alpine trench]

i can help

[vestal mural]

Sounds like a skill issue

[alpine trench]

and i'll help mip with names for you

[ashen perch]

okay give me your suggestions when the time is right

[alpine trench]

i'll win either way

[dull zenith]

#also-manga message

[steel stirrup]

Ruh roh

[vestal mural]

Everyone stand witness

[ashen perch]

fine mip, 1 week mute and 2 week namechange

[steel stirrup]

I got u

[alpine trench]

awesome

[ashen perch]

Shirahoshi IS Mosa

[prisma yacht]

Lesgooooo

[steel stirrup]

WAIT

WAITTTT

TJATS THE BET

[lofty fern]

I wonder, did Shanks and Sham even start growing their facial hair at the same time lol

[steel stirrup]

😭

[prisma yacht]

Oh wait Arsal is winning this one

[ashen perch]

easiest win of my life

[undone sundial]

I wonder if Harald showed his blade of god mark to Saul who got buster called

[steel stirrup]

BRUH

[prisma yacht]

Sorry mip

[tranquil blade]

I actually believe Shirahoshi is Mosa but I will not bet

[steel stirrup]

THIS IS TOO EASY

[muted hedge]

Shamrock got his 1 minute earlier

[vestal mural]

If shirahoshi is mosa, arsal wins. If she isn’t, I win. 1 week mute then 2 week name change

[stone terrace]

https://a.storyblok.com/f/178900/640x360/d72d285a6e/1c324de6c28766150b75d075997997061598545112_main.jpg/m/filters:quality(95)format(webp)

[steel stirrup]

NO WAYYYYY😭😭

[dark nymph]

water is wet ahh bet

[prisma yacht]

lolol

[tranquil blade]

I have a bad feeling about this one

[steel stirrup]

BLOOD

[stone terrace]

After 1000+ chapters theres only so many poses lol

[steel stirrup]

THIS IS THE EASIEST MONEY

[ashen perch]

I am picking all the easy bets, its better that way

[steel stirrup]

Bro gave it away

[ashen perch]

like I bet with Socrates that Loki is getting Domi'd

[steel stirrup]

Im trippin on how you found such a sucker

[ashen perch]

another easy W

[vestal mural]

It’s a reference to hellsing abridged lol

[steel stirrup]

Did this lick find you?😭

Goddamn

This is too easy bruh

[frozen aspen]

saw a funny headcanon that it starts curling when it gets too long, so shanks makes sure to keep that shit as short as possible

[steel stirrup]

Mip please

Dont do this

[vestal mural]

Too bad I’m a gambler

Idc if lose

[steel stirrup]

😭

[vestal mural]

It’s about making a point

[muted hedge]

that would be a funny SBS question

[steel stirrup]

Joker ass reply

[ashen perch]

Gonna convince Shuron to bet with me on the Luffy Joyboy thing next, another of the easiest wins of my life

[steel stirrup]

😭

[pine ridge]

the chances of mosahoshi being real just went down dramatically

[steel stirrup]

Shuron got that one

[muted hedge]

they did?

[ashen perch]

LMAO

no he doesnt 😭

[dark nymph]

that shit is drop worthy

[steel stirrup]

Who you think Joyboy looks like

[tranquil blade]

Luffy but with red hair

[prisma yacht]

Luffy isn't joyboy ?

[muted hedge]

a mix of Shanks and Luffy

[ashen perch]

no I mean Shuron's time travel theory

[steel stirrup]

Oh

[vestal mural]

This whole shira thing should be a server wide bet lol

[steel stirrup]

😭

[ashen perch]

that Lufy is literally Joyboy

[lofty fern]

Oh, hey @muted hedge I just realized from the official art, Shamrock has that little notch on his hilt too!

[ashen perch]

that he went back in time

to become Joyboy

[muted hedge]

oh yeah you're right, damn i didn't notice it in the manga lol

[steel stirrup]

Nvm I thought yall was betting on looks alone

[ashen perch]

oh nah

he could look like Luffy, I doubt it though

[steel stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/druski-shrug-idk-iono-hands-up-gif-7122581203490458147

[ashen perch]

he is gonna look like Shanks

[tranquil blade]

Oh they basically have the same sword design

[ashen perch]

but thats not the bet

[pulsar timber]

One of the worst yet most persistent theories out there

[tranquil blade]

No he's gonna look like Luffy but with Shanks's red hair

[lofty fern]

Looking at that shot, their swords look identical

[hazy echo]

Gryphon mythical zoan sword incoming

[urban lodge]

Gryphon is 100% gonna be a real gryphon

[steel stirrup]

Shuron cooking with the time travel theory I like it but idk if its gonna happen tho

[stone terrace]

How oda drew the sheathe pmo lol

Its misaligned

[steel stirrup]

Wym

[hazy echo]

https://tenor.com/view/shanks-one-piece-divine-departure-kamusari-kid-gif-11233119155278399459

Toei foreshadowing

[muted hedge]

yeah, though Shamrocks hilt-guard looks to be slightly smaller and his hilt is pure gold while Shanks is green

[ashen perch]

people have been trying to force Zoro and Ryuma into it too when we know that he fought against the World Nobles and protected Wano, obviously post Void Century

[tranquil blade]

Shanks robbed Imu of his demon gryphon

[urban lodge]

Not just its name, it will actually transform into one like Shamrock's sword into Cerberus

[steel stirrup]

Ohhhh

!cook

[tropic nova]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1211111343852228638/1217510693411229746/cook.png?ex=66044a31&is=65f1d531&hm=fda7fc91afb3dda1c7a90192efda3372e268931d0bcc5db2b97d635b65b260ae&

[hazy echo]

Yea

[muted hedge]

i actually hope that gryphon will turn into a Gryphon