also-manga

[graceful belfry]

Gaban being Burn Scar is eye rollingly convenient

[urban lodge]

It's the fact that he's Roger's left hand man

[dense rapids]

If it ends up being Gaban that just means Laugh Tale is closer than we think

[odd rune]

elbaf being the opposite of what everyone expected at the start felt like oda being a boomer about like "oh yeah weak children makes a weak world" or whatever but i should have had more faith in him

[ashen perch]

Your man is meeting Davy Jones right now and I mean the proverbial one, I'm sure its real boring for him down there

[frigid gulch]

Imagine taking the bait

[brittle basin]

there must be
-burn "scar"
-black ship
-ability, either person or ship, to create whirlpools
am i missing anything?

[odd rune]

robin fans will win eventually

[frigid gulch]

[distant vine]

Ngl, I find this Ida poison thing kinda gimmicky

[ashen perch]

Which is boring

[odd rune]

its inevitable

[dense rapids]

[hazy turret]

Haha you got triggered!!!!

[ashen perch]

We've been promised a whole race for this burn scar man really

[sage temple]

How can Gaban generate whirlpools around his ship

[hazy turret]

Race???

[ashen perch]

It'd be so underwhelming if it was Gaban, I can't see it

[frozen aspen]

its dragon duh

[sage temple]

Lunarian?

[hazy turret]

It’s Saul

It’s SAUL

[distant vine]

Anything will probably be worse than Hanafuda...

[brittle basin]

it's urouge. he needs relevance

[hazy turret]

Isn’t bro dead

[frozen aspen]

bro wants a dead sbs character

[hazy turret]

Dead as hell, even

[distant vine]

Yeah thats the sad part

[brittle basin]

you talking about Kidd?

[hazy turret]

Is it

[graceful belfry]

Anyways, Kid will be the first character to meet Burn Scar in the present timeline and Burn Scar will be an entirely new character

[hazy turret]

Many would be inclined to disagree

[dense rapids]

It’s either Gaban and we’re we’re getting Laugh Tale then Final War

Or it’s someone else and we’re getting Final War then Laugh Tale

[hazy turret]

Wrooong! It’s gonna be shanks

[odd rune]

i do think its likely to be a new character

[ashen perch]

Mysterious guy who no one has been able to find, no one has been able to even get a good glimpse on, because no one has been able to get close to his ship. And some people's brilliant idea for the pay off to this mystery man is Scopper Gaban looking Luffy dead in the eye and saying "I am burn scar and here's the poneglyph, go save the world!"

Like come on

[distant vine]

Hanafuda being the WG's final secret Warlord would have been peak

[hazy turret]

I hope so

[urban lodge]

I need to convert more people into Burn Scar is Bluejam believers

[hazy turret]

Who…is bluejam?

[odd rune]

LMFAO

speedreader

[sage temple]

What if the burn scar is Loki and the "scar" is referring to his eyes

[odd rune]

oml

[distant vine]

Post War Arc antag

[urban lodge]

The pirate from the ASL flashback

[graceful belfry]

Boooring. Shanks already has enough going on. Plus I wouldn’t be surprised if he’d already met him, although I seriously doubt it

[odd rune]

its oooover six sevennnn

[distant vine]

It is an L you dont know rokaya

[hazy turret]

The kidnapper?

[odd rune]

the one that tortured luffy yeah

[hazy turret]

That’s crazy

[urban lodge]

I think that was his underling

But yeah

[hazy turret]

Why would it be that idiot

[ashen perch]

Bluejam is the dude from Gray Terminal, the one who was like the definition of that meme of people being 40 and their opps being 18, or even 8 in this case

[dense rapids]

Gaban got his burn scar from fighting Loki who’s devil fruit can generate flames/explosions

[urban lodge]

He was last seen in the burning grey terminal and was never confirmed to be dead... That was in Dawn island, and when Luffy left Dawn Island he ran into a whirlpool...

[ashen perch]

The one who tortured him was his underling, forgot his name

[frigid gulch]

[hazy turret]

Stop stop stop

[frigid gulch]

Bluejam upscale

[ashen perch]

But that panel of him punching Luffy looked really good, so he left an impression for sure

[odd rune]

i feel like bounty hunters is just a product of oda being "oh yeah wouldnt that be cool and it totally makes sense that people like that exist in one piece" and then it basically never ever happens

[hazy turret]

This shirahoshi/Mosa stuff has everyone thinking their unhinged theories have a shot too

[odd rune]

like i dont remember the last bounty hunters other than like abdullah and jeet I guess but they turned pirated

flying fish riders

[dense rapids]

Gaban burn scar man been a theory since Wano

[ashen perch]

There was the other guy in the same arc too

[hazy turret]

That being said penny

Those are some damn good connections

[ashen perch]

Fuck my memory is actually terrible these days, I'm so washed

[urban lodge]

Hey I've been saying Burn Scar is Bluejam for months now smh

[odd rune]

there just isnt any bounty hunters arsal

like i can remember that mr1 and zoro met because zoro was a bounty hunter

[odd rune]

i can remember shit like that but actual bounty hunters nah

[ashen perch]

There was, the one who collected swords and stuff from the Impel Down escapees

Green guy

[frozen aspen]

We meet the burn scar man and the first thing he does is talk about how cool shanks is

[ashen perch]

Beautiful eyes

[hazy turret]

Cactus guy?

[ashen perch]

Yeah

[odd rune]

idk how i forgot johnny and yosaku

[ashen perch]

Baroque Works is also basically an organization of bounty hunters too, and Cross Guild is Bounty Hunters but for the Marines

[olive sigil]

There are female cows. This guy hates women

[ashen perch]

Pirate Hunter Zoro... How can you forget smh

[frigid gulch]

Jean Ango

[sage temple]

Loki's eyes are the scar linking himself to the hellFIRE serpent which makes his eyes a BURN scar

[ashen perch]

Yeaaaaaa

[odd rune]

look at this guy man. we all wish we could be franky

[ashen perch]

JEAN ANGO, thats the guy

[distant vine]

ASL is kinda underrated. The scene after where he explained to Ace and Sabo he didnt betray them cause he didnt wanna be lonely really enlightened me to his character

[dense rapids]

@ashen perch can you make a opposite of this emote that says false

[ashen perch]

Its a great flashback yeah

[hazy turret]

Her name is big mom, please refer to her as such

[olive sigil]

Jean Ango is That Guy?

[ashen perch]

[sage temple]

It literally makes sense though Loki was at sea for 8 years

[dense rapids]

[sage temple]

That's plenty of time for people to generate myths about him

[olive sigil]

Ok chicken washer

[dense rapids]

[distant vine]

It contextualized to me why he fights so hard for even minor friends

[sage temple]

Just wait for Loki's pitch black ship

You'll see

[ashen perch]

He's also that yeah

[sage temple]

Also Loki's eyes literally glow in a panel

[ashen perch]

Socrates can you live without making everything about Loki

This one has nothing to do with him

[sage temple]

I can't help it

It's Oda

[frozen aspen]

the false emote literally existed for ages

[distant vine]

Burn scar Loki?

[sage temple]

I swear it does

[ashen perch]

This is why Hajrudin is more fun to root for

[sage temple]

Yeah you can root for the losing team idc

[ashen perch]

He's a normal guy, chill guy, not blessed more than the regular giant

[frozen aspen]

u are just doing an elaborate bit at this point

[sage temple]

Loki's eyes can be seen as a scar that's burning as a result of being linked to the hellFIRE serpent

[odd rune]

six seven!

[distant vine]

Maybe Loki killed all the Ancient Giant Elders in that attack and thats why they dont boss around the place today

[sage temple]

This is my theory

I might invest in this theory ngl guys expect to see a microsoft paint png soon

[frozen aspen]

I'm just gonna stop engaging with your theories tbh

[sage temple]

Alright just don't come back to me when they come true

I'm not asking for engagement I'm just theorizing

[vital heart]

Did someone say my name just now?

I felt an aura

[mighty shell]

!me

[tropic nova]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/164971940648321024/505149616006758401/unknown.png

[dense rapids]

Burn Scar is Davy jones is the best option

[mighty shell]

wait no

[hazy turret]

Yup, Loki burn scar man. They would point out all the other characteristics except for his freakish height

[sage temple]

Davy Jones is alive?

[hazy turret]

Great stuff

[odd rune]

ancient command from ancient times

[ashen perch]

Meanwhile Loki is blessed by every existent and non existent god on Bluestar, his eyes are some ultra important thing too, his fruit is the most important fruit ever, his genes are ancient giant heavy, he's gonna awaken and lead the galley la, and he's the 2nd coming of Oars Christ or something like what the hell

[mighty shell]

lmfao i wanted the yamato image where he says you talking about me

[odd rune]

!me?

[tropic nova]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1010993473098354830/1013039429406969866/last_final.png

[dense rapids]

Oda and Robin said he’s alive

[vital heart]

Yo rokaya.

[sage temple]

I feel like his eyes could be a big factor

[vital heart]

??

[mighty shell]

why is it punctuation sensitive

[hazy turret]

Suiuuup

[odd rune]

because we're the best like that

[vital heart]

Rokaya, check the audit log and tell me who changed my name

[vital heart]

DO THIS ASAP

[trim lily]

poor meek still won’t admit it was him

[vital heart]

Deadass

[sage temple]

Loki also had a Devil Fruit while he was at sea so the only feature that could be carried on is basically his eyes and maybe his horns

[vital heart]

Who keeps changing my name

[dense rapids]

Davy Jones is still alive

[hazy turret]

It says it was arsal

[ashen perch]

Hajrudin being just a regular dude with an ambitious noble goal in comparison almost has a special charm to it

[vital heart]

I WILL SMITE U

[vital heart]

THAT FUCKIN

[ashen perch]

It was you

Meek, you just forgot

[sage temple]

It's a shame you couldn't hop on the train early

I was there

[hazy turret]

This is literally how i feel about shanks

[ashen perch]

I do like Loki, idrc about the agenda succeeding because its like being on the Luffy agenda

[pulsar timber]

Is he

[dense rapids]

The Ancient Weapons

[odd rune]

@pulsar timber

[pulsar timber]

@odd rune

[odd rune]

long time no see

[pulsar timber]

Hello

[hazy turret]

Which weapon is Loki?

[pulsar timber]

It has been 84 years

[ashen perch]

Ofc its succeeding, congratulations, the dude with everything is gonna do everything, what do you want me to do about it

[dense rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/uranus-solarballs-solarballs-uranus-gif-3227521244130924987

[dark nymph]

tbf this is so many one piece characters atp

[vital heart]

Why can you ping macks but I can’t?

[odd rune]

im going to do a one piece trivia quiz in #952697030101323787 you guys should join :D

[ashen perch]

It isn't really

[sage temple]

Not really, people defend Luffy with every inch of their body because he's the main chaqracter and has almost no chance of losing and especially no chance of dying. Loki is a very important side character and is a lot more interesting than someone who gets carried by plot armor so frequently

[hazy turret]

Neptune??

[vital heart]

This dumbass Buggy dont even know the planets😂😂😂😂

[sage temple]

Just because Loki is important doesn't mean supporting him is just as boring as a Luffy supporter

[pulsar timber]

I have aura and hype moments you don’t

[vital heart]

@dense rapids u never followed me on twitter btw

[ashen perch]

It is honestly, there's 0 doubt in my mind that he is gonna do great things

[sage temple]

I feel like just because he's been given story importance you'd rather bring him down than anything

[pulsar timber]

Nothing boring about supporting Luffy

[odd rune]

loki truly turned out to be the goat

[pulsar timber]

He’s the goat

[sage temple]

Isn't this the case with like everyone in the Grand Fleet

[hazy turret]

People are bringing Loki down because you’re the one glazing him to the moon and back

[ashen perch]

Its the most safe agenda you could possibly have in the arc

[dense rapids]

Wait Socrates… the ring of Uranus

The planet has a ring

[sage temple]

https://tenor.com/view/ilgbtenha-stantwt-stan-twt-dude-nobody-invited-funny-gif-2432697925408331078

[odd rune]

like everyone put this massive burden of goated-ness on loki the moment he was introduced and he still turned out to be fantastic

[hazy turret]

You’re attributing every single part of the story to him

[sage temple]

HOLY

[ashen perch]

Not to the same extent at all

[sage temple]

This is genuinely perfect wow

The same angle and everything it makes sense now

[dense rapids]

What is it

[ashen perch]

You guys do realize that Imu has been all but confirmed to have Uranus

[sage temple]

I can name plenty parts of the story I'm not attributing to Loki

[ashen perch]

Like how is this working out

[trim lily]

story context is for the weak

[dense rapids]

Uranus is not confirmed for anything until we see the Poneglyph that says what it is

[ashen perch]

Buggy

[trim lily]

i think it’s safe to say uranus is a weapon in the sky

[dense rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/maintaining-the-agenda-agenda-is-priority-priority-agenda-maintain-the-agenda-the-agenda-gif-3278548794073012331

[sage temple]

There were blueprints for Pluton so there can obviously be more than 1 Ancient Weapon. I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that this can be the same with Uranus

[hazy turret]

Because you haven’t figured out how to yet

[ashen perch]

Vegapunk attributed the destruction of Lulusia to an ancient weapon

[ashen perch]

Lets count together

[sage temple]

No because I just don't want him to be in that part of the story

Because he wouldn't fit there

[pseudo gulch]

Male cow piece sucks*

[trim lily]

poseidon is under the sea, pluton is on the ground level/underground, uranus in the sky all like their respective gods

[dense rapids]

Uranus is the snake god of the sky like Nola is the master of the sky

[hazy turret]

Heh uranus

[ashen perch]

1st ancient weapon is Pluton, its residing underneath the modern day Wano
2nd ancient weapon is Poseidon, its the woman known as Shirahoshi
3rd ancient weapon is Uranus, its the only ancient weapon that is unaccounted for

So let's think about this again

[trim lily]

yeah but we have to force the ancient weapons to be people

[sage temple]

It is written

[fallen meteor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/738580480437387264/1389720377432866979/Illustration95.gif

[olive sigil]

That’s still sexist lad

[ashen perch]

If Lulusia is destroyed by an ancient weapon, and there's only one ancient weapon that is unaccounted for

[dense rapids]

Yes, Loki. The ancient weapon that was trapped at the legendary tree like the other ancient weapon Poseidon

[olive sigil]

Throw this baby off a cliff

[trim lily]

someone should do that

[ashen perch]

Who has that ancient weapon?

[fallen meteor]

me!!

[sage temple]

This is also a pretty popular theory

[ashen perch]

Corrrect

[remote maple]

loki is Uranus fr

[trim lily]

i’m pretty sure you two are the only ones to have ever said it

[distant vine]

The Mother Flame powered Uranus under WG control?

[urban lodge]

I actually like the idea that the sovereign is Loki, it being Luffy is boring

[distant vine]

[sage temple]

I feel like multiple Uranus-es can be possible

[ashen perch]

No they can't!!

[dense rapids]

The WG has a imperfect ancient weapon

[ashen perch]

Uranus is singular

[trim lily]

why would one uranus be a giant and another a flying super weapon

[sage temple]

I'm mentioning this because you're acting like it's out of the realm of possibility completely

[distant vine]

Luffy will surely have Poseidon which means he really cant use Pluton dang

[trim lily]

it is

[distant vine]

Though I guess Sunny would be cucked that way

[ashen perch]

See, here's the thing, Loki can be associated with Uranus, that's not out of the realm of possibilities at all

[sage temple]

What makes it singular

There were blueprints for Pluton so multiple Plutons can likely be made

[thick mango]

i think oda has commited to there being 3 ancient weapons full stop at this point

[dense rapids]

Shanks trapped Loki at the tree because he couldn’t let the ancient weapon run free until it was time

[distant vine]

That means Pluton is going to BB. Wano is FINISHED!!

[trim lily]

why can’t we just let some of the weapons be actual weapons

[remote maple]

isn't Uranus the thing that deletes islands

[ashen perch]

But him being the weapon itself is absolutely not happening

[thick mango]

yes

[trim lily]

that’s what set up right now yeah

[dense rapids]

It’s never been said in the manga what Uranus is

[sage temple]

Why not?

[trim lily]

it’s heavily implied

[thick mango]

uranus is the thing that destroyed lulusia. any other interpretation is bending over backwards towards a desired conclusion

[remote maple]

but don't we know mother flame was used to power one (Uranus?)

[sage temple]

The Sea Kings say the 2 sovereigns haven't been born yet

"born" could refer to the sovereigns unlocking their powers

[distant vine]

You gotta rest man...

[ashen perch]

Momo is also not an ancient weapon himself, but its constantly pointed out that he has a major role to play in leading the world to its dawn

[sage temple]

[ashen perch]

Loki could be in a similar position

[dense rapids]

Until we see a poneglyph that says Uranus is what destroyed Lulusia I’m pushing the Loki is Uranus agenda

[ashen perch]

He doesn't have to be a walking weapon, I think that sort of thing is restricted to Shirahoshi

[sage temple]

True true but why can't Loki also just be Uranus like Shirahoshi

[trim lily]

why would he be

[sage temple]

Well Shirahoshi and Loki are the only ones like born with this innate power

[thick mango]

cause we already know what uranus is

and its not loi

[sage temple]

Do we?

[ashen perch]

Because we have seen Uranus and it destroyed Lulusia

[dense rapids]

No we dont

[trim lily]

we know shirahoshi has an innate power and we’ve seen nothing from loki

[dense rapids]

We’ve literally never seen a poneglyph for it

[thick mango]

yes if youre not bending over backwarsd its the thing taht destroyed lulusia

[pseudo gulch]

Genderless cow piece sucks*

[thick mango]

vegapunk even semi confirms this

[sage temple]

We barely know what anything about Uranus is in detail

[ashen perch]

It certainly didn't look like a giant floating in the sky

[sage temple]

Yeah what is that thing

[trim lily]

we know uranus should be something related to the sky if poseidon is any indicator

[ashen perch]

Vegapunk knows though, and he confirmed that its an ancient weapon

[thick mango]

sure you can say we dont know for sure but we do know its not loki, who was chained to a tree

[sage temple]

A space ship? A planet? A person? What is Uranus

[dense rapids]

This is the only time Uranus has ever been mentioned

[ashen perch]

He never said the word Uranus but again, do some elimination here

[trim lily]

please buggy just use some context clues

we know pluton is in wano, poseidon is in fmi

[grand flower]

What innate power?

[sage temple]

I'm saying there could be multiple, but Imu needed a mother flame to activate it while Loki organically does it himself as like an innate power

[trim lily]

there is one weapon left and it is heavily implied by characters in the story to be the one that destroyed lulusia

[thick mango]

i think that undermines both of them

[ashen perch]

Vegapunk straight up directly said that an ancient weapon destroyed Lulusia

[sage temple]

This is a theory but I think Loki's is Uranus or at least related to Uranus

[ashen perch]

So ofc he has Uranus

[sage temple]

That's the only reason his symbol would be on a planet in the mural

[sage temple]

Yeah but how do you know there can't be more

[thick mango]

if i understand correctly hes saying that uranus is an artifical copy of innate powers loki also has. I dont agree with this but thats my understadning of what hes saying

[sage temple]

That's what I'm confused about

[trim lily]

the weapon that destroyed lulusia flies in the clouds so it fits the themeing of uranus being the god of the skies

[sage temple]

Like what makes Uranus so singular

[ashen perch]

Because there are 3 ancient weapons only

[trim lily]

there has been nothing to imply theres multiple of the same weapon

[thick mango]

cause when you start saying oh this and that is also like the 3 ancient weapons you water them down, you make them lesser

[frozen aspen]

all ancient weapns are named after planets

[sage temple]

But if there are Blueprints for Pluton there can be more of it made right?

[ashen perch]

Pluton is a battleship, so its blueprints being saved so a counter can be built is not the same thing at all

[dense rapids]

Loki and Harald

[sage temple]

!cook

[tropic nova]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1211111343852228638/1217510693411229746/cook.png?ex=66044a31&is=65f1d531&hm=fda7fc91afb3dda1c7a90192efda3372e268931d0bcc5db2b97d635b65b260ae&

[cunning jacinth]

i wanna know more about how the Gorosei are related to the three ancient weapons

[pine ridge]

are there blueprints for another loki?

[trim lily]

i dont think theyre that related but them sharing the planet names is interesting

[ashen perch]

That's more a just in case backup plan to prevent the world from being helpless against Pluton

[sage temple]

No we don't know the implications of Uranus so it's kind of assumptious to say there can only be one

[ashen perch]

Its not like the WG has built a floating Loki for themselves

That would be quite silly

[trim lily]

i used to think the ancient weapon names were based on the greek god pantheon/mythos while the gorosei were based off the roman pantheon

[sage temple]

Loki could be Uranus in the way that he posesses the same power

We don't even know what Uranus is

[ashen perch]

Its a flying saucer, I know it

[trim lily]

theres a decent chance it has something to do with the sky

or is located there

[ashen perch]

Yeah

[sage temple]

Yeah a sky something

[trim lily]

pluton is located underground/in rock since pluton was the underworld

[sage temple]

It's literally a UFO

[dense rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/zorro-onepice-gif-27262828

[sage temple]

[dense rapids]

You can’t read poneglyph

[wraith mantle]

I would be really surprised if whatever destroyed lulusia is not Uranus

[ashen perch]

We saw it floating in the sky, covering up the island of Lulusia as an unidentifiable flying object

[sage temple]

Yeah how do you know it's a saucer

[wet condor]

A UFO you say?

[vital heart]

That one is not uranus my guy

[thick mango]

yall are leaning on an ambiguity that only exists if you ignore the clear evidence we've been given

[vital heart]

Do i need to explain to you

What uranus is

[trim lily]

no

[vital heart]

Loki’s Eyes are Uranus.

[sage temple]

Loki could be Uranus in the way that he posesses the same power as it

[ocean totem]

Goddammit, meek...

[ashen perch]

I think its the giant SH

[wet condor]

I don't think Loki is Uranus. If anything he may be linked to Pluton

[sage temple]

This is the first time I've been arguing when everyone wasn't against me 🥹

[ashen perch]

Which certainly resembles a flying saucer

[hazy echo]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-luffy-one-piece-funny-gifs-one-piece-luffy-vs-lucci-rematch-one-piece-gear-5-nika-luffy-says-kiss-my-ass-lucci-one-piece-luffy-smacking-his-butt-towards-lucci-gif-18244536459570895680

[trim lily]

i mean your supporters are meek and buggy...

[sage temple]

Yeah I value them more than Rudolfius and Arsal

[trim lily]

thats fair

[ashen perch]

Doflamingo basically very directly hints at the Giant SH being a weapon

[wet condor]

Just because of the Galleila and him being the sucessor of the last giant of the second war yada yada yada

[sage temple]

I know it is

[trim lily]

man itd be so funny if the giant strawhat is actually a weapon

[ashen perch]

Not something to be worn, like people speculated

[sage temple]

Show me a panel please

[wraith mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/stare-disappointed-mad-idris-elba-stringer-bell-gif-17916385

[dense rapids]

Doflamingo was talking about Imu

[pine ridge]

does he?

[sage temple]

This seems awfully far fetched

I need a panel

[wet condor]

That's Joyboy's SH

[cunning jacinth]

no one has ever referred to Imu as a "treasure"

[trim lily]

yeah i still think its just this

[thick mango]

how many peopel have ever referred to imu?

3?

[cunning jacinth]

gorosei, holy knights, rocks, umm

[wet condor]

I don't think it's a weapon. If anything it's just maybe a trophy or something to remind Imu of Joyboy since there's that idea that at one point they were friends

[sage temple]

Yeah maybe

I doubt a SH can be a weapon

That'd be crazy

[trim lily]

i do think there is still some greater treasure/thing at mariejois that imu has

[trim lily]

maybe in that garden of theirs

[ashen perch]

Nah its definitely the SH

[sage temple]

This covered the entire island of Lulusia

[vital heart]

If you think this is Uranus then………… you’re a lost soul.

[ashen perch]

I think the implication is clear in that spread

[sage temple]

[vital heart]

Arsal is a lost soul

[sage temple]

Dawg

[vital heart]

My friend, he is lost

[sage temple]

Arsal is this really the hill?

[dense rapids]

That’s just joy boy straw hat

[vital heart]

Wallahi

Thats joyboys strawhat

[sage temple]

Is this the hill you're willing to die on?

[trim lily]

there is a pretty decent implication that the treasure is the strawhat (or related to it)

[sage temple]

😭

[wet condor]

Yeah

[ashen perch]

Joyboy's SH in big 2025 when he is absolutely not a giant

[thick mango]

my interpretation is that this is imu not the hat

[wet condor]

I'm going with Imu though

[trim lily]

could be either

[ashen perch]

Why would Imu be the treasure of Marie Geoise

[sage temple]

Holy size scaling Oda

[thick mango]

being secret king of the world is the treasure doffy wants

[steel stirrup]

Im not funny but you using my jokes

[sage temple]

If this hat covered Lulusia

[thick mango]

thats why he talks about the nature of power decaying immedaitely after

[sage temple]

Then Loki can wield the sword in Elbaph

[pine ridge]

for me the only thing that makes sense for mariejois' treasure is imu's book cause you need lifespan to use it and doffy said you need the immortality surgery to use its full power

[distant vine]

Im gonna cut this out now. A hat blowing up an island would look ridiculous

[sage temple]

It will shrink the same way the strawhat grows

[distant vine]

Therefore, its not the hat

[steel stirrup]

Oda would love ts

[sage temple]

Alrighty

[trim lily]

eh this feels kind of weird still

[wet condor]

I wish that sword wasn't just set dressing but I'm not getting my hopes up

[distant vine]

Ik Oda would love it. Still not letting it happen

[trim lily]

but it would fit with doffy wanting the ope fruit

[sage temple]

I never said you weren't funny

[ashen perch]

Its described as an object

[sage temple]

I said you laugh at things not even remotely funny

[steel stirrup]

Awww

[ashen perch]

I don't think it works

[sage temple]

[distant vine]

Feel like Doffy would like being the not-secret king of the world more

[thick mango]

if its not imu, what secret needs to be let out? And why would that secret be associated with power having a short shelf life?

[ashen perch]

Also to be clear, this is its untransformed state

[trim lily]

i think it could be something imu uses or has

[sage temple]

How do you know Loki can't transform

[trim lily]

maybe related to that magic book they use

[sage temple]

SO WE'RE TRANSFORMING NOW?

WE'RE TRANSFORMING?

[wet condor]

Loki turning into a battleship though

[trim lily]

wasnt there a cartoon about a kid turning into a boat

[sage temple]

HOW ABOUT LOKI TRANSFORMING INTO A UFO

[ashen perch]

Socrates holy shit who cares about the sword on Elbaf

[wet condor]

Shit has become transformers

[distant vine]

Imu looks like such a loser holding those posters

[timber glacier]

Loki as a better version of Babys 5 fruit

[sage temple]

The legend of Barnstokkr clearly

[distant vine]

Do something instead of sulking. Grown ass man

😭

[sage temple]

The difference is he was born with that power

Loki can transform into Uranus then if we're transforming

[trim lily]

ah no im thinking of turbo teen who turned into a car

[urban lodge]

Surely Oda wouldn't put a huge sword on an island just for it to not be used...

[timber glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/byuntear-renjun-nct-dream-shrek-shrek-meme-gif-14879367614943580103

[wet condor]

Why Uranus and not Pluton though?

[timber glacier]

We know where Pluton is

[wet condor]

Not necessarily transforming mind you, but I'd think Loki would have a connection to Pluton as opposed to Uranus

[dense rapids]

Onigishima 2.0

[sage temple]

Because

[wet condor]

Yeah. I don't mean transforming really

[trim lily]

this time for sure it isnt just set dressing

[thick mango]

cause uranus has a tiny enough amount of ambguity if you ignore the hints to fit loki in if youre looking for some place to shove him

[sage temple]

I mean I'm just saying Uranus because I feel it makes the most sense

[ashen perch]

Feels like an object for sure

[sage temple]

It could also be Pluton since we're transforming now but I don't know

[thick mango]

I dont see this as being incompatible with imu. Imus existence would shake the world as well

[ashen perch]

Also its very in line with how Dressrosa mirrors Alabasta, Crocodile was seeking Pluton while Doflamingo was seeking Uranus

[wet condor]

If Loki is related to Pluton, I wouldn't think he could transform into it. He's just key to activating it or something

[trim lily]

granted imu would have the same effect

[dense rapids]

Ancient Weapons

Giant Royal - Uranus

Fishman/Merfolk Royal -
Poseidon

Wano Royal (Human) - Pluton

[pine ridge]

pluto is also a "planet" or was back when oda came up with the story

[sage temple]

I feel like this could be referring to lots of things

[sage temple]

Yeah I'm not refuting the idea of Loki being Pluton okay

?

[vital heart]

Absolutley not

Wano is Pluton

[sage temple]

I'm just saying Uranus makes more sense to me

[vital heart]

Wano itself is Pluton

Mt fuji is the cannon of Pluton

Galleila made Pluton/built Wano

[trim lily]

i dont think the weapons are based on the planets considering poseidon

[timber glacier]

pretty sure the series is hinting that the death beam imu used on Lulusia is Uranus, Now with Lulusia being more important then originally thought

[vital heart]

Oars was the captain of Galleila

Wano ==== pluton

[pine ridge]

franky must've been shocked when he made it there

[ashen perch]

Not denying that Imu's existence wouldn't shake the world too, but he seems to be speaking of an it, an object and not some position of power or Imu

[wet condor]

You can probably already guess what the argument against this would be. But I know what you're saying lol

[sage temple]

Yeah but this is the best explanation of why Loki's symbol is on a planet shape in the Mural

[dense rapids]

The other planet has fish scales like mermaid on the mural

(I’m reaching)

[sage temple]

I feel like we don't know enough of Mary Geoise to know what this treasure is

[ashen perch]

I think the idea of the WG being in possession of an ancient weapon is huge, and we saw that with Lulusia. It certainly shook the world to its core

[sage temple]

It could just be a new thing

[sage temple]

Yeah this one is a reach sorry

The other planet does have flowers though

Wano?

Uranus on top
Wano below

Possibly?

[thick mango]

its so interesting to see like a mery go round of agreeing with people somtimes, thinking what theyre saying is a reach sometimes, and thinking what theyre saying is just batshit illiterate insane other times. So many people have ideas in all three categories. Probably including myself in yalls' estimation

[ashen perch]

Idk, I feel like the implication on that spread is clear enough. Doflamingo speaks of a great treasure and Imu walks into his treasury or locker and looks at a Giant SH. As clear as it can get imo

[sage temple]

Yeah and where does the transformation thing come from

Out of curiosity

[ashen perch]

Its the Giant SH, its not some hidden secret thing that we know nothing about

Uh

[vital heart]

I genuinely have alot of plausible ideas

Mosa being Mjosgard is one

MMBF being Rocks is another

[thick mango]

what? even now with shirahoshi being called mosa?

[wet condor]

MMBF?

[trim lily]

plausible

the contrast between the first two messages is genuinely incredible

[ashen perch]

The idea is that it can fly and wipe out islands, I don't think it transforming should be something to be so hung up over Socrates

[fallen meteor]

whats a mmbf

[trim lily]

man marked by flames

[thick mango]

man marked by flames im guessing

[fallen meteor]

oh

[wet condor]

Oh

[dense rapids]

Loki summoned a lightning bolt bigger than islands

[fallen meteor]

i was like ' a mad mass brotherfucker'

[sage temple]

True

[ashen perch]

Davy has a higher chance of being Burn Scar than Xebec

[sage temple]

I'm ngl I can see where you're coming from

[ashen perch]

Ofc you can

Its just true

[trim lily]

xebec being the burn scar is horrible

just let the man stay dead

[sage temple]

I just think it being a strawhat is just not something Oda would do

Especially it flying, growing 200 fold it's size,

[ashen perch]

Its meant to be ridiculous though

[sage temple]

Is it though?

[grand flower]

There’s nothing Oda wouldn’t do

[pine ridge]

but why would doffy need the immortality surgery and nothing else to use it if imu needed the mother flame

[sage temple]

Where is it's fuel tank

Doesn't it need the mother flame

[ashen perch]

Its meant to be Technology beyond anyone's imagination

[fallen meteor]

the burn scar man is loki

[sage temple]

How can it fit in a 3 meter encapsulation

And then

Like bro

[ashen perch]

Its technology that is 500 years ahead of the current day in One Piece

[trim lily]

what if the burn scar is kuzan

[fallen meteor]

the poneglyph is inside his hammer and the sightings at sea was back when he was actually at sea
the whirpools are his cloud attacks

[fallen meteor]

solved

[sage temple]

If not Uranus, Loki is the Burn Scar man

[frail kindle]

Loki ate the tontatta fruit thats how he's gonna join the straw hats

[sage temple]

Loki ate the Lunarian fruit

[ashen perch]

If you think a flying saucer for Uranus is ridiculous then you're not ready for the Pluton idea I really like actually

[fallen meteor]

kinda want to see the tontatta form loki

[prisma idol]

What am I looking at

[sage temple]

I agree

[frail cradle]

and how is that considered legendary

[sage temple]

The last ponglyph

[ashen perch]

Would never claim it as my own because I could never have come up with it, but its brilliant

The idea is that its a whale

And that Laboon was modelled after Pluton by Crocus

[frail kindle]

tontatta aren't well known and considered a myth

checkmate

[pine ridge]

I dont even mind the straw hat being uranus but the national treasure of mariejois part is what doesnt make sense to me

[fallen meteor]

remember that brief period of time that god valley was an upside down cannon or ufo of some sorts

[sage temple]

What is Imu holding

[trim lily]

i really did think the god valley being a weapon theory would be true

[pulsar timber]

That’s imus arm

[fallen meteor]

nothing i think

just reaching out for some butterflies

[ashen perch]

Why not?

[somber rivet]

A shotgun

[pulsar timber]

He wants a butterfly

[ashen perch]

Thats just Imu's arm

[trim lily]

i hate oda for this

[sage temple]

It looks like this

[frail cradle]

I wanna see Dosundada fruit

whatever that means

[ashen perch]

I do feel like something happened at GV

[fallen meteor]

its like the sleeve then the thin part is the arm

[frail kindle]

aren't those the half giants?

[ashen perch]

Offscreen, something we're not allowed to know about

[sage temple]

LOL

[somber rivet]

Yet

[trim lily]

please not another god valley flashback

[sage temple]

Why are his arms so short

[ashen perch]

The island didn't sink on its own, that lightning and sky split didn't happen on its own

[frail cradle]

isnt that half tontatta half giant

[ashen perch]

I'm certain that something happened

[frail kindle]

apparently its half tontatta half human

[frail cradle]

ok

[ashen perch]

And yea, we can't know about it yet but we will eventually

[frail cradle]

wotan = fishmen x giant

dosundada = tontatta x human

[trim lily]

weird that the child of a human and a giant is jsut a giant

[frail cradle]

furry = mink x human

[frail kindle]

@high void

[grand flower]

@ashen perch I get the impression Kuzan was only playing a fool when the Blackbeard pirates were discussing fire scar. Dragon, Shanks, Kuzan and Garp are all working together to keep tabs on the CDs and Blackbeard. Imu was just a blind spot

They all know about rocks

They all deduced teach is his son

Shanks probably did it first

[frail cradle]

if chopper gets the deer nurse mink from zou, would chopper be a furry?

because chopper is human

[ashen perch]

IN another translation, he just says he could've seized true world defying power and he could just think that its the ancient weapon that has allowed Imu to maintain that hold on the world. Its ambiguous enough to still be about Uranus.

[grand flower]

When he came out from under Whitebeard’s thumb

That’s when he became a danger

Whitebeard no longer kept him in check

Dragon would have definitely connected with shanks at some point once a red haired pirate popped up in bounty posters

Shanks is in Marijoa in collaboration with Dragon

This is after Ohara

[frail kindle]

but how would dragon know shanks is the baby he was trying to save

[grand flower]

Dragon is a Revo by now

[grand flower]

The red hair

[frail kindle]

you know how many redheads there are in the world

[grand flower]

Not like Shanjs

[ashen perch]

I feel like red hair isn't necessarily a strong enough tell

[frail kindle]

seriously lol

[grand flower]

There’s a reason shanks, shamrock and mama red hair are the only ones with grey scale

[trim lily]

we the reader can tell but i dont think you could tell shanks red hair from kid's in universe

[grand flower]

Theyre also the only characters whose red hair is noted

[frail kindle]

like imagine if dragon asked every single kid he met with red hair if he was from god valley

[ashen perch]

Its special to us, the readers, cause Oda has a way of drawing it but its not necessarily special in universe

[grand flower]

The fact that there’s other redheads like kid with white hair in the B/W is a big tell

[grand flower]

Not just to us

It’s shanks’ epithet

Red hair is really common

The fact that shanks’ stands out means it’s not just to us

It stands out to characters too

Even in Oda’s rough draft of them finding shanks

It’s them going “a red haired baby?”

[frail kindle]

I mean kid's nickname was captain

that doesn't mean much

[grand flower]

The citizens comment on mama red hair and the boys having red hair

[ashen perch]

Yeah its a notable feature, but Kid for example could've also gone around calling himself that and it'd not matter

[grand flower]

No other redheads get their commented on

[grand flower]

But it doesn’t happen

[frail kindle]

that was for us the readers

[grand flower]

So that’s a moot point

[grand flower]

Oh okay

[frail kindle]

if Oda didn't specifically mention the mother and kid's red hair, everyone would be arguing

cause people are stupid

[frail cradle]

like how everyone argue gunko is related to buggy?

[ashen perch]

Idk, i guess Dragon could've connected with Shanks but I do like the idea of it still weighing on him

[frail kindle]

same, arsal

[trim lily]

did people genuinely argue that cause she had blue hair

[frail kindle]

his failures at god valley to save a baby was the catalyst to start a revolution and the fact that he doesn't know he survived makes it even more powerful

[grand flower]

I don’t believe that Oda is drawing attention to their red hair and only their red hair for no reason

I also don’t take characters acknowledging something in-universe as purely metatextual. The characters are still “in reality” noticing their red hair even when redheads are fairly ubiquitous

In kayfabe, so to speak, they notice it too

[frail kindle]

shuron, have you ever seen people comment on a baby and how similar they are to the parents? the same can be done with hair

and usually is

[ashen perch]

The vibe I get from Dragon is that he's carrying all these things within him, everything he has been witness to, its been weighing in on him and acting to fuel his motivations, all whilst he can't reveal it to anybody. I guess we don't know him like that but still

[grand flower]

This is really the only important part becausw it means dragon can likewise notice it for whatever reason they did

The fact that this only happens for shanks lays the groundwork for why dragon would immediately assume it’s one of those twin boys

[frail kindle]

"omg they have your red hair"

your nose

etc

[grand flower]

Theyre thr only ones with red hair like theirs

[grand flower]

But it’s not just that

[ashen perch]

I mean Red Hair is still something to notice either way, I just don't think its meant to be some special red hair per se

[grand flower]

Oda draws attention to it as distinctly red

It’s not “a red haired guy!”

It’s “a guy with red hair like that baby’s and no where else”

[prisma idol]

People want buggy to be important or have an important bloodline

Let buggy stand on his own smh

[grand flower]

It’s only them with that particular

Whatever it is

We don’t know if it’s shade or what

[frail cradle]

just like nami

[grand flower]

But we know the character see it as distinct

[vital heart]

Yo guys

[frail kindle]

hi meek

[vital heart]

Can I derail the conversation real quick

?

[trim lily]

i hope buggy survives this scourge till the end

[prisma idol]

Nah nerona nami is real /j

[frail kindle]

no

[grand flower]

Especially because it’s enough to distinguish shanks as an individual

[fallen meteor]

even ignoring the hair
dragon knows that the HKs got one of those babies and then years later him being a revo he probably has knowledge of the red haired HK + the guy that looks just like him

[ashen perch]

Currently, the idea of Buggy not actually being related to anybody is the idea that speaks to me

[vital heart]

I will real quick

[frail kindle]

no

[vital heart]

I went to San Jose earlier today.

[frail kindle]

I will mute you for 20 hours

[vital heart]

Look what I found

[grand flower]

Their hair color stands out enough for it to distinguish shanks

[fallen meteor]

i dont think it's too far to think he could connect the dots

[grand flower]

Especially if dragon sees it as a bounty poster

Itll have the epithet in it

Or a newspaper article

[vital heart]

Look what I found tho bruh. Red Force. Victoria Punk. Thousand Sunny. Polar Tang

[pine ridge]

do we know that?

[vital heart]

Isnt this so sick

[frail cradle]

its better that way

[grand flower]

Yes we do

[prisma idol]

Only 2 of those are still intact

[frail kindle]

no we don't shuron

[grand flower]

Shanks is known for it

His epithet is red haired

[trim lily]

the victoria punk looks cool

[frail kindle]

you're just making it out to be something different

[vital heart]

You can buy the Saber of Xebec and the Going Merry too!

[trim lily]

the saber of xebec would be kind of boring to build

[grand flower]

As I said before, shanks shamrock and mama red hair are the only characters whose red hair is addressed by the characters, ever

[trim lily]

its just three logs with a pole

[pine ridge]

yes "red" hair not "this very special type of red" hair

[vital heart]

Why

[fallen meteor]

i think the color thing isnt a thing
its jus that he IS red haired and doesnt have anything else to him that pops out immediately

[vital heart]

True lol

[grand flower]

Alright

[fallen meteor]

so of course he is red haired shanks

[ashen perch]

Why would anyone waste a cent on that boring ahh ship named after that bum

[prisma idol]

I could make that by grabbing some firewood

[frail cradle]

oda said he used that specific manga tone just for red hair. but thats just for convenience

not story related

[fallen meteor]

maybe he could be one armed shanks if he started sailing later idk

[prisma idol]

So trueee

[ashen perch]

I do believe its significant

[bold sonnet]

How much are they?

[ashen perch]

But not significant to anyone currently

Its significant because it was the same hair color that Joyboy had, but no one knows that anymore

[olive sigil]

Cows of every gender are accepted in my world. Cow piece is real for every cow

[ashen perch]

We the readers will discover it in the Void Century flashback

[vital heart]

$40 i think… or $20

[pine ridge]

yeah could be something like that but like it's not gonna be some special never before seen type of red

[bold sonnet]

👍

[prisma idol]

Shanks looks just like joyboy and thats why he is called the child of fate

[ashen perch]

You guys can't keep laugh reacting to things I say in full seriousness

It hurts my soul

[frail cradle]

its just for convenience

[ashen perch]

Yea I agree

[grand flower]

Anyway I think Kuzan was aiming to glean how much progress Blackbeard had made

[frail cradle]

the red hair isnt that special

[grand flower]

Snitched to dragon and Garp

Maybe to the Elders too

Finding out Blackbeard is the son of rocks would increase the size of the target they have on him

Maybe that’s why his bounty increased

[ashen perch]

That's basically the idea, I think he's going to be directly descended from Joyboy

[prisma idol]

I wouldn't be opposed

[grand flower]

But it’d be a smart political play

Increase conflict between Blackbeard and the WG, their enemies

[prisma idol]

It would be more interesting than Luffy being a direct descendant, and it would be better if luffy inherited JoyBoy's will from Shanks and true descendant

[ashen perch]

And thats what made him the child of destiny, in the eyes of the Roger Pirates, not knowing that destiny is going to be defied soon when some kid decides to eat the Gomu Gomu fruit on a whim

[grand flower]

Kuzan going “am I fire scar” to throw them off

Make them think he’s completely oblivious fr

Look like a goof

[vital heart]

Can I be honest

[grand flower]

No

You should lie

[fallen meteor]

WE ARE fire scar

[prisma idol]

The actual burn scar is Sabo as he sails on Dragons ship

[grand flower]

It’s fun

[stone terrace]

"Btw my hair is red" and then they all laughed

[vital heart]

I dont think “destiny” intended for Luffy to eat the nika/gomu fruit.

[prisma idol]

And the whirlpools are from what's his name from the revos, the fishman dude

[grand flower]

Probably not

But the fruit did

So it said fuck it

“I like this guy”

[ashen perch]

Yea that aspect of it is part of my bigger theory, that involves Buggy

[vital heart]

I dont think the fruit wanted to be eaten by Luffy

Thats why luffy got cursed w vulnerability to the ocean

[ashen perch]

I think Oda has a certain philosophy with lineages, that gets ignored as people make the 67th least funniest joke of all time about Nepo Piece

[vital heart]

What is the philosophy?

[stone terrace]

-nerona nami believer

[vital heart]

Confucianism ?

[fallen meteor]

you get to laughtale and theres a sign that says 'on my red nose and on my red hair i swear to god that i will defeat Imu one day or else my name isnt eustass davy pinkoby aka joyboy'

[ashen perch]

And the philosophy is that these lineages do not matter in reality

[sage temple]

67?

Guys?

[carmine schooner]

Everyone who ate a df has a weakness to water ..

[vital heart]

Yes they do- clearly they do- yamato is only strong because of kaido. Luffy is strong because of Garp. Shanks is strong because of Joyboy. Etc

[carmine schooner]

?? Shanks and joyboy arent related

[ashen perch]

The ones that get to fulfill the wills are actually not related to the ones who originally wanted to achieve that will. This is where Buggy and Luffy come in. While BB is descended from Davy and Shanks is descended from Joyboy, both their wills will be fulfilled by people who have no blood relations to them.

[ashen perch]

Not the point

[frail cradle]

didnt WB said to BB “youre not him”

[ashen perch]

Yeah, he won't succeed

[vital heart]

Buggy doesnt even have a dream bruh

[pulsar timber]

Lineages are like great fathers do great things so of course their children do great things too

It’s like this in real life often

[frail cradle]

he has

[vital heart]

He wont succeed because hes not trying to achieve anything in the first place

[frail cradle]

PK dream

[carmine schooner]

He wants to be pk now

[frail cradle]

his PK dream is real

[vital heart]

Lol

PK is too small a dream

Luffys dream is so much grander

Buggy doesnt have a real dream

[urban lodge]

He said he wanted to be king of the world too

[vital heart]

A real grandiose dream

No he didnt

Buggy didnt say that

Lol

[frail cradle]

he wanted to be PK since he was a kid, but he buried him after shanks bummed him out

[ashen perch]

Buggy does want to be the king of the world too

[potent pier]

Got a new agenda piece line

[ashen perch]

He's taking this one step at a time

Pirate King now

King of the World later

[urban lodge]

He's already destroying the navy with cross guild too

[fallen meteor]

he didnt say to be fair, he thought

[vital heart]

He has literally never said this

[ashen perch]

Meek buddy you might be blind

[vital heart]

When was tjis

When was this

[urban lodge]

Marineford

[pulsar timber]

Penny can I get your pfp art

[vital heart]

Marineford

Rocks wasnt even a concept back then my guy

[ashen perch]

But yea, thats the crux of my idea, Shanks descended from Joyboy and BB descended from Davy, and yet both their wills will be fulfilled by Luffy and Buggy respectively.

[urban lodge]

Check my bio muk

[potent pier]

Vegapunk got his cure for sapphire scale form Torino island but he wiped the minds of the Torionos so he cold lure Kuma to egghead!

[ashen perch]

Good god man Loki does not matter in this equation

[sage temple]

Why does Loki talk about King of the World then

[pulsar timber]

Thanks

[sage temple]

What's happening there

Exactly

[frigid gulch]

Buggy inherited Rocks’ will

[sage temple]

Loki will fulfill Davy's wish

King of the World

[carmine schooner]

Where are we getting this shanks is joyboy's descendant idea from??

[sage temple]

When he continues his pirating

[ashen perch]

He's a mentally disturbed 63 year old who idolizes an insane man, it doesn't matter what he's talking about

[sage temple]

Buggy wants King of the Pirates

[final trench]

21 year old* but yea true

[urban lodge]

He says all this in the same chapter and the chapter title is destiny...

[grand flower]

Kinda reminds you of Imu doesnr it

[urban lodge]

Cook

[sage temple]

Where is your legendary fruit? special eyes? direct relation with Davy? world-trembling power? special bounty?
"I don't need it"

[frigid gulch]

Imu created that island for his son

[vital heart]

Funniest part about the second image is that WB never ruled the world in the first place!!!

YO

YO

[pulsar timber]

Buggy isn’t becoming the king of the pirates if Oda is of a sound mind

[grand flower]

https://tenor.com/view/anton-chigurh-no-country-for-old-men-ok-oops-javier-bardem-gif-10579690

[vital heart]

TWO PIECE

TWO PIECE

DOES IMU HAVE A KID????

WHO IS IMUS CHILD

[wet condor]

It's hilarious how you can just refer to whichever you want with giants if you feel like talking some shit about them

[wraith mantle]

20 yo btw

[pulsar timber]

King of the world id rather not but it’s whatever

[vital heart]

IMUS CHILD WILL BE PROTAG OF TWO PIECE AND LUFFYS KID WILL BE SIDEKICK

[pulsar timber]

King of the pirates though no

[vital heart]

Who is IMUS CHILD

[carmine schooner]

You are

[vital heart]

IMU HAS A KID OUT THERE

[sage temple]

So when Meek does that it's fine but when I show Loki's dream to be King of the World it's crazy

[austere flint]

Me 🙂

[sage temple]

https://tenor.com/view/20-v-1-but-when-i-but-when-i-win-a-20-v-1-meme-funny-gif-16431494179924825722

[pulsar timber]

Yall both crazy

That’s the story

[wet condor]

Luffy about to punch Colon

Fan: Luffy could've killed him
Other fan: He's 20 years old, he should know better to pick a fight

[sage temple]

Who has supporting evidence from the manga

I do

[pulsar timber]

No I’m saying you’re both crazy

[ashen perch]

Its been brewing for a while, the idea is that he is called the child of destiny by Gaban for this reason. He was also born in God Valley, his biggest foil is the man who descended from Davy, and you can contrast that with him being descended from Joyboy. Then there's the silhouettes somewhat resembling Shanks, the mysterious Mama Shanks that Oda revealed nothing about, implying there's something to his lineage from his mother's side for sure.

[frozen aspen]

https://twitter.com/kurrrto/status/1994824038288667001

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X · Nov 29, 2025, 5:41 PM

[sage temple]

I'm less crazy

[pulsar timber]

Bar is unfathomably low

[ashen perch]

Socrates Loki is not going to be the king of the world

Not even for a second

He's going to get rid of the Xebec obsession

[pulsar timber]

No one is gonna become king of the world

[shell scroll]

I once heard that mihawk was imus kid

[pulsar timber]

We don’t need any of those

[ashen perch]

He's gonna be singing all Nika and Sun God soon

[pulsar timber]

They’re bad

[prisma idol]

Arsal where do you see the arc going once we are out of the flashback

[ashen perch]

Oh for sure, but the idea with Buggy is not it being some permanent thing anyways

[urban lodge]

Oh yeah Buggy will only be king of the world for like 30 seconds

[sage temple]

Xebec has been said to be Loki's Shanks

[ashen perch]

Just him sitting down on the throne, for a bit, getting his wish fulfilled, doing what Davy did too

[urban lodge]

But he will be

[prisma idol]

Yeah he seems more into the Nika lore than I had originally thought so wait until he sees luffy go G5

[ashen perch]

Yea

[sage temple]

If Loki forgets about Xebec, Luffy may as well forget about Shanks and lose his dream to be the PK

[ashen perch]

As for how the arc plays out, I really believe Luffy could lose this time lol

[sage temple]

Loki's current desire is to be King of the World

[pulsar timber]

Loki is gonna submit like a good giant and he’s becoming a crew mate

[ashen perch]

I feel like, this is it, we've got the final boss here

[sage temple]

Based off nothing

Your point is invalid

Pipe down Zolos

[prisma idol]

Stelly will be king of the world

[shell scroll]

Is shanks mum part of D?

[urban lodge]

Loki will find his own original dream by the end of the arc

[sage temple]

[thick mango]

i like the idea of a loki betrayal and luffy loss

[ashen perch]

Luffy is not gonna win against the final boss, so its gonna end poorly for him

[pulsar timber]

Loki isn’t becoming the king of the world

[sage temple]

Loki's original dream is to be King of the World

[grand flower]

@gritty shuttle @hazy turret splendid news. Flashback has breached kid being alive

[pulsar timber]

It’s ok to have dreams

[sage temple]

It's his dream

[pulsar timber]

I dream to be with Jessica alba

We all don’t get what we want

[prisma idol]

Surely

[sage temple]

Okay then Luffy isn't becoming King of the Pirates using that logic

[ashen perch]

Unclear, we know nothing about her

[pulsar timber]

No

[wet condor]

I'm down for this but a bunch of people would hate it

[pulsar timber]

Thats not how that works really

[prisma idol]

One big loss to establish Imu as a Massive threat to the SHs, and give them more of a reason to fight Imu

[pulsar timber]

Loki betrayal?

Where does that come from

[sage temple]

That basically is if Loki and Xebec are a direct parallel to Luffy and Shanks

[shell scroll]

You brought up somthing interesting Icl

[sage temple]

So if you aren't going to support what you say with at least something just don't speak to me 😮‍💨

[pulsar timber]

Yeah no this story is literally leading to the king of the world and its position being destroyed

There’s no place for a king of the world

[wet condor]

Which is dumb

Nothing wrong with there being a king of the world

[thick mango]

i just think it would be more interesting than loki falling into line as an ally like has has happened over and over again. Loki in other media is associated with lies/trickery/betrayal and loki's reverence for rocks might send him on a path to ally with bb rather than luffy

[sage temple]

Loki will become king of the NEW world

[ashen perch]

But yea, the way I see it, I think they succeed in driving Imu back to Marie Geoise but not without consequences. The Giant Captains still remain Domi Reversi'd, become the kings of Elbaf while they've got a Domi Reversi'd Loki supporting them. And in this state of Elbaf, we proceed to the 2nd half of the arc. Though everything is super unpredictable and I could be way off but eh

King of Elbaf

[sage temple]

Nothing supports Loki being Domi

So

Invalid theory

😤

[pulsar timber]

No

[ashen perch]

I'm gonna hold your hand when I say this

[sage temple]

In all seriousness there's like zero things supporting Loki being Domi'd

[thick mango]

nothing supports loki being immune to dimi? It seems impossibel to resist. Why wouldnt gunkoimu reversi the strongest thing she can get her hands on, loki?

[ashen perch]

You're like, very much so not ready

[pulsar timber]

I do wonder if we will get an imu reveal

[sage temple]

I feel like it's just Loki hate in disguised as a theory

[urban lodge]

Loki is a big tsundere, he's actually a softie inside, I really don't see him betraying anyone

[wraith mantle]

Since there’s trouble in the holy land rn, Imu will very likely dip soon, and we need a strong opponent for Luffy this arc so either Loki or Zoro getting domi’d

[wet condor]

Socrates, you think everything is Loki hate man

[thick mango]

lets reverse the question. why wouldnt imu reversi loki? ]\

[sage temple]

Okay then everyone on Elbaph gets Domi'd

[ashen perch]

There's no hate here man, it just is the natural conclusion

[thick mango]

i think thats very possible yeah. except straw hats

[sage temple]

Not really

[shell scroll]

His bloodline perhaps?

[sage temple]

We've seen the strawhats taken over before

[ashen perch]

If the homeland theory is true

[sage temple]

For example Thriller Bark

[ashen perch]

Then no giant is safe in Elbaf

[wraith mantle]

Harald got domi or possessed in the castle incident

[thick mango]

ok maybe straw hats too then. None of this is a reason why loki cant be reversi'd

[prisma idol]

Man I forgot about Homeland theory

[ashen perch]

The SHs alone are gonna be fine, but the giants aren't

[sage temple]

That's under the precondition that the dream demons' home come from Elbaph

[shell scroll]

But Loki has special eyes

[sage temple]

I'm saying, if Loki gets Reversi'd, so should everyone else on Elbaph

[wraith mantle]

Just an infection probably

[ashen perch]

It does lol, Qilingham created them on Elbaf through the minds of Elbaf's children

[frail kindle]

https://tenor.com/view/design-eyes-special-eyes-special-gif-8137439

[vital heart]

I am sorry Glex and Arsal for the warn. No more caps at all from me for the next 24 hrs

[sage temple]

Loki has distinguishing factors from the people who've already been Domi'd

For example

[wraith mantle]

Doubt Oda is gonna introduce sharingans this late in the game

[thick mango]

It seems like imu picks the easiest/most powerful target, which would be loki in these case

[sage temple]

A Devil Fruit

[sage temple]

Why hasn't Imu done that already

[pine ridge]

how would that work with rocks resisting for a bit

[thick mango]

cause we've been in a flashback for months

[urban lodge]

Loki wasn't nearby

[vital heart]

Qbz, you ready for tmrw?

[urban lodge]

But he will be soon

[thick mango]

imu just finished their evil monologue, imu has only been acting for like 5 mins or less so far

[vital heart]

@grand flower you ready for tomorrow??? We both getting muted for 3 weeks my guy

[thick mango]

wahts tomorrow?

[sage temple]

Why would Imu put the highest people in authority Dorry and Brogy if they aren't the strongest on Elbaph

[wraith mantle]

This nigga really said in the next 24 hrs 😭

[thick mango]

they are the strongest who are readily available arent they?

[shell scroll]

Why?

[wraith mantle]

Bro has no intention to actually stop spamming caps

[vital heart]

Sanjuan wolf, shuron, and I lost a bet for who Mosa was. We all getting 3 week mutes.

[sage temple]

Yet Imu said "Elbaph needs kings" and gave the rules to Dorry and Brogy

[prisma idol]

Well we dont know if Mosa is for sure shirahoshi yet. Im calling this premature

[pine ridge]

already?

it's not even confirmed

[vital heart]

My guy it got confirmed this chapter

[dense rapids]

The holy knight loki fought was Harald

[ashen perch]

Just him having a powerful will, the homeland idea would mean that Imu wouldn't have even tried it on him if he was outside God Valley.

[prisma idol]

Its literally not

[shell scroll]

If it is how did they even get in contact

[sage temple]

I doubt Imu would already establish them as the kings if those arent even the strongest in Elbaph

[random hinge]

!pfp

[tropic nova]

Here is @prisma idol's avatar.

[random hinge]

very nice

[prisma idol]

Lmfaoo

[sage temple]

Assuming Harald even became a Holy Knight

[frail kindle]

!pfp

[tropic nova]

Here is @random hinge's avatar and server avatar.

[random hinge]

what’s the reaction for

[sage temple]

There was a 3rd party there at the castle obviously

[random hinge]

is this a slop game