also-manga

[lofty fern]

It would be fascinating

[urban lodge]

Evil Buggy WILL be proven right somehow still

[olive sigil]

You don’t have the vision

[hot cairn]

yoo that sounds interesting

we don’t know if he understands the language or not, that doesn’t mean anything

[icy wolf]

i dont think so

[hoary steppe]

I didnt say he understands the word.. but that red stone being important i mean

[frozen ravine]

I think the other Roger pirates would see through shamrock pretending to be Shanks

[trim lily]

you know who else would understand the importance of the stones? sunbell...

[hot cairn]

why not?

[olive sigil]

They’re master shipwrights and the special thing about this man marked by frames is that they have a black ship that does swirls. Maybe the burn scars come from frostbite

[hoary steppe]

The world if sunbell never exists

[hot cairn]

If he took it he knows it’s importance

[icy wolf]

i think theres a decent chance its barbell

[hoary steppe]

https://tenor.com/view/future-city-scifi-gif-8981694204001806108

[hot cairn]

cook

[trim lily]

im gonna be so pissed if its barbell and not sunbell

[muted hedge]

i think it's nothing tbh

[trim lily]

oda will have done it to personally spite me

[olive sigil]

What if it’s doorbell

[trim lily]

thatd be cool

[hot cairn]

LOL

[trim lily]

we get to see the extend bell family

[hot cairn]

agreed

[hoary steppe]

Yea i mean, how did they know its importance.. as a new character too

[olive sigil]

The evil brother hell’s bells

[tough igloo]

this chapter makes Garling intro hilarious .. because his own son did this for Fisher Tiger in mariejois 😂🤣🤦🏾‍♂️

[lofty fern]

It's possible it's nothing, but when you have identical twins you have to begin thinking about it. Like you can even get around the scar and missing arm with make-up and using a ton to haki to cut off Sham's arm and therefore delay it from growing back

[trim lily]

he must’ve been pretty cheesed when he found out

[olive sigil]

CHEESE

[muted hedge]

i just don't see why they would do that?

[trim lily]

[hoary steppe]

So this burneds scars man

1. Understand the red poneglyph importance
2. Have been to fishman island
3. Able to move the entire stone

[olive sigil]

COW PIECE IS REAL 🐮 🐄

[muted hedge]

Shanks and Shamrock doesn't seem to be in cohoots as far as we know, at least since he left Marijoa

[trim lily]

they can also make whirlpools

something fishmen can do…

[lofty fern]

Garling: That was no son of mine. I disown him.
Shanks: Good.

[hoary steppe]

Just like sunbell

[olive sigil]

A giant would have no problem lifting the stone

[hoary steppe]

True… giants

[hot cairn]

I don’t understand why people want Shanks and Shamrock to do a switcheroo, literally whats the point?

[muted hedge]

yeah i don't get it either

[dense rapids]

Who was it that told the story about Fishman migrating to the sunlight tree?

[trim lily]

excellent question!

[muted hedge]

i guess just so they can blame it on Shanks?

[cold steppe]

I don't think they would be regularly swapping, since we know now they have different voices. But it is possible they swapped the one and only time right here on mariejoie. Also even their clothing style seems to hint that way

[olive sigil]

Losers who are mad that shanks isn’t evil

[lofty fern]

If Oda took a weird line of dialogue from Roger about Shirahoshi and made it relevant, he could possibly do something just as wild. Also Identical twins just scream for them to be swapped at some point

[trim lily]

but like what’s the point of it

what does swapping shamrock and shanks add other than being a twist

[muted hedge]

i mean maybe Shamrock was the one who took care of Kaido, but that's the most i could see

[lofty fern]

That's an anime choice, Oda does his own thing so I don't really go by that

[hazy echo]

https://x.com/arinaariri/status/1994571259330613350

ずっと忘れたくない (@arinaariri)

ケンドーコバヤシのセニョール・ピンク

X · Nov 29, 2025, 12:57 AM

[hot cairn]

literally

[hoary steppe]

Bro barely went pass xebec

[muted hedge]

Shamrock

not Garling

[hoary steppe]

Oh right

[hoary steppe]

Meh shanks >

[lofty fern]

We'd have to see what the context was. It's like with how we see Shanks in the chapter. Prior to this most people thought Shanks came to the holy land to kinda find himself after Roger's death, however this chapter recontextualizes that idea. I think you could make it work, you'd just need to find the context

[muted hedge]

i just think it would end up being very confusing

unnecessarily so

[trim lily]

i’ll allow a twin swap at the very end during a potential shamrock redemption

but not now

[hot cairn]

yeah in the future perhaps

but in the past? Nah

[muted hedge]

i like the idea of redeeming Shamrock to be honest

[lofty fern]

I think it'd only make sense if it ends up being some big "parent trap" level ultimate plan between the two

[muted hedge]

Shanks and Shamrocks mother would've liked them to grow into fair and just boys

i am sure she'd be heartbroken to see how Shamrock is living

[trim lily]

he should still have to atone for everything he’s done as a CD but I hope he doesn’t stay bad to the very end

[muted hedge]

yeah definitely

[lofty fern]

We still need to find out more about Lady Akagami and why Oda is hiding her

[trim lily]

it’d also be nice if the kid garlic groomed to be like him turned against him

[muted hedge]

i am so interested in learning more about her

her exclusion from the flashback is so curious

[trim lily]

i assume we might get more in the shanks flashback

[muted hedge]

Shamrock feels unlike the other Celestial Dragons if you know what I mean

[trim lily]

him learning about his family and such

[lofty fern]

Why was she considered so "wise"

[muted hedge]

yeah i also found that odd

[lofty fern]

He acts similarly to Garling, but even in that, he's even more subdued

[trim lily]

i’m very curious how she met garlic

he didn’t seem to have forced himself on her considering her attitude

weird he wouldn’t just take her back to mariejois

[muted hedge]

Garling is probably considered handsome by most

[long basin]

so some unlucky superficial women fall for garling and get stabbed

[lofty fern]

Well he said he just came to that island after returning from a mission, so he just had one night with her, I don't think it was more than that

[trim lily]

yeah but that’s strange in the first place

[lofty fern]

Is it?

[trim lily]

a CD wouldn’t typically just do it with a woman on the surface world and leave

[muted hedge]

to a degree yeah

[lofty fern]

I'd disagree, they get human "wives" all the time for just that reason

[trim lily]

yes and they take them

by force

[muted hedge]

Garling never seemed to want her

as he said that she wasn't fit for him

[lofty fern]

Garling has enough charm to not have to do that, and he wasn't interested enough to take her home

[muted hedge]

or whatever

[lofty fern]

For Garling, probably the conquest is more interesting than forcing himself, though I'm sure he could do that too

[stone terrace]

Garling rizzed the hell out of akamami

[stone terrace]

I wonder what she saw in him lol

Did she think he was her prince charming?

[muted hedge]

every Figarland seem to be objectively handsome in this world

we saw in this chapter that Shanks and Shamrock also had fangirls swooning over them

[lofty fern]

Many women find him attractive somehow, that a lot of times for women, that goes beyond just good looks

He's also charming and probably knows just the right words to say

[muted hedge]

can't wait to learn more about her

she's definitely the most mysterious part of the flashback

[stone terrace]

Hes definitely attractive but from her limited time with him she seemed infatuated

[lofty fern]

Why are you hiding her Oda....you've shown every other mother, why hide Shanks' mother of all people

[lofty fern]

Doesn't take much, happens IRL too

Also, if you happen to get pregnant, you probably would dream and hope, probably foolishly that the father will return

[hoary steppe]

Cuz Oda hate mom

Even big mom is dead

[muted hedge]

i mean he didn't hide Eris

which i thought he would

[trim lily]

she had more stuff to do with rocks i guess

i assume we’ll see shanks mom later

[muted hedge]

we gotta

[hoary steppe]

I really doubt it

Idk why

[lofty fern]

It's just that, it's on purpose. You have to actively hide a woman's face that much

[stone terrace]

Inb4 red nose

[hoary steppe]

Blue hair…

[fallen meteor]

She has their red hair

[trim lily]

she kinda has to have red hair lol

[lofty fern]

She has red hair, we know that much

[hoary steppe]

Smh

Yall dont see the vision

[trim lily]

shanks and buggy are NOT brothers

i won’t allow oda to do that

[lofty fern]

That would mean that Buggy's the missing triplet lol

[hoary steppe]

https://tenor.com/view/how-paapabutterfly-gif-22583765

Nvm

The only blue hair is fucking xebec

😭

[trim lily]

vivi and buggy are siblings

[lofty fern]

Kinda hard for that to happen since they're the same age. He'd have to be born the same time as the other two and that's not happening

[hoary steppe]

Possibly!

[hoary steppe]

What if lily married to Davy Jones

Imu jelous

Imu kill Davy D

[lofty fern]

I bet Shira finds Loki to "be her type" because he's the first person interested in her that is bigger than her.

[steel stirrup]

Child marriage wasn't on my bingo card but whatever

[lofty fern]

She's 16, total marrying age in OP world

[opal gulch]

why does oda do this

[wraith mantle]

Shanks/Doffy parallels go crazy when you think about it

[opal gulch]

maybe there is a age difference in elbaph with the giants but its still weird

[wraith mantle]

loki needs to be locked up

he a fan

[lofty fern]

Loki is like 21 in terms of human age

[opal gulch]

yeah but why not just make her older so it doesnt need to be weird

[wraith mantle]

apparently in japan, legal age is 16

so its "ok"

[opal gulch]

my point is i dont mind them getting together but why make the age difference

[sage temple]

If a country had their legal age at 21 they'd look at us the same way

[iron oriole]

Quite a few places

Its 16 in the UK too for example

[opal gulch]

oda knows better so no excuse imo

[grand flower]

Oh boy, age of consent discussions

[sage temple]

wait.. a JAPANESE mangaka writes a JAPANESE comic and uses the legal age in JAPAN for marriage?!?!?!?

[wraith mantle]

well, its culture diff

[opal gulch]

i mean we are reading the story and this is clearly annoying thing that oda decided on

[lofty fern]

Marrying a younger woman is seen as preferable there basically

Like getting married right out of high school is not seen as strange at all

[opal gulch]

blehh comon but whatever we can skip the convo i get it

[wraith mantle]

fr?

[opal gulch]

dont try to understand that backwards logic bro

[sage temple]

Yeah america is all that matters Oda shouldn't follow the rules of the place he was born and raised in

He should assimilate himself quickly or we'll have some problems

[opal gulch]

or we just make theese two people not underaged in the story and skip that whole thing

[lofty fern]

I would talk with some Japanese women about marrying and attractiveness and such, and their ideal marrying age is a lot younger than in America in modern day. It actually reminds me more of how America would view it in say the 50s

[wraith mantle]

interesting

[sage temple]

Yeah just say the same thing as me and act like it's a different option

[opal gulch]

i mean if we agree then why are we argueing??

[wraith mantle]

wonder if they think 16 yos should get married tho

[lofty fern]

I get past it by imagining OP is a historical fantasy. So the same reason I don't get mad at young marriages in Austen novels, I don't get mad at it here

[rich hornet]

Why all the posturing? We’re not going to overhaul Japanese or even manga culture in this discord lol It is what it is

[hazy turret]

the age of marriage is 18 now in japan so

oda better get with the times

[opal gulch]

point is that she is 16 and loki is over 60 but in human years would be 21... its strange

[wraith mantle]

sanji and potentially loki will be in impel down by eos

[sage temple]

Not really

[lofty fern]

16 is a bit young. They're ideal is usually between 18 and 24

[sage temple]

Colun is 20 in human years does that mean it should be appropriate for him to marry a 20 year old human

[rich hornet]

It’s a fantasy story. What’s strange is dwelling on it

[hazy turret]

romance hasnt been established between shirahoshi and loki yet so theres no need to be defending it so hard breh

[sage temple]

Loki being 63 in human years doesn't really matter since he isn't a human

[rich hornet]

This is the thing

[lofty fern]

Mentally, Loki is in his 20s, so I would go with that. The only issue with that is that Shirahoshi will out grow him mentally and physically rather fast

[wraith mantle]

I see

[grand flower]

nah fr

[hazy turret]

either way, all of that age stuff aside, i wonder how they got into contact with each other anyways

[grand flower]

i wouldn't say that's the only issue

[sage temple]

https://tenor.com/view/papacy-papa-pope-leo-xiv-ring-of-fisherman-gif-16472066304115808028

[lofty fern]

Eh, it's the biggest one. Merpeople mating with humans has already been done. A giant should be fine

[lofty fern]

Da Pope

[olive sigil]

We have met a giant fishman hybrid before

Big pan

[sage temple]

You don't know Da Big P like that bro 😭

[steel stirrup]

Fuck that

[trim lily]

i assume harald and neptune might’ve had a den den mushi to communicate but i have no clue how both would end in up the hands of their kids

[rich hornet]

We’ll see soon

[trim lily]

i guess maybe neptune wouldn’t think it’s that big a deal for shirahoshi to have someone talk to

[sage temple]

Ethnocentrism

[lofty fern]

I'm from Chicago and the man used to work at my school, so I'm closer to him than probably most on here 😝

[steel stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/nooo-bunny-gif-17809281831483726478

[rich hornet]

Can you get him to chill out whatever spell he put on the bears?

[steel stirrup]

Idc im not fw the child marriage angle, I'd be cool with them being friends or whatever

[hazy turret]

you dont get it, its okay because its japan
if it were some non-sugoi third world country his ass would not be defending it

[wraith mantle]

you dont respect their culture?

smh

[steel stirrup]

💀🤦🏾‍♂️

[hazy turret]

[sage temple]

No need to suggest it either

[tranquil blade]

So if a culture is okay with a 13 year old getting married, we should accept that? Is that what you believe Socrates? Is that acceptable to you?

[steel stirrup]

Culture huh

[sage temple]

If a culture's marriage age is 21, should they look at the US the same way just because it's 3 years younger than what they're used to?

[tranquil blade]

I'll take that as a yes

[sage temple]

Still there's nothing wrong with what Oda's doing it's more to do with the people who set up that age in the first place

[steel stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-among-us-drip-yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss-sa-gif-24946313

[hazy turret]

theyre saying 33 is when people have completely finished developing so i say we gotta start pushing these ages EVEN FURTHER BACK

[steel stirrup]

Is THIS the hill you choose?

[rich hornet]

Well Oda does have a choice not to make his bikini clad anime girls 16

[hazy turret]

or forward?

[steel stirrup]

Whatever

[sage temple]

Thought we were talking about marriage

[steel stirrup]

🤦🏾‍♂️

[hazy turret]

this topic is just a pain

[fluid cedar]

He is appealing to his japanese audience

[rich hornet]

Just in general, he’s not very progressive on toning down the perv stuff

[sage temple]

[steel stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-i-show-speed-ishowspeed-early-stream-ishowspeed-angry-ishowspeed-mad-gif-5219939373249069265

[rich hornet]

He’s a leader in the industry, so he could lead the charge if he wanted

[grand flower]

What the fuck

[steel stirrup]

😭😭

Blood

[hazy turret]

this isnt agenda brainrot, its stright up agenda brain tumor

[steel stirrup]

I cannot fathom why bro chose this hill

Like why

[pale trail]

Don't go there bro

[steel stirrup]

Nigga too late

[hazy turret]

dude could be denying that theres anything romantic going on but nah

[frail kindle]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-bart-simpson-grampa-simpson-old-man-hi-bye-gif-8390063

[steel stirrup]

😭😭

Like I dont understand

Why THIS hill

[sage temple]

Because there are plenty of people suggesting that there is

And the same happened with Sanji and someone from Wci

[steel stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/hell-no-oh-no-hu-what-popcorn-gif-12325900934325026511

[hazy turret]

every chapter, agenda piece takes the life (and sanity) of an innocent one piece fan

[urban lodge]

They've supposedly known each other for years though

[hazy turret]

yup, the marriage that sanji was forced into and pudding, the one girl sanji was completely normal around

[sage temple]

I don't think years was said between them

[urban lodge]

Idk if he says years but he says a long time

[wraith mantle]

loki and mosamosa never met in person right?

only on the den den mushi

[hot cairn]

“non sugoi” LMAO

[steel stirrup]

Loki says they've never met

But I think they've been talking the entire time hes been on lockdown

But iirc he says himself they never met

[wraith mantle]

i see i see

[steel stirrup]

Is this confirmation that Shirahoshi was telling Loki about what happened on Mariejois

[hazy turret]

has to be

[steel stirrup]

When he said "If I were there I would've destroyed them all for you"

[wraith mantle]

why would she be up in the holy land

[steel stirrup]

Either that or the SHs coming to FMI

[urban lodge]

Bruh

Khalid...

[steel stirrup]

Reverie

[wraith mantle]

isnt the reverie over

[fluid cedar]

two piece reader

[urban lodge]

Charlos trying to enslave her

[steel stirrup]

Neptune brought his family as a show of good faith but the CDs did CD tings

[wraith mantle]

no way its still happening

[urban lodge]

That's what the traumatic event would be

[steel stirrup]

Nah

[urban lodge]

The reason she had to leave would be something else

[steel stirrup]

She's back at Ryukogu now

[sterile jungle]

shes not calling him from the holy land, shes back home telling him about it\

no?

[steel stirrup]

Yes

[urban lodge]

Yes

[wraith mantle]

oh she just telling him what happened to her

[steel stirrup]

Yep

[wraith mantle]

i thought yall were talking about she was telling him about the fire in the holy land currently

the same shit imu was talking about

[steel stirrup]

Im assuming that that is the situation she was telling him about that made him say he would've crashed out for her

[sterile jungle]

yeah idk what else it would be

[urban lodge]

I hope Charlos gets flattened again but by ragnir

[sterile jungle]

im assumign there isnt another event that happened during the reverie\ we havent seen

[wraith mantle]

i think the fire imu is talking about is not related to the reverie

[steel stirrup]

Nah those are different situations the Reverie is over we saw everyone go back to their kingdoms that was when Lulusia was erased because King Seki(?) had just gotten home when they overthrew him

[steel stirrup]

That situation isnt involved with Shirahoshi its most likely a few tings happening at once in the world while we reminisce

[steel stirrup]

Facts

I hate how bro is still alive tbh

[wraith mantle]

i see

[fluid cedar]

Charlos got ussops durability he won’t die to that

[graceful grove]

yea at this point you have to count it as a feat

[pulsar timber]

Yc0 charlos

[sterile jungle]

celestial dragon scaling

[fluid cedar]

He is shanks uncle afterall

[sterile jungle]

yeah theyre all related

inbred

[pulsar timber]

Charloss got better endurance than garling

[wraith mantle]

yeah this makes sense if it was shirahoshi talking about the reverie incident

[sterile jungle]

i wonder like how much theyve told eachother about themselves

[urban lodge]

The only thing I can think of here is maybe BB going after her

[pulsar timber]

I hate that fat bitch

He better not touch shirahoshi

[wraith mantle]

mosamosa feels more articulate than shirahoshi lol

[pulsar timber]

So they’ve been contacting each other for 6 years?

I don’t remember

[wraith mantle]

caribou probably told teech about shirahoshi/poseidon and wano/pluton by now
interesting that bb will go after her instead of wano

[steel stirrup]

Fuck around

But he'll definitely end up losing her

But we may get to see how destructive her power can be if he uses it once or twice

[wraith mantle]

damn this spread went hard

[sage temple]

Same flames in the bg

Gotta know what these are

[urban lodge]

I'm already sure Loki would hate BB because of how different he is from Rocks but this gives him even more reason to hate him

[graceful grove]

BB would move for both. it makes no logical sense for a full DF crew to go after her and not a completely weakened Wano that might as well roll out the red carpet for him

[steel stirrup]

Ngl I think Loki is gonna end up fighting BB

[frigid gulch]

Loki: “you aren’t Rocks”

[shell scroll]

"you arent him"

[graceful grove]

nah the list of ppl that need to fight BB is too long. Loki has no place in it

[shell scroll]

i hope he says ur a failure and one taps like swatting a fly

[graceful grove]

unfortunately if Shanks can take him out, BB won't loose to him

[steel stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/leonardo-dicaprio-absolutely-fucking-not-absolutely-not-leo-dicaprio-gif-9364097

If you think Loki is just immediately winning you are tripping.

Loki hasnt even thrown a punch yet lol chill

[shell scroll]

i know

im just joking around this isnt manga serious

[graceful grove]

xd

[sage temple]

Plenty of feats already though

And he still has a legendary df

[graceful grove]

hopefully next chapter we dive into the DFs

[steel stirrup]

😂

[sage temple]

Next chapter I bet we're seeing the castle incident

[steel stirrup]

Finally

[random hinge]

how it's been these days

[graceful grove]

plz don't let the DF in elbaf be nika df

[sage temple]

It's starting to seem like Loki kiled a buffed Harald which I'm excited for

[shell scroll]

hes the next kuma starting everything

[graceful grove]

thats too far

never compare the rat to Kuma

[shell scroll]

kuma is the goat ur right

[hazy turret]

Meant to send this earlier but something came up and I forgor 💔

[shell scroll]

shanks just progresses the side stories

[warm fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/mihawk-one-piece-agenda-piece-mihawk-upscale-mrbeep-gif-4652002396828019758

[hazy turret]

Someone needs to kill this dude and I’m not even kidding in the slightest

[warm fossil]

as a mihawk fan I've accepted that I'll just never lose

it's all upscales

[pulsar timber]

Shanks is the goat

[shell scroll]

does bb scratch mihawk

[warm fossil]

and oda will never feature him doing anything so he can't have anti feats

[pulsar timber]

Blackbeard beats mihawk

[warm fossil]

perhaps but he won't

[hazy turret]

Gorosei of all time

[pulsar timber]

Greatest of all time

[hazy turret]

Grossest of all time

[pulsar timber]

All haters are bums

https://tenor.com/view/shanks-shanks-laughs-shank-laugh-laughing-gif-6754232244839670430

[graceful grove]

mihawk will not downscale since he chose to follow the one person that will carry him to the end xd

[warm fossil]

oda is clearly giving us this shanks flashback now so he can die next arc

it's so peak

[hazy turret]

He is THEE bum

[pulsar timber]

Nobody scared of Fatbeard

[urban lodge]

Believing Shanks will die in almost big 2026...

[warm fossil]

oda has given me hope again

[pulsar timber]

This channel got the worst takes

[steel stirrup]

Ya boy arranged a whole meeting to warn the Strongest Man in the World about bro but ok

[grand flower]

Garling probably is

[graceful grove]

ill subscribe to Odas OF if he actually kills Shanks. i dont think he has it in him

[pulsar timber]

I’m not scared my king isn’t scared

[hazy turret]

Shanks literally thrives off of other peoples hard work. He’s a nepo baby who walks through the world believing he is entitled to everything because he thinks he knows what’s best for everyone

[hazy turret]

Everything he has was handed to him

He’s never worked for anything in his LIFE

[pulsar timber]

We fine in the west

[shell scroll]

where is shanks rn

[pulsar timber]

Shanks is on his way to kill the burn scar man

[warm fossil]

supposedly still falling to find BB

[brittle basin]

as easy as breathing for him. curious.

[warm fossil]

tho clearly not trying his hardest

[hazy turret]

Running away from BB

[steel stirrup]

Looking for Blackbeard everywhere but where BBs base of operations is

[shell scroll]

what a guy

[steel stirrup]

[hazy turret]

His ass was NOT acting here

[wraith mantle]

you wanna return to the holy land? shanks can just walk right back in

doffy killed his own dad and that wasn't enough to make him return home

[warm fossil]

if shanks wasn't a pussy he'd have fought BB 10 arcs ago

[sage temple]

Soon he'll be humbled once he gets pushed to ext diff against Loki

[frigid gulch]

[graceful grove]

he just blatantly don't want to fight him. knows exactly where he lives but won't go there

[pulsar timber]

Shanks knows not to have haste when facing odas golden boy

[steel stirrup]

Homing left willingly

Shanks was "taken"

[hazy turret]

https://tenor.com/view/ilgbtenha-stantwt-stan-twt-dude-nobody-invited-funny-gif-2432697925408331078

[steel stirrup]

😭

[wraith mantle]

homing left but doffy wanted back

[warm fossil]

pretty sure hes not fighting sanji

[pulsar timber]

No it’s Blackbeard

Odas favorite character

[steel stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-hysterically-gif-23860185

[brittle basin]

Nami is Oda's favorite character

[urban lodge]

His real favorite is Buggy at least

[sage temple]

Be aware of it

[shell scroll]

Nami is the fav yh

[steel stirrup]

Odas fav is Buggy

His favorite pirate is BB tho

[frigid gulch]

What about Ida

[olive sigil]

His favourite is gaimon

[shell scroll]

idea doesnt look like nami so no

[pulsar timber]

The golden boy of onepiece is Blackbeard

[warm fossil]

if nami was actually odas favourite she would start actually doing things

[urban lodge]

And that's why Buggy will be the real king of the world

[pulsar timber]

I count down the days until his death

[brittle basin]

she's dying because he hates her

[hazy turret]

Silhouette from Hajrudin retelling the story 💔

[frigid gulch]

[shell scroll]

doesnt have to

[warm fossil]

Ida is a pretty lame character I gotta say

[steel stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/speed-laugh-ishowspeed-pops-cry-gif-10620065923649293004

[olive sigil]

Oda is keeping her away from danger

[shell scroll]

to keep her safe

[olive sigil]

Can we ban apoowithpoo please

[frigid gulch]

Bro called her “foreign hag”

[hazy turret]

They’re gonna hang you at the gallows for this one twin

[urban lodge]

Prepare yourself

[shell scroll]

yeah estrid had better character

[urban lodge]

You know I'm not joking and neither is Oda

[graceful grove]

ahahaha this reminds me of my siblings. we call each other our moms golden child even though one clearly is

[steel stirrup]

Every time they sail to an island and don't get lost or fucking die, Nami did something...

[frigid gulch]

sounds just like Rocks calling his mom “old hag”

[steel stirrup]

Wym

[sage temple]

That just isn't Hajrudin 💔

[royal orchid]

what's with japan and hags

[shell scroll]

hags are scary

[brittle basin]

comments like this will be registered under "acts of terrorism" soon enough

[olive sigil]

Estrid is the real victim of elbaf

[hazy turret]

Is that panel not from the chapter with haj telling Luffy what happened

[warm fossil]

not my fault oda writes as her as the most unrealistically good person ever

[sage temple]

Almost exactly the same

[royal orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/deltarune-jackenstein-the-orville-cigarettes-your-taking-too-long-gif-14550997655119735694

[steel stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/mexican-hankerchief-gif-18479094

[graceful grove]

motherless behavior

[warm fossil]

it's not the first time but it is pretty extreme here

[wraith mantle]

how so

[brittle basin]

Buggy will sit Imu's throne, somehow, by sheer accident. it's perfect.

[urban lodge]

Don't say I didn't warn you when it happens

[olive sigil]

That blue baby gif is proof that estrid was right

[wraith mantle]

ida is not that fictional

[shell scroll]

yeah i see this

[hazy turret]

Mmm

[steel stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/bender-futurama-laugh-sarcastic-fun-gif-12163274

[wraith mantle]

plenty of people are anti violence, happy parents, willing to take in a toubled child

[urban lodge]

They never learn

[graceful grove]

thats where he will be when he streams the whole final war

[urban lodge]

They doubted yonko Buggy and here we are

[tropic nova]

who is the better character in your opinion

1️⃣ Estrid (rip)

2️⃣ Ida (rip?)

rokaya · Nov 29, 2025, 10:33 PM

[steel stirrup]

Ok

[sage temple]

Still had Loki doing Kaido level feats as a baby

[brittle basin]

Yeah, you're out of your mind if you think something important isn't waiting for Buggy.

[hazy turret]

Sorry adood

[warm fossil]

🥀

[royal orchid]

"the devil himself or jesus"

[hazy turret]

Socrates voting for estrid

[warm fossil]

people see a good person and think they're a good character

[wraith mantle]

if his daddy wasn't in god valley, he aint important

[frigid gulch]

Estrid lol

[hazy turret]

Something is seriously wrong with this kid

[frigid gulch]

Are we serious

[steel stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-hysterically-gif-23860185

[urban lodge]

She's both a good person and a good character

[hazy turret]

He’s voting for the character that Loki hated

[brittle basin]

Ida would give Jesus of Nazareth a run for his money.

[warm fossil]

it's like people claiming kuma as the greatest character ever and their explanation is his list of good deeds

[wraith mantle]

she made loki who he is today

thats why

[royal orchid]

adood only likes morally gray characters

[hazy turret]

So did Ida

[olive sigil]

If my baby looked like Kaido at birth I’d throw it off the cliff

[brittle basin]

Rocks was in God Valley though

[graceful grove]

feel bad for bro.

[wraith mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/stare-disappointed-mad-idris-elba-stringer-bell-gif-17916385

[sage temple]

I excersize the 1st

[shell scroll]

i read that as a dude only likes morally gay characters

[wraith mantle]

rocks is not responsible for that blue nosed clown

[sage temple]

Also Ida is just boring

[steel stirrup]

Socrates bro what are you doing?

[brittle basin]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/164970986284777473/1118973870947450980/1118883755336151180.gif

[sage temple]

What's the question

[steel stirrup]

SOCRATES WHAT ARE YOU DOING

[brittle basin]

Ida is a wonderful person

[sage temple]

Who's nicer or whos a better character

[warm fossil]

I mean no all my favourite characters across everything are just good guys

[graceful grove]

irrelevant

[sage temple]

https://tenor.com/view/lebron-nba-gdfactoryclips-confused-aura-gif-9583865821628002832

[wraith mantle]

Ida is just a chill person

literally

[steel stirrup]

HE JUST DESTROYED AN ENTIRE VILLAGE FOR HER SOCRATES WHAT ARE YOU DOING

[warm fossil]

but theyre real good guys not perfect human beings

[royal orchid]

a... hungry man thinks of bread?

https://tenor.com/view/cute-emoji-smiley-thinking-scratching-head-gif-17835192

[wraith mantle]

yall want every mother out there to abuse her child to be a good character

[steel stirrup]

Bro trippin

[sage temple]

What are you on abt

[graceful grove]

Ida is what Shakky thought she was

[royal orchid]

ida hated xebec so she's not perfect

[sage temple]

Ida is just boring

[urban lodge]

She is

[graceful grove]

in what context is she a better character ?

[hazy turret]

I thought we hated abusive women

[wraith mantle]

thats why shes only 9/10

[shell scroll]

im not hungry

[urban lodge]

That is exactly what makes her perfect

[brittle basin]

Ida is the Elbaf Otohime.

[warm fossil]

personally I just hate women in general

[hazy turret]

Fork found in kitchen

[steel stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/soobfad-druski-gif-25646977

[sage temple]

She's just a direct contrast of Estrid and she's boring

[royal orchid]

oh I am

I'm eating a nice turkey sandwich

[frozen aspen]

shanks

[brittle basin]

@pine scaffold and @pseudo gulch Y'all got some competition.

[warm fossil]

you know what's also found in kitchens

[tranquil blade]

Same

[steel stirrup]

Morally gay character

[brittle basin]

https://tenor.com/view/call-out-shout-out-ken-jeong-gif-3856558617789280823

[frozen aspen]

mods ban him

[steel stirrup]

😭😭

[tranquil blade]

chudood

[royal orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/twin-peaks-1990-title-david-lynch-mark-frost-gif-13922600173288184503

[frigid gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/larry-larry-baby-ai-baby-laughing-ai-baby-baby-gif-17394836155970552795

[sage temple]

Rich after sending a laughing gif or emoji at something not even remotely funny

Every 5 seconds

[graceful grove]

Estrids whole thing was throwing her kid out of a 90000000ft tree and die. thats about it

[sage temple]

The question wasn't asking who's nicer

[urban lodge]

#killtheaibaby

[brittle basin]

Estrid is just a piece of shit who would be swayed by Gweneth Paltrow's Goop company.

[wraith mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/baby-laugh-ai-baby-babyfryingme-baby-sob-folk-gif-18221933230434867320

[steel stirrup]

Just because you dont laugh doesn't mean it isnt funny. Maybe your sense of humor is trash?

[wraith mantle]

he smooth tho

[graceful grove]

im not talking about being nice. as a character, she didn't contribute much

[sage temple]

Hilarious bro

[graceful grove]

and i agrree Ida is boring

[sage temple]

Yeah which is why I think she's a worse character

[steel stirrup]

Hell yea

[shell scroll]

guys they are both boring

[tranquil blade]

It is getting old

[brittle basin]

The one thing Estrid proved was that something about Imu or the magic circles were something historical based on her feng shui

[steel stirrup]

True

[urban lodge]

Industry plant meme

[grand flower]

@sage temple wanna test your rizz?

[olive sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/cliff-lion-king-throwaway-throw-funny-gif-6008043

[warm fossil]

the baby gif is so garbage man

what happened to the gif game

[brittle basin]

Ida will be at the core of Loki forever. She will never die.

[sage temple]

https://tenor.com/view/homelander-gif-27532263

[grand flower]

damn

[steel stirrup]

No self confidence

[wraith mantle]

this would be yall's best character

[shell scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/jgmm-cat-meme-ragebait-cat-think-cat-ponder-gif-7034802297606826390

[steel stirrup]

😭😭

[tranquil blade]

Who is that

[sage temple]

Just remind me when you're talking about Loki

[graceful grove]

they need to take away internet access from kids under 18

[wraith mantle]

from a western series show, cant give details

[hazy turret]

Um I don’t actually. Food? Idk

[warm fossil]

I was a generational gif poster when I was a kid it's just skill issue

[frozen aspen]

ive only ever seen it on this server too

op fans love mid ig

[graceful grove]

nah this ho is top 10 worst moms

[wraith mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/larry-larry-baby-ai-baby-laughing-ai-baby-baby-gif-17394836155970552795

[warm fossil]

you should catch up on kitchen lore then

[brittle basin]

sometimes cleaning supplies beneath the sink

[wraith mantle]

yall talking alot of shit on the baby

[brittle basin]

the baby isn't real

it has no feelings

[tranquil blade]

Khalid aint you want that gif banned

[brittle basin]

well, we would ban him for posting it

[wraith mantle]

changed my mind

[frozen aspen]

ai slop enjoyer

[random hinge]

i ought to embed mute baby gif posters

[urban lodge]

Please do

[frozen aspen]

yes pls

[fallen meteor]

yes

[brittle basin]

but, yeah, the "baby" has obnoxious expressions clearly intended to infuriate anyone it's used on

[brittle basin]

i would be grateful

[frozen aspen]

its also ai so its automatically shit

[tranquil blade]

Maybe everyone who posts it after like right now can get embed muted

[brittle basin]

my Oda AI gifs are the only not shit ones. i do this to shame him

[frigid gulch]

moving like Sengoku rn

[hazy turret]

There’s only one good ai thing currently

[royal orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/jalen-hurts-jalen-hurts-meek-mill-i-used-to-pray-for-times-like-this-gif-13709870523385828441

[wraith mantle]

what is it

[hazy turret]

I probably can’t share it here

[wraith mantle]

why not

[hazy turret]

Not probably, definitely

[graceful grove]

one way to find out

[hazy turret]

Against the rules

[wraith mantle]

what rules does it break

[graceful grove]

who will punish u?

[steel stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/kick-dog-dog-meme-man-kick-cruel-gif-4421979767688470592

[royal orchid]

all of them

[hazy turret]

Politics

[tranquil blade]

Now I know what she means

[fallen meteor]

the dog apple gif

[royal orchid]

for the love of god rokaya dm me it

[steel stirrup]

Oh...

[graceful grove]

op is all about politics

[hazy turret]

WE ARE

ON THE CRUUUUISE

[fallen meteor]

oh

[wraith mantle]

is it an usopp upscale one

[olive sigil]

Marin

[steel stirrup]

😭😭

[olive sigil]

Marin

Marin

[graceful grove]

look at Harold selling his ass for political gain

[fallen meteor]

hello

[steel stirrup]

Bro

[urban lodge]

Char-
Charlos

[fallen meteor]

is it done

[olive sigil]

Did you see the news?

[fallen meteor]

the game is done i saw it

[olive sigil]

Did you see the drawing?

[fallen meteor]

yessss

fire as always

now i kinda want to win the next one to see what you will draw

[olive sigil]

So are you in on the next one?

[fallen meteor]

of course

[graceful grove]

it is true. i have more respect for Charlos now

[dense rapids]

This is the Fishman migrating to the sunlight tree before they were transformed into Fishman

[olive sigil]

I imagine you as Roberto Carlos

[fallen meteor]

this might be the best thing a person ever said about me

[royal orchid]

Marin doesn't have a leg??

[fallen meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/roberto-carlos-gif-7700826

[royal orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/fail-soccer-association-football-goalkeeper-gif-10964394

[brittle basin]

what transformed them and why? and does them turning into fishmen take away the beauty of having always been fishmen from the start?

[olive sigil]

@fallen meteor

You’re in

[pseudo gulch]

I beat the acccusations a long time ago

[brittle basin]

can turning into fishmen be used as additional act of hatred towards fishmen?

[dense rapids]

They were humans at first

[trim lily]

i don’t know if i’d use arlong as a legit source of information

[olive sigil]

You haven’t beat shit

[trim lily]

he’s a little biased

[graceful grove]

imagine the big soution for the world flooding is everyone turn into fishmen and live underwater only way jinbei achieve his ending racism dream

[brittle basin]

you got me there. this is so long ago, I have no memory of it. curious if Oda will retcon this.

[dense rapids]

It’s important

[royal orchid]

arlong is a bit of a supremacist

[olive sigil]

Now marin do you want the ranking?

[fallen meteor]

this game will be amazing

[fallen meteor]

i'm so ready

[trim lily]

fishmen essentially being cursed humans kind of lessens the message i feel

[brittle basin]

arlong could just be spewing propaganda to enact fishman supremacy as a superior and evolved species, but i'll just go with him being correct for now

[dense rapids]

It said Fishman went to the sunlight right because that was the only light

That’s what we’re seeing on the mural with the migration

[royal orchid]

game full of sweats smh

[olive sigil]

This is going to be so controversial

[trim lily]

huge drama

[royal orchid]

only one will be left alive

[fallen meteor]

the chapter ranking situation will be crazy

[brittle basin]

was this said in FMI?

[graceful grove]

nah

[dense rapids]

Arlong Park

Oh that

[brittle basin]

you have that panel, as well?

[dense rapids]

I think FMI

I’ve been looking for the panel but can’t remember who said it

[brittle basin]

FMI is all a blur to me

[dense rapids]

Arlong or Hody Jones

[royal orchid]

FMI is all a red blur to me

[graceful grove]

worst arc pts for a reason

[olive sigil]

@fallen meteor elbaf rankings after 1167:

1-Loki 1840 (chapter MVP)
2-Monkey D Luffy 1600
3-Davy D Xebec 1481
4-Gunko 1266
5-Scooper Gyattban 1254
6-Nico Robin and Harald 1234
7-Nami 1192
8-Shakuyaku 1156
9-Road 1142
10-Saint Shepard Sommers 1130

[brittle basin]

But Madame Sharlay

[trim lily]

road just barely in the top 10

[graceful grove]

sanji bleeding all over them ruins it

[fallen meteor]

i feel it was Loki or Shanks for this one, good shit

[brittle basin]

!lanji

[tropic nova]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/486983010025996299/704967169989148703/Lanji.png

[dense rapids]

FMI connects to the mural greatly

[brittle basin]

FMI at the very least connects to Gallela

[blazing depot]

I now believe the two sovereigns are Loki and Shirahoshi

[dense rapids]

Because the tree is the sunlight tree

[olive sigil]

I feel like shakky is the next one who will fall out

[blazing depot]

Punk Hazard more like

Location wise and it’s near

[dense rapids]

And the galleila come from Elbaph

[fallen meteor]

new theory theres a future panel of the mural hidden on the heaven realm and thats what changed Harald's mind about being a HK
!!!!!!!!

[brittle basin]

wait are you positive it is, or simply because someone painted it very yellow?

[dense rapids]

The gisnts built Noah for the Fishman

[dense rapids]

That’s official coloring

[brittle basin]

it already got colored?!

[olive sigil]

I feel bad for shanks but there can only be one mvp

[trim lily]

not the coloured manga

[dense rapids]

The tree is the brightest object for a reason I assume

[trim lily]

that’s for merch i’m pretty sure

[dense rapids]

Because it’s the sunlight tree

[brittle basin]

ah. well hopefully they get the colors right for merch

[dense rapids]

Yea but it’s official iirc

[iron oriole]

Thats what its called

"Sunlight Tree Eve"

[brittle basin]

i know of the eve

but i don't remember that specific tree in the mural being named. was there context I'm forgetting

[dense rapids]

It’s a mural of the sunlight tree on the Adam tree

[royal orchid]

one piece is problematic media

[iron oriole]

Oh right, nah nothing for that

[lofty fern]

Shanks was the MVP, sorry Loki

[dense rapids]

That’s probably what it looked like before the red line enclosed out

[royal orchid]

https://x.com/keiin_kei/status/1994644656110395479?t=LbY898usvmzQrrtA5Ml0UA&s=19

Keiin (@keiin_kei)

#ONEPIECE1167

X · Nov 29, 2025, 5:48 AM

[thick mango]

So rip to that fringe sham/shanks split mind theory I guess

[urban lodge]

He's making a haki projection of himself

[brittle basin]

when the mural first released, most assumed it was connected to devil fruits?

[trim lily]

man there’s been a lot of good shanks and shamrock fanart

makes for a fun dynamic with the knights too

[graceful grove]

it still can

[royal orchid]

I feel like I've been saying a lot of great fanart in general lately

[lofty fern]

I'd love for Sham to call him out on it.
"I knew you were lying the whole time. No one up here's that gung-ho."

[iron oriole]

Do you think the others sometimes slip up & call Shamrock "Shanks" & he gets mad at them

[trim lily]

the fanbase can be pretty good when you ignore the bad parts of it

[royal orchid]

literally 5 good fanart posts on my timeline rn

[graceful grove]

where all the DF originated from. wasn't meant to be taken but humans took it and got cursed

[trim lily]

that’d be great

[graceful grove]

that plays into adam n eve stuff from the big books

[olive sigil]

@fallen meteor
36- Shanks 525
115-Fisher Tiger 48 (tied with Yamon, Petermoo, Thormann and Asura)

[trim lily]

one piece is actually just a big bible allegory

we have the noah ark, world flooding, adam and eve, satan

[lofty fern]

Shamrock grew his hair out just so they wouldn't match

[royal orchid]

https://fixupx.com/yato_0410/status/1994708028839661570?t=B4lU-Uo4FdpA59fNb79dbw&s=19

夜ト (@yato_0410)

最近ハマってる加工

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FixupX · Nov 29, 2025, 10:00 AM

[dense rapids]

Impel Down Tower of Babel

[trim lily]

well i won’t go that far

[graceful grove]

not just bible xd its part of Quran too

[lofty fern]

I feel like the only link there is that it's a tower

[sage temple]

https://fixupx.com/MythColored/status/1994695243380527430/photo/1

Myth (@MythColored)

The incredibly mighty Loki 🐐 #onepiece #onepiece1167
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FixupX · Nov 29, 2025, 9:09 AM

[tranquil blade]

Impel Down is based on Dante's Inferno I would argue

[lofty fern]

It's more like the levels of hell

[trim lily]

yeah that seems to match better

[iron oriole]

Thats what makes it worse & angers him further when they slip up & call him "Shanks"

[royal orchid]

I thought that shit was Naruto on top

[blazing depot]

If Imu is a Satan analogue maybe they are a fallen angel or hero

[trim lily]

especially given it’s a punishment ward

[twilit escarp]

How are the points given ?

[sage temple]

Loki on toppp

[royal orchid]

Imu is one of the 4 skypiean gods

[sage temple]

👑

[royal orchid]

🗣️

[sage temple]

2025 was really Loki's year

[thick mango]

I totally forgot I was also making an elbaf point spreadsheet when you explained it to me. I should revisit that

[tranquil blade]

Yeah it's kinda obvious in my opinion it's meant to embody that with all the levels it has

[graceful grove]

if oda was a good writer, Usopp would replicate this with Yasopp. holding him by his deadbeat neck and his new hammer on other hand about to smash his head in

[royal orchid]

One Piece best selling manga of 2025 socrates who do you attribute this on

[iron oriole]

Me

[thick mango]

Weebs

[sage temple]

Loki

2025 was Loki's year

[royal orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/speechless-smoking-man-old-man-smoking-old-guy-smoking-old-man-cigarette-gif-16836230630449212567

[sage temple]

Is this next Ussop arc theory

[thick mango]

It's definitely a tight race between rocks and loki. Loki was the frontrunner but rocks might have come from behind to steal the show

[olive sigil]

It’s a big calculation. I have a points system involving what characters do in every chapter of the arc and this is the accumulation of the points within the arc

[sage temple]

Yeah but Loki has been the highest according to the chapter point sheet and arc importance

[graceful grove]

usopp arcs are dead. Oda thinks developing SHs that isn't the trio is boring

[olive sigil]

Oh I want to see the results

[dense rapids]

*rocks

[sage temple]

🤷‍♂️ Tuff luck for yall

[trim lily]

the more you think about it the more obvious it is, magellan literally looks like a demon and parts of it are called hell

[twilit escarp]

No Shanks in the top? Are you counting the flashback or just the events of Elbaph?

[sage temple]

I'm basing this off of both arc importance and Sanjuan's point sheet

[olive sigil]

Rocks had a good run but his time has ended

[thick mango]

I'd have to reread elbaf at this point there's only like 8 chapters in there then I forgot. But i do wanna reread elbaf soon. I probably will as soon as I'm on work holiday for the year

[sage temple]

So you can speak to the wall Buggy

[graceful grove]

eh not really. he is still getting weapon upgrades

[sage temple]

Yeah I hope that's true

[tranquil blade]

Also one of the lowest levels is the frozen hell level which is the lowest level of hell in dante's inferno

It's kinda weird that level 6 is just not that bad

[royal orchid]

are we thinking the end of flashback piece will be the half point of elbaf?

[tranquil blade]

Like everyone else is experiencing something worse than death but if you make it to level 6 it's just like kinda regular

[tranquil blade]

Probably

[trim lily]

yeah level 6 is super chill lmao

[tranquil blade]

or a little more than half

[trim lily]

as long as you don’t piss off magellan

[royal orchid]

except for when magellan kills you

[sage temple]

2 year arc

[trim lily]

doffy even gets newspapers

[sage temple]

Crazy

[trim lily]

they’re so nice

[tranquil blade]

Look if Doflamingo can manage to not get killed by him down there I dont think it's that bad

[trim lily]

magellan and doffy are besties at this point

[graceful grove]

maybe hell ain't so bad. trick is going there as one of the worst

[royal orchid]

doflamingo just lays on the ground and laughs

technically chilliest guy there

[tranquil blade]

He probably is also the most evil one there

[graceful grove]

he also gets spoon fed and ass wiped

better servivce than Loki had

[royal orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-magellan-magellan-one-piece-impel-down-scar-gif-16122473984274567469

[tranquil blade]

Especially since half the guys in level 6 escaped and a lot of the other guys died

[sage temple]

https://tenor.com/view/mom-will-smith-gif-27611677

[graceful grove]

they are all leaving soon

buggy is on his way

[tranquil blade]

Yeah it's about to be empty

[sage temple]

I wonder if 2026 will be Loki's arc too

[urban lodge]

Oda allowing Cross Guild to do something? No way

[tranquil blade]

Impel Down's reputation is gonna be cooked

[sage temple]

It sure feels like it with all this Rocks and Fruit setup

[graceful grove]

its cannon that loki was shitting in his own pants for years

[steel stirrup]

!animo

[sage temple]

It's canon that his cultists wipe his ass for him

[tropic nova]

Next episode comes out on <t:1764518400:F> <t:1764518400:R>. CR has been late recently so give it around 10-20 minutes (time zone adjusted)

[cunning narwhal]

i just wanna see crocodile do something man 😭

[shell scroll]

I wanna see him female

[graceful grove]

loki wouldn't do that. he is soft on the inside

[celest mauve]

what is that ugly-ass rocks face

[sage temple]

Yeah his cultists do it willingly

I never said Loki makes them do it

[cunning narwhal]

this has a youtube thumbnail vibe

[sage temple]

True

[sage temple]

What about this one

[tranquil blade]

He'll get Doflamingo out and then Doffy will immediately try to kill him

[cunning narwhal]

shit goes hard although i dont agree with the events of the 2nd panel 😭

[sage temple]

Lol

[trim lily]

doflamingo can join the crocodile and mihawk polycule

[sage temple]

Also I wonder how Loki got so ripped

Last time we saw him

Now

Gotta see that training regimen

I wish I had his physique

[trim lily]

probably the same one hajrudin had

they both look pretty similar

[sage temple]

Do we see Hajrudin's?

[trim lily]

uhh high meat diet

[sage temple]

Also it takes more weight training to develop a body like Loki's

Since he's so much taller

[dark nymph]

wonder how many more times Oda is gonna draw the Roger execution panel

[sage temple]

We'll probably see it at the end of op

[ashen perch]

Atleast 5 more times

[trim lily]

i wonder if we’ll ever see it from his perspective

[tranquil blade]

One of these times we'll learn something new about his execution

Somehow

[ashen perch]

Also Loki got more jacked as he grew older, it works that way in One Piece, no training required

[frozen aspen]

he really loves drawing that old man die

[trim lily]

every one piece character was in that crowd somehow

even imu

[sage temple]

I know but Oars and Oars Jr looked fat

[tranquil blade]

Roger wasnt even that old when he died tbh

[frozen aspen]

50+ is literally super unc

[tranquil blade]

Like he wasnt young but I thought he'd be in his 60's

"super unc"

[ashen perch]

I believe that one bit that the OPLA revealed about Garp being there right besides Roger is gonna be a real reveal someday

[sage temple]

They probably took steroids at a young age and gained the fat back later

[trim lily]

if you’re over 50 you’re basically dead already

[ashen perch]

Eh true but they're just built like that

[tranquil blade]

That was a rare instance where I think the live action may have actually improved upon the source material

[sage temple]

Loki endurance feat?

[tranquil blade]

Garp being there is good imo

[trim lily]

oars and oars jr are pure muscle like queen

[tranquil blade]

Also would explain why no one tried to break him out

[trim lily]

they’re not body builders

[ashen perch]

I think it is yea and I think its probably canon tbh

Its gonna be revealed during a Hachinosu War flashback

[trim lily]

garp was hidden just off screen all this time

[ashen perch]

So Garp's execution has more weight to it, seeing him land in that position after he was there to foresee Roger and Ace's executions

[tranquil blade]

He's gonna be standing like off to the side crying or something

or being shocked when Roger mentions the treasure

[ashen perch]

Oda has never actually drawn that scene properly despite all the times he has kinda shown it

[tranquil blade]

Oh it would give more weight to Marineford

[frozen aspen]

Garp dying and noone is coming for his ass

[tranquil blade]

Seeing his greatest rival and then his greatest rival's son be executed

[trim lily]

that’s actually kind of what i want

[ashen perch]

So there's an opportunity to add just anything to it

He already added so much with Chapter 0

[trim lily]

blackbeard executes garp live but this time there’s no chance for anyone to rescue him like with ace

[dark nymph]

chapter 0 and barto were the good ones

[ashen perch]

We had no clue that everybody from Shanks, Buggy, Mihawk, Moria, Dragon, etc were all there to witness it

There's gonna be more people there

[dark nymph]

roger execution panel info redraw list when

[tranquil blade]

Luffy's mom was in the crowd

[royal orchid]

I still can't believe oda used a non canon film to reveal canon information about shanks

[ashen perch]

I think Oda is waiting for the right moment to draw it properly, like a proper full circle from chapter one type of moment. Maybe it happens during a Shanks flashback, since his breakup with Buggy was a big event in the immediate follow up to it

Or during a Roger flashback but I think thats gonna be part of Shanks's too

[thick mango]

Do folks generally agree shanks freed Fisher tiger

[dark nymph]

5 more redraws starting to seem real now..

[thick mango]

Or facilitated his operation

[pine ridge]

100 push ups, 100 sit ups, 100 squats, and 10 km run

[ashen perch]

Ye it was definitely Shanks

[graceful belfry]

Seems to be both

[tranquil blade]

The fact that one of his eyes is covered it seems to be him

[ashen perch]

Not Shamrock, Shanks was wearing a bandage that Fisher Tiger seemingly managed to land a hit on too

[tranquil blade]

We even see Fisher Tiger grab his bandages

[thick mango]

Good shamrock would be more of a ridiculous twist than evil shanks

[graceful belfry]

Are people really debating this?

[ashen perch]

Well people have been thinking all sorts of things

Like Shamrock being Shanks

Or Shanks being Shamrock, idk which one it is

[graceful belfry]

Like a switching places type of deal?

[ashen perch]

Yeah

[thick mango]

They were walking side by side talking they can't be the same person anymore

[ashen perch]

Well the idea is that they're switching on purpose

[thick mango]

The idea that the guy who casually murdered his sons mother is participating in a secret good guy conspiracy is ridiculous imo

[ashen perch]

And when they were walking together, Shamrock was wearing the Gryphon on his side and Shanks was apparently wearing Cerberus? I don't really get it and this is just the good ol art inconsistency from Oda

[stone terrace]

This could easily be plot relevant

[tranquil blade]

It would catch me off guard if Shamrock was somehow in on it

[ashen perch]

Eh

[outer peak]

any idea as to why shamrock and shanks felt familiar to harald ? Am I missing something obivious ?

[frozen aspen]

I think he is probably gonna just be a less of an evil jerk than Garling but still on the evil scale

[graceful belfry]

So basically, Shanks goes to Mariejois and Shamrock goes back to the world below pretending to be Shanks? It’s an interesting idea but is there like, a theoretical reason for why they’d do that?

[tranquil blade]

No

[ashen perch]

Yea no

[frozen aspen]

yeah sure lets believe that cause why not

[tranquil blade]

There's literally no reason to do it

[graceful belfry]

Yeah idk. Seems like another instance of OP fans wanting to complicate the narrative where it isn’t needed

[stone terrace]

Sometimes people theorize for the sake of theorizing

[ashen perch]

We are missing something yeah, I think its just Harald meeting Roger and his crew at some point offscreen during the past 23 years

[thick mango]

It would be easier to just have shanks stay low and sham stay high. The swap accomplishes nothing and introduces unnecessary risk/complexity

[frozen aspen]

what if luffy found a rock

[brittle basin]

What if Luffy found Rocks?

[thick mango]

What if luffy looked up to rocks rather than roger

Would anything even change? Maybe a bit more planning/goal oriented instead of semi aimless adventure

[pseudo gulch]

I HAVE

Cow piece sucks btw

[frozen aspen]

Shamrock shows the same nasty behavior as Garling and the other HK/CDs ( attack a restrained loki, suggest they make a game out of taking elbaf children etc.) at the same time he does seem to care for shanks despite the fact that all the other CDs including Garling consider him a disgrace. You'd think he is either just as disgusted with him, mocking him or smth but no rather than that he gives off the imression that he is sad 🤔

[ashen perch]

Not sure why Oda skipped this honestly but maybe its addressed later

[stone terrace]

Well luffy would want to be king of the world

[frozen aspen]

he gets all the meat as king

[graceful belfry]

Oda’s leaving it ambiguous for the Shanks flashback in 4 years

[sage temple]

That's Loki

[ashen perch]

Possible

[ashen perch]

He'd be a dogshit character

[stone terrace]

No

[thick mango]

Why? Loki and bb are both awesome characters

[stone terrace]

Luffys version of king of the world would probably be something dumb anyway lol

Just like being king of the pirates is dumb

[frozen aspen]

rude

being king of the pirates is awesome

[ashen perch]

Also I am not sure if Shamrock really cares like that about Shanks? Well atleast not anymore, because he insulted him by pointing out that he was in love with the filth of the lower world or whatever. He only cared when he was willing to be the same as him.

[graceful belfry]

It’s gotta be what you said, though. I haven’t really considered the timeline much recently but, yeah. It’d be odd if they had met recently and Harald didn’t exactly remember him. Also the comment he made about Shamrock. He had to have met young Shanks

[dense rapids]

Shamrock probably feels like this

[frozen aspen]

from the way hebis shown reacting it seems like he does though even though he doesn't want to admit it

[fallen meteor]

bro garling has a cool ass hat on this panel

[thick mango]

Yes that's my default assumption until I hear otherwise. He's just little garling

[frozen aspen]

I got no idea what oda is cooking for shamrock but I don't think its gonna be a cartoonishly evil guy who is the opposite of Shanks bc that's Garlings job

[dense rapids]

His aura evaporated the moment he walked in the gorosei room

[distant vine]

We're starting a new chapter for this server. From now on its CONSTANT Shanks glaze every day!!!!!

[frozen aspen]

there is little point in introducing him into the story if they are just the same guy

[stone terrace]

All hail godking shanks

[dense rapids]

You can say the same about the other holy knights

[frozen aspen]

unfortunately I'm allergic to rats so I'll pass

[ashen perch]

Yea, just find it odd that Oda didn't set this up with us seeing Harald meet the Roger Pirates first but I guess he will just provide the context later on

[hazy turret]

Isn’t that why we blackbeard?

[thick mango]

He's the continuation of garlings will. It's a rejection of the idea that the younger generation might reform. It asserts the status quo will continue it not stopped by luffy

[dense rapids]

Harald gave the fmi poneglyph to Gaban

[frozen aspen]

that's not the same. They are all evil dipshits but Garling is connected to Shanks in a way the others aren't and deliberately shown to be shanks opposite

[brittle basin]

Gaban is not the burn scar man, it's an entirely new character Oda will introduce with a new flashback to explore.

[frozen aspen]

It would make little sense to introduce the exact same dynamic with Shamrock

[graceful belfry]

Yeah. During this flashback makes the most sense, now that I think about it

[dense rapids]

Only works if it’s inside the hammer

[ashen perch]

Is that really him caring about the man though? Both Gunko and Sham almost seemed insulted by someone even trying to figure out his connection with Shanks, like they would really prefer to not be associated with him honestly

[hazy turret]

[brittle basin]

classic Oda mislead smh

[ashen perch]

Gaban burn scar is the most boring option of alllllllll time

[sage temple]

Yea

[frozen aspen]

perhaps but we all know that Garling's "will" shall not pass. And rather than stop it by killing shamrock I'd be better if he breaks away from it on his own

[dense rapids]

Sometimes the most boring option is the right one

[brittle basin]

where did gaban park that black ship

[graceful belfry]

Also, I think we still have half a volume’s worth of flashback left. I didn’t feel as if Oda was skipping any beats or pacing things more quickly than the set precedent

[dense rapids]

Elbaph is huge

[stone terrace]

Ripley

[odd rune]

so why is he kind of shaped like...

[dense rapids]

That could’ve been where he was coming from in the beginning of the arc

[brittle basin]

does he use axes to make whirlpools?

[frozen aspen]

but thats just me ig

[graceful belfry]

[frozen aspen]

[hazy turret]

Penits

[frozen aspen]

kidd in 40 years from now

[ashen perch]

Id prefer if it wasn't right this time, and it won't be cause Oda is kinda smart even when he's washed and he wouldn't do that

[urban lodge]

The thing is it has to be the most recognizable thing about them, and it's not with Gaban

[hazy turret]

Arsal complaining about boring when his favorite strawhat is-