also-manga

[sturdy steeple]

Boa and her sisters*

[vale heath]

I’m telling you he has other interests with Shakky’s body

[lofty fern]

That would be interesting. I wouldn't be surprised if it was secretly Hancock and her sisters somehow

[latent hamlet]

The eye makes the last sword

Spirit sword

[solemn reef]

I hope not because if that’s the case why didn’t he free her from marijoa

[lofty fern]

Why do people keep asking that? It's not easy to do that. And he does help them in the end

[solemn reef]

[vale heath]

There’s more than one hole

[lofty fern]

We just learned that even Fisher Tiger couldn't do it on his own, he had to have help

[solemn reef]

What do u mean it’s not easy to do that whitebeard went all out to save his non biological son

[lofty fern]

That's not the holy land?

[solemn reef]

So did rocks

[solemn reef]

Regarless

[vale heath]

Yeah and it wasn’t easy

Both those people died

[urban lodge]

They both died lol

[latent hamlet]

WB had to send his entire army and he was losing that fight

[solemn reef]

Exactly

[lofty fern]

Rocks wasn't searching for anyone and didn't actually engage

[latent hamlet]

Rayleigh is just a guy
Dood was having a hard time against kizaru

[sturdy steeple]

I kind of like the idea of Boa being his daughter but in reality it’s OP. There are more people not related by blood here with family bonds for a reason.

[solemn reef]

I’m pretty sure he was younger when boa was in slavery

[vale heath]

What they mean by “it’s not easy” is “it’s not easy”

[latent hamlet]

OP loves the idea of inherited wills regardless of blood

[latent hamlet]

Still just 1 dood

[lofty fern]

Recently that's been going in reverse

[sturdy steeple]

?

I think at the core it’s still more prevalent.

[lofty fern]

We've been seeing way more people related than not

[solemn reef]

Like wouldn’t u give everything for ur children doesn’t matter if u know ur not winning

[vale heath]

Garp did not in fact give everything to his child

[lofty fern]

Also, did they even know what happened to the Boa sisters?

[solemn reef]

Literally saved him

[lofty fern]

If I remember right, they went off to have some adventures and got captured along the way or something

[sturdy steeple]

Yeah but I’m talking about an unconditional love type of thing.

[latent hamlet]

They were yoinked at sea ye

[sturdy steeple]

Real families appearing doesn’t take away from the fact that we still have more folks not related by blood with family bonds. With actual love.

[lofty fern]

So, they might not have even known what happened to them. It took them a year to find Shakky and they wouldn't even have known that if not for Ginny's message

[latent hamlet]

And it helped that the rocks pirates at least...valued shakky

[steel stirrup]

Found family is still the bigger theme here but I guess since Oda has a family now who knows

[sturdy steeple]

Yeah, they’re not non-existent

[lofty fern]

I find it basically balancing out personally. I think as post-TS Oda has been including more blood related families with love compared to pre-TS. This of course was because of his own changes in his own life.

[sturdy steeple]

Yeah, I can see that post-ts has more of them.

But like, for every blood related family there’s another not related.

And most of the times relatives die lol

[hazy turret]

Fellas!! Never give up!! Stalking and obsessing WILL win her over, TRUST!

[lofty fern]

I would not be surprised if the boa sisters are Shakky's kids, but for some reason or other they were not told that and grew up in Kuja society maybe as the people as a whole raised them? There has always been this connection between Hancock and Rayleigh

[steel stirrup]

Here we go with this shit again

[sturdy steeple]

Well, who knows

[latent hamlet]

Well rayleigh apparently helped em when they got out of the holy land right?

[sturdy steeple]

Queen is Franky’s daddy so anything is possible

[latent hamlet]

For their man hating ways, they're probably forever indebted to the guy who may have secured em passage home

[lofty fern]

Yeah, but you have to wonder how he was there in the first place? Its very interesting either way

[solemn reef]

No why man 😭

[latent hamlet]

Well
We know shanks is in the holy land confirmed
There's a non zero percent chance shanks was like "ray-san! Can you do me a solid?"

And rayleigh was on standby at the exit

And just coincidentally secured boa sisters and maybe a few others

[sturdy steeple]

Am I the only one who likes the idea of Franky being Queen’s son

It’s just funny to me

[urban lodge]

I'm indifferent

[latent hamlet]

Im not against it per say
But its just 1 of those
FUN FACTS, THIS IS COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT

[urban lodge]

It is undoubtedly very funny

[sturdy steeple]

Because like

[latent hamlet]

Its a meme basically

[sturdy steeple]

When you really think about it

Queen does behave like Franky in certain ways

[latent hamlet]

I think some would be infuriated because theres no franky queen dynamic or action

Granted
Queen probably gives 0 fucks

And even if they met he'd be like HAH, I'LL SHOW U CYBERNETICS THAT FAR SURPASS YOUR TRASH BODY

[solemn reef]

Oda couldn’t think of a backstory so just made queen his dad who is already done so he won’t have to bring it up

[sturdy steeple]

Consider this: Luffy and Dragon never interacted

[lofty fern]

It is interesting there because that would mean that Shanks knew Fisher would escape beforehand? AND that he knew the girls were there? Though then you have to ask why he didn't just do it himself? A lot of things have to work out for that to happen, but it's possible.

[sturdy steeple]

That’s the point of the found family tbh. Franky doesn’t give a shit about his father.

[lofty fern]

They have?

[solemn reef]

Dragon dies before meeting Luffy

[latent hamlet]

I dont think shanks knew it was fisher himself but given he was disguised and unlocked the armory its possible he was just on "patrol" and spotted an opportunity

[sturdy steeple]

At Loguetown? Yeah, that doesn’t count.

[digital spear]

Dragon vs Luffy next arc will be so hype

[latent hamlet]

I doubt the slave escape had a lot of "planned" elements

[solemn reef]

Dragon avoiding child support

[sturdy steeple]

Luffy hasn’t even seen his face. He never knew he had a father to begin with.

[latent hamlet]

More like "find opportunity in chaos"

[lofty fern]

And Dragon obviously interacted with his child as a baby, a connection was formed there. And yes Luffy saw Dragon's face at Logue town

[opal gulch]

is anyone confused about how the whole fisher tiger story went down, i thought he escaped, then returned by scaling the red line to save the slaves, was that whole thing just a retcon or a lie?

[serene plume]

tfw you open a one piece channel and people are talking about LUFFY and DRAGON and SHANKS (one piece characters)

https://tenor.com/view/jonah-hill-frustrated-wolf-of-wall-street-annoyed-smh-gif-9553858

[latent hamlet]

It very well could have been shanks moving around trying to find an opportunity for chaos, discovered fisher escaped, decided to aid him with the armory, which gave fisher the capability to free way more slaves and set fire to the holy land

That chaos alone drives the CDs and guards into a panic

[wraith mantle]

https://x.com/CpOverl/status/1994731835423952958

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🍶👒☘️

X · Nov 29, 2025, 11:35 AM

[solemn reef]

Dragon looks like super sayin 3

[lofty fern]

Oda does this very brilliant thing of even though Luffy doesn't know his father, he very much shows there is a love through that blood connection coming from Dragon. So both blood family and found family is represented in Luffy

[digital spear]

https://tenor.com/view/byuntear-lobo-lobisomem-werewolf-lobisomem-pidao-gif-5024427197428066691

[dense rapids]

I wonder if the Lunarians lived here, or if like the Hidden Cloud village there’s a village hidden inside the redline, similar to the underground city on the moon

[sturdy steeple]

So did Queen though. That’s something that happened offscreen.
And when did he see his face? I thought he was pinned down.

[sturdy steeple]

Well no, I’m not gonna argue that Dragon doesn’t love Luffy. He clearly does. But their interactions are close to zero now.
Luffy doesn’t really care about the guy.

[hot cairn]

https://x.com/37_BLUE_STN/status/1994778772839747830?s=20

subin ⚒️ G-16b (@37_BLUE_STN)

X · Nov 29, 2025, 2:41 PM

[opal gulch]

yeah but iirc he did escape on his own, left mary geoise. Then he felt bad, he returned and scaled the red line and infiltrated the holy land in order to save the slaves, last chapter contradicts that story

[craggy vapor]

this will never happen. Luffy doesn’t have any bond to Dragon

[solemn reef]

https://preview.redd.it/i-always-see-people-posting-about-how-dragon-looks-nothing-v0-enltfdbm66891.jpg?width=452&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5f2fcf56a190630bbc1f27192be0dfc2b10314c8

[opal gulch]

digging for gold

[muted hedge]

https://x.com/dubILLUST/status/1994768244591542421

Dub Illustrations (@dubILLUST)

Saint Shamrock and Saint Shanks

#ONEPIECE #ONEPIECE1167

X · Nov 29, 2025, 1:59 PM

[lofty fern]

I don't think it really matters if Luffy doesn't care.

[latent hamlet]

All the art of shanks and shammy but I'm waiting for the inevitable betrayal

"How could you do this brother!? You even told us how much u hated cheap beer and fried fish!"

"Those are my favorite foods!"

"U filth!"

[pine ridge]

what if they team up and shamrock is sometimes playing shanks

[muted hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/jackpot-devil-may-cry-gun-dante-pose-gif-14329655

[lofty fern]

Luffy's care also can come suddenly. If he sees Dragon is cool, it will just be a "Your cool!" and that's really all you need from Luffy

[opal gulch]

when shamrock was talking about his brother in the present he didnt seem that mad about him leaving to become a pirate, maybe he got over it quickly

[lofty fern]

Sham seems to be okay with Shanks even after he returned to the lower realm. He doesn't even disown him, which is surprising

[opal gulch]

dragon is just following his father's footsteps of not being a good dad, you saw his interaction when garp freed him from jail, didnt even bother sitting down with him to talk, just threw the key and left

[latent hamlet]

Maybe he's just indifferent

He might have been pissed in the moment but in the end he made his choice

Sham probably more concerned with serving Imu

No time or care for a foolish brother

[opal gulch]

yeah indifferent sounds about right

[wraith mantle]

based

we love a supportive uncle figure

[lofty fern]

Hard to say, Sham seems to hid his feelings behind a wall. He has resting indifference face in every scene we've seen him in. He never seems happy or even to enjoy much

[latent hamlet]

We'll see in the future but currently he's definitely indifferent. He's a man on a mission

Granted most of the HKs dont seem to be the "happy" types

[opal gulch]

hes a cult member they are all brainwashed to serve a black blob

[latent hamlet]

Besides Sommers but hes a crazy mfer

[lofty fern]

I actually beg to differ. We've seen Maffey, Sommers, Killy, and Garling all reallllllllyyyyy enjoy their work. Gunko is a bit indifferent there.

[opal gulch]

i want to feel bad for harald because he has good intentions, but man he is just so dumb

[muted hedge]

desperate

[latent hamlet]

I mean in the sense that they can enjoy what they do but they dont see to be the super joyful types

[lofty fern]

Harald's working with unknown information and he needs this to work out

[frozen aspen]

cute, dragons bum ass just had to loose one of them to a HK smh

[latent hamlet]

They're having whatever fun they can afford on their missions

[frozen aspen]

🙄

[lofty fern]

I mean in the fact that they really enjoy themselves and are showing their true emotions. Sham seems to just be having this mask up 98% of the time

[lofty fern]

https://tenor.com/view/jordan-stop-it-gif-15830202965985496707

[cold steppe]

People are going to be very disappointed when luffy and dragon meet

Because no one is going to care

[opal gulch]

its gonna be yo and hey and .... and high five and then they move on

[digital spear]

Well they wont be disappointed then

[stone terrace]

For luffy its gonna be the same as meeting saul

Dragon took care of sabo so hes a friend of luffy

[grand flower]

I wonder how come a revolutionary like Sabo talks about Garp with fondness

[stone terrace]

But its not going to be emotional for him in any way

[grand flower]

Hmmm

[latent hamlet]

Ye luffy is gonna be like "you took care of Sabo and Robin. Thanks a lot!"

And dragon is just "....you're welcome"

[grand flower]

Then Dragon turns around and cries

[digital spear]

Nah yall are just aurafarming thats boring

Luffy meets Dragon and cries because finally he meets his father and hes upset because he left him

Thats what gonna happen

[opal gulch]

highly doubt it, but he will probably cry when he meets shanks his real father figure

[lofty fern]

Oda's been digging into that family. I never thought we'd see Dragon like we did. I think Oda can make Luffy and Dragon work in a way that is believable.

[stone terrace]

Right and then luffy tames the demon inside him next

[digital spear]

Finally you get it

[stone terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/go-go-away-leave-bye-gtfo-gif-3530613

[grand flower]

People are saying he can't?

[frozen aspen]

first thing luffy does when meeting dragon is ask if garp stepped on his face

[digital spear]

People are boring

[stone terrace]

People want an artificial relationship

Thats not luffy lol

At best dragon can reach "nakama" level

[digital spear]

"Oooohhh Luffy is not going to CARE about Dragon even if hes his biological DEAD oooohhh so edgy and cool"

[grand flower]

what's possibly stopping him lol

[stone terrace]

But its never going to be what he has with ace and sabo

[opal gulch]

The proplem with luffy and dragon is that they are essentially strangers.. i can relate to it in a way since my father left before i could even remember him so there was no emotinal attatchment

[digital spear]

I hate One Piece fans

[lofty fern]

That Luffy will never care about Dragon. I don't think that Luffy will ever love Dragon as much as Dragon loves Luffy, but I think we can get to a level of care.

[grand flower]

Wow

So we're jsut pretending that luffy hasn't put his life on the line for people he's met that day

It doesn't take much for Luffy if he likes you lol

[lofty fern]

This is true

[grand flower]

Luffy's a social butterfly

[digital spear]

Dragon will buy Luffy a sandwich and Luffy is like OMG YAY DADDY

[vale heath]

Luffy caring that dragon is his father is bad.
Luffy caring about dragon for something dragon did that Luffy saw him do is fine.

[lofty fern]

I think he can care that Dragon is his father, its not that far out of place

[digital spear]

Luffy caring that dragon is his father is fine.
Luffy caring about dragon for something dragon did that Luffy saw him do is fine.

[frozen aspen]

luffy is gonna treat him like a friend

[grand flower]

I feel like Luffy would look at having a dad like he just got a cool new toy

[frozen aspen]

thats it

[stone terrace]

He DOESNT care

We already have mountains of evidence for this

[digital spear]

OH MY GOD YOURE ALL SO BORING

DIE ONE PIECE FANS DIE

[lofty fern]

Luffy's friends are his world so that would actually be a good thing

[stone terrace]

He will not care about dragon being his father

[digital spear]

AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH

ONE PIECE IS DEAD

[stone terrace]

You dont like one piece

https://tenor.com/view/butt-shake-gif-1690671815913087173

[grand flower]

damn we can't even let luffy and dragon meet and interact before we decide how luffy is gonna feel about him lmao

[opal gulch]

i also never felt like oda even tried to push for "once they meet its going to be hype" like we know its gonna be with shanks and luffy

[grand flower]

nothing is possible

[digital spear]

I am the only ome who likes One Piece

[grand flower]

everything is rigid

[vale heath]

In media there is this technique we can employ called “characterization”, whereby we take the past actions of a character, infer why those things were done, and then predict their reaction to events that haven’t happened based on what has.

[digital spear]

People wanna aurafarm so bad

[grand flower]

i think it'd be so funny if dragon becomes an entirely different person around luffy

he's all smiles and laughs

[lofty fern]

Oda has been having a big change when it comes to children and their fathers lately, I wouldn't be surprised if this hits the Monkey family as well in some capacity

[digital spear]

THIS IS PEAK oh sorry caps was still on

[frozen aspen]

yeah he loves his friend. Its just that they don't really have the type of relationship a parent and child have like say garp and dragon bc thwy don't know each other. So yeah Luffy doesn't care about him being his father but if they meet and he likes the guy then he'l still care for him a a person. Dunno why that's so hard to grasp

[opal gulch]

i just think it would go against both luffy and dragon's characters, two strangers that dont know each other showing some major emotions because they happen to be related

[digital spear]

Because everyone says it I cant hear it

[grand flower]

It'd probably mean a lot to Dragon that Luffy ends up liking him for a reason that isn't "Oh you're my dad so i just gotta"

[opal gulch]

yeah well dragon might care more i guess

[grand flower]

dragon undeniably cares more

[frozen aspen]

this fandom is full of norons so whatever

[digital spear]

We dunno that much about Dragons character

[pseudo gulch]

More than who

[digital spear]

Luffy

[pseudo gulch]

Yeah Luffy doesn't seem to care

[pseudo gulch]

Not in a bad way

[opal gulch]

no you are right, dragon clearly cares. Luffy just doesnt know him so dragon would have to step up and make an effort once they meet up

[grand flower]

Dragon clearly cares a lot for Luffy

[pseudo gulch]

He just isn't interested

[opal gulch]

yeah i remember thoose panels

[grand flower]

https://tenor.com/view/monster-versus-vs-alien-monster-vs-alien-gif-16037253809360562033

[frozen aspen]

dragon obviously does but luffy won't until he mets the guy and even then he'll just treat him like he does his friends. Its not that deep lol

[tranquil blade]

Well Dragon definitely cares about Luffy but idk if Luffy really gives a shit about Dragon

[stone terrace]

Dragon has been established to have a parental love for luffy yes

The inverse is not true

[frozen aspen]

luffy can't be arsed to care about a guy he never meet

[stone terrace]

So yes it will be interesting to see how dragon deals with that

[opal gulch]

what i mean is that some fathers dont know how to express themselves hence i thought their meetup might be awkward and not too impactful

[digital spear]

Luffy loves Dragon and prays for him every night

[jade rain]

Whether he feels for dragon or not, he would fight for them since sabo is there

[stone terrace]

But if you think dragon and luffy is gonna be like ace and whitebeard its just extreme cope

[frozen aspen]

the only way I see luffy being genuinely interested in the guy is if someone tells him that he got some sort of cool devil fruit

then he'd probably wanna see it

[fallen meteor]

Luffy meets Dragon but hes clearly pissed off Dragon isn't an actual dragon

[opal gulch]

luffy cares about his crew and anyone that gives him food

[tranquil blade]

If Dragon has a stag beetle zoan maybe Luffy will love him

[frozen aspen]

i'd be too

[opal gulch]

what if dragon would decide on their meetup to give him cherry pie

[latent hamlet]

Tbf i think we already did in loguetown
Dragon be like "do whatever ya want kid. Its your life"

[tranquil blade]

Off to a bad start already

[lofty fern]

We actually know quite a bit at this point. Everything we saw now as well as in his youth tells us a ton about who he is

[stone terrace]

Would it be cringe if dragon sacrificed himself for luffy

[tranquil blade]

but he would

So it's very very possible that it happens

[opal gulch]

i just hope he meets up with shanks before bb takes him out

[digital spear]

I mean about him as a father

[craggy vapor]

I want to see Rocks come alive only to neg diff Garling again.

[opal gulch]

we never saw rocks being stabbed so there is a chance he was taken by the WG

[craggy vapor]

But Silvers said “they killed him” in the VIZ translation

[frozen aspen]

ngl I hope this panel gets cleaned up in the volume bc I wanna see garling get neg diffed in high quality

[latent hamlet]

I doubt it. Lotta people tend to enjoy the sacrificial play.

[craggy vapor]

I wanna see this animated

[stone terrace]

Id be fine with it as long as its carried through

[opal gulch]

we have some missing panels for sure, the whole sequence of the HK pulling up to rocks, garling staring down rocks with a sword in hand ready to do the killing blow, black screen then somehow scopper and ray running awawy with garp and roger... did the hk's just ignore garp and roger and allow them to be taken... they were literally next to rocks

it might be nothing but who knows

[craggy vapor]

we need a director’s cut of the GV manga

[lofty fern]

Those same qualities apply to him as a father. He's is caring, he is loving, he is just, he can be stern and in over his head, he tries to see the best in people, all that applies

[latent hamlet]

Granted I dont think luffy would break down and go FAAATHERRR
HOW DARE U DO THIS TO MY DAD

[lofty fern]

He would 100% do it.

[stone terrace]

Well i know he would

[latent hamlet]

Dragon probably would give some "take it from here kid. Its up to u" vibe

[craggy vapor]

then why did he abandone him?

[lofty fern]

For the exact same reason

[latent hamlet]

This is one piece
Abandoning kids for your own agenda is the norm

[opal gulch]

dragon's goal and mission is bigger than luffy im afraid so i don't think he will unless he knows luffy will carry his will and take down the wg

[lofty fern]

He was willing to sacrifice the relationship he wanted with his child in order to protect them

[craggy vapor]

Great job. Luffy was nearly killed multiple times.

[latent hamlet]

Thats luffy getting himself into trouble

That aint dragon's fault lol

Hell when sengoku dropped the dad fact
Garp was like
"Bro's already got a 300 mil bounty. If anything this'll just bump up the price"

[lofty fern]

He 100% would if he was forced to, that's why he gave Luffy away in the first place. If say the WG got their hands on him, he would sacrifice himself in a heartbeat. That's why he tell Kuma if he keeps talking, he's going to kill him. If Luffy existance got out, it would ultimately lead to Dragon's death

[grand flower]

this hits different now @vital heart @pine scaffold

[craggy vapor]

Wait, didn’t Dragon tell Kuma, that Kuma is going to kill Dragon and not the other way around?

[lofty fern]

And yet, isn't dead. Luffy can now take care of himself, something Dragon acknowledges. Which is now why he's okay with people knowing he has a child

[lofty fern]

He was saying that if Kuma keeps having loose lips and talking about Dragon visiting his son, he is essentially going to kill Dragon, yes

[craggy vapor]

u think BB is a virgin who doesn’t have such weakness

[lofty fern]

All you need is the wrong person to hear, even someone in the RA who is say, dissatisfied or wants to take things into their own hands. Luffy would only be like 7 or so then. If the WG got their hands on Luffy, they basically would have Dragon caught

[remote maple]

what? BB is a virgin? 😭

[craggy vapor]

yea makes sense now

[dark nymph]

god valley definitely regained some of dragons aura

[craggy vapor]

the execute part was good

[lofty fern]

Child he couldn't save 😭
Though it is interesting how he sees Sabo compared to Luffy

[opal gulch]

Yeah i'm not sure, we saw what happened to ginny, she got kidnapped and they couldn't do anything about it. I'm not sure i buy into him willing to sacrifice all the work he has done with the revos even if it meant his son dying. He doesn't know that luffy has the nika fruit and is the next joyboy destined to find the once piece and save the world. He cares about his son and wants him safe but i dont think that trumps his cause to take out the wg. You say that if luffy existance got out he would be dead. He is already the most wanted person on the planet and they havent been able to catch him so that doesnt change anything

[craggy vapor]

yet we don’t know why he is the most wanted person cuz he got no feats

[olive sigil]

@lofty fern @hot cairn you're both in

[pulsar timber]

There’s probably some specific event that made him the worlds worst criminal

Or a series of major events

[lofty fern]

Ginny is not his son. If he wasn't willing to give up everything for his son, he wouldn't have said that line to Kuma. It wasn't that Kuma could cause LUFFY's death. He was saying that it would cause DRAGON's death. Dragon is saying that it wouldn't even be a question.

[lofty fern]

It's not about feats. Stop thinking with a meathead mindset. It's about his position as leading the single most enduring offense against the WG in their history, for nearly 30+ years

[opal gulch]

or the fact that they have freed multiple countries and that reallly fucks with the wg's power, more than some pirates pillaging towns and causing a ruckus.. changing peoples minds and ideology that threatens the wg way more i think

[lofty fern]

So we can start all over right?

[olive sigil]

Yeah you can now pick anyone

[remote maple]

what is this?

[lofty fern]

The One Piece survival game

[opal gulch]

That whole convo was just dragon expressing that he cares about his son, bunch of people already know about it

[lofty fern]

Yes, but it shows HOW much he cares about him. It shows what he's willing to give up for him, and yes, that includes his own life.

[opal gulch]

thats not how i read that conversation, he doesnt want to talk about luffy because he wants to protect him and was pissy when kuma brought him up

[olive sigil]

The one piece survivor game. This is the inscriptions for next season. Which starts on chapter 1169. We pick one character each week and if they’re in you survive, if they’re not you’re out. You can’t choose the same character twice so as time passes it becomes more and more difficult.

You want to play?

[lofty fern]

? "Pissy" really?

[remote maple]

hmmm

[craggy vapor]

y’all I’m sure Dragon will free Garp from prison to pay him back

[opal gulch]

yeah he wasnt happy when kuma brought his name up?

[hot cairn]

LETS GOOOO

[hot cairn]

yoo Caleb

what’s up man

[pulsar timber]

Hello Jesus

[hot cairn]

what did you think of the new chapter?

I thought you were official only now

[pulsar timber]

It’s pretty cool

[stone terrace]

After the second revolution the revos staged they probably started calling him that

[pulsar timber]

I was until every other chapter started getting spoiled for me so I just read both or whatever fancies my mood

More than half this arc has been spoiled for me

[opal gulch]

A highly organized group that has being able to avoid the wg and is making countries turn agains the wg is way more serious to the wg than some pirates, i dont think there was any specific event that made dragon the most wanted man

[pulsar timber]

For that threat to be taken seriously they’d have to have done major stuff. That’s usually what happens

And I don’t think he’s the most wanted man. Just the worst criminal

Idk which translation is better

[lofty fern]

Of course he wasn't happy, and that was because if Kuma kept taking it would cause a very bad situation that would threaten his son and would cause Dragon to have to step in and could put his life and his son's life very much in danger. The entire line about children being a parent's weakness is applying to HIM. Luffy is his greatest weakness.

[steel stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-tom-holland-yoink-gif-11346283

[lofty fern]

I actually expected this too, in the chapter. I was pleasantly surprised.
https://x.com/HLONE303/status/1994456876910571560?s=20

H Lone (@HLONE303)

#OnePiece1167

Btw I loved this little moment. I thought he was gonna be a bully and be mean to Shanks. But seems like Shamrock actually cared for his little twin brother. Makes him an even more intriguing character.

X · Nov 28, 2025, 5:22 PM

[steel stirrup]

Why are his eyes so far apart

[rose rune]

gravitational pull

[opal gulch]

Or he doesn't trust his little brother yet

[stone terrace]

Even as a baby shamrock was the stoic one

I wonder if he'll show more personality

[alpine trench]

shamrocks cried

shanks didnt

baby shanks >>>

[pulsar timber]

Shamrock is gonna be an all time character

[steel stirrup]

These mfs who want One Piece to be Parent Trap pmo

[vale heath]

Coughing baby vs Crying baby

[digital spear]

He did?

[steel stirrup]

All I see is Zoro with hair

[digital spear]

I thought both babies were quiet

https://tenor.com/view/baby-smile-baby-speed-baby-trying-not-to-laugh-baby-laugh-blue-baby-gif-10135956261563826109

[alpine trench]

when he was held up by that sunglasses holy knight

[steel stirrup]

Shanks was knocked out for a sec so ik he was quiet

[opal gulch]

I don't think we have seen a single panel with shamrock reallly showing any big emotion, maybe that panel where we see him do a secret meeting with the gorosei back in the reverie arc

[pulsar timber]

So shanks helped fisher tiger

[steel stirrup]

Her name is Maffey

[pulsar timber]

That was nice lore

[digital spear]

yea

[alpine trench]

yeah maffey

[digital spear]

I knew wed get more conetxt to fisher tiger

[steel stirrup]

It explains a lot because how tf did FT do any of that.

[pulsar timber]

Undercover shanks is dope. As is the tiers within imus ranks

[steel stirrup]

Shanks getting an Oscar soon

And yea the contract ting is fire

Sea God/Devil lookin more real

[digital spear]

Shanks is Leonardo D. Caprio in Django Unchained

[brittle basin]

https://tenor.com/view/how-do-you-do-fellow-kids-steve-buscemi-30rock-fellow-kids-one-of-us-gif-21904018

[opal gulch]

harald was sus about shanks acting

[steel stirrup]

Bro really bleeding for it so thats actually pretty accurate

[pulsar timber]

I honestly didn’t think shirahoshi was gonna be shaggy but I guess all the signs line up

[rose rune]

everyone in one piece is a zoro clone nowadays

[steel stirrup]

Leo should've won for that BTW before he won for Revenant

[brittle basin]

this one is soooo good

[digital spear]

Who did he lose it to in that year

[hazy turret]

It’s bullshit

[pulsar timber]

So shanks likely got his arm took off on purpose when the sea king chomped it

[steel stirrup]

I'd have to check hold on

[lofty fern]

Took it more as, "I know I've seen that face before somewhere..."

[pulsar timber]

How so

[steel stirrup]

Beautiful

[pulsar timber]

At first I thought shanks attacked fisher tiger and I was so confused

[opal gulch]

yeah probably but agenda piece is funny

[hazy turret]

It takes away from FT’s achievement

It was less him overcoming and more shanks letting it happen

[rose rune]

btw Buffers, did you see all my old man edits?

[steel stirrup]

He wasn't even nominated that year apparently

[lofty fern]

They were until they got seperated

[hazy turret]

Also muk notice how this chapter implies that FT freed the slaves at the same time he was escaping

[urban lodge]

Fisher tiger achieving that made no sense anyway after the introduction of the knights

It's fine

[lofty fern]

Most people did. It's a very interesting retcon

[steel stirrup]

We can agree on that

[pulsar timber]

I don’t see how. All shanks did was unlock the armory for him. Fisher tiger still had to shoulder the entire burden of blowing things up and helping everyone escape

[steel stirrup]

Because lmaoo

Ain't no way

[tranquil blade]

I mean what if he was just like that tho

[hot cairn]

damn that sucks

[steel stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/leonardo-dicaprio-absolutely-fucking-not-absolutely-not-leo-dicaprio-gif-9364097

[hazy turret]

I can’t believe this is the one thing people were expecting to be realistic

[steel stirrup]

He died to gunfire from fodder stop it

[urban lodge]

Oda would never let a fishman be like that

[hazy turret]

Slaves escaping and running away DO happen

[pulsar timber]

What does this mean

[steel stirrup]

Bro went out in the most fodder way possible

Of course he had help

[tranquil blade]

One piece fans love fishmen but they would never ever give any credit to one

[lofty fern]

It takes away a lot from the FT story. Like now, he didn't actually scale the red line, he didn't actually go back after coming back to FMI, and nothing would have been possible without Shanks' assisstance

[steel stirrup]

That aint me thats Oda

[digital spear]

Apparently it was Daniel Day-Lewis

[steel stirrup]

He lives Jinbe and thats it thats the list

[hazy turret]

In FMI, fisher tiger escapes and returns to FMI to tell Neptune and otohime he’s going to return to free the other slaves

[hot cairn]

did you see who his va is? Sounds amazing

[opal gulch]

"more realistic" The original lore that may be a retcon from oda was that fisher tiger managed to free himself and leave mary geoise. Then he felt bad about leaving his friends behind so he went back, scaled the red line, busted into the holy land and freed a bunch of slaves. Last chapter contradicts that

[steel stirrup]

Lincoln?

That movie?

[pulsar timber]

Oda washed?

[fluid cedar]

Oda forgot

[hazy turret]

Yes

[digital spear]

Why wouldnt we?

[pulsar timber]

I saw.tsuda is a hype actor to get for him

[ocean sigil]

Take my life away and give it to her 🥹

[steel stirrup]

It was 2013 right?

[digital spear]

Yes

[hot cairn]

don’t you mean Leonardo DiCaprio in The Departed? If he’s undercover

[tranquil blade]

Yeah there is something weird with the timeline because Boa says he scaled the red line himself at some point to free slaves

[steel stirrup]

Yea Lincoln

[digital spear]

Yes

[hazy turret]

Why is it so hard to believe a slave can escape on his own?

[steel stirrup]

Leo almost died for that Revenant win

[digital spear]

He can but then he also went on to free all the other slaves

[lofty fern]

The year is even off. FT returned from being a slave 16 years ago, not 15 and then goes back the next year

[fluid cedar]

They faked his backstory to make his escape sound greater than what it actually was

[hazy turret]

That was when he returned to the holy land. After escaping to FMI

[pseudo gulch]

He was goated like that tbf

[hot cairn]

I don’t know if I’m a fan of that

[steel stirrup]

Thats not a stretch but him climbing back up and all that is wild work

[urban lodge]

Fisher tiger lied about his backstory to sound more impressive

[lofty fern]

That was only because Shanks helped him and gave him the tools to do so

[hazy turret]

Didn’t Kuma do it too?

[steel stirrup]

Climb back up?

Or free himself

[pseudo gulch]

Oda can't go longer than 30 minutes without retconing something

[hazy turret]

THIS IS EHAT IM TALKING ABOUT

[pulsar timber]

You think it takes away from th original sacrifice im assuming

[hazy turret]

oh I’m pissed now

Shanks gets the credit for the slaves being freed now

[steel stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/whoa-take-it-easy-man-wait-gif-15995490

[tranquil blade]

No more...

https://tenor.com/view/d9luxe-cry-gif-300276708782576950

[steel stirrup]

They both get it imo

[hazy turret]

Everyone get on your knees and pucker up those lips to kiss Shanks’ ASS

[pseudo gulch]

Tiger probably could've saved some slaves even without Shanks

[pulsar timber]

Why does only Shanks get credit. Fisher tiger still had to accomplish the feat on his own. Shanks just unlocked his cuffs and allowed him to do so

[ashen perch]

it literally doesnt make sense for him to not return to FMI before going back to free the slaves again, its in direct contradiction of established events that we saw with our own eyes

[digital spear]

I was moreso talking about how he acted like a racist. Ive heard interviews about Leo saying how hard it was for him to say all that racist shit for the movie. He had trouble calling Samuel L. Jackson the N word and Samuel was like just do it bro

[pulsar timber]

Shaka. Yes Shaka

[hazy turret]

Shanks gave him all the tools he needed lol

[pseudo gulch]

Don't need to hear that twice 🧎‍♂️

[steel stirrup]

I think he could save a few but the amount he did was because of Shanks

[pseudo gulch]

Yeah for sure

[fluid cedar]

Shanks led him to the armory its not like he knew where it is

[pulsar timber]

The tools still need to be used.

[ashen perch]

not sure what Oda is thinking but he seriously needs to reread

[steel stirrup]

Oda retcon all ts

Tf is happening

[pseudo gulch]

It's the editors' fault, that's exactly their job

[ashen perch]

he is getting old and he is starting to forget things

[pulsar timber]

Oda is washed

[tranquil blade]

Oda? Needing to reread his own series? Wow

[steel stirrup]

I thought I was the only one confused on the timeline

[hazy turret]

And that’s what I mean by taking away some of that credit. Now some of it has to be given to shanks for helping. How it wouldn’t have been possible if it weren’t for him

[pseudo gulch]

"hey Oda this doesn't make sense, change it this way please"

[steel stirrup]

So it aint just me

[digital spear]

RETCON THIS WORLD ODA. SET US BACK TO ZERO

[pseudo gulch]

But they're probably too scared to say anything

[hot cairn]

nah it’s just kinda weird that he uses that specific moment to take his arm off. Why not cut it himself if he wanted to?

[urban lodge]

Maybe Hancock is just stupid and Fisher Tiger had brain damage so he didn't remember what exactly happened

[tranquil blade]

Is this an Araki forgot moment but for Oda? An OdaForgot moment?

[ashen perch]

people have been trying to make sense of the timeline and it just doesnt work

[pseudo gulch]

Let's not act like Oda is writing the series completely alone

[hazy turret]

Oda tampering with his own timeline just for some shanks hype and glaze. I’m sick to my stomach fam

[ashen perch]

Oda forgor 💀

[opal gulch]

I don't think anyone was throwing shade on fisher tiger or trying to steal his credit. People were simply wandering how he managed to pull all this off given the strict security in the holy land. He got help from shanks and i dont think that takes away from his feat.

[steel stirrup]

I didn't wanna say anything without further follow up and a reread but yea this timeline is off iirc

[pseudo gulch]

He has his faults but people around him are supposed to help with that

[urban lodge]

I will blame the JJK editor

[hot cairn]

yeah I remember that lol

[digital spear]

!coauthor

[pulsar timber]

Probably did not want to cut off his arm for any reason. The sea king gives him an excuse and he gets to teach a valuable lesson to Luffy

[tropic nova]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/833428729266438194/934422774737432606/unknown.png

[pseudo gulch]

Glazing so hard it creates plot holes

[pseudo gulch]

Greg wtf do your job

[steel stirrup]

LMAOOOOO LIKE WHAT IS GOING ONNNNN

Glazing yourself into a corner is wild work

[urban lodge]

But when he does that with Rocks y'all clap smh

[hazy turret]

Slave revolts happened all the time, and they didn’t always need or had help from the enemy. It was an impactful story that didn’t need to be messed around with

[steel stirrup]

All this for Shanks bruh

[stone terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/charli-damelio-lipstick-getting-ready-pretty-girl-gif-23087058

[steel stirrup]

Nah nah dont even try it

[tranquil blade]

We need to start having some uncomfortable conversations about red-haired shanks

[steel stirrup]

Rocks didnt ruin any timelines

[hazy turret]

I’m disgusted

[hazy turret]

Shameless, SHAMELESS

[urban lodge]

It's minor but there's the Hachinosu eyes thing

[steel stirrup]

Rocks didnt cause an entire plot hole like this😭Penny chill

[brittle basin]

Shanks does get some of the credit now. Without him, it's suggesting FT would've completely failed. That the fishman we all thought was able to pull off a grant heist of sorts, only did so 'cause of Shanks. It retroactively glorifies Shanks and lessens FT to some extent. We could've fully believed FT did it all because we've seen how imcompetent this WG can be.

[ashen perch]

another Oda forgor moment yeah

[pseudo gulch]

I'll allow it since it's Shanks

[lofty fern]

FIsher returns 16 years ago from an "adventure" which they don't find out until later is that he was enslaved for years. He then tells Neptune 15 years ago that he's going to return. A whole year went by.

[digital spear]

Man why is everyone talking about Fairtail now

[steel stirrup]

Trash

[brittle basin]

!shit

[pulsar timber]

What is the beehive eyes thing

[brittle basin]

!fairytail

[tropic nova]

💩

[brittle basin]

there it is

[ashen perch]

theres been too many of these, he hit level 50 and it instantly gave him CTE

[hazy turret]

SEE?

[ashen perch]

yup

[stone terrace]

Yea oda needs to wrap it up before he creates a plothole that can destroy the series

[pseudo gulch]

He gets a pass

[steel stirrup]

Im confused how the eyes are a plot hole

[pulsar timber]

It’s fine we can get murata to do a redraw of the chapter

[ashen perch]

I was giving him a pass for a lot of mistakes but this one is genuinely ridiculous

[hot cairn]

idk

[urban lodge]

The holes were already there in Kaido's flashback when he joins Rocks but we see Rocks creating them in this flashback after Kaido joined

[brittle basin]

Oda can just easily say in an SBS that "oh yeah he left and came back, I just didn't show it in the panels"

[hazy turret]

Call it, this chapter is getting some volume corrections OR Oda is doubling down in an SBS. Call it

[tranquil blade]

Kill Shanks

[brittle basin]

Oda will do what I said

[pulsar timber]

My goat has cte. Sad

[pseudo gulch]

I expect Oda (or any of his helpers/editors) to keep like a timeline with what happened every single year and I expect them to check that whenever they're drawing a flashback

[ashen perch]

okay 6 treasure chests turned into 9? whatever. BM's outfit changed? whatever. He forgot about 2 HKs in God Valley? wild but eh. But this? this is crazy CTE at work

[fluid cedar]

Pass it off as the sun pirates making up propaganda about fisher tiger being greater what than what he actually was

[brittle basin]

Oda will correct the information verbally and say "oh yeah he left and came back"

[pulsar timber]

I don’t see how this could be fixed in a volume

[pseudo gulch]

My expectations are probably too high

[hazy turret]

https://tenor.com/view/smiling-friends-pim-evil-kill-janitor-gif-6902512012168385541

[steel stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/hot-fuzz-shame-gif-26273082

[pulsar timber]

It’s not dialogue. It’s story beats

[ashen perch]

theres no propaganda tho, like we saw it with our own eyes

[brittle basin]

What is the lessen here folks? Don't make super long series.

[pulsar timber]

He’d have to redraw the whole chapter

[pseudo gulch]

Do you remember that one chapter in early Elbaf lol

[ashen perch]

oh yeah that too

[pseudo gulch]

There were so many mistakes we thought the straw hats were hallucinating lmfao

[hazy turret]

He adds a “1 year later” box idk man

[steel stirrup]

LMAOOO

[lofty fern]

Oda is his desire to glorify Shanks, kinda cut Fisher off at the knees. A slave can't free himself, the half-CD Blade of God had to help him 😏

[ashen perch]

yeah it was bad enough to make us speculate about Absinthe

[brittle basin]

That is still the most insane one to day 'cause it could've worked with the whole absinthe thing. The timing was perfect. But no, just brain damage taking its toll.

[ashen perch]

whole time it was Oda who was hallucinating

[hazy turret]

That was our sign. It was the beginning of the end…

[pseudo gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/lunarcord-goat-washed-goat-washing-goated-finobe-gif-15936998508567949580

[brittle basin]

Oda show take up chain smoking again, that was the secret to his early success.

[pulsar timber]

Oh is the problem the years? It can be fixed that easy? I’m a little lost to be honest

[rose rune]

the absinthe causes time dilation

[steel stirrup]

They were changing weapons every other panel and shit

[distant bane]

Ohh shanks is one cunning son of a bitch

[pulsar timber]

I haven’t been paying deeply attention to onepiece

[pseudo gulch]

Nah that was like when people who got rabies start to show signs of it, it was already too late to do anything

[stone terrace]

I didnt like how the "out of my way roger" thing never happened

[brittle basin]

Yeah this is how I see it.
"Ha! Take that 'ya filthy fishman!" - Evil Oda, circa 2025

[stone terrace]

Its not even like it wasnt shown

[hazy turret]

I don’t think so, shanks and them were reacting to all the slaves being freed

[opal gulch]

oda made a point that this event was unprecedented. It wasn't just some "slave revolt" they managed to get away with multiple slaves and set part of the holy land of fire thats no small feat. I don't think its a bad thing to wonder how it all went down. I for one was wondering for a long time how they let this thing even happen. It makes sense that he got help

[stone terrace]

It just straight up doesnt fit into the plot

[urban lodge]

Retcon Valley

[ashen perch]

we saw Fisher Tiger return 16 years ago, greet his fellow fishmen as they congratulate him on his adventure or whatever, then we later hear about the big incident he caused and we flashback to him talking about finally thinking of doing it with Neptune and Otohime

like theres no propaganda here

[lofty fern]

Some have suggested that Fisher climbed back up and then immediately got captured again, though I kinda don't like that narrative

[ashen perch]

whatever redditor made that up needs to reread too

[pseudo gulch]

I was convinced that was the explanation, there were way too many mistakes to be on accident

We're too naive...

[ashen perch]

well actually I also need to reread but this idea that this was all propaganda all along is just not true

[pulsar timber]

It’s over

[tranquil blade]

Propaganda? From who?

[steel stirrup]

I have to reread because this timeline is fucking with me

[hazy turret]

That post almost convinced me, the referenced chapter 622/623 but if you go back to 620 you see FT talking to Neptune and otohime

[pulsar timber]

Big Fishman

[lofty fern]

A lot of what's said is coming from the newspaper, so it's possible? But the timeline is still off

[stone terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/washed-athlete-gif-15353764746455234529

[hot cairn]

what is CTE?

[tranquil blade]

brain damage

[ashen perch]

for some reason, people think it was all a myth surrounding Fisher Tiger, generated by the slaves that were freed by him, even though thats in direct contradiction with what we saw

[digital spear]

One Piece facxts that not many know:

• Shanks gave Bellemere the idea to save Nami and Nojiko and raise them
• Shanks gave Zeff the idea to open a sea restaurant with Sanji and the bodypart Zeff ate was actually Shanks arm
• Shanks killed Kuina

[ashen perch]

yeah that one lol

[brittle basin]

a type of permanent brain damage sustained from years of blows to the head (think wrestling or American Football)

[pulsar timber]

Shanks is manipulating the story at an insane level

[pseudo gulch]

So the issue exactly is that Tiger freed the slaves 15 years ago in 1167 but in the FMI flashback it was 16 years ago right?

[ashen perch]

that conversation with Otohime and Neptune can't be made up

[pulsar timber]

He’s the real final villain

[tranquil blade]

Blackbeard please save One Piece

[pseudo gulch]

If Oda just changes the 15 to 16 does it fix it? Or would there still be plot holes?

[pseudo gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/picklejuicelover69-gif-1483426411005875907

[opal gulch]

oda does make mistakes and hes been writing this story for almost 30 years

[pulsar timber]

Blackbeard makes one piece worse when he’s onscreen

[pseudo gulch]

Yeah but again, he doesn't work on the story alone

[ashen perch]

the hachinosu eyes thing is so ridiculous that he will need to go full Murata redraw mode to fix it

[pseudo gulch]

People around him are supposed to help him with this stuff

[pseudo gulch]

What's that one? I forgot

[hot cairn]

ahh I see, thanks

[tranquil blade]

I mean at least the eyes thing isnt nearly as big of a plotpoint as the massive incident of FT freeing slaves

[ashen perch]

this one can be fixed by adding a transition line and pointing out that Fisher Tigher himself left 16 years ago and returned 15 years ago

[hazy turret]

What eyes thing

[pseudo gulch]

Maybe Oda thinks it's implied?

[wraith mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-1144-lucci-rob-rob-lucci-gif-18102215556776409432

[pseudo gulch]

idk I'm trying to justify this lol

[pulsar timber]

What volume is this

[pseudo gulch]

The one 1167 is in you mean?

[wraith mantle]

67???

[hazy turret]

I’ve already got my suit for the shanks downfall

[pseudo gulch]

113 I think

[pseudo gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/67-67-kid-edit-analog-horror-phonk-gif-3349401281762803381

[pulsar timber]

Why the shanks hate

[hot cairn]

nah that’s the one that just came out

[tranquil blade]

The holes in the hachinosu skull were already made by the time Kaido arrives to the island in his flashback, but arent there yet when he's already in the crew during the Rocks part of the flashback

[hot cairn]

1167 would be 114

[blazing mantle]

Rat haired

[pseudo gulch]

My bad

[blazing mantle]

Fisher tiger > Kid

Don’t forget

[wraith mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/baby-ai-130-backpack-supreme-backpack-baby-tuff-baby-meme-gif-2218754133828871165

[pulsar timber]

He’s ratting for the good guys

It’s ok

[pseudo gulch]

It's gonna stay in your closet for a while

[opal gulch]

do you remember one of the first chapters in elbaph that had the community baffled pointing out like 10 glaring mistakes, people theorized that the whole chapter or the place they were in was like some illusion, then either oda or some editor came out apologizing saying they made some errors... so sure they shouldnt make mistakes with all that staff but it still happens

[hot cairn]

there has been a lot of Shanks hate lately here

[pseudo gulch]

Until Teach ends him

[urban lodge]

Kill the AI baby

[blazing mantle]

Protect the ai baby

[pulsar timber]

This channel hates fun

[hazy turret]

Uhh like Oda forgot to draw them then?

[ashen perch]

During Kaido's flashback, the eyes in the skull already existed when Kaido came to Hachinosu, before he joined Xebec. In this flashback, Xebec is creating them after Kaido had already joined for some reason.

[pseudo gulch]

Yeah we were just talking about that chapter too lol

They ain't doing their job

[hazy turret]

It’s not our fault

[pulsar timber]

It is

Shanks is goated

[digital spear]

Oda is washed man

[ashen perch]

I am sure Oda thought that it looked cool for Xebec to create those skull holes, but blinded by aura farming, he forgot that it literally makes no sense timeline wise

[hazy turret]

He’s a Gary stu

[pseudo gulch]

Oda could've simply not have added that scene of Rocks creating them lmfao

[digital spear]

Stop reading One Piece

[hazy turret]

Never

[tranquil blade]

Well he drew them too early, he shouldve either not drawn them in Kaido's flashback or he shouldnt have shown Rocks making the holes in the skull when Kaido had already joined

[brittle basin]

Shanks Piece

[pseudo gulch]

I'd say it's an easy fix but the volume with Kaido's flashback came out already

[wraith mantle]

is shanks really a gary stu? we saw him snitching to the police

[brittle basin]

He needs to die now.

[wraith mantle]

hes a rat

[digital spear]

Nah Oda was like hell yeah

[ashen perch]

yea lol

[hazy turret]

Gotcha yeah

[sage temple]

Loki will push Shanks to extreme diff soon

[hazy turret]

Man who gives a shit about Loki

[pseudo gulch]

This is so cool it's worth it to have inconsistencies in my series

[wraith mantle]

think flashback will end with the castle incident, we won't see shanks low diffing loki

[digital spear]

You when he kills Shanks

[ashen perch]

Oda just thought "wow Xebec, I love him so much, I wanna make him aura farm so hard here, I cant stop, the JJK editor has possesed me, everything must be raw goat aura kino whatever"

[pseudo gulch]

NO ONE is talking about Loki rn

[hazy turret]

Literally just injecting Loki to everything WHO CARES

[ashen perch]

and he didnt stop to think about the timeline for one second during all this

[pseudo gulch]

He's loki right tho

[craggy vapor]

Not gonna make the mistake thrice. This is the Zelda producer.

[tranquil blade]

We gotta stop scapegoating this JJK editor

[hazy turret]

He’s going to get sent to cover story prison after this arc ends

[dapper tree]

Socrates has fallen too far

[pulsar timber]

I like shanks and Loki and rocks an kaido and big mom and whitebeard and roger and garp and not shiki

[brittle basin]

Oda trying to keep up with every godforsaken detail in this long series he intentionally added to make it even bigger.

[urban lodge]

No keep scapegoating the JJK editor

[ashen perch]

I will keep scapegoating the JJK editor for as long as I can

[digital spear]

Its true I was there Oda said it in these exact words in english language

[tranquil blade]

We dont even know what he's done

[dapper tree]

Socrates is starting to remind me of Jiren.

[urban lodge]

I will blame him for all the hype moments and aura

[pseudo gulch]

That's who that is!

[dapper tree]

[iron oriole]

Ehh its minor in the grand scheme

[ashen perch]

I am keeping the spirit of the old manga fan alive here, nobody scapegoats editors anymore

[pseudo gulch]

From hell to super hell

[ashen perch]

we need to go back to it

[tranquil blade]

He might be the reason all the good things in Elbaph have happened

[strong wadi]

He’s ishy but less rude but also less funny

[dapper tree]

Very true, lol

[urban lodge]

He's just as rude I think

[ashen perch]

Oda is the reason for all the good things in Elbaf, and the editor is the reason for all the bad things

[dapper tree]

Naw, not as rude

[hot cairn]

true

[pulsar timber]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-one-piece-anime-one-piece-animated-gifs-one-piece-red-haired-shanks-vs-eustass-captain-kidd-one-piece-whanks-gif-13460121518981160116

[tranquil blade]

He's maybe as rude but he wouldnt say slurs so he's probably not as bad

[pseudo gulch]

Nah no way lol

[ashen perch]

its just one thing after another, piling up

[wraith mantle]

was ishy actually rude?

[brittle basin]

Socrates, call Avery a slur.

[ashen perch]

this is Oda's 100th mistake of the year

[iron oriole]

Ehh minor mistakes aren't that big of a deal

[pseudo gulch]

ishy had the audacity to criticize Italian food while being british

[hazy turret]

God knows how much he wants to though

[iron oriole]

OP fans just like to blow things up

[ashen perch]

at some point, somebody gotta talk to him

[wraith mantle]

british cuisine is literally prison food

[frigid gulch]

Oda so quick to glaze these characters that he messes up the timelines

[pseudo gulch]

#also-manga message I didn't forget about this

[pulsar timber]

I’ll talk to Oda guys

[frigid gulch]

A disgrace

[alpine trench]

bro missed a few teeth so that the pasta could slide into his mouth real fast

[tranquil blade]

There is some okay british food but it's definitely on the lower end

[hot cairn]

sooo true

[hazy turret]

https://tenor.com/view/your-sick-to-my-stomach-fam-gif-6492871881177653589

[pulsar timber]

Me and Jesus are the only good people

[frigid gulch]

The Hachinosu thing is pretty minor but it burns in the latest chapter for sure

[hazy turret]

Somebody go smoke that yute 🗣️

[ashen perch]

minor mistakes are "I forgot to draw a beard", minor mistake is not "I forgot Fisher Tiger escaped 16 years ago, returned to FMI and had a whole conversation with Neptune and Otohime where he speaks of how much human nature disgusted him, and how he is going to free all the slaves he can, while Neptune says "he really did it huh" a year later"

[pseudo gulch]

This is how I'm gonna picture you in my head from now on

[digital spear]

wow ishy is deleted user rip

[tranquil blade]

Why does everyone hate Shiki what did he do to you

[pulsar path]

Damn did one piece sell the most manga this year or is the fakey

[ashen perch]

its true

[frigid gulch]

Lhiki

[digital spear]

people think its cool to hate Shiki (its not)

[pulsar timber]

Arsalwise is there anyway to fix this or would Oda have to redraw the chapter

[alpine trench]

i'm good too i love this place and how smart everyone here is haha

[pseudo gulch]

BACK WHERE WE BELONG

[ashen perch]

yeah thats real, OP is the highest selling this year

[pulsar timber]

Jjk saved one piece

[pulsar path]

Good!

[dapper tree]

One piece back on top

[wraith mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-1144-lucci-rob-rob-lucci-gif-18102215556776409432

[pseudo gulch]

2003-2006 🔥

Go read Slam Dunk

[pulsar timber]

I’ve got my eyes on you

[brittle basin]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/164971940648321024/1353846649348296765/image0.gif

[pulsar timber]

Who needs slam dunk when REAL is the best basketball manga

[digital spear]

People were finally cooking starting in 2019. Back to mid now

[pulsar path]

From demon slayer?

[wraith mantle]

detective conan had two good years huh??

[hot cairn]

fr

[pseudo gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/genius-smart-so-many-genius-this-server-has-so-many-geniuses-gif-17960640212511392691

[pulsar timber]

Brought us back to the top

[alpine trench]

you're the best person haha i'd never beef with you

[hazy turret]

ELBAF ON TOP

[ashen perch]

There is but its gonna need some heavy editing, you will have to make that scene of Fisher Tiger escaping happen a year before that scene where he is freeing all the slaves.

[wraith mantle]

also isn't demon slayer manga shit?

how was it a top seller

[digital spear]

One Piece, Nana, Death Note?

[pulsar timber]

https://tenor.com/view/death-stare-black-snake-moan-samuel-l-jackson-shocked-wide-eye-gif-7922961204564264622

[pulsar path]

Yeah I mean tbh two good years is actually pretty big on this list sort? I think Soo anyways lll

[frigid gulch]

Blue Lock had that World Cup PR

[tranquil blade]

I'd argue jjk was even worse than demon slayer

[wraith mantle]

wonder what arc it was on for these two years

[pulsar path]

Damn you like the dark three huh

[tranquil blade]

I could not forgive gege if you put a gun to my head

[alpine trench]

just an innocent person being a wonderful guy, you know that right

[digital spear]

More fun tho

[pseudo gulch]

I'm dumb, I read the wrong years lmfao

[ashen perch]

Oda is gonna have to go the Murata redraw route for the Hachinosu Eyes thing because theres no amount of editing fixing that

[digital spear]

[pulsar path]

I'm guessing its the first two? I'm not a huge Conan fan sadly

[stone terrace]

Blue lock 😭

[pseudo gulch]

1993-1996 🔥

[digital spear]

Yeah im dark and evil

[wraith mantle]

need to get back on it

it was pretty good from what i remember

[pulsar path]

Tbh I don't think we ever leaving till kiyoshi the ultimate exorcist is ready to take the mantle

[fallen meteor]

your evil counterpart:
yogurtonaplasticontainer

[ashen perch]

I actually dont like any of the series but my god Blue Lock being at the top even once is the worst

but anyways, maybe Oda needed to be a little washed and have a little CTE to go back to the top

[tranquil blade]

https://tenor.com/view/who-dat-snoop-gif-15116696

[pulsar timber]

Why would he be in cuffs again though. So basically add that scene, and have fisher tiger in the clothes he would have been in to go help them escape?

[pulsar path]

It is I just haven't had a chance to dice feel

[pulsar path]

Oda knows!

[pseudo gulch]

You're not ready for when Kagurabachi gets an anime

[hot cairn]

how would you guys rate the Elbaph arc so far?

[ashen perch]

year with the most mistakes of all time? he is back on top. This is the secret sauce

[pseudo gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/kagura-bachi-kagura-bachi-enten-tenoí-gif-13034349975614364202

[ashen perch]

oh yeah he is gonna have to do some redraws there too, yup

[pulsar path]

Someone was saying it might take next year cus the cup or what ever is happening

[pseudo gulch]

8/10

[urban lodge]

8/10 (it was 10/10 before the flashback)

[tranquil blade]

Kagurabachi is better than One Piece

[pulsar timber]

I don’t know what I rate elbaf I haven’t thought about it or one piece much outside of reading the chapters every week

[pseudo gulch]

Low bar

[fallen meteor]

67% better

[tranquil blade]

This could be true in like 3 years

[pulsar timber]

Kagurabachi is mediocre

At best

[ashen perch]

hopefully not, they gotta release an OP movie to counter that

[pulsar path]

Yeah but kiyoshi is my goat 🫣 I already know kagurabatchi is coming 😭

[tranquil blade]

There wasnt even a number there you didnt have to do it 💔

[pulsar path]

Gotta get cought up on it

[pseudo gulch]

WHAT????? One Piece isn't everything you think about every day and every hour???? FAKE FAN

[fallen meteor]

it was made with rage for that statement

[tranquil blade]

Have you read it

[pseudo gulch]

He dropped it

😔

[tranquil blade]

Oh

💔

[pulsar path]

One-piece : elbaf rises!

[digital spear]

I just realized the whole internet stopped being racist towards british people when ishy was gone

[pulsar path]

Oh film elbaf

[pulsar timber]

Yes

[ashen perch]

Kagurabachi being on a higher spot than OP in that list might officially mark the death of One Piece

[fallen meteor]

next film is hunter

[hot cairn]

LOL

[hot cairn]

been busy?

[wraith mantle]

fuck is arsal on about now

[digital spear]

You dont know how much I pray for that

[ashen perch]

can't let it happen, Oda has to fight back

[digital spear]

Oda is washed

[tranquil blade]

It's not that big of a deal

[ashen perch]

when you find out your goat is washed................

[pseudo gulch]

He could start with checking the timeline before adding shit to the story

[pulsar path]

Personally thought the begining of elbaf was slow but that's how most arcs start but once things started Poppin it really took off and flashback has been so good but almost too good like how you toppin this shit oda

[pulsar timber]

Yeah and most of my thinking about the series happens in this channel and I haven’t been active

[ashen perch]

no actually its the death of One Piece

[tranquil blade]

If fucking JJK can be higher in sales than one piece for a few years than anything can

[solemn reef]

So what are we doing

[digital spear]

JJK is peak tho

[pseudo gulch]

I need to hear sb's opinion about this

[ashen perch]

JJK was kinda unavoidable, I get that one, it just had too much mass appeal

[digital spear]

Chilling wbu

[pulsar path]

Crazy csm out of the dark three not up there

[tranquil blade]

I hate JJK and I really really hate Gege

[ashen perch]

we were always getting run through by JJK

[pulsar path]

Maybe too semi mature

[pseudo gulch]

What's the dark three

[hot cairn]

he’ll top it next arc

[pseudo gulch]

[solemn reef]

I’m chilling as well

[hot cairn]

I see

[digital spear]

So its living in your heas

[hot cairn]

we’re almost done with the flashback now

any minute

[ashen perch]

Kagurabachi is where I have to draw the line tho, its like getting run through by a baby's stroller

[solemn reef]

[pine ridge]

I think If fisher tiger got recaptured before breaking out again the timeline works. or oda can just remove the chains in the volume release. either way this should be his second time in mariejois

[digital spear]

EVIL Piece, Darkruto, Black

[tranquil blade]

Well I invested a lot of time in it and I felt like it was wasted so yes it does live in my head

[solemn reef]

There’s probably 3or 4 more chapters for flashback

[pseudo gulch]

It's not that bad come on

[hazy turret]

There’s one thing stopping it from being a 10/10

Once that happens though

[digital spear]

[pulsar path]

What even is next arc tho !?? Hachinoso? Holy land?.vira? Lodr star!?!?

[tranquil blade]

What

[ashen perch]

its Kid

[tranquil blade]

Shanks?

[pseudo gulch]

Art, inconsistencies

[solemn reef]

Who’s Kid

[tranquil blade]

Yeah if Shanks died next chapter I'd give One Piece a 10/10 rating

[hot cairn]

why the hearbreak? @pseudo gulch

[grand flower]

Fill that diaper up!

[ashen perch]

Oda is washed, theres no going back

[pseudo gulch]

Because I like the flashback a lot

[digital spear]

On it boss

[pseudo gulch]

And it's almost over

[urban lodge]

Shuron...?

[fossil nimbus]

10/10. The only thing that could make this an 11/10 is a Mihawk appearance. But so far it's been so peak

[ashen perch]

inconsistent piece is the new reality we live in

[grand flower]

Hey what’s up

[digital spear]

The customer is always right

[tranquil blade]

This is the 2nd time you've said this

[hot cairn]

Kid returning?

[pseudo gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/monster-versus-vs-alien-monster-vs-alien-gif-16037253809360562033

[pulsar timber]

I will say it has potential to crack among my top 5 arcs. Will have to see how it goes

[hot cairn]

a new island

[pulsar timber]

This flashback is shaping up to be my favorite

[stone terrace]

I dont rate arcs before they end anymore

[digital spear]

Kagurabachi isnt inconsistent btw

[fossil nimbus]

fr, look at how clean Oda's art once was

[stone terrace]

Wano and egghead both dropped

[digital spear]

!endofarc

[ashen perch]

Elbaf has all the pieces to be peak, we'll see

[tropic nova]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/738580480437387264/1268999864637722656/VID-20220930-WA0003.mov?ex=66ae77b8&is=66ad2638&hm=7c0faa20095fe776b10dafe9261859e38de014a30fa2878973bef43a542e260c&

[hot cairn]

but the present stuff will be better

[pseudo gulch]

It's painful

[ashen perch]

yeah but it fucking sucks lmaooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[hot cairn]

maybe in the cutaway chapters

[pseudo gulch]

I'm gonna need Usopp to step up tho

[digital spear]

^ hasnt read it

[pulsar path]

Totally just can't really guess what it is so I didn't put it lol

[fossil nimbus]

fr. I'm genuinely shocked how good the art was, because I started the manga after wano so didn't get to experience it

[solemn reef]

No we don’t want the show to end so soon he has to hold back

[pseudo gulch]

Read Kagurabachi

[ashen perch]

I can still just tell, its fine

[digital spear]

They always do and then they fall off

[fossil nimbus]

Full chapters with Mihawk in it

[pulsar timber]

Don’t worry I can speak for arsal

[digital spear]

This proves its peak

[ashen perch]

WCI had all the pieces to be peak and it was peak..................

[stone terrace]

Thats why reading from the beginning is something everyone who switches from the anime should do

[pulsar timber]

Kagurabachi is just mediocre battle shonen stuff

[stone terrace]

Read the east blue and your brain will explode

[hot cairn]

same here, depends on how the climax goes it might be top 5

[digital spear]

Chapter 874 happened...

[pseudo gulch]

I sorta gave up on that, sometimes we get great panels but most of the times it's alright at best imo

[hot cairn]

Oda has gone senile

[ashen perch]

where is WCI Oda, they gotta find that Oda clone once again, this new one aint cutting it

[tranquil blade]

You have a way with words thay makes people want to root against your word and idk what it is, it’s like you have a supernatural ability

[pulsar timber]

Peaking at a top 5 post timeskip arc

[dim raven]

Kagurabachi's really good if a bit formulaic

[pseudo gulch]

It's nothing groundbreaking but it's really fun to read and the fights are cool

[ashen perch]

I try my best, thank you

[pseudo gulch]

That's as far as I can go without spoilers

[vital heart]

It's what Roger told him that made him cry. I have this crazy theory along the lines that go like this. I think roger told Shanks "give up on your dreams, you need to find the next Joyboy and keep the balance of the world stable". idrk anything else besides that

[hot cairn]

why did egghead drop?

[fossil nimbus]

Yep true, we get some great panels like Loki's introduction once in a while, then we go back to inconsistent piece

[digital spear]

Just another example. Why would we side with Arsal and not Peakurabachi

[vital heart]

Genuinely

[hot cairn]

soon

[ashen perch]

this is a good chapter wdym

[vital heart]

Guys

GUYS

GUYS

GUYS

[ashen perch]

stop

[urban lodge]

Meek

[solemn reef]

What

[vital heart]

I know exactly why Shanks joined the Holy Knights / the WG.

[wraith mantle]

GUYS

https://x.com/CpOverl/status/1994731835423952958

ケミカルプラント(CHEMICALPLANT) (@CpOverl)

🍶👒☘️

X · Nov 29, 2025, 11:35 AM

[tranquil blade]

Meek one of the mods is actually gonna warn you one day

[solemn reef]

Why

[digital spear]

Made you look. I just wanted a little break from you in the chat tbh

[fossil nimbus]

Your pfp looks good

[pseudo gulch]

He's just testing how far he can push it

[solemn reef]

🔥

[ashen perch]

he was so cool

[wraith mantle]

LOL

he has immunity

[pseudo gulch]

Tell us

[hot cairn]

I told him that a few weeks ago, I’ve noticed it too

[stone terrace]

Vegapunk survival, kuma shutting down right after punching saturn, the message itself was underwhelming

[fossil nimbus]

Oda really depriving his fanbase on his main attraction character Mihawk.

[tranquil blade]

I cant forgive people for thinking he lost all his aura because of his mouth

[ashen perch]

this is natural aura farming, this is real, this is not forced, this is what Xebec dreams to be

[pseudo gulch]

Vegapunk doesn't get near enough hate as he deserves

Fuck him

[stone terrace]

Oh and g5 luffy fucking around too much

[digital spear]

W Vegapunk

[pseudo gulch]

He should DIE

[digital spear]

Cope

[ashen perch]

that was an aura gain, great moment

[hot cairn]

did you just watch the new Morj video

[vital heart]

This panel explains to me why Shanks joined the WG.

Shanks asked Roger if he'd one day be able to get to Laugh Tale and find the OP and be the Pirate King. Roger - surprisingly - told Shanks no. Roger told Shanks to give up on his dreams and to find the next Joyboy, to keep the balance of the world stable, to learn about the secrets of the WG, all to set up for the final war. He knows Shanks isn't the one, after everything he learned at Laugh Tale.

Everything Shanks has been doing has been at the "request" of Roger.

[vital heart]

I'm about to watch it.

Haven't though

[dim raven]

Tbh i liked the satellites surviving eddhead via punk records

[vital heart]

@tranquil blade @digital spear @ashen perch Check this out

[dim raven]

stellas still dead as hell

[pseudo gulch]

His corpse is rotting on the Sunny and I'm gonna tip tap dance on his grave

[ashen perch]

I refuse

[hot cairn]

I see

[digital spear]

Idk bro youre a crocodike

[fossil nimbus]

Isn't it crazy how ennies lobby water 7 saga is top 3 to this day

[solemn reef]

[ashen perch]

oh my god YC this is actually peak

like wow, every panel here clears God Valley

[digital spear]

So glue Roger turned Shanks into a doomer

[ashen perch]

She's........ my TREE-ANCEE

[solemn reef]

So Roger told him to give up on his dream

[digital spear]

Lowbar

[urban lodge]

WCI is still the peak of post-ts

[vital heart]

So unserious;

[ashen perch]

[solemn reef]

Lady tree tho

[tranquil blade]

I dont think God Valley was ever gonna be great for anyone but Rocks, Kuma and Dragon’s characters

[grand flower]

Guys I realized something yesterday

[tranquil blade]

Maybe Garp too

[grand flower]

Intimidate

In-timid-ate

[digital spear]

I think WCI got problematic when Big Mom followed them too long

[grand flower]

You put the timid IN that nigga

[vital heart]

@grand flower

[tranquil blade]

but I think people raised their expectations too high for the incident

[digital spear]

Thats pretty hard

[grand flower]

It won’t let me lick

[vital heart]

Do you guys think Rocks is still alive and working with the Revos rn?

[ashen perch]

✨ in timid ate ✨

[hot cairn]

yeah that went for a while

[grand flower]

https://tenor.com/view/yungviral-gif-13939729783032931857

[ashen perch]

it didnt really, it just felt long to weekly readers

but I didnt mind it even then personally

[pseudo gulch]

????????

[formal wagon]

yeah

[grand flower]

Me neither

[hot cairn]

I wasnt a weekly reader

[digital spear]

He is rhe marn aked by glamed

[tranquil blade]

No

[ashen perch]

anime watcher then

[tranquil blade]

I tried to type in all caps but my phone stopped me

[hot cairn]

absolutely not

[hot cairn]

I didn’t watch the anime, I read the manga

[vale heath]

SKILL ISSUE

[dim raven]

Flashback characters stay dead

[ashen perch]

Xebec is dead, Garling popped him in the neck and there was a whole gusher and everything I am sure

[hot cairn]

I would never sit down and watch 1000 episodes LOL

[solid stone]

WCI was.... problematic media?

https://tenor.com/view/garten-of-banban-banban-banban-sad-banban-cry-horror-skunx-gif-13163901094042201155

[fossil nimbus]

Peoples expectations were just where they needed to be. But given the situation of the flashback and how GV wasn't the centrepiece of it, what we got wasn't as great as it could have been as we didn't see the whole event. Just what was important to the current storyline.

[ashen perch]

Rayleigh saw that guy bleeding to his death, I trust Rayleigh's word on it

[fossil nimbus]

I believe something more happened then, because when Garp asked Gaban, gaban tried to flip the question in order not to answer. Same with Rayleigh, he paused before answering.

[urban lodge]

Not ready for Evil Cyborg Rocks

[vital heart]

If Imu knew that Harald/Elbaf's legendary Fruit was the Nika fruit, do you think if Imu/Gorosei asked Harald: "Hey, in exchange for your legendary fruit, we'll make Elbaf into an allied nation of WG", do you think Harald would say yes?