also-manga

[thick mango]

I think that's the risk of the glaze that it's not

[sage temple]

Loki vs Shanks will be like Luffy vs Katakuri

[dense haven]

kid fans ignored the signs

[sage temple]

Mark my words

[urban kiln]

we used to think someone would wield the sword on onigashima too...

[scenic dirge]

Tbf

[dense haven]

the moment shanks mogged on gb it was sealed

[scenic dirge]

Kind of an Oda L not having Kid pick up that giant sword

[sage temple]

Does the sword on Onigashima have a mythological relevance supporting it

[urban kiln]

it might be more likely for hajrudin to wield the sword than loki tbh

[sage temple]

I think naught

[thick mango]

It is kinda weird there's two mega swords almost in a row

[sage temple]

Yeah well speak to the mural

[scenic dirge]

Why? It wouldn’t speak back

[sage temple]

Loki is holding quite the long weapon aint it

[dense haven]

we already have a big hammer in elbaf

[unique lagoon]

would be funny if oda straight up dont explain the 2nd big sword again

[sage temple]

If Ussop uses Loki's hammer, Loki will wield the sword

[urban kiln]

hajrudin gets domi reversi'd but he fights back against the mind control but grows horns

[thick mango]

It does make elbaf look cool. Maybe that's all it needs to do

[sage temple]

Where does the hair come from

😭

[scenic dirge]

Only person safe from domi is Luffy coz Nika is its natural counter or some shit

[urban kiln]

did you forget what hajrudins hair looks like

[sage temple]

Yeah shorter than Loki's

It's like a pixie

[unique lagoon]

still waiting on imu to make a DF user into a demon

[urban kiln]

?

[sage temple]

Am I bugging

[urban kiln]

u buggin

[thick mango]

It would make sense you can't control the will of the avatar of freedom

[sage temple]

now THAT is new

[ruby moat]

hajrudin is probably top 5 eos

[unique lagoon]

[formal wagon]

top 5 fruads

[unique lagoon]

#1 fraud right now is garling

[urban kiln]

like twice as long as loki's btw

lol

[sage temple]

You might be right then

[urban kiln]

idk if thatd actually happen but I dont see loki using something besides his own weapon

hajrudin doesnt have a major weapon

but hes strong

[sage temple]

[unique lagoon]

i thought haj got a sword

[formal wagon]

top 5 frauds

1. dorry and broggy
2. big mom (sadly)
3. buggy
4. hajrudin
5. oda

[unique lagoon]

haj just needs to pull his dads sword from jaruls head ez

[urban kiln]

like, physically. Remember how heavy dude was?

[sage temple]

True the main reason I think Loki will wield the sword is because of the Mural

[sage temple]

Same arc he gets 1 shot by Gear 2 Luffy

I am not taking this Macvice feat

[urban kiln]

luffy has gotten one shot many times

people need to stop using one shots as a powerscaling metric

[unique lagoon]

crazy how that guy is still alive
hitting birdcage at the speed of sound

[austere comet]

That's premature.

[sage temple]

Luffy used basic Gear 2 Haki against Hajrudin

[prisma idol]

People still downplaying to this day Hajrudin's feat

Sad

[urban kiln]

ok luffy used basic gear 2 against doflamingo and did damage

[unique lagoon]

i remember this chat was hype about that

[sage temple]

Was it significant?

[austere comet]

Yah his vivre card mentions how he's used a variety of weapons but his preferred and most honed power are his fists

[formal wagon]

the bat mr 4 used was several tons

10k tons in one piece is like 500 lbs irl

[prisma idol]

Luffy vs Domi Loki so that Imu can leave and we can actually win

[urban kiln]

hajrudin got hit in the jaw which is like known to knock people out.

People NEED to STOP using one shots as metrics for a characters' fighting capabilities. One shots are notoriously a result of unexpected attacks or attacks that landed in weak spots etc

[austere comet]

I've always believed Hajrudin's knockout was on account of arrogance in the ring.

[urban kiln]

using one shots should disqualify you from continuing the convo

[unique lagoon]

dint dazbones lifted a house

am i remembering wrong

[urban kiln]

arlong lifted a house

so did his no name men

[muted hedge]

Zoro did too

[unique lagoon]

i would say burgees lifted a mountain but thats cheating

[muted marsh]

Machvise downscale? 🥀

[formal wagon]

yes

[sage temple]

Maybe if Hajrudin dodged a hit to the jaw like Loki did he wouldn't have been one shotted

[austere comet]

People have gotten so hung up on it that it's led to insane takes on the giants power.
Like if people are hung up on they'd have to believe Hajrudin's weaker than Rodo's pets.

[sage temple]

Loki did it against Gear 4 Luffy btw

[muted marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/mario-sad-sad-mario-mario-look-phone-sad-look-sad-gif-17200741509957979964

[urban kiln]

loki is obviously a more capable fighter than hajrudin

[sage temple]

Which is why he shall lift the sword

[urban kiln]

Im just saying hajrudin would be physically strong enough to pick up that sword

[unique lagoon]

loki dodge a G4 attack while in sea prism
with only his head
big deal imo

[thick mango]

It would need to be shrunk even for giants right

[sage temple]

I'm saying

[muted hedge]

isn't that sword like 3 times the size of even Loki

[thick mango]

It's the most impractical thing ever as is

[sage temple]

I don't think Luffy could dodge attacks in seastone either

[austere comet]

It's too big for him tho

[unique lagoon]

not even

[sage temple]

It's like 12 times the size of Hajrudin

[unique lagoon]

its like the the same height of sun realm

[sage temple]

I'll give him that feat though I see now

[muted hedge]

i think Luffy is the one with the biggest chance to pick it up, given he can alter his size to such a massive degree

[sage temple]

He's a worse fighter but a physically stronger person in some cases

[unique lagoon]

nvm its way bigger

[sage temple]

Hajrudin is just a body builder

[unique lagoon]

its like almost the same height as elbaf

[sage temple]

But yeah he'd probably be strong enough to lift it

[muted hedge]

who the hell would've wielded that thing back in the day

[sage temple]

Hajrudin does need something to keep up with Loki

[unique lagoon]

im blaming the owl on this one

[urban kiln]

big ah island too

[unique lagoon]

its the only logical choice

[muted hedge]

right

can the owl shrink stuff too?

[keen quiver]

Elbaf is the tip of a likely bigger island

Back in the day it was likely more territory

Before the world sank

[unique lagoon]

im telling you elbaf is higher than skypeia

i got the numbers calculated already

[keen quiver]

One thing about the world tree are its roots go deep

So very likely there was just way more land

[unique lagoon]

so sky islands can only spawn at 10k meters above water not counting egghead ofc
balloon terminal was 10k and also skypiea
if theres already sky island clouds in sun realm then heaven realm is like 20k meters high

[sage temple]

If the figure on the mural is actually a Loki look-alike then I'd put my money on whoever that was

[muted hedge]

they had a spear tho

[keen quiver]

Socrates hoping to god a loki look alike is around the void century

[sage temple]

Yeah whatever dawg show me Teach on the mural

[keen quiver]

Teach Davy Jones dog

[sage temple]

You phony

[keen quiver]

I'm big chilling

[sage temple]

https://tenor.com/view/money-breaking-bad-sleep-on-money-lay-on-money-money-pile-gif-5382667

[keen quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/blackbeard-one-piece-blackbeard-marshall-d-teach-blackbeard-ace-juhtawn-gif-25523545

[sage temple]

Just hold this

[unique lagoon]

this legit?

[muted hedge]

yes

[sage temple]

Yeah

[unique lagoon]

[thick mango]

Those usopp colors are good

[prisma idol]

Luffy will lift it using g5

[muted hedge]

i heavily prefer these ones, for some of them

especially Zoro

[keen quiver]

Sucks to suck

[hazy turret]

Jinbe where?

[prisma idol]

Toei hates fishmen

[hazy turret]

I agree but those are probably a pain to draw every chapter/episode

[keen quiver]

Wish oda drew teach's hair like this still

[hazy turret]

First Oda, now toei

[sage temple]

Yeah lmk when he speaks to his father

[keen quiver]

Crazy how he's nowhere to be seen when inheriting davy's will is around

Curious

[keen quiver]

[hazy turret]

And yet imu has a target put on BB not Loki

[hazy turret]

There we go

[muted marsh]

Fujitora:

[muted hedge]

definitely

[sage temple]

Very curious

[keen quiver]

Loki thinks imu had a loki poster off screen

[hazy turret]

Brook looks awesome here

[cold steppe]

Zoro and sanji will never rock the top tiers coat

[keen quiver]

Deadass argued about it

Earlier yesterday

[sage temple]

You called me Loki

Stawp

I could never be as goated as him

[keen quiver]

Mf might as well be loki

[prisma yacht]

Lmaooo

[keen quiver]

How much you stanning

Lmao

[muted marsh]

Okay... Loki, whoops slipped out again

[keen quiver]

I swear Socrates reading loki piece

[hazy turret]

Bro loves Loki more than his own mother did

[muted marsh]

Now call me Momgoku

[unique lagoon]

he did it againt damn oda is so good
im shaking

[sage temple]

https://tenor.com/view/chopper-toni-chopper-toni-toni-chopper-one-piece-gif-17470216544758572645

[sage temple]

This is a crazy forehead oh my goodness

That is bad

[muted marsh]

Male pattern baldness is too common to shame

[hot gull]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1404815371134828556/1444252382451073156/attachment.gif

zzaamnn

[muted hedge]

https://x.com/kongratss/status/1994692933627654401

kongratss - COMMS OPEN (@kongratss)

Best actor Shanks lol

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X · Nov 29, 2025, 9:00 AM

[ashen perch]

he just said that they have been "talking for a long time" iirc

and they could have, it doesnt necessarily go against the theory because we have no context on how this all started

oh yea "we've long been friends" is what he said

I am sure it will be all explained in time

[unique lagoon]

i dont understand why herald and roger thought the princess will be hairy

[ashen perch]

I just dont see these minor things as some big point of contention, when all of it can be explained away anyways, like for example this piece of dialogue from Mosa already sets up how someone like Shirahoshi could ever be comfortable with Loki. She found it initially frightening to talk with him till she got to know him better.

[ashen perch]

because Neptune is ultra hairy

[unique lagoon]

oh guess its that simple

[ashen perch]

he's the most hairy man in the entire series

[barren token]

Hellow #also-manga what did we think of the chapter

[ashen perch]

so they are poking fun at him, like "oh youre hairy so your daughter will also be hairy"

[barren token]

I thought it was really good btw :)

[ashen perch]

I loved it, it was peak, it was like Oda spoke to me through the pages of the manga, telling me "you are right, and youre going to be right about so many things"

[unique lagoon]

[long basin]

I also feel superior to have anticipated Loki and Shirahoshi

[ashen perch]

you should, it was genuinely a very unbelievable idea to most

[unique lagoon]

now why in the hell shiraoshi dint talk about luffy with loki

[stray prism]

thanks good game i figured if garling would show up so would sommers good luck next time

[ashen perch]

having a theory like that come true is just different

[long basin]

but it felt Oda like, that's why I was convinced

[unique lagoon]

surely shiraoshi was exited to tell loki about her idol luffy

but loki dint know the name

[ashen perch]

who knows, maybe she did talk about him but without his name

wait speaking of that, Luffy didnt say his full name to him right?

[long basin]

maybe they did not talk about other people

[unique lagoon]

dint he do the whole ill be king of pirates shit

[ashen perch]

because Garp is known as the ender of Rocks Pirates, but Loki didnt have a reaction to the name I am pretty sure

oh just Luffy

[muted hedge]

not Monkey D

wonder if Loki would have commented on him sharing the lastname of Garp

and does Loki know about Dragon?

[ashen perch]

well Dragon wasnt known as Monkey D. Dragon till Marineford so Loki wouldnt know that part

[muted hedge]

yeah, but does he know about Dragon

[ashen perch]

probably yea, because Dragon has been a big name for a while

[muted hedge]

yeah

[unique lagoon]

8 years out at sea sure why not

[ashen perch]

I do think that will come up though, Luffy's relationship with Garp

unless Loki just knows that it wasnt Garp for some reason

[unique lagoon]

its fine once he sees nika transformation

[muted hedge]

i want to see Luffy meet Shamrock

[ashen perch]

true true

[unique lagoon]

well luffy is still with loki
the snail still has a window to talk to luffy

[muted hedge]

it was one of the things i was the most excited for but then Oda just had Shamrock return to Marijoa

[ashen perch]

I still feel like Shamrock is going to come back at some point, just can't see the arc ending without Luffy and Loki meeting him again after a good bit of the first act was used to set him up

all depends on how long (in universe time) the arc goes

[unique lagoon]

got to be a payoff there
loki revenge and stuff

[muted hedge]

Luffy and Loki going up against Shamrock would be cool

[sage temple]

Mosa won't be calling for a while

[ashen perch]

yea, I think we get the payoff here to that

[sage temple]

The last window already passed when Luffy went to go retrieve Chopper/Gaban

[unique lagoon]

ah right thats another mystery
some shit is happening in FMI

[ashen perch]

another indicator of the arc going on for a while (in universe time), because we won't be getting the payoff to Mosa anytime soon

[muted hedge]

if Shamrock does return to Elbaph, he'll definitely have been promoted to supreme-commander at this point

[unique lagoon]

be funny if BBP already invaded FMI

[ashen perch]

need Oda to explain why Shamrock is a commander and if there are other commanders

[icy wolf]

surely there isnt someone in the holy knights above shamrock

[ashen perch]

either Garling is still directly overseeing the group or Shamrock just hasnt had his official promotion

[muted hedge]

the only ones we've seen with notable positions among the God Knights is Garling and Shamrock, both are Figarlands

[ashen perch]

thats gonna be it, its been a couple of days since Caribou arrived in Hachinosu

[unique lagoon]

thats one of the old ideas
that shamrock was called back cuz of the promotion

[muted hedge]

seems like they also needed reinforcements because of the crisis

and they said that Shamrock would be a valuable asset to aid them

[unique lagoon]

i think its somekind of moral boost for the CDs rioting

some promotion event

[muted hedge]

given this latest chapter seems to put Shamrock on par with Shanks, i wouldn't be surprised if Shamrock is comparable to Shanks currently as well and they just need his strength for whatever is going down

[long basin]

which means Pluton is not in BBs hands

[muted hedge]

well Marijoa was consumed by a sea of fire

so i think it's more of a warfront

[ashen perch]

the whole thing is very unclear, because even Shamrock returning to Marie Geoise was not enough for Imu to be satisfied, he still wanted to immediately take over Elbaf so they can all get back

[long basin]

so shanks is in marijoa?

[unique lagoon]

you know the BBP can just split up again

but i doubt teach will get 2 ancient weapons

[long basin]

I doubt BB will let Burgess handle an ancient weapon

[muted hedge]

no, i'm just saying that powerwise i think that Shanks and Shamrock are comparable to eachother

[unique lagoon]

what you mean handle

[ashen perch]

well we saw how the BBP operated in Egghead, I think they are going to split up

[muted hedge]

it's clear that the giants are Imu's top 1 priority

[unique lagoon]

oh controlling poseidon

thats easy laffite can fix that

[muted hedge]

and Shamrock did exclaim that the World Government will control the giants once and for all

[long basin]

and they can beat momo and his samurai?

[ashen perch]

Group 1 - Pluton
Group 2 - Poseidon
Lafitte - Marie Geoise
Kuzan - Maybe Punk Hazard if BB is also seeking out the Galley-La

[long basin]

I doubt it

[unique lagoon]

you forget therese an underground port under wano

[ashen perch]

I think the BBPs do get Pluton and fail to get Poseidon, so BB is going to be with the Pluton/Wano Group

[muted hedge]

i'd rather if the Blackbeard pirates got Poseidon and failed getting Pluton, since I want the Cross Guild to get Pluton

but that's just my bias

[unique lagoon]

they can just blits all the people down there and just dig down

[prisma yacht]

Bb pirates?

[ashen perch]

I think the Ancient Weapons will be split up between Imu, BB and Luffy so CG don't really fit into that. BB gets Pluton, Luffy is friends with Shirahoshi, and Uranus already seems to be with Imu.

[unique lagoon]

also kuzan can prob easy deal with the samurai

[prisma yacht]

They just might stomp them

[long basin]

while SHs are talking in elbaph, BBP snatch the ancient weapons on both sides of the planet, destabilize marijoa and revive the giants on Punk Hazard?

[long basin]

if they are split up? I wonder

[ashen perch]

well only one ancient weapon, I think Shirahoshi escapes

[unique lagoon]

yeah no way they get 2

[muted hedge]

the only one he'd have the least amount of struggle with would be Yamato

[prisma yacht]

Hmm well depends how are they splitting

[unique lagoon]

you think yamato can escape ice ball?

[muted hedge]

i mean maybe

[unique lagoon]

so far we have only seen garp and WB escape that

wait yamato is ice power

[muted hedge]

aren't they also the only two who have fought Kuzan?

[ashen perch]

She's a great swimmer, and remember, the seakings under her control wanted to contact a certain group of shipwrights that are probably not around anymore (Galley-La). I can see it all lead her all the way to Elbaf.

[muted hedge]

excluding Sakazuki of course

[ashen perch]

Yamato would probably just absorb the ice

[long basin]

how would you split the crew up? let's assume Kuzan is on Punk Hazard because of the giants and his ice ability. then does BB go by himself to FMI, how will he survive the dive? if not, which members are enough to beat momo and the samurai

[unique lagoon]

well if ever they do invade wano
just use the hidden port

if they just want to reach the weapon

[muted hedge]

given they know where the hidden port is

[long basin]

I kinda forgot, do they know about the hidden port?

[unique lagoon]

depends if caribou know

[muted hedge]

otherwise it'd be best to just send Pizarro and make an entrance for them

[ashen perch]

I don't think Caribou knew

[long basin]

was it shown that he listened to Robin/Law/Oden daddy?

[unique lagoon]

yes pizarro is def the shortcut
just scoop out the battleship from the ground

he can close the entrance also so no one would reach them intime

[ashen perch]

he only listened to the SHs in the castle, when Robin asks Luffy if he wants Pluton

and he said no lol

[unique lagoon]

or gura just brute force it and destroy the walls

[long basin]

k gotta reread

[ashen perch]

also hard to say what the groups will be, but the Wano one gotta have Pizarro I feel

he can just assimilate with the island, and spit out Pluton

no need to break down any walls

[prisma yacht]

Sanjuan as well

[long basin]

but he is not invincible, momo can just breathe in his face

[barren token]

I thought the chapter was splendid btw

[muted hedge]

i have a gut feeling that this will be explained next chapter

[unique lagoon]

it would be funny if they get pluton without wano knowing

[prisma yacht]

Good for u cunk

[ashen perch]

the rest of the BBP can handle the Samurai and Yamato and his crew

[unique lagoon]

real stealth mission

[long basin]

surprise lore, WB visited Foosha village and Baby Luffy cut him with a knife

[unique lagoon]

dint the guy say that once pluton is out the walls will be destroyed?

[ashen perch]

I thought Yamato would get all of the Flying Six so we can get a whole moment of BBP easily beating them to show their threat levels, but he only got Page One and Ulti lol

[unique lagoon]

was it destroy the walls then pluton
or pluton then walls destroyed

[muted hedge]

i think it was Shamrock

[long basin]

I think it was destroy the walls and release pluton, but I would have to reread

[long basin]

same

[ashen perch]

yea, destroying the walls unleashes Pluton

[muted hedge]

Blackbeard scarred Shanks, Shamrock scarred Whitebeard

[long basin]

they are all mean, scarring each other

[unique lagoon]

wait hold up

[woeful moth]

"opening" wano is needed to unleash pluton

[unique lagoon]

shanks and shamrock got sent dealing with WB pirates

???

[muted hedge]

maybe

[unique lagoon]

how much does the old man know
well alot ofc after what roger told him

shanks could have been sent to deal with rampaging mihawk also

[muted hedge]

yeah true

Shanks and Shamrock having a stand off against the Whitebeard pirates would be quite epic

and Shanks not being able to confront Whitebeard of course, goes after Blackbeard or something

while Shamrock gets in a confrontation against Whitebeard

[woeful moth]

So.... Maybe it was not Garling that scarred WB...

An actual same face

Shamrock

[muted hedge]

yeah, i feel like Oda would rather it be Shamrock

since that's more integral to the Shanks story at the end of the day

[unique lagoon]

only reason i think its not garling cuz with his rank they where not sent dealing with pirates

only the lowest rank

[muted hedge]

that too

though he could've when he had the same position as present Shamrock has

but i feel like his showings in God Valley made me doubt this a little, though he'll still be very strong of course

[unique lagoon]

yeah but we aligning this with how fresh shanks scar is

[muted hedge]

yeah, it's almost like they just got home from a mission

where Shanks was scarred

[unique lagoon]

his face was bleeding when tiger removed his patch

[muted hedge]

right

i feel like we're so close to the reveal on how it went down

[ornate tartan]

goda

[woeful moth]

Do you think Shanks and WB scar happened at the same fight with WB pirates?

[muted hedge]

i feel like it could have

[woeful moth]

Yeah it could've and Shamrock being the probable leader of the group fought WB himself

[muted hedge]

yeah

it would also be yet another contrast between the twins

Shanks being scarred by Blackbeard while Shamrock scars Whitebeard

[ornate tartan]

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#ONEPIECE1167

Even now when Loki asked about Shanks Gunko got defensive for some reason. It seems more than hating Shanks for betraying them, the issue affects Shamrock👀

X · Nov 29, 2025, 1:18 AM

[muted hedge]

this latest chapter made it clear to me that Shamrock cares deeply for Shanks

[prisma yacht]

Garling was so chill in this last chapter

[muted hedge]

even though they're on different sides

[prisma yacht]

Shanks definitely fucked them bad

[muted hedge]

i hope we see Shanks departure from Marijoa next chapter

and we get Garling and Shamrocks reaction to him leaving them

[pseudo gulch]

Also it's a small detail but Shanks and Shamrock aren't twins, that was interesting

[crude trellis]

Harold?

[muted hedge]

?

[ornate tartan]

they are twins

shamrock is just a couple of minutes older

[rugged sandal]

that guy was ragebaiting

[muted hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/dante-vergil-dmc-dmc3-dante-walk-gif-812568422891748818

[ornate tartan]

nah johto don’t rage bait😂

[muted hedge]

i wonder if Oda has played DMC

[dense haven]

shanks fans make some noise

[frozen aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/mid-cricket-gif-8770157594703077934

[long basin]

but Shanks trained under winners und Shamrock under bums

[frozen aspen]

I still don't get how they know Shamrock is older

[long basin]

true, made it up

[frozen aspen]

all the more impressive if he can keep up with shanks then

[long basin]

I doubt it, honestly

Shanks playing a game

acting good

holding his strength back, probably

[frozen aspen]

possibly

but i personally don't think so

[long basin]

but then, maybe it is just genes and they are equal, only Oda knows

[frozen aspen]

he is probably strong

the only HK thats not a fraud

[ashen perch]

none of them are frauds

[rugged sandal]

Exactly

[frozen aspen]

sommers is seen taking hits from a restrained shakky

[long basin]

but shakky is also strong, her kick even hurt him, some conquerors haki stuff

[icy wolf]

sommers is being portrayed horribly

he looks like a huge bum rn

[rugged sandal]

Sommers might be the exception but I don't think the other God Knights are

[ashen perch]

Shakky didnt really do much to him and eh yea, she is supposed to be strong

[long basin]

sommers is like a side character put into spotlight a bit too often

[jade rain]

HK's are not frauds but they just didn't live up to the hype

[icy wolf]

sommers is a punching bag

[ashen perch]

Sommers isnt necessarily portrayed horribly, he is just facing all the wrong opponents

[long basin]

I don't see the point of him even existing rn.

[ornate tartan]

Garling will be the one to plan/orchestrate Harald death

he already started by giving him that transponder snail this chapter

[ashen perch]

even then, we saw him block attacks from Gaban in present day

[frozen aspen]

if sommers needs usopp to look tough he a bum

[ashen perch]

he lost ofc, but even blocking and parrying a couple of attacks from Gaban while he was so enraged is impressive

Sommers will look more impressive against someone more on his level or below, like Sanji

[dense haven]

it's like saying you blocked a train when you got run over

[ashen perch]

I mean thats not true, he literally did block Gaban without getting run over

[sturdy steeple]

He didn’t lose temper after having his arm cut and quickly adapted to go and fight him.

It was pretty impressive for an opponent of his level.

[ornate tartan]

https://x.com/fluxpiece/status/1994524729987010588?s=46

what do yall think?

Flux⚜️ (@fluxpiece)

#ONEPIECE1167
Shanks knew about the prophecy of the two sovereigns meeting.

I believe that once Shanks defeated Loki and chained him up, he handed Loki the transponder snail to speak to Shirahoshi.

The 2 sovereigns tied to the Adam and Eve trees will meet agan in the final war

X · Nov 28, 2025, 9:52 PM

[dense haven]

gaban wasnt trying to fight him lol

gaban just did a hit and run to get to colin

[muted hedge]

how we know, or how they know in the series?

[ornate tartan]

there’s a transponder snail conveniently placed next to a chained up loki

[rugged sandal]

Sommers is the only fraud in gods knight currently

[ashen perch]

yeah he was trying to beat him immediately, Sommers blocking a few hits in that state is impressive

[ornate tartan]

who else could’ve put it there

[sturdy steeple]

Yeah, he wasn’t trying to fight him at all. He just accidentally swung his axe a couple of times.

lol

[dense haven]

he could've finished his ass right there if he wanted to

why didn't he

[grand flower]

The fact that Gaban was able to do that to him still makes sommers look bad

Relatively

[icy wolf]

do you think shanks knows about imu or nah

[muted hedge]

Sommers has to be so salty

[muted hedge]

i definitely think he does

[ashen perch]

and Blocked again

[sturdy steeple]

I don’t really get what’s the problem

[ornate tartan]

he does 100%

[icy wolf]

the gorosei said only the 13 chosen (gorosei and holyknights) know imu im pretty sure

[ornate tartan]

he was a roger pirate

[icy wolf]

he didnt go to laughtale tho

[sturdy steeple]

Sommers put up a good fight against a left hand of PK before he ultimately went down. Gaban is much stronger, yes.

What’s there to add

[ornate tartan]

if he knows ab the nika fruit he knows about imu

[grand flower]

Exactly

[ornate tartan]

there is no way roger didn’t tell him everything before he died

he was tasked to do something

[ashen perch]

yup lol

[sturdy steeple]

Like you can see Sommers is an experienced fighter based on how he interacts with Gaban

He’s not a pushover

[muted hedge]

all the God Knights are experienced fighters

[sturdy steeple]

Yep

[muted hedge]

i think it's silly when people say that they are just posh guys acting

[frozen aspen]

in the series bc the only person who'd know is dead

[ashen perch]

I feel like people get too memebrained about this, everyone has to be FRAUD or NOT

[sturdy steeple]

Absolutes

It’s annoying, really

[muted hedge]

yeah true

[ashen perch]

yeah

[long basin]

server rules need to change, no more fraud memeing

[vestal mural]

Half the server would get banned

[ashen perch]

we actually banned all agenda terms for an april fools event here once

should be permanent smh

[long basin]

did the people rise to overthrow the staff?

if not, do it lol

[ashen perch]

nah they just complained

[long basin]

they would complain for a few days I would assume

[ornate tartan]

complained about not being able to spam brainless buzz words?😂😂

[sturdy steeple]

Some of the chatters here would lose their jobs… Although, no, perhaps they’d find ones in the first place

[frozen aspen]

killing agenda kills half the server

😔

[muted hedge]

would that be a bad thing

[ashen perch]

you just have to find ways to talk about the series without calling everyone a fraud and whatnot, its not that hard

[long basin]

atm it's filled with bs and people rage baiting each other, that's why I do not want to go to manga anymore. also-manga, manga-serious is okay. rest is .. idk, street

[frozen aspen]

yeah bc if there is no Ragebaiting we'd only have the crack theories and negative reading comprehension left

[ashen perch]

incredible

[long basin]

Nika, help us

[rose rune]

Nika, bring us laughs and joy

[sturdy steeple]

He did nothing wrong btw

[frozen aspen]

anyways sommers is 100% underwhelming and so are nost of the HK. Like sure they don't all gotta be on rocks roger or garp lvl but the fact that they don't even have one character on that lvl? kinda lame

[grand flower]

Naw hold on

[sturdy steeple]

What does that mean

[grand flower]

For Sommers it’s valid

[ornate tartan]

sham is on that level

[grand flower]

He’s almost like Garling

[frozen aspen]

kinda why I hope shamrock is actually as strong as shanks

[ashen perch]

you havent even seen most of them in action in present day

[grand flower]

Top dawgs keep running over Sommers

[ornate tartan]

hot take

[sturdy steeple]

You have Gorosei who are pretty strong

[grand flower]

Like Rayleigh and Gaban both just deal with him

[muted hedge]

Shamrock definitely is a stand out compared to the rest, Gunko too

[frozen aspen]

yeah thats what I'd like to hope although im afraid he might jump ship

[grand flower]

That’s why he comes off as a fraud

[sturdy steeple]

Holy Knights are like the F6 of the group lol

[grand flower]

You’d expect someone in his position to last longer against them

Rayleigh legit just sends him flying through a wall like a cartoon character

He doesn’t look that good

Better than trash ass Garling

That nigga SUCKS

[ornate tartan]

killingham devil fruit is haxxed

[sturdy steeple]

Well, he goes flying into the wall and that’s it lol

[muted hedge]

Killingham is good too, yeah

[grand flower]

Yeah exactly

[ornate tartan]

manifesting intangible dreams, 2nd guy who can do stuff like that since Kuma with pain

[grand flower]

It’s the fact that that deals with him

[sturdy steeple]

Would you consider King, Katakuri, etc unimpressive because Rayleigh can do the same to them

[ashen perch]

He is supposed to be goofy though, so it is what it is. He is not really meant to come across as the same type of menacing as say... King, he is more a mean little troll.

[ornate tartan]

Kat is the most downplayed guy right now

[grand flower]

I already tell people Wano fucked Katakuri in powerscaling

[rose rune]

is this a quickload joke

[ornate tartan]

these so called fans nowadays will try to convince u that Kat is fodder

[grand flower]

And Rayleigh isn’t doing that to king

[ornate tartan]

when he’s extremely strong

[grand flower]

Katakuri is a solid high tier

But not a top tier

[frozen aspen]

katakuri got his reputation ruined by falling for Ceaser hallucination gas

[grand flower]

Nah

[sturdy steeple]

He’s a goofy ass villain but a good one. We’re meant to enjoy every time he gets tortured on screen.

Like yeah

[grand flower]

Katakuris reputation got ruined when Kaido one shot the version of Luffy that beat Katakuri

And did so in base

[muted hedge]

that's why Oda made him so comedically evil and sadistic

[sturdy steeple]

Wano opponents being stronger does not make him unimpressive though

[grand flower]

Onigashima treated Katakuri like a drunk father

[grand flower]

Unimpressive isn’t the word I’d use

[muted hedge]

Sommers whole character is ahout making others suffer, even his fruit is sadistic

[grand flower]

But his stock took a huge hit

[grand flower]

That’s why he gets embarrassed by Rayleigh and Gaban

[sturdy steeple]

A fraud in my idea is someone who doesn’t live up to their title, expectations or whatever.

Sommers isn’t that

Shuron, I don’t recognise you lol

[grand flower]

I think Sommers qualifies because you wouldn’t think they’d be so weak they’d get dealt with so easy

Imo

[ashen perch]

Shamrock is meant to come across as menacing and he does. Gunko is meant to come across as menacing and we saw her deal with half the crew with ease and then later also Gaban. Qilingham is meant to come across as menacing and he has maintained that vibe. Young Garling was a loser but thats fine. Maffey legitimately only fell victim to something that would have happened to any logia user too so I dont see why that is even taken into consideration. The rest of the HKs all maintain a clean slate. I just dont see where this whole take is coming from.

[grand flower]

I’ve become exactly like Jesus Christ of Nazareth

I see things yet to come

[sturdy steeple]

You chose violence against WG fans or something?

[sturdy steeple]

Naaaw, Killingham is a goofy goober too

[grand flower]

My child, I am fan of all things one piece. Why would I forsake the WG, despite their sins?

Let he who is without fraud cast the first roast

[ornate tartan]

I hate linear scaling

“If character A beat character B and character B beat character C that means Character A is guaranteed stronger then C”

that’s not how it works

[ashen perch]

Nah Qilingham has a sort of cold vibe to everything he did, like he is very detached from everything that he is doing. Its menacing in its own way.

[ornate tartan]

especially in one piece

[sturdy steeple]

Bro is Jesus but not the cool one…
Jesus Burgess

[ornate tartan]

that has like 3 different power systems

[ashen perch]

like this was horrifying

[frozen aspen]

its the fact that garling appears to be the leader the of the HK. He got his as bear badly so naturally all the other HK are even weaker than him

[grand flower]

He comes across like he’s just loving his 9-5

[muted hedge]

mask off

[frozen aspen]

who was the killingham simp here again

[sturdy steeple]

He’s detached but he’s also goofy. He literally falls asleep on foot

[ashen perch]

38 years ago though, its not gonna matter

[frozen aspen]

well yeah but if you are oonly seen killing slaves, civilians and your baby momma and then get your ass beat in your only fight against an actual top tier the reputation will stick

[sturdy steeple]

I kinda wonder what’s up with OP fans and hating goofier characters

[ashen perch]

Oda literally stared at the readers, dead in the eye, and told em that he is STRONG. I don't see why I shouldnt believe it.

[sturdy steeple]

That’s surprising to me

It almost smells like…

[rose rune]

wait...

[ornate tartan]

that’s why they were slandering roger this flashback

[grand flower]

Not just that but he got reverse jumped off screen with an immortal squad

And it was just a warm up for rocks

[ornate tartan]

because he wasn’t aura farming or whatever nonsense they expected

[sturdy steeple]

Some of the OP fans came from different titles…

[grand flower]

We are definitely supposed to see Garling as a pathetic bully

[sturdy steeple]

Maybe that sorcerer bullshit is at fault…..

[ornate tartan]

yeah it is😂

[grand flower]

Everything I’ve seen about JJK says it’s a rather straightforward series with power scaling

[ashen perch]

oh yeah, I mean Gunko has a goofier side to her too, everyone really does but when the time is to be menacing, they are still menacing. Sommers is just meant to have a different vibe to them, he is a mean little troll.

[grand flower]

But that doesn’t apply to OP

[muted hedge]

i have no words

[vestal mural]

Imagine shitting on someone for losing to the guy Imu came to deal with himself

[sturdy steeple]

No, but that brings out the worst qualities from some of the fans

[rose rune]

we could have this, but Oda robbed us

[sturdy steeple]

They’re different characters but what I meant is that Killingham has a decent goofy side.

[ashen perch]

yeah, Young Garling is meant to be a little bit of a loser, but thats fine like I said. It was 38 years ago

[sturdy steeple]

But I get what you mean.

Sommers is a sadistic troll.

[ashen perch]

yeah

[grand flower]

It’s not that. It’s the fact that that was the first and so far only time Garling has went up against any fighter

Contrasting with how his every other act of violence was against someone who couldnt really fight him back, it makes his portrayal that of a bully

[ornate tartan]

what ab this Garling who is now the captain of God Knights

[grand flower]

still a make a wish merchant

Only act of violence is Mjosgard

[ashen perch]

this is real good look on him, but his current design is still the best he has looked

[ornate tartan]

That last part of that panel convinces me that Garling orchestrated Harald demise

[ashen perch]

older men just better idk

[sturdy steeple]

Honestly, characters like Queen and Sommers end up being the most entertaining characters in the arc.
Like Sommers has a bloodthirsty agenda for no reason whatsoever and he’s enjoying his life to the fullest as a sadist.

[ornate tartan]

that’s what i’m banking on next chapter

[grand flower]

He kinda looks like shanks snuck into Marijoa with fake hair he got from spirit Halloween

[vestal mural]

I mean yea he is a bully lol. Bully doesn’t necessarily have to mean he’s a fraud with insecurities tho, bro just enjoys it. Give it time, he will redeem himself

[muted hedge]

if not Garling, then it's Imu themselves

[grand flower]

Idk about all that

[sturdy steeple]

That moment during GV where he made a father catch his son despite thorns is an exceptionally well-made villain moment.

[grand flower]

Also being a bully is inherently pathetic

It means you need to punch down becausw you can’t handle who’s on your standing

Garling is a bitch

[frozen aspen]

if this is shamrock and shanks isn't here yet how many years ago is this again

[sturdy steeple]

Do villains have to act honourably in order for us to not think of them as frauds

[grand flower]

Ofc not

[muted hedge]

20 i think

[grand flower]

This isn’t about honor

[ornate tartan]

the very next panel says 20 years ago when harald visited fishman island

so somewhere around there or a little earlier

[ashen perch]

I mean he is a villain, Oda wanted to drive down that point to us that he is an opportunist and doesn't really believe in the idea of honour in these matters. Its not really a matter of strength here

[grand flower]

It’s about Garling’s displays being split between people who can’t actually fight back

[sturdy steeple]

The point is
Sommers hasn’t fought an opponent that’s on his level

[grand flower]

And the one time he goes up against a fighter

Oh you mean Sommers

Nvm

Sommers just gets punished

It’s hard not to see him as a fraud for that

Sommers and Garling are what people said big mom, kid and law were since Wano ended

[sturdy steeple]

Punished by strong opponents lol

[lofty fern]

That's the same year as Roger's death so he's 15 like Shanks

[vestal mural]

Fraudpiece my beloved

[grand flower]

It doesnt make a difference

[pulsar path]

Is this shamrock?

[grand flower]

Actually no

It’s exactly the point

[sturdy steeple]

I’m not those people though

So I don’t agree

[grand flower]

You only look good against weak people who can’t fight back?

[ornate tartan]

so what’s the consensus, do yall believe sanji can deal with sommers as he is now or he will require a power up?

[grand flower]

That’s what makes Garling look like a fraud

[ashen perch]

and also, I feel like, the "reason for his strength" that Oda mentioned in the 10Qs is gonna be just that he was motivated by his defeat at GV.

[muted hedge]

he'll awaken conquerors haki is my guess

[vestal mural]

Bro it’s literally his job

[grand flower]

With Sommers it’s not as bad because he at least fought Robin who’s a solid mid-tier

[sturdy steeple]

tbh Garling fought the strongest pirate 38 years ago

[ashen perch]

I think Sanji will require a powerup

[dense haven]

ez clap

[grand flower]

Okay that’s cool. But you’re not hearing me

It’s the CONTRAST

The ONE time Garling fought someone who was a fighter, it was embarrassing

[sturdy steeple]

He needs ACoC to fight him anyways

[grand flower]

That’s a very deliberate portrayal

Saying “Rocks was the strongest” isn’t a real point

That’s just the vehicle Oda used to embarrass Garling

[pulsar path]

This is shamrock? I mean it looks like shanks but this is before he joined isn't it ?

[vestal mural]

But the fact that we’ve only seen one fight should be reason not to call him a fraud since we don’t have enough information yet

[grand flower]

It’s still Oda embarrassing him because he’s such a scumbag

[sturdy steeple]

Who tf cares about contrasts? It’s the logic behind these fights.

[muted hedge]

it's Shamrock before he grew his hair out

[grand flower]

Alright bruh

[ornate tartan]

it’s shamrock, this is around 20 years ago or a little earlier

[grand flower]

If you’re gonna ignore how narrative portrayal works, that’s cool for you

[ornate tartan]

the next panel says Harald at fishman island which was 20 yrs ago

[vestal mural]

Yea pretty sure that’s before shanks. That’s what I gathered from the pages afterwards

[sturdy steeple]

He lost because he simply wasn’t strong enough to fight on Rocks. He wasn’t begging for his life or anything. He admitted he’s the real deal.

[pulsar path]

Why would he have hair like shanks

[grand flower]

Fraud status can be temporary

right now Garling is a fraud

[pulsar path]

That's just doesn't add up

[muted hedge]

hair needs to grow

[sturdy steeple]

Now he’s a Gorosei 38 years later. He can take on stronger opponents.

[grand flower]

Which is just a colloquial way of saying he got embarrassed by rocks

[pulsar path]

It does but not at that age

[muted hedge]

wdym

[ashen perch]

I don't think Oda was going for that personally, its just Xebec being too overwhelmingly powerful for him. Him killing Xebec is more in line with the idea that he is a opportunist with no honour, but that defeat to Xebec is nothing really.

[pulsar path]

It would always have been grown I would guess

[grand flower]

No way Oda accidentally did it

[muted hedge]

clearly not

[frozen aspen]

not only that but garling is portrayed as champion of god valley when all he did was kill rocks after garp and roger defeated him

[grand flower]

Especially because he KEPT doing it

[sturdy steeple]

Narrative portrayal in this case being Rocks’ superior strength, lol.

[grand flower]

Brownie point

[sturdy steeple]

You chose the dark side after all

[grand flower]

Garling showing up to finish off a dying paralyzed rocks with back up is hilarious

[sturdy steeple]

A shame

[grand flower]

Idk why you keep saying things that don’t really change what I said

[sturdy steeple]

And that’s a shame

[frozen aspen]

"champion of god valley" and all he did was get his ass kicked

[grand flower]

Rocks being so much stronger is just the vehicle Oda used for this portrayal of Garling

[vestal mural]

Yup. My man was just unlucky enough to be a xebec upscale. It’s not that he’s too weak, xebec is just too strong. And him getting to land the final hit was just pure perfection

[grand flower]

It doesn’t change that it still portrays Garling as pathetic

[ashen perch]

It happened once to the most overwhelmingly powerful opponent that Garling could have been faced against, Oda is not making some point about him only being capable of bullying the weak just because he couldnt bully THE strongest there.

[grand flower]

Garling can be strong and competent yadda yadda

It’s the fact that his strength and competence didjt matter the one time he went up against a real fighter

[pulsar path]

Yeah idk it's to weird shanks would have the same hair cut as shamrock so many years different

[sturdy steeple]

These real fighters differ in strength

[grand flower]

Before that Garling only looks good against slaves and chained up people and a civilian woman

[grand flower]

Holy shit bro

[sturdy steeple]

No, it’s me who should be saying that

[prisma yacht]

How do we always come back to garling

Lmao

[sturdy steeple]

Because he’s a hot topic I guess.

[ashen perch]

yupp

[grand flower]

This is the problem

[sturdy steeple]

Shuron, is Kid a fraud

[grand flower]

Yall keep thinking calling Garling a fraud is calling Garling weak

It’s not about how strong he is

[vestal mural]

I legit don’t get why people dislike him. I enjoy him as a character quite a bit

[grand flower]

I like you so I’m gonna tell you first but I just block people now who decide to engage in conversation like this

I’d rather we just agree to disagree

[sturdy steeple]

What?

[dense haven]

love oda with the good ol bait and switch

genius move truly

[grand flower]

I’m not here to waste my own time so when people start replying with BS I’m just not engaging with it anymore

[pulsar path]

Champion refers to I thought the amount of " rabbits" he killed

[grand flower]

I’m going to just block you if I’m talkin to you fr and you wanna start being disingenuous

[vestal mural]

What was wrong with keepers question lol

[sturdy steeple]

But isn’t Kid the same case? The first time he went up against a troublesome opponent ALONE he got his ass handed back to him. And that’s after him saying shit and torturing civilians.

I’m just pointing it out. Chill.

[grand flower]

Oh if that was a real question then no

[vestal mural]

Bruh

[hidden bison]

Hey anywhere i can read the 1167 spoilers?

[ashen perch]

he wasnt really called a champion, he was just said to have distinguished himself with God Valley and that I think was just him discovering the Davy Clan and standing out for Imu.

[vestal mural]

^

[sturdy steeple]

The chapter is out. Check announcements.

[grand flower]

For one thing, kid and law vs Big Mom wasn’t a 2 v 1, it was a 3 v 2. Big Mom’s homies attacked them from behind autonomously just like they were sneaking big mom

Secondly, if you go back to that fight, kid and law don’t even help each other that much

[sturdy steeple]

Yeah but that’s her power.

[vestal mural]

^

[grand flower]

There are several sequences where they legit just watch the other person get pummeled

[sturdy steeple]

Other emperors don’t need several other people to fight Big Mom head on.

[grand flower]

Thirdly, Kid knocks Big Mom down completely on his own several times

[sturdy steeple]

Well, at least the old emperors.

[grand flower]

Damned Punk holds Big Mom down through her Haki with pure force alone

[prisma yacht]

I don't think the fraud allegations will be removed until he actually defeats someone who is a fighter

And yes garling is quite a character def not a boring one

[grand flower]

What im getting at is, kid has several displays of individual strength in thi fight against big mom

Garling has none of that against fighters

That’s why he’s a fraud

Garling has only looked good against what’s essentially civilians

Kid also beat up Apoo and hurt Kaido

Garling has nothing like that

[sturdy steeple]

Shuron, I get that. But the first time Kid went alone against a character of that calibre without a backup - he got obliterated. And that’s after talking big and being an asshole.
After all, does it come back to strength?

[ashen perch]

but the problem with that is the assumption that Oda was trying to make him look good lol

he wasnt

[vestal mural]

At this point I would love for him to get one shot like kidd. Just for the fuck of it. Would be hilarious to see the outrage

[frozen aspen]

Garling was actually hyped as champion of god valley by the narrator before we see him get his as sbeat so by definition he is a fraud

[grand flower]

This is why I’m bouta just leave this conversation

I keep telling you niggas it’s not the isolated incident

[prisma yacht]

Kid was also never hyped up as much as garling btw

[grand flower]

It’s the contrast

[prisma yacht]

Lmao

[grand flower]

You keep responding to me without engaging with the concept of the contrast

It’s not about the fact that Garling had a showing that looked bad

You saying “oh uh kid looked bad”

Cool

Here’s your brownie points

Kid has also looked good

Garling has looked only bad

Does that compute for you?

[sturdy steeple]

I just don’t understand your reasoning behind it. I don’t see a character losing to a much stronger one as a fraud showcase.

Yeah, no, you’re getting overly aggressive. Let’s finish then.

[dense haven]

well you could argue that getting the same bounty as luffy is relatively a big glaze

[grand flower]

Ofc you don’t csuse you keep ignoring that I’m saying it’s that he doesn’t have any showings where he looks good to counter balance that bad showing

It’s not that Garling has a bad showing

It’s that that bad showing is his ONLY showing

[ashen perch]

does it really matter

[grand flower]

I don’t see how that doesnr click for you

[grand flower]

Talking about the current state of the character’s portrayal? Yeah?

[ashen perch]

its his one showing that we have seen

[prisma yacht]

Mip the outrage wld be from icon and the 2 other garling fans lol

Others just shit on his character and make memes

[grand flower]

Like I said before, this portrayal can change

But this is how Garling looks RIGHT NOW

[frozen aspen]

because he was deliberately portrayed as strong beforehand, he is literally called champion of god valley when he is introduced. He did not live up to the reputation created by the narrator himself and thats deliberate

[sturdy steeple]

And we’re yet to see Garling fight after all those years so lol

[grand flower]

This is how Oda has portrayed him as of right now

I do not know why yall are struggling to grasp that lol

[vestal mural]

Yea I wanna see those memes. And even the people shitting on him would be mad at oda ngl

[ashen perch]

also again, I think this is him distinguishing himself, he is never called the Champion

[dense haven]

garling is gonna fight dragon that's it that's his fight

[grand flower]

Nobody is saying this is all Garling will be

This is just what he is right now

[prisma yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/hell-burn-gif-25513772

[sturdy steeple]

Well, I’m just not gonna call him a fraud for that

Exactly because there’s a lot to be seen

[vestal mural]

The whole champion of his valley thing is just his version of the hero of the marines

[grand flower]

You can call him whatever you want

[sturdy steeple]

And that’s why I don’t agree here

[ashen perch]

Just to clear up the idea that his perception somehow clashed with his actions in GV, when he was just impressive for THIS reason, not his strength

[grand flower]

People calling him a fraud is just a colloquial way of saying “his portrayal is negative right now”

And that’s 100% true

Garling does not have any redeemable showings atm

[sturdy steeple]

In my mind, that brings other implications.

Like he’s not all that. And that doesn’t make sense to me after he was even appointed a Gorosei.

[grand flower]

Well it’s your choice to keep on going with your notion of it once you’ve been told how it’s being used

[vestal mural]

Getting the promotion is a good showing btw

[frozen aspen]

Also the holy knights are portrayed as menaces by dragon too. Surely they are tough to deal with if you don't have the right haki at your disposal but ar the end of the day they are just as full of themselves as the regular CD. CD sare spoiled brats and this includes the hk bc they rely on Regen by imu. The moment someone can work around their regen defense they are done. We have seen this be the case every single time

[grand flower]

I have things to say about that

[sturdy steeple]

Gosh

[grand flower]

There’s an element to Garling’s promotion that puts a bit of a damper on it

Imu very clearly promoted him in a rash decision

[vestal mural]

?

[grand flower]

I kinda feel like that’s gonna backfire

[ashen perch]

I doubt that lol

[vestal mural]

How tf do you know it was a rash decision

[grand flower]

Probably the fact that the other elders didjt even know about it?

[prisma yacht]

Well it makes sense why they got equal bounties...it's just we actually know how the fight went on

Also kid wasn't introduced with that hype
Garling was

[sturdy steeple]

Yeah, no. Not necessarily. He’s a prominent figure in a NARRATIVE PORTRAYAL

[ashen perch]

its been 38 years, he has slowly gone from captain to supreme commander of the HKs to a full fledged Gorosei

he clearly is qualified

[vestal mural]

Why would they need to know? It’s not their business and they have no say

[grand flower]

Also if you go back to Imus interaction with Saturn

Imu lashes out at Saturn and kills him in the midst of an emotional outburst

Imu basically throws a tantrum

It makes the promotion of Garling seem like a rash decision

[ashen perch]

Garling had arrived in the Hall of Power before Saturn's death

[dense haven]

because garling biggest science feat is making baking soda volcano in middle school lmaooo

[grand flower]

And?

[vestal mural]

Doesn’t matter if it’s a tantrum because obviously Saturn was gonna die for that failure

[ashen perch]

he didnt make that decision at the last second, it was a planned one

[grand flower]

Imu was still planning to kill Saturn

[prisma yacht]

LMAOO

[frozen aspen]

watch garling after 38 years, get his ass beat by either shanks or dragon

[ashen perch]

It can't be called an emotional decision when it was clearly calculated

[grand flower]

In the very short span between the SHs leaving and Saturn talking with the VAs, Imu made this decision and promoted Garling

It’s very much meant to be portrayed as something Imu does quickly

[frozen aspen]

"he is stronger now l" crowd disappearing in 0.5 seconds

[sturdy steeple]

Saturn fucked up so the next in line was the most competent person among CDs.

[grand flower]

The emotional outburst to Saturn beforehand just adds to that

[vestal mural]

Do you think Imu never had back ups for the gorosei?

[grand flower]

That’s not the point

[vestal mural]

Exactly this

[dense haven]

on all fairness it's gonna be extreme diff for dragon

[ashen perch]

"watch Garling after 38 years, get defeated by guy who is a Yonko or a guy who is also Yonko level"

[frozen aspen]

that just goes to show how low their standard there is

[ashen perch]

I feel like that is where this all sounds too silly to me

[sturdy steeple]

What the fuck are you even talking about

[grand flower]

The way Oda executes this plot development conveys abruptness because of the short time period Imu came to this decision in

[sturdy steeple]

[grand flower]

Theres abruptness because it catches the other elders off guard

[frozen aspen]

in the end of the daybit just means he lost again despite getting stronger

[ashen perch]

I just dont see it at all, Garling being prepared for everything shows that Imu had been prepping him for a while

[dense haven]

arsal do you really believe dragon is yonko level

[ashen perch]

I actually believe he is stronger

[prisma yacht]

I do

[grand flower]

Coming off the heels of Imu having an emotional outburst at Saturn makes it all come across like a decision Imu didn’t sit down and deliberate over

That’s my point

[frozen aspen]

imu 100% killed saturn on a whim

[vestal mural]

The boss of sabo, who escaped imu and the elders, is def very powerful

[grand flower]

It very much comes across like Imu made that decision in the spur of the moment

He was angry at Saturn so he’s gonna lash out and replace him

[vestal mural]

How can you not think that imu always had a replacement in mind for any of the elders

[grand flower]

Exactly

It’s just like his Lulusia decision

You can tell Imu didnt exactly sit down to put a bunch of thought into it

His reasoning is cold and simple

“Saturn fucked up and I’m angry as hell about it so I’m gonna kill him and replace him”

[frozen aspen]

I mean sure, he went for the next logical option

[grand flower]

That’s cool

[ashen perch]

He was angry, but that doesn't mean it was on a whim. Again, Garling wouldn't be so prepared if there was not some mutual understanding between Imu and him.

[frozen aspen]

but its not like this was sone super thought out plan

[grand flower]

My point is that Imu came to that decision abruptly

[sturdy steeple]

It was a quick decision most likely, yes. But was it an irrational one? Not really. He very likely had a person in mind long before appointing him as one.

[grand flower]

Nobody said it was irrational

[frozen aspen]

Saturn dead-> I need a new Elder-> pick Garling bc he is the hk supreme commander

[ashen perch]

I think Imu was ready to let go of him for a while

[vestal mural]

Ok let’s accept your abruptness for a sec. Tell me how becoming a gorosei isn’t a good showing in and of itself

[grand flower]

Unless that’s inherent to the word rash and I’m not aware of it

[sturdy steeple]

And yeah, Garling is already filled in when he enters the stage.

[grand flower]

I said “rash” meaning Imu made an emotionally charged decision in the spur of the moment

[ashen perch]

it is inherent to rash I am pretty sure

[sturdy steeple]

And that’s not the point

[grand flower]

Well I don’t think so because if you insult me and I punched you, that’s a rash decision

But also fully rational

[frozen aspen]

well we don't know exactly when he entered u do tealize that Imu can fill him in in a day right

[sturdy steeple]

That alone means it was a well-thought decision BASED on Garling’s performance.

[grand flower]

How are you gonna tell me when I initiated this

[sturdy steeple]

Because you’re clearly ignoring what I am saying?

[ashen perch]

yeah, but rash means doing something without necessarily thinking of the consequences or the implications, thats not the case with Imu

[grand flower]

Sucks doesnt it

[sturdy steeple]

What the hell is wrong with you today?

[grand flower]

I do think that’s going to end up being the case here tbh I have a feeling this decision is going to end up making things start falling apart

[ashen perch]

it was a calculated move from Imu, even if the decision was made in like the last hour or something, he was prepared for what should be next

[vestal mural]

This take is basically garling working all his life to climb up the ranks and he essentially becomes Putin’s right hand man only for garlings father to tell him he’s still a disappointment

[frozen aspen]

I can believe that imu had thought before that Garling would be a possible replacement shall one of the gorosei fail him. I refuse to believe however that imu planned to kill saturn on egghead

it was a whim

[grand flower]

That’s what I’m saying

Imu having Garling as a back up plan so to speak is probably true

[ashen perch]

no I am not saying he had foreseen how Egghead would go

[grand flower]

But his decision to implement that back up plan can still be a rash one

[sturdy steeple]

My guy, you might be having a tough period or whatever but don’t bring this onto me.
A rash decision is a rash one. So what? How Garling being appointed in a rash decision makes him fall in your eyes?

[ashen perch]

I am just saying that he killed Saturn while taking everything in consideration about what comes next

[sturdy steeple]

^

[pulsar path]

I got the feeling Saturn had some strikes already

[vestal mural]

How does that detract from the promotion tho?

[frozen aspen]

I personally don't see Garling so strong bc I also don't think much of the other gorosei

[grand flower]

Because I assume a rash decision will have consequences and that puts a damper on Garling’s promotion being something that makes him look good. For now, I’m skeptical about his promotion

[frozen aspen]

the 5 of them couldn't stop the SHs and giants

[ashen perch]

and again, yes, back to what was Mip's original point

[grand flower]

It makes me skeptical

[sturdy steeple]

I mean

[grand flower]

Under other circumstances I would take it wholesale

[ashen perch]

Garling receiving that promotion, and the many promotions since then in general is a strong point in his favor lol

[sturdy steeple]

Sure…? But I think he’s clearly portrayed in a way that makes us think of him as a very competent replacement for Saturn. Maybe even a better one.

[grand flower]

I take it with a grain of salt however because the fact that part of Imus rashness was an impetuous murder leads me to believe this won’t go well

[sturdy steeple]

Especially in strength department.

[vestal mural]

What do you think woulda happened if joyboy haki wasn’t there

[grand flower]

Saturn was also a competent elder

He still had flaws that undermined Imus desires

[sturdy steeple]

To a point, yes. But he failed.

[grand flower]

These aren’t mutually exclusive

[sturdy steeple]

He also lied about the robot.

[frozen aspen]

even before that they were clearly struggling

[grand flower]

I’m sure Garling will be competent

[pulsar path]

I really think this is the reason Imu was so mad

[ashen perch]

Garling is just a HK in God Valley, he is now called the captain of the HKs this chapter, and most recently he was called the Supreme Commander of the HKs before finally being promoted to an Elder. He has climbed the ladder in these 38 years, he has earned it.

[grand flower]

Dawg I literally said Saturn had flaws that undermined Imus desired

[frozen aspen]

Garling receiving promotions just means he is nore competent than the other HK

[keen quiver]

Talking about competence and promotion harald just stuck at the same rank for years.

[frozen aspen]

thats it

[grand flower]

I keep getting agro csuse you’re reading to reply

Not to understand

[ashen perch]

they were winning lol, the SHs were finished if the Gorosei had made it to the Giant Erik

[pulsar path]

Yeah but who was his competition? Sommers?

[keen quiver]

Sommers is barely competition ngl

[pulsar path]

I don't see any one else tho thats around still at least yet

Gunko has been around the same time and hasn't moved up right??

[sturdy steeple]

I just added dude

[pulsar path]

Only figurland gotten promotions

[frozen aspen]

gunkonis unique

[vestal mural]

That’s funny but it doesn’t matter lol. Oda made him an elder, enough said

[frozen aspen]

also u gotta remember this is one piece

[sturdy steeple]

Pretty much

[frozen aspen]

oda doesn't like women as top tiers

[ashen perch]

How do you guys think Shamrock is equal to Shanks but do not extend that to the father who has been ranked higher than him all his life lol

[frozen aspen]

[sturdy steeple]

Shamrock right now is an interesting case though

[keen quiver]

Strawhats would have died without rope haki

[pulsar path]

Honestly the whole goresei really kinda lost there edge at this point.

[vestal mural]

Lmfao Ty

[vestal mural]

Where do you place him strength wise?

[ashen perch]

(ultra fucked here)

[keen quiver]

There is no other place i feel the gorosei can really flex their influence outside a later war arc.

[grand flower]

Funny enough

And this is mostly memeing but kinda true

[pulsar path]

Luffy was handling a goresei and an admiral almost at the same time, if the whole straw hat crew, plus bonney , plus giants yeah idk I think the stars hats had that one

[grand flower]

Shamrock low-key makes the case for Garling being trash a little more

Cause if you wanna be funny you can point out how shamrocks only showing was fucking with a nigga in chains

[frozen aspen]

yeah thats what I'm saying. They might have been super conpetent Holy knights once upon a time given that the have Coc but after centuries of sitting around they are dull. They rely on regen too mich just like the HK and I think this is what will give the pirates/revs the advantage in the final war

[grand flower]

He just like his daddy

[vestal mural]

Standing your ground for a bit but then getting almost completely fucked doesn’t mean you’re winning

[ashen perch]

aight man lol

[grand flower]

Unlike shanks, a real nigga raised by real niggas

It’s just funny is all that the son who was raised by Garling also has his only showing against someone who couldn’t fight back

[ashen perch]

this is just kinda pointless till they do something, but I dont believe in feats like that, I always say it

[pulsar path]

Yeah idk we had discussion on this before and it just seems like a copout answer. If they were frozen I time there muscle memory wouldn't forget

[grand flower]

This only matters if for some reason you believe a characters current portrayal will be their only portrayal

[ashen perch]

I think their relevance in the story, their roles, thats what dictates strength

[grand flower]

You can just acknowledge that Garling sucks for right now

[pulsar path]

Luffy literally had kizaru and Saturn in the palm of his hands ..literally

[sturdy steeple]

No idea but at least a YC1.

[frozen aspen]

Idk Would be funny if shamrock could match shanks and garling was thebonly fraud of the family

[grand flower]

It doesn’t have to be a forever thing lmao

[sturdy steeple]

I still think admirals is powerhouse outside of Gorosei

[grand flower]

Tbh I think so

[ashen perch]

I dont think he does, I think he did kinda suck 38 years ago, but I think he climbed the ladder and proved himself

[sturdy steeple]

Holy Knights shouldn’t really be that strong.

[frozen aspen]

idk there is still a thing called out of practice

[grand flower]

Shamrock hears about his dad in me valley ans thinks to himself “oh hell naw somebody gotta redeem this bloodline”

[pulsar path]

It would be funny if the Davy mother is where all the strength comes from

[icy wolf]

it depends on the circumstances, the same for alot of roles

[sturdy steeple]

I guess

[icy wolf]

rn harald isnt even a holyknight

[dense haven]

I'd really hope so since he's been in the hk for longer than shamrock been alive

[sturdy steeple]

But the most prominent HKs were shown already imo

Garling is a Gorosei now

[frozen aspen]

Shanks and shamrock got busted genes but its all from their mom bc garling is lame

[ashen perch]

its not hope, I know its true, I know Garling is gonna be that powerful

[pulsar path]

How come Imu didn't seem to have lost any power since void than

[sturdy steeple]

And Shamrock is whatever

[dense haven]

wg is a gerontocracy in case you didn't notice already

[vestal mural]

Yea they don’t need to be. You just need a certain level of power or skill for your job

[grand flower]

Garling has a myth zoan sword too and every time he uses it he prays it doesn’t kill him too

[frozen aspen]

well imu isn't really fighting. He seems to be getting his strength from contracts and shit

[pulsar path]

Bot against rocks it seems

[sturdy steeple]

They’re stronger than anyone without ACoC simply because they can regenerate. That alone is enough.

[pulsar path]

I think it's the other way around

[vestal mural]

I think the community is jaded now after seeing so much ACoC. It’s wild to see folks call someone losing to ACoC, which is god tier haki a fraud

The whole point is that only a few have it

Wait

When was the first time we found out Garp had CoC?

[icy wolf]

acoc isnt even enough

[dense haven]

I ALWAYS knew garp had acoc

same with coby

[icy wolf]

you need like the strongest acoc attacks

from what we've seen with rocks

[ashen perch]

Thats what makes the whole "HKs are just nothing if they are attacked by ACoC" take so silly, because for one it isn't even true but secondly even if it was, its like the most rare ability in the entire series so... Fine? That's a massive deal lol

[icy wolf]

it took prime garp and roger strongest attacks which knocked them both out to remove the domi reversi/regen effects

[dense haven]

imu upscale

[ashen perch]

When he attacked Hachinosu

[keen quiver]

Thats because it was rocks

[vestal mural]

Ah

[keen quiver]

Not because of the regen itself

[icy wolf]

how do you know

[keen quiver]

Explained to us rock's haki MASS

[ashen perch]

Well hindsight is what it is, but there was a time when the belief that he didn't have CoC was a reasonable take

[dense haven]

no that's it's imu

[keen quiver]

Got in the way

[keen quiver]

Imu handing out haki ?

[icy wolf]

well we saw gaban use acoc on sommers and sommers got back up fine

[ashen perch]

Before ACoC was a thing, the idea that he just had ultra powerful armament was the common belief lol

[keen quiver]

When did it say it was his haki and not rock's

[icy wolf]

and rayleigh attacked sommers too and he was fine

[vestal mural]

Yea I was always on the Garp no CoC train. But hindsight is 20/20, and god valley changed some things

[pulsar path]

How Involved do you think star Constellations will be connected to the holy knights?

[sturdy steeple]

That’s true but you can least expect them to stay immobilised.

[ashen perch]

Yeah

[sturdy steeple]

In the battle that can be a deciding factor.

[safe cove]

damn