also-manga

[wet condor]

But I don't hate WB for it though. Just weird way for him to act

[hoary steppe]

They didn’t know

[tough igloo]

they knew

[hoary steppe]

Only roger and garp noticed the change

[tough igloo]

they just didn’t care

[frigid gulch]

I think hating him is a little extreme

Tbh

[tough igloo]

Big Mom even pointed out how Rocks physically changed

and she wasn’t even with him as long as WB was

so if she noticed , then Newgate ….. no excuses lol

[pine ridge]

maybe rocks should've made deeper bonds with his crew

[frigid gulch]

She noticed but still felt betrayed

So that doesn’t matter

[leaden rivet]

So what the rest of them are blind?

[tough igloo]

it’s not even about the bonds , i’m talking specifically about the man that WB was implied to be before we got this flashback …

[leaden rivet]

Big mom knew something was up

[tough igloo]

the other crew members leaving is in character for them but not WB

[pine ridge]

a family man?

[pine ridge]

rocks wasnt family

[leaden rivet]

But her leaving makes sense because she has no bond with rocks

Whitebeard doesn’t make sense

[tough igloo]

he was with Rocks for over a decade .. trying to act like he didn’t have a bond with him sounds as dumb as when mfs used to try to say harald didn’t view rocks as a friend

[frigid gulch]

I think it’s written all the same. Cause he attacked all 3

[vernal ravine]

rocks is the type of character to have a tragic death he is not newgate or roger, he had to be abandoned

[frigid gulch]

But yea WB is a little different

[pine ridge]

rocks didnt tell his own crew about his real motives behind going to god valley

[hoary steppe]

They didnt know fully, literally

[pine ridge]

they clearly werent that close

[tough igloo]

that’s has absolutely nothing to do with WB and the type of man he is

[hoary steppe]

This single panel proof they cared about him

[tough igloo]

WB already told rocks that he was gonna fight alongside him regardless so him not telling them why he came to god valley is irrelevant to WB leaving rocks

[frigid gulch]

I think that would primarily be due to there being a rat in the crew. Rocks couldn’t be sure

[thin quest]

I got the impression WB knew Rocks was changed and felt it was time to break away.

[pine ridge]

it should tell you how much trust rocks had built within the crew, which is none

[steel stirrup]

WB seemed to have cared and even Kaido seemed to

Big Mom was always looking for an opportunity to leave

[hoary steppe]

Explain the panel then

[frigid gulch]

But it speaks to Rocks not even trusting that WB wasn’t the rat

[tough igloo]

Rocks crew wanted to come for Shakky anyway so rocks reason for coming shouldn’t matter cause they had their own reasons for coming

[hoary steppe]

Yeah BM had the chance

Yet she stayed

[frigid gulch]

So yea

[hoary steppe]

Its a fact

[frigid gulch]

It wasn’t like a Harald type bond

[hoary steppe]

They all there fighting imu for nothing

Willingly

You can’t ignore this shits, the other are searching for treasure

[ornate tartan]

he’s not gonna stick around and die for him, for that he has to respect him as his captain first which he never did, he never saw himself as Rocks underling

I agree that leaving the way he did was dumb, but then again Whitebeard probably thought it was more trouble then it was worth to stick around

Whitebeard offered to give him a hand to say thanks for the drinks he paid for him, not because that is his captain. The Rocks crew was a bunch of individuals who could never work together which was been told to us by the narrator many times

[frigid gulch]

Kaido basically joined his bros in combat

[tough igloo]

WB was always implied to be a honorable stand up man as a pirate who would ride with you if he’s with you (like he was in MF) … i ain’t get that vibe in GV

[pine ridge]

that's not the point. the point is even rocks didnt trust his own crew

[leaden rivet]

Ew

[pine ridge]

he did until rocks attacked him

[tough igloo]

i know that , i never denied that . my point is specifically about WB and the type of man he was implied to be …

[tough igloo]

Rocks with WINGS. FANGS GLOWING EYES 😂😂cmon now. is he blind

[steel stirrup]

Still a 7

[pine ridge]

maybe rocks should've bonded with his crew more so they would know he would never attack them

but clearly he didnt

as evident by him keeping his family matters secret

[ornate tartan]

there was no crew dynamic

[sage temple]

Sub-Ripley

[frigid gulch]

Yes even with all that, all 3 thought he was normal

[tough igloo]

lmao so cause rocks crew was too dumb to realize rocks was transformed into something else and wasn’t being himself .. his bond with his crew would’ve changed that 😂😂🤦🏾‍♂️

[ornate tartan]

just a bunch of strong individuals together

[frigid gulch]

That’s how it was written

[tough igloo]

right which is why i said all 3 are dumb and that’s expected from Kaido & Linlin but not WB

[ornate tartan]

how many times does the narrator and the characters in the series have to tell us this for the fanbase to remember

[prisma yacht]

Xebec is surprised here that wb is gonna fight alongside him.
This implies they weren't close and only helped each other when they had some personal gains from it.

Wb fought imu only bcs he had honour

[pine ridge]

how would they know what the cause of that change was? for all they know rocks made a deal with imu

[tough igloo]

so it’s either they’re dumb or bad writing or both lol

[sweet anvil]

Agreed people say the risk wasn’t worth it but I feel like if we’re going of wbs character he should’ve stayed for his captain

[ornate tartan]

correct

[tough igloo]

bruh they saw rocks fighting a monster and saw he was perfectly fine before , when he comes back down from the monster he’s completely changed … do they not have common sense?!

[ornate tartan]

he has to respect him as his captain first
WB never acknowledged Rocks as his captain

[sweet anvil]

Yeah I’m sure they believe their captain a guess with a crazy strong will made a deal with the “world” when he wants to be king of the world

[pine ridge]

idk maybe imu said kill you crew or I'll kill your family

[tough igloo]

yeah that has nothing to do with his crew seeing he physically changed

[leaden rivet]

What Whitebeard said to rocks at the start of god valley was like the most obvious clearly banter thing ever

[sweet anvil]

Even if he’d just though of him as a friend/comrade I would expect him to stay

[tough igloo]

they only saw Rocks fighting one thing and that was that monster .. common sense should’ve told them that monster did something to rocks

[prisma yacht]

They act like rocks pirates were sh 😂

[wet condor]

I mean in hindsight you can look at it like that

[vernal ravine]

shirohige helped due to his honour, kaido and linlin just wanted to be there but when domi reversi happened they just be feeling like hell naw i'm outta this shit

[wet condor]

We don't see them interact at all really

There's a few times

[pine ridge]

yeah but what and why are the big questions

[leaden rivet]

Yeah that’s the direction of which I’m looking at it

[pine ridge]

did rocks promise to betray his crew in the face of death? who knows

[wet condor]

Banter though also implies like they'd be joking, which it doesn't seem like to me lol

[sweet anvil]

So it’s more logical to assume he betrayed them than to assume he was being controlled in that context is your point

[pine ridge]

if rocks had a real crew with deeper bonds and trust, his crew would know that rocks would never sell them out

[wide star]

all 3 of them are just idiots .. that gotta be what Oda was trying to tell us lol they were too dumb to look and see that rocks was completely different visually and mentally

[wet condor]

Like they're not chuckling about it or nothing

[pine ridge]

well how would they know. it's not like they've seen someone as strong as rocks be forcefully manipulated before

[vernal ravine]

in this chapter actually rocks called his crew villians so that's the bond of the crew for him

[pine ridge]

rocks knew the risk of building a crew through davy back fight and whatnot and paid the price

[sweet anvil]

seeing as in whitebeards conversation rocks called that thing the “world” and how he wants to be king of the world I think it’s safe to assume that him taking the side of imu wouldn’t be by his own will , you could argue he was given an ultimatum between family and his crew but they didn’t know about his family so how would they guess that

[ornate tartan]

yep that’s his goal to gather or band together all the outlaws

[sweet anvil]

Assuming he was being controlled would’ve been one of the most logical assumptions imo

[ornate tartan]

not revolutionaries or freedom fighters

[hoary steppe]

It doesn’t imply anything, he was there to help him while gaining nothing at all.. on this panel WB mad that xebec saying they’re bunch of ppl who holding him back, these ppl genuinely didn’t know

[tough igloo]

it’s fine now , Newgate paid for it

[pine ridge]

after seeing how strong imu is and rocks being helpless against imu, maybe rocks gave in and surrendered

[leaden rivet]

Not that they’re joking, but that he doesn’t really feel that way completely. I think it’s in the same light of how he said he’s going to risk his life for rocks because he never pays his tab. It’s obviously deeper than that it’s just Whitebeard isn’t saying it.

[slender sluice]

I believe this whole wb ordeal is a fault on oda’s part. He wrote himself into a corner letting sengoku say it was roger & garp vs rocks. He couldnt add wb to that equation anymore

[sweet anvil]

Rocks is arguably the craziest , smoke demon we’ve seen and them knowing that more than us you think they assumed he surrendered

[grand flower]

Bruh from his POV Rocks himself said “idc about Yall”

[ornate tartan]

this will go on forever shuron😂

[hoary steppe]

Nah it isn’t a fault ngl, roger and garp understand there’s something wrong with xebec cuz the VOAT

[pine ridge]

maybe rocks should've built some trust into his crew and they would know

[olive sigil]

@lofty fern has garling and gloriosa
@stray prism has garling and Sommers

This is how the points will for this

2-2 or 1-1, we keep going
2-0 or 2-1 whoever wins gets the title
1-0, no win but whoever got the 1 can use those 2 characters again, you need 2 characters to win
0-0 both lose, we bring back marin and R8

[leaden rivet]

Im still on the fact that this never actually happened

[sweet anvil]

Bro they did know what he was like and he’s not the type to surrender like that

[slender sluice]

Imu hop off of your alt thank you

[sweet anvil]

It’s pretty obvious

[hoary steppe]

He loudly say yes

[thick mango]

I don't think it's reasonable to expect whitebeard to decrypt the mind control of it all when very threatening rocks is swinging at him

[wide star]

true at least Teach got it back in blood 🤷🏾‍♂️

[leaden rivet]

Decrypt as if it’s a complicated code lol

[sweet anvil]

He had a solid 5 minutes to think more about it before he left the island

[hoary steppe]

The panel says it, its not a speculation 😭

[leaden rivet]

And it’s not just your boss acting out of character, looking demonic and growing several sizes bigger lol

[slender sluice]

Yeah this was weird im ngl. Hope oda addresses this next chapter

[wet condor]

I'll just chalk it up to WB being honorable dude but he and Xebec aren't that close really. That's why he left and didn't think that hard about Xebec turning into a demon lol

I don't really wanna try to rationalize it too much any more

[runic dock]

SB will say there was no reason or sign WB turned his back tho

[wet condor]

[pine ridge]

did they know that tho? the whole premise of joining his crew was that everyone was in it for themselves and nothing more. why would rocks be any different

[hoary steppe]

She ask it

Literally

[sweet anvil]

Yes everyone acknowledged rocks to be a crazy madman

[thick mango]

I think it's easy to Monday morning quarterback from your computer chair when one of the most threatening people of your generation is not actively trying to kill you

[sweet anvil]

That much is obvious

[slender sluice]

Wonder if this hurt him more than bajrang gun

[ornate tartan]

can’t believe some of yall saying one of the kindest characters Whitebeard who gave people without a place to go family deserved to die

Are u talking out of your attachment to rocks, or are u guys actually being serious??

[runic dock]

It’s because he felt he got betrayed , we don’t need to run all these mental gymnastics about it it’s not that layered

[hoary steppe]

[slender sluice]

They are trolling i think.

[lofty fern]

We just have to go with what Oda gave us. WB decided he wasn't needed here any more

[hoary steppe]

Ofc bajarang, das just random haki throw 💀

[wet condor]

Yeah, but the thing is he can't see Rocks turned into a demon? He couldn't have thought a little bit harder about it than what he did?

[sweet anvil]

People are doing all of these mental gymnastics to try justify wb not knowing

[leaden rivet]

Girl you know that’s not what this is lol

[wet condor]

That just not squaring with me

[wide star]

not that he deserved to die , but just no longer feel bad for what Rocks son did to him later on

[sweet anvil]

If anything I’d assume he did know and chose to not help

[runic dock]

That’s clearly enough for me to tell that the rocks crew felt they got betrayed by their captain

[leaden rivet]

It’s not like fucking rocket science to tell something happened to rocks lol

[runic dock]

Goddamn some of yall just miss the forest for the trees with this one

[slender sluice]

This was kaido’s first time transforming though and he was very weak compared to present day kaido

[hoary steppe]

Wdym justifying

[prisma yacht]

Rocks was clearly surprised wtf are u denying 😭

Also that panel explains why he left helping him
He sure did feel sad about how things turned out this way.
BUT does he care enough to stick around once the guy has literally tried to kill him? A big NO.

[leaden rivet]

Blackbeard did nothing wrong.

[runic dock]

This isn’t really a point when you think of the context of the whole series , lots of people have fangs , lots of people have horns , it’s just another power up form

[ornate tartan]

He did do something very wrong

[runic dock]

There’s no way you as a op character can say that’s some kind of manipulated form

[pine ridge]

ok and? a crazy madman would never do the crazy thing of turning on his own crew?

[wide star]

Buggy grows wings with fangs and glowing eyes and grows bigger .. even cross guild would know something is up and they ain’t close at all lol

[sweet anvil]

Not when he’s going against the very thing that his goal is to go against

[prisma yacht]

Why are u dragging bb in here bro
It's clearly about wb and rocks

[wet condor]

I'm just not buying it lol

[sweet anvil]

He literally refers to imu as the world

[latent hamlet]

he awakened his true power

[pine ridge]

well how would they know that

[hoary steppe]

Im denying the implications, wb didnt got personal gains there yet he help

[prisma yacht]

Umm krome....

[wet condor]

It's weird behavior to me

[leaden rivet]

That explanation doesn’t even make sense lol

[slender sluice]

Dont worry, Newgate is the goat real ones know that 🤍

[latent hamlet]

tbf that was more paying off a small debt
that debt wasnt big enough to stay longer with demon rocks

[prisma yacht]

The thing is bb is my love

[leaden rivet]

They’ve been with rocks for fucking years and randomly he decides to pull out horns grow bigger and shit while fighting this demonic type being all on the flip of a switch

That’s so dumb

Delete Ts Earl

[runic dock]

It’s not that serious and it’s not that deep , they saw what they saw and they didn’t have a whiteboard to theorize perfectly about what’s happening to rocks , dude , if you’re not buying it that’s on you , the manga did its job to portray that message , you’re choosing willfully to IGNORE the text shown to you about what whitebeard and the rest were saying to rocks after he transformed and what he replied

[hoary steppe]

Well yeah , but kaido at peak when bajarang

[slender sluice]

blame oda

[wide star]

lmao makes no sense at all

[runic dock]

https://tenor.com/view/charlie-day-gif-18564553

They didn’t have time to do this

[olive sigil]

Did you see the news?

[runic dock]

They saw what they saw

They saw their captain betray

That’s it

[hoary steppe]

Wb didnt know its demon rocks

[slender sluice]

I love your pfp

[sweet anvil]

They all know he wants to be king of the world and then also refers to imu as the world itself it’s not really difficult to assume that imu had some relation to rocks goal

[runic dock]

Thanks!

[wet condor]

Yeah it is on me

I never said it wasn't lol

I don't find it believable

[ornate tartan]

he killed his adoptive father who let him on his ship for 30+ years. Without WB how would Blackbeard life even have turned out?

if u don’t see an issue with this then im shocked. Rocks fate was sealed the minute he got turned by Imu. Whitebeard wouldn’t have changed anything

[slender sluice]

Gil Bastar the true champion of god valley

[tough igloo]

coming up with all these excuses instead of just saying WB was a idiot lol

[runic dock]

*were saying

[pine ridge]

how would they know rocks wouldnt turn on them if it's the only way to survive

[sweet anvil]

Whitebeard could’ve saved him before being ended by the HK

[tough igloo]

it’s okay ,maybe WB got smarter once he got older lol

[runic dock]

I would urge a reread , that’s all I can say

Like from beginning to end of the incident

Not snippets

[wet condor]

I'm not going to lol

[olive sigil]

Did the discord app update?

[hoary steppe]

People

These entire panel they’re clueless about whats happening on rocks

Why yall denying oda’s work 😭

[prisma yacht]

Yeah I did mention it pls read my msgs again
What you are denying and what you're replying to are two different things

[tough igloo]

don’t even feel bad that Teach killed WB anymore lol

[runic dock]

Then yeah it’s just a matter of reading comprehension

Oh well

[wet condor]

I can read fine Earl lol

I just don't find it believable

[hoary steppe]

I think u have different point, my main point is wb didnt know its demon rock

[latent hamlet]

i have a question for people
lets say they completely were aware and knew that the enemy they fought completely mind controlled rocks and made him crazy

why would they still stay and help?

[sweet anvil]

Exactly you can either assume wb was dumb and didn’t make the connections or he did have some idea and just didn’t want to stay anymore

[runic dock]

Like hello??? “Would you really turn on us!!!”

Rocks : “YES!!!”

Yall: i just don’t see it

[wet condor]

I don't know why you're getting disrespectful because I don't find it believalbe lol

[slender sluice]

Too far twin

[frigid gulch]

lol Rocks is even screaming and shit there

[latent hamlet]

whether they know its mind control or not

at that point, honestly
who gives a fuck

[hoary steppe]

They will still help

IF

They hear xebec says

:please kill me

[frigid gulch]

That makes me think..

[runic dock]

Because it’s so obvious and in your face it’s pissing me off that you don’t lol

[frigid gulch]

They prob shoulda realized

[hoary steppe]

Xebec begging to die

[wet condor]

I dont care lol

[hoary steppe]

: yeah that’s rocks ngl

[runic dock]

I don’t care that you don’t , I’ll just continue pushing my point

That’s just me tho

[sweet anvil]

Kaido and bm probably still leaving ngl

[latent hamlet]

my point is
realization or not
its clearly a "nah i dont wanna stick around for THIS"

[leaden rivet]

“Rocks you’re bigger and you look evil and shit, it’s gotta be totally unrelated to that evil demon you were just fighting”

[vernal ravine]

even if they realize afterwards there is no reasonable reason to go fight for a demon guy who you din't even have ties with

[wet condor]

Then why you are getting disrespectful

[latent hamlet]

maybe, but thats just more what ifs on what ifs
i just think whether they realize it or not, there isnt much value in staying

[prisma yacht]

I'm crying bro what do u think I'm trying to tell u

[tough igloo]

not at all lol i didn’t say he deserved to die i just don’t feel bad anymore that Teach did what he did to WB

[pine ridge]

or he just made a deal with the devil

who knows

[frigid gulch]

Idk. I feel it’s better to say they just felt betrayed

[urban lodge]

Mid valley

[leaden rivet]

Well let’s not stick around and find out. Gotta blast.

[sweet anvil]

🗣️🗣️

[hoary steppe]

She still staying while that demonic blob was there tho

[wet condor]

All because I don't agree with what you had to say lol. I'm over here chilling

[pine ridge]

well it's not like rocks had ever given them a reason to trust him

[hoary steppe]

Yet they did stay

[jade rain]

That is clearly the reason for kaido and BM, but WB thing is just dumb on oda, he should have given a better justification for him

[runic dock]

What I said isn’t a big deal , get over it

[hoary steppe]

Idonno, blud i just replied to other guy 😭

[latent hamlet]

WB got sent flying
not much reason to chase

[frigid gulch]

Idk if Rocks screaming “AAAAAH” and then being thrown away after being pierced by a monster is a “deal” with the devil

[runic dock]

“Evil” is subjective lmao , every mf and their grandma in one piece got fangs and horns

That’s just racism

[pine ridge]

they've never seen any of the shit that happened before

[ornate tartan]

Roger and Garp only stuck around to protect their crew and marine group respectively. No one other then Harald probably would have tried to help Rocks just because

[frigid gulch]

So ?

[prisma yacht]

Nah it's fair with how I view it

Soo

[wet condor]

You do this shit every time someone disagrees and I haven't done the opposite

[leaden rivet]

Earl stop replying to me with that dumb shit

[ornate tartan]

which includes WB Big Mom and Kaido

[pine ridge]

how would they know

[sweet anvil]

This is probably the last time we see wb in the story as well

Pretty sad

[pine ridge]

harald knew about eris and teach so he would probably stay

[frigid gulch]

That’s how they would know. If you’re saying he made a “deal” then how is that behaviour typical of what a deal would be

[hoary steppe]

Xebec said yes they all trash

[leaden rivet]

They’ve been sailing with this mf rocks for years and he suddenly grows fucking horns and it’s normal because other people in the verse have horns?

[vernal ravine]

nah

[urban lodge]

There's still a chance we get a Roger flashback

[runic dock]

I do it when I know I’m right I’m not right every time and concede points many times , nice try tho

[vernal ravine]

teach flashback is guranteed

[pine ridge]

or he made a deal with imu

[leaden rivet]

I think we’ve seen enough of Whitebeard

[pine ridge]

who knows

[jade rain]

but WB is portrayed to fight till the end for his comrade,him not caring anymore is not valid imo. atleast oda could have showed WB to have woken up after everything is over

[leaden rivet]

Yes darling

[pseudo gulch]

WRONG

[sweet anvil]

I don’t think a Roger backstory is necessary or relevant atp ngl and if it is i don’t think wb will have any role in it

[urban lodge]

One double spread can't redeem multiple chapters of disappointment

And I didn't even have expectations

[hoary steppe]

😭

[frigid gulch]

Though a deal with the devil is probably the most plausible explanation of what I’ve seen assuming youre also saying their bond wasn’t that great including WB who people get the most pissy about

[pine ridge]

the only thing that I'd like to know is who gave roger the strawhat

[leaden rivet]

Why are you sending me a panel with no words

[frigid gulch]

It’s all arguable

[hoary steppe]

On the bottom 🗿

[wet condor]

Lol, alright man. Go get indignant over something as innocuous as a manga who's in front of you who's willing to mix it up

[runic dock]

We may get a Roger flashbsck for the sake of the strawhat’s lore because the strawhat itself is extremely important to the end , but yeah we may not get more on WB , polo gram is your only hope regarding that

[leaden rivet]

Yeah honestly after the way god valley was it furthers my belief that rocks is an unnecessary character.

[ornate tartan]

I hope yall know whether they knew or not they weren’t gonna stick around (WB BM and Kaido)

Nothing to gain from it and more trouble then it’s worth

Roger stayed to protect his crew and Garp to protect his group of marines

Now if we are talking like someone who is Rocks friend like Harald in this situation, I believe he wouldn’t leave no matter what

[sweet anvil]

Polo grams death probably sbs material too

[wet condor]

But you not gon' do that of course lol

[urban lodge]

The one aspect that is kinda interesting to think about is they would have probably known if Rocks actually talked to them about his objectives

[runic dock]

Maybe lol

[prisma yacht]

Well from harald's pov xebec is plenty strong to pull it off alone

[frigid gulch]

I don’t think he could cause of the risk of a snitch

[pine ridge]

even when wb stuck around to fight imu he said it was to pay back for drinks, not because they were friends or whatever

[sweet anvil]

Imo it feels like god valley wasn’t planned too well and kinda feels forced into the story outside of the harald content

[frigid gulch]

At least from how much he told Harald

[leaden rivet]

Lowkey I feel like he could trust Whitebeard, but the issue is that the less people that know the better

So it makes sense from his perspective

[frigid gulch]

Yes but I doubt Rocks gave a shit about a tab

[wet condor]

He never took a shine to Whitebeard in the smae way

[leaden rivet]

This is virtually his only weakness, that and being mind controlled I guess

[grand flower]

Or ya know, it’s the way rocks says “yes Whitebeard I do not care about you” as he attacks

[wet condor]

For whatever reason

[pine ridge]

yeah but it just shows what their relationship was like

[frigid gulch]

Even though Rocks assembled his crew through Davy Back Fights and such, he never forced them to stick around or do anything

[ornate tartan]

Rocks also used Voice of All Things with Roger and Garp

[hoary steppe]

Yes

[frigid gulch]

He told them they could leave

If they didn’t believe in his plan

[vernal ravine]

acting like rocks isn't important for loki literally the most impoortant character of elbaph and harald literally the king of giants

[leaden rivet]

You could kinda tell early on that oda had no real way to justify all those pirates at god valley so he randomly made Shakky so fucking sexy that she can stop the world economy to get all the people who otherwise have no reason to be there, there

[sweet anvil]

The way I see it

[wraith mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/kizaru-swag-gif-27315631

[pine ridge]

then ig they chose a good moment to leave

[wet condor]

[urban lodge]

It's clear Oda just had a very rough idea in mind and not the details

[jade rain]

Isn't VOAT the ability to hear? do you think zunesha and sea kings also have VOAT?

[prisma yacht]

That's the only reason they could figure out that something is wrong
and also the crying face xebec had while fighting them

[leaden rivet]

Garling murdering his baby mom because Shakky is just that hot

[hoary steppe]

These people notice it

The crew didn’t

[ornate tartan]

Possibly

[sweet anvil]

People are now doing all sorts of mental gymnastics to try disprove this though

[ornate tartan]

yeah the crying part too

[wet condor]

Here I thought GV was going to be some incredible treasure

[hoary steppe]

Voat is the biggest reason ngl

[urban lodge]

That's dumb. You can have criticisms of the story and still enjoy it

[wet condor]

Something that could've clued Roger in on the world history, the OP

[frigid gulch]

Well yea the rest of them were obsessed with treasure

Not WB tho

He was in that area with the rest of them

[leaden rivet]

Im actually a little surprised big mom fought with rocks

I wonder why she did that

[frigid gulch]

Until he left probably after sensing Imu’s haki

[wet condor]

She didn't really

[prisma yacht]

She was trying to kill kaido lmaoo

[wet condor]

She pulled up to get at Kaido lol

[hoary steppe]

She stayed

[wet condor]

And then she stuck around for a lil' bit going back and forth with him

[leaden rivet]

Well she did stay and fight Imu which is what I meant

[runic dock]

Shakky being hot at 60whayever was always foreshadow to her being super sexy , she was just a plot device that served her role perfectly, glorified sexy plot device

[frigid gulch]

Also I guess they got the sense that the Rocks Pirates were cooked

[leaden rivet]

Stfu Earl

[frigid gulch]

Because of the chaos on the island

[wet condor]

She hit him with that one attack, and then just sat there lol

[runic dock]

What you don’t like me trivializing shakkys role?

[hoary steppe]

Meanwhile shiki was flying with treasure

[steel stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/falcon-sam-wilson-outta-line-but-gif-22091662

[runic dock]

Didn’t know you liked her that much

Sorry

[leaden rivet]

I didn’t even read what you said I just wanted to say that lol

[frigid gulch]

Ultimately most of them planned on abandoning anyway

[pine ridge]

the leader of your crew attacking you is as good of a reason to leave as any. it's pretty clear the plan is fucked

[runic dock]

TIL ily is a super fan of shakky

[frigid gulch]

Yea I mean I don’t have an issue with that

[runic dock]

That’s fair

[frigid gulch]

If you consider how Oda wrote it

[leaden rivet]

Yes I’m the biggest Shakky fan ever. Didn’t you know?

[frigid gulch]

That’s the intent

[runic dock]

I can tell by the pfp

[frigid gulch]

It doesn’t mean you can’t raise other problems about it

[hoary steppe]

Captain john stealing treasure
The mr3 guy steals john treasure
Shiki steal again that treasure too

BM stays with rocks for no reason

[dapper tree]

I thought SB was

[somber flare]

And I am the #1 SENTOMARU FAN

[ornate tartan]

🔥

[frigid gulch]

Oda just wanted BM in that group

[runic dock]

[frigid gulch]

Only WB and Kaido actually pulled up

[dapper tree]

I mean, you are the only one

[runic dock]

Bm accidentally excused her way into the group photo smh lmao

[somber flare]

yeah I won a battle royale to claim the title

[leaden rivet]

I don’t know what bit SB is currently doing

[frigid gulch]

Sentomaru’s dope

[leaden rivet]

Last I remembered it was Saturn but after I stopped paying attention

[dapper tree]

I don't know either

[somber flare]

He's crying that Rocks is dead

[urban lodge]

He's mourning Rocks

[wet condor]

It's weird. I don't nkow if her intent was to stay and fight after arguing with Kaido or not. But she was getting into it with him, and then when Rocks transformed her focus switched over to that obviously lol

[somber flare]

He got killed by Gargling

[urban lodge]

But he'll find a new goat soon

[dapper tree]

SB should talk to meek, Meek will convince him he's still alive

[frigid gulch]

Rocks will never be forgotten

[somber flare]

Remember when it was saturn until he was brutally murdered and reduced to nothing but bones

[wraith mantle]

sb should stan gunko next

[hoary steppe]

She definitely saw the monster imu and rocks at the sky, and knew rocks needed help or smth and yea it goes forward

[leaden rivet]

Oh

[frigid gulch]

Sb’s goats dying one after the other

[dapper tree]

he hates women

[leaden rivet]

What is Meeks @

[frigid gulch]

[urban lodge]

Sb would never stan a woman

[wraith mantle]

😭

[pine ridge]

the lightning strike at the end was very similar to logue town. if luffy survived the execution, maybe rocks did too

[gloomy tree]

Sb and stanning a woman lol

[leaden rivet]

Is he in this server?

[hoary steppe]

Fun fact: he once like a female chars

[leaden rivet]

Can’t find him

[hoary steppe]

Wanna know?

[dapper tree]

don't give meek hope

[somber flare]

meek18

[desert nest]

You are cooking

[leaden rivet]

@vital heart is the viz or tcb more accurate with Garp and dragons conversation? Does he say I know? Or is it more like K.

[wet condor]

Rocks should be dead

[hoary steppe]

He did stan york once lmao

[wet condor]

I like Rocks a lot

[wraith mantle]

man wtf was that lightning strike meant to represent

[wet condor]

The last thing I want is him to suffer from one of Oda's fakeout deaths

[pine ridge]

I agree. I think this would be a good end for him

[wet condor]

I didn't think much of it. It reminded me of another manga

[desert nest]

Maybe it was fate who saved Luffy in loguetown

[wet condor]

Fist of the North Star if y'all have read or watched that

[pine ridge]

the D brings the storm or whatever

[leaden rivet]

I thought he would say something more of substance when he died or have an more iconic death

But it’s ok I suppose

[hoary steppe]

Oouuuhh

[wet condor]

Me too

[ornate tartan]

👀

[hoary steppe]

I didnt notice that

Peak

[dapper tree]

He is dead

don't doubt

[wet condor]

I don't lol

[dapper tree]

or that give meek power

[hoary steppe]

Says who

[wraith mantle]

ig i like how the lightning branches represent the various stories that sprung out of GV
Roger, garp, BM, Kaido, shanks, BB, dragon etc

[dapper tree]

the manga

[dapper tree]

I know, you ignore the manga

[vale heath]

Do you think Garp still wears his cape when he’s giving the D

[hoary steppe]

https://tenor.com/view/rinauchis-cocobearkins-gif-26346664

[pine ridge]

rayleigh

[dapper tree]

Yes you

[hoary steppe]

So sad

[hoary steppe]

Why me

[dapper tree]

simply cause you reacted as you did

[steel stirrup]

JoJo inspo go brrrrr

[wet condor]

I've only seen up to Stardust Crusaders

They came out at around the same time I believe

[steel stirrup]

If you have time i would recommend it but idk what your taste are like

To finish it i mean

[vale heath]

Jojo is okay I guess

[wet condor]

Jojo is alright. I may pick it back up again

[vale heath]

Charlotte Daifuku has a stand

[wet condor]

He does lol

[steel stirrup]

LMAOOOOO

Demonio Fleur is a Stand to me lmaoo

Robin's technique

[frigid gulch]

Does he know

[steel stirrup]

He finds out quickly

[latent hamlet]

if OP was written by fans he'd be saying "roger, garp, you must carry on my legacy"

and then when garling stabs him he'd say "you're a fucking bum"

[steel stirrup]

Imagine seeing three mfs approach you when you're already on deaths door

[prisma yacht]

Ok smugu u have said this one before

[wet condor]

That's kind of what it sounded like in the TCB translation

[steel stirrup]

I would've talked hella shit if I was Rocks

[latent hamlet]

ik, but seeing this translation is just funny

[soft tangle]

Who you just demolished also

[frigid gulch]

He does but I wonder if anything about his crew flashed in his mind

[wet condor]

Not carry on my legacy, but he made it seem like there was something left for Roger and Garp to do lol

[desert nest]

He isn’t dead

[steel stirrup]

Does Xebec know that Roger and Garp are D clan?

[desert nest]

😜🤪

[frigid gulch]

But I still like this conclusion

[wet condor]

Viz doesn't make it sound like that tho

[frigid gulch]

Tragic

[pine ridge]

he should

[frigid gulch]

But he was thankful

[steel stirrup]

If he does that could be why he said it he knows that they need to live so the D. Clan can continue

[wet condor]

Roger's D was a secret

[steel stirrup]

Other than that idk

[pine ridge]

true

[wet condor]

I don't know if Garp's is

[latent hamlet]

rocks was probably grateful that even in death he still got to think for himself

[steel stirrup]

Garp doesn't seem to hide his name

[pine ridge]

and depending on how much rocks knew he could've recognized rogers strawhat

[steel stirrup]

And Roger didnt hide it either the WG made Morgans do that and it stuck

[latent hamlet]

dis dum mfer be like YEA GARLING U OWE ME CUZ I SAVED YOUR KID

even tho garling is probably like "there was a 2nd"

[steel stirrup]

She is sooooo😍😍

[pine ridge]

it was only after he reached laughtale no?

[urban lodge]

Maffey's haircut is crazy

Volcano haircut

[steel stirrup]

She still a baddie

[somber flare]

Nah

[latent hamlet]

maffey was never seen in the present cuz garling kills em after for failing to get the 2nd kid

[leaden rivet]

Im still surprised Imu let those beasts into the HK

[vale heath]

I wish I could have volcano hair

[leaden rivet]

I thought Imu would be like super duper racist

[steel stirrup]

Yea I wouldn't be surprised

[wet condor]

They started publishing his name in the newspaper as Gold Roger when he circumnavigated the world, yeah. Before that, I wouldn't be surprised if people didn't know

[latent hamlet]

bro had a perfect : ( for a face like mfer are u sad cuz u didnt get to beat up women?

[steel stirrup]

I am hella curious about the Yeti dude

[frigid gulch]

But how was it Maffey’s fault

[steel stirrup]

LMAOOOO

[stone terrace]

I dont think imu is conventionally racist

[wet condor]

Like the general public had no idea about Roger's full name I'm sure. It was just Roger or something

[stone terrace]

Its just a tool for oppression

[somber flare]

He was even uglier when he was younger

[brittle peak]

Kureha knew Roger was a D, m sure Rocks did too

[frigid gulch]

Plus can they even kill each other

[steel stirrup]

Last time I saw both of thse mfs they were getting sent thru walls and no diffed and now they have the nerve to aura farm over an already dying man lmaooo

[desert nest]

I don’t think it cares anymore after 800 years

After 800 years it probably went through the whole acceptance spectrum and back

[latent hamlet]

garp turned sengoku into this with 1 panel

[pine ridge]

I think imu sees everyone as below him so it doesnt really matter if you're a worm or a bug

[steel stirrup]

I think anyone they fought against they hate

Anyone else is just an insect and probably doesn't even enough get much consideration

[stone terrace]

Thats sengokus first time using haki on screen

[wet condor]

Imu doesn't care about things like race, yeah

[brittle peak]

‘Strongest Marine ever’ Sengoku

[stone terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-meme-trying-not-to-laugh-laugh-homeless-gif-9458928528704746136

[wet condor]

Ididn't even realize he was Haki'd up lol

[steel stirrup]

"Good thing we already in a hospital cause you gon need one!"

[frigid gulch]

OP really is a waiting game

[formal needle]

[rose brook]

when will people have a conversation thats not about sengoku

[steel stirrup]

I don't see any haki lmaooo😭😭

[stone terrace]

Would you prefer harald

Garp

Dragon

😭

[latent hamlet]

i just realized there was another mfer that got punched by harald

[somber flare]

I’d imagine racism against certain types of people would be pointless if you’re a god and you view all commoners as equally below you

[steel stirrup]

Oh wait

[latent hamlet]

bro look at him

[steel stirrup]

I think i see it

[latent hamlet]

are we sure that face is natural

[wet condor]

Prolly the timing Imu on

[latent hamlet]

after what harald did to him

[frigid gulch]

Yea they think everyone else is trash

[steel stirrup]

Right there at the edge of his hand as he is punching Garp i think I see some haki

[frigid gulch]

Maybe besides highlighting some useful aspects

Like strength for the giants

[steel stirrup]

"Anyone other than me and my chosen few are insects"

[somber flare]

They only go harder on the biggest threats to their power

[steel stirrup]

"I'm not racist I hate all of you"

[latent hamlet]

we're missing a letter

[somber flare]

Even if it’s just like passing down bed time stories lmao

[steel stirrup]

"Death"

[prisma yacht]

Bro😭😭😭

[steel stirrup]

Kill them and they children for listening to the story😭

[latent hamlet]

every1 saying i shoulda been loyal but rocks was never family

[steel stirrup]

Bro said everyone on that side gotta die no "ifs ands or buts"

[steel stirrup]

Big Mom and Kaido didnt give a damn

WB does seem to be reflecting here tho

[latent hamlet]

big mom fought imu by accident cuz she was just madge

[prisma yacht]

[clever idol]

Nah. It helps with maintaining a hierarchy and keeps ppl from uniting against u. Which is what imu has been doing

[dapper tree]

still counts

[rose brook]

nah it benefits them they do this irl

[desert nest]

True

That’s probs why imu made it so ingrainedin the WG

[wet condor]

I think what Neek is saying that it's useful as a tool to maintain power but doesn't really care about racial differences and all that

[brittle peak]

Bm clownery was real this flashback.
Kaido gets an excuse for getting caught off guard by Rocks, Wb has a cool clash, Roger and Garp finished him off. But Big mom? Kneed away even tho she was in fight mode.

[prisma yacht]

Bm clownery is in this whole damn manga bro

[desert nest]

Zeus has survived 2 encounters against Saturn

[brittle peak]

Bm the only character to gain NOTHING in God Valley

[latent hamlet]

i think BM got away with some monies

at least some did

[somber flare]

I wish we could’ve seen John actually get all his treasure assuming it came from here

[frigid gulch]

So Rocks was considered the strongest eh

Makes sense

[craggy vapor]

Canon monologue

[brittle peak]

yeh, killed an Admiral

[tough igloo]

all this talk in the manga about galley la giants making me think Teach sent Kuzan to Punk Hazard for that very reason 🤔 i’m sure Eris knew which by default means Teach should as well

[steel stirrup]

OH SHIT

I didnt even think about this bro

[wet condor]

Mmm

So that's where they are

Makes sense

[tough igloo]

Teach was like “ frozen giants ? why not use someone who can control the cold “

[prisma yacht]

!cook

[tropic nova]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1211111343852228638/1217510693411229746/cook.png?ex=66044a31&is=65f1d531&hm=fda7fc91afb3dda1c7a90192efda3372e268931d0bcc5db2b97d635b65b260ae&

[wet condor]

I just noticed one of them looks like Zunesha too lol

[steel stirrup]

I thought he was just in the neighborhood but gah damn

[tough igloo]

Oda never had Kuzan give Smoker a reason for being there and just said “ fate” is the reason he’s there lol

[steel stirrup]

Say less

[tough igloo]

there a certain crew always talking about “ fate”

[steel stirrup]

Shhh

Don't say anymore

Im in

[prisma yacht]

[craggy vapor]

but didn’t Teach and Kuzan meet after Punk Hazard?

[tough igloo]

nah he joined during the timeskip which was before Punk Hazard

[craggy vapor]

really?

[desert nest]

Yeah we are shown

[vale heath]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-one-piece-animated-gifs-one-piece-anime-one-piece-hachinosu-one-piece-blackbeard-marshall-d-teach-gif-16343106473490930447

[prisma idol]

[craggy vapor]

I watched the ep yesterday. I couldn’t tell if their first meeting was before or after Punk Hazard

[wet heron]

https://tenor.com/view/alusicentric-archivesofalusi-diralogue-luffy-speed-gif-12681667099646414901

[wet heron]

Bro died happy knowing roger Garp escape md

And his family was sgafe

[steel stirrup]

WILL OF D SMILE LETS FUCKING GOOOOO

[vale heath]

I swear, of those my son genocide will kill mother every fuckers last one

[torn osprey]

Oda emphasizing on Galleila means Loki, Hajrudin and co are suppose to be the new gen warriors.

[frail kindle]

Kuzan was watching the video feed that Caesar setup to demonstrate smileys power

You see him as a shadow

[craggy vapor]

Roger and Garp were his rival friends

[fossil nimbus]

Didn't he think he killed his family, because Imu thought he killed Eris and Teach

[steel stirrup]

No he saw Kuma pop them away

There is a chance he thinks they died anyway tho

[tough igloo]

yeah i know but i don’t think that’s why he came or else he would’ve just told Smoker that instead of being ambiguous and saying “ idk i guess fate brought me here “

i’m sure Eris told Teach about the Galle La since Rocks talked about his important they are

[steel stirrup]

If Xebec didn't kill them the cannon balls would have but Kuma popped them out of the way but in his demonic state its not really known if Xebex realized it or not. He was still crying afterwards but thats probably because his body had been takem over period full stop

[wide star]

im positive everything we saw rocks tell his crew he also told Eris and more .. since unlike his crew , he actually trusts Eris more than anybody

[fossil nimbus]

He wasn't crying beforehand, I think he was crying because he actually thought they were dead. Same with Imu, if Imu thought they died, I think that implies Xebec thought the same

[wet heron]

Faxxxxxxx they were nakama

OP is wild

[steel stirrup]

Yea but Imu thinks that because their presence disappears since they were using observation haki anyways

[steel stirrup]

But I agree Imu assumed they were dead

[cloud ember]

Hoenn surf theme moment

[wet heron]

Got me invested in characters Roger crying tears cause he knew how Rocks felt as his body was being unwillingly manipulated by Limu 🪳

Fuck Imu

[prisma yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-kill-that-boy-speedy-moments-w-speed-speed-clip-gif-16493548970782765043

[wet heron]

ans Garp taking care of Rogers son and the whole convo they had, arc had some major gass for Garp

[craggy vapor]

Imu has probably the saddest backstory

[fossil nimbus]

It's actually crazy how many character introductions we got in Elbaf already

[craggy vapor]

Obito-like

[wide star]

Imu could just be evil for the sake of being evil .. no sad backstory or anything .. just was always like this lol

[fossil nimbus]

GV was also peak agenda farming icl. We've gotten some of the best agenda over a few chapters

[wide star]

don’t need a sob backstory for the leader of the trash ass CDs lol

[wet heron]

Nope cause internally he fully knew what was going on, only thing is whether he understands that Kuma ability sent them away or not. Don’t think he thinks he killed em atleast cause he knows his own powers and whether his own attack did damage or not etc …

[fossil nimbus]

one of my favourite slander, except the Garling slander, was the WB running slander lmao

[wet heron]

https://tenor.com/view/marshall-d-teach-kurohige-the-blackbeard-withdraw-remove-gif-7174681911776074434

BB ERA BEGINS

[fossil nimbus]

Ok yep, this makes sense. He was concious so I'm sure he was just uncertain of what Kuma's power did to them

[wet heron]

WITH LUFFY AND BB STOCKS RISING IMU IS FINISHED!!!!

Pack up SOB

[urban lodge]

Who gave you your embeds back

[prisma yacht]

🔥

[wet condor]

This OP so

[wet heron]

Yeah so atleast he knows he did not kill them yk

[steel stirrup]

[steel stirrup]

Thats a sticker

[wet heron]

Unsure of what happened ans kuma uetting them yes

[wet condor]

Don't be too surprised when Imu get a sympathetic backstory lol

Imu got the highest chance of being evil just for the sake of it

[wraith mantle]

i want imu to get a sympathetic backstory

[vale heath]

Nobody asks me about my sad anime flashback

[wet condor]

But that doesn't fit the record so far

[wet heron]

Imu is gonna get some pathetic backstory ngl but it will all be fake, itself not trauma but greed and hunger for power that drove him imo

[fossil nimbus]

Can't wait for the doffy escaping prison with the help of magellen arc

[wet heron]

We must makw sure to ignore any and all sob stories Oda cooks up for Imu

[prisma yacht]

It's probably gonna be filled with god complex and hunger for power

[wet heron]

Yeah tryna be ome more of a god than a king

😭

[prisma yacht]

Doffy is the only evil guy we like!

[fossil nimbus]

Being a gorosei/hk must be boring. You sit in the HK for potentially centuries doing nothing. And the one time you go out every 50 years, you get fodderized.

[prisma yacht]

Magellan?

[wet heron]

Yeah hes got rizz too and drip

[leaden rivet]

Him getting cucked is enough of a sob story for me

[fossil nimbus]

The impel down warden. Trust, he's going to help doffy escape

[wet heron]

All hus panels are wicked unlike Imu bruh Oda beteer do some design reveals soon

[left solstice]

Who’s stronger admirals or the elders because I just saw dory and drogy fighting them in have mixed opinions what do you guys think?

[prisma yacht]

Why wld he do that
Bcs he was demoted ?

[prisma yacht]

LMFAOOOO

[leaden rivet]

I think most admirals are stronger than most elders

[wet heron]

1000+ chaps and still a dam silhouette come on

[leaden rivet]

But some elders stronger than some admirals

[wet heron]

[prisma yacht]

Elders they have regen

[fossil nimbus]

I feel like maybe if impel down is about to sink, then he'll request for doffys help so they can escape. Or after VP's speech, and a bit of manipulation from doffy, magellen no longer believes in the WG's "justice" and decides to leave impel down

[prisma yacht]

Ohh hmm makes sense

[fossil nimbus]

the OG admirals definitely stronger than the elders, but idk about the new admirals

[left solstice]

Yeah I know right the elders lowkey underwhelming af I was expecting them to be strong asl

[prisma yacht]

@dense rapids

[fossil nimbus]

Especially since egghead was after wano. I expected them to at least seem as threatening as Kaido

[wide star]

lol it’s hilarious how Imu wasn’t in the entire chapter until slavery is brought up 😂🤦🏾‍♂️

[fossil nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/imu-one-piece-imu-understanding-episode-1119-one-piece-imu-eye-gif-8787553031573569330

[steel stirrup]

Sanji has a Lady Radar

Imu has a Slave Radar

[regal solstice]

Ladar vs Sladar

[iron oriole]

Anyone: yadadada bla bla bla SLAVE
Imu:

[craggy vapor]

Why does Imu have a slave boner?

[fringe escarp]

Admirals are weaker

This shouldn’t be a convo

Dorry and broggy didn’t “neg diff” the gorosei

That’s like saying luffy neg diffed kaido in act 1 because he punched him into the ground

[iron oriole]

You know who did neg Kaido though?

Tama

[haughty saddle]

Evil

[craggy vapor]

Wallahi I’m finished memes are so funny to me. Keep them coming y’all 😄

[fringe escarp]

Let not a single one survive.

[iron oriole]

She gave Kaido PTSD

[fringe escarp]

Gorosei scaling hate fr comes from lack of reading comprehension

[tranquil blade]

I guess admirals generally the only thing giving the gorosei the advantage is regeneration

[fringe escarp]

The only thing giving them the advantage is their regen and their haki and their busted abilities

[iron oriole]

So everything

[fringe escarp]

Pretty much lol

[trim lily]

the gorosei abilities haven’t looked that crazy so far

[grand flower]

Yeah they don’t really have anything else on WM

Em*

[ornate tartan]

they have nice suits

[tranquil blade]

Admirals arguably have crazier abilities and the gorosei's haki really isnt all that

[trim lily]

idk it’s probably pretty strong haki

and they have coc or whatever

[tranquil blade]

Even if gorosei have stronger haki theoretically they dont use it that well

[wet condor]

If you're saying it's not like on the same level of Shanks

[iron oriole]

Nusjuro is faster & can freeze his enemies

[wet condor]

Probably not

But they're basically Haki Gods to everyone else lol

[latent hamlet]

Inb4 they have
Elder haki
As in
They literally have an older variant of haki that is exclusive to the elders

[trim lily]

demon haki

not to be confused with ancient haki

[wet condor]

They've probably got better Haki than anyone not called the Yonko

And Mihawk

[iron oriole]

And Tama

[fringe escarp]

Indestructibility in the case of Warcury

Acid nukes from Saturn

Nosjuros existence lmfao

Ju Peter and Mars are the only ones we didn’t see anything extremely insane

[wet condor]

On par with someone like Zoro

[latent hamlet]

Well he's the world strongest swordsman not worlds strongest hakiswordsman

[fringe escarp]

On top of massively increased strength from having hybrids/full beast forms

[iron oriole]

Mars had a better Bolo breath

[fringe escarp]

And ofc full regen

[trim lily]

warcury is pretty silly

[iron oriole]

Ju Peter was just being a vacuum

[fringe escarp]

Idk about better that’s why I didn’t mention it

[latent hamlet]

We know they dont get a speed boost so thats a relief

After all
They walking slow as hell in the lab

[iron oriole]

They're fast

Nusjuro blitzed the entire island

[fringe escarp]

? They crossed the entirety of egghead within 10~ minutes

In the case of nosjuro a minute

[iron oriole]

Nusjuro taking the longest route too by running along the coast

[blazing depot]

Mars has the coldest design tho

[latent hamlet]

Then why is Mars and Saturn in the lab walking like they gotta farm aura

[blazing depot]

https://tenor.com/view/egghead-one-piece-marcus-mars-mars-mars-one-piece-gif-5168002604920193175

[iron oriole]

To farm aura

Like Mars did a conq blast while RP walking

[latent hamlet]

"We need to hurry and destroy the snails in the lab! Mars! Saturn! Walk slowly!"

[fringe escarp]

Aura farm

[latent hamlet]

"Ofc imma walk slowly they probably streaming me rn"

[prisma yacht]

Lmfaoo

[trim lily]

mars was being careful so he wouldn’t hurt the snails

he’s the environmental gorosei after all

[fringe escarp]

Fr though their haki is insanely underrated and on top of that their regen is untouchable

[fringe escarp]

Wholesome ❤️

[latent hamlet]

Are u implying if he moved fast he'd hurt the snails?

[fringe escarp]

Warcury haki screech was absolutely busted

[trim lily]

the gorosei are pretty chill if you’re not being fed pirate and revolutionary propaganda

[trim lily]

he might

[latent hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-jaygarcia-saturn-gorosei-gif-2199684209229429931

[iron oriole]

Pirate & Rev propaganda

[latent hamlet]

Saturn just having some peach juice

[fringe escarp]

You know what the saddest shit will be

If the Ancient Kingdom was somehow worse 💀

[trim lily]

saturn was willing to take the fall for the scientists working under him while dragon wouldn’t rescue ginny, curious!

[iron oriole]

Is Saturn a better person ?

[trim lily]

maybe

[latent hamlet]

That was a lie to get them to work

U know how it is with managers

[blazing depot]

https://x.com/grandlinereview/status/1992368324404261264?s=46

Liam Does Things (@GrandLineReview)

@BlancosFrosty7 Harald believes that he is innately evil for letting his best friend die. He also now believes that giants as a whole are innately evil and that this is the only compensation for their crimes against humanity. Genuinely not sure where you got lost on this one.

X · Nov 22, 2025, 11:03 PM

[latent hamlet]

They say they'll back u up

But when u do need them

[trim lily]

i honestly don’t know what direction oda will take the ancient kingdom in

[blazing depot]

Amazing take ClickbaitReview!

[latent hamlet]

The manager took off that day

[wraith mantle]

???????? lmao

[trim lily]

i really can’t view them as innocent but oda has sort of been building them up as the good guys in all of this

[fringe escarp]

Joyboy and Davy being on opposing angles means only one thing

[wraith mantle]

harald doesn't believe the giants are innately evil

this nigga tried to act all intellectual only to get it wrong himself

[fringe escarp]

🐀 vs 😇

Or 🐀 vs 🐀

[latent hamlet]

U know what vegapunk should have done to stop the egghead assault

Streamed the entire thing

[sage temple]

Happiest he's ever been

[wraith mantle]

i love rocks/loki dynamic

[fringe escarp]

People twisting nukes into being wholesome 100 secret life giving bombs is the single greatest ancient kingdom propaganda OAT

[sage temple]

Same

[wet condor]

Good panels

[wraith mantle]

loki such a fucking fan boy bro LMAO

[wet condor]

I liked that one of them sitting there talking

[sage temple]

That whole Rocks Loki page was amazing ngl

[wet condor]

OP relationships are funny

[fringe escarp]

*the whole chapter was amazing

It was just talking

Relationships

[wet condor]

They sitting there talking on a cliff or something and later on Xebec impales him on a sword

[fringe escarp]

Interactions

[wraith mantle]

rocks beat the shit out of him, practically sent him to the ER

[wet condor]

Like they being wholesome as hell at one point

[sage temple]

Yeah

[wet condor]

LMAO

[wraith mantle]

and now loki loves the guy

[fringe escarp]

Acknowledgement of the monumental events that occurred

[sage temple]

Barelyu

[iron oriole]

AK is definitely not "good"... Joyboy was from there & he supposedly used the AW, which is something that should be considered evil/bad

[latent hamlet]

Rocks could tell loki to jump off a cliff and loki would say should I do a backflip

[sage temple]

He was 100% fine by the next day

[fringe escarp]

The fact that rocks sees nika as a destroyer 💀

[wet condor]

And then Rocks runs a sword through him at another

[fringe escarp]

It’s so joever

[sage temple]

Loki used to

[iron oriole]

You mean Loki?

[sage temple]

Loki gave Rocks the definition of Nika

[wraith mantle]

yeah ancient giant buffs, like a built in zoan durability

[sage temple]

Which made him say that

[fringe escarp]

Would rocks not know nika? Thats what I got from that scene

[wet condor]

Rocks even gave Loki the time of day. He wouldn't let him on his ship but he didn't like ignore him

Just funny

[fringe escarp]

Bro knows joyboy AND Davy

[iron oriole]

He didn't it seems, he questions "Nika?" Like he's never heard the name

[sage temple]

Yeah so that was basically just a slap on the wrist if it's Loki we're talking about

[prisma yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/kick-yeet-gtfo-kick-cliff-push-cliff-gif-9944415665032080774

[urban lodge]

He conveniently doesn't know about nika

[fringe escarp]

He might be dumber than imu

[prisma yacht]

"you do it"

[fringe escarp]

Holy shit

[fallen meteor]

its so weird that he doesnt know nika

[sage temple]

Knowing Joyboy and Davy doesn't mean you know about Nika

[wraith mantle]

i liked TCB version better

i want harald but all i get is his snot-nosed brat

[wet condor]

His father came there to see him because he was injured lol

It wasn't a slap on the wrist, but he didn't kill him neither. And he could've if you wanna go there

[sage temple]

Yeah it was a minor injury

[fallen meteor]

everybody is working with like 50% of the story lol

[wet condor]

He healed, I wouldn't be calling it minor

[fringe escarp]

Knowing someone who was completely erased from history but not knowing a popular elbaf religious figure is insane work

[sage temple]

Yeah he healed it's like a hard whooping if anything

You people try to paint it in a scenario that Loki is a normal kid who got stabbed all the time 😩

[iron oriole]

Loki deserved it

I'd have stabbed him too

Little shit

[wet condor]

He can survive it sure

[fringe escarp]

People forget Garp physically abused his kids day one

[sage temple]

Exactly

[fringe escarp]

And they’re ACTUAL normal kids

[sage temple]

Proportionally, Garp abused his kids worse than Rocks did to Loki

[urban lodge]

He never stabbed them and left them bleeding on the ground lol

[wet condor]

Rocks impaled that boy on a sword

[prisma yacht]

No but okay

[sage temple]

Notice the word proportionally

Tell me what you think it means in that context

[iron oriole]

People use the WB line against Rocks but he's not mad at the abuse, he just thinks using a sword is a bit much...

[urban lodge]

I wasn't even talking to you

[fringe escarp]

He threw them into a forest filled with carnivorous monsters alone

At 5 years old

lol

[sage temple]

"even" like I'm supposed to know that

[wet condor]

It's true. We don't take it as seriously though because it's played off in a gaggy way

It's funny how that works

[fringe escarp]

Pretty much

[urban lodge]

But tone matters

[wet condor]

Like both of those are very serious in the real world

[urban lodge]

It's author intent

[wet condor]

It does penny

[fringe escarp]

And Harald didn’t give a flying fuck LOL

that’s the tone

[wet condor]

I don't think you're meant to neglect the tone there. In some sense you're supposed to take it serious and another sense you're supposed to play it off

[fringe escarp]

He got hit then Harald came and didn’t give a fuck

[wraith mantle]

i wanna see how imu plays this next

[fringe escarp]

Neither did Loki

[urban lodge]

Because obviously Loki didn't tell him

[iron oriole]

Garp uses the "power of love" to hurt Luffy too so its like "aha he loves him really toss into a deadly jungle"

[sage temple]

Harald barely cared about Loki's injuries I'm sure they overplayed what Loki's injuries actually were when they told Harald

[fringe escarp]

Even better, LOKI the one who got hit didn’t care

[wraith mantle]

harald practically begging to be a slave, dont even need to be domi reversi'd

[sage temple]

It's not like Loki was an inch from death

[wet condor]

Yeah I don't think he was that wounded the first time

[urban lodge]

The mentally ill child doesn't resent it therefore it's not wrong

[wet condor]

Impaling on a sword though?

[wraith mantle]

ayo

why is loki mentally ill

[dapper tree]

buggy and loki are brothers????????????

[fringe escarp]

Luffy ACTUALLY resents his grandfather for constantly abusing him

[urban lodge]

He's suicidal

[dapper tree]

he fell on his head as a baby

[urban lodge]

At 5 years old

[wet condor]

He still loves that man after having a sword put in him lol

[iron oriole]

Tbf... being chucked off a massive tree & disowned by your mother literally second 1 of being alive... its gonna cause some issues

[wet condor]

One Piece is funny

[sage temple]

We don't even see the actual recovery so saying it was a crazy injury is pretty much headcanon

[wraith mantle]

i see

yeah loki might need to see a therapist

[frigid gulch]

He was all wrapped up, so it was decently bad

[sage temple]

Rocks used what looked like ACoC against Loki the first time, I'm sure getting impaled isn't all that different

[wet condor]

Left bleeding out on the ground with a sword ran through him

Like he survived

[iron oriole]

Deserved

[frigid gulch]

Oh this is that one

[wet condor]

He was also seriously hurt, I'm sure lol

[frigid gulch]

I think part of that moment was Loki challenging him

[sage temple]

His head and body bandages could be from him falling off the tree

[frigid gulch]

And annoying him

[wet condor]

Yeah

[frigid gulch]

But still

Rocks went too far

As noted by WB

[sage temple]

Yeah, headcanon

[wet condor]

I'm fine with my head canon being head canon lol

[frigid gulch]

No way

[wet condor]

That don't bother me

[iron oriole]

He's only upset he used a sword, he wouldn't have cared if he just beat his ass

[latent hamlet]

guys
the physical damage that rocks did was irrelevant
rocks did way worse

he made loki believe rocks is a better dad

[sage temple]

Yeah so no reason to try and dispute it the first time I say so

[frigid gulch]

Because Loki could’ve been potentially unresponsive after that attack

Yk I wondered about that

[sage temple]

Because Loki could’ve been potentially responsive after that attack

[frigid gulch]

But Oda skips these things

That’s less likely

[sage temple]

"potentially" means nothing if you know nothing about what actually happened

[wet condor]

So you don't think what Rocks did was that serious is what you're saying?

[sage temple]

If there was Haki used, how long it took for him to heal, etc

[wet condor]

Not a big deal?

[frigid gulch]

Well I think the point is he probably didn’t care if he neutralized him

[latent hamlet]

that doesnt matter
whoever garling kills
they will never be rocks tier

[frigid gulch]

Just not going too crazy

[sage temple]

It clearly isn't since Loki isn't like a 5 ounce newborn human baby

It sure is a big deal for Loki's character though

[frigid gulch]

But we see some of it. He was bedridden and all wrapped up

[wet condor]

So you think it's possible that he was seriously hurt, and that he managed to survive?

[frigid gulch]

He just heals quickly

Which is why he was able to move

[sage temple]

Yeah "all wrapped up" could also mean he recovers the same day like he did the first time he met Rocks

[wet condor]

Xebec wasn't trying his absolute hardest to kill that boy, I agree with that

[frigid gulch]

He seemed to move just fine after his fall

[wet condor]

Because he could've just decapitated him or something

[sage temple]

Yeah I also think it's possible he had minor injuries and survived easily

[frigid gulch]

Well yes, that’s what happens

But he didn’t recover entirely either

[sage temple]

He pretty much did

It's not like he had a lifelong scar

[frigid gulch]

No he didn’t

[sage temple]

The bandages were there from when he woke up

He was focused on what Xebec was saying

No reason to remove them

[frozen aspen]

I wish oda would stop glazing shanks to hell and back bc his fans are insufferable

[frigid gulch]

Usually when Oda has a character all wrapped up in bandages, it indicates quite a bit of damage. You can’t just come and say it was minor cause he healed

[wet condor]

I'm not trying to downplay Loki or nothing btw

[dapper tree]

dang

powerscaling child loki

not a great move

[wet condor]

I sense that's what you think is happening

[frigid gulch]

Having said that

It doesn’t really make Rocks evil

[sage temple]

Yeah I know that I'm saying it's possible Loki's injuries weren't that serious and it's also possible for what you're saying

[frigid gulch]

But it’s a dick move

[dapper tree]

Rocks is just an ass

[ornate tartan]

😔

[wet condor]

That's more of the point I'm making if anything

Rocks didn't try to kill that boy. Not thoroughly, but I don't really think he cared if he died either

[sage temple]

When Oda has a character all wrapped up in bandages, they usually can't move at all after their injury being so recent, this isn't the case with Loki

[frigid gulch]

Maybe to some extent

[sage temple]

So it isn't really comparable

[frigid gulch]

He thought since Loki was Harald’s kid

He could handle more

Still not really a great reason

[frigid gulch]

Irrelevant

He was still injured quite a bit

The healing factor doesn’t change that

[sage temple]

It's very relevant I'm using the same example

[wet condor]

OP relationships be strange

[tranquil blade]

It's kinda weird cause like knowing Loki is Harald's son he should be trying not to kill him so that he doesn't piss off Harald

[frigid gulch]

Also what you said isn’t even true

There are plenty of examples of characters moving with that many bandages

[sage temple]

The amount of bandages used doesn't really say how much damage one took since in Zoro's case he had literal bones shattered but for other cases it's relatively minor

[wet condor]

It is weird. You can say that's why Xebec didn't actually kill him

[frigid gulch]

Yes it does

[wraith mantle]

what other weird relationships are there

doffy monet?

[frigid gulch]

It’s depicted by the difference in how many Oda puts on a character

[sage temple]

No it doesn't

[wet condor]

I think Xebec and Harald's is

Big Mom's and Kaido's

[frigid gulch]

Oda doesn’t put on a stack of bandages generally speaking unless they’ve taken a decent amount of damage

[wet condor]

I don't remember enough about Doffy and Monet's

[muted hedge]

Roger and Garp as well as Roger and Xebec is pretty weird as well

[wet condor]

Yeah

[wraith mantle]

xebec and harald is fine if we got to see more of their interactions, but speedrun piece is not doing it justice

[sage temple]

No it doesn't, and if Loki had injuries from say the bout he had with the Holy Knights back then, he'd probably not be moving

[wraith mantle]

Garp and Sengoku is up there, but less weird

[wet condor]

Like if Harald ever cracked a smile while they was having a few rounds, it'd make more sense to me

[sage temple]

Yet both Kid Loki and Loki post Holy Knights are wrapped in bandages all over

[wet condor]

But Harald is never seen smiling except for that one time where they clash up there in Marie Geoise lol

[sage temple]

So the amount of bandages still doesn't really quantify anything

[frigid gulch]

? This is not something you can argue. It is a thing. In both those cases it’s cause he took a lot of damage

[sage temple]

You're just headcanoning how injured Loki is by ignoring everything except for the amount of bandages he has on his body

[wraith mantle]

yeah but I supposed its very heavily implied they were close friends, why else would a king entertain a pirate in their royal castle

[frigid gulch]

Because they took a lot of damage

[wet condor]

That first time was before Rocks started making a name for himself

The second time he won't let him in

Or the second time we see it anyway

[wraith mantle]

oh so they just met in ida's bar?

[wet condor]

From what I remember

[sage temple]

So you're saying the Holy Knights dealt the same amount as Xebec in 1 hit meant for a baby