also-manga

[sage temple]

Using that logic the "Oden flashback" is centered around Yamato, Oden, Roger, and Sharly

[gloomy tree]

Harsh is right

[sage temple]

Not really

[alpine trench]

yamato is not a character whose story was told in the oden flashback

[late compass]

i wouldnt say the flashback focuses on hajrudin he hasnt had a lot of screen time

[alpine trench]

he's an integral part of it as harald's son

[sage temple]

This flashback tells the story of Loki and everyone who's influenced Loki's life importantly

[vital heart]

IM

SO

COLD

ugh

[alpine trench]

no? the flashback begins with the narrator asking "what is the reason elbaf is like this" and then goes back to showing harald's upbringing

the framing is of loki and gaban's memories of the day harald died

[vital heart]

I genuinely love Harald. I think 1166 solidified, to me, that Harald is a top 5 flashback character, only beat by Rocks/Hiruluk/Tom/Belle-mere.

[prisma yacht]

Castle incident was the main focus

[vital heart]

You realize the flashback isn't Loki's story lol.

[prisma yacht]

I mean it still is

[alpine trench]

that's my point idiot

its not loki's story ONLY

[vital heart]

I know

It's the narrator stealing the spotlight from Loki @alpine trench

[alpine trench]

so why are you telling me as if i dont know that

[dense pike]

Cus its Meek

[wet condor]

I hope Meek never drops his bit

Though I'm curious to see what he's like irl

[sage temple]

Yeah sure it talks about why Harald was like that but Loki is still the major focus. It brings everything that's basically important to Loki into one

[alpine trench]

i find it funny you bring up sharley and yamato socrates, they're not the drivers of that flashback

[blazing depot]

https://tenor.com/view/common-lingy-anime-zingy-lingy-polar-express-gif-22789472

[ornate tartan]

the narrator took over in 1152

[alpine trench]

and sharley had 2 panels

[sage temple]

How is Hajrudin a driver of that flashback

[dense pike]

yeah idk why he brought up Sharly 😭

[alpine trench]

because he's the son of harald?

and loki's brother?

[vital heart]

How old are you?

Are you American @wet condor

[wet condor]

Yes

lol

Why are you asking?

[vital heart]

How old are you ?

[dense pike]

oh god 😭 he wants to meet up

[vital heart]

I can DM you my instagram

[alpine trench]

and they share a contentious relationship in the current day influenced by the culture of elbaf and their upbringings

[wet condor]

I've said before

[icy wolf]

rocks is my favourite flashback character very easily i dont think theres much competition at all

[vital heart]

If you wanna see what I'm like to IRL people and not my r/OP persona lol

[wet condor]

I'm good

[sage temple]

Loki had the most amount of panels this flashback I guarantee

[vital heart]

OK good

[icy wolf]

hes creeping into my top 10 characters i think

[vital heart]

I was gonna do an Irish goodbye if you were 100% serious in wanting to see

[vital heart]

Irish goodbye = change my mind and leave.

[sage temple]

And?

There's a Kozuki Moria right? Was he a main driver of the "Oden flashback" because he's related to Oden

[alpine trench]

the flashback makes it a point to give loki and hajrudin reasons to have the relationship they do and how elbaf and harald and their upbringings really influenced how they operate and what relationship they had to their parents

what the fuck does kozuki moria have to do with oden here

why are you arguing non-sequitors

[ashen perch]

I am fairly certain that Oda is not even going to show Loki's adventures here, this is ending at Harald's death because thats what the flashback is centred around

[alpine trench]

that's not a part of that flashback

[sage temple]

Because you're trying to say Hajrudin is a driver because he's related to Loki and Harald

[vital heart]

Genuinely, this flashback made me realize how good Oda is at making cool characters.

I genuinely have so many characters from Elbaf alone that I LOVE. Just to name some:

Rocks, Harald, Loki as the obvious top 3.

But we also have Gunko, Shamrock, and Killingham... (no Sommers)

Ida and Ronja, even.

All new characters that are amazing! Oda is genuinely amazing at his craft. @alpine trench Do you tend to agree w this msg

[ashen perch]

if there is a central character to this flashback, it is actually Harald, making it Harald's flashback

[vital heart]

Lol no, but the narrator is not Loki. The narrator is going to give US the full story. He wants usto know how Loki ended up tied to a tree. That was our first question we had upon Loki's introduction - how did Shanks put him there? what was the context?

[vital heart]

Agreed.

[ornate tartan]

that is what i’ve said previously, Lokis adventures will be shown later in the arc will probably be around 3-4 chapters, once it’s time to tell Luffy where Shanks is that would be a good time to show their fight, and it would be after Loki has revealed his powers so there would be no spoiling there

[wet condor]

If you have to choose one person, I'd say Harald yeah...

[dense pike]

"This is Loki's flashback!"
"No this is Rocks' flashback!"
"No this is Harald's flashback!"
The narrator wanting to tell us the story of how Luffy found the One Piece:
-# (the entire story is a flashback)
https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-chad-gif-20773266

[alpine trench]

i'm saying hajrudin is one of the main drivers of this flashback because oda focuses on ida and hajrudin and loki, who are related to harald, whose journey is what leads to the current day environment in elbaf

[wet condor]

I think it has two protagonist though

More apt to say

[vital heart]

I'm so sleepy. But I wanna keep watching YouTube videos.

What to do.

[wet condor]

given the amount of coverage Rocks has gotten

[alpine trench]

loki is one of the main aspects of the flashback for sure, he's not the only one

[sage temple]

So why Loki and Hajrudin have their relationship, how Loki's dad changed in a way that makes Loki resent him, and why Loki is the way he is

[alpine trench]

dawg

[vital heart]

This is less of a specific character's flashback and moreso Oda/the omniscient narrator giving us an info dump.

[sage temple]

If anything Hajrudin Harald and Rocks are side-aspects

Loki is a lot more prominent than them

[alpine trench]

they're not

you're just delusional

[wet condor]

Don't know 'bout that one chief

[vital heart]

This flashback can be ultimately boiled down in its essence to "an SBS answer that just happens to have pictures". Am I accurate in this description of the flashback ?

[ashen perch]

Not necessarily important right now, because those are things that are generally known, its Harald's death that was the biggest mystery to them. We can come back to Loki's adventures at a later time, and like Krome said, likely after his powers and fighting style has been revealed already so we can see these things in full.

[sage temple]

Man whatever

[wet condor]

If Loki got more screentime lol

[vital heart]

This lowkey tuff. I cooked.

[sage temple]

Loki definitely got more screentime

[prisma yacht]

Lmao

[alpine trench]

oda doesnt frame this as "why is this shit happening to loki specifically", he's framing this as "what led to the reasons as to why loki and hajrudin are at this time right now the way they are" and then showing what giant culture truly is

[ashen perch]

yup

[wet condor]

Loki not doing a whole lot

[vital heart]

Harsh & Musicfactor, check this out ! (No Pings, Meek, Yeah I got it.)

[wet condor]

First bit was mostly about him

[alpine trench]

i mean, he can in further chapters but that doesnt mean he's the driving motivator to this flashback like oden was to his

[sage temple]

The first major chapter of the flashback is literally the birth of loki

[vital heart]

"major"

[alpine trench]

"first major"

[vital heart]

It is not the first chapter, though.

[alpine trench]

what does that even mean

[vital heart]

The first one was the Harald 109 years ago

[sage temple]

https://tenor.com/view/druski-holding-laugh-holding-laugh-holding-laughter-trying-not-to-laugh-gif-14728402291966348228

[dense pike]

why do we even care who counts as the "main character of the flashback" 😭 just absorb what the flashback is trying to inform us about the characters involved 😭
After watching a play, you applaud every actor who participated in telling that story, you dont just throw roses at the lead actor.

[wet condor]

Lol, gonna disagree on that one

[sage temple]

Because they hate to see Loki win

[alpine trench]

because of the framing of the flashback and what oda intends to say about a certain story and arc

we're not just arguing to show loki being bad

[sage temple]

"and hajrudin"

[alpine trench]

socrates might think it

because he only ever sees loki

[vital heart]

Yes but the lead actor is who you remember.

When you see another play and you recognize a familiar face. That face was the lead actor of the first play.

[alpine trench]

but the flashback is about harald and his sons

[vital heart]

You dont remember the nobodies (Lin Manuel Miranda)

[grand flower]

No. Get out of my fuckin kitchen

[ashen perch]

Socrates its fine, there will be a flashback where Loki will be the central character, you dont have to fight for this one

[sage temple]

The flashback is just about things that are important to Loki's life events

[grand flower]

January 23rd, 2047

[fluid cedar]

Harald*

[ashen perch]

this is the Harald show where Loki is the 2nd most important character, which is fine, which is cool, which is fun

[vital heart]

Jeez, how many flashbacks can one arc have? We'll also have to have a Harley/first World one (optional), a Shanks flashback, a Gaban flashback (How he met Ripley and got to Elbaf), a Brook/Gunko flashback.... wow

[dense pike]

and you cant let Loki share the limelight!
Yall need to find some common ground 😭

[ashen perch]

??

[grand flower]

Something is going to happen to socrates on that date

[sage temple]

It just isn't

[ashen perch]

oh okay inshallah

[alpine trench]

this is literally how this story starts

[sage temple]

I guess bro

[alpine trench]

you're in a vehement denial of actual reality

[ornate tartan]

u can’t say this flashback is centered on a single character, when it’s clearly about a event that happened

If it was to be anyone it would be Harald

[sage temple]

Yeah it's mainly Loki here

[grand flower]

This flashback is about Harald and his precious boys

[sage temple]

Harald dying was a prophecy about Loki and his eyes

[dense pike]

oh shut up you, youre just here to ragebait and instigate
https://tenor.com/view/the-giant-hoodwinked-too-watch-yo-tone-i-said-watch-yo-tone-big-guy-in-a-blue-suit-slapping-someone-gif-12346937456305641225

[alpine trench]

and then the story takes a turn to show how this sequence of events came to be

[ashen perch]

We'll not have a Harley/First World flashback, we'll not have a Shanks flashback, but Gaban and Brook/Gunko yea, I will add Jarul/Dorry/Brogy to it too. Noland met Jarul btw, this is happening

[sage temple]

Yeah how did Harald change that made Loki resent him

[alpine trench]

jesus christ dude

[grand flower]

School him

[vital heart]

This has gotta be a halal message bro 😭

[alpine trench]

arsal is muslim you muppet

[ashen perch]

lmao

[vital heart]

You are like, 1 page behind. It's the next one that starts the flashback my guy

[alpine trench]

READ THE PAGE

[ornate tartan]

harsh ik u tryna explain but it’s not gonna change his mind😂

[prisma yacht]

😂😂

[vital heart]

https://tenor.com/view/guilty-loki-berry-mint-gif-26570747

[alpine trench]

this is some sort of hell

[vital heart]

Get it? I used a Loki gif

I used an MCU Loki gif

Lol

[alpine trench]

and i'm wilfully stuck in it

[grand flower]

Sometimes it ain’t about changing minds

[sage temple]

Yeah just say "harsh is wrong" in a different font

It should let him down easy

[alpine trench]

i dont think anyone thinks that here except for you man lol

[dense pike]

!os

[tropic nova]

#other-series #other-series #other-series #other-series #other-series #other-series #other-series #other-series #other-series #other-series #other-series #other-series #other-series #other-series #other-series #other-series #other-series #other-series #other-series #other-series #other-series #other-series #other-series #other-series #other-series #other-series #other-series #other-series

[alpine trench]

that's a western series gif

[dense pike]

or actually shit it would be !ws

[sage temple]

Well I don't care about anyone except for me and Loki

[vital heart]

MCU Loki should have, in Marvel Rivals, a skin that makes him look like OP Loki.

[craggy vapor]

“The World” is in a black box. Imu foreshadowing.

[ornate tartan]

this isn’t a loki flashback tho

[grand flower]

Sometimes this is what it’s about

[vital heart]

Agreed! This would be fantastic 🇨🇳

[sage temple]

It simply is a Loki flashback

[alpine trench]

https://tenor.com/view/tiktok-gif-11739668458471570760

what can i say when someone vehemently rejects written material on a page

[grand flower]

Awhhh yall are butt buddies now?

[alpine trench]

i give up

[muted marsh]

Ah yes I see youre replying to blocked user

[alpine trench]

suit yourself socrates

define the story as you please

[vital heart]

Ever since I found a website that has the raws for every chapter, this is so sick.

[vital heart]

IM BLOCKING YOU

[grand flower]

He can’t see it

[sage temple]

How mfs think I'm typing on both Vortex and Rokuto's accounts

[dense pike]

Get a load of Glass Joe over here

[grand flower]

Finally

[sage temple]

Whatever you say bro

[grand flower]

A load of this guy

[muted marsh]

!me?

[tropic nova]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1010993473098354830/1013039429406969866/last_final.png

[sage temple]

I will define the story as I please thank you very much

[wet condor]

He's part of it but he ain't doing a whole lot tbf lol

[sage temple]

Yeah because he's 8 years old

[wet condor]

LIke it's clear it's mean to explain how he became who he is

[sage temple]

The flashback isn't over

And he's already done as much as an 8 year old can do pretty much

[wet condor]

But Rocks got more panel time than Loki has lol

[muted marsh]

Im a she but I dont usually bother correcting that

[sage temple]

No he hasn't

[alpine trench]

this is ishy levels of delusion

[grand flower]

Can I ask how come it’s not like, a verse in Psalms 127, it’s just all of Psalms 127

[wet condor]

Are you sure?

[ornate tartan]

meek why they tryna say tcb translation got an agenda

same ppl gonna read viz and gas some bullshit pig latin😂

[sage temple]

Yeah I am

[grand flower]

She can’t see it

[muted marsh]

Yep the whole chapter

[grand flower]

That’s tuff

[wet condor]

I think you're wrong lol

[alpine trench]

not even christian, but jesus fucking christ man wow

[vital heart]

Do you guys think we'll see Shakky/the other Rocks Pirates remnants pop up here and there again in the remainder of the flashback, seeing as though the next few chapters will all be WG/Elbaf oriented? Is there a possibility? Slim? None? @ Harsh @ Shuron @ Musicfactor.

[sage temple]

Lmk when you prove yourself

[muted marsh]

Ooh rah

[potent pier]

For me, I just wonder when Tritoma will appear again in the flashback

[dense pike]

@alpine trench i value the effort you put in, but I think its impossible to teach a man how to stargaze 🔭 when all he has is a microscope 🔬

[wet condor]

I'd have to post every chapter in the flashback lol

[potent pier]

She was highlighted for a reason

[wet condor]

But I'm just taking a peek

[vital heart]

Fucking idiotic numbskulls that rely on ChatGPT Grok AI Sora AI bullshit 24/7. I am a superior human to those Viz/OPScans shills.

[sage temple]

You don't know how many panels Xebec has gotten

[wet condor]

And Rocks has shown up more

[alpine trench]

this goes hard

[wet condor]

Well, I can tell pretty easily it's more than Loki

[vital heart]

@alpine trench

[dense pike]

thank you

[potent pier]

I wonder, how you learn Japanese?

[sage temple]

Because God Valley is basically about Rocks

[alpine trench]

didnt you post a screenshot that used chatGPT to answer a question i asked once

[vital heart]

My mom is Japanese

[sage temple]

Rocks is basically Loki's mindset as a person

[vital heart]

IT WAS A JOKE

😭

that was the bit

[grand flower]

Is she single?

lol jk

[vital heart]

Moving on

[grand flower]

That don’t make a difference

[alpine trench]

idk but lets see

[grand flower]

Tag me fr you coward

[vital heart]

I can't

[ashen perch]

wow I didnt get the fake @

[vital heart]

I got warned by Chrissy to stop pinging like 10 ppl per message

[grand flower]

Damn meek

You should listen

[vital heart]

Do you wanna hear a funny joke

Why does Santa have such a big sack?

[grand flower]

You know, this makes sense, I literally became an insomniac the year I stopped going to church

[vital heart]

(i heard it for the first time yesterday)

[wet condor]

So every Rocks panel is a Loki panel is what you're saying

[grand flower]

No, I touch people who make me laugh

[alpine trench]

this was perhaps the straw that broke the camel's back

[vital heart]

Because he only comes once a year!

[ashen perch]

probably not in the flashback though idk if they can really play a role here, I think we'll see the Roger Pirates again though <------- still answering

[grand flower]

https://tenor.com/view/clj-gif-12397935080610808497

[dense pike]

Ah yes
It must be causational!

[ashen perch]

Chrissy wasnt mean enough

[alpine trench]

there's no point

its a waste

[ornate tartan]

now how u gonna make it about loki now😂

i showed u the panels

[alpine trench]

he already did

[wet condor]

Possible lol

[ashen perch]

oh yea, we still havent really skipped ahead in time huh, but next chapter will probably speed ahead I guess

[grand flower]

Ima keep it real with Yall

I’m more interested in Hajrudin than I am Loki

[wet condor]

I'm certainly not lol

[alpine trench]

now that we've seen why harald's horns came off, certainly

[dense pike]

taking my proverb to heart, I appreciate it
-# and yes im taking credit

[grand flower]

I feel you

[ashen perch]

I like Harald more than both but they are cool

[grand flower]

But Loki kind of a bitch

Like

Get over it bruh

[fluid cedar]

Hajrudin is just a bum

[grand flower]

Hajrudin? That’s a real nigga

He stay in the gym

The way Loki takes out his sadness on other people kinda changed how I saw him a little bit

He need to get a fuckin grip

[ashen perch]

yea, we'll probably jump all the way to Saul's arrival after Harald solidifies his relation with the WG here by meeting the Gorosei or something here

idk God Valley was okay but this is just so much intriguing to me

to see how this is gonna play out

I am really interested in these next few chapters

[dense pike]

Ah yes, if only some parental figure was present in his early upbringing to teach him good coping mechanisms

• his mom ❌
• his dad (barely around) ❌
• his uncle (didnt teach him shit) ❌
• Ida (available, but Loki refused) ❌
  Only real lesson he learnt was Rocks telling him "man fuck the ones tryna keep you down"

[grand flower]

Dawg this was literally my childhood

I decided I was gonna feed homeless people and pet puppies instead

[dense pike]

https://tenor.com/view/yourenotthatguypal-pal-notthatguy-weak-gif-21925932

[ashen perch]

I hope we get Ida's perspective on what Harald is doing, I think she is gonna be the anchor that keeps Harald from falling too much to the other side, keep him level headed y'know, we gotta get back on focusing on their dynamic that I feel is really sweet

[alpine trench]

God Valley became interesting as soon as Imu and Dragon came into play

[grand flower]

For me, it was Garp, Dragon, Kaido and BM

And Garling

But for other reasons lmao

Me Valley has been very gratifying for me

[alpine trench]

Bro cross reacting me as if it’s not my opinion

[fluid cedar]

bad opinion

[grand flower]

Oh I bet that’s why they called it that

[alpine trench]

What’s bad about it

[grand flower]

LMAO

[ashen perch]

true yea, I was intrigued by what Garp was gonna do too, but that was basically it for me

[dense pike]

well im happy to know you chose a path of peace ❤️ not everyone in that position ends up at the same conclusion though sadly 💔

[alpine trench]

I didn’t expect Imu to be here and we got an epic full spread

[muted marsh]

TUFF

[grand flower]

Usopp will tell Loki to shape up, don’t worry

[ashen perch]

cook

[fluid cedar]

You’d guess that imu had something to do there since saturn was on the island

[alpine trench]

Also, Dragon’s impetus to being radicalized was also very interesting and seeing him be involved in getting shanks where he is is pretty good shit

[muted marsh]

Agree

[dense pike]

ngl i could see it
it wouldnt be too diff from the pep talk Usopp gave the samurai abt bravery vs throwing your life away

[grand flower]

Every arc we’ve encountered giants, Luffy and Usopp are the main SHs they bond with

[alpine trench]

For sure you didn’t expect that shit bro don’t lie like this lmfao

[grand flower]

And the pep talk he gave the giants in water 7

[ashen perch]

I have been saying it for a while, I see Usopp bonding with Loki at some point in the arc

[grand flower]

The same arc he gives Luffy a pep talk

ALSO

Usopp bonded with the Tontotta

[dense pike]

oh yeah that one too
so yeah its def in character for him

[grand flower]

They have relations with the giants

Sensual like

[dense pike]

Usopp might have talk-no-jutzu

[grand flower]

And Loki is a liar

ALSO

[dense pike]

or whatever its called

[fluid cedar]

Yeah i did

[grand flower]

Louis Arnot is an anagram for Uso not liar

[vital heart]

Skipping ahead to Ohara and Roger's death scene from Elbafian POV

[alpine trench]

https://tenor.com/view/bob-monsters-vs-aliens-pops-bob-pops-meme-gif-2923017302726920509

[vital heart]

You forgot about Roger's deatj

Death

OK

Im gonna go to sleep

Lol

Gn

Goodnight

[wet condor]

I suspected Imu was coming too during this yeah

[grand flower]

it’s all coming together

[dense pike]

okay the fries are slightly burnt at the edges now, but otherwise you cooked them very well

[grand flower]

Gotta have a little crisp 😌

[wet condor]

Real chance

[vital heart]

I'm unironically gonna dono Morj and shill this theory.

Credits to you, ofc.

Gooodnighttttt!

[alpine trench]

I think it’s interesting what Imu contributed to Rocks’ demise and what that means in contrast to Teach and the rocks pirates trajectory that comes to the story that’s been told

Don’t come back again until you’ve slept till tomorrow meek

Thank you

[vital heart]

What does this msg mean?

[grand flower]

I already plan to make a video about it

[vital heart]

Oh ok

Gn

[grand flower]

It’s gonna be called “Usopp is the first mate”

[alpine trench]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-jump-scare-gif-25853524

[alpine trench]

Good night

[grand flower]

He’s so wrong for this lmao

[dense pike]

weird, now that you mention Louis, I find it strange how few "Mosa = Louis Arnot" theories ive seen like i feel at least one person wouldve tried tying Louis' knowledge abt the dangers of Elbaph with the fearfulness seen by Mosa
-# and yeah i get that Louis lived ages ago, but for the time-dialation believers, that shouldnt be an issue.
Am I saying he is Mosa? No. I just find it odd ive not seen anyone say he could be, given how much other shit I see people say

[alpine trench]

Meek’s constant state on this discord

[grand flower]

Yeah honestly with two mysterious characters like this it actually is funny no one has thought to make a detailed theory on how they may be the same person

[dense pike]

I know right!
ooooh yeah its cus Morj hasnt told them what to believe yet

[vital heart]

Youre so lucky you're safe in this server from me using some nasty words to you

(jk)

(I am kidding Arsal / Chrissy)

GOODNIGHT GUYS

FR SLEEPING NOW

[fluid cedar]

Be the first one to make it so that people leech off you and steal what you theorized

[jade rain]

Who is louis arnot?

[ornate tartan]

explorer

[dense pike]

Every talkback is one red panda poached

[dense pike]

!speedreader

[tropic nova]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/164971940648321024/535148418100887562/Lightspeedread.png

[jade rain]

Yea, I'm so sorry i don't remember every character, it's my mistake to have asked you

[icy wolf]

idk who louis arnot is either

[fluid cedar]

faceless guy no silhouette too

Just a character by name

[dense pike]

hey @grand flower, i sent you something in DMs

[dense pike]

You are forgiven ❤️

[icy wolf]

yeah how the fuck do you not remember a faceless no silhouette character mentioned over 1000 chapters ago

fricking speedreader

[dense pike]

dawg he was mentioned for the second time ever IN this arc 😭

[jade rain]

Yes, i should have dedicated more time to know every character in op 🤓

[grand flower]

Lmaoooo this is very true

[grand flower]

You’re so right

[icy wolf]

he left the note?

[fluid cedar]

For now just an irrelevant guy till he appears in the story

[dense pike]

again: his note appeared IN THIS ARC 😭

[dense pike]

yeah

[icy wolf]

sorry hes just so irrelevant

[dense pike]

we'll see

[grand flower]

I have a feelin Louis Arnot is fire scar

[icy wolf]

i believe in elbaf time dilation

[keen quiver]

Everyone is the man marked by flames now

[grand flower]

SHs sail away from Elbaph and immediately age 3 years

[icy wolf]

its kinda in our face ngl

[jade rain]

My only problem with time dilation theory is colon, his age and timeline fits perfectly

[icy wolf]

its weird shamrock got sent to elbaf and then like 20 minutes later he gets sent back

[fluid cedar]

Time could just be passing slower mentally for them and not literally

[vale heath]

I suppose there is that weird detail where Hajrudin was born after Dorry and Broggy started their duel, but also was known to them enough to be on their crew back in the day

https://preview.redd.it/how-would-they-know-each-other-v0-baiahmv5vv4f1.jpeg?auto=webp&s=0ada91a9a4854ff71b7cb91a11f2cf6246ad44a0

[icy wolf]

what happened to loki after he killed harald again

[muted hedge]

he went out to sea

[icy wolf]

and shanks took him down while he was out at sea?

[muted hedge]

i think Loki was out on the sea for 8 years

and Shanks stopped his rampage appearantly

and when he returned to Elbaph he was crucifixed if i remember correctly

and then chained up to the Adams tree

[icy wolf]

shanks took him down when he returned to elbaf right

[muted hedge]

we don't know, it's more likely that Shanks took him down when he was out at sea

[icy wolf]

i wonder why shanks didnt just fight him after he killed harald cuz shanks was there when it happened

[muted hedge]

yeah, it'll be interesting to hear what went down

[icy wolf]

i think shamrock was probably involved with harald

[vale heath]

I think the fact that Shanks was right there and did not fight Loki is evidence that Loki’s involvement was greatly exaggerated

[muted hedge]

i think that Imu was directly involved

[icy wolf]

we saw in the place where harald died theres like scratch marks on the wall and stuff

could be from shamrocks sword

[sacred flume]

Ofc

[muted hedge]

Shanks being there could've been the reason for why Loki scurried off to the sea to be honest

[frozen aspen]

by the time shanks and gaban made it there it was probably too late

besides if HK were there shanks might have decided to not get involved

[muted hedge]

good point

[muted marsh]

Your pfp is peak

[frozen aspen]

thx

ilove chad ship

[prisma yacht]

https://x.com/siyangou49/status/1992246795897037250?t=6FkCWXJApRiMa790L4ElUw&s=19

爱吃辣小狗 (@siyangou49)

#nami #ナミ #ノジコ #ベルメル #ONEPIECE
🍊~

X · Nov 22, 2025, 3:00 PM

[dense haven]

any sengoku fans in chat

[sacred flume]

Yeah you now leave

[muted hedge]

i've only seen one Sengoku fan

the Leo guy on twitter

[stray prism]

sup

[ocean sigil]

You know what I've realized?

[muted marsh]

Hello! Thats me!

[ocean sigil]

After seeing all of booktok talk about One Piece which I love beyond honestly. I realized once again how much I hate people crying and recording themselves

[muted marsh]

[ocean sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/leave-her-alone-crying-sad-meme-gif-16919280

[dense haven]

https://tenor.com/bj61R.gif

[rose rune]

https://tenor.com/view/balding-white-chicks-gif-8309186738606886317

[urban lodge]

They're trying so hard to give him aura

Good art tho

[wraith mantle]

Rocks ain’t bald

[rose rune]

did I say he was?

[late compass]

rocks already has aura he doesnt need any more

[wide star]

that’s tough 🔥

[twin knoll]

tuff

[final trench]

Oh my goodness

Leave brittney alone

[scenic dirge]

Dude I literally thought that was what penny was referring to when I first opened chat lmfao

Coz my phone didn’t include the post above

[barren token]

I also thought that's what penny was talking about at first

[rose rune]

it's canon

[frail kindle]

the wayans are trying hard to get aura

[final trench]

True

I heard his horror movie flopped, but i might check it out

[woven talon]

15 mins till viz

[iron oriole]

The Wayans are playing the Donquixote family btw

[hazy echo]

https://youtu.be/dhLWWSt1Eew?si=pGLpsZRCFPZL5HNn

https://youtu.be/zDoUP16nMnI?si=Ckau6q7ggMi9AD5X

[solemn reef]

So much aura

[lofty fern]

I think he lost it all in the fight. Imu drained it all

[unique lagoon]

did they show joyboy yet?

[hazy echo]

Nah that’s still a couple of weeks later

[unique lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-waiting-spongebob-waiting-spongebob-waiting-forever-spongebob-meme-gif-12410484197149593225

[hazy echo]

Next week’s going to be Gear 5 Bonney

[unique lagoon]

only got this so far

[rich sail]

is it normal or did they increase the frequency of fillers?

[hazy echo]

Not really?

[gloomy tree]

they did a couple more recaps this year after the break yeah because they were adapting a chapter per episode

[hazy echo]

Unless you mean the recap episodes

[woven talon]

Okay they thought it was sengoku too, but they imply sengoku has seen stuff that he thinks are dodgey and has already looked the other way

[rich sail]

yeah i consider recap as fillers

[woven talon]

Kinda odd

This is fair though, I think most would assume this is what he meant

Not much different this week

[hazy echo]

https://tenor.com/view/ravio-a-link-between-worlds-albw-zelda-legend-of-zelda-gif-22858788

[rich sail]

where do you read manga from?

cuz these dialouges are a bit different from what i read

[woven talon]

Shonen jump app

For official

[brittle peak]

man…if only Gaban and Rayleigh had reached on time.
If Rocks lived, maybe he would have joined Roger, who knows

[woven talon]

TCB for scans

(With ad block)

[rich sail]

oh ok

[woven talon]

I doubt he’d join Roger but maybe Roger would join him lol

They had diffrent priorities at this time though

[brittle peak]

Rocks would have been without a crew

[woven talon]

I don’t think Roger gets serious until he is diagnosed with his disease

Until then he’s just adventuring and having fun

Rocks wanted to change the world

[muted hedge]

i think he would've prefered to stay relatively calm, considering he has a family to take care of

[brittle peak]

He’s always having fun, but even 1 year before God Valley, Roger already reached lodestar - something Rocks didn’t accomplish

[vestal heath]

Hey Chrissy

[woven talon]

I don’t think rocks planned on reaching the end of the grandline

He never mentions it

[unique lagoon]

yeah guy just wanted those 2 DFs and bringing down Imu

i dont think he was even close getting any of the DFs

[brittle peak]

Cuz you only learn about the final island after reaching lodestar.
Yeh, maybe he didn’t try to reach lodestar.
But Roger was accomplishing things way before his disease, I don’t think that changed anything

[unique lagoon]

he dint even talk about the DF with herald iirc

i feel like thats been offscreened

rocks knowledge was def incomplete

not even convinced he was right about herald being the right host for the DF

[woven talon]

Hard disagree

I think his limited time explicitly made him head hunt oden to finally understand all the poneglyph stuff

[unique lagoon]

was it even explained how roger knew he can possibly read those text

also oden got the same sideburns as joyboy

[muted marsh]

Hes just a notorious knower fr

[woven talon]

It’s not said I don’t think

[unique lagoon]

the obv answer is voice of all things told him

[woven talon]

He just expected him to be able to which is why he sought him out

[unique lagoon]

but thats still debatable how clear the voices are from the stones

[woven talon]

I think it’s just because he comes from an isolated nation

[urban lodge]

I'm hoping Luffy will find the last poneglyph with the voice of all things

[woven talon]

So he wanted to ask

Because non isolated nations had the language purged

[lofty fern]

Viz did a great job this week

[royal orchid]

"secret cipher" so poneglyph isn't an actual language

[unique lagoon]

yeah this is what i would like to see
the moment he masters the VOAT

just hears the stones

[woven talon]

I’m not sure I’d take that as gospel, would need to look into the Japanese

[unique lagoon]

like here
roger basically predicted what was written before oden told em

[woven talon]

Hmm Jaimini had it as code

So maybe it is accurate

Although maybe to oden it’s not a language because no one speaks it lol

[unique lagoon]

surely the voice of all things from the stones dont have a convo with you

i imagine it like whispers of random words

[iron oriole]

Probably the same case as Hieroglyphics

[stone terrace]

My theory is that you need advanced haki to carve the poneglyphs

[woven talon]

Yeah that makes most sense

[stone terrace]

And what you hear is the haki residuals

[woven talon]

Robin has no haki lol

Oh carve

Sorry

[rose rune]

at some point Roger decided to call the stuff he heard "the voice of all creation" and tell the name to Rayleigh

[woven talon]

Misread that

[royal orchid]

the voice of some things

[unique lagoon]

finally another believer

[stone terrace]

Yeah so like they hear the "will" of the person who wrote it

[iron oriole]

What if they just have a special chisel

[lofty fern]

This is basically what most of the other scans had. But yeah not much in changes. Rocks seemed to be less sure of what was going on with this wording, but it was a similar

[unique lagoon]

im more curious what the stones is made from

if oda even expands on that part

more ancient science i guess

they keep saying its indestructible but they manage to carve text into it

[stone terrace]

First a nami gooner now a robin gooner

[unique lagoon]

can law cut the stones?

[stone terrace]

Plot says no

[unique lagoon]

[iron oriole]

I could cut them

[lofty fern]

Oh I'm sure he has. I got that feeling when he talked about one guy who knew about the hunting stuff that he already knew about that kind of stuff happening

[warm sierra]

Oda really is making Sengoku look worse with every chapter

[muted marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/danny-devito-walking-away-money-raining-money-explosions-gif-16685519

[woven talon]

I’m sure he has too, but I doubt he’s seen stuff like Garp has at this point

[lofty fern]

Oda says he can cut anything in his room so I guess so

[frozen aspen]

daily reminder that garp still considers sengoku his best friend

[muted marsh]

Sengoatku mentioned! 😤

Criticisms ignored. 😌

[frozen aspen]

yaps about how he'll kill sengoku if he becomes corrupt and then starts looking the other way when he does

[iron oriole]

Only because his boyfriend died

[lofty fern]

I'm not sure, sengoku seems to know a lot

[frozen aspen]

his boyfriend offered him to join him and he rejected bc he loves catching slaves to much

[frozen aspen]

wow leo is here

[urban lodge]

The tontatta?

[iron oriole]

He definitely knows a fair bit, he might not have seen things first hand though

[golden valley]

Because The Enlightened One, the Buddha, The Goat Sengoku isn’t corrupt

[woven talon]

In the present maybe. At this point I don’t think he’s directly witnessed something he couldn’t ignore

[frozen aspen]

Larp

[unique lagoon]

big fan of sengoku being self aware
literally no fucks given

i was expecting some metal gymnastics to justify it
but nope

[frozen aspen]

he does do mental gymnastics

on other occasions

[wet heron]

https://tenor.com/view/northernlion-nl-tongue-freaky-freak-gif-2271389524483549363

Fire art

[muted marsh]

Well I mean theres a level of nuance here that I keep having to reiterate and when I do I get hit with the same "erm youre posting Sengoku propoganda" 🥀

[iron oriole]

Sengoku's self preservation is just very high

[prisma yacht]

[digital spear]

Warp

[muted hedge]

Garp gave Dragon the key to freedom

[muted marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-reaction-cat-reaction-who-are-you-cat-gif-11194592305997260000

[frozen aspen]

he is like "wah wah how could the people betray us!" when the cross guilt started issuing marine wanted posters

[frozen aspen]

he did the bare minimum

[unique lagoon]

tbone died cuz of skill issue anyway
get better obs buddy

[warm sierra]

What will you say when the stabber comes for Fujitora

[unique lagoon]

a civ stabber?

he will be fine no issue

[lofty fern]

Sengoku is complex. He can order the slaughter of people and yet be the good father Cora needed.

[lofty fern]

Good, the least he can do

[unique lagoon]

the mf let luffy go twice

[frozen aspen]

he'll be fine, the stabber should get koby next

[pine scaffold]

I find it beautiful how after everything, Rocks was still smiling in the end

One of the best characters Oda has ever made.
@wet heron @wraith mantle

[urban lodge]

LMAO

[brittle peak]

body where.

[frozen aspen]

ig its hard to see with oda drawing his lips like a racist caricature

[muted hedge]

better than nothing

[muted marsh]

When did Sengoku order the slaughter of anyone 🥀

[muted hedge]

Baterilla remember?

[muted marsh]

Smh speedreaders everywhere

!speedreader

[tropic nova]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/164971940648321024/535148418100887562/Lightspeedread.png

[cold steppe]

This is some melorine radar level stuff

[inner agate]

the buster call snail in ohara was from sengoku and his orders

[ashen perch]

his neck must have had a fountain shooting after that one

[frozen aspen]

sure but if that's something worth hyping then idk what to tell you

[muted hedge]

no you're right, let's just keep hating instead

[ashen perch]

Garling went straight for the neck, thats how how you ensure a death, he's goated for that alone atleast. No more Xebec alive theories 🙏

[muted marsh]

Sengoku wasnt FA during Ohara wym

[muted marsh]

He wasnt FA here either

[cold steppe]

It was the gorosei giving orders

Directly

[frozen aspen]

crazy that uf a sungle rocks pirate was loyal and stuck around he'd probably be alive rn

[strong wadi]

Meek and Feeso losing to Viz this week, a sad sight to see 😔

[cold steppe]

Except for the ship

[muted hedge]

yes he was

[cold steppe]

That was all Akainu

[tranquil blade]

I wanna say something but I won't do it

[ashen perch]

WE ARE ROCKS D XEBEC WE CA- yeah you better not

it doesnt actually work with the song

[muted marsh]

Nope he was Admiral during Law flashback and that flashback precedes it

[ashen perch]

anyways

'kay was just bad, yes, idk why TCB went with that one

[tranquil blade]

https://tenor.com/view/speed-fortnite-laugh-speed-fortnite-ishowspeed-try-not-to-laugh-ishowspeed-laugh-ishowspeed-ishowspeed-fortnite-gif-9835923225045019138

[cold steppe]

He's probably saying yes. Which doesn't sound natural in English

[ashen perch]

"yeah..." would have been fine, thats what he says

"I know" is also good

"kay" just sounds rude, not what the scene is like at all

[warm sierra]

ああ with the … definitely shows that its nagging at him

[muted hedge]

it wouldn't have mattered what they went with, people hate just because it's Garp saying it at this point

[grand flower]

I thought it was fine

[ashen perch]

true true

[muted hedge]

Garp could have saved a family in the next chapter and people would still blame him for worldhunger

[urban lodge]

I think "I know" is much better

'kay sounds way too casual

[grand flower]

The casual suits the situation

The point is that Garp is offering no resistance

Garp offering no resistance is set up for the reveal that Garp and Dragon are colluding

[grand flower]

He literally lets him go

[ornate tartan]

https://x.com/sawdojb/status/1992351476610654359?s=46

Sawdo (@SawdoJB)

Harald is one of the best things in the whole flashback and not understanding him is a skill issue 👍

X · Nov 22, 2025, 9:56 PM

[ashen perch]

its just worse than "yeah...." or "I know..." , Kay feels unserious when the moment is not

[warm sierra]

kay just sounds like he doesnt care about what dragon is saying which I dont agree with

[grand flower]

Garp being completely acquiescent to Dragon is what you're supposed to get from it

[muted hedge]

100%

[frozen aspen]

no one blames garp for anything within the WG we just think its embarassing to spend 50 years of your life looking the other way whenever your coworker are doing genocide

[grand flower]

But he's not looking the other way

Garp actively tries to teach the Navy to not be like that

[frozen aspen]

qwll what is he doing

[muted hedge]

that's what Sengoku is doing, Garp isn't looking to the other side

[grand flower]

He openly threatens Sengoku in front of other Marines

[muted hedge]

as soon as Garp sees something he doesn't approve of, he is there to put a beating on them

[grand flower]

Garp openly talks about the CDs being scum

[frozen aspen]

sengoku is still a evil shithead

[grand flower]

He encouraged his men to attack an eldeer

[ashen perch]

yeah, he does care, and he understands that theres nothing he can do to change Dragon's mind now, and I know... fits that vibe much better than a casual/unserious "kay"

[grand flower]

The kay communicates that same thing

[ashen perch]

eh I disagree

[tranquil blade]

This is why Garp can still kill him

[frozen aspen]

he hasn't yet

[grand flower]

"There's no point in trying to change his mind" fits just fine with "Kay"

[frozen aspen]

I'll unironically forgive everything he ever did if he kills sengoku but it won't happen so

[grand flower]

Sengoku created SWORD

[frozen aspen]

hc

[strong wadi]

I think Oda is kind of retconning sengoku into not be as bad and putting it all on Akainu/Aramaki

[grand flower]

Also Sengoku sent Corazon on operation where the sole goal was to save children from Doflamingo

[grand flower]

That's not a retcon

[rich hornet]

I don’t see much of a difference either. Garp is showing his resignation either way

[grand flower]

Sengoku was angered at WG corruption at Marineford

And

Again

[prisma yacht]

I don't think replacing 'kay with I know is a big deal
They both fits

[muted hedge]

Sengoku is literally everything that people blame Garp for being

[grand flower]

Dressrosa revealed Sengoku set up operations specifically to save children

[frozen aspen]

oda no balls ig

[iron oriole]

"Kay" sounds condescending tbh

[tranquil blade]

People are not gonna move on from how he acted about the Ohara incident ever, and I understand why

[muted hedge]

Sengoku looks to the other side, he obeys every command the Celestial Dragons say

[frozen aspen]

and did nothing bc he is a lapdog and waht his masters say goes

[ashen perch]

Idk, kay just doesnt convey the tone accurately, it comes across as rude and unserious to me, which is why I prefer Viz's translation

[grand flower]

It's a shame because the Navy being manipulated into believing the scholars were gonna destroy the world is a core part of the conflict

Also, Sengoku wasn't complicit in a genocide

[rich hornet]

I think the viz is better, too fwiw

[grand flower]

The Ohara mission was to kill a band of "terrorists"

Sakazuki turned it into a genocide all on his own

[ashen perch]

also I dont think Oda is retconning Sengoku, actually what Sengoku said this chapter ends up perfectly explaining his one poor action, that being overseeing Ohara

[strong wadi]

"turning out just like them" vs "looking the other way" is what you'd need to ask yourself from this panel. Unfortunately we aren't mind readers

[muted hedge]

it's so ironic that Sengoku has the fruit of the enlightened one

[latent hamlet]

And his reasoning was "one of them mfers could have snuck on board"

[muted hedge]

when he is dirt

[latent hamlet]

Which....Robin did

[iron oriole]

If it was "okay" i think it'd be fine but it being "kay" completely changes the way it comes across imo

[latent hamlet]

Then got kicked out

[rich hornet]

This is completely consistent with the sengoku we know

[latent hamlet]

[grand flower]

It comes across as resigned to me

[tranquil blade]

I think Sengoku being caring for people he personally knows and helping in some areas while being part of the problem in other areas is why he's a fairly nuanced character, even if I think he's not a good guy

He's pretty realistic in that sense

[muted hedge]

Garp choosing to be concise is probably because he knew that whatever he had to say Dragon wouldn't be in the mood to listening to it, which no one can blame him for but still i think that's why Garp was so concise with his words

[rich hornet]

Garp just has to take it

The only thing he can say, he says with the key

[muted hedge]

actions speak louder then words

[frozen aspen]

garp knew rxactly there was nothing he could say to justify yhe marines or himself

[ashen perch]

eh I guess we just gotta agree to disagree on that one, I think Viz is still atleast better even if I concede that kay is okay too

[fallen meteor]

personally garp should have said 'lol' and 'lmao'

[ashen perch]

I guess kay was kinda supposed to reflect how Garp talks in a generally rude and aggressive manner but "I know..." just hits harder

[tranquil blade]

Well Garp had no defense against it, he could not have truthfully told Dragon that what the Marines or WG did there was okay, he accepted Dragon leaving so easily because of that

[latent hamlet]

Kay
Vs
Kay...

[muted hedge]

Garp probably felt the same as Dragon to be honest

though Garp chooses to go at it a different way, by trying to reform the Marines

[muted marsh]

Cook

[muted hedge]

while Dragon chooses to form a new organization and seek a clearer path for justice

[tranquil blade]

Garp only seems to be a Marine following God Valley because he thinks if he isn't there the Marines will be totally corrupted top to bottom

[muted hedge]

Garp sees himself as a pillar, if he isn't there the Marines will crumble

[tranquil blade]

I think if it were not for that desire to protect the lower ranks he would've probably left

[fallen meteor]

i'm leaving the marines, dad
💀
and i despise you!
🥀

[stone terrace]

"Who will protect the marines" is such a gem of a line

Not because garp

[frozen aspen]

for all that he tried to reform them the only result I see is koby who would have died by akainus hand a and ironically enough was saved by excution from an admiral by a pirate in marineford

[stone terrace]

But because he just threw his friends under the bus

😭

[tranquil blade]

or he would've tried to form some kind of insurrection within the Marines

[muted hedge]

i mean we saw multiple people in SWORD who also looked up to Garp

they've gotten influenced by him as much as Koby I'm willing to bet

[golden valley]

Sengoku is just heavily heavily delusional

[frozen aspen]

true but lets face it, these are npcs

[muted hedge]

i don't think they are

[frozen aspen]

Koby matters here

[muted hedge]

it's like Garp said, they are the future of the Marines

[frozen aspen]

and the fact that he was almost killed shows how quickly that" changing the marines from the inside" means a death sentence

[tranquil blade]

Sword is good, but they are still only a small faction within the larger organization of the Marines, they can only do so much

Ironically for the Marines to get better they're gonna need the help of pirates and revolutionaries to do so

[pine ridge]

I don't believe garp is actually trying to reform the navy. more like trying to keep it from becoming worse. the kind of approach that will never make things better but at least it's not as bad as it could be

[golden valley]

I mean, how can you know there are Island-hunting games from ya bestie and then not have some doubt in the fact the WG is probably doing some sketchy shit on Ohara

[tranquil blade]

Well because he looked the other way

[ashen perch]

I dont think he believes the WG is in the right there, what he said to Garp applies there as well, he is choosing to look the other way

[golden valley]

[muted hedge]

Sengoku has given up essentialy

[ashen perch]

he is still chasing that promotion, he is still looking to get all the way to the top of the cliff, because theres no point in yelling unless youre in the position for change

[frozen aspen]

sword is an independant organization. The moment they step out of line the WG might aswell say they are traitors and send an admiral to have them all be dealt with. Of course this will not happen bc obviously they will be relevant to the plot and final war. What im saying is that this changing the marines within crap is a load of nonsense and in the case of the story, entirely dependant on the fact that Revolutionaries and pirates like luffy and dhanks exist

[frozen aspen]

this is a good take

[leaden rivet]

Who?

Are you referring to garp?

[frozen aspen]

shanks saved him

[pine ridge]

I think garp simply doesn't believe things can ever change especially after seeing what happened on gv

[frozen aspen]

feom akainu magma fist

[leaden rivet]

Garp doesn’t actually do anything for like the next 30 years and then just recently seems to be trying to change things with Koby

[strong wadi]

I mean he trained aokiji but he ended up being a failure, i guess

[warm sierra]

Garp spent 30 years to train Bogard

[tranquil blade]

Yeah but how many atrocities as he had to ignore to get to that position in the first place? and did he even make a great enough change when he did get power for it to matter?

[strong wadi]

Aokiji participated in Ohara, I doubt Koby would

[frozen aspen]

this is only making things worse for garps case u know

[inner agate]

he was admiral, admirals are the ones who initiate buster calls. he gave the snail to spandine to destroy ohara and kuzan gave it to spandam in enies lobby

[muted hedge]

he does believe in change, that's what Koby is there for

Koby is the ideal Marines that Garp wants

[leaden rivet]

Because Aokiji practically forced himself into Garp’s life

[muted hedge]

the fair and just ones

[ashen perch]

Ofc, when Sengoku does climb to the top, he retires after he realizes that the WG still ultimately holds the key to everything, so it was all for nothing really. That outburst at the end of Marineford feels like the moment where he truly snaps and turns into the crazy old man he is now.

[leaden rivet]

Otherwise Garp just wouldn’t have done anything

He was more content crying about dragon becoming a revo

[golden valley]

It really does make Sengoku a pretty disgusting person even if deep down, he is trying to do it for the sake of good

[frozen aspen]

and yet koby will ultimately have to make a choice to stand against both the Wg and every marine from the navy under it

[ashen perch]

probably not, well there is sword that could be potentially attributed to him because he led Corazon's infiltration into the Don Quixote pirates but who knows

[frozen aspen]

of he really cares about justice

[golden valley]

I don’t know how Sengoku has Conquerors

[stone terrace]

Theres a giant purple ballsack who thought what he was doing was right too

[golden valley]

With his mindset

[frozen aspen]

he shouldn't

reminder that gear 3 luffy > sengoku

[muted hedge]

Marineford proves that he has the capacity to do that, he went up against Sakazuki one who every other Marine feared

[frozen aspen]

what i am saying is that he will have to make a choice garp never had the courage to

[steel stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/boogie-powerpuff-girls-boogie-powerpuff-boogie-man-gif-15044163

[muted hedge]

yes and it's obvious that he'll make that choice

[golden valley]

I mean, you can be born with CoC and then change in perspective later on, ur CoC doesn’t just go away, so maybe Sengoku had high ambitions back then

[muted hedge]

Koby is the new generation Garp

even though people love to doubt him

[steel stirrup]

Thats a good fucking question

[leaden rivet]

Calling Koby the new generation Garp is disrespectful to Koby

[frozen aspen]

also like I said koby only works bc ppl like dragon and luffy exist. He would be killed otherwise

[golden valley]

He is the next garp

[steel stirrup]

I like Koby

[golden valley]

But a better version

[leaden rivet]

Hes going to be much better than Garp and he’s actually going to change things

[muted hedge]

good, i know a lot of people despise him

[leaden rivet]

Garp didn’t do anything for change for most of his time in the marines

[tranquil blade]

Sengoku was likely ambitious to make change when he was younger but as time went on he thought he had to make compromises to get further ahead as a Marine, which lead to him becoming what he is now

[golden valley]

Only possible bc of Garp btw

[steel stirrup]

Because he's too goody?

[golden valley]

Yep

[vestal heath]

Hi rich

[tranquil blade]

I don't think Sengoku was always this kind of guy

[muted hedge]

i just say the powerscalers, you'll get what i mean

[steel stirrup]

Thats a damn shame

[warm sierra]

Maybe he changes things EOS but thats only made possible by whatever luffy will do to liberate the world in the first place

[steel stirrup]

Hey Roman good morning

[ashen perch]

oh yea for sure, his mindset was disgusting and whatever he accomplished does not necessarily justify it, just saying that this is who he is. He is not some delusional WG fanboy, he was calculatedly ignorant when he needed to be

[pine ridge]

garp should know that the wg will stop koby from changing the system. like what does he think would happen if koby starts opposing the cd

[steel stirrup]

All that ire should be directed at Sengoku

[muted hedge]

yeah and Garp trusts in Koby to make the right choices to pull through it all and make the Marines for the better

[ashen perch]

well actually he is fine now, fairly normal, Fleet Admiral Sengoku was his most extreme version but he has cooled down ever since he snapped at the WG after Marineford.

[tranquil blade]

Yeah I mean he retired and gave up trying to go up the ranks, of course he let a lot of that go

[prisma yacht]

‼️

[steel stirrup]

Still was stress eating during VPs message he isn't off the hook yet

[pine ridge]

koby is already half way out due to being a sword member

[lofty fern]

I always had this idea that everything has to work together for anything to be accomplished. If dragon didn't do what he did then nothing garp would do would amount too much. In the end. People like Koby would be there but they would be in the same position that Garp is. And yes you protect people which is always good, but you don't really get to change much. You have to have all three in order to actually get anything done. Both dragon Garp and Luffy

[muted hedge]

yes, Sengoku is the bottom of the barrel for me

[ashen perch]

he has kind of gone through this entire arc as a person, that we have seen bits and pieces of, and that has led him to his current self, where I expect him to do cool things as a cooler person

[steel stirrup]

Bro still ended up lying to the new gen about God Valley

[muted hedge]

that doesn't matter really, he is still underneath their banner at the end of the day

[lofty fern]

I think putting all that on the back of one person that he only met 2 years ago is a lot. Has he not met anybody else before 2 years ago?

[tranquil blade]

I would still consider him to have at least once been really just evil, even if it's a realistic evil

[muted marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/whatever-zoolander-owen-wilson-whatever-dude-dude-gif-4643217

[muted hedge]

if anything SWORD will be the new Marines in the future

[lofty fern]

Anybody can join sword. You can be the most corrupt guy in the group and join sword. Being a good person is not a qualification

[muted hedge]

keep in mind that Kobys own dream and determination allign with this, so don't put it on Garp

[tranquil blade]

Well there probably is gonna be a NEO Marines at the end of the series

[ashen perch]

well he was just helping them look away from the nastier parts of it LOL

[ashen perch]

oh for sure he was

[stone terrace]

This is what evil people in our world look like folk

[steel stirrup]

That part

[stone terrace]

Only a select few are mustache twirling

[muted hedge]

the foundation that SWORD has right now, is a good base for a reformed Marines
i never said anything about being good is a qualification, i'm going with what we've seen from them

[lofty fern]

I agree with that though. We have not seen Koby say anything about the world government. Really. He's never commented on it

[muted hedge]

they seem to be genuinely morally just people

[steel stirrup]

The mostly look like Sengoku someone who turns a blind eye instead of standing up

[pine ridge]

yeah sure koby makes the right decision to stop the cd from genociding an island. and now what? we already know you're not allowed to make the right decisions. dragon tried and he was immediately imprisoned. same will happen to koby

[frozen aspen]

my dislike for koby isn't powerscaling related, I just grew to dislike his type of character tbh

[latent hamlet]

the requirement to be morally just
is to throw hands with emperor crews without permission

[lofty fern]

Which is technically not much. We have no idea about their feelings about the world government about their feelings about even the Marines. The only thing that they're supposedly good at is attacking pirates without needing permission from HQ

[muted hedge]

Koby going against Sakazuki says to me that Koby would do the same against any Celestial Dragon who attempts that, even if it ends in failure he would still do it

[stone terrace]

Well he'd plead

Does he have the balls to attack one? To be determined

[pine ridge]

yeah until he starts making too many right decisions

[lofty fern]

If kaido was in the Marines he would want to do that. Some people just like to fight lol

[ashen perch]

well I havent seen one bad person in SWORD yet so I am willing to bet that they are going to be pretty solid as people idk

[muted hedge]

knowing that they idolize Garp who despises the Celestial Dragons, is a good assumption to make that they share that disgust for them

[latent hamlet]

he was sold as a weapon
marines would probably just tell him "can u go fuck up this 1 thing"

[frozen aspen]

helmeppos is there though

[lofty fern]

That's nice, but if you're a paper tiger in a storm you're still going to amount to nothing.

[ashen perch]

I think Oda has sort of picked SWORD as the group of good marines that are going to lead the other Good Marines onto the path of good

[tranquil blade]

Dont hate on the goat

[ashen perch]

he is chill now

[lofty fern]

The thing is no matter what you actually do in the Marines. They're stuck because they're still underneath the world government. You have to have other people to help them get to where they need to be

[frozen aspen]

he is not forgiven

he needs to die

[tranquil blade]

He does not need to die

[urban lodge]

Helmeppo is goated

[inner agate]

this is like saying straw hats are bad because they have franky

[frozen aspen]

he does he was mean to riko

[lofty fern]

I need to see a lot more from them for that to be a possibility. The only guy would be kind to know is Koby and as I said he has not even said anything about the world government

[tranquil blade]

He's like Bogard if Bogard actually did something leave him alone

[frozen aspen]

I fogive franky

👍

[fallen meteor]

bogard is a HK sent by the marines to monitor Garp

[lofty fern]

I mean bogard did do something before recently

[muted hedge]

i don't think that Oda cares about Bogard

other than to provide a cool secondary for Garp

[tranquil blade]

What did he do?

[frozen aspen]

no wonder we never see him fight, he knows he'd get cooked the moment he steps in to fight aomeone like ray or gaban

[strong wadi]

This just reminds me how people were hoping Bogard would do literally anything in the koby rescue, and then people hoping he'll do literally anything on God Valley

[lofty fern]

It's funny since in the live action. I think Bogard has more stuff to do than even Koby does

[tranquil blade]

I genuinely don't remember him doing much of anything in the story

[fallen meteor]

bogard is dragon's mom idk

[muted hedge]

the only thing i remember Bogard doing is slicing the guns

[stone terrace]

What is that kanji

[tranquil blade]

Probably like guilt

[lofty fern]

I mean he's the entire reason Koby is even in the Marines and not dead LOL

[fallen meteor]

the moment he shows up in a fight and gets one shotted will be so good tho

[strong wadi]

that's because that's the only thing he's done

[urban lodge]

Bogard is east blue Zoro level

[pine ridge]

yeah exactly. which shows that you'll never change the marines by being a marine because as soon as you try, you'll no longer be a marine. garp knows that as he saw what happened with dragon. so why would garp stay in the marines and try to make "good marines". it's not to change the navy but to keep it from becoming the worst it can be

[prisma yacht]

Sin
Crime

[tranquil blade]

He's probably like 6% stronger than the average vice admiral

but he just doesn't do anything

[tranquil blade]

I mean I suppose

[wet condor]

Sengoku isn't some wholly pure guy. But he's about what everyone at the top looks like within any government or something worse. He's about as good as you can be as a person at the upper echelons of a state

[lofty fern]

Tsumi, Meaning sin or guilt or crime or offense

[frozen aspen]

still below 12 year old bonney then

[tranquil blade]

I mean like the guy couldn't even save Garp during God Valley? or do anything at Hachinosu even though he was there?

[urban lodge]

Oh yeah nika bonney next episode

Hopefully they cook with that

[ashen perch]

I guess its more like a theory now, but thats the vibe I get from the group, they are positioned as the protagonists of the marines, as the future of the Marines

[wet condor]

Only escaping this through statelessness

[muted hedge]

i remember when that chapter dropped, and how many people absolutely cried their hearts out

[fallen meteor]

oh shit fr

[lofty fern]

I believe more in smoker and fujitora than them. They're not that strong and we barely know them. They're more like backup

[urban lodge]

Yeah

[grand flower]

That’s the point of all of one piece

[ashen perch]

yay now anime onlies get to go through their literacy tests

[grand flower]

Every group needs the other

Imu has fragmented the world

[urban lodge]

It was hilarious because it was foreshadowed the entire arc

[grand flower]

The conclusion is going to be these fragments coming together with what they were able to retain

[tranquil blade]

I actually was not reading weekly when that Bonney chapter came out I had no idea there was discourse about it

[muted hedge]

don't judge them, it's not their fault they don't have the attention span to actually read a manga

[grand flower]

The Revolutionaries’ moral compass, the Navy’s man and firepower, and pirates’ will for rebellion and disruption will all come together to take down Imu

[lofty fern]

Good thing that fate is putting this all together. Or I guess Oda. Cuz it would not have worked otherwise 😆

[grand flower]

Well duh

It’s children’s fantasy lol

[ashen perch]

But thats what makes them more interesting protagonists, they are young and weaker and eventually they will be strong enough to lead the Marines, you root for them for that day to come. Smoker and Fujitora are the older, more experienced guys that are going to help them I am sure, Garp is like a mentor figure, etc

[frozen aspen]

it works out bc the plot requires it to but the thing is that the characters so not know this

[wet condor]

I don't really care about SWORD

ngl

[tranquil blade]

Well if Garp ever makes it out of Hachinosu alive

[urban lodge]

I love them

[wet condor]

But I get that they're obviously the future lol

[urban lodge]

Grus and Hibari became instant favorites

[frigid gulch]

Pour one out for Rocks..

[ashen perch]

it was kinda crazy, I was not even keeping up with the fandom and was on this big break from the fandom and I still heard the cries by just being on Twitter

[muted hedge]

i am still not over Grus color scheme

[frozen aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-grus-one-piece-prince-grus-grus-gruce-gif-5563838803048811122

ugly

I hope he dies soon

[urban lodge]

Green hair is good, they already have too many blondes

[muted hedge]

sure green hair works, but coupled with red and burgundy?

[lofty fern]

I guess I don't care about any of them. I barely even remember their names. The only ones I actually remember is Koby and helmeppo, And I barely care about them. That's why I find the other ones more interesting or more reliable to the story. Oda hasn't done the work to make me care about anyone in sword.

[ashen perch]

Egghead is a bit of a blur to me because I wasnt that active during it but Bonney Nika reactions are the only ones that are really fresh in my mind because of how loud those people were lmao

[wet condor]

I remember their names actually lol

I might miss one

Hibari, Koby, X drake, Grus, Kujaku

That's all of them right

[prisma yacht]

Whys his cap so long

[muted hedge]

Helmeppo

[wet condor]

fuck

[urban lodge]

Please Oda make him a logia

[hazy echo]

Yea people were really divisive on Gear 5 Bonney

[wet condor]

You'd think I'd've have named him as one of the first lol

But then that's all of them

[ashen perch]

well I guess we just gotta agree to disagree, they all have fun personalities, great designs, interesting backgrounds that has gotten me invested in all of them in a very brief amount of time. I actually think Oda has overachieved with the very little he has given them

[tranquil blade]

Idk I just dont see why it would be bad writing or whatever

[urban lodge]

They were mad because power scaling

[frozen aspen]

i liked it

[pulsar path]

It feels like sword is oda way of making a " pirate " marine group in a way

[frozen aspen]

"but but muh powerscaling chart!"

[steel stirrup]

Kujaku my love

[hazy echo]

Powerscaling mainly

[tranquil blade]

Her father is from a group of people who prayed to Nika and did the whole dance, and she wants to be like Nika as well so of course if her fruit allows her to it makes sense that she would transform into Nika

[pulsar path]

Sorta like cobys crew even tho drakes the captain

[hazy echo]

And I guess something something other series itis

[tranquil blade]

Ohhhhh my god bruh

[ashen perch]

Koby is Koby
Helmeppo's dynamic with him is a cool part of Helmeppo
Hibari with the Akainu connection is super interesting to me
Drake's connection with Sengoku is something I want to see explored
Kujaku with Tsuru as well
Grus and his princely background is also intriguing
like they have got enough going on for them

[steel stirrup]

You knew damn well that was the answer

[tranquil blade]

I did not actually

[ashen perch]

I call them the Marine Protagonists because thats what we've got here, a proper protagonist group

[steel stirrup]

Powerscaling is always the answer

[urban lodge]

There's also guaranteed a layer of sexism there

[ashen perch]

there was yea

[steel stirrup]

Mary Sue term got thrown around

[pulsar path]

Was there people here upset?

[ashen perch]

I mean its a shonen fandom, theres always a layer of it there

[steel stirrup]

Yes

[pulsar path]

I feel like there was but we better than that

[steel stirrup]

Very much

People were hella upset. Mostly in #manga tho

[pulsar path]

Oh well manga is like where souls go to die

[frozen aspen]

but luffy worked so hard to get g5 and unlock acoc and everything ao its not fair that bonney gets it to she has to be killed by kaido 4 times first before getting g5 🤓👆

[muted hedge]

they don't even understand what Bonney's fruit is

[pulsar path]

As long as it doesn't become a Nika bargain sale I think we're good

And it probably will lmao

[steel stirrup]

Got some good memes out of it tho

[pulsar path]

It's funny she looks like Betty boop

While Luffy feels more like bugs

[leaden rivet]

Bogard*

[steel stirrup]

People were saying "she didn't earn this"

[fallen meteor]

when next week's ep airs i think i will make some popcorn and just lurk on #anime

the arguments will be so good

[strong wadi]

oh is the anime on break this week

[pulsar path]

Yeah chopper recap

[urban lodge]

What's hilarious is Nika Bonney was better foreshadowed than Nika Luffy

[steel stirrup]

😭

[pulsar path]

I mean i think that's Dumb excuse for sure

[stone terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/baby-laugh-ai-baby-babyfryingme-baby-sob-folk-gif-18221933230434867320

[tranquil blade]

Not this gif again

[fallen meteor]

this dumb fucking baby

[steel stirrup]

Nika has been foreshadowed since Skypiea, Penny. What you talking about?

[frozen aspen]

any predictions for next chapter now that we are back to elbaf

[stone terrace]

Oiled up harald

[tranquil blade]

Okay

[frozen aspen]

lame

[urban lodge]

Ida dies horribly

[frozen aspen]

he is too ugly

[steel stirrup]

THANK YOU

YES

FINALLY

[ashen perch]

¿

[urban lodge]

Bro hates Ida

[golden valley]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-meme-trying-not-to-laugh-laugh-homeless-gif-9458928528704746136

[tranquil blade]

A chat blinded by rage and hatred

[frozen aspen]

he hates women in general ig

[fallen meteor]

oh shit Arsal went Sabio

[hazy echo]

Oda makes one non-conventional Nami lookalike and yall hate her 😭

[golden valley]

Why do we still talk about Bogard other than to reiterate the fact he’s officially done

[fallen meteor]

not only on twitch

[steel stirrup]

You're full of shit

[ashen perch]

Bogard will probably do something at some point but my god Gaban saving Garp was too funny

[frozen aspen]

to have someone we can all agree to shit down on?

[frozen aspen]

not my fault you hate women

[tranquil blade]

Bogard couldn't even save his own guy

[ashen perch]

Couldn't even have him carry Garp