also-manga

[steel stirrup]

That's the inverse in the juxtaposition but the introduction is still the same

[formal wagon]

https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Sham

[ornate tartan]

I won’t shoot down ur theory but it’s pretty much impossible if we use the manga

[steel stirrup]

Both met by Luffy in a bar

[formal wagon]

she juxta on my position till we parrallel

[steel stirrup]

Seemingly regular dudes

[pulsar path]

Rocks literally says there blood has survived in the underground. Basicly saying there is more than on God valley

[formal wagon]

pin this

[ornate tartan]

blood or name?

[steel stirrup]

And then suddenly we find out they're actually both far more than they portray themselves as

[tough igloo]

i just don’t think narratively it make sense for garling to have davy clan kids knowing his boss Imu wants to wipeout everybody with davy jones blood … Imu wouldn’t care that their garling kids lol

[pulsar path]

Name and blood are the same thing in this context

[craggy vapor]

again, you can’t know if there were no Davys outside GV. So all your words are speculation

[pulsar path]

Your forgetting they are the child's of destiny

[tough igloo]

you still stuck on that

as if we know what that means lol

[steel stirrup]

Lmaoooo

[pulsar path]

I'm guessing there a prophecy that says they need a half d half CD

[ornate tartan]

likewise, it goes both ways😂

[fossil nimbus]

No? Can u bring the panel

[ashen perch]

Yea, I think Laboon and the whales have some particular beef with the redline so that could tie them with Imu, then theres the Kraken Surume, Karoo and his gang who will be especially mad when Vivi is in danger by Imu, Franky Family's Sodom and Gomorrah etc, plenty of animals out there that the SHs have befriended that are gonna play substantial roles I'm sure

[ornate tartan]

so we will just wait and see

[steel stirrup]

Guessing huh

[pulsar path]

Its literally the chapter where he meets Harold at see and it is the same if someone in one-piece says the name survived it means someone is alive to have the name wtf

[craggy vapor]

yes, but unlike you, I never word my words like speaking facts

[fossil nimbus]

I just asked for the panel cause I don't remember the exact wording

[prisma yacht]

Why are people trying to impose their theories on everyone like they are oda themselves 😭

[pulsar path]

Out the clues together. Oda says shamrock significance can only be understand by knowing the one-piece while shanks is being called the child of destiny

[ashen perch]

Garling had something crazier than a Davy Clan kid, Shanks fans need to invest in the Joyboy descendant idea more than this lol

[ornate tartan]

It’s not a fact, when I said Luffy isn’t a davy I didn’t say it’s guaranteed or a fact

[pulsar path]

Ehh joy boy with red hair idk

[ornate tartan]

I did however say it’s pretty much impossible

[pulsar path]

My theory is all the joy boys look like Luffy cus that's the zoan form

[steel stirrup]

When did he say that

[tough igloo]

you don’t have to have same hair color as your descendants lmao

[pulsar path]

Luffy would look like Garp if it wasn't for his fruit

[tough igloo]

Teach & Rocks ain’t got the same hair color and they’re father&son lol

[steel stirrup]

How we get black from white and indigo is beyond me

[pulsar path]

He told his editors about shamrock and that the significance can't be understood till he knew what the onepiece was

It's a recent article

[tough igloo]

lmao right , unless Teach out here dyeing his hair

[fossil nimbus]

This is like saying the "Gol D." name commands some influence in the pirate world, but is barely scrapping by. That just means that the name holds some weight, a person doesn't have to be alive with that name

[steel stirrup]

I didn't see that article mind sending it?

[prisma yacht]

Joyboy kinda looks like shanks from one of his silhouettes

[ashen perch]

Contrasts him with Teach, the descendant of Davy. There's the similar silhouettes. The child of destiny thing. The mysterious mother whose even face was hidden from us but has a deeply special red hair color (only hair color that Oda uses a special screentone for)

[pulsar path]

It seems like children take the color of the mothers hair

In one-piece

[craggy vapor]

again, you can’t know that

[tough igloo]

Teach mom doesn’t have his hair color

it’s just Teach

unless he’s dyeing his hair

[steel stirrup]

[pulsar path]

Your missing the subtext who in the underground is the influence. Someone has to still be alive to be that influence and rocks isn't referring to him self all other Davey's still live

[steel stirrup]

Eris' hair is lightly shaded so we know its definitely not black

[formal wagon]

Eris's hair is blue like buggys

[pulsar path]

We haven't seen her hair color and if its grey or white purple hair change from black to grey all the time

[formal wagon]

and unkos

curious

[tough igloo]

we know it’s not Teach color at the very least

[pulsar path]

Hair can go grey

[ashen perch]

Oh yea and Film Red's director saying that Shanks is as important to the series as Luffy, a guy who has known how the entire story plays out and ends for 25 years. Its all there, invest in it, Shanks is the child of destiny because he is the descendant of Red Haired Joyboy himself, the eye patch pirate.

[vestal heath]

Hey yall

[craggy vapor]

maybe her hair is black but got white due to stress?

[ornate tartan]

only 3 characters in the entire series get their hair colored and shaded, I wonder who they are😂

[ashen perch]

exactly, the hair is that important to Oda

[steel stirrup]

Hey Roman hru

[steel stirrup]

Marie Antoinette syndrome eh

She seemed a little to calm for that

[craggy vapor]

well you don’t know what she went through

[tough igloo]

at this point the only 3 options i can see happening is Shanks is related to Joyboy , Luffy is related to Joyboy or Buggy is related to Joyboy (Koby is my wildcard lol)

[steel stirrup]

The whole point of that is to be so stressed that your hair changes color overnight whereas Eris is definitely stressed but to be that stressed out and to still make the smart decisions she made would be a crazy mental feat

[ashen perch]

This is Joyboy

[steel stirrup]

Plus idk if Oda is gonna go with the Marie Antoinette syndrome route

[steel stirrup]

LMAOOOOOOO

[grand flower]

That’s Figarland Binks

[steel stirrup]

Arsal

Bro

Stop it

[tough igloo]

could be as simple as Teach has different hair color cause he’s special

[ashen perch]

it was not a joke

[tough igloo]

his body is different from everybody else

[steel stirrup]

I know it wasn't a joke

Thats why im begging you

Stop it

[urban lodge]

Shanks being related to Joyboy is genuinely cool

[vestal heath]

Currently raking the leaves outside in my backyard wbu

[urban lodge]

He's a failed chosen one, it's fine

[ashen perch]

no, Figarlands do not have that red hair, it comes from Sham/Shanks's mother, it can't be a Figarland

[pulsar path]

Usopp is the only chosen and Buggy

[steel stirrup]

Bouta smoke

[ashen perch]

Buggy is not the chosen one, Blackbeard is

[vestal heath]

I see

[craggy vapor]

humans react differently to stress. Maybe she was even a slave prior to meeting Rocks.

[vestal heath]

Well I just stppped by to say hi so ima go back to raking leaves cya

[tough igloo]

most likely based on Oda - Luffy is joyboy descendant

most cool - Shanks is joyboy descendant

craziest - Buggy or Koby is joyboy descendant lol

[pulsar path]

Davey D. Binks the eypatch man

[digital spear]

thats why there was a dog shown in Lulusia when Imu destroyed it. Imu wants to be like Mother Nature himself but hes a fraud because humans and animals will go against him

[steel stirrup]

I think Eris is the one who came up with the "plan" tbh but I can't prove it yet

[grand flower]

Fuck YEE

[pulsar path]

We know she was a pirate before hand

Doesn't mean she wasn't a slave but

Very unlikely she got freed

[craggy vapor]

we still know too little about Eris

[ashen perch]

So basically, I think Shanks is the descendant of Joyboy as well, just as BB is the descendant of Davy. As Oda's philosophy with these things often dictates, the true bearers of the father/ancestor's will are not going to be the descendants. The child of destiny Shanks won't fulfill Joyboy's will, Luffy will. Teach won't fulfill Davy's will, Buggy will. This actually works better if Buggy has no familial connection with Rocks. This will also play into the Shuggy dynamic but I'm not fully sure how.

As I said before.

[pulsar path]

But than why are shanks and shamrock important to the significance and understanding of one-piece

[ashen perch]

Joyboy's descendants??

is that not significant enough?

[pulsar path]

That really doesn't say anything

Or mean anything

[tough igloo]

i do think Teach will fulfill Davy promise .. but Buggy will always be Buggy lol he’ll always find a way to be iincluded in the story

[formal wagon]

Not really

[tough igloo]

i do expect buggy to at least touch the throne at least once

[tidal viper]

When you think shanks might be a joyboy descendant do you mean from his mothers side of the family?

[pulsar path]

Yes

Yes!

[kind gorge]

i like nami

[ashen perch]

shhh otherseries

[pulsar path]

Dragon ball is one-piece canon tho but understandable

[steel stirrup]

We know she was a pirate

And we know that she k ew of Rocks plan and confirmed that when she apologized for making Rocks fight them before he was "ready" or when it was "too soon" (depending on translation)

We know that Blackbeard spent at least a few minutes at least with his mother before she may have died (she could still be alive)

Blackbeard is an archeologist like Robin

And Blackbeard has about the same amount if not more knowledge than his father did.

A 12 year old doesn't come up with a plan that BB had.

He confirmed that joining WB was a part of his plan to find that specific fruit

I think it was all her

[tidal viper]

Because I doubt the garling family would be related in any way to joyboy and imu would still allow them their seats as CD.

[tough igloo]

i think all 4 of these people will fulfill the tasks/promises of their ancestors/ones who came before them and Imu knows it

[graceful belfry]

And I like Robin

[ashen perch]

well if I were to make an assumption about what it means, it means that Shanks is the child of destiny because of it, that makes him the one destined to take down Imu, a destiny he wont be able to fulfill because now Luffy will.

[pulsar path]

Yet some how Garp punched the dude in the blob and he still hero of the Marines so idk

[urban lodge]

Oh yeah Arsal idk if I showed you my newest masterpiece: Buggy kills Blackbeard

He says this in the same chapter he says he's going to be an emperor and king of the pirates and the title of the chapter is "Destiny"

[steel stirrup]

Bro got a ting for blue hair

[prisma yacht]

That twin attack is what shanks and shamrock are going to use in the final war 🗣️

[pulsar path]

This just doesn't seem to be the connection oda was speaking about when talking about shamrock being introduced

[ashen perch]

ofc, I think theres a reason behind her being kept a mystery, behind her glorious red hair, the red hair that is the only hair that gets a special screentone used for it by Oda

[kind gorge]

respectable

[steel stirrup]

That is adorable, Penny

Baby's First Theory

So cute

[prisma yacht]

Lmfaoo

[pulsar path]

He will be the king of the world

[fossil nimbus]

Lili was probably his lover or something so he kidnaps children with blue hair (gunko) and keeps them in his flower room. Or something around those lines

[pulsar path]

I'm almost positive imu is a women

[urban lodge]

Rich tries not to be an ass for no reason challenge

[ashen perch]

he didnt say anything about what it meant, just that its important.

[steel stirrup]

Your giving him too much credit

[wide star]

yeah those 4 people that Imu is looking at here , will be the most important people of the final war & will all contribute to Imu’s downfall

[ashen perch]

cook

[steel stirrup]

You tryna kill Blackbeard i have a reason

[pulsar path]

He said that you can't understand the significance bof sham unless you know the onepiece

[ashen perch]

he didnt say that lol

[steel stirrup]

And worst of all you tryna say Buggy will do it

[ashen perch]

he just talked about the chapter

not necessarily Shamrock, theres more stuff in the chapter than Shamrock

[steel stirrup]

You damn right ima say some

[tough igloo]

yeah Imu knows these two goofballs are coming for him eventually in their own way carrying the will (and possibly blood ) of davy & joyboy and it’ll sadly be Imu undoing

[ornate tartan]

bruh oda can’t help himself🤣
hair shaded in greyscale

[tidal viper]

Tbf everyone's favourite media mogul spun a cover up story for the WG that needed garp as a hero.

[steel stirrup]

You put any other name i would've ignored ts

But you said Blackbeard dies to Buggy and you expect me to let it slide

[ornate tartan]

shit majestic

[prisma yacht]

Buggy is wall lvl Penny
He ain't killing no one

[steel stirrup]

You know damn well im not ignoring ts

[urban lodge]

Blackbeard is Bepo level

[steel stirrup]

😂

[frigid gulch]

[steel stirrup]

LMAOOO

[tough igloo]

lmao damn Law got a yonko level bear on his crew

[steel stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-anime-one-piece-animated-gifs-one-piece-one-piece-sulong-bepo-vs-the-blackbeard-pirates-one-piece-doc-q-and-stronger-gif-14849790826358418599

[pulsar path]

...because shamrock was introduced

[ashen perch]

crazy, Oda has talked about how he doesnt like to use screentone much before but for this family, he brings it out, cuts it up and applies it manually traditionally which is a massive pain in the ass. Thats how important that Red Hair is.

[steel stirrup]

LMAOOOO I just noticed bro tryna use Burgess as boost to get away lmaoooo hilarious

[icy wolf]

true rat

[graceful belfry]

His fat ass is always putting his fucking weight on his demonic crewmates

[steel stirrup]

All that just to die to Black hair is wild work

[graceful belfry]

Poor Stronger

[prisma yacht]

Still above wall lvl

[frigid gulch]

I think that was when Bepo swatted them

But it’s funnier to think otherwise

[urban lodge]

Buggy is city block level actually, and that was with the Buggy balls, imagine with the Muggy balls

[steel stirrup]

Bepo had to pop a perc and get sturdy but I won't mention that

[frigid gulch]

Anime played it up

[steel stirrup]

Buggy Balls as a feat measure is hilarious

[tough igloo]

getting rocked by Sulong Bepo > getting rocked by Atlas lol

[steel stirrup]

How quickly niggas forget

[ornate tartan]

Atlas is Nusjuro level

[prisma yacht]

Guuguugagaa my goat

[tough igloo]

lmao Luffy always gets excluded for some reason

[urban lodge]

Baby Shanks sidequest was fun

[graceful belfry]

This is honestly incredibly fair

[prisma yacht]

Lmaooo

[sweet anvil]

Even though I hate shanks

[steel stirrup]

Nah they always forget when Luffy does something but they be quick to jump on Blackbeards neck for the exact same thing

[sweet anvil]

I agree

[ashen perch]

Ofc it could be that, I am just saying thats an assumption, others have speculated that perhaps it is related to Hajrudin and his royal blood being considered tarnished because he had a mother from another nation, or his goal to unite all (giant)-kind, or Rodo's reference to humankind and their wars over land and natural resources, etc. It could be anything, it could be Oda just being dramatic and just forcing his editor to know how the series ends. I put more stock in the statement by Film Red's director Goro Taniguchi, who has known how the series plays out and ends for 25 years and he called Shanks as important as Luffy to One Piece.

[fervent fable]

I thought cp0 were going to be near admiral level cuz cp9 were tough enemies

[urban lodge]

I used to hate him but I'm slowly warming up to him

[ornate tartan]

w arsal

[tough igloo]

i remember the “guernica is admiral level “ theories during wano lmao

[steel stirrup]

I know the reason they hate but if I start that conversation I may get packed up

[sweet anvil]

I’ll always be anti shanks

[fervent fable]

One shot by kaido

[tough igloo]

lol don’t even do it to yourself

[strong wadi]

I’m pretty sure the only character I’ll always be “anti” is

[sweet anvil]

If I knew what you were going to say I would say it

[tough igloo]

😂 bro went from admiral level to weaker than lucci in one arc

[steel stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/melanin-skin-black-pointing-gif-17343376

[graceful belfry]

Don’t hate the player, hate the

[sweet anvil]

I see

[fervent fable]

Its actually kuina she lost her memories after falling off of stairs

[prisma yacht]

Who is Adam talking about? And why is it buggy

[sweet anvil]

wait

But people love rocks

[strong wadi]

That would mean I’m never allowed to hate any character of any series

[steel stirrup]

If he looked like Aizen he would have a the biggest fanbase

[digital spear]

Thats what im doing

[steel stirrup]

And they whitewashed him too

[sweet anvil]

I think it’s more the fact that he’s fat ngl

[steel stirrup]

That too

[sweet anvil]

If he was in shape he would get more love

[hasty sable]

Instead he looks like King K. Rool

[steel stirrup]

Who?

[graceful belfry]

It’s essentially the same thing, just with redirected criticism. I agree she’s a bad character with a stupidly ambitious goal

[sweet anvil]

If he had that rocks build people would fw him way more

[hasty sable]

Ohhh Trashigi

[steel stirrup]

Who in the blue hell is King K Rool

[tough igloo]

lmao trashigi is crazy

[sweet anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/kings-king-k-rool-big-belly-bum-all-belly-gif-14003839

[tough igloo]

creative though lol

[sweet anvil]

Lmao

[steel stirrup]

LMAOOO

😭

[hasty sable]

Tashigi could have been a very cool character but Oda doesn’t know what to do with her except bully her

[strong wadi]

[prisma yacht]

Bro lol didn't know there's a specific sticker for that

[tough igloo]

Oda gave her the dumbest dream ever that’s she’ll never accomplish

[sweet anvil]

Teach will get in shape

[hasty sable]

Her entire character is also arguably disrespectful to Zoro’s backstory and motivation

[steel stirrup]

Me either

[digital spear]

Thats what the emote is called

[steel stirrup]

Thats honestly wild

[sweet anvil]

Give him the koby training regiment

[hasty sable]

Tashigi is also a cop therefore indefensible

[prisma yacht]

There's always a bigger fish

[steel stirrup]

ACAB

[prisma yacht]

Smh I need to increase my hate levels

[tough igloo]

Oda : ooo a female marine .. let’s give her the dream of collecting every single graded blade 🙂

[hasty sable]

Oda really said ooh I know I’ll have her take care of kids and bake muffins

This mf…

[digital spear]

Taahigi is gonna be pregnant next

[tough igloo]

Tashigi dream harder than being king of the world and king of the pirates lol

[tranquil blade]

Don't speak it into existence

[ornate tartan]

you know the span of the current time in Elbaph to the end of the series is gonna be like 3 weeks to a month

[steel stirrup]

"While also simultaneously give her no fighting potential"

[urban lodge]

Poor Tashigi, she was doomed from the start

[hasty sable]

Relegated to Koby love interest a fate worse than death

[urban lodge]

Oda gave her an impossible dream

[steel stirrup]

At least let shawty get stronger and train she still taking care of them damn kids

[digital spear]

"I guess I just wanted to collect swords because theyre like my children ... I found my real purpose"

[hasty sable]

He wants you to forget about Tashigi now

[digital spear]

Hibari?

[tough igloo]

then was MIA during hachinosu even though she was on the ship lol

[tranquil blade]

https://tenor.com/view/solluminati-this-trash-cry-gif-27536757

[tough igloo]

Oda must hate Tashigi lol

[prisma yacht]

[hasty sable]

Oda in SBS explaining how Tashigi technically achieved her dream by staying in the kitchen

[steel stirrup]

Bro let her come to Hachinosu as moral support bruh

Oda forgot he gave shawty a whole dream

[tough igloo]

Bogard & Tashigi when Pizzaro hand was coming down on their ship :

like help fight back lmao

[willow pollen]

LMAOOOOOOOOOOO

[hasty sable]

She should have cut cannonballs that’s a feat I think

[steel stirrup]

Not even letting shawty train is wild work

She has been relegated to rearing children

[graceful belfry]

I’m sort of curious if her inability to accomplish her goal is going to be explored in any meaningful capacity

[hasty sable]

I don’t hate Tashigi I hate Oda

[tough igloo]

Helmeppo got more feats than Tashigi … that’s sad as hell Oda lol

[hasty sable]

Tashigi deserves better

[steel stirrup]

Oda had one daughter and forgot that he wrote women to be brave and strong

Those fatherly instincts kicked in

"No adventures for you"

She is

[prisma idol]

Doesn't he have 2

[steel stirrup]

Shawty got a one tap

[steel stirrup]

I mean from the moment he had the first one

[digital spear]

She is Yonko level but so is Odas misogynism

[prisma idol]

Ahhh

[haughty saddle]

She is extremely strong

[steel stirrup]

She one taps literally anyone who isn't blind or asexual

[haughty saddle]

She’s probably the second strongest out of all the old warlords, forgetting Blackbeard

Between Mihawk/Kuma

[ornate tartan]

she can still turn people to stone with kicks

[hasty sable]

Unless Mihawk is ace he’s cooked too

[ornate tartan]

like she did with the pacifista

[steel stirrup]

Nah BB is above her always

[tranquil blade]

Oda's starting to rival Kishimoto

[haughty saddle]

Hence why I said ignoring Blackbeard

[digital spear]

He did since FMI imo

[haughty saddle]

Because he was a warlord off screen for like, less than an arc

[tough igloo]

I thought at least after the timeskip , Tashigi would come back much stronger . then this was her first showing 🤦🏾‍♂️

[hasty sable]

Hancock can kill Kaido too bad it’s at that moment that haki immunity exists again

[tranquil blade]

It might be over

[steel stirrup]

Which means even if you are blind or somehow control your lust she can still one tap you

Overpowered

[prisma yacht]

Well it's almost the same with smoker

[muted hedge]

we saw Momonga prevent it by causing self-harm

so that's one way

[wide star]

lmao immediately getting one shot fresh out the timeskip is hilarious

[hasty sable]

Maybe it’s good Kuina died

[steel stirrup]

LMAOOOOOOOOO

Bruh

This is devastating

[haughty saddle]

Momonga is also a stoic type

But that’s all without her evening moving a muscle

[ashen perch]

she did come back much stronger

[muted hedge]

he would've been turned if he didn't stab his hand

[steel stirrup]

He mutilated himself

[ashen perch]

just not strong enough for Law

[haughty saddle]

Outside of her abilities she’s still insanely physically threatening

[steel stirrup]

[wide star]

lmao facts smoker post timeskip has been disappointing as well

[haughty saddle]

Correct, I am not disagreeing with you

I am adding to what you said

Both are factors to the situation

[steel stirrup]

Tashigi ran in and got one tapped and still had the nerve to look determined

[hasty sable]

What did Oda mean when he gave the strongest female marine a laundry devil fruit

[steel stirrup]

Wicked

Holy shit

Goddammit

Oda is not beating the allegations

[ornate tartan]

2 Predictions for 1167?

[prisma yacht]

Doffy is stronger

[ashen perch]

6,7....

[steel stirrup]

I wanna see the big bitch die

[haughty saddle]

As based as Oda can be, he still has the sensibilities of an older japanese man

Unfortunately

[graceful belfry]

This is true

[steel stirrup]

Damn shame

[ornate tartan]

bro chill😂

[ashen perch]

(also Tashigi's first post ts showing was her recreating a Mihawk skill feat but nobody reads so oh well)

[steel stirrup]

I absolutely will not

[haughty saddle]

No shot

[muted hedge]

checks out considering he is an old japanese man

[haughty saddle]

Yeah that’s why I said that. Yeah.

Yeah man

[steel stirrup]

The nigga begged for slavery

I will never let this go.

All of my ancestors are just as mad as me

[muted hedge]

he is desperate

his mind isn't in the right place

[steel stirrup]

Idgaf where his mind is

[haughty saddle]

Idk I’d put myself into slavery if it meant the entirety of my people could live free in the future

[steel stirrup]

This is some bullshit

[steel stirrup]

Thats the stupidest shit I've ever heard

[muted hedge]

it's not stupid

[haughty saddle]

Nah bro lmao

People have done much worse for much less

[stone terrace]

Its stupid if you think thatll work

If it was a guarantee?

Yeah

[haughty saddle]

Yeah

[stone terrace]

But thats a fairy tale

[muted hedge]

exchanging your own freedom for the sake of your nations freedom is noble by most means

[steel stirrup]

Be strong enough to fight for freedom

Not weak enough to settle for chains

[haughty saddle]

You’re completely missing the point of his character then

[stone terrace]

In fact if someone is willing to take you as a slave them being morally sound is indeed a contradiction

[haughty saddle]

Like not even on the board lol you hit the wall man

[muted hedge]

Haralds whole shtick is that he doesn't want to be attributed to a brute anymore

[steel stirrup]

Thats another ting

If you believe that promise I have some beach front property to sell you in landlocked Bosnia

[haughty saddle]

Not just himself, but his own identity certainly is a big part of it. His entire race. His entire people and culture. He’s trying to change the paradigm of his entire ancient peoples and the way they’re perceived and interact with the broader world.

[muted hedge]

yes

[stone terrace]

Harald has basically zero leverage

[haughty saddle]

Literally, throughout history, people have done much worse to themselves than subjection of slavery for the benefit of groups much smaller and much less impactful reasons than this

[ashen perch]

They have been strong enough, all its granted them is hatred in response to the violence that they have caused all over the planet. The communities they have left in ruin, towns they have torched, people they have terrorized. The giants HAVE been the most terrifying thing on the planet and Harald is going against that culture of war and brutality.

[stone terrace]

Youre not just gambling yourself, youre gambling your nation

[steel stirrup]

I cannot believe that Harald did this

The only thing harder to believe is the mfs who defend it

[haughty saddle]

If you’re just gonna say I can’t believe it over and over when mfs are trying to explain it then yeah I bet you can’t dawg

L Skibbidy Fraud Harald I guess man

[steel stirrup]

I understand you

But I do not agree

With you

"Before I'll be a slave I'll be buried in my grave"

[muted hedge]

along with your nation too?

[steel stirrup]

Here we go with this shit

You really think that this would save his nation

We know what Imu plans to do

[haughty saddle]

I don’t. He does.

[steel stirrup]

So that argument is trash

[haughty saddle]

We do. He doesn’t.

[muted hedge]

we know what Imu plans to do, but Harald didn't

[steel stirrup]

Rocks told him and he didnt listen

[trim lily]

why would he trust rocks at all

the man wants to be king of the world

[steel stirrup]

Because they were fucking best friends

[haughty saddle]

Rocks was trying to use him over and over again. They had a rough relationship, but a strong bond.

Friends like these types

[stone terrace]

The fault lies in elbaf needing saving

Elbaf wasnt facing any impending calamity

[haughty saddle]

Bro hung out at his place all the time begging him to hit the streets with him. Harald just wanted to smoke.

😭

[ashen perch]

Also why would it not work though? that safety net has been granted to hundreds of countries as part of the World Government, I believe from next chapter Elbaf will enjoy those same benefits. It is through his connections with other nations that he has been able to save his nation from all the disasters that nearly ruined the entire land of Elbaf after all, this is what he needs, not strength.

[steel stirrup]

use him

He asked him but if he wanted to simply use him he wouldn't have knocked Kaido down for suggesting that

[trim lily]

harald didn’t want elbaf to be an isolated island any longer

[muted hedge]

Harald wants the giants to associated with society

[haughty saddle]

And Harald said no and Rocks kept pestering him

[steel stirrup]

Rocks wanted his help but he would never FORCE Harald to help him

Imu absolutely will

[muted hedge]

he doesn't want to see his people being viewed like outcasts anymore, like Cam said

[steel stirrup]

Have you ever had a friend? That's what they do.

[haughty saddle]

allying with Rocks isn’t joining into a larger community. It’s becoming complicit with a terrorist lmao

[muted hedge]

nor does he want people to fear the giants for their sins in the past

[haughty saddle]

Again, just completely missing the point of Harald and his characterization

[steel stirrup]

You guys are assuming that his only options were Rocks or Slavery

[trim lily]

he wants a world in which giants can work with and walk alongside people

[steel stirrup]

Thats not the case

[ornate tartan]

plz forgive him

[muted hedge]

getting into the World Governments good side is really the only thing he can do to make sure that people would believe in the change

[stone terrace]

Thats really not true

Time heals all wounds

[trim lily]

well

[ashen perch]

well it wasnt

[trim lily]

not if the WG roadblocks you

[prisma yacht]

Are u saying there's no need for reforms until there's a very big threat

[muted hedge]

we saw a clear example where it didn't

[stone terrace]

Harald was being incredibly impatient for someone who will live half a milennium

[steel stirrup]

THAT PART

[trim lily]

i will say it was a bit weird how desperate he was

but i guess he knew he couldn’t really get much done without the WG’s approval

[stone terrace]

The reform already was happening

[prisma yacht]

😭

[steel stirrup]

To offer yourself into slavery is fucking wild and idk how you can defend it

[trim lily]

because he’s desperate

[steel stirrup]

Well I know how

But I dont see why you would want to defend such a ting

[muted hedge]

what's there to defend? it's his own decision to offer himself up for the sake of his people

[haughty saddle]

There is honor in self sacrifice. It’s like jumping in front of a bullet for someone.

[stone terrace]

Being? Harald was trying to befriend a country that declined his patronage. That is true. But after 500 years of no giant attacks then naturally theyll be less aversive

[ashen perch]

it is wild and it is all the more impactful for us to understand his resolve

[steel stirrup]

Did he ask his people what they think of the situation?

[stone terrace]

You have to remember harald is the first king to go this route

[haughty saddle]

Slavery is just a worse version of the jumping in front of the bullet thing

If you can’t imagine either, sure, I understand

Harald wanted the children of Elbaph, his own children, to be able to join together with the new generation of children across the world so that they could have community

[steel stirrup]

Jumping in front of a bullet ≠ offering yourself up for slavery

[trim lily]

the problem is can you put faith in the next generation pursuing the same goal he did

[muted hedge]

what's there to ask them, they'd obviously disagree with him but he took the path which he thought would lead Elbaph into a more secure future

[haughty saddle]

He could wait. But he didn’t want to. He WAS impatient. And we saw THIS FUCKING CHAPTER. Him beating a giants ass because he was ruining and sullying the reputation of giants. THIS CHAPTER.

[haughty saddle]

To you

[steel stirrup]

And we know in the end he was wrong

You're still defending him

[haughty saddle]

To you

[ornate tartan]

be patient

[haughty saddle]

Both are self inflicted suffering

[muted hedge]

what am i defending? his own decision

[trim lily]

harald wanted to make sure he could achieve it in his lifetime so his sons and the next gen could enter a world in which giants are accepted and can coexist with people outside of elbaf

[stone terrace]

Its a monarchy so you have the luxury of basically choosing your next successor. But naturally there is going to be risk involved with that yes. But i choose that over the alternative

[steel stirrup]

What are you defending

This decision? Or the resolve?

[muted hedge]

if Harald wants to give himself up in order to secure a brighter future, i don't see the point of not thinking it's noble even if it went to ruin

[steel stirrup]

I can understand defending his resolve and determination but defending this choice is wild

[trim lily]

it’s pretty easy to understand his motivation for it even if you disagree with it

[haughty saddle]

Yeah it’s a dumb choice Rich lmfao

[ashen perch]

like I said, it is supposed to be wild

[haughty saddle]

But he is desperate

And I can understand WHY he would

That’s BEEN the crux of all of this

[muted hedge]

what do you want him to do Rich

[tough igloo]

I just assumed harald is old enough by now (230 years old ) to know his plan was never gonna work and the CDs were just gonna. use the giants as a military force (like Rocks told him)

[haughty saddle]

So we don’t even disagree

[steel stirrup]

Not beg for chains

[muted hedge]

do you want him to lead a warfare until he is accepted, with tons of giants death on his hands

[stone terrace]

I want world peace too man but if a certain dude named benjamin was the one selling me it im RUNNING

[steel stirrup]

Anything but that

[haughty saddle]

Wait okay

So if he said you can kill me

Would you feel better???

[steel stirrup]

Yep

[muted hedge]

that would put all of Elbaph in a crisis, lol

[haughty saddle]

I just don’t think we’re gonna have a common ground here

[ashen perch]

tennyson???

[grand flower]

Yeah it’s noble becausw Harald is continuously making sacrifices for the sake of progress and peace

[trim lily]

unstoppable force vs immovable object

[steel stirrup]

Ask for some counseling or something damn it why you automatically beg for chains

[grand flower]

The takeaway should be how awful Imu is

Not to Harald

[muted hedge]

exactly

[sage temple]

coughing baby vs nuclear bomb

[grand flower]

Harald is doing all this and Imu is exploiting it

Just like he’s exploiting the WG itself

That’s the through line

[stone terrace]

Imu being awful is like saying the ocean is salty

[trim lily]

it’s kind of bizarre how many people have blamed harald for this and not imu

[rose rune]

is the coughing baby Loki?

[steel stirrup]

Why would I blame Imu they didn't make Harald say that crazy shit

[final trench]

Because people already know imu is evil

[ashen perch]

I like how Imu literally goes 👀 at Harald offering himself up for slavery

[urban lodge]

We love victim blaming

[muted hedge]

i don't think it matters what Harald does at this point, people are so upset that he didn't intervene in God Valley to save Xebec

[grand flower]

Imu refers to Harald as pliable, when it’s just being willing to sacrifice himself for peace

[sage temple]

Yes and he wins

[steel stirrup]

That's just cap

[tough igloo]

Imu heard slavery and got excited

[grand flower]

The people chastising Harald low-key think just like Imu does lol

[ashen perch]

lmao

[graceful belfry]

[rose rune]

I think he loses, but it would take a few years

[haughty saddle]

Nah bro you got a hang up

[graceful belfry]

He perked up real quick

[grand flower]

Imu sees it as a pathetic man prime for manipulation

[steel stirrup]

Where

[grand flower]

Harald is in truth a noble man desperate for peace and to help others

[steel stirrup]

Because I don't agree?

[haughty saddle]

In that Harald is a victim lmao

How is he not

[steel stirrup]

That any other option would be better than this

[grand flower]

Tjis is what people are criticizing Harald for being

[muted hedge]

why wouldn't you blame Imu when they're the puppet-master of why everything went to shit in the first place

[grand flower]

It’s just the way Imu sees him

[stone terrace]

You dont blame a hungry bear for mauling you

You simply dont go to their territory

[tough igloo]

i wasn’t on one piece social media back then but did Oden get slandered like Harald has been , when he was twerking in the streets of wano ? trusting Kaido & Orochi word

[steel stirrup]

Imu didnt force those AG to run around and pillage the world

You have to accept the damn past

[stone terrace]

Like imu is very obviously to blame but theres nothing you can do about it

[haughty saddle]

Yeah

[final trench]

Kaido and orochi seen them rumors spreading and showed all 32

[stone terrace]

Hes gonna be evil till hes deposed

[haughty saddle]

Slander culture wasn’t as big back then thankfully though

[final trench]

“Oden wasn’t enough for kaido” ight brah💔💔💔

[muted hedge]

Harald has accepted the past, he just wants to make up for it

[sage temple]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-gif-24533171

[steel stirrup]

Yes. Yes he did.

[haughty saddle]

That was a post JJK surge thing

[ashen perch]

people who also lacked reading comprehension, they have existed since forever.

[sage temple]

Profound words Icon

[prisma yacht]

Harald doesn't know about imu

[stone terrace]

Ok what about the 5 mini imus

[sage temple]

Lol

[stone terrace]

Theyre his will

[steel stirrup]

This is the equivalent of those white people who wear the fake chains and shirts that say "We're sorry for Slavery"

As a black man, that is NOT the way to move forward.

[tough igloo]

lol i can only imagine the slander that Squard would’ve gotten during marineford if social media was as popular back then as it is now

[final trench]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-true-kramer-seinfeld-gif-6564373007119861775

[prisma yacht]

How is he supposed to know that too?
He doesn't even know how rocks died and he already blames himself for it

[steel stirrup]

Or any black man who says "Slavery wasnt that bad"

This is NOT how you move forward.

This is a step backwards if anything

[sage temple]

What does that have to do with Harald

[frail kindle]

This is a wild first message to see in here

[muted hedge]

could we please just keep it to what we were discussing

[steel stirrup]

You're a big boy you can read

Scroll up

[grand flower]

There was slander it was just as dumb then too

Cause Kaido and Orochi WERE releasing slaves

[sage temple]

One Piece fans when faced with answering a question

[grand flower]

They were releasing them in batches iirc

Every time oden danced they freed more slaves as a cover for the army they were assembling

[steel stirrup]

If you cannot see how this is similar idk what else to tell you bro

[grand flower]

Iirc

[ashen perch]

yea, every dance freed a batch

[urban lodge]

If piratefolk hates you chances are you're a great character

[final trench]

🧢

[ashen perch]

and if piratefolk loves you.....................

[final trench]

I sense a sneak on the way

[urban lodge]

Exactly

[steel stirrup]

So he offers himself up to slavery and gives away his nation

And then goes back home and turns his nation into a bunch if iPad kids who abhor fighting

Here is where the fence sits

[final trench]

Lets kill that rq plz n thank you

[tough igloo]

your just a aura farmer lol

[grand flower]

Dawg you’re talking like not raising a nation of war hawks is a bad thing

[muted hedge]

yes, since his whole goal was to get the giants into society and not looked down upon as warmongering brutes who couldn't do any good but raid villages and terrify humans

[steel stirrup]

Who gives a damn about reddit

[ashen perch]

you dont have to defend that place its below anyone here (except for maybe Sb)

[grand flower]

Yeah exactly

[steel stirrup]

Its a bad ting now

Whole nation got held up by three people

[stone terrace]

Idrc about elbaf going woke the error is entirely kowtowing to the government

[prisma yacht]

The context for why harald said that is different tho

[steel stirrup]

Lmaoooo

[final trench]

Nah im not defending pirate folk i just sensed a quick sneak that was being set up

[ashen perch]

ah

[grand flower]

The way they did it wouldn’t have been changed if they were still war hawks csuse they did it via stealth and subterfuge

[tough igloo]

i wonder who will be king of elbaf by the end of this arc .. Hajrudin feels like the easy answer but harald keep saying he wants them to lead together but i also can’t see Loki being a King of a country lol

[steel stirrup]

A nation of observation haki users would be a good counter to allat

[grand flower]

War mongering Elbaph would still be going thru tjis

[prisma yacht]

Both the brothers

[grand flower]

They were hiding from Gaban’s Haki

[muted hedge]

both could be kings of Elbaph while Hajrudin is the king of giants

[prisma yacht]

[final trench]

Hajrudin was seen as the bastard and lesser fellow so it will be him

[steel stirrup]

Ijs if the other Giants were still war ready it wouldn't have been this fucking easy

The best fighter they had was Saul bro

[muted hedge]

mainly cause his whole dream revolves around being king of the giants

[sage temple]

Gaban is Sub-Loki level

[steel stirrup]

LMAOOOOO

[ashen perch]

whatever that means

[final trench]

Oh no bro

[urban lodge]

Man

[sage temple]

He admits that himself as well

But no just laugh and ignore the truth to make yourself feel better

[steel stirrup]

😭

[sage temple]

Word2

[final trench]

You just cant help yourself

[sage temple]

I'm sorry for saying the truth

He admits that even he can't stop Loki

[icy wolf]

did anyone predict saturn dying on egghead

[steel stirrup]

What color do you want the nails you need to put yourself on that cross?

[icy wolf]

i just saw a morj vid recommended to me and he predicted it

thats kinda crazy

[urban lodge]

A lot of people

[icy wolf]

i wasnt there when egghead was coming out but i would have never guessed it

[sage temple]

Hmm I wonder who else got put on a cross for telling the truth

[steel stirrup]

He character ran its course so it was kinda natural to assume

[icy wolf]

why

[sage temple]

Hooligan

[icy wolf]

to me it came out of nowhere

[steel stirrup]

😭😭

[urban lodge]

Because he fucked up and Imu is very impulsive

[steel stirrup]

Bro digging this hole deeper and deeper

[final trench]

Because saturn is dumb

[dense rapids]

Maintain the agenda

[ashen perch]

for me, it was the fact that he was the main antagonist of the arc and it was hard to picture him making a return in a significant role again after that

[steel stirrup]

No shade but if you payed attention it was clear as day

[urban lodge]

Some people even predicted gorosei Garling

[final trench]

Bro made bonney a demi god

Kept a void century giant that he was specifically told to destroy

Let kuma live

He’s just slow

[ashen perch]

I was expecting Kuma to kill him personally, that was disappointing but I guess he still died

[prisma yacht]

Wall level buggy agenda transcends all

[steel stirrup]

Only reason they got away is because of Emeth and he would not have been there if not for Saturn

[urban lodge]

Pain nuke...

[ashen perch]

peak nuke, Oda wasnt prepared for it

[muted hedge]

i expected more from Kuma's punch

[steel stirrup]

Plus Saturn's "experiments" just secured us a 2nd Nika

He was definitely gonna die

[ashen perch]

we will get it someday... he is keeping his pain bubble for Imu or something idk

[final trench]

I didnt think he would die but im like bro just turn this nigga into a janitor or something

[sage temple]

You're a big boy you can read, go to chapter 1139 and come back to me

[steel stirrup]

[final trench]

Only bonney can propel it

[sage temple]

Gaban has been on that island for 20 years btw

[steel stirrup]

LMAOOOO

[urban lodge]

Socrates is so funny

[muted hedge]

is his fruit even awakened?

[ashen perch]

not as far as we know

[steel stirrup]

I don't think bro said he even attempted but okay

[leaden rivet]

Even that’s more than we got from Garp

[urban lodge]

Unprecedented levels of stanning

[sage temple]

We can already assume he attempted. Why would he not attempt to stop a direct threat to Elbaph

[steel stirrup]

Bro i love Loki im on your side thats why I need you to chill

[sage temple]

A threat to his children and wife

But he lets it go?

[hasty sable]

He was lucky Eustass Kid wasn’t around

[steel stirrup]

He not stopping

[sage temple]

Why would he do that

[final trench]

https://tenor.com/view/the-boys-home-lander-nao-no-gif-12606514540494555875

You’re gettin too greedy pal

It be ashamed…

[hasty sable]

Who is the strongest character Loki could beat

[final trench]

If something happened

[sage temple]

Op fans when it comes to just denying whatever you say without anything to support it

[hasty sable]

(Don’t say Harald)

[steel stirrup]

👀

[sage temple]

Domi Harald?

[steel stirrup]

😭

[hasty sable]

Not Harald

[steel stirrup]

Hilarious

[ashen perch]

Its fine Socrates, Loki IS stronger than washed up half as good rusty brittle bones barely functioning 90 year old Scopper Gaban, youre allowed to believe this

[sage temple]

He already did

[hasty sable]

Someone else

[steel stirrup]

😭

[sage temple]

He was on that island for 20 years

Loki was on the island since 14 years ago

[steel stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/digging-thank-you-gif-8141656698417804254

[hasty sable]

Loki can beat Gaban but not Rayleigh just to bully the Sanji fans more

[steel stirrup]

LMAOOO

[sage temple]

That means the earliest time Gaban could've encountered Loki would be when he was 20 years younger

[steel stirrup]

😭

[ashen perch]

Loki didnt really create a reason for anyone to stop him till 14 years ago, and I am pretty sure he is talking about on the seas anyways, where Gaban would not have encountered him

[sage temple]

What about 6 years ago?

[steel stirrup]

😭

[hasty sable]

Crazy we don’t have Ray or Gaban bounties

[muted hedge]

i wonder what made Shanks engage him anyways

[ashen perch]

84 year old Gaban 🔥

[hasty sable]

Wonder if that’s so Oda can be flexible with their power levels

[steel stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-hysterically-gif-23860185

[sage temple]

Gaban is 90?

[steel stirrup]

LMAOOOO

[hasty sable]

They’re at least in the two billion range and Ray has to be in the threes

[muted hedge]

i'd say they could be higher

just from being the wings of Roger

[sage temple]

We already know for a fact that Gaban is under 80

[final trench]

He atleast 70 sum

[ashen perch]

I know I dont seriously think he is 90 that was a joke

[steel stirrup]

Wiki says under 80

So he was in his 70s

[ashen perch]

he is probably 78, same as Rayleigh or maybe a year older

[steel stirrup]

When Loki was running wild

[wet condor]

Both over here

[ashen perch]

doesnt really make a difference though, still ancient

[steel stirrup]

He was in his 70s lmaooo

[sage temple]

Where do you get probably

[steel stirrup]

Wonder why he didnt try

[sage temple]

He was never said to be anywhere above 80

[steel stirrup]

Below 80

[sage temple]

Was that just bait?

[hasty sable]

Harald kneeling at Marine HQ while Imu stares at him is not meant to be something you cheer for

[ashen perch]

socrates I said probably 78

[hasty sable]

Making himself a slave and symbolically doing the same to Elbaf

[steel stirrup]

Bro was at the most 70 when Loki was running around

So yea Loki was probably above him in strength

[wet condor]

I think you are suppose to applaud his commitment in some capacity

[hasty sable]

Harald is in sunk cost because he scared his best friend to his misguided dream and now has to see it through to the end

[steel stirrup]

Nah

[wet condor]

But yeah, you know it's not going to end well

[hasty sable]

I don’t think you are meant to applaud him at all

He is being objectively stupid

[wet condor]

I'm talking about that's probably Oda's intent

[steel stirrup]

Thank you

[hasty sable]

And we know for a fact this is exactly what Imu wants

[sage temple]

Then what is funny about me saying Loki is stronger than Gaban

[steel stirrup]

Because hes fucking 70

[stone terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/karceno-karceno-davis-karceno-gif-i-cant-praise-that-cant-side-with-that-gif-gif-14863389222440937922

[wet condor]

Why are we debating whether Loki is stronger than Gaban

[steel stirrup]

LMAOOOO

[hasty sable]

I think you can admire that his heart is in the right place but he’s also not rational at all here

[ornate tartan]

we should try to understand Imu don’t u think

[hasty sable]

He’s doing this because of his guilt for letting rocks die

[sage temple]

Nobody said he wasn't 70

[stone terrace]

NO

not yet anyway, its way too early

[steel stirrup]

He's in his 70's bruh he better be stronger

Tf

[sage temple]

Loki is objectively stronger than Gaban off of this panel

[steel stirrup]

Okay

[sage temple]

Just because Gaban is 70 that doesn't mean everyone beats him

[wet condor]

This more or less me

[steel stirrup]

Bro

He is 70 years old

What are you fighting for

[wet condor]

Guys like Harald I view as naive but they good-natured

[steel stirrup]

That Loki is stronger than a 70 year old man?

Clearly

[ashen perch]

I feel like

[stone terrace]

People with power being naive is very dangerous

[sage temple]

Because you were initially trying to refute me saying Loki is stronger than Gaban

[stone terrace]

This is a recurring theme

Last arc it was vegapunk

[hasty sable]

Oda has a panel of Imu looking at the scene after Harald rips his horns off and makes himself a slave. Oda is communicating very clearly that Harald is wrong.

[sage temple]

Yet you couldn't give any evidence so you just spammed emojis

😩

[steel stirrup]

Nah I didn't deny that he was stronger than Gaban I told you to chill with the dickriding

[wet condor]

It wouldn't be as bad if he wasn't a king either, yeah

[sage temple]

It isn't dickriding if I'm saying the truth

[steel stirrup]

All I said was chill

[urban lodge]

Oda is communicating that he's being taken advantage of

[steel stirrup]

I didnt disagree I just said calm down

You scaring the hoes

[wet condor]

I'll go on to say that Loki is stronger than Prime Gaban

That controversial?

[steel stirrup]

Oh wow now that's a statement

[wet condor]

Prime Gaban can give Loki a good fight tho

[ashen perch]

Loki killed Harald, and just escaped towards the seas immediately, and then he was unstoppable on the seas till Shanks stopped him, and then he tried to escape from his punishment but the warriors of Elbaf stopped him, this is really the only point where he could have fought Loki so I wouldnt use that argument anyways

[hasty sable]

It is not like he wasn’t warned about this lol

[sage temple]

Use what argument

[ashen perch]

that panel I mean

[pine ridge]

I could see loki being around that level

[wraith mantle]

harald...

[stone terrace]

If gaban and rayleigh could beat loki i have serious questions about how the roger pirates had any opposition

[ashen perch]

"prior to this no one stopped him" just refers to his rampage on the seas, because he was stopped from escaping in Elbaf by the warriors of Elbaf

[wraith mantle]

we have got harald and garp in the same flashback

[sage temple]

Yeah nobody could stop Loki until Shanks, why would Gaban exclude himself

[ashen perch]

because he is talking about the seas

[sage temple]

Unless he specifically said pirate maybe

[pine ridge]

they were goofing around most of the time

[ashen perch]

no Marine stopped Loki, no current Pirate stopped Loki, Gaban doesnt really have a place in this equation

[ashen perch]

prime Rayleigh could have supposedly stopped BB so why is Loki out of question for his equal and himself

[sage temple]

If Loki is a threat to Elbaph, and Gaban protects Elbaph at any chance he gets, then they probably would've encountered

[ornate tartan]

most likely can’t

[sage temple]

Gaban likely wanted to test Luffy before giving him the key because he knew he couldn't restrain Loki himself

[stone terrace]

Blackbeard -50% effectiveness against fruitless people

[ashen perch]

I think they had an encounter when Loki tried to escape his punishment, but not before it

[wet condor]

We stretching it a lil' bit Arsal

Rayleigh doesn't confirm that he could've beaten Blackbeard in his prime

[leaden rivet]

There should be serious questions regardless

[wet condor]

He just says "as I am now, there's no way"

[leaden rivet]

It makes no sense that the roger pirates weren’t trouncing everyone except the rocks pirates lol

[sage temple]

Oh ok yeah Gaban wasn't at sea anyways

[wet condor]

And maybe Rayleigh could because like Icon was saying, Hakimen aren't something we haven't seen Blackbeard face

[steel stirrup]

There we go

[ashen perch]

BB has famously scarred a haki god, I think this isnt gonna matter for him

[sage temple]

You said I was digging myself a hole when I said Gaban is weaker than Loki

[leaden rivet]

Shanks was but a wee lad

[steel stirrup]

Rare Arsal W take

[leaden rivet]

Hardly the shanks he is now

[wet condor]

True

[hasty sable]

Blackbeard is not the BB he was then either

[steel stirrup]

When you say a 70 year old human is weaker than the Ancient Giant in his prime yes you are digging a hole bro

[sage temple]

Shanks has plenty of scars

[leaden rivet]

Yes, they both aren’t , so it can’t be logically used in this situation

[sage temple]

No I'm not because I'm not wrong

And Loki is not in his prime at all

[steel stirrup]

None of them still sting

[sage temple]

He has a century until then

[ashen perch]

he implies it, he says "at my age now, I couldnt have possibly won in a head to head fight"

[sage temple]

Why are you lying

[hasty sable]

I do think Shanks would embarrass Teach if they did fight tbh

[wet condor]

It leaves the question open, yeah

[hasty sable]

Oda will never have Shanks lose

[steel stirrup]

About the scars?

[ashen perch]

his emphasis on his current age implies that at a certain age, he could have won

[sage temple]

About Loki being in his prime

[stone terrace]

I mean regardless of the past blackbeard objectively loses a huge advantage of one of his devil fruits against people who dont rely of them

[wet condor]

He's namely just saying "with my old ass there's no way in hell"

[ashen perch]

youre making this up

[steel stirrup]

What evidence do you have that he is not

[urban lodge]

I wonder if Shanks will make Teach beg for his life like Whitebeard

[prisma idol]

1059 for the Rayleigh thing

[wet condor]

Shanks said that didn't he?

[steel stirrup]

Other than him being young

[wet condor]

"I have plenty of scars"

Even though we don't see any

[ashen perch]

oh eh

[sage temple]

And the only reason Shanks' scar stung was because of how Blackbeard was such a threat to Whitebeard

[hasty sable]

Shanks is the ideal peacemain and Teach is the ideal morganeer

[leaden rivet]

Well to be fair

[ashen perch]

you got me I guess, he did say it

[leaden rivet]

That isn’t him saying that he could win in his prime, just that he’d certainly lose in his old age

IMO

[steel stirrup]

And a "prime" could last a long time so he could be in his prime now and it could last for 100 more years

So again what evidence do you have to suggest this isn't his prime

[sage temple]

What evidence do you have that he is

[ashen perch]

maybe he meant like, paper cuts

[stone terrace]

Oh dear

[wet condor]

That's how I'm interpreting it

[steel stirrup]

The burden of proof is on you sir

[ashen perch]

no I am kidding, we have just never seen his other scars

I gotta take a look at the translation I guess, maybe he just said wounds too

[frigid gulch]

Oda drew some of them back in chapter 1

But he likely doesn’t draw them

[ashen perch]

regardless, thats the most important scar so point still stands

[steel stirrup]

Idk if this is his prime or isn't

I haven't seen the nigga throw a punch yet

[hasty sable]

Powerscalers who drinks more Kaido or Nami

[steel stirrup]

Nami no diff

[ashen perch]

Nami

[frigid gulch]

Oda draws the most obvious scars

[muted hedge]

Jinbe

[frigid gulch]

The other ones it’s whatever

[prisma idol]

Nami is planetary

[stone terrace]

Kaidos piss is 80 proof

[steel stirrup]

With drinking nah Nami is outerversal

[prisma idol]

Trueee

[steel stirrup]

She goes beyond

[sage temple]

SBS

[prisma idol]

But I do see Loki being around under Kaido and Big Mom, most of his buffs come from his size and the unknown fruit ability

[steel stirrup]

I doubt this is his prime but we have no evidence to prove or disprove this bro hasnt done shit yet

[wraith mantle]

the Wire vs One Piece

whats better

[hasty sable]

The Barksdale Pirates

[prisma yacht]

Bro Khalid

[ornate tartan]

cmon man😂

[prisma idol]

Roughly around Luffy's level of strength

[trim lily]

wire from the kid pirates vs one piece

[prisma yacht]

Like I get ur enjoying wire 😭

[steel stirrup]

Bro tryna get me os'ed

[sage temple]

Oda says giants hit their primes around 150

[urban lodge]

Heat solos

[sage temple]

Where's your proof against that

[steel stirrup]

What did he say about Ancient Giants

[sage temple]

Finally

[prisma idol]

Then again until we know Loki's fruit, all of Loki's abilities shown are easily countered by luffy

[somber flare]

Kinda thinking now that Reversei Loki will be the primary threat for Luffy to fight this arc

[prisma idol]

Lightning and Blunt force

[sage temple]

Loki isn't an Ancient Giant

[trim lily]

oh yeah loki cant really do anything with his lightning lmao

[sage temple]

He just has Ancient Giant blood

[stone terrace]

Blunt force resistance doesnt really exist

Not to anyone worth fighting for luffy

[somber flare]

Blunt force won’t really matter with the haki thing

[steel stirrup]

Is that blood not enough to make him a special case

[hasty sable]

Can’t believe Loki straight up got the Kaido backstory

[frigid gulch]

Remember when Hajrudin said Loki would zap Luffy

[prisma idol]

I mean Luffy does have some of our better haki feats in the series

[frigid gulch]

Does he know?

[prisma idol]

Not the best but some of the better ones

[sage temple]

All of Loki's abilities shown are barely what he has to offer

[ashen perch]

does not say that, just says that by 158, they are still in their primes

[hasty sable]

Literally EVERYTHING I thought Kaido would be is actually Loki

[sage temple]

He has an entire Legendary Devil Fruit

[trim lily]

supposedly

[steel stirrup]

Bro hasn't shown anything😭

He hit a tree once

[urban lodge]

Kid and Kaido in one character

[prisma idol]

And also we saw what weapons do to G5 luffy in vs Kaido, he plays them off even if they hurt him a bjt

[frigid gulch]

Loki is special bounty level

[hasty sable]

Yeah he’s a better Kaido and a better Kid

[stone terrace]

I dont wanna glaze loki cuz socrates does it enough for everyone

[sage temple]

Why would it make him a special case

[hasty sable]

Embarrassing

[sage temple]

Yeah and you're saying he's in his prime right now

[hasty sable]

Did Oda kill off kid so he could have Loki

[sage temple]

Oh still in their primes

[prisma idol]

1045

[sage temple]

[ashen perch]

Loki is mathematically speaking only 56% Kaido Level, I did the math the other day

[steel stirrup]

Because he has Ancient Giant blood and it definitely seems to be prominent given his height difference to other Giants

[urban lodge]

I wish Ishy lived long enough to witness Socrates, their duel would be legendary

[ashen perch]

its true, do not rank him higher than this

[sage temple]

Yeah physically sure

But do we know if it affects lifespan?

[prisma idol]

I have to find the kaido hp percentage image

[steel stirrup]

Im saying we dont know of this is or isn't so why compare him to a 70 year old Gaban?

[stone terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-gol-d-roger-whitebeard-whitebeard-vs-roger-gif-24000692

[leaden rivet]

Is 56% of Kaido yonko level

[wraith mantle]

Rocks Piece > the Wire

[sage temple]

Because he's clearly stronger than 70 year old Gaban

[somber flare]

Nah

[wraith mantle]

but mid piece? yeah that shit washed

[ashen perch]

no

[leaden rivet]

So Loki isn’t yonko level to you?

[stone terrace]

I think loki is at least admiral level

[steel stirrup]

We play chess not checkers Socrates.

Being older than a 70 year old man no matter who it is, isn't impressive.

Talk about how he showed Prime Kaido feats as a newborn and toddler

[trim lily]

it’d be a bit silly if he was

[somber flare]

Not yet

[sage temple]

Baby Loki is 100% Kaido level

[somber flare]

Domi reversi Loki is Yonko

[sage temple]

Meaning Loki is at least 150% Kaido level

[frigid gulch]

I’d say he’s probably like 80% of it

75%

[ashen perch]

that feat is not even Kaido level

[trim lily]

it feels bad to say loki could take on an admiral

i don’t want to think about that

[prisma idol]

I put loki around kidd to Luffy level

[ashen perch]

he fell from half the height of a sky island

[somber flare]

I would hope he is

[urban lodge]

Baby Loki is Kaido level and he actually got weaker since then

[ashen perch]

again, mathematically, only ~50% Kaido, thats Loki

[prisma idol]

Depression debuff

[trim lily]

he peaked at baby loki

[frigid gulch]

Loki could replicate it now I’m sure

[sage temple]

Based off of??

[wraith mantle]

if baby loki is prime kaido level.. shiit then rocks is joyboy level at least

[frigid gulch]

Harald jumped off the Red Line

Just casually

[sage temple]

Just because you see clouds above Elbaph means Loki fell from half the height?

[prisma idol]

Guys I dont think the OP world has fall damage

[sage temple]

You see clouds above every island no matter their size

[trim lily]

except for hajrudin

[frigid gulch]

It’s funny

[trim lily]

gravity hates him

[prisma idol]

He forgot to cut it off in his settings

[frigid gulch]

It kinda seems like their mode of transport

[pine ridge]

rain + random massive lightning bolt? reminds me of logue town. I think it's whoever had dragon's fruit before dragon

[ashen perch]

tbh its not fully clear but I am basing it off the idea that the heaven realm is a sky island so the sunrealm would be only halfway through that height

[frigid gulch]

Jumping off things

[steel stirrup]

Ballon Terminal is approximately 10,000 meters

Treasure Tree Adam's height isn't stated

[sage temple]

Omg that's hilarious time to spam crying emojis because I think this is funny

[sage temple]

Why would the Heaven realm be a sky island

[somber flare]

I think it’s just that big people can’t die from falling from a high place

[tranquil blade]

?

[somber flare]

It’s not that deep

[vale heath]

Luffy was thought to have taken fall damage in Syrup Village when he launched himself off that cliff and didn't immediately stand up

[steel stirrup]

The top of the tree reaches the Sky Islands correct

It is just the Sky Islands or Skypiea

[stone terrace]

Sending this to oda

[frigid gulch]

Nah Hajrudin and them said theyd take significant damage

Even just from what child Loki did

[sage temple]

That's just headcanon though

[ashen perch]

Heaven is like the skies yknow, the heavens it is often referred to as, and I think Loki is connected to it and Ragnir is some kind of sky island technology that we're gonna find out about

[steel stirrup]

There's the White Sea and then the White White Sea

Not headcanon

[sage temple]

Sun is also like the skies yknow, if not even beyond the skies

[steel stirrup]

There really are levels to this shit

[sage temple]

You still don't know how tall Elbaph is so where do you get that idea

[ashen perch]

thats not the same thing lol

[trim lily]

the heaven realm is the top of the tree so it’s pretty safe to say it’s at the clouds

[ashen perch]

anyways, the math, lemme post it

[steel stirrup]

White Sea is 7000 meters

White White Sea is 10,000 meters

Where does the Treasure Tree go to

If it goes to the White White Sea

[sage temple]

Yeah ik lol but you still cant say how far Loki fell from until the actual height of the tree is revealed

[ashen perch]

56.39% precisely, this is how Loki compares to Kaido

[steel stirrup]

And he fell down from the Middle World

[stone terrace]

Goda...

[sage temple]

Bountyscaling different type of bounties

[ashen perch]

oh come on

[sage temple]

That's like dividing 2x with 2y

[steel stirrup]

😭

[sage temple]

They're in different categories

[ashen perch]

its gonna be the same type of bounty, its just special because he is no longer a pirate

[frozen aspen]

saw someone ask what dragon did for 17 before founding the revs on twt this fandom fr can't read 💔

[sage temple]

Yeah nice headcanon

[prisma idol]

Hmmmm

[thick mango]

I don't think the special bounty thing is the difference maker but even if they are of the same type bounty scaling is dumb

[ashen perch]

why wouldnt he have the same type of bounty as regular pirates when he spent years pirating around

[frozen aspen]

wouldn't that make dragons biunty special bc he isn't a pirate either

[sage temple]

Because he's not like regular pirates

[frozen aspen]

and sabos

[sage temple]

Where are their special bounties

[ashen perch]

why isnt he like regular pirates

[pine ridge]

special bounty means you probably have to divide it by 2 to get the regular bounty equivalent

[steel stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/hell-no-oh-no-hu-what-popcorn-gif-12325900934325026511

[sage temple]

Weird way to say multiply but ok

[thick mango]

It could very well mean it's less important true

[ashen perch]

yeah I am not saying theres a secret type of bounty for special people, its the same type of bounty

[vale heath]

I have a special bounty of 1

[sage temple]

Well ask the world government, they distinguished his bounty from everyone else's

[vale heath]

It's special in that I'm the least wanted criminal

[prisma idol]

Wonder what actually qualifies the difference between a special bounty and a regular one

[sage temple]

You literally can't bountyscale if he has a different type of bounty

[steel stirrup]

Good question

[sage temple]

And you have no idea what special means here